Speaker 1: Who amongst us, like didn't love Little Wayne mixtapes. I
Speaker 1: think no Ceilings was just a metaphor for like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think billionaire should exists. Just no ceilings on corporate rs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no cap on the taxt no cap on the corporate text. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's making music for for Republicans and we are goofy
Speaker 1: ascids are being like, man, I really connect with him.
Speaker 1: He gets me from the streets like, no, it's bit rich.
Speaker 1: You don't give a shit about your racists, money, interning stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me. Yeah, there it is. There it is.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another spectacular episode of My
Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep
Speaker 1: into the world of black conspiracy theories and we finally
Speaker 1: work to prove that a Marie Stoudemeyer is the only
Speaker 1: person who can truly bring it into the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Speaker 1: The man is going to fix everything for us. That
Speaker 1: giant Jew, that giant black Jew, is going to solve
Speaker 1: the problem. Fuck Jared Kushner. I don't put my faith
Speaker 1: in Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner kent't. Jared Kushner can't dunk
Speaker 1: on a nigga, a Marie Stoudemeyer. Now that's the motherfucker
Speaker 1: that can dunk on on racism, on oppression, on the
Speaker 1: things that separate us as people. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Lanks and Kerman, as always, I'm I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. My guests today, Oh man, I guess today
Speaker 1: is somebody I've known since I was a young person,
Speaker 1: a high schooler, and we grew up doing poetry together.
Speaker 1: We competed in poetry in Chicago. And now he's going
Speaker 1: on to become a very successful poet. And I am
Speaker 1: an idiot who claims that a Mari Stademeyer is gonna
Speaker 1: solve big issues out in the world. He's he's hilarious,
Speaker 1: he's smart, he's brilliant. You know his work. He wrote
Speaker 1: a book called Wild Hundreds. That's amazing. He's got a
Speaker 1: new book this year called Finna. He's amazing. You're gonna
Speaker 1: love him. Giving up for my guests, Nate Marshall, everybody,
Speaker 1: Oh what's up? What's up? I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like you ran out of funny niggas. So I'm very
Speaker 1: happy to know I did not run out of funny niggas.
Speaker 1: But I did feel like, all right, I've been talking
Speaker 1: to a lot of funny people, but most of them
Speaker 1: are idiots. It would be nice to talk to somebody
Speaker 1: who maybe has some perspective out in the world. And
Speaker 1: also it was very funny. Oh dear God, this is
Speaker 1: this could be rough every day. You're an author, man,
Speaker 1: you got you. You gotta know something more than I do.
Speaker 1: You've certainly read your own book, which is more books
Speaker 1: than I've read total. This is a lot, yo, y'all
Speaker 1: don't notice this motherfucker has a master's in poetry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that that's the scam as well as
Speaker 1: I do. But we're all celebrating. I'm very excited that
Speaker 1: you're here. You came with a conspiracy theory that is
Speaker 1: one that I feel like I had heard as a kid,
Speaker 1: but had not put any real thought into. I think
Speaker 1: in part because I think I just didn't want it
Speaker 1: to be true. But you said, and I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that I get this right, because some of
Speaker 1: it is a wording that I put on it more
Speaker 1: than the wording that you gave me. But you said,
Speaker 1: my mama to old me. Timberland is owned and operated
Speaker 1: by the KKK. Yeah, man, the clan owns Timberland. Facts
Speaker 1: take it to the bank. Yeah, the clan owns Timberland
Speaker 1: and they're using the logo as an emblem of hanging
Speaker 1: people from trees. That's it. Stay woke, stay woke, Tell
Speaker 1: me more, get dig me into this. Okay. So first
Speaker 1: of all, I think as a kid, I wanted this
Speaker 1: to be true because I didn't have no motherfucking money
Speaker 1: and I couldn't actually have and you know, so like
Speaker 1: I was woke before that was the word for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I remember being in like kindergarten and being like,
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing Nikes because I heard they have sweatshops
Speaker 1: and ship right now, Like all of our stuff more
Speaker 1: or less is like made in sweatshops. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of sweatshot perhaps, but it's all being made
Speaker 1: by somebody who is not being paid the right amount
Speaker 1: for the work that they're doing. Absolutely, and so so
Speaker 1: you know, so like that was me, right, I was
Speaker 1: like I'm not wearing Nikes, which was which I don't
Speaker 1: even know why what made me say that, because like
Speaker 1: we shopped that pay less, so it wasn't like we're
Speaker 1: really on the menu to begin with. But I heard
Speaker 1: this about Tim's and I was like, cool, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can cross off another thing I can't afford on the list.
Speaker 1: You're like, good, I'll stick with these wolverine boots. I
Speaker 1: don't need. These are perfect for me. These not racist wolverine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these lugs, Birdman, You've never heard anybody thank you for
Speaker 1: your lugs that you gave me. Right, that's why Little
Speaker 1: Wayne kissed him. Yeah, right, bird Man only gives out kisses.
Speaker 1: He's not a part of the KKK. Okay, me ask
Speaker 1: you this, where did you first hear it? Do you
Speaker 1: remember the place or the person that first offered this
Speaker 1: theory to you? You know, I don't. I don't exactly,
Speaker 1: but I want to say, even if this wasn't the place,
Speaker 1: this is like the energy that it had. I love that.
Speaker 1: My barber when I was a kid, who like I remember,
Speaker 1: he like gave me a Zen Buddhism book that I
Speaker 1: maybe still have somewhere, and he was like, you're probably
Speaker 1: not gonna understand this, but here you he was like,
Speaker 1: this is to what he would just like say incendiary things,
Speaker 1: like one time people almost got into a fight with
Speaker 1: him because he like stepped in the middle of the
Speaker 1: barbershop and was like, yo, fuck god, whoa. He was
Speaker 1: like that dude, right, that's big you know black, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was. He was that guy. And
Speaker 1: I remember like there was a point when, like right
Speaker 1: around when I hit puberty, when I transitioned, I had
Speaker 1: had another barber or a year, and I transitioned to
Speaker 1: him being like my main guy, and he was always
Speaker 1: like dropping gems and so it was after it was
Speaker 1: after he said funk guy that you were like, I
Speaker 1: gotta be with this dude more often. He's killing it.
Speaker 1: I like what he's saying. Absolutely, Hey, look I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like he was. He was just committed to chaos
Speaker 1: and I appreciated that. I want to hear more about it.
Speaker 1: So why what was the motivation were you there? And
Speaker 1: like was there a clear like line of thinking or
Speaker 1: was it just like y'all, nigga's in here looking like
Speaker 1: you praying in your heads and I want to sunk
Speaker 1: that up. And no, it's just like Saturday day, like
Speaker 1: barbershop banter, like sole train has gone off, and now
Speaker 1: like niggas was bored, so you gotta just start a pot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. You do need a catalyst. You need
Speaker 1: a person who's willing to to start the mess of
Speaker 1: it all, and like, good for him for being willing
Speaker 1: to be that person. And I agree. I think I
Speaker 1: think this Timberland Secret KKK connection has that barber shop
Speaker 1: energy where it's just like, yeah, of course you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna start doing math that ain't math. You're gonna
Speaker 1: make connections that aren't really connections, right or are they?
Speaker 1: Or are they? Thank you for saying that. Honestly, that's
Speaker 1: how they get you, because here I am sitting here
Speaker 1: pretending to have already proven and concluded that they are
Speaker 1: not connected and when in fact, they very well could be.
Speaker 1: Look all I'm saying, is is it that crazy to
Speaker 1: believe that, like evil, white people own a thing, even
Speaker 1: white people own most things. Arguably, this is you know,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just how I live my life. I
Speaker 1: realized that I was talking to my homie the other
Speaker 1: day and I realized, like I have, like the one
Speaker 1: maxim that has never proven me wrong in life is
Speaker 1: that white folks is crazy. Yes, Okay, I listen, I
Speaker 1: hear that that feels true And to to the larger
Speaker 1: or really more specific point in what you're saying is
Speaker 1: that at the end of almost every form of ownership
Speaker 1: is a crazy white person. So whether or not I
Speaker 1: can directly say this is the clue klux Klan is
Speaker 1: a different conversation. But if it I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a crazy white person definitely that owns Timberland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it, easy, easy, Like I I I believe that
Speaker 1: with my whole heart. Sure, I believe that like little
Speaker 1: children believe in Santa Claus. This is this is my
Speaker 1: nigga Christmas. I love that. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: are you, in any way an owner of a pair
Speaker 1: of Timberland's? Now do you have Tim's? Have you had Tims?
Speaker 1: Since this? Absolutely? They're a great shoe there, I kind
Speaker 1: of look they look so cool man. You See when
Speaker 1: I went to college, I went to college on like
Speaker 1: a bunch of scholarships, and so I was getting fun
Speaker 1: checks and it was the most money I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. And the first thing I did was
Speaker 1: go I bought Tims. I bought these pumas with the
Speaker 1: Chicago skyline on them, and like a bunch of like
Speaker 1: Levi's that just because it was just like, yeah, go crazy,
Speaker 1: that's that's totally fair. And I love that the your
Speaker 1: first you spend your whole childhood being like this thing
Speaker 1: is racist. There's racist and city of ship happening here,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I got to get me some of
Speaker 1: them racist shoes, the racist shoes. They're just built better
Speaker 1: than these regular, old, respectful shoes, shoes that are filled
Speaker 1: with love and decency. Don't nobody wants civil rights boots. No,
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's fair, and I think we don't talk
Speaker 1: about that enough. Martin Luther King didn't want the shoes
Speaker 1: he had. He wanted a better shoe. It was the
Speaker 1: unfair quality of America that kept him from getting that
Speaker 1: better shoe, and that's what he was fighting for. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's why they were marching. They were they were trying.
Speaker 1: At the point they were like, you see talking, they
Speaker 1: these shoes are talking, and they're becoming worse and worse
Speaker 1: because you're making me march miles and miles from my
Speaker 1: own freedom for the opportunity to buy better shoes. We
Speaker 1: need some like cobblers in the system, Yes, exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you you eventually find your way over to owning
Speaker 1: a pair of tempts to owning a better boot, as
Speaker 1: you put it. And I'm curious to know how much
Speaker 1: of that you still believe to this day, Like how
Speaker 1: much of of the thims KKK relationship Because we're acknowledging
Speaker 1: white people are are sort of at the top of
Speaker 1: all of this ownership chain, but how much of it
Speaker 1: are you, Like I'm saying KKK, y'all are still tied up.
Speaker 1: I must say. You want me to give it like
Speaker 1: a percentage, I'm I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say like, I'm tapped in. I don't know. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tapped in. I'm connect Okay, that's a lot. That's
Speaker 1: a there's very little doubt in your mind. What's the
Speaker 1: two person? Where's what's that coming from? Uh? Maybe jay
Speaker 1: Z has bought it by now, I don't know sure
Speaker 1: that may be somewhere along the line, a person who
Speaker 1: is invested in capitalism bought it more than invested in oppression,
Speaker 1: or at least oppression in the first hand sense. No, no,
Speaker 1: just just specifically the knowles Carter's specifically that specifically jay
Speaker 1: Z bought this and now he owns it, and you
Speaker 1: can judge jay Z as it worked. But that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. I love it. Okay, So potentially jay Z
Speaker 1: owned some part of Timberland and that makes it less
Speaker 1: of the KKK thing. Does the fact that Timberland and
Speaker 1: the KKK have this deep connection bother you? Are you
Speaker 1: un nerved by this truth that you believe m doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me? I mean no, I don't. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I feel like if we could get
Speaker 1: all the races committed to making like pretty high quality
Speaker 1: consumer goods, yeah, and I'm like cool with that, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I just we need to give
Speaker 1: racist a trade. Sure, now you're talking now, I like
Speaker 1: where you're going. Like I had a guy once coming
Speaker 1: like like do my like fix my roof or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you probably probably voted for Trump,
Speaker 1: but like my roof this was good after that, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think I think you're
Speaker 1: saying something really important here that ultimately racists are going
Speaker 1: to exist. It's a fact out in the world, like
Speaker 1: we we can't do anything about it, and we're currently
Speaker 1: you know, recording this in the wake of of an election, right,
Speaker 1: but without the decision on the other end of it,
Speaker 1: and what the election has taught us from the numbers
Speaker 1: that are coming in is racists are still thriving and
Speaker 1: alive and feeling excited to go out and vote and
Speaker 1: do all the things that activate them. And to your point,
Speaker 1: let's give him a job to do, don't. Don't just
Speaker 1: eliminate them from society. Make the motherfucker's put boots together.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I want like fewer racist policymakers
Speaker 1: and more racist like woodworkers. Hell yeah, I funk with that.
Speaker 1: That's brilliant. I don't want any racist deciding where my
Speaker 1: money is being a lot did, but I would love
Speaker 1: for racists to have to like work for tips on
Speaker 1: the things that I'm doing, you service work, just doing
Speaker 1: the ship that I don't want to do or know
Speaker 1: how to do because my hands are stupid and built
Speaker 1: for podcasts. Right, I just I want to I want
Speaker 1: a racist just taking my order Chipotle. Hell yeah, give
Speaker 1: me some case on Nick, you're not allowed to put
Speaker 1: the meal together. I don't want you spitting in my ship,
Speaker 1: you racist motherfucker. But you can take the order and
Speaker 1: have to talk politely to me afterwards so that I
Speaker 1: tip if you seem like a decent racist. I tip you,
Speaker 1: I'm not unreasonable. Yolo. Yeah, that's what Drake said. That's
Speaker 1: how Drake's gonna start. That's what Drake meant by Yolo
Speaker 1: was get racist people in the service industry, Drake, And
Speaker 1: that's really what this podcast is all about. Drake has
Speaker 1: been doing the real work this whole time, and uh,
Speaker 1: he needs he deserves more credit for it. Honestly, are
Speaker 1: we How do we feel about Drake? I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: let's go into it. Thank you for asking. I think
Speaker 1: that Drake is a toxic, toxic man who makes phenomenal music,
Speaker 1: just unbelievably fun music for everybody to enjoy. And we
Speaker 1: are constantly conflating his toxicity with his fun music and
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's fair, But on the same
Speaker 1: at the same time, we have to do it with
Speaker 1: all these other artists who eventually are going to be
Speaker 1: revealed to be evil and awful, So maybe we should
Speaker 1: do it early with Drake. That's I wish Drake like
Speaker 1: did some ship where he wasn't the star, but like
Speaker 1: if he wrote like Broadway musicals or like music or
Speaker 1: some ship where I could just be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is catchy, and I didn't have to be confronted with
Speaker 1: like him as a figure. I feel much much better
Speaker 1: about it. Sure, I would love the Broadway musical. Drake
Speaker 1: writes of a dude who, like us, playing mind games
Speaker 1: with a woman for way too long while he cheats. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that perfect Drake musical. Just him pretending to be sad
Speaker 1: while he texts other girls in the background. Right, it's
Speaker 1: just like him being engaged for eight years? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: just Draking. Your your auntie's friend who comes to every
Speaker 1: holiday and just looks at him Southway. Nobody in the
Speaker 1: family likes them, but nobody can quite get rid of him.
Speaker 1: The Drake story. Yeah, I love that. Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: gear this back to Tims. Do you think that because
Speaker 1: Tim's became really popular largely because of hip hop and
Speaker 1: black culture and like a lot of the sort of
Speaker 1: like artists that popularize them, that made them cool and
Speaker 1: sexy and ship, do you think that they were aware
Speaker 1: of your conspiracy c theory that the KKK was somehow
Speaker 1: involved in the production of Tims. I think hmm. Do
Speaker 1: I think they were aware? Like, do you think nas
Speaker 1: is rapping about Tims and fully aware that like the
Speaker 1: KKK did some ship I think some of them, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if the word got around right, Like
Speaker 1: I think this might be like why for example, like
Speaker 1: I can't remember was all a Wu Tang or just
Speaker 1: like ghost Face, but he basically only wears Wallabies. I
Speaker 1: think that's not just a style choice. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna keep these anti racist shoes on, like
Speaker 1: I can't even which is so interesting, especially because I
Speaker 1: feel like New York dudes, are you know everybody in
Speaker 1: New York has like you like go there and you
Speaker 1: just get two pairs of TEMs. It's just like what happens, right,
Speaker 1: So Wu Tang they had the knowledge. I love the
Speaker 1: idea that ghost Face has just been a responsible consumer
Speaker 1: this whole time, and like, yeah, he's a dude that
Speaker 1: got rich selling crack. But also I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna support the KKK. What are you talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the real five percent. It's it's like the
Speaker 1: five percent of the population that knows KKK everyone else. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's what that whole religion is all about, is uh?
Speaker 1: The people who are woken enough to know what the
Speaker 1: KKK did with the teams. I love that. I do
Speaker 1: think one of the things that sort of is coming
Speaker 1: out of this entire election period, this Trump Experience, as
Speaker 1: you will, is hip hop's willingness to invest in quote
Speaker 1: unquote white supremacy or certainly like anti blackness. Um. And
Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a lot of them are real
Speaker 1: down for it, like they don't give a funk enough
Speaker 1: to not buy in. So like mm hmm, yeah, I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe a few of them new and we're like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, Yeah, that's real, that's real. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: first off, I just have to name that. You said
Speaker 1: Trump Experience, which sounds like Disney quest for racist uh,
Speaker 1: and that's fantastic. I would, I honestly would make that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the Trump Experience it's just a ride. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: like right, like there's just arcade games that don't work,
Speaker 1: and then when they don't work, they go, it's your fault.
Speaker 1: You're dumb, poor bitch, you should have had more money
Speaker 1: than it'll work. The Trump Experience, the Trump Experience, baby Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think we're seeing so many hip hop
Speaker 1: artists connect themselves with ultimately like super sort of like
Speaker 1: a conservative theory, right, that like, I want to keep
Speaker 1: my money. I want to be protected. You know, I
Speaker 1: earned it, I want to keep it kind of energy
Speaker 1: and so like that's not that far from being like
Speaker 1: I like the shoes, I want to wear them. I
Speaker 1: don't care who made them. Yeah, but I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of like always been I mean, this is like
Speaker 1: one of the hip hop is there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that hip hop's very complicated cultural space, but that
Speaker 1: strain has always been there, right, Like we've always sort
Speaker 1: of celebrated you know how many references to Donald Trump
Speaker 1: or Warren Buffett or being black, Bill Gates or whatever
Speaker 1: are there in the music over the last you know,
Speaker 1: many decades. Right, that's like, yeah, that's absolutely a thing,
Speaker 1: And I get why, or I get how, like somebody
Speaker 1: liked Trump his kind of he's kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about what people if people think
Speaker 1: I'm rude or like how I talk to people, Like
Speaker 1: of course that's that's of like, of of course that
Speaker 1: would be attractive to someone like ice Cube, who's like, look,
Speaker 1: there's women like yeah, it's it's I think to your point,
Speaker 1: their language isn't that different. It's just the way that
Speaker 1: they choose to express themselves is the difference. And people
Speaker 1: were presuming for the longest that black ment liberal or
Speaker 1: black mint hip hop ment like being on the side
Speaker 1: of sort of like the oppressed. Then it doesn't. It
Speaker 1: just means a nigga rapping, and sometimes niggas rap about
Speaker 1: mean awful things and they kind of mean it when
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, this is another thing too that we
Speaker 1: got to think about with like all these especially like
Speaker 1: the sort of nineties and two thousands all stars that
Speaker 1: Trump like trotted out for his goofy as is like
Speaker 1: all these dudes have been have had money way longer
Speaker 1: than they didn't have money, Yes, yes, And and to
Speaker 1: that point, they have connected and built relationships that are
Speaker 1: so far from the money that they didn't have at
Speaker 1: this point that not having money is an unfamiliar idea
Speaker 1: that like, you literally don't know any broke people, and
Speaker 1: you ain't been broken so long. What the funk do
Speaker 1: I have to talk about with y'all? Right? And and
Speaker 1: like particularly I'm thinking of those two dudes right, like
Speaker 1: they're some of the rare kinds of rappers who actually
Speaker 1: have made enough money in their careers to conceivably like
Speaker 1: pull everyone else around them, who who they care about,
Speaker 1: like their families or whatever, into that same space, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not even necessarily like they go back go
Speaker 1: back to their hood. Like you know, I'm a college professor.
Speaker 1: I'm not rich, but I do. Okay, I'm fine. I
Speaker 1: like own a house, but like, if I want to
Speaker 1: go visit my family, they're still in the same motherfucking
Speaker 1: place I left them. Because you can't fix that, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you can't do anything for them. And and I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And I think the even scarier part,
Speaker 1: if we're really following that chain of fixing things or
Speaker 1: separating yourself, they also are two examples of people who
Speaker 1: went on to get a white institution's higher education. Right. So,
Speaker 1: like in hip hop, a bunch of rappers pretend not
Speaker 1: to be smarter than they are, but these two dudes
Speaker 1: actually like winning, got fucking like master's degrees and like
Speaker 1: bachelor's degrees and that whole thing. And I think part
Speaker 1: of that is them beginning to separate themselves from their poverty.
Speaker 1: It's them like moving away from all the things that
Speaker 1: connected them from brokenness. And they ain't going back, no
Speaker 1: matter who's in charge of it. No sure, and and
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't fault someone for not wanting
Speaker 1: to to be broke or not wanting to struggle like that.
Speaker 1: That's a human experience. That's a that's a very human
Speaker 1: But then some cones, I don't know, I don't that's
Speaker 1: not even a joke. I don't even have anything this
Speaker 1: second about it's some coon shit. I look, I love it.
Speaker 1: I think there's no better way to throw doing commercial break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more
Speaker 1: Nate Marshall and more, my mama told me. And we
Speaker 1: are back. You got what I need. Yeah, we're back
Speaker 1: here with more name Marshall more. And my mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the insidious underbelly of the Timberland
Speaker 1: production and potentially the coons that supported the coons that
Speaker 1: love it, just love coon ship. Listen, Who amongst the
Speaker 1: sunsn't love coon ship once in our life? And I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair our point. Who amongst us hasn't
Speaker 1: been like damn, I don't know. I kind of funk
Speaker 1: with that. And then you have to wrestle with all
Speaker 1: of us love Terry Crews. That's we love Terry, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's the part that we're like pretending.
Speaker 1: It's like we fucking Terry was in Kendrick videos, Terry
Speaker 1: was in Friday after Next. We loved Terry, and then
Speaker 1: Terry did some coon ship and some of us tried
Speaker 1: to negotiate with it and be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's okay, and then we found out like a damn
Speaker 1: we gotta jump off the Terry train. Remember when he
Speaker 1: made that fucking I wish I could remember what it was.
Speaker 1: He made that, Like it was like an acrostic poem
Speaker 1: on on Twitter day. Remember that of the word coon
Speaker 1: or it was right, that's right, I do remember that. Now.
Speaker 1: It was like jigaboo but written down and he had
Speaker 1: like written all the different Uh. It was like jigaboo
Speaker 1: just means just in tune with show goofy ass out
Speaker 1: of here, Terry unfortunately, best best all. My next My
Speaker 1: next book is strictly gonna be racist across sticks and
Speaker 1: be like Moon Cricket, making our own nation, creating and cool,
Speaker 1: cutting edge cutting with a k cutting edge technology that no,
Speaker 1: I I do think that to your point, there is
Speaker 1: a fair amount of stuff that like retroactively gets labeled
Speaker 1: as like coon shit or like unacceptable things for the
Speaker 1: quote unquote black community. And sometimes this ship was cool
Speaker 1: and then we realized later that it has a product
Speaker 1: problematic nature to it. Absolutely absolute. My mom has a
Speaker 1: her favorite book growing up was a Little Black Sambo.
Speaker 1: She didn't know. She was just like, the book has
Speaker 1: a little black boy and it's cold. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel seen and unfortunately I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: seen this way, but I didn't know that. I was
Speaker 1: a kid. But literal coon ship. Yeah, let's talk Tims.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk Tims. Okay, here's one of the things
Speaker 1: that I discovered in my research about the this Timberland
Speaker 1: controversy is that Timberland claims to have zero connection to
Speaker 1: the KKK, right, absolutely zero connection to the KKK. And
Speaker 1: it was in fact founded by a dude, uh named
Speaker 1: Nathan Nathan Schwartz in nineteen fifty two. And you guessed it.
Speaker 1: He's a Jewish guy. And so his whole point is, uh,
Speaker 1: what connection would I possibly gain in or would be
Speaker 1: the reasoning and me connecting with the KKK? He said,
Speaker 1: It's a completely absurd suggestion and there's no validity to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: now here's where it gets exciting. The reality is that
Speaker 1: that conspiracy theory actually came from a poem. It's it's
Speaker 1: a miracle if you will that you came to us
Speaker 1: with this, because you are a fantastic poet. But the
Speaker 1: conspiracy itself came from a poem that was being spread
Speaker 1: around in March of all over the internet, and it
Speaker 1: was being attributed to Maya Angelou. There's a poem that
Speaker 1: was going around that Maya Angelou apparently wrote that actually,
Speaker 1: uh makes all kinds of suggestions about like the various
Speaker 1: like communities that are connected. Like it's part of where
Speaker 1: that Tommy Hill figure calling you nigger came from. That
Speaker 1: Like that thing that everybody said was an Preah episode
Speaker 1: was actually from this poem. And there's like things where
Speaker 1: they it gets real problematic. At one point they go,
Speaker 1: you come up in the world wearing versace clothes made
Speaker 1: by a homosexual male. So even when you say you
Speaker 1: are straight, it is very hard to tell. It's a
Speaker 1: wild piece of writing, right, But when we get to
Speaker 1: the Timberland section of it all, it goes, uh, let
Speaker 1: me make sure and for footwear you wear Timberland's even
Speaker 1: under the sun that same tree that's the symbol for
Speaker 1: them could have been the same one your ancestors were
Speaker 1: hung from. Wow. And then it's as many people reclaim
Speaker 1: your status in this world and in your life. Fubou
Speaker 1: in case you didn't know, stands for for us by
Speaker 1: us buying black will someday suffice. Do you know who
Speaker 1: owns Timberland fashion? Well, Timberland is owned by the president
Speaker 1: of the KKK. Surprise, don't be read more books. Black
Speaker 1: people always hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Speaker 1: You may not get what you pay for, but you'll
Speaker 1: surely pay for what you get. I like that because
Speaker 1: earlier it had like the rhyme scheme, and then it
Speaker 1: was like funk that. Yeah, I got knowledge to drop
Speaker 1: this ship too important. I can't be rhyming on its
Speaker 1: naked the all day. I gotta talk that talk. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's wait? Was this? This is absolutely not a mind?
Speaker 1: No know? How dare you sir? How dare you? How
Speaker 1: should hang up this zoom call? Right now? Is this?
Speaker 1: I know it's not. But the world in which this
Speaker 1: is my andrelu poem is it's a world? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: would love for Maya Angeloud to be like just writing
Speaker 1: about Timberland and being super homophobic, like what if, what
Speaker 1: if that was just like the poem she did at
Speaker 1: like the Clinton inauguration. She was just like, if that
Speaker 1: could be the same truth she did that in the
Speaker 1: middle of poetic justice. I love that. It's so Maya
Speaker 1: Angelou did not write this poem, and in fact, her
Speaker 1: representatives when this poem began to circulate as a quote
Speaker 1: unquote Maya Angelou poem, uh immediately jumped on it. And
Speaker 1: their response is so funny because they basically said, look,
Speaker 1: that's clearly not a my Angelou poem, and we are
Speaker 1: offended that you would think writing this terrible would come
Speaker 1: from my Angelo. They weren't even offended by the ideas.
Speaker 1: They're like, this is a bad piece of writing, and
Speaker 1: my girl writes good. This is trash. They were like,
Speaker 1: this ship has no bars. Yeah, well I love that. Damn.
Speaker 1: I hope to one day like get there where people
Speaker 1: are just like putting my name on ship. I did
Speaker 1: not say that's pretty cool. That's like, that's a different level.
Speaker 1: That's like Maya like fucking Mark Twain and Shakespeare. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so part of the reason that I think that
Speaker 1: it begans circulating that way is because in the year
Speaker 1: when it's sort of is becoming a thing, right, this
Speaker 1: poem that's being posted all over the internet, there aren't
Speaker 1: real ways of tracing things. And it's a poem about
Speaker 1: like black life and black struggle in America, And the
Speaker 1: name most synonymous with black poetry at that time is
Speaker 1: my Angelou. That's that's who you would go to for
Speaker 1: this information. So it became almost like a weird game
Speaker 1: of telephone, if you will. Right, Yeah, I know why
Speaker 1: the cage bird sings because you know, wearing like Berberry,
Speaker 1: like what incredible wild So the so this happens and
Speaker 1: then it starts to kind of uh snowball, right that
Speaker 1: after we start seeing this poem circulating on the internet.
Speaker 1: Then there's this quote that gets attributed to the CEO
Speaker 1: of Timberland. And at this point they're not naming the CEO,
Speaker 1: but they're on this site called NAHA Daily Report a
Speaker 1: posted that basically quote saying Timberland's new appointed CEO lost
Speaker 1: it at its at a earnings press conference and revealed
Speaker 1: that he'd rather not see blacks and Latinos in his
Speaker 1: boots during the summertime, admitting that it's just tacky to
Speaker 1: wear boots in the summer, their work boots. But let's
Speaker 1: be honest, they don't like work is what he was
Speaker 1: supposed to have upset. Wow, Oh my god, I wish
Speaker 1: this was all very true. Well I want this Netflix documentary.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. Wow. So many New York motherfucker's I know
Speaker 1: would just be deeply hurt and offended by by such
Speaker 1: a statement because all they do is wear boots the right.
Speaker 1: Not only are you telling me I don't work, but
Speaker 1: also you're discrediting my entire fashion, my entire sense of
Speaker 1: self when you say ship like that. So it gets
Speaker 1: it gets even more fascinating because it's site Naha, Daily
Speaker 1: Report Apparently it's no longer a website, or at least
Speaker 1: not a very high functioning one. But not how Daily
Speaker 1: Report was was a predecessor to the onion that it
Speaker 1: was meant to be like a ironic website where they
Speaker 1: make jokes and ship. But as you can clearly see,
Speaker 1: that's not a good fucking joke. That's just a fake
Speaker 1: thing you put on the internet and like cause chaos
Speaker 1: and dissension amongst the community. Damn. Wow again, huh but
Speaker 1: is this is this a joke or is this like
Speaker 1: the joke that's true. M because I'm talking, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying this doesn't still doesn't seem un untrue to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, yes, yes, okay, the founder was Jewish,
Speaker 1: that's true. But presumably right this founder he had business partners,
Speaker 1: he had other people in the business. They probably weren't
Speaker 1: you know, many black folks, if any any in Puerto
Speaker 1: Ricans and Mexicans, Asian folks. It was a bunch of
Speaker 1: white people, and so it just chances are there was
Speaker 1: somebody in there who was clanning it up. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're saying this, because up to this point we've
Speaker 1: at least I thought we were working to uh discredit
Speaker 1: some of this theory. But you're like, nah, funk that.
Speaker 1: I'm still not sold. They're not sold. Double down, my friend,
Speaker 1: because in right, hip hop has started to take over
Speaker 1: their investing big in Timberland, and Timberland is sort of
Speaker 1: becoming a brand of the urban youth. But the Timberland
Speaker 1: executives are not necessarily bought into that yet. Right. So,
Speaker 1: in in a New York Times interview, the then VP
Speaker 1: Jeff Swartz, which is the grandson of the original Swartz,
Speaker 1: Nathan Swartz, who was in charge of this ship, actually
Speaker 1: said in an interview, Timberland is being adopted by a
Speaker 1: consumer that we didn't know existed relative to our target audience,
Speaker 1: which he described as honest, hardworking people. So basically he said, like,
Speaker 1: these niggas grabbing it and we ain't really planned for them.
Speaker 1: And also they're not honest or hardworking the way that
Speaker 1: we were aiming. This is some mother ship that ain't
Speaker 1: honest and hardworking, and we don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with that. Listen, listen, y'all, stay woke. Sounds sounds clan adjacent.
Speaker 1: And that's from the New York Times. That's not even no,
Speaker 1: that's a real article from the New York Times. And
Speaker 1: and he goes on to basically explain that, like, it
Speaker 1: just wasn't the demographic that they were aiming for, right,
Speaker 1: that when they created Timberland, it was meant to be
Speaker 1: a work boot for working people and the working people
Speaker 1: that he was imagining. And he doesn't quite say this,
Speaker 1: but it's all implied in the undertext. Is is white
Speaker 1: working class people and white working class once again, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And he's completely ignoring the fact that many of the
Speaker 1: black people that are wearing tims are working class people too,
Speaker 1: who just happened to spend their money differently. Absolutely, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, Martin Luther King that niggas was
Speaker 1: marching two shoes. I don't think you're wrong. And it's
Speaker 1: so he catches a lot of flak for that, right, Like,
Speaker 1: people get pretty upset at the idea of this guy
Speaker 1: basically saying like I, in essence, I don't want niggas
Speaker 1: wearing my boots, or at least that wasn't the plan.
Speaker 1: And so Timberland then has to do a lot of
Speaker 1: fixing and re evaluating in terms of their relationship with
Speaker 1: the black community. And it's not until like the late
Speaker 1: nineties that Timberland starts to really like invest in black advertisement,
Speaker 1: that they start to really like put the TAMS ads
Speaker 1: in the Vibe magazines and start to reassociate themselves with
Speaker 1: the hip hop artists intentionally and not just like on
Speaker 1: accident with Nas rapping about it or Biggie rapping about it. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, ghost Face Killer is the fucking
Speaker 1: civil rights leader of our time. No one's gonna convince
Speaker 1: me otherwise, nobody convinced me foot ghost face foot ghost
Speaker 1: face on the monument because that he's it. That's all
Speaker 1: we need is I want one of them, one of them,
Speaker 1: like posters that you buy on the side of the
Speaker 1: road where someone's also something shade butter and black soap.
Speaker 1: We're like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X like playing
Speaker 1: pool with Obama and I want ghost Face. They're like
Speaker 1: shooting dice in the corner. Yeah, I love that. I
Speaker 1: want one of those Tyrese paintings. Tyrese made that beautiful
Speaker 1: painting where it was wait wait wait wait, wait wait
Speaker 1: wait about this nigga. No, okay, well we'll wake up. Brother.
Speaker 1: There's other artists out here other than Picasso. There's other
Speaker 1: artists out here. Then then then your Bosskiyats a brother
Speaker 1: named Tyrese Gibson of Fast and Furious fame, made a
Speaker 1: beautiful painting in which Malcolm X is baptizing Tupac in
Speaker 1: a river. As I believe Martin Luther King looks on,
Speaker 1: I've seen Tyrese made that. That's a Tyrese Gibson original.
Speaker 1: Put that up in your home. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: should be so lucky to get the original of that
Speaker 1: Wow Baby Boy. Yeah, No, he did that, and he's
Speaker 1: continuing to do the work, and we don't give him
Speaker 1: enough credit. It should be ghost Face and Tyrese Gibson
Speaker 1: as the the greatest civil rights leaders we have and
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp. For some reason, I think Shannon Sharp does
Speaker 1: a lot of does a lot of good work for
Speaker 1: the black community. Uh, he's just mush mouth, so we
Speaker 1: can never tell what he's saying. I love Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 1: The excellent memes. There's some excellent meme work, great names,
Speaker 1: the bug eyed sweaty Man. I love that he deserves
Speaker 1: he works, he works hard. Okay, So this is where
Speaker 1: I think it gets even more interesting. So the quote
Speaker 1: that we were talking about goes on in the conversation.
Speaker 1: He went on to say, if you hear that hip
Speaker 1: hop kids are wearing Timberland boots and women are wearing
Speaker 1: Timberland boots with sun dresses at a Donna Karen fashion show,
Speaker 1: that's a coin in current dollars. But how in the
Speaker 1: world is that sustainable? So he's basically asking the question
Speaker 1: how long is hip hop gonna last? And so in retrospect,
Speaker 1: he now knows hip hop is going to become the
Speaker 1: biggest industry in all of music and like the most
Speaker 1: profitable of all of like the music forms, and so
Speaker 1: Timberland then has to realize that and fix that. And
Speaker 1: so in the late nineties is when they start introducing
Speaker 1: all the TEMs with like the custom colors and like
Speaker 1: the weird designs and ship. And it's because they started
Speaker 1: fully being aware that, like, oh, ship, hip hop is
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and we can't just keep servicing a
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes who are only gonna buy work boots
Speaker 1: every five years, right, I mean that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: like if you're like fashionable, you'll you'll buy a new
Speaker 1: shoe every season or more. But yeah, if you're like
Speaker 1: actually using temps to like go to work, right, you
Speaker 1: buy them ship and then you don't buy something until
Speaker 1: the next decade. Yeah, I'm not gonna keep buying more
Speaker 1: every but like dude who's really into thims and wants
Speaker 1: to look fly by a new pair every month, and
Speaker 1: like that's that's real money that you could be gaining.
Speaker 1: And so they I think they figured out that, like
Speaker 1: this is the brand we need to invest in and
Speaker 1: stop playing like this is a hard working man's boot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, maybe the most expensive show I ever
Speaker 1: bought in my life was like a Timberland streetwear mashup short,
Speaker 1: one of them supreme type energies of life. They were
Speaker 1: like very high and they had this like they were
Speaker 1: like Grace Swaye. Yeah, felt like walking on babysuits. But damn, wow,
Speaker 1: that's you really you really like actually researched. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: take my time with it. Here's here. So Timberland, after this, uh,
Speaker 1: this debacle, if you will, this issue with offending the
Speaker 1: black community or offending the hip hop community, then sort
Speaker 1: of like tries to rebrand itself as like a cool
Speaker 1: brand that deals in in respectable politics and doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: looks out for the community even though they're a billion
Speaker 1: dollar industry and probably do horrible things and and whatever.
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and ten, Timberland once again gets
Speaker 1: in trouble, not with the black community this time, but
Speaker 1: Greenpeace comes after them because they claimed that Timberland has
Speaker 1: a bunch of connections with deforestation in Brazil, that like,
Speaker 1: they are responsible for farmers who are cutting down massive
Speaker 1: amounts of the rainforests so that they can basically set
Speaker 1: up cattle farms and then sell Timberland back the cow hide.
Speaker 1: Damn you know what I'm gonna quick. Okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: you're about to talk that talk because I'll let you
Speaker 1: talk that talk. Yes, let me talk that Okay, Nate,
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. I'm excited. I'm gonna give you thirty
Speaker 1: seconds whenever you're ready talk that talk. All right. So
Speaker 1: you said that Timberland is responsible for deforestation in Brazil. Word,
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. We know what else was
Speaker 1: in Brazil. The majority of the slaves in the Transatlantic
Speaker 1: slave trade. Listen, right, Brazil black is Bresils, some nigga ship.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know that, right, but you
Speaker 1: gotta stay woken. And this is the thing about it.
Speaker 1: They deforced. And what are they doing with trees hanging
Speaker 1: niggas ship? Cool? Motherfucking talk that talk, Nate. Okay, I
Speaker 1: see what you're doing. It's connecting, it's starting. The math
Speaker 1: is starting the math. We're talking about deforestation. The trees
Speaker 1: is still the emphasis. It is a homage to the
Speaker 1: history that they've built of hanging niggas from trees. And
Speaker 1: they go to the most niggery place they can find mine,
Speaker 1: which is Brazil in this scenario. Listen, ain't look, there's
Speaker 1: no no more niggery place in the Western hemisphere. That
Speaker 1: might be true. Honestly, I listen that. Look, I don't
Speaker 1: have the mask, but I think that might actually be true.
Speaker 1: It's between that and in the South side of Chicago
Speaker 1: is one of those. It's one. It's one of Look
Speaker 1: you ever seen capa niggas are doing martial arts and
Speaker 1: dancing that that that is the most nigger ship because
Speaker 1: niggas loved Bruce Lee movies and motherfucking funk records. Right,
Speaker 1: everybody's fighting like the Black Power Rangers. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. That makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1: Now it is worth noting and uh your talk. That
Speaker 1: talk was exceptional, but it is worth noting that Timberland
Speaker 1: actually said that only seven percent of their cattle comes
Speaker 1: from Brazil, and then immediately after it was like, we'll stop,
Speaker 1: We'll just stop that. Y'all don't have to claim that
Speaker 1: we did that anymore. And they have also like gone
Speaker 1: out of their way to be anti racist. When like
Speaker 1: a French fashion label, a pc UH, their CEO came
Speaker 1: out in the middle of a big conference and basically
Speaker 1: like went on stage and said, uh, I want to
Speaker 1: make sure I have this right. He says, uh, I
Speaker 1: call this one. Look last Niggas in Paris. This is
Speaker 1: a white man. Why because it's the sweet spot when
Speaker 1: the Hood, the Hood meets berta Locheese movie Last Tango
Speaker 1: in Paris. So that's last Niggas in Paris and last
Speaker 1: Niggas in Paris. After an awkward pause, and then he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad some people laughed at me. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nice to play with the strong signifiers. The Timberland
Speaker 1: here is a very strong ghetto signifier. In the ghetto.
Speaker 1: It is all the Timberland's all the big chain, not
Speaker 1: all the same time. Never, it's bad taste. So we
Speaker 1: designed Timberland's the Timberland. It's bad bad. I love that
Speaker 1: because now I'm just imagining like a thug that bigging
Speaker 1: like imagine like two chains, like like like putting on
Speaker 1: his his chains and like about to like put like
Speaker 1: the third chain on. It's bad, that's bad taste. Put
Speaker 1: that ship back. I got on my tempts and three chains.
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. Not unreasonable, that's bad taste.
Speaker 1: So Timberland Timberland. Here's this guy go on this weird
Speaker 1: fucking French rant and uh then they like, hey, we
Speaker 1: can't work with you anymore, and they were celebrated as
Speaker 1: heroes for cutting that relationship. Damn ghetto signifier is the
Speaker 1: name of my next rapout? Now, Well, honestly, I love like,
Speaker 1: I know that was a racist like little thing that
Speaker 1: he just said, and I I agree, but wow, it
Speaker 1: was just so good. Yeah. No, he was spitting, and
Speaker 1: uh I didn't like what he was spitting. But bars
Speaker 1: is bars you know what I mean, Like, you gotta
Speaker 1: talk that talk. Yeah, let him shine, let him finish
Speaker 1: your sentence, then you deal with the emotional uh feelings afterwards.
Speaker 1: But no, funk that let him go off? I think, Damn,
Speaker 1: is this this is how like Takashi six nine fans
Speaker 1: must feel. Yes, it's just them being like, I don't know, bro,
Speaker 1: he going off. I don't agree with it, but go crazy. Yeah, ship,
Speaker 1: Look the world Look, life is yolo, yolo. Thank you Drizzy.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take my more break and we'll be back
Speaker 1: with more name Marshall and more. My mama told me,
Speaker 1: And we are back. If you want to reach those
Speaker 1: kids on the Street. Then you gotta do a rep,
Speaker 1: do a hip hop beat urban kick. My rhymes are flying,
Speaker 1: are just sick. My crew is big and it keeps
Speaker 1: getting bigger because Jesus Christ. Yeah, we're back here with
Speaker 1: more Nate Marshall. We're celebrating Jesus Christ. I nigga Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ and all he does for us. Have you heard
Speaker 1: that before? You know that song? He's the son of
Speaker 1: the original ge You got damn right. I know that
Speaker 1: so that I played that the other week from my
Speaker 1: girlfriend because she was like, I was like, babe, have
Speaker 1: you never heard that? And she was like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Have you ever you've never heard this masterpiece?
Speaker 1: This should is like this should is like purple haze
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know. That's my amatic. I love that.
Speaker 1: Y'all can have Jimmy Hendricks if you want to. I
Speaker 1: want that old dude in a backwards hat in a
Speaker 1: suit jacket for some reason. This is this is that's
Speaker 1: my songs in the Key of Life. I have a
Speaker 1: fun game for us to play, and it's a game
Speaker 1: called make that Brand Racist. It's a very fun game
Speaker 1: where I will introduce to you much in the way
Speaker 1: that we are unpacking the Timberland logo and potentially connecting
Speaker 1: it to the KKK and hanging people from trees. I
Speaker 1: am going to introduce to you other logos that potentially
Speaker 1: might have something insidious in their imagery, and what I
Speaker 1: would love for you to do is just unpack it.
Speaker 1: Help me find the racist elements of whatever this is
Speaker 1: that worked for you. Love finding the racism. Love finding
Speaker 1: the racism. Great. So the first logo, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: describe them all. I'm not even gonna show them to you.
Speaker 1: They're all ones that you're familiar with, I'm sure, and
Speaker 1: if you need to look them up, you absolutely can.
Speaker 1: But the first logo is the polo logo. The man
Speaker 1: on the horse swinging the pole low stick, the polo logo.
Speaker 1: What's racist in there? Okay? All right? So I was
Speaker 1: watching The Godfather the other day, right, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and the guyfather the like big movie executive. He has
Speaker 1: his beautiful horse that he loves. There's a point where
Speaker 1: the horse gets up like fucking killed the head. The
Speaker 1: head is chopped off and left and the dude's best
Speaker 1: it's like a threat. But you know who was taking
Speaker 1: care of the horses niggas. That's the only black father.
Speaker 1: It's the Moses, the only one. So okay, yeah it's
Speaker 1: racist because niggas took care of the horses but couldn't
Speaker 1: couldn't ride the horses. Also, did you know, and this
Speaker 1: is actually a true fact, A bunch of the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: and who used to win the Kentucky Derby were black
Speaker 1: and black people were so much they had the band Niggas.
Speaker 1: Band Niggas in like the WHOA because they get you.
Speaker 1: The ship was it was like the fucking NBA. It's
Speaker 1: just everybody was black. Swear to god, WHOA. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Okay, there's a few things to unpack in
Speaker 1: that statement, because number one, I love the fact that that, yes,
Speaker 1: the black people who took care of that horse should
Speaker 1: be in the logo as well. They should be like
Speaker 1: posing next to the horse, like posted up and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my horse. I brushed his tail, I made him
Speaker 1: look fly. And it's not just the dude who's swinging
Speaker 1: the polo mallet that gets to be celebrated. It's some
Speaker 1: niggas that worked hard on it. But then, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: I had no idea that black people were banned from
Speaker 1: horse racing. That's nuts, rue, man. I learned something new
Speaker 1: on this podcast every day, and some of it's made up,
Speaker 1: and I still celebrate it. Stay next logo, Okay, the
Speaker 1: next logo. This is exciting. Look cost you know that
Speaker 1: alligator with his mouth open. He's got a red tongue
Speaker 1: and his mouth is opened the La cost logo. What's
Speaker 1: racist than the La Costs logo? Oh, Dan, this is
Speaker 1: actually a very easy one. This is very easy. You
Speaker 1: ever heard the term gator bait? I have not, so,
Speaker 1: so this is this thing I think. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was true or if it's like a sort
Speaker 1: of urban legend, but they say that like enslavery times,
Speaker 1: like in Florida, in like the sort of southern swampland,
Speaker 1: like white people would use black babies like black enslaved
Speaker 1: baby and feed them motherfucker's two alligators. And actually the
Speaker 1: University of Florida, I think, who are the Gators right there?
Speaker 1: That's like their football team. All that they have, like
Speaker 1: they do like the chomp thing whatever. I think they
Speaker 1: have like a gator bait song or chant or something,
Speaker 1: and they like, you know, you know, this summer like
Speaker 1: the George Floyd stuff, all that stuff, Brianna Taylor, all
Speaker 1: that like happened, and people were like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: the Washington football team now or whatever. The fun racism
Speaker 1: and they were like, we're gonna stop there. You know,
Speaker 1: a racist song. We're saying we ain't got that. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: but sweater God, he's whoa babies, man, you're killing it
Speaker 1: right now. I didn't know. That's another fucking thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't know Gator Bay they were feeding, or at least imagining,
Speaker 1: feeding black slave children to alligators. That's just me. There's
Speaker 1: not even a reasoning for it. That you're losing money,
Speaker 1: don't you sucking up your own A little black baby
Speaker 1: could have grown up to be a useful tool, a
Speaker 1: nice uh a nice. He could have been a cobbler,
Speaker 1: and then we could have better quality black shoes in
Speaker 1: the community. King wouldn't have had the ship. So you're saying,
Speaker 1: you're saying, they're stealing our potential leaders and best from
Speaker 1: us by feeding them to alligators for their own entertainment.
Speaker 1: And even worse now, they put that alligator that they
Speaker 1: used to murder those black babies on a polo shirt
Speaker 1: that they sell for for seventy dollars and put a
Speaker 1: pastel color on it and make it seem like it's
Speaker 1: an expensive, uh illustrious brand. This is wild, la cost.
Speaker 1: Shame on you for that thing that we just created
Speaker 1: as a fictional thing that you did. They're just taught us. Man,
Speaker 1: here's another fun one, and maybe this will be our
Speaker 1: last one. This is a fun one, and I'm very
Speaker 1: excited for this one. Chanel. The label Chanelle, which is
Speaker 1: those two sees that are inter linked, that are not
Speaker 1: facing each other, but are still linked in the middle.
Speaker 1: What's racist about Chanelle? Damn? Oh, this is this is interesting,
Speaker 1: you know you. I realized also that now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just be playing this game constantly with myself. So fun.
Speaker 1: It's a fun game. I'm so happy I came up
Speaker 1: with him. Damn. Okay, Chanelle, Chanelle, Oh all right, got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. There was a guy
Speaker 1: I think his name was reverend, like Joseph Lowry or something.
Speaker 1: He gave the benediction at Obama's first inauguration. But there
Speaker 1: was a point where he was like where he started
Speaker 1: saying this sort of little chance was like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you brown stick around, if you black, stay back.
Speaker 1: If you white, you all right? All right? He was
Speaker 1: like the days of that are gone. That was kind
Speaker 1: of his his like moment, right he was where motherfucker's
Speaker 1: were like, oh that nigga spit. But um, I think
Speaker 1: that the Chanel logo is a visual metaphor for if
Speaker 1: you black, get back, because it's like the sea, which
Speaker 1: stands for colored, like walking towards you, but then there's
Speaker 1: another shoe that's like, nah, you gotta go back. He's
Speaker 1: being turned around. It's like a mirror image. It's like
Speaker 1: the person being redirected in the direction that they were
Speaker 1: supposed to be in their mind. Right, Like the first
Speaker 1: sea is like I would like to eat at the
Speaker 1: lunch counter, and the second sea was like they said,
Speaker 1: I can't come in, you can't get the sandwich. Man.
Speaker 1: You fucking nailed it. The only thing I could come
Speaker 1: up with was caucasion. See for call and see for casi. Wow, occasion, Well,
Speaker 1: I only damn, I'm only calling white people casion. Occasionally,
Speaker 1: these occasions over here, that's some casion activity. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: occasions acting up. This was fun. This is a great time. Nate.
Speaker 1: Can you tell the people at home where they can
Speaker 1: find you any cool ship you have going on to
Speaker 1: look out for? Uh? What what do y'all need to know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm on Twitter, I tweet about poems
Speaker 1: and ship that makes me laugh and uh, I'm at
Speaker 1: illuminate Mike's m I cs all one word on there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just google me. I write poems by
Speaker 1: my book whatever God and God bless you, but by
Speaker 1: his goddamn book before I get upset? Idiots, what are
Speaker 1: you listening to this? Or if you're not gonna buy
Speaker 1: his book, dummy? In the next book I'm putting, I'm
Speaker 1: putting this my Angeloo poem, So get ready for that one.
Speaker 1: That's just gonna be the whole cover is the Maya
Speaker 1: Angelo poem. And then you open up for Nate's work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: preorder that book. It's what's it's gonna be called The
Speaker 1: Last Niggers and Parents beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece. And as always,
Speaker 1: you can find me at Lenkston Kerman. And please, if
Speaker 1: you have any drops, if you have any conspiracy theories,
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