WEBVTT - Conversation with a Square 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.000 The history of the country is always important. The only 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:07.000 time American history isn't important is when it comes to 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:15.600 black people. I love fucking Flip. You don't know, guys 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.320 have some cool old rappers down there, they dude, Flip 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.360 was supposed to be the one from Houston. Yeah, he 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.960 went platinum, but like it was, they marketed the hell 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.240 out of that thing, and it's like, I feel like 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.840 they oversaturated the world with Flip and he never could 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.680 recover from himself. Now I wouldn't know oversaturation. It was 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:40.360 a t high saturation T I like JA ruled because 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.440 it was it was a gang of people that got 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.160 on Flip from that and he took such a such 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.000 an all on it that it was hard to overcome it. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.479 But we have been listening to Flip man all of that. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.600 I mean, but that's really close to beat Rules though, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:01:00.840 right there? No ceilings? Yeah, man, Pete, I got my 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.480 boy Van lengthen in the house. What up? What up? 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:10.120 What up? Van? Um? Van? What's crazy is I was 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:14.160 telling my uh my partner, my partner, Joey west Side, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.039 and I was like, yeah, me and Van got a 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.199 lot in comment. And I think because people think because 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.479 you're a gang banger, like it's a monolithic thing. And 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.800 I was like, yeah, we we probably watched the same 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.520 type of ship. We probably look at the same type 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.240 of ship. And he just thought that was so crazy. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.280 And I think in our community, you know what I'm saying, 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.320 Like as as far as just the overall idea of 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.880 the black I want to be dies for. But I 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.160 think it's one dimension to people interest Like I think 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.000 people mean when you black and me, you gotta be 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.960 a funk up. So I think for people that are 0:01:53.040 --> 0:02:00.280 not funck ups, they probably get a harder, harder. Um, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.960 somebody might tell them they're trying to be white. Yeah, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:11.760 And I think black has become such an attachment And 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.440 don't jump in, Pete, I want everybody to look at 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:25.040 you crazy. Oh no, I'm say because I don't want 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.880 to be like Pete, Ni Pete what I was saying, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:35.960 because it's like, uh, it's um. I just think it's 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.639 a it's a negative stigma that comes with it, you know. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.720 I mean, so the longest it's cultured for me is 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.520 very much black to me, That's all it really is, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.280 is cultured. And I think me and King Los talked 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.880 about this, that's all it is is culture. So it 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.880 don't got to be a raggedy culture. It just needs 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:01.920 to be cultured. They need to have us finesse and swag. Look, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:07.440 I think one thing that is it's different is and 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.480 the Internet is doing this to a degree, like a 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.119 homogenizing thing. So dances that's popping in New York get 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.919 popping in Baton Rouge super quick, and you know kind 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.480 of you know, and you go everywhere like I would 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.880 go home the last couple of times I've been home. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.240 You know, we still got our own swaging battle. But 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.960 but but you but you'd also see guys dressing like 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.240 guys in l A or guys in Miami, or guys 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.880 in New York just because they can see its so 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.640 easily on the internet now, right and to a degree 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.080 of main stream and to to a degree of mainstream 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.160 um and to a degree it was always stuff like 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.720 that right wherever you was, it was it was dope 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.680 and ninety five to have some health figure on or 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.840 whatever it was. So that hasn't changed even out here. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.280 My boy Trash is like that. He's a super big 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.600 New York. Well, to be real with you, I never 0:03:54.640 --> 0:04:00.280 forget Snoop created a frenzy in baton rouge. Well not 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.520 I wouldn't say all over bad ruge, but definitely at 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.200 my school because he performed on Saturday Night Live and 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.000 he had this whole. He'll figure like like suit on 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.640 this whole. He'll figure like it's like a wind break. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.000 He'll figure wind type suit. I can't remember, like a 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.279 jumpsuit or something like that. And Nichols was crazy like 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.840 where the fund you get that from? Where you get 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.800 that from? So it's always been that way to a degree, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.400 but I think back to your point is like for 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.919 me one of my homies that got killed back in 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.719 the day, it was like Van, Yo, you're a cool 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.040 lass nigga. Like you cool bro, cool, you hoop, you 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.479 do all of this. You just need to do a 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.640 little dirt. He was like, he was like your life 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.520 away just at you just need to do a little dirt. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.960 Yeah right right, you know you need to do a 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.840 little dirt. And I'm like, well why, Like for me, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.000 that wouldn't be a thing, right, It's like to to 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:57.960 I know guys that got caught up and do their 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.800 things for all different types of reasons, but it was 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.280 it wasn't a thing for me, and you know, you 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.560 know we lost DELV right, that was weird too. That 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.200 was tripping he was. But at the same time he 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.719 was saying, I got I got what he was saying. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.880 He was trying to say, really get down with me, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.520 like we like I can come over here and play 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.120 the video game with you, I can hoop with you, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.279 but there's a way that you can really get down 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.320 with me. And and that's my thing, Like all of 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.160 that ship is means to an end, Like niggas don't 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.080 do dirt, Like if you're just doing dirt, cause just 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.560 to do dirt, that's kind of weird to me. And 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.720 and I know niggas that do that. And I tell 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.680 him all the time because you're a weird though, Bro, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.479 like some cold niggas. I haven't told Bro, you were weirdough, Like, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.080 it's all means to an end. You sell drugs to 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.159 make money. I don't sell drugs to look cool. Yeah, 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.760 I mean, you don't gang bang to look cool. You 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.360 you you gang bang because you're standing up these your 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.000 partners and you already I was explaining this to um 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.600 to my little homie Ron yesterday. Ron is a chuck 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:05.800 distels and Ron was shout out to grown. But he 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.520 always post these really negative things about gang banging, and 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.359 I'm like, I feel you, But I think when you 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.240 post about other things that carry the same negative connotations, 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.800 you don't focus on those things. But see, you had 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.440 to Tea, you have to scoom me on that a 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.400 little bit because for and to the point that you 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.600 were making before, right, making look a lot worse than 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.160 it is. Well, yeah, and the brothers do, yeah, right, 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.040 And so to to the point that you were making before. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.760 So there's a certain survival metrics or there's a mechanism 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.400 of blackness that most black people understand, right. I wouldn't 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.640 even say most, I'd say a lot of black people understand. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.599 Like I'm from South bat Rouge, Louisiana, and being from there, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.760 there's in it an experience that goes along with that. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:56.800 And it's like, even if you're not that, you're of that, right, Yea, 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:02.080 that's been around, right, and so, but they're just like 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.320 there were people hustling then, just like there were people 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.279 doing that stuff when there was people that got up 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.640 with the work every day, came home and and and 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.800 and so I don't know how that gets represented as 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.280 the the entirety of it. But to your point, when 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.400 I first I used that same judgment against that when 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.120 I was talking to you the first time we had 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:27.560 the podcast. Yeah like we like we we we. When 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.120 we were doing the podcast, I was the connotiation in 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.240 my mind around gang banking was negative. And since I've 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:39.520 been in l A, it's totally changed. It's totally changed 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:48.680 because I've met so many people that are good, brothers, good, good, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.480 don't even good, don't even begin to describe it. Is 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.600 that a good because of her, a good in spite 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.520 of It's none of the above. It's just it has 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.800 nothing to do with the who they are, have to 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.880 do with the non correlative. It's just like the dudes 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.760 that I know, you don't have to you don't have 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.960 to throw your life away because you're a gang member. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.960 I think that's the belief, and I understand because there's 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.080 a criminal what's called criminal, but it's not really a criminal, right, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:26.320 It's it's an outlaw, right, whereas there's a criminal consequence. Well, yes, right, 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.800 But I think, um, like, it's homies that I grew 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.120 up with. They had jobs the whole time. It's homies 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.360 I grew up with. That's from the hood, that's going 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.720 to college, that trash truck union driver from one of 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.480 my homies and got a full scholarship, joined the army, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.559 and so so what what what I'm saying is the 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.920 way it's positioned, right, especially if you're I didn't. They 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.160 didn't have gangs and Barugel's growing up, not Cristin Bloods, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.120 not Cristal Bloods. And it was other ways that you 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.160 represented that right, would be the South against whatever again, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.680 you know whatever, um, But what they showed us, even 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.800 on that little joint that came on HBO, that like 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.160 I used to always watch the Little Bang banging a 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.520 little rock, or when you watch movies you see stuff. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.480 It was like Chris and Bloods sit um in rooms 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:18.880 all day and try to figure out how to kill 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.800 each other. Sure, and it's never in disciple. And there 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.680 is some of that, of course, very mental, but I 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:30.720 didn't see it as just almost intra community lifestyle or 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.480 I didn't have any real frame of reference, so it's 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.199 easy to tell me whatever it was. So I got 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.320 you in the podcast. I was trying to convince you 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.640 at gang bangers, but it's not just you, and I 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.760 don't want you to think that it's just you though, man, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:52.280 because um, it's so so. Ron is from here. Ron 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.920 grew up in the center of Raymond Avenue Cripts right Raymond, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.640 and he felt that way. And I'm like, bro, like 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.400 I get it that you have had negative experiences like 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.480 he's talked about like his pops not being around. Feel 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.400 like he was more dedicated to the hood, which I 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.480 told him, like they don't have nothing to do with 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.360 the gang, Like, don't think that. Nobody in the hood 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:19.120 is like, man, funk your kids come and got with USA, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.520 like you put everything behind the MafA. And and I've 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.480 never heard none of my homies black man. Don't be 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.040 a good dad. Come hang out with us, nigga. We're 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.680 feel gonna do this fun your kids. Like nobody talks 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.960 like that, and I think people tend to highlight it. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:39.400 But gangs have such a different so many different people 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.200 do so many things. You know what I'm saying. Everybody 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.680 nobody tells you to throw If you're actually doing well, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.960 people will for the majority most people, especially to all 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.760 the dudes, to be like leave him alone, don't funk 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.240 his ship up, let him go. When you decide to 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.560 throw away your life, you know what I'm saying that's 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.760 when they will show you how to do it and 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.840 have your best chance to stay alive. I haven't said 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:09.560 all of this was there, and there it was portrayed 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.120 that there was this particular point in the history of 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.760 l A where game violence was really, really bad and 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.440 we were losing a lot of brothers to it. True 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:25.480 or false, I mean yes, But everywhere poor people are 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.800 like in bad rules, there's gonna be spikes and crime, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:34.120 even violent crimes. So when the opportunities are at their lowest, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.959 people fight the hardest, or when they're trying to Howard said, opportunity, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.560 the most violence happens. So when when when drugs came 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.960 and crack came and it starts being like don't come 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.120 over here near where I'm trying to get money. And 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.560 some of that also a power vacuum element because when 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.760 the sets are kind of young, when when when gang 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.440 culture was kind of younger, you're when you're drawing out lines, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.800 there's gonna be conflicts over those lines. Yeah, that's like 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.360 early but I like but yeah, but I'm saying, but 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.240 I'm saying that's not crazy, um, because it's a combination 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.280 of a few things. But power you know, poor people, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.080 all they have is reputation. Prime example. Right, we talked 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.079 about it before. It's like when you watch Um New 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.280 Jack City, which is a movie, like I said, inspired 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.400 by Phoenix Mitchell. Like if you read it and talk 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:30.640 about it, the whole movie, right is um. The whole 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.679 theme of the movie is we all we got. That 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.200 was the theme of their click, right until they got 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.920 some money, until they got some bitches, until they got 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:49.319 some power. When they had power, women and money, g 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.760 money didn't mean nothing, right, I'm not g money off. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.200 So when you pour right poverty, reputation is everything because 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.920 all you have is who you are, what people heard 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.520 about you. And that exists across racial lines. But they 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.760 don't have nothing. You read Outliers by by Malcolm Gladwell. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.000 He talks about the honor code and the honor society 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.960 that exists in the appellations to where these are poor 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.160 white people who their last name is everything to them. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.960 You stand them in the eyes, they're gonna be they 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.960 you're looking to do hard noyes and look what the 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.640 funk you looking at? Half filling them of course, right, yeah, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.360 they're ready to get down right. So, and that exists 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.840 if you come, people talk about that ship. But if 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.679 you come down and if you find yourself in a 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.640 in a place like Dinner Springs or places like that, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.360 and Matt Rouge and white boys gonna fight you. They're 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.280 gonna fight you. Like out here always say that are 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.920 white people kind of know how to mind in California, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.520 they're not really trying to engage you. Remember the Boondocks 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.320 And uh, he was like when he was trying to 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.760 get the white man into the nigga moment. White that's 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.600 why people here that's not white people in the South. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.680 White people in the South is fully with the nigga moments. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.960 They will engage you in these nigga moments. And for 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.400 some reason where you're from is like that. I don't 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.120 know why the white people in Orange County is are 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.080 you from with these crazy white people? Only a small 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.600 little spot that's that. That's true. And um that's because 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.440 um I grew up in Newport, Okay. So the area 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:30.320 where that would be true. Santa Anna, Santa kind of 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.960 like you're gonna get to yea And they got their 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.080 own kind of little things and they got a watergate, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.840 they got a real watergate. Crib gang. That's will knock 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.720 your ship off or is that like Santa Sign Watergate? 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.600 Watergate is a crib. DJ pulls from Watergate. I did 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.680 not know that. I did not know that. J No, No, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.760 He's from Watergate in l A. So there the original 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.480 Watergate started in l A. Right, So it's DJ pulls 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:01.320 from Watergate. Mike smull grew up in Watergate a couple 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.320 of other people, but they started a branch in Santa 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.280 Ana and m niggas is crazy. Shout out to my 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.440 way deep Tanna, but damn Niggas is crazy. So it 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.400 was like you saw the movie American History X. Of course, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.120 Venice for a long long time. You can go around 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:18.880 Venice and if you you know how to look at 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.480 the bills, there's a couple of areas and you go, wow, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.800 this looks like a giant old refurbished section eight block 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.080 and there's a huge one of the middle of vents. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.480 And Venice was was like the poor beach of l 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.880 A County. Huntington Beach was that in Orange County. A 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.080 lot of people moved up blue collar from the South 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:39.000 and went over there, and it's just the it's just 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:44.040 where the lower white people down there lived. So if 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.440 you got bounced out a county or state or whatever, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.320 and you were going to move back to your general area, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.640 that's where you could afford. Like my dad's two brothers, 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.040 my grandpa lived over there after he had divorce and 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.200 the disease and stuff, but they were pretty they both, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.560 you know, to strike guys, each of them and like, yeah, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.080 I mean there's there's there's active skin heads in the 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.200 beast were they kind of got out and say priced out. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.480 But it's not a big thing like it used to be. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.280 But it's yeah, it's a it's a blue collar mentality 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.880 and guys who start doing ship and meth happened to 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.200 whatever else. Then you know, you go, you get in trouble, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.240 you can come back. And some guy comes back and 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.000 he's got a little bit of cloud at state and 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.160 then everyone wants to be play tough guy and all 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.000 that ship. I mean, prop poverty, you will bring it 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.000 out of you. Man. Everybody talks about what they want do, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.200 but you just don't. You don't know. And and I 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.720 was saying this to him yesterday because he he made 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.000 it like this revenge thing was just like this gang 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.680 banger thing, and I'm like, bro, this country for example, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:56.200 right when nine eleven happens, right, and whatever this country 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.240 is doing to push those people to feel like, yeah, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.800 we need to do something to really fuck America up. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.160 Let's let's say we're not even talking about that. Let's 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.639 focus on nine eleven itself. So once they came in 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.600 and and ram those planes into those buildings, and they 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.680 and they made they move and those people died, America 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.840 could have said, hey, you know what, this is uncivilized behavior. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.680 We're not going to retaliate with you. We're gonna sit 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.840 down with you. We're gonna have a meeting and we're 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.600 gonna figure out how to come to some kind of agreement, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.640 and we're gonna resolve this. We're gonna take that loss, 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.480 and we're gonna let this loss represent how mankind should 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.159 come together. And retaliation is not the answer. Funck, no, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.040 that's not what we're doing. We're gonna get right to it. Yeah, well, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:53.440 at that point, they so at that point, it's that's 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.320 an interesting It's not poverty, and poverty is not Poverty 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.840 is not the way in that situation. I mean, so 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.479 two things happened. Number one is they did that and 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.200 then they did it wrong in a wrong headed way. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.000 They used it to justify the Iraq war, which Iraq 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.240 didn't have anything to do with nine eleven, okay, Um, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.919 And it was easy to sell the thing because everybody 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.720 was upset, but they didn't have anything to do with it. Uh. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.159 And so in that situation, when you're talking about geo politics, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:30.080 there is a level of well, we have to at 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.120 least show to the world that we're the wrong motherfux 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:39.680 is to attack right, Oh, you feel right, right, right? Right, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.920 right right? So I see the point, um, to also 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.800 be able to establish a respect level to come to 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:52.840 the table with integrity. Yeah, they took a minute because 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.800 because we there was negotiation and and and and paperwork 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.359 done with Taliban in the last few years when it 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.360 had to be but I mean at that and had 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:06.320 to be respected. Well, you had to, yeah at that point. Look, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.359 if if someone launches a preintive strike against you, which 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:15.680 is essentially what uh what a terrorist action is, it's 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.640 it just depends because there are lessons from history. Okay, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.960 So there's a guy named Nevill Chamberlain. Um. Back in 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.560 the days where Adolf Hitler was first making his remember that, Yeah, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.280 back with Adolf Hitler was first first making waves or 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:36.879 whatever he was first gaining power, you proceeded Churchill, right, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.520 and so to Chamberlain decided that what they would do 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.520 is that they would appease Hitler, that Hitler was gonna 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.240 and they would do that, and then in some way 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.760 Hitler will stopped. Well, that didn't happen. What happened was 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.600 once Hitler saw what he could take, he just decided 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.919 that he would continue to take more. Right, you have 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.280 to there's a line where appeasement of someone who has 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.600 that type of ideology is not going to work. And 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.680 that is that's the part of it that's precarious, right, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.920 that's the part of it to where you don't really 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.000 know until you're there. So the first thing that you 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.600 probably do is you put something on somebody's ass and 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.040 you show them what you can do to them, especially 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.480 if you're the United States of America or you seven 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:27.480 Street Watch or exactly right. And then after that, after 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.760 there's been after there's been enough bloodshed, you say, Okay, 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.480 how far do you do you how do you want 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.679 this to go? Yeah? Yeah, how far do you want 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.800 this to go? How much more this do you want? Right? 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.160 And then you're negotiating from a position of power then, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.639 which is what a country with the military power that 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.679 the United States has always wants to do. But to 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.200 your point that that's not a lot different than well, 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.000 it's actually no different, because I would say that it 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.960 was culturally learned, you know. And and that's my point, 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.800 like it's that's not to say that the innocent bloodshed 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.800 on either side of these things that you can explain 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.159 and eat that you you can't. Not eleven is a 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.200 is a cowardly, dastardly, ridiculous act um, and so is 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.440 a lot of the other stuff. Because there there, there's 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.600 there's a cost in the community. Sometimes other people get hurt. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.639 And and this is what I'm This is what I 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:24.480 try to tell people. You don't have to get jumped 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.320 in to be from the hood. You're from the hood 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.560 because you're from the hood. Like if you grew up 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.760 where I'm from. If we go play basketball at the 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.600 park at Mono Park, that's another part with guys that 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.520 grew up over there, we all come together, we co 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.000 we walked to the park together. We're friends. I know 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.440 your mom, your dad, fore me, I know your older 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.800 brother that got killed. Feel me like I know everybody 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.880 we're family, so we walked to the park. Their family, right. 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:02.240 So when there's a situation, and usually people poor people 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.800 tend to overreact because it's more emotional because it's always 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.840 a prideful matter. If you step on my shoes, it's 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.359 a prideful matter. If you found me too hard to 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.280 prideful matter because you don't have anything but pride. So 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:15.720 pride is your most pride, your pride possession. It's like 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:17.680 if you had a child and that's your pride possession 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.520 and somebody you know might have spanked him and you 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.400 went down and don't stand my child, know you you're 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:29.000 overprotective of the most prized possession. So we go to 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.080 the park. And if two guys gets into it with 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.040 one of your friends because he didn't grow up with them, well, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.120 I'm gonna stand up for my friend. You never had 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.480 to get courted on for that. You don't have to 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.200 whatever that means. You don't have to fight your friends 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.359 and prove that you can stand up for yourself. You 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.440 standing up for yourself. Once you go to this park 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.040 and these guys are having a disagreement that tends to 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.320 go too far, and you hold up y'all, not gonna 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.720 do my friend like this, that's a gang fight. And 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.280 also to that point, you want to be able to 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:07.920 move around where you at without people thinking they can 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:13.359 do anything to you. And to two problemas dot that's 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.560 the point of the song. The fear was, if I 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.400