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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another spectacular episode of My

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Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep

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Speaker 1: work to prove that a Marie Stoudemeyer is the only

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Speaker 1: person who can truly bring it into the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

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Speaker 1: The man is going to fix everything for us. That

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Speaker 1: in Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner kent't. Jared Kushner can't dunk

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Speaker 1: on a nigga, a Marie Stoudemeyer. Now that's the motherfucker

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Speaker 1: Lanks and Kerman, as always, I'm I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. My guests today, Oh man, I guess today

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Speaker 1: Oh what's up? What's up? I feel like I feel

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Speaker 1: this could be rough every day. You're an author, man,

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Speaker 1: me more, get dig me into this. Okay. So first

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Speaker 1: it's it's a crazy white person definitely that owns Timberland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Since this? Absolutely? They're a great shoe there, I kind

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Speaker 1: a there's very little doubt in your mind. What's the

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Speaker 1: two person? Where's what's that coming from? Uh? Maybe jay

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Speaker 1: just just specifically the knowles Carter's specifically that specifically jay

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Speaker 1: next book is strictly gonna be racist across sticks and

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00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: be like Moon Cricket, making our own nation, creating and cool,

422
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: cutting edge cutting with a k cutting edge technology that no,

423
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: I I do think that to your point, there is

424
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: a fair amount of stuff that like retroactively gets labeled

425
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: as like coon shit or like unacceptable things for the

426
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote black community. And sometimes this ship was cool

427
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: and then we realized later that it has a product

428
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: problematic nature to it. Absolutely absolute. My mom has a

429
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: her favorite book growing up was a Little Black Sambo.

430
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: She didn't know. She was just like, the book has

431
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: a little black boy and it's cold. Yeah, I like it.

432
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: It makes me feel seen and unfortunately I shouldn't be

433
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: seen this way, but I didn't know that. I was

434
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: a kid. But literal coon ship. Yeah, let's talk Tims.

435
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk Tims. Okay, here's one of the things

436
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: that I discovered in my research about the this Timberland

437
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: controversy is that Timberland claims to have zero connection to

438
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: the KKK, right, absolutely zero connection to the KKK. And

439
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: it was in fact founded by a dude, uh named

440
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Nathan Nathan Schwartz in nineteen fifty two. And you guessed it.

441
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: He's a Jewish guy. And so his whole point is, uh,

442
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: what connection would I possibly gain in or would be

443
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: the reasoning and me connecting with the KKK? He said,

444
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: It's a completely absurd suggestion and there's no validity to it. Okay,

445
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: now here's where it gets exciting. The reality is that

446
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: that conspiracy theory actually came from a poem. It's it's

447
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: a miracle if you will that you came to us

448
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: with this, because you are a fantastic poet. But the

449
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: conspiracy itself came from a poem that was being spread

450
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: around in March of all over the internet, and it

451
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: was being attributed to Maya Angelou. There's a poem that

452
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: was going around that Maya Angelou apparently wrote that actually,

453
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: uh makes all kinds of suggestions about like the various

454
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: like communities that are connected. Like it's part of where

455
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: that Tommy Hill figure calling you nigger came from. That

456
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Like that thing that everybody said was an Preah episode

457
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: was actually from this poem. And there's like things where

458
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: they it gets real problematic. At one point they go,

459
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: you come up in the world wearing versace clothes made

460
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: by a homosexual male. So even when you say you

461
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: are straight, it is very hard to tell. It's a

462
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: wild piece of writing, right, But when we get to

463
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the Timberland section of it all, it goes, uh, let

464
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: me make sure and for footwear you wear Timberland's even

465
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: under the sun that same tree that's the symbol for

466
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: them could have been the same one your ancestors were

467
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: hung from. Wow. And then it's as many people reclaim

468
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: your status in this world and in your life. Fubou

469
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: in case you didn't know, stands for for us by

470
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: us buying black will someday suffice. Do you know who

471
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: owns Timberland fashion? Well, Timberland is owned by the president

472
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: of the KKK. Surprise, don't be read more books. Black

473
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: people always hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

474
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: You may not get what you pay for, but you'll

475
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: surely pay for what you get. I like that because

476
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: earlier it had like the rhyme scheme, and then it

477
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: was like funk that. Yeah, I got knowledge to drop

478
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: this ship too important. I can't be rhyming on its

479
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: naked the all day. I gotta talk that talk. Wow,

480
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: that's wait? Was this? This is absolutely not a mind?

481
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: No know? How dare you sir? How dare you? How

482
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: should hang up this zoom call? Right now? Is this?

483
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: I know it's not. But the world in which this

484
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: is my andrelu poem is it's a world? Yeah. I

485
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: would love for Maya Angeloud to be like just writing

486
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: about Timberland and being super homophobic, like what if, what

487
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: if that was just like the poem she did at

488
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: like the Clinton inauguration. She was just like, if that

489
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: could be the same truth she did that in the

490
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: middle of poetic justice. I love that. It's so Maya

491
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: Angelou did not write this poem, and in fact, her

492
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: representatives when this poem began to circulate as a quote

493
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: unquote Maya Angelou poem, uh immediately jumped on it. And

494
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: their response is so funny because they basically said, look,

495
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: that's clearly not a my Angelou poem, and we are

496
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: offended that you would think writing this terrible would come

497
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: from my Angelo. They weren't even offended by the ideas.

498
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: They're like, this is a bad piece of writing, and

499
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: my girl writes good. This is trash. They were like,

500
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: this ship has no bars. Yeah, well I love that. Damn.

501
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I hope to one day like get there where people

502
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: are just like putting my name on ship. I did

503
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: not say that's pretty cool. That's like, that's a different level.

504
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: That's like Maya like fucking Mark Twain and Shakespeare. Yeah,

505
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: And so part of the reason that I think that

506
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: it begans circulating that way is because in the year

507
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: when it's sort of is becoming a thing, right, this

508
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: poem that's being posted all over the internet, there aren't

509
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: real ways of tracing things. And it's a poem about

510
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: like black life and black struggle in America, And the

511
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 1: name most synonymous with black poetry at that time is

512
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: my Angelou. That's that's who you would go to for

513
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: this information. So it became almost like a weird game

514
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: of telephone, if you will. Right, Yeah, I know why

515
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: the cage bird sings because you know, wearing like Berberry,

516
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: like what incredible wild So the so this happens and

517
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: then it starts to kind of uh snowball, right that

518
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: after we start seeing this poem circulating on the internet.

519
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: Then there's this quote that gets attributed to the CEO

520
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: of Timberland. And at this point they're not naming the CEO,

521
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: but they're on this site called NAHA Daily Report a

522
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: posted that basically quote saying Timberland's new appointed CEO lost

523
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: it at its at a earnings press conference and revealed

524
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: that he'd rather not see blacks and Latinos in his

525
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: boots during the summertime, admitting that it's just tacky to

526
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: wear boots in the summer, their work boots. But let's

527
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: be honest, they don't like work is what he was

528
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: supposed to have upset. Wow, Oh my god, I wish

529
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: this was all very true. Well I want this Netflix documentary.

530
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. Wow. So many New York motherfucker's I know

531
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: would just be deeply hurt and offended by by such

532
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: a statement because all they do is wear boots the right.

533
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Not only are you telling me I don't work, but

534
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: also you're discrediting my entire fashion, my entire sense of

535
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: self when you say ship like that. So it gets

536
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: it gets even more fascinating because it's site Naha, Daily

537
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: Report Apparently it's no longer a website, or at least

538
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: not a very high functioning one. But not how Daily

539
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: Report was was a predecessor to the onion that it

540
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: was meant to be like a ironic website where they

541
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: make jokes and ship. But as you can clearly see,

542
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: that's not a good fucking joke. That's just a fake

543
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: thing you put on the internet and like cause chaos

544
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: and dissension amongst the community. Damn. Wow again, huh but

545
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: is this is this a joke or is this like

546
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: the joke that's true. M because I'm talking, I'm just

547
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: saying this doesn't still doesn't seem un untrue to me.

548
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, yes, yes, okay, the founder was Jewish,

549
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: that's true. But presumably right this founder he had business partners,

550
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: he had other people in the business. They probably weren't

551
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, many black folks, if any any in Puerto

552
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Ricans and Mexicans, Asian folks. It was a bunch of

553
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: white people, and so it just chances are there was

554
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: somebody in there who was clanning it up. Okay, I'm

555
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: glad you're saying this, because up to this point we've

556
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: at least I thought we were working to uh discredit

557
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: some of this theory. But you're like, nah, funk that.

558
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm still not sold. They're not sold. Double down, my friend,

559
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: because in right, hip hop has started to take over

560
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: their investing big in Timberland, and Timberland is sort of

561
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: becoming a brand of the urban youth. But the Timberland

562
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: executives are not necessarily bought into that yet. Right. So,

563
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: in in a New York Times interview, the then VP

564
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Swartz, which is the grandson of the original Swartz,

565
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Nathan Swartz, who was in charge of this ship, actually

566
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: said in an interview, Timberland is being adopted by a

567
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: consumer that we didn't know existed relative to our target audience,

568
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: which he described as honest, hardworking people. So basically he said, like,

569
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: these niggas grabbing it and we ain't really planned for them.

570
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: And also they're not honest or hardworking the way that

571
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: we were aiming. This is some mother ship that ain't

572
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: honest and hardworking, and we don't know what to do

573
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: with that. Listen, listen, y'all, stay woke. Sounds sounds clan adjacent.

574
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: And that's from the New York Times. That's not even no,

575
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that's a real article from the New York Times. And

576
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: and he goes on to basically explain that, like, it

577
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: just wasn't the demographic that they were aiming for, right,

578
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: that when they created Timberland, it was meant to be

579
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: a work boot for working people and the working people

580
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: that he was imagining. And he doesn't quite say this,

581
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: but it's all implied in the undertext. Is is white

582
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: working class people and white working class once again, Yeah, exactly,

583
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: And he's completely ignoring the fact that many of the

584
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: black people that are wearing tims are working class people too,

585
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: who just happened to spend their money differently. Absolutely, this

586
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, Martin Luther King that niggas was

587
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: marching two shoes. I don't think you're wrong. And it's

588
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: so he catches a lot of flak for that, right, Like,

589
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: people get pretty upset at the idea of this guy

590
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: basically saying like I, in essence, I don't want niggas

591
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: wearing my boots, or at least that wasn't the plan.

592
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: And so Timberland then has to do a lot of

593
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: fixing and re evaluating in terms of their relationship with

594
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: the black community. And it's not until like the late

595
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: nineties that Timberland starts to really like invest in black advertisement,

596
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: that they start to really like put the TAMS ads

597
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: in the Vibe magazines and start to reassociate themselves with

598
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: the hip hop artists intentionally and not just like on

599
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: accident with Nas rapping about it or Biggie rapping about it. Listen,

600
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, ghost Face Killer is the fucking

601
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: civil rights leader of our time. No one's gonna convince

602
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: me otherwise, nobody convinced me foot ghost face foot ghost

603
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: face on the monument because that he's it. That's all

604
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: we need is I want one of them, one of them,

605
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: like posters that you buy on the side of the

606
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: road where someone's also something shade butter and black soap.

607
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: We're like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X like playing

608
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: pool with Obama and I want ghost Face. They're like

609
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: shooting dice in the corner. Yeah, I love that. I

610
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: want one of those Tyrese paintings. Tyrese made that beautiful

611
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: painting where it was wait wait wait wait, wait wait

612
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: wait about this nigga. No, okay, well we'll wake up. Brother.

613
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: There's other artists out here other than Picasso. There's other

614
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: artists out here. Then then then your Bosskiyats a brother

615
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: named Tyrese Gibson of Fast and Furious fame, made a

616
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: beautiful painting in which Malcolm X is baptizing Tupac in

617
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: a river. As I believe Martin Luther King looks on,

618
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: I've seen Tyrese made that. That's a Tyrese Gibson original.

619
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: Put that up in your home. Oh my god, you

620
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: should be so lucky to get the original of that

621
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: Wow Baby Boy. Yeah, No, he did that, and he's

622
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: continuing to do the work, and we don't give him

623
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: enough credit. It should be ghost Face and Tyrese Gibson

624
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: as the the greatest civil rights leaders we have and

625
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp. For some reason, I think Shannon Sharp does

626
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: a lot of does a lot of good work for

627
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: the black community. Uh, he's just mush mouth, so we

628
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: can never tell what he's saying. I love Shannon Sharp.

629
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: The excellent memes. There's some excellent meme work, great names,

630
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: the bug eyed sweaty Man. I love that he deserves

631
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: he works, he works hard. Okay, So this is where

632
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: I think it gets even more interesting. So the quote

633
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: that we were talking about goes on in the conversation.

634
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: He went on to say, if you hear that hip

635
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: hop kids are wearing Timberland boots and women are wearing

636
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Timberland boots with sun dresses at a Donna Karen fashion show,

637
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: that's a coin in current dollars. But how in the

638
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: world is that sustainable? So he's basically asking the question

639
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: how long is hip hop gonna last? And so in retrospect,

640
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: he now knows hip hop is going to become the

641
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: biggest industry in all of music and like the most

642
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: profitable of all of like the music forms, and so

643
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Timberland then has to realize that and fix that. And

644
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: so in the late nineties is when they start introducing

645
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: all the TEMs with like the custom colors and like

646
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: the weird designs and ship. And it's because they started

647
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: fully being aware that, like, oh, ship, hip hop is

648
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and we can't just keep servicing a

649
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes who are only gonna buy work boots

650
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: every five years, right, I mean that's the thing is,

651
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: like if you're like fashionable, you'll you'll buy a new

652
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: shoe every season or more. But yeah, if you're like

653
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: actually using temps to like go to work, right, you

654
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: buy them ship and then you don't buy something until

655
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 1: the next decade. Yeah, I'm not gonna keep buying more

656
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: every but like dude who's really into thims and wants

657
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: to look fly by a new pair every month, and

658
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: like that's that's real money that you could be gaining.

659
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: And so they I think they figured out that, like

660
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: this is the brand we need to invest in and

661
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: stop playing like this is a hard working man's boot. Yeah,

662
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, maybe the most expensive show I ever

663
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: bought in my life was like a Timberland streetwear mashup short,

664
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: one of them supreme type energies of life. They were

665
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: like very high and they had this like they were

666
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: like Grace Swaye. Yeah, felt like walking on babysuits. But damn, wow,

667
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: that's you really you really like actually researched. Yeah, I

668
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: take my time with it. Here's here. So Timberland, after this, uh,

669
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: this debacle, if you will, this issue with offending the

670
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: black community or offending the hip hop community, then sort

671
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: of like tries to rebrand itself as like a cool

672
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: brand that deals in in respectable politics and doesn't you know,

673
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: looks out for the community even though they're a billion

674
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: dollar industry and probably do horrible things and and whatever.

675
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and ten, Timberland once again gets

676
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: in trouble, not with the black community this time, but

677
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: Greenpeace comes after them because they claimed that Timberland has

678
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of connections with deforestation in Brazil, that like,

679
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: they are responsible for farmers who are cutting down massive

680
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: amounts of the rainforests so that they can basically set

681
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: up cattle farms and then sell Timberland back the cow hide.

682
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: Damn you know what I'm gonna quick. Okay, hold on,

683
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: you're about to talk that talk because I'll let you

684
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: talk that talk. Yes, let me talk that Okay, Nate,

685
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. I'm excited. I'm gonna give you thirty

686
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: seconds whenever you're ready talk that talk. All right. So

687
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: you said that Timberland is responsible for deforestation in Brazil. Word,

688
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. We know what else was

689
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: in Brazil. The majority of the slaves in the Transatlantic

690
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: slave trade. Listen, right, Brazil black is Bresils, some nigga ship.

691
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know that, right, but you

692
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: gotta stay woken. And this is the thing about it.

693
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: They deforced. And what are they doing with trees hanging

694
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: niggas ship? Cool? Motherfucking talk that talk, Nate. Okay, I

695
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: see what you're doing. It's connecting, it's starting. The math

696
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: is starting the math. We're talking about deforestation. The trees

697
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: is still the emphasis. It is a homage to the

698
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: history that they've built of hanging niggas from trees. And

699
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: they go to the most niggery place they can find mine,

700
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: which is Brazil in this scenario. Listen, ain't look, there's

701
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: no no more niggery place in the Western hemisphere. That

702
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: might be true. Honestly, I listen that. Look, I don't

703
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: have the mask, but I think that might actually be true.

704
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: It's between that and in the South side of Chicago

705
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: is one of those. It's one. It's one of Look

706
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: you ever seen capa niggas are doing martial arts and

707
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: dancing that that that is the most nigger ship because

708
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: niggas loved Bruce Lee movies and motherfucking funk records. Right,

709
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: everybody's fighting like the Black Power Rangers. So yeah, that

710
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. That makes perfect sense to me.

711
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: Now it is worth noting and uh your talk. That

712
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: talk was exceptional, but it is worth noting that Timberland

713
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: actually said that only seven percent of their cattle comes

714
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: from Brazil, and then immediately after it was like, we'll stop,

715
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: We'll just stop that. Y'all don't have to claim that

716
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: we did that anymore. And they have also like gone

717
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: out of their way to be anti racist. When like

718
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: a French fashion label, a pc UH, their CEO came

719
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: out in the middle of a big conference and basically

720
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: like went on stage and said, uh, I want to

721
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: make sure I have this right. He says, uh, I

722
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: call this one. Look last Niggas in Paris. This is

723
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: a white man. Why because it's the sweet spot when

724
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: the Hood, the Hood meets berta Locheese movie Last Tango

725
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: in Paris. So that's last Niggas in Paris and last

726
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Niggas in Paris. After an awkward pause, and then he goes, oh,

727
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad some people laughed at me. Yes, I mean,

728
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: it's nice to play with the strong signifiers. The Timberland

729
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: here is a very strong ghetto signifier. In the ghetto.

730
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: It is all the Timberland's all the big chain, not

731
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: all the same time. Never, it's bad taste. So we

732
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: designed Timberland's the Timberland. It's bad bad. I love that

733
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: because now I'm just imagining like a thug that bigging

734
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: like imagine like two chains, like like like putting on

735
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: his his chains and like about to like put like

736
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the third chain on. It's bad, that's bad taste. Put

737
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: that ship back. I got on my tempts and three chains.

738
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. Not unreasonable, that's bad taste.

739
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: So Timberland Timberland. Here's this guy go on this weird

740
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: fucking French rant and uh then they like, hey, we

741
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: can't work with you anymore, and they were celebrated as

742
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: heroes for cutting that relationship. Damn ghetto signifier is the

743
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: name of my next rapout? Now, Well, honestly, I love like,

744
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: I know that was a racist like little thing that

745
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: he just said, and I I agree, but wow, it

746
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: was just so good. Yeah. No, he was spitting, and

747
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: uh I didn't like what he was spitting. But bars

748
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: is bars you know what I mean, Like, you gotta

749
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: talk that talk. Yeah, let him shine, let him finish

750
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: your sentence, then you deal with the emotional uh feelings afterwards.

751
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: But no, funk that let him go off? I think, Damn,

752
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: is this this is how like Takashi six nine fans

753
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: must feel. Yes, it's just them being like, I don't know, bro,

754
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: he going off. I don't agree with it, but go crazy. Yeah, ship,

755
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: Look the world Look, life is yolo, yolo. Thank you Drizzy.

756
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna take my more break and we'll be back

757
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: with more name Marshall and more. My mama told me,

758
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: And we are back. If you want to reach those

759
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: kids on the Street. Then you gotta do a rep,

760
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: do a hip hop beat urban kick. My rhymes are flying,

761
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: are just sick. My crew is big and it keeps

762
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: getting bigger because Jesus Christ. Yeah, we're back here with

763
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: more Nate Marshall. We're celebrating Jesus Christ. I nigga Jesus

764
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Christ and all he does for us. Have you heard

765
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: that before? You know that song? He's the son of

766
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: the original ge You got damn right. I know that

767
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: so that I played that the other week from my

768
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: girlfriend because she was like, I was like, babe, have

769
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: you never heard that? And she was like, what are

770
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: you talking about? Have you ever you've never heard this masterpiece?

771
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: This should is like this should is like purple haze

772
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know. That's my amatic. I love that.

773
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: Y'all can have Jimmy Hendricks if you want to. I

774
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: want that old dude in a backwards hat in a

775
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: suit jacket for some reason. This is this is that's

776
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: my songs in the Key of Life. I have a

777
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: fun game for us to play, and it's a game

778
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: called make that Brand Racist. It's a very fun game

779
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: where I will introduce to you much in the way

780
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: that we are unpacking the Timberland logo and potentially connecting

781
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: it to the KKK and hanging people from trees. I

782
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: am going to introduce to you other logos that potentially

783
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: might have something insidious in their imagery, and what I

784
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: would love for you to do is just unpack it.

785
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: Help me find the racist elements of whatever this is

786
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: that worked for you. Love finding the racism. Love finding

787
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: the racism. Great. So the first logo, and I'm gonna

788
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: describe them all. I'm not even gonna show them to you.

789
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: They're all ones that you're familiar with, I'm sure, and

790
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: if you need to look them up, you absolutely can.

791
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: But the first logo is the polo logo. The man

792
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: on the horse swinging the pole low stick, the polo logo.

793
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: What's racist in there? Okay? All right? So I was

794
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: watching The Godfather the other day, right, Um, you know,

795
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: and the guyfather the like big movie executive. He has

796
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: his beautiful horse that he loves. There's a point where

797
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: the horse gets up like fucking killed the head. The

798
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: head is chopped off and left and the dude's best

799
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: it's like a threat. But you know who was taking

800
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: care of the horses niggas. That's the only black father.

801
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: It's the Moses, the only one. So okay, yeah it's

802
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: racist because niggas took care of the horses but couldn't

803
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: couldn't ride the horses. Also, did you know, and this

804
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: is actually a true fact, A bunch of the motherfucker's

805
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: and who used to win the Kentucky Derby were black

806
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: and black people were so much they had the band Niggas.

807
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: Band Niggas in like the WHOA because they get you.

808
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: The ship was it was like the fucking NBA. It's

809
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: just everybody was black. Swear to god, WHOA. I didn't

810
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: know that. Okay, there's a few things to unpack in

811
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: that statement, because number one, I love the fact that that, yes,

812
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: the black people who took care of that horse should

813
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: be in the logo as well. They should be like

814
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: posing next to the horse, like posted up and they're like, yeah,

815
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: that's my horse. I brushed his tail, I made him

816
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: look fly. And it's not just the dude who's swinging

817
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: the polo mallet that gets to be celebrated. It's some

818
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: niggas that worked hard on it. But then, holy sh it,

819
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: I had no idea that black people were banned from

820
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: horse racing. That's nuts, rue, man. I learned something new

821
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: on this podcast every day, and some of it's made up,

822
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: and I still celebrate it. Stay next logo, Okay, the

823
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: next logo. This is exciting. Look cost you know that

824
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: alligator with his mouth open. He's got a red tongue

825
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: and his mouth is opened the La cost logo. What's

826
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: racist than the La Costs logo? Oh, Dan, this is

827
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: actually a very easy one. This is very easy. You

828
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: ever heard the term gator bait? I have not, so,

829
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: so this is this thing I think. I don't know

830
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: if it was true or if it's like a sort

831
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: of urban legend, but they say that like enslavery times,

832
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: like in Florida, in like the sort of southern swampland,

833
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: like white people would use black babies like black enslaved

834
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: baby and feed them motherfucker's two alligators. And actually the

835
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: University of Florida, I think, who are the Gators right there?

836
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: That's like their football team. All that they have, like

837
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: they do like the chomp thing whatever. I think they

838
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Speaker 1: have like a gator bait song or chant or something,

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00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: and they like, you know, you know, this summer like

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00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: the George Floyd stuff, all that stuff, Brianna Taylor, all

841
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: that like happened, and people were like, you know, we're

842
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: the Washington football team now or whatever. The fun racism

843
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: and they were like, we're gonna stop there. You know,

844
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: a racist song. We're saying we ain't got that. Sorry, sorry,

845
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Speaker 1: but sweater God, he's whoa babies, man, you're killing it

846
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: right now. I didn't know. That's another fucking thing. I

847
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: didn't know Gator Bay they were feeding, or at least imagining,

848
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: feeding black slave children to alligators. That's just me. There's

849
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: not even a reasoning for it. That you're losing money,

850
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: don't you sucking up your own A little black baby

851
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: could have grown up to be a useful tool, a

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00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: nice uh a nice. He could have been a cobbler,

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00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: and then we could have better quality black shoes in

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Speaker 1: the community. King wouldn't have had the ship. So you're saying,

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00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: you're saying, they're stealing our potential leaders and best from

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: us by feeding them to alligators for their own entertainment.

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: And even worse now, they put that alligator that they

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00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: used to murder those black babies on a polo shirt

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: that they sell for for seventy dollars and put a

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00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: pastel color on it and make it seem like it's

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: an expensive, uh illustrious brand. This is wild, la cost.

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Speaker 1: Shame on you for that thing that we just created

863
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: as a fictional thing that you did. They're just taught us. Man,

864
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: here's another fun one, and maybe this will be our

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00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: last one. This is a fun one, and I'm very

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00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: excited for this one. Chanel. The label Chanelle, which is

867
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: those two sees that are inter linked, that are not

868
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: facing each other, but are still linked in the middle.

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Speaker 1: What's racist about Chanelle? Damn? Oh, this is this is interesting,

870
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: you know you. I realized also that now I'm gonna

871
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: just be playing this game constantly with myself. So fun.

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00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: It's a fun game. I'm so happy I came up

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Speaker 1: with him. Damn. Okay, Chanelle, Chanelle, Oh all right, got it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. There was a guy

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: I think his name was reverend, like Joseph Lowry or something.

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: He gave the benediction at Obama's first inauguration. But there

877
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: was a point where he was like where he started

878
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: saying this sort of little chance was like, you know,

879
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: if you brown stick around, if you black, stay back.

880
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: If you white, you all right? All right? He was

881
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: like the days of that are gone. That was kind

882
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: of his his like moment, right he was where motherfucker's

883
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: were like, oh that nigga spit. But um, I think

884
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: that the Chanel logo is a visual metaphor for if

885
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: you black, get back, because it's like the sea, which

886
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: stands for colored, like walking towards you, but then there's

887
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: another shoe that's like, nah, you gotta go back. He's

888
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: being turned around. It's like a mirror image. It's like

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00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: the person being redirected in the direction that they were

890
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be in their mind. Right, Like the first

891
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: sea is like I would like to eat at the

892
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: lunch counter, and the second sea was like they said,

893
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: I can't come in, you can't get the sandwich. Man.

894
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: You fucking nailed it. The only thing I could come

895
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: up with was caucasion. See for call and see for casi. Wow, occasion, Well,

896
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: I only damn, I'm only calling white people casion. Occasionally,

897
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: these occasions over here, that's some casion activity. Yeah, these

898
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: occasions acting up. This was fun. This is a great time. Nate.

899
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: Can you tell the people at home where they can

900
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: find you any cool ship you have going on to

901
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: look out for? Uh? What what do y'all need to know?

902
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm on Twitter, I tweet about poems

903
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: and ship that makes me laugh and uh, I'm at

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Speaker 1: illuminate Mike's m I cs all one word on there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Just google me. I write poems by

906
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: my book whatever God and God bless you, but by

907
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: his goddamn book before I get upset? Idiots, what are

908
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: you listening to this? Or if you're not gonna buy

909
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: his book, dummy? In the next book I'm putting, I'm

910
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: putting this my Angeloo poem, So get ready for that one.

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00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: That's just gonna be the whole cover is the Maya

912
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: Angelo poem. And then you open up for Nate's work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: preorder that book. It's what's it's gonna be called The

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Speaker 1: Last Niggers and Parents beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece. And as always,

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Speaker 1: you can find me at Lenkston Kerman. And please, if

916
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: you have any drops, if you have any conspiracy theories,

917
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: if you have any cool stuff that you think that

918
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: I should be aware of, or you want to hear

919
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast, please send that to my Mama pod

920
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. I would love to hear from you,

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01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: like and subscribe to the podcast. I love when people

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Speaker 1: say mean things, so go crazy on that. Otherwise by