WEBVTT - Timbs for My Hooligans in Broo-Klan (with Nate Marshall) 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:09.320 Who amongst us, like didn't love Little Wayne mixtapes. I 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.319 think no Ceilings was just a metaphor for like, yeah, 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:23.120 I think billionaire should exists. Just no ceilings on corporate rs. Yeah, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:29.400 no cap on the taxt no cap on the corporate text. Yeah, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.040 he's making music for for Republicans and we are goofy 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.760 ascids are being like, man, I really connect with him. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.120 He gets me from the streets like, no, it's bit rich. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:01:02.400 You don't give a shit about your racists, money, interning stuff. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:10.440 You can't tell me. Yeah, there it is. There it is. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:15.120 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another spectacular episode of My 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.520 Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.600 into the world of black conspiracy theories and we finally 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.360 work to prove that a Marie Stoudemeyer is the only 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:31.039 person who can truly bring it into the Israeli Palestinian conflict. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.400 The man is going to fix everything for us. That 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.160 giant Jew, that giant black Jew, is going to solve 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.320 the problem. Fuck Jared Kushner. I don't put my faith 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.360 in Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner kent't. Jared Kushner can't dunk 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.280 on a nigga, a Marie Stoudemeyer. Now that's the motherfucker 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.920 that can dunk on on racism, on oppression, on the 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.600 things that separate us as people. I am your host, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.160 Lanks and Kerman, as always, I'm I'm happy to be here. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.200 I'm excited. My guests today, Oh man, I guess today 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.040 is somebody I've known since I was a young person, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.760 a high schooler, and we grew up doing poetry together. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.240 We competed in poetry in Chicago. And now he's going 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.399 on to become a very successful poet. And I am 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.360 an idiot who claims that a Mari Stademeyer is gonna 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.760 solve big issues out in the world. He's he's hilarious, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.320 he's smart, he's brilliant. You know his work. He wrote 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.080 a book called Wild Hundreds. That's amazing. He's got a 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.640 new book this year called Finna. He's amazing. You're gonna 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.680 love him. Giving up for my guests, Nate Marshall, everybody, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.560 Oh what's up? What's up? I feel like I feel 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.480 like you ran out of funny niggas. So I'm very 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:52.560 happy to know I did not run out of funny niggas. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.840 But I did feel like, all right, I've been talking 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.360 to a lot of funny people, but most of them 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.680 are idiots. It would be nice to talk to somebody 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.040 who maybe has some perspective out in the world. And 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.840 also it was very funny. Oh dear God, this is 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:12.480 this could be rough every day. You're an author, man, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.320 you got you. You gotta know something more than I do. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.840 You've certainly read your own book, which is more books 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.600 than I've read total. This is a lot, yo, y'all 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:27.880 don't notice this motherfucker has a master's in poetry. Yeah, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.160 and you know that that's the scam as well as 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:35.080 I do. But we're all celebrating. I'm very excited that 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.400 you're here. You came with a conspiracy theory that is 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.080 one that I feel like I had heard as a kid, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.280 but had not put any real thought into. I think 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.080 in part because I think I just didn't want it 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.840 to be true. But you said, and I want to 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.400 make sure that I get this right, because some of 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.800 it is a wording that I put on it more 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.000 than the wording that you gave me. But you said, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.840 my mama to old me. Timberland is owned and operated 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:12.040 by the KKK. Yeah, man, the clan owns Timberland. Facts 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.920 take it to the bank. Yeah, the clan owns Timberland 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.840 and they're using the logo as an emblem of hanging 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.040 people from trees. That's it. Stay woke, stay woke, Tell 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.599 me more, get dig me into this. Okay. So first 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.159 of all, I think as a kid, I wanted this 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.760 to be true because I didn't have no motherfucking money 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.960 and I couldn't actually have and you know, so like 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:44.080 I was woke before that was the word for it. Yeah, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.719 Like I remember being in like kindergarten and being like, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.080 I'm not wearing Nikes because I heard they have sweatshops 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.480 and ship right now, Like all of our stuff more 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.919 or less is like made in sweatshops. Yeah, it's a 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.800 different kind of sweatshot perhaps, but it's all being made 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.799 by somebody who is not being paid the right amount 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.000 for the work that they're doing. Absolutely, and so so 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.159 you know, so like that was me, right, I was 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.719 like I'm not wearing Nikes, which was which I don't 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.640 even know why what made me say that, because like 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.000 we shopped that pay less, so it wasn't like we're 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:26.000 really on the menu to begin with. But I heard 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.240 this about Tim's and I was like, cool, Yeah, I 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.480 can cross off another thing I can't afford on the list. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.240 You're like, good, I'll stick with these wolverine boots. I 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:43.160 don't need. These are perfect for me. These not racist wolverine. Yeah, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.720 these lugs, Birdman, You've never heard anybody thank you for 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.800 your lugs that you gave me. Right, that's why Little 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:57.159 Wayne kissed him. Yeah, right, bird Man only gives out kisses. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.360 He's not a part of the KKK. Okay, me ask 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.480 you this, where did you first hear it? Do you 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.760 remember the place or the person that first offered this 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.480 theory to you? You know, I don't. I don't exactly, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.080 but I want to say, even if this wasn't the place, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.560 this is like the energy that it had. I love that. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.279 My barber when I was a kid, who like I remember, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.919 he like gave me a Zen Buddhism book that I 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.719 maybe still have somewhere, and he was like, you're probably 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.120 not gonna understand this, but here you he was like, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.440 this is to what he would just like say incendiary things, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.400 like one time people almost got into a fight with 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.600 him because he like stepped in the middle of the 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.520 barbershop and was like, yo, fuck god, whoa. He was 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.520 like that dude, right, that's big you know black, That's 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.920 what I'm saying. He was. He was that guy. And 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.760 I remember like there was a point when, like right 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.400 around when I hit puberty, when I transitioned, I had 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.719 had another barber or a year, and I transitioned to 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.200 him being like my main guy, and he was always 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.200 like dropping gems and so it was after it was 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.440 after he said funk guy that you were like, I 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.040 gotta be with this dude more often. He's killing it. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.640 I like what he's saying. Absolutely, Hey, look I don't know. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.520 I like he was. He was just committed to chaos 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.160 and I appreciated that. I want to hear more about it. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.800 So why what was the motivation were you there? And 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.920 like was there a clear like line of thinking or 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.120 was it just like y'all, nigga's in here looking like 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.040 you praying in your heads and I want to sunk 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.640 that up. And no, it's just like Saturday day, like 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.880 barbershop banter, like sole train has gone off, and now 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.880 like niggas was bored, so you gotta just start a pot. Yeah, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.720 I get that. You do need a catalyst. You need 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.680 a person who's willing to to start the mess of 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.640 it all, and like, good for him for being willing 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.200 to be that person. And I agree. I think I 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:08.040 think this Timberland Secret KKK connection has that barber shop 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.520 energy where it's just like, yeah, of course you're gonna 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.360 you're gonna start doing math that ain't math. You're gonna 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:20.160 make connections that aren't really connections, right or are they? 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.480 Or are they? Thank you for saying that. Honestly, that's 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.240 how they get you, because here I am sitting here 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.720 pretending to have already proven and concluded that they are 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.319 not connected and when in fact, they very well could be. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.760 Look all I'm saying, is is it that crazy to 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.240 believe that, like evil, white people own a thing, even 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.120 white people own most things. Arguably, this is you know, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.599 that's just that's just how I live my life. I 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.920 realized that I was talking to my homie the other 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.880 day and I realized, like I have, like the one 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.160 maxim that has never proven me wrong in life is 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.920 that white folks is crazy. Yes, Okay, I listen, I 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:09.400 hear that that feels true And to to the larger 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.040 or really more specific point in what you're saying is 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.719 that at the end of almost every form of ownership 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.320 is a crazy white person. So whether or not I 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.960 can directly say this is the clue klux Klan is 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.880 a different conversation. But if it I just I don't know, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.480 it's it's a crazy white person definitely that owns Timberland. Yeah, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.280 that's it, easy, easy, Like I I I believe that 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.840 with my whole heart. Sure, I believe that like little 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.000 children believe in Santa Claus. This is this is my 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:48.280 nigga Christmas. I love that. Let me ask you this, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.080 are you, in any way an owner of a pair 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.920 of Timberland's? Now do you have Tim's? Have you had Tims? 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.920 Since this? Absolutely? They're a great shoe there, I kind 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:04.320 of look they look so cool man. You See when 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.160 I went to college, I went to college on like 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.760 a bunch of scholarships, and so I was getting fun 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.080 checks and it was the most money I've ever seen 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.560 in my life. And the first thing I did was 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.640 go I bought Tims. I bought these pumas with the 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.839 Chicago skyline on them, and like a bunch of like 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:27.640 Levi's that just because it was just like, yeah, go crazy, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.680 that's that's totally fair. And I love that the your 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.839 first you spend your whole childhood being like this thing 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.360 is racist. There's racist and city of ship happening here, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.160 and you're like, I got to get me some of 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.040 them racist shoes, the racist shoes. They're just built better 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.199 than these regular, old, respectful shoes, shoes that are filled 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.480 with love and decency. Don't nobody wants civil rights boots. No, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.720 that's fair. That's fair, and I think we don't talk 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.360 about that enough. Martin Luther King didn't want the shoes 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.640 he had. He wanted a better shoe. It was the 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.200 unfair quality of America that kept him from getting that 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.080 better shoe, and that's what he was fighting for. That's true. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.160 That's why they were marching. They were they were trying. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.400 At the point they were like, you see talking, they 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.440 these shoes are talking, and they're becoming worse and worse 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.320 because you're making me march miles and miles from my 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.600 own freedom for the opportunity to buy better shoes. We 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:34.000 need some like cobblers in the system, Yes, exactly. Okay, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.360 so you you eventually find your way over to owning 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.880 a pair of tempts to owning a better boot, as 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.200 you put it. And I'm curious to know how much 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.520 of that you still believe to this day, Like how 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.480 much of of the thims KKK relationship Because we're acknowledging 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.960 white people are are sort of at the top of 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.040 all of this ownership chain, but how much of it 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.080 are you, Like I'm saying KKK, y'all are still tied up. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.120 I must say. You want me to give it like 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.680 a percentage, I'm I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm gonna 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:15.960 say like, I'm tapped in. I don't know. Look, yeah, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:24.200 I'm tapped in. I'm connect Okay, that's a lot. That's 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.320 a there's very little doubt in your mind. What's the 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.240 two person? Where's what's that coming from? Uh? Maybe jay 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.080 Z has bought it by now, I don't know sure 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.400 that may be somewhere along the line, a person who 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.960 is invested in capitalism bought it more than invested in oppression, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.559 or at least oppression in the first hand sense. No, no, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:55.200 just just specifically the knowles Carter's specifically that specifically jay 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.040 Z bought this and now he owns it, and you 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.000 can judge jay Z as it worked. But that's it. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.040 That's it. I love it. Okay, So potentially jay Z 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.439 owned some part of Timberland and that makes it less 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.480 of the KKK thing. Does the fact that Timberland and 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.000 the KKK have this deep connection bother you? Are you 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:24.000 un nerved by this truth that you believe m doesn't 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.840 bother me? I mean no, I don't. You know, I 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.720 don't know why. I feel like if we could get 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.559 all the races committed to making like pretty high quality 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:40.480 consumer goods, yeah, and I'm like cool with that, Like yeah, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.960 like I don't know, I just we need to give 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.600 racist a trade. Sure, now you're talking now, I like 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.199 where you're going. Like I had a guy once coming 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.199 like like do my like fix my roof or whatever. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 And I'm pretty sure you probably probably voted for Trump, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.400 but like my roof this was good after that, Like 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.320 you know what I'm saying. I think I think you're 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.160 saying something really important here that ultimately racists are going 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.520 to exist. It's a fact out in the world, like 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.600 we we can't do anything about it, and we're currently 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:20.160 you know, recording this in the wake of of an election, right, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.680 but without the decision on the other end of it, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.560 and what the election has taught us from the numbers 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.840 that are coming in is racists are still thriving and 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.640 alive and feeling excited to go out and vote and 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.640 do all the things that activate them. And to your point, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.840 let's give him a job to do, don't. Don't just 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.840 eliminate them from society. Make the motherfucker's put boots together. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.320 That's what I'm saying. I want like fewer racist policymakers 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:53.280 and more racist like woodworkers. Hell yeah, I funk with that. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.360 That's brilliant. I don't want any racist deciding where my 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.520 money is being a lot did, but I would love 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.560 for racists to have to like work for tips on 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.960 the things that I'm doing, you service work, just doing 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.920 the ship that I don't want to do or know 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.560 how to do because my hands are stupid and built 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.400 for podcasts. Right, I just I want to I want 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.520 a racist just taking my order Chipotle. Hell yeah, give 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.120 me some case on Nick, you're not allowed to put 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.400 the meal together. I don't want you spitting in my ship, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.080 you racist motherfucker. But you can take the order and 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.880 have to talk politely to me afterwards so that I 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.080 tip if you seem like a decent racist. I tip you, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:44.000 I'm not unreasonable. Yolo. Yeah, that's what Drake said. That's 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.640 how Drake's gonna start. That's what Drake meant by Yolo 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:55.000 was get racist people in the service industry, Drake, And 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.640 that's really what this podcast is all about. Drake has 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.720 been doing the real work this whole time, and uh, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:06.960 he needs he deserves more credit for it. Honestly, are 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.840 we How do we feel about Drake? I don't know. No, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.560 let's go into it. Thank you for asking. I think 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:20.120 that Drake is a toxic, toxic man who makes phenomenal music, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:25.320 just unbelievably fun music for everybody to enjoy. And we 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.640 are constantly conflating his toxicity with his fun music and 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.040 I don't know if that's fair, But on the same 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.520 at the same time, we have to do it with 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.640 all these other artists who eventually are going to be 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.240 revealed to be evil and awful, So maybe we should 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.040 do it early with Drake. That's I wish Drake like 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.440 did some ship where he wasn't the star, but like 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.160 if he wrote like Broadway musicals or like music or 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.560 some ship where I could just be like, oh, this 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.280 is catchy, and I didn't have to be confronted with 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.240 like him as a figure. I feel much much better 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.200 about it. Sure, I would love the Broadway musical. Drake 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.080 writes of a dude who, like us, playing mind games 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.040 with a woman for way too long while he cheats. Like, yeah, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:16.240 that perfect Drake musical. Just him pretending to be sad 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.280 while he texts other girls in the background. Right, it's 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.480 just like him being engaged for eight years? Yeah, right, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.240 just Draking. Your your auntie's friend who comes to every 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.080 holiday and just looks at him Southway. Nobody in the 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.240 family likes them, but nobody can quite get rid of him. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:42.160 The Drake story. Yeah, I love that. Okay, let's let's 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.639 gear this back to Tims. Do you think that because 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.840 Tim's became really popular largely because of hip hop and 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.199 black culture and like a lot of the sort of 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.479 like artists that popularize them, that made them cool and 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.680 sexy and ship, do you think that they were aware 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.320 of your conspiracy c theory that the KKK was somehow 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.919 involved in the production of Tims. I think hmm. Do 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.520 I think they were aware? Like, do you think nas 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.800 is rapping about Tims and fully aware that like the 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:20.480 KKK did some ship I think some of them, but 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.600 I don't know if the word got around right, Like 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.080 I think this might be like why for example, like 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.159 I can't remember was all a Wu Tang or just 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:34.879 like ghost Face, but he basically only wears Wallabies. I 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.040 think that's not just a style choice. It's like it's 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.840 like I'm gonna keep these anti racist shoes on, like 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:47.159 I can't even which is so interesting, especially because I 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.439 feel like New York dudes, are you know everybody in 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.840 New York has like you like go there and you 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.720 just get two pairs of TEMs. It's just like what happens, right, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.719 So Wu Tang they had the knowledge. I love the 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:06.320 idea that ghost Face has just been a responsible consumer 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.320 this whole time, and like, yeah, he's a dude that 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.720 got rich selling crack. But also I'm not I'm not 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.199 gonna support the KKK. What are you talking about? Like, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.320 that's that's the real five percent. It's it's like the 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:28.280 five percent of the population that knows KKK everyone else. Sure, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.600 that's what that whole religion is all about, is uh? 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.480 The people who are woken enough to know what the 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:38.040 KKK did with the teams. I love that. I do 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.560 think one of the things that sort of is coming 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:45.280 out of this entire election period, this Trump Experience, as 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:50.520 you will, is hip hop's willingness to invest in quote 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:56.080 unquote white supremacy or certainly like anti blackness. Um. And 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.520 what we're seeing is a lot of them are real 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.560 down for it, like they don't give a funk enough 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:06.760 to not buy in. So like mm hmm, yeah, I believe, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.679 I believe a few of them new and we're like, 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.960 fuck it, Yeah, that's real, that's real. I mean, well, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.240 first off, I just have to name that. You said 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.520 Trump Experience, which sounds like Disney quest for racist uh, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:24.600 and that's fantastic. I would, I honestly would make that. Yeah. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.560 And the Trump Experience it's just a ride. It's just yeah, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.280 like right, like there's just arcade games that don't work, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:36.919 and then when they don't work, they go, it's your fault. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.800 You're dumb, poor bitch, you should have had more money 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:47.280 than it'll work. The Trump Experience, the Trump Experience, baby Yeah. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.560 I think I think we're seeing so many hip hop 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:56.160 artists connect themselves with ultimately like super sort of like 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.520 a conservative theory, right, that like, I want to keep 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.399 my money. I want to be protected. You know, I 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.760 earned it, I want to keep it kind of energy 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.720 and so like that's not that far from being like 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.920 I like the shoes, I want to wear them. I 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.760 don't care who made them. Yeah, but I think that's 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:16.760 kind of like always been I mean, this is like 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.879 one of the hip hop is there's a lot of 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.639 things that hip hop's very complicated cultural space, but that 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.440 strain has always been there, right, Like we've always sort 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.520 of celebrated you know how many references to Donald Trump 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.919 or Warren Buffett or being black, Bill Gates or whatever 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.720 are there in the music over the last you know, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.720 many decades. Right, that's like, yeah, that's absolutely a thing, 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.480 And I get why, or I get how, like somebody 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.320 liked Trump his kind of he's kind of like I 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.440 don't give a shit about what people if people think 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.040 I'm rude or like how I talk to people, Like 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:01.040 of course that's that's of like, of of course that 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.520 would be attractive to someone like ice Cube, who's like, look, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:12.800 there's women like yeah, it's it's I think to your point, 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.800 their language isn't that different. It's just the way that 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:21.240 they choose to express themselves is the difference. And people 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.919 were presuming for the longest that black ment liberal or 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.240 black mint hip hop ment like being on the side 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.040 of sort of like the oppressed. Then it doesn't. It 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.840 just means a nigga rapping, and sometimes niggas rap about 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.640 mean awful things and they kind of mean it when 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.200 they do. Yeah, this is another thing too that we 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.760 got to think about with like all these especially like 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.760 the sort of nineties and two thousands all stars that 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.040 Trump like trotted out for his goofy as is like 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.359 all these dudes have been have had money way longer 0:22:55.400 --> 0:23:01.080 than they didn't have money, Yes, yes, And and to 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.160 that point, they have connected and built relationships that are 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.840 so far from the money that they didn't have at 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.720 this point that not having money is an unfamiliar idea 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.360 that like, you literally don't know any broke people, and 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.480 you ain't been broken so long. What the funk do 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.080 I have to talk about with y'all? Right? And and 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.400 like particularly I'm thinking of those two dudes right, like 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.320 they're some of the rare kinds of rappers who actually 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:33.040 have made enough money in their careers to conceivably like 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.080 pull everyone else around them, who who they care about, 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.880 like their families or whatever, into that same space, right, 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.239 So it's not even necessarily like they go back go 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.400 back to their hood. Like you know, I'm a college professor. 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.360 I'm not rich, but I do. Okay, I'm fine. I 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.159 like own a house, but like, if I want to 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.120 go visit my family, they're still in the same motherfucking 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:01.360 place I left them. Because you can't fix that, yeah, right, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.800 you can't do anything for them. And and I think 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.120 that's exactly right. And I think the even scarier part, 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.080 if we're really following that chain of fixing things or 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.720 separating yourself, they also are two examples of people who 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:18.080 went on to get a white institution's higher education. Right. So, 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.680 like in hip hop, a bunch of rappers pretend not 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.120 to be smarter than they are, but these two dudes 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:28.280 actually like winning, got fucking like master's degrees and like 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.160 bachelor's degrees and that whole thing. And I think part 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.680 of that is them beginning to separate themselves from their poverty. 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.600 It's them like moving away from all the things that 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:42.400 connected them from brokenness. And they ain't going back, no 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.359 matter who's in charge of it. No sure, and and 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.879 I don't like, I don't fault someone for not wanting 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.680 to to be broke or not wanting to struggle like that. 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.879 That's a human experience. That's a that's a very human 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:02.800 But then some cones, I don't know, I don't that's 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.800 not even a joke. I don't even have anything this 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:10.119 second about it's some coon shit. I look, I love it. 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.720 I think there's no better way to throw doing commercial break. 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.320 We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:28.280 Nate Marshall and more, my mama told me. And we 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:37.600 are back. You got what I need. Yeah, we're back 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.000 here with more name Marshall more. And my mama told me. 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:46.199 We're still talking about the insidious underbelly of the Timberland 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.960 production and potentially the coons that supported the coons that 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:56.119 love it, just love coon ship. Listen, Who amongst the 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.040 sunsn't love coon ship once in our life? And I 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.119