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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios, How Stuff Works. Hello, and Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy d Wilson. Yeah, it's the end of the week,

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Speaker 1: which probably means I'm on a plane. That seems to

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Speaker 1: be works lately. Oh, I'm it's today's Friday. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm on a plane. I have been on a

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Speaker 1: plane recently, but uh not today. So say flight Holly,

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Speaker 1: if that's where you are right now? Who yeah, you

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Speaker 1: never know. Um. We kicked off our week on the

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Speaker 1: show this week talking about the Equal Rights Amendment. We

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Speaker 1: sure did so. I first learned some about the Equal

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Speaker 1: Rights Amendment way back in college and so at this point,

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Speaker 1: this was in like four or five or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I think this class that was called a Volution, Revolution

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Speaker 1: and Social Change, and it was a class that was

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Speaker 1: about social movements through specifically the women's rights movement, civil

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Speaker 1: rights movement, and gay rights movements in the United States.

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Speaker 1: And so one of the things that we talked about

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Speaker 1: was the anti Equal Rights Amendment backlash. And our professor

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Speaker 1: told us about women from Stop E r A going

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Speaker 1: to the state legislatures and the places where they lived

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Speaker 1: with these baskets of like homemade bread and saying from

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Speaker 1: the bread maker to the bread winner, and I'm still

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Speaker 1: mad about that was thirty years ago almost. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean when we were talking about it in the context

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Speaker 1: of the show, I stopped afterwards from my a side,

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Speaker 1: which is a little ranty, but like, um, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: As I was working on this, we had just recorded

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Speaker 1: the episode on George sand Uh and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about when we were talking about her

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Speaker 1: person that just like made sure that she had everything

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Speaker 1: she needed. I was like, what if we had t

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Speaker 1: shirts that said from the bread maker to the breadwinner?

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Speaker 1: But they depicted that scenario, and then I was like,

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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna visually know what that is, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: think that anybody that wears that shirt, like, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to get the joke right. It's it's a little

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Speaker 1: tricky to convey visually. Yeah. It was sort of also

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Speaker 1: an interesting um thing in my head as we were

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Speaker 1: discussing this long drag out of the Eagle Rights Amendment.

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Speaker 1: It's a good reminder having just come off the George

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Speaker 1: Son episode that you know. France also, for example, had

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Speaker 1: their weird law on the books that women couldn't wear

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Speaker 1: pants until less than a decade ago. So like, we

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Speaker 1: are not the only country who has struggled with this

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Speaker 1: legislation around sex and the quality. Yeah. As I was

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Speaker 1: doing the research for this, I was trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out exactly what happened in because everything says the same

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Speaker 1: thing that it was introduced in Congress in UM and

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Speaker 1: then it just sort of stops, like there's there's no

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Speaker 1: further conversation, like what happened next. So what I was

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Speaker 1: what we're people talking about after this was introduced in Congress.

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Speaker 1: And one of the results I got was a New

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Speaker 1: York Times article that was about a very similar amendment

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Speaker 1: time and had a similar discussion about UM people wanting

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Speaker 1: to add in exemptions related to women being drafted for

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Speaker 1: did not have time to look further further into that um.

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Speaker 1: One of the arguments about like, there are arguments that

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Speaker 1: it did not seem totally relevant. There are various arguments

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Speaker 1: this now because we have other legislation, um that is

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Speaker 1: One of the points that was made was that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people think that that the Constitution already says

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Speaker 1: counter argument was, like a lot of other nations that

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Speaker 1: the other stuff, Like it seems like such a huge

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Speaker 1: time suck when they're certainly other things also to be discussed, right,

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Speaker 1: But I understand that there have been passionate voices creating

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Speaker 1: talking about, but I have forgotten, uh, just how overwhelming

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Speaker 1: and just how quickly the ratification process was going. And

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Speaker 1: then like it got to that point of five states

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Speaker 1: a whole Monty Python moment of three verses five just then,

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Speaker 1: was responsible for the stopping. But anyway, I also thought

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Speaker 1: it was important to note that like Philish lastly didn't

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Speaker 1: do it all by herself. There were other people in

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Speaker 1: part of it. Uh, that part is, Uh, it's hard

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Speaker 1: it's tricky because as again, to me, it seems so

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Speaker 1: is infuriating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anchor. So our second episode

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Speaker 1: this week was about Paul Cuffey, which was actually researched

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Speaker 1: And then also because we do so many episodes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to the next week. So like Paul Cuffey was simultaneously

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Speaker 1: is that because of the indigenous involvement in the whaling

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Speaker 1: And I guess surprise isn't isn't quite the right word. Um.

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Speaker 1: But having learned about more about Paul Coffee and and

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Speaker 1: very contentious issue front, especially involving commercial whaling and animal

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Speaker 1: New Bedford Whaling Museum. I didn't really know what to

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Speaker 1: very sidled about paw coffee UM. And there is a

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