Speaker 1: The history of the country is always important. The only
Speaker 1: time American history isn't important is when it comes to
Speaker 1: black people. I love fucking Flip. You don't know, guys
Speaker 1: have some cool old rappers down there, they dude, Flip
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the one from Houston. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: went platinum, but like it was, they marketed the hell
Speaker 1: out of that thing, and it's like, I feel like
Speaker 1: they oversaturated the world with Flip and he never could
Speaker 1: recover from himself. Now I wouldn't know oversaturation. It was
Speaker 1: a t high saturation T I like JA ruled because
Speaker 1: it was it was a gang of people that got
Speaker 1: on Flip from that and he took such a such
Speaker 1: an all on it that it was hard to overcome it.
Speaker 1: But we have been listening to Flip man all of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's really close to beat Rules though,
Speaker 1: right there? No ceilings? Yeah, man, Pete, I got my
Speaker 1: boy Van lengthen in the house. What up? What up?
Speaker 1: What up? Van? Um? Van? What's crazy is I was
Speaker 1: telling my uh my partner, my partner, Joey west Side,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, me and Van got a
Speaker 1: lot in comment. And I think because people think because
Speaker 1: you're a gang banger, like it's a monolithic thing. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we we probably watched the same
Speaker 1: type of ship. We probably look at the same type
Speaker 1: of ship. And he just thought that was so crazy.
Speaker 1: And I think in our community, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like as as far as just the overall idea of
Speaker 1: the black I want to be dies for. But I
Speaker 1: think it's one dimension to people interest Like I think
Speaker 1: people mean when you black and me, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a funk up. So I think for people that are
Speaker 1: not funck ups, they probably get a harder, harder. Um,
Speaker 1: somebody might tell them they're trying to be white. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think black has become such an attachment And
Speaker 1: don't jump in, Pete, I want everybody to look at
Speaker 1: you crazy. Oh no, I'm say because I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like Pete, Ni Pete what I was saying,
Speaker 1: because it's like, uh, it's um. I just think it's
Speaker 1: a it's a negative stigma that comes with it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, so the longest it's cultured for me is
Speaker 1: very much black to me, That's all it really is,
Speaker 1: is cultured. And I think me and King Los talked
Speaker 1: about this, that's all it is is culture. So it
Speaker 1: don't got to be a raggedy culture. It just needs
Speaker 1: to be cultured. They need to have us finesse and swag. Look,
Speaker 1: I think one thing that is it's different is and
Speaker 1: the Internet is doing this to a degree, like a
Speaker 1: homogenizing thing. So dances that's popping in New York get
Speaker 1: popping in Baton Rouge super quick, and you know kind
Speaker 1: of you know, and you go everywhere like I would
Speaker 1: go home the last couple of times I've been home.
Speaker 1: You know, we still got our own swaging battle. But
Speaker 1: but but you but you'd also see guys dressing like
Speaker 1: guys in l A or guys in Miami, or guys
Speaker 1: in New York just because they can see its so
Speaker 1: easily on the internet now, right and to a degree
Speaker 1: of main stream and to to a degree of mainstream
Speaker 1: um and to a degree it was always stuff like
Speaker 1: that right wherever you was, it was it was dope
Speaker 1: and ninety five to have some health figure on or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. So that hasn't changed even out here.
Speaker 1: My boy Trash is like that. He's a super big
Speaker 1: New York. Well, to be real with you, I never
Speaker 1: forget Snoop created a frenzy in baton rouge. Well not
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say all over bad ruge, but definitely at
Speaker 1: my school because he performed on Saturday Night Live and
Speaker 1: he had this whole. He'll figure like like suit on
Speaker 1: this whole. He'll figure like it's like a wind break.
Speaker 1: He'll figure wind type suit. I can't remember, like a
Speaker 1: jumpsuit or something like that. And Nichols was crazy like
Speaker 1: where the fund you get that from? Where you get
Speaker 1: that from? So it's always been that way to a degree,
Speaker 1: but I think back to your point is like for
Speaker 1: me one of my homies that got killed back in
Speaker 1: the day, it was like Van, Yo, you're a cool
Speaker 1: lass nigga. Like you cool bro, cool, you hoop, you
Speaker 1: do all of this. You just need to do a
Speaker 1: little dirt. He was like, he was like your life
Speaker 1: away just at you just need to do a little dirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah right right, you know you need to do a
Speaker 1: little dirt. And I'm like, well why, Like for me,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a thing, right, It's like to to
Speaker 1: I know guys that got caught up and do their
Speaker 1: things for all different types of reasons, but it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't a thing for me, and you know, you
Speaker 1: know we lost DELV right, that was weird too. That
Speaker 1: was tripping he was. But at the same time he
Speaker 1: was saying, I got I got what he was saying.
Speaker 1: He was trying to say, really get down with me,
Speaker 1: like we like I can come over here and play
Speaker 1: the video game with you, I can hoop with you,
Speaker 1: but there's a way that you can really get down
Speaker 1: with me. And and that's my thing, Like all of
Speaker 1: that ship is means to an end, Like niggas don't
Speaker 1: do dirt, Like if you're just doing dirt, cause just
Speaker 1: to do dirt, that's kind of weird to me. And
Speaker 1: and I know niggas that do that. And I tell
Speaker 1: him all the time because you're a weird though, Bro,
Speaker 1: like some cold niggas. I haven't told Bro, you were weirdough, Like,
Speaker 1: it's all means to an end. You sell drugs to
Speaker 1: make money. I don't sell drugs to look cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't gang bang to look cool. You
Speaker 1: you you gang bang because you're standing up these your
Speaker 1: partners and you already I was explaining this to um
Speaker 1: to my little homie Ron yesterday. Ron is a chuck
Speaker 1: distels and Ron was shout out to grown. But he
Speaker 1: always post these really negative things about gang banging, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel you, But I think when you
Speaker 1: post about other things that carry the same negative connotations,
Speaker 1: you don't focus on those things. But see, you had
Speaker 1: to Tea, you have to scoom me on that a
Speaker 1: little bit because for and to the point that you
Speaker 1: were making before, right, making look a lot worse than
Speaker 1: it is. Well, yeah, and the brothers do, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: And so to to the point that you were making before.
Speaker 1: So there's a certain survival metrics or there's a mechanism
Speaker 1: of blackness that most black people understand, right. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even say most, I'd say a lot of black people understand.
Speaker 1: Like I'm from South bat Rouge, Louisiana, and being from there,
Speaker 1: there's in it an experience that goes along with that.
Speaker 1: And it's like, even if you're not that, you're of that, right, Yea,
Speaker 1: that's been around, right, and so, but they're just like
Speaker 1: there were people hustling then, just like there were people
Speaker 1: doing that stuff when there was people that got up
Speaker 1: with the work every day, came home and and and
Speaker 1: and so I don't know how that gets represented as
Speaker 1: the the entirety of it. But to your point, when
Speaker 1: I first I used that same judgment against that when
Speaker 1: I was talking to you the first time we had
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah like we like we we we. When
Speaker 1: we were doing the podcast, I was the connotiation in
Speaker 1: my mind around gang banking was negative. And since I've
Speaker 1: been in l A, it's totally changed. It's totally changed
Speaker 1: because I've met so many people that are good, brothers, good, good,
Speaker 1: don't even good, don't even begin to describe it. Is
Speaker 1: that a good because of her, a good in spite
Speaker 1: of It's none of the above. It's just it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the who they are, have to
Speaker 1: do with the non correlative. It's just like the dudes
Speaker 1: that I know, you don't have to you don't have
Speaker 1: to throw your life away because you're a gang member.
Speaker 1: I think that's the belief, and I understand because there's
Speaker 1: a criminal what's called criminal, but it's not really a criminal, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's an outlaw, right, whereas there's a criminal consequence. Well, yes, right,
Speaker 1: But I think, um, like, it's homies that I grew
Speaker 1: up with. They had jobs the whole time. It's homies
Speaker 1: I grew up with. That's from the hood, that's going
Speaker 1: to college, that trash truck union driver from one of
Speaker 1: my homies and got a full scholarship, joined the army,
Speaker 1: and so so what what what I'm saying is the
Speaker 1: way it's positioned, right, especially if you're I didn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't have gangs and Barugel's growing up, not Cristin Bloods,
Speaker 1: not Cristal Bloods. And it was other ways that you
Speaker 1: represented that right, would be the South against whatever again,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, um, But what they showed us, even
Speaker 1: on that little joint that came on HBO, that like
Speaker 1: I used to always watch the Little Bang banging a
Speaker 1: little rock, or when you watch movies you see stuff.
Speaker 1: It was like Chris and Bloods sit um in rooms
Speaker 1: all day and try to figure out how to kill
Speaker 1: each other. Sure, and it's never in disciple. And there
Speaker 1: is some of that, of course, very mental, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see it as just almost intra community lifestyle or
Speaker 1: I didn't have any real frame of reference, so it's
Speaker 1: easy to tell me whatever it was. So I got
Speaker 1: you in the podcast. I was trying to convince you
Speaker 1: at gang bangers, but it's not just you, and I
Speaker 1: don't want you to think that it's just you though, man,
Speaker 1: because um, it's so so. Ron is from here. Ron
Speaker 1: grew up in the center of Raymond Avenue Cripts right Raymond,
Speaker 1: and he felt that way. And I'm like, bro, like
Speaker 1: I get it that you have had negative experiences like
Speaker 1: he's talked about like his pops not being around. Feel
Speaker 1: like he was more dedicated to the hood, which I
Speaker 1: told him, like they don't have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the gang, Like, don't think that. Nobody in the hood
Speaker 1: is like, man, funk your kids come and got with USA,
Speaker 1: like you put everything behind the MafA. And and I've
Speaker 1: never heard none of my homies black man. Don't be
Speaker 1: a good dad. Come hang out with us, nigga. We're
Speaker 1: feel gonna do this fun your kids. Like nobody talks
Speaker 1: like that, and I think people tend to highlight it.
Speaker 1: But gangs have such a different so many different people
Speaker 1: do so many things. You know what I'm saying. Everybody
Speaker 1: nobody tells you to throw If you're actually doing well,
Speaker 1: people will for the majority most people, especially to all
Speaker 1: the dudes, to be like leave him alone, don't funk
Speaker 1: his ship up, let him go. When you decide to
Speaker 1: throw away your life, you know what I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: when they will show you how to do it and
Speaker 1: have your best chance to stay alive. I haven't said
Speaker 1: all of this was there, and there it was portrayed
Speaker 1: that there was this particular point in the history of
Speaker 1: l A where game violence was really, really bad and
Speaker 1: we were losing a lot of brothers to it. True
Speaker 1: or false, I mean yes, But everywhere poor people are
Speaker 1: like in bad rules, there's gonna be spikes and crime,
Speaker 1: even violent crimes. So when the opportunities are at their lowest,
Speaker 1: people fight the hardest, or when they're trying to Howard said, opportunity,
Speaker 1: the most violence happens. So when when when drugs came
Speaker 1: and crack came and it starts being like don't come
Speaker 1: over here near where I'm trying to get money. And
Speaker 1: some of that also a power vacuum element because when
Speaker 1: the sets are kind of young, when when when gang
Speaker 1: culture was kind of younger, you're when you're drawing out lines,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be conflicts over those lines. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: early but I like but yeah, but I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's not crazy, um, because it's a combination
Speaker 1: of a few things. But power you know, poor people,
Speaker 1: all they have is reputation. Prime example. Right, we talked
Speaker 1: about it before. It's like when you watch Um New
Speaker 1: Jack City, which is a movie, like I said, inspired
Speaker 1: by Phoenix Mitchell. Like if you read it and talk
Speaker 1: about it, the whole movie, right is um. The whole
Speaker 1: theme of the movie is we all we got. That
Speaker 1: was the theme of their click, right until they got
Speaker 1: some money, until they got some bitches, until they got
Speaker 1: some power. When they had power, women and money, g
Speaker 1: money didn't mean nothing, right, I'm not g money off.
Speaker 1: So when you pour right poverty, reputation is everything because
Speaker 1: all you have is who you are, what people heard
Speaker 1: about you. And that exists across racial lines. But they
Speaker 1: don't have nothing. You read Outliers by by Malcolm Gladwell.
Speaker 1: He talks about the honor code and the honor society
Speaker 1: that exists in the appellations to where these are poor
Speaker 1: white people who their last name is everything to them.
Speaker 1: You stand them in the eyes, they're gonna be they
Speaker 1: you're looking to do hard noyes and look what the
Speaker 1: funk you looking at? Half filling them of course, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're ready to get down right. So, and that exists
Speaker 1: if you come, people talk about that ship. But if
Speaker 1: you come down and if you find yourself in a
Speaker 1: in a place like Dinner Springs or places like that,
Speaker 1: and Matt Rouge and white boys gonna fight you. They're
Speaker 1: gonna fight you. Like out here always say that are
Speaker 1: white people kind of know how to mind in California,
Speaker 1: they're not really trying to engage you. Remember the Boondocks
Speaker 1: And uh, he was like when he was trying to
Speaker 1: get the white man into the nigga moment. White that's
Speaker 1: why people here that's not white people in the South.
Speaker 1: White people in the South is fully with the nigga moments.
Speaker 1: They will engage you in these nigga moments. And for
Speaker 1: some reason where you're from is like that. I don't
Speaker 1: know why the white people in Orange County is are
Speaker 1: you from with these crazy white people? Only a small
Speaker 1: little spot that's that. That's true. And um that's because
Speaker 1: um I grew up in Newport, Okay. So the area
Speaker 1: where that would be true. Santa Anna, Santa kind of
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get to yea And they got their
Speaker 1: own kind of little things and they got a watergate,
Speaker 1: they got a real watergate. Crib gang. That's will knock
Speaker 1: your ship off or is that like Santa Sign Watergate?
Speaker 1: Watergate is a crib. DJ pulls from Watergate. I did
Speaker 1: not know that. I did not know that. J No, No,
Speaker 1: He's from Watergate in l A. So there the original
Speaker 1: Watergate started in l A. Right, So it's DJ pulls
Speaker 1: from Watergate. Mike smull grew up in Watergate a couple
Speaker 1: of other people, but they started a branch in Santa
Speaker 1: Ana and m niggas is crazy. Shout out to my
Speaker 1: way deep Tanna, but damn Niggas is crazy. So it
Speaker 1: was like you saw the movie American History X. Of course,
Speaker 1: Venice for a long long time. You can go around
Speaker 1: Venice and if you you know how to look at
Speaker 1: the bills, there's a couple of areas and you go, wow,
Speaker 1: this looks like a giant old refurbished section eight block
Speaker 1: and there's a huge one of the middle of vents.
Speaker 1: And Venice was was like the poor beach of l
Speaker 1: A County. Huntington Beach was that in Orange County. A
Speaker 1: lot of people moved up blue collar from the South
Speaker 1: and went over there, and it's just the it's just
Speaker 1: where the lower white people down there lived. So if
Speaker 1: you got bounced out a county or state or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you were going to move back to your general area,
Speaker 1: that's where you could afford. Like my dad's two brothers,
Speaker 1: my grandpa lived over there after he had divorce and
Speaker 1: the disease and stuff, but they were pretty they both,
Speaker 1: you know, to strike guys, each of them and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's there's active skin heads in the
Speaker 1: beast were they kind of got out and say priced out.
Speaker 1: But it's not a big thing like it used to be.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's a it's a blue collar mentality
Speaker 1: and guys who start doing ship and meth happened to
Speaker 1: whatever else. Then you know, you go, you get in trouble,
Speaker 1: you can come back. And some guy comes back and
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of cloud at state and
Speaker 1: then everyone wants to be play tough guy and all
Speaker 1: that ship. I mean, prop poverty, you will bring it
Speaker 1: out of you. Man. Everybody talks about what they want do,
Speaker 1: but you just don't. You don't know. And and I
Speaker 1: was saying this to him yesterday because he he made
Speaker 1: it like this revenge thing was just like this gang
Speaker 1: banger thing, and I'm like, bro, this country for example,
Speaker 1: right when nine eleven happens, right, and whatever this country
Speaker 1: is doing to push those people to feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to do something to really fuck America up.
Speaker 1: Let's let's say we're not even talking about that. Let's
Speaker 1: focus on nine eleven itself. So once they came in
Speaker 1: and and ram those planes into those buildings, and they
Speaker 1: and they made they move and those people died, America
Speaker 1: could have said, hey, you know what, this is uncivilized behavior.
Speaker 1: We're not going to retaliate with you. We're gonna sit
Speaker 1: down with you. We're gonna have a meeting and we're
Speaker 1: gonna figure out how to come to some kind of agreement,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna resolve this. We're gonna take that loss,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna let this loss represent how mankind should
Speaker 1: come together. And retaliation is not the answer. Funck, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing. We're gonna get right to it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: at that point, they so at that point, it's that's
Speaker 1: an interesting It's not poverty, and poverty is not Poverty
Speaker 1: is not the way in that situation. I mean, so
Speaker 1: two things happened. Number one is they did that and
Speaker 1: then they did it wrong in a wrong headed way.
Speaker 1: They used it to justify the Iraq war, which Iraq
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with nine eleven, okay, Um,
Speaker 1: And it was easy to sell the thing because everybody
Speaker 1: was upset, but they didn't have anything to do with it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so in that situation, when you're talking about geo politics,
Speaker 1: there is a level of well, we have to at
Speaker 1: least show to the world that we're the wrong motherfux
Speaker 1: is to attack right, Oh, you feel right, right, right? Right,
Speaker 1: right right? So I see the point, um, to also
Speaker 1: be able to establish a respect level to come to
Speaker 1: the table with integrity. Yeah, they took a minute because
Speaker 1: because we there was negotiation and and and and paperwork
Speaker 1: done with Taliban in the last few years when it
Speaker 1: had to be but I mean at that and had
Speaker 1: to be respected. Well, you had to, yeah at that point. Look,
Speaker 1: if if someone launches a preintive strike against you, which
Speaker 1: is essentially what uh what a terrorist action is, it's
Speaker 1: it just depends because there are lessons from history. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there's a guy named Nevill Chamberlain. Um. Back in
Speaker 1: the days where Adolf Hitler was first making his remember that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: back with Adolf Hitler was first first making waves or
Speaker 1: whatever he was first gaining power, you proceeded Churchill, right,
Speaker 1: and so to Chamberlain decided that what they would do
Speaker 1: is that they would appease Hitler, that Hitler was gonna
Speaker 1: and they would do that, and then in some way
Speaker 1: Hitler will stopped. Well, that didn't happen. What happened was
Speaker 1: once Hitler saw what he could take, he just decided
Speaker 1: that he would continue to take more. Right, you have
Speaker 1: to there's a line where appeasement of someone who has
Speaker 1: that type of ideology is not going to work. And
Speaker 1: that is that's the part of it that's precarious, right,
Speaker 1: that's the part of it to where you don't really
Speaker 1: know until you're there. So the first thing that you
Speaker 1: probably do is you put something on somebody's ass and
Speaker 1: you show them what you can do to them, especially
Speaker 1: if you're the United States of America or you seven
Speaker 1: Street Watch or exactly right. And then after that, after
Speaker 1: there's been after there's been enough bloodshed, you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: how far do you do you how do you want
Speaker 1: this to go? Yeah? Yeah, how far do you want
Speaker 1: this to go? How much more this do you want? Right?
Speaker 1: And then you're negotiating from a position of power then,
Speaker 1: which is what a country with the military power that
Speaker 1: the United States has always wants to do. But to
Speaker 1: your point that that's not a lot different than well,
Speaker 1: it's actually no different, because I would say that it
Speaker 1: was culturally learned, you know. And and that's my point,
Speaker 1: like it's that's not to say that the innocent bloodshed
Speaker 1: on either side of these things that you can explain
Speaker 1: and eat that you you can't. Not eleven is a
Speaker 1: is a cowardly, dastardly, ridiculous act um, and so is
Speaker 1: a lot of the other stuff. Because there there, there's
Speaker 1: there's a cost in the community. Sometimes other people get hurt.
Speaker 1: And and this is what I'm This is what I
Speaker 1: try to tell people. You don't have to get jumped
Speaker 1: in to be from the hood. You're from the hood
Speaker 1: because you're from the hood. Like if you grew up
Speaker 1: where I'm from. If we go play basketball at the
Speaker 1: park at Mono Park, that's another part with guys that
Speaker 1: grew up over there, we all come together, we co
Speaker 1: we walked to the park together. We're friends. I know
Speaker 1: your mom, your dad, fore me, I know your older
Speaker 1: brother that got killed. Feel me like I know everybody
Speaker 1: we're family, so we walked to the park. Their family, right.
Speaker 1: So when there's a situation, and usually people poor people
Speaker 1: tend to overreact because it's more emotional because it's always
Speaker 1: a prideful matter. If you step on my shoes, it's
Speaker 1: a prideful matter. If you found me too hard to
Speaker 1: prideful matter because you don't have anything but pride. So
Speaker 1: pride is your most pride, your pride possession. It's like
Speaker 1: if you had a child and that's your pride possession
Speaker 1: and somebody you know might have spanked him and you
Speaker 1: went down and don't stand my child, know you you're
Speaker 1: overprotective of the most prized possession. So we go to
Speaker 1: the park. And if two guys gets into it with
Speaker 1: one of your friends because he didn't grow up with them, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand up for my friend. You never had
Speaker 1: to get courted on for that. You don't have to
Speaker 1: whatever that means. You don't have to fight your friends
Speaker 1: and prove that you can stand up for yourself. You
Speaker 1: standing up for yourself. Once you go to this park
Speaker 1: and these guys are having a disagreement that tends to
Speaker 1: go too far, and you hold up y'all, not gonna
Speaker 1: do my friend like this, that's a gang fight. And
Speaker 1: also to that point, you want to be able to
Speaker 1: move around where you at without people thinking they can
Speaker 1: do anything to you. And to two problemas dot that's
Speaker 1: the point of the song. The fear was, if I
Speaker 1: don't stand up for myself against this situation, people are
Speaker 1: going to think they can do anything to me. It
Speaker 1: compromises your economic base, it compromises your ability to be free.
Speaker 1: It actually would mean more people because people would literally
Speaker 1: people look like when you don't have anything, you know,
Speaker 1: when you don't have anything to be prideful about, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have the bare minimums um, you tend to
Speaker 1: That's how bullies are formed because because your insecurities, so
Speaker 1: the places you're powerful at and you can flex your power,
Speaker 1: you tend to overdo it to bring a false sense
Speaker 1: of security to who you are. So if some mighty
Speaker 1: thinks they can bully you, especially that's from where we're from,
Speaker 1: they will bully you because it brings a sense of
Speaker 1: security to them. They may be trying to impress somebody
Speaker 1: else to say, look, I did this to him, right.
Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, we're in Dallas and
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing, but everybody was
Speaker 1: because back then, like Michael Jackson videos would come on
Speaker 1: and they would announce him on the news, like after
Speaker 1: this news broadcast. I remember that. We're gonna remember remember
Speaker 1: the time premiere the Ladies Michael Jackson video. This time
Speaker 1: it was it was the way you made me feel.
Speaker 1: And everybody was like there, and so I was in
Speaker 1: the front, like after were living in Dallas, and after
Speaker 1: you go to this place after school and your parents
Speaker 1: had come pick you up. So I was on the
Speaker 1: other side of whatever this place was. This lady had
Speaker 1: her house where she kept kids or whatever, like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a lady, was like a daycare thing kind of.
Speaker 1: And the video was coming on the eye so excited
Speaker 1: that I ran from the other side and I jumped
Speaker 1: on the chair, and then I ran across some tables
Speaker 1: to get to where everybody was watching the video, right
Speaker 1: and this lady's husband saw me running across the tables.
Speaker 1: You know, they had these big tables on top of
Speaker 1: the tables, on top of the tables. Because I jumped,
Speaker 1: I jumped on the I stepped on the chair and
Speaker 1: then I ran on top of the tables. You know
Speaker 1: those tables with the they fold out and they got
Speaker 1: the brown top. When you sit there, you eat lunch
Speaker 1: and you eat your snacks and ship. So I ran
Speaker 1: across the tables and remember I saw him coming towards me,
Speaker 1: and I saw him going taking his belt, like going
Speaker 1: for his belt, and he took his belt off and
Speaker 1: he whipped me. And so it wasn't like a bad whooping,
Speaker 1: like like you funked up you ran across the table.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bad whooping, but I was like he
Speaker 1: whipped me. He was like to see your gys down there.
Speaker 1: And my mom comes to pick me up with my
Speaker 1: grandmother that day. My grandmother had been living in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and like I told her, I was like, yo, Mr Digs,
Speaker 1: he whooped me. And my mother was like what and
Speaker 1: she was and she was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he just before they even told you, Like I
Speaker 1: ran on top of the tables and my grandmother, what
Speaker 1: the funk you doing running on top of tables. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was trying to see the Michael Jackson video,
Speaker 1: but I caught a whooping from this Digs And my
Speaker 1: mother didn't say anything. We get home chilling, maybe like
Speaker 1: hour hour or two. I was already getting I was
Speaker 1: almost getting ready to go to bed. My dad comes
Speaker 1: in the door and I hear Terry come here, goes
Speaker 1: over there to my my My dad comes over. He's
Speaker 1: like what and then all of a sudden, my door
Speaker 1: flies open. My dad says, tell me exactly what happened, Like,
Speaker 1: exactly what happened? Ye, And I'm like, I was running
Speaker 1: on the tables and was like, what the fund? You
Speaker 1: running on tables for us? The same the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, and Mr dis with me. He goes, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come get you tomorrow, Chris, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: And my mother was like, oh Lord, and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I'm gonna get you tomorrow. Next day,
Speaker 1: that dad walks into place, so hey, let me talk
Speaker 1: to you for a second. Guy comes over. My dad
Speaker 1: takes his belt off and he whips his man in
Speaker 1: front of the entire day cancer he whips him. He
Speaker 1: takes his belt off and he whips him. And then
Speaker 1: he he whipped a teacher. He whooped the dude with
Speaker 1: his belt and he sit and he when he stopped
Speaker 1: whipping he was when like he took his belt off,
Speaker 1: and he saw whooping the guy, and the guy wasn't
Speaker 1: and he was grabbing him. And he was like, don't
Speaker 1: you ever fucking put your hands on my motherfucking son
Speaker 1: ever again. You must be crazy out of your goddamn mind.
Speaker 1: And he was saying, and then and I'm standing there,
Speaker 1: and then my dad I never forget. My dad took
Speaker 1: his cowboy hat off. He and he threw the bell down.
Speaker 1: He was like, now and to do sugar. He's like, now,
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? I walked your grass in front
Speaker 1: of your whole family. What's up? What's up? You crazy?
Speaker 1: And the guy back down and so I get in
Speaker 1: the cool So we get in the car right and
Speaker 1: my dad was like, why didn't you fight him? I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: seven years old. He was like, why wouldn't you fight
Speaker 1: a man other than your daddy that's trying to whoop you?
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you? I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: he was. He was like, no, no, no, I'm your daddy.
Speaker 1: If somebody got a problem with you, they come through me.
Speaker 1: Any man that embarrasses like that, embarrasses you like that
Speaker 1: in front of all of those people. They take get
Speaker 1: something from you, and once they take it from it,
Speaker 1: you can't get it back. So do you know what
Speaker 1: sort of happening to me? After that? I started getting
Speaker 1: fights everywhere you have Pop tripped down. Pops was tripping
Speaker 1: like he's like like he's like he wanted me to
Speaker 1: ask my bike back, and you know, right, he said,
Speaker 1: like I started getting in fights. My fight rate went
Speaker 1: through the roof because now I was like, every single
Speaker 1: interaction that I'm having, you just protected some false enerpride.
Speaker 1: He told me that you can't take nothing from me,
Speaker 1: and my dad did his best, you know what I mean, right,
Speaker 1: But every single interaction from me like you can't Now
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship whatever, whatever. It really didn't stop.
Speaker 1: It really didn't stop til later on, until I was
Speaker 1: like I got into other things. You got smart, until
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I don't want to always be but
Speaker 1: all through elementary, middle school, all that stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I'm just fighting, fighting, fighting in the neighborhood. But then
Speaker 1: it just kind of it kind of went away because
Speaker 1: you know, you get your face lumped up and you
Speaker 1: gotta go back to school with that. You gotta stay
Speaker 1: out and this I was just too angry. But what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I say all that to say this
Speaker 1: is to him not only was it important for him
Speaker 1: to protect his pride, but the entire world needed to
Speaker 1: know that his son wasn't the one that you was Glass.
Speaker 1: It's mass it's my son. It's my son. And to
Speaker 1: further that point, the weirdest thing to me is when
Speaker 1: adults like on Instagram right and their bio, they'll be
Speaker 1: like I am Caylan's and Kilani's mom, Like that's the
Speaker 1: crowning achievement of your existence. Come on, I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing. Just being honest, being a parent is a
Speaker 1: big I ain't got no kids, but being a parent
Speaker 1: is a big deal though, right, it's like a big
Speaker 1: deal an accomplishment. Not really, it's not an accompolishment. It's
Speaker 1: not even at all. It's not you didn't do ship well.
Speaker 1: But it means not not that it's an accomplishment, but
Speaker 1: those people are basically saying that, like, this is the
Speaker 1: greatest thing that's happened in my life. That's the most important.
Speaker 1: That's not being a being in charge or a parent
Speaker 1: who I don't have any kids, y'all tell me you'll
Speaker 1: both got kids. I don't have any. I'm undefeated, like Mayweather,
Speaker 1: it's motherfucker here. So but but so do you think
Speaker 1: though that maybe it's not the best were the three
Speaker 1: of us aren't the best people to talk about this
Speaker 1: because we are the best people to talk about this
Speaker 1: without question because we're not. We don't have kids, but
Speaker 1: we but we have discretion. There you go there? But
Speaker 1: what what if though? Because they say, they say straight
Speaker 1: up and all of my homeboys have said this, that
Speaker 1: the moment you see the kid come out and you
Speaker 1: that you change, that is different that you can't have Like, no, y'all,
Speaker 1: don't y'all think that's bullshit. Your priorities change, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but that does not mean that somehow, like if having
Speaker 1: a kid became the greatest accomplishment in your life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like celebrating a birthday scale Like if you're celebrating
Speaker 1: if the biggest thing in your year is your birthday,
Speaker 1: you you you made it another you didn't die for
Speaker 1: a year. That's a pretty local. But are you argue
Speaker 1: against that? I argue that not dying for a whole
Speaker 1: year is a significant accomplishment, a smaller one that's a
Speaker 1: great point. Well, okay, getting a paycheck is a smaller accomplishment.
Speaker 1: Did you do that on top of not dying? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying to me, the one thing would
Speaker 1: imagine somebody who celebrated they gotta paycheck every week. A
Speaker 1: lot of people celebrate that by going off and sucking
Speaker 1: the paycheck off. But what I'm saying is not dying
Speaker 1: exactly something. Life is actually something to be celebrated. No,
Speaker 1: life is the default setting. Life is a controlled experiment
Speaker 1: floor any we really celebrate being alive. We we but
Speaker 1: because I think we understand the travails and sort of
Speaker 1: the pitfalls that it's difficult to live an extra year.
Speaker 1: I knew a guy the fourteen. Sure I got friends
Speaker 1: like that. Not a throat cancer, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like all the plants that you're like that most likely
Speaker 1: you're not. That's an extreme outlier. I know it's not.
Speaker 1: It's an extreme outlier. But also if we started talking
Speaker 1: about the dudes that we know they got that passed away,
Speaker 1: I never get this. I could call my boy Gino
Speaker 1: right now, we were about and we sit down in
Speaker 1: his mama's kitchen and Gino goes man bro I just
Speaker 1: want to live, bro, Like I want to live because
Speaker 1: we had lost delv and we had lost Tempor, we
Speaker 1: had lost Jason. You just aren't really sizing up lost GT.
Speaker 1: We lost all of these dudes and they got progressively
Speaker 1: worser the ways that these niggas was dying. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I just want to live, bro, I just want to live.
Speaker 1: So the birthday, I do understanding. I understand the kids
Speaker 1: yet too, man, people parents, they care. But but I
Speaker 1: think I agree with Peter and I hat like I
Speaker 1: know he's white man, It's true, bro, Like that is
Speaker 1: the yes, that is the default. That's the default setting, right,
Speaker 1: And I mean think about it, right, We're we're in
Speaker 1: such a dilemma, like our community, right, man, is in
Speaker 1: such a dilemma that a lot of parents their only
Speaker 1: goal is to get their kids to graduate high school.
Speaker 1: They have zero. There's there's a political expression called the
Speaker 1: soft depression of low expectations. That's what It's a very
Speaker 1: common political expression called the soft oppression of low expectations. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in that kind. So like you're
Speaker 1: like one kid, you know, like one kid graduates high schools,
Speaker 1: Like that's what you're supposed to do the other great
Speaker 1: kids graduates high school, it's a big deal. Well, but
Speaker 1: I but I'll tell you. I'll tell you the way
Speaker 1: I look at at life. Um, I don't really subscribe
Speaker 1: to that. And I'll tell you why. I think that.
Speaker 1: It's there are certain situations where things are just harder now, right,
Speaker 1: I think I think oftentimes we should stop celebrating the
Speaker 1: struggle so much. I think that's wrong. But I do
Speaker 1: think that. Look, if you've overcome something, no matter what
Speaker 1: it was, right, so exactly think about this. You know
Speaker 1: what those same people that use those political arguments don't
Speaker 1: use them for Like if you go, if two guys
Speaker 1: join the army, right, one guy goes to Iraq, he
Speaker 1: survives Iraq, he comes back home. Right, you're veteran, everybody
Speaker 1: respects you. Another guy goes to Iraq, he survives, but
Speaker 1: he was captured by al Qaida, or not al Qaida,
Speaker 1: because they weren't really around him. He was captured by Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was captured by is its insurgents whatever. He spent
Speaker 1: four months in captivity, you know, and then he comes
Speaker 1: out of all of that and he comes back. He's
Speaker 1: a hero. The reason why he was a hero. As
Speaker 1: a soldier, they expect haitian Is to survive, Right, That's
Speaker 1: what you want to do as a soldier. But the
Speaker 1: reason why he's a hero is because he went through
Speaker 1: so much more on top of that expectation to survive,
Speaker 1: to survive. And John McCain, right, John McCain spent time
Speaker 1: at the Handle Hilton American Hero Trump like just like,
Speaker 1: just like John McCain spent time at the Handle Hilton whatever.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that circumstances are always going
Speaker 1: to matter in life. They're always it's always gonna matter
Speaker 1: what it is that you've been through to get where
Speaker 1: you're going. But but and I agree totally. I always think, Um,
Speaker 1: I think one of the most misconceptions of life is
Speaker 1: that you could create these systems that work for everybody.
Speaker 1: I think it's tough to have one system for everybody,
Speaker 1: whether it's education, whether it's the justice system. Any system
Speaker 1: for everybody is probably going to not really be good.
Speaker 1: It's like getting your car washed at a machine wash.
Speaker 1: It's set for certain things like let's say, if you
Speaker 1: take um a camera through there, it's perfect for a
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen camera. But if I take my
Speaker 1: uh my, my f four fifty through there with the
Speaker 1: eight inch left with the wheels. It's not going to
Speaker 1: wash the top of the truck. If I take my
Speaker 1: my my Lamborghini through there, right, it's not going to
Speaker 1: wash the bottom in the wheels of the car. So
Speaker 1: the concept of like these these simple sets for everybody,
Speaker 1: it doesn't take into account. And I think that's our problem,
Speaker 1: and I think that's as a whole. Are are problem
Speaker 1: as black people in America. It's the system is set
Speaker 1: for a camera, mh right, if your camera, it's perfect
Speaker 1: for you. But if you're anything else outside of a
Speaker 1: camera size, you know what I mean, you could be explored.
Speaker 1: It be all right, you could be a you know, accord,
Speaker 1: you're fine. But if you're too low to the ground,
Speaker 1: if your car is too low to the ground, if
Speaker 1: you're if your truck is too high and lifted up,
Speaker 1: you'll never get the proper wash. So everything we need
Speaker 1: to readjust and everything should be a hand wash. But
Speaker 1: that goes against capitalism, right, Capitalism is all assembly on. Sure,
Speaker 1: the question is how bad of a wash job are
Speaker 1: you getting? Right? So the the I think equality or
Speaker 1: equity or two different terms there or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But they're close enough, they're close enough. I think it's
Speaker 1: based a wrong. It's based upon like how much better
Speaker 1: is their wash job than than yours? Is right, it's
Speaker 1: pine the sky to think that it's always gonna be.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that like that, right, there inherent
Speaker 1: biases that we all have. And maybe we'll get to
Speaker 1: a point in the future of humanity where those inherent
Speaker 1: biases dissipate, but probably not. But I think the root
Speaker 1: of that is capitalism, probably, but just at this point
Speaker 1: real quick, yeah, I mean so. But what we can't
Speaker 1: do is have a car wash where one car goes
Speaker 1: through and gets completely cleaned, and another one goes through
Speaker 1: and nothing changes. We can all agree that that is wrong.
Speaker 1: The degree to which we can make things equal only
Speaker 1: comes from the trying. You just have to try. You
Speaker 1: just have to do. You just have to try. Like you,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense to talk about what it is
Speaker 1: that we can't do. We just have to go and
Speaker 1: we have to try to do it. And so like
Speaker 1: right now, what we're looking at and look, it wasn't
Speaker 1: created to be equal. I want everyone should understand. If
Speaker 1: you understand what the framers, they never intended to have
Speaker 1: an equal society, and I'm not mad at that, right
Speaker 1: they that's not what they intended. They didn't, they didn't
Speaker 1: they You This the thing that's the most frustrating about
Speaker 1: all of this is all of this stuff is like
Speaker 1: spelled out, it's spelled out. They were arguing it over
Speaker 1: they were arguing it over there. They were arguing over
Speaker 1: it then about how much the power that people should have.
Speaker 1: They did not trust the people to have a lot
Speaker 1: of right and and so things to that degree are
Speaker 1: are are working as they should. They also never thought
Speaker 1: that they would actually be people talking about the Second Amendment. Well,
Speaker 1: of course the Second Amendment is a is a big
Speaker 1: deal and a bashing of freedom. But they never thought
Speaker 1: that slaves would have guns. If they thought that slaves
Speaker 1: would have guns, or the descendants of slaves would have guns,
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have been sucking around with that idea
Speaker 1: very much. So the question is, with the system that
Speaker 1: we have right now, how good can we get it?
Speaker 1: And the answer is, we don't know. We just know
Speaker 1: it could be. I just believe that it can be
Speaker 1: better than what it is right now. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: we do have time constraints on that episode length. I
Speaker 1: don't have enough time. There's like six bullets that that
Speaker 1: kind of all happened back to back to back to
Speaker 1: back to back in the meandering of the conversation. I
Speaker 1: think there's an issue insofar as like where where there
Speaker 1: we started a few minutes back about maybe a crisis
Speaker 1: between the macro and the micro A little bit is
Speaker 1: so far as like I look at any community to
Speaker 1: simply a lot of individuals with their own DNA and
Speaker 1: their own Social Security umber whatever they happened to be
Speaker 1: defined by whatever categorical assessment you're blocking them into. But
Speaker 1: there's still it's still just the product of the individuals inside.
Speaker 1: So you talk about there, you know, the struggle that
Speaker 1: an entire entity as a collective whole sees and in
Speaker 1: doing so kind of turn a blind eye to like
Speaker 1: the potential of each individual therein. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's a big problem, uh, to to look at everything
Speaker 1: only from the you know, five or five thousand foot
Speaker 1: you know, elevation, and when these schools are doing badly
Speaker 1: but all right, But at the same time, when you're
Speaker 1: at that school, hey, I gotta see I passed. Great
Speaker 1: news is not great news at a lot of other schools,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's different reasons for that. But when
Speaker 1: the when the when the goal is like here, then
Speaker 1: everybody who's capable of achieving beyond that goal no reason,
Speaker 1: you know, So a lot of people aren't going to,
Speaker 1: so you sell short a lot of the individuals within
Speaker 1: that block. I think that's that's that's I would agree,
Speaker 1: that's a minute part. That's that's like a micro versus background.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a minute situation more than the majority.
Speaker 1: I agree, though, So let me ask you a question
Speaker 1: to that point. I'll speak only for Black Americans. Is
Speaker 1: the situation of Black Americans in America right now? Is
Speaker 1: it intentional or is it on accident? Define situation and
Speaker 1: define intentional a little bit more clearly. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: I say situation, I mean whatever disparate circumstances. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: disparities both environmentally economically, from a social justice standpoint, from
Speaker 1: a wealth standpoint, let's just take wealth, n uh wealth.
Speaker 1: The wealth gap between Black Americans and white Americans was
Speaker 1: at a certain point. It's barely moved now. So there's
Speaker 1: a situation that reflects that. As far as the experience
Speaker 1: of Black Americans here, um mass and calturation. Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: The entire Black experience in terms of equality, social equity,
Speaker 1: or econom to make equity in this country is that?
Speaker 1: And is was that? Is that intentional or is it
Speaker 1: an accident? It was just the way things shaped out.
Speaker 1: It's I would say it's a little bit of as
Speaker 1: a founding father. From that perspective, it depends on interpretation
Speaker 1: of law to some extent. Like randomly, I we talked
Speaker 1: about lasting I'm I'm eight days from the Lorraine Hotel
Speaker 1: Museum Sweet last Saturday, and last night I hadn't sat
Speaker 1: down I listen to podcast about it. I read the
Speaker 1: full dissent argument by the minority Justice of dread Scott
Speaker 1: last night, which is an obsanely long document. Why did
Speaker 1: I do that? So they're making in sequence these block
Speaker 1: arguments against that ruling, which is a terrible ruling, and
Speaker 1: it was eventually overturned, and you know, judicial precedent, jurch
Speaker 1: precedent was overlooked in the subsequent case. It was a
Speaker 1: good ruling in my opinion. There there's there's two elements
Speaker 1: to the system at play. There's probably the integrity of
Speaker 1: this system, and then there's the self interest of those involved.
Speaker 1: In it. Mhm. So I think it's a better legal argument.
Speaker 1: The dissent argument. It's a it's a better crafted argument.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that to me. When you look at a system,
Speaker 1: especially be at a political, sistem economic system, whatever, everything
Speaker 1: looks great on paper, no matter how you doing. Communism
Speaker 1: loost great on paper, capitalism most great on paper. What
Speaker 1: best interacts with the realities of human behavior? And insofar
Speaker 1: as that goes, Like, for example, you brought up the
Speaker 1: year nine, which is a great year to bring up.
Speaker 1: I personally am a big Thomas Soul economics fan, and
Speaker 1: he addresses trajectories and curves and rates of various input
Speaker 1: factors and various indicators in the black community from like nine,
Speaker 1: from eighteen seventy. But you know, especially we're talking about
Speaker 1: like nineteen hundred, let's say, yeah to sixty eight. So
Speaker 1: there are there are some deviations there. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: those curves go become a lot less vertical after that
Speaker 1: point in time. So you could say, well, which input
Speaker 1: factor is it? Is it mass incarceration or is it
Speaker 1: um what do you call it? So social social welfare policy,
Speaker 1: I think if you talk a lot about like it
Speaker 1: depends on which aspect of the government system you're looking
Speaker 1: at and how you want to look at it. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with regard to public education in
Speaker 1: their cities. However, there's a lot of paola between and
Speaker 1: self interest between politicians who oversee those and teachers units.
Speaker 1: And to answer that, I do think it's an accident.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think everything has been an adjustment. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was never intended. It was always an adjustment. And
Speaker 1: then they keep making adjustments. And even though all the
Speaker 1: adjustments are bad and they're they're really slow. You're asking
Speaker 1: a dinosaur too, you know. The thing is it's such
Speaker 1: a dinosaur that it takes so much to move. And
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation and I don't want to
Speaker 1: get lost on that, but this is a perfect example.
Speaker 1: And and this is like, you know, I'm good at
Speaker 1: quantifying the street ship to match the fourteen hundred dollar
Speaker 1: memes that's going on. Proble niggas are celebrating four hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: most expensive dollars of all time, four hundred dollars. Somebody
Speaker 1: had a picture of the the movie cover for Losing
Speaker 1: Isaiah and cross Our Isaiah and put fourteen hundred and
Speaker 1: then before so it says losing fourteen God, so I'm
Speaker 1: laughing at all these memes that all the hommies are sharing.
Speaker 1: But what I realized was people are truly celebrating getting
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred dollars in Germany or in England. They're paying
Speaker 1: every month, right, And obviously we have E D D,
Speaker 1: we have some other things, but no, we have do
Speaker 1: they have a difference? Yeah. So, so here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to take a full throated look in
Speaker 1: American history, or an unbiased look in American history and
Speaker 1: come away with any other conclusion than that the place
Speaker 1: of Black Americans in this country is almost completely intentional.
Speaker 1: Because then because and I'll tell you why, it's tough,
Speaker 1: because we're not talking about things that have to be interpreted.
Speaker 1: We've talked, we're talking about so with slavery and intentional
Speaker 1: act absolutely without a doubt. But but but I don't
Speaker 1: think but it was racially motivating. Well, so here, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was because it was black people. I
Speaker 1: think it happened so to So here's the deal. That's
Speaker 1: actually untrue. So it the mode, the motive for slavery
Speaker 1: in the history of the world has just to do
Speaker 1: with power and economics. Right. However, the concept of race
Speaker 1: blackness was invented for the purpose of slavery, like it
Speaker 1: was in this is We're we're talking about popes involved
Speaker 1: and people like child and there was African people were
Speaker 1: such an economic boom two places that had slavery that
Speaker 1: keeping those people as less than as something other than
Speaker 1: human was important to keep the money coming in. Right,
Speaker 1: But would you not agree that it started? Because okay,
Speaker 1: because where could you buy white slaves for as long
Speaker 1: well not as not as long as there there's been
Speaker 1: slavery every every every different place, every kind and every
Speaker 1: every place has had slavery. So but my point is
Speaker 1: this though, So whether or not it was racially motivated
Speaker 1: or not in its essence though, But but what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is whether or not it was racially motive motivated
Speaker 1: or not, it was on purpose. Okay, first slave, let
Speaker 1: me find another person they did this? Okay? Was Jim
Speaker 1: Crow an intentional act? Hands down? Why? Because? Now? But because?
Speaker 1: But is it is it intentional? At this point? Because
Speaker 1: it's very It's intentional for one reason. It's it's intentional
Speaker 1: because there were generations of people that saw black Americans
Speaker 1: as less than them, and they decided for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: that they didn't want to share their society with them. Okay,
Speaker 1: so coming agree with that statement. Okay, tell me why
Speaker 1: do you think Jim Crow happened. Jim Crow happened because
Speaker 1: one party that had power at the time and had
Speaker 1: the ability to write those laws down was going to
Speaker 1: get run the funk out of office, so they put
Speaker 1: up barriers of entry from losing their power and a
Speaker 1: bipartisan Okay, so let me ask you this, then, why
Speaker 1: didn't they court those people as potential voters to their party?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Couldn't be done because the other party had
Speaker 1: just that. It's not that it couldn't be it not.
Speaker 1: It's not that it couldn't be done, is that they
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. So Van, that's a great point. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a fantastic point because
Speaker 1: but but if you started courting at that time, how
Speaker 1: long does it take to so you had so listen
Speaker 1: the other party, right has It's like now they're fighting
Speaker 1: for you to be free. Right, So here's the thing
Speaker 1: campaign contributions. So here's the thing. It's uncontroversial that there
Speaker 1: was rampant racism in the Old South, right, some controversial.
Speaker 1: Jim Crow was definitely a political act, for sure, without
Speaker 1: a doubt, Jim Crow was a political act. And you
Speaker 1: saw people come out of Reconstruction, people like PBS pinch
Speaker 1: Back that showed that there could be uh black politicians
Speaker 1: or black people that rolls up in the politic cool ranks.
Speaker 1: The reality of this is everything that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Let's forget about if we're let's let's let's back off
Speaker 1: the set the subject that it has to do with racism. Right.
Speaker 1: Let me let's let's say that I grant you that
Speaker 1: I don't in any way think that that's true. But
Speaker 1: let's say I grant you that what I'm telling you
Speaker 1: is that they're still an intentionality to this that is
Speaker 1: being focused on one group. Right, And let's move past that,
Speaker 1: Let's move into let's move into the next century. Right,
Speaker 1: the Reconstruction takes us out of one century into the
Speaker 1: next century. Let's look at places where Black Americans were
Speaker 1: able to kind of consolidate wealth. Let's look at places
Speaker 1: where Black Americans were able to actually build that wealth. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's look at these places and see what happened to them.
Speaker 1: Then beyond that, let's look at rentlining. Okay, let's look
Speaker 1: at all of these things that are done in an
Speaker 1: intentional way, Okay, to affect a specific community. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not painting the picture of a boogeyman. I'm like when
Speaker 1: I when I'm what I'm telling you is that I
Speaker 1: think we I think we Black Americans in this country
Speaker 1: have filled a servant class for a long time. But
Speaker 1: it's because in masses they started off that way, right,
Speaker 1: what it was. My point is this, though, My point
Speaker 1: is it didn't just happen this way. It was on purpose.
Speaker 1: But but and and for and for what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so and to a degree, to a degree, even crack
Speaker 1: was on purpose, Okay, So so and even when you
Speaker 1: look at when you look at the introduction of crack
Speaker 1: into neighborhoods, and when you look at that, the people
Speaker 1: that were targeted in order to bring in order to
Speaker 1: make that happen were the same people that are expendable
Speaker 1: in American society. So I think that the the my
Speaker 1: issue with this is we stand back and we look
Speaker 1: at sort of uh, we stand back and we look
Speaker 1: at hundreds of years of intentionality, right, hundreds of years
Speaker 1: intentional because you know what else would have been an
Speaker 1: intentional act, let's say slavery is over. An intentional act
Speaker 1: would have been reparations. An intentional act would have been
Speaker 1: an intentional act would have said, hey, look, you guys
Speaker 1: have been doing hundreds of years of free labor. We
Speaker 1: want you to be full participants in the American system
Speaker 1: at the same time that we're giving away millions of
Speaker 1: acres of land once again, millions of late acres of
Speaker 1: land and giving all of the resources to two peasants,
Speaker 1: basically all the resources under there to those people. At
Speaker 1: the same time, we're giving millions away acres of land.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that there were black people
Speaker 1: that didn't participate, the homes were. But what we should
Speaker 1: do is gift you guys with something to give you
Speaker 1: a Legosly was that not done. The opposite was done.
Speaker 1: They limited it your Americans, and so building upon that,
Speaker 1: I think it's not just I think it's it's almost
Speaker 1: it's mh. It goes without saying that there will be
Speaker 1: disparities and communities like that exists now. So it was
Speaker 1: the grandest plan, not even the grandest plan it's the
Speaker 1: way things shook out, right, but it's the way things
Speaker 1: shook out in a very intentional way, right, in a
Speaker 1: very intentional way. Now what happens is okay, so we're
Speaker 1: in a better place where we were. Then people go
Speaker 1: all right, step back, black people, fix it, fix it,
Speaker 1: fix it. Look at all these people making all of
Speaker 1: these individual decisions in this community, right, this community that
Speaker 1: they live in, that's a food desert that has a
Speaker 1: freeway running over the top of it. So people even
Speaker 1: have to drive through and see how people are living
Speaker 1: in this community where they live in that have that
Speaker 1: have this entire set of circumstances. I never thought about that,
Speaker 1: and and this entire set of circumstances. You can live
Speaker 1: in l A. Your the one tin takes you from
Speaker 1: downtown oh five what oh five, which you pass, don't
Speaker 1: even have to before that, you had to see wats
Speaker 1: you had to see if you're driving down Imperial. And
Speaker 1: they tried to say they built the freeway because people
Speaker 1: were getting robbed. But it's the best way to the reason.
Speaker 1: I'm damn, I never thought about that, bro. You just
Speaker 1: turn something on. That's what they don't like about hip
Speaker 1: hop shows. You it exposes what's really going on where
Speaker 1: we're from. They do a Historically, they've done a great
Speaker 1: job at hiding it. I brought a kid from Coaster, Mason, Right.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go to the projects. He his dad
Speaker 1: on the club and he ran the club. Right. It
Speaker 1: was no, but think about it, though, think about it.
Speaker 1: If you've only heard about places in rap songs, you
Speaker 1: ought to think about hip hopping it. Me and Van
Speaker 1: go back and forth. We always disagree about this, right,
Speaker 1: and always tell him it's the upside down. Did you
Speaker 1: cut the top off of one of those vans? No? Bro?
Speaker 1: But look, he books me for a show. I do
Speaker 1: the show and we're chopping up and he's a cooler
Speaker 1: young dude. He's he's a youngster. He's twenty one at
Speaker 1: the time. I'm about twenty nine. And he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I heard about watch Man. You know I'll love it.
Speaker 1: Go see it. I'm like, you want to go to
Speaker 1: watch me? Like yeah. I was like, all right, I
Speaker 1: come pick you up and I'll show you. So this
Speaker 1: is somewhere he's never been. Monu is like twenty minutes away, right,
Speaker 1: So I take him to Watts, Right, I take him
Speaker 1: to the neighborhood. I take him to the Pj's, I
Speaker 1: take him to Hawkins and let him eat. He's just
Speaker 1: looking and you could tell he never saw that much
Speaker 1: poverty in his life. I mean, it's hard to look
Speaker 1: at who I want to look at it. Right. It's
Speaker 1: also freeways of built, some people can get around more efficiently.
Speaker 1: But but but but my point is, but I say that
Speaker 1: just and and that's important because everything that we know,
Speaker 1: why has a positive spin on it? Sure political, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: And so the only thing that I would the only
Speaker 1: thing I'm saying is this. It's it's no doubt about
Speaker 1: the fact to me right now that if Black Americans
Speaker 1: are to change their circumstances in America, that's why the
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not on the white ally train, um
Speaker 1: is because it's not that I don't want allies. Anybody
Speaker 1: should want allies, And anything that you're trying to do
Speaker 1: is just that for me, Um, it's more important that
Speaker 1: we know what it is that we need to do.
Speaker 1: It's not even about it's you're more equipped to hit
Speaker 1: a goal when you know what it is that you're
Speaker 1: up against or where you know you have this kind
Speaker 1: of right type of gang bang around where the homies
Speaker 1: wanted to click up. Whether I'll be like nab Bro right,
Speaker 1: Let's let's establish who we are culturally. Let's focus on
Speaker 1: our own situation before we just take on allies. Because
Speaker 1: when you take on allies, you also take on enemies.
Speaker 1: You take on adjustments to way of life, and you
Speaker 1: don't have yours. No gang. It could be a gang
Speaker 1: as big as the role of sixties right with Uncle them.
Speaker 1: It could be a gang as big as uh the
Speaker 1: Angle with families munching them. Nobody has a true cultural
Speaker 1: identity in these places, like especially the bigger gangs, like
Speaker 1: the guys that's you know across Crenshaw are one way.
Speaker 1: When you know, when you're talk about coming up slassing,
Speaker 1: the guys were uncondems from you know, the Front down
Speaker 1: Western They're one way. The a g guys are a
Speaker 1: little bit like the Front guys, the guys off Arlington.
Speaker 1: Then you get into the ass. Those guys have a
Speaker 1: community that's based and create their culture. It's not too crazy,
Speaker 1: but it is different. And then once you cross chris
Speaker 1: Shaw and you start getting over the bron Hurst and
Speaker 1: streets culturally, and then the over hills back there where
Speaker 1: you've been there. Uh, simply wholesome. Those guys are different.
Speaker 1: So I would pump to my homies like, bro, like,
Speaker 1: we don't need to take on allies, we don't need clicks.
Speaker 1: And my big homie had a great point from a
Speaker 1: social status. He was like, yeah, but we need to
Speaker 1: we need to colonize. He didn't say these words. That's
Speaker 1: when it came to we need to colonize other gangs
Speaker 1: so that our legacy doesn't dwind off. And I told him,
Speaker 1: what good is creating a colonize of something that isn't
Speaker 1: stable in the first place. You're just creating chaos all over.
Speaker 1: Define out of stone what it is, then you could
Speaker 1: take it somewhere else. But if you don't have an
Speaker 1: agreement of what it is, just here and you go
Speaker 1: colon you're creating chaos all over. And what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do is create hell. You're not creating a heaven or
Speaker 1: even beneficial situation for no other human being. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean basically it's it.
Speaker 1: Human nature is a part of this, obviously, it's a it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because to a degree, a lot of these
Speaker 1: things in the grandest scheme of things. They they're not
Speaker 1: going to matter. Like black people have been trying to
Speaker 1: convince America to repair its community. You you broke the community,
Speaker 1: now fixing we've been trying to do that. Borrow your
Speaker 1: fucking car is Yeah, it's like it's like they've been
Speaker 1: trying to do that for a long time. I think
Speaker 1: what has happened now is forget about, uh repairing the
Speaker 1: system right now. I think that Americans have to decide
Speaker 1: whether or not they want to build a new system,
Speaker 1: and it do only the real The thing that's changing
Speaker 1: this is the Internet, because the Internet allows shared experiences
Speaker 1: in a way that didn't happen before. So there are
Speaker 1: a lot of groups that thought they only had on
Speaker 1: both sides of it. By the way, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of groups that thought they only had these specific problems.
Speaker 1: But now everybody's starting to see that they're common threads there.
Speaker 1: And the question is like, how do we build a
Speaker 1: better America? And the reality is that we build a
Speaker 1: better America with capitalization, with capitalizing as much as we
Speaker 1: can on the talent and the skill set of individual
Speaker 1: American citizens. Right, America suffers when specific communities don't do
Speaker 1: as well. It doesn't feel like they suffer, right, but
Speaker 1: they do. America suffers when there's like having a broke home.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of rich niggas together and you got
Speaker 1: these three broken niggas as always exactly incoming the way
Speaker 1: that we have it right now. I think the his
Speaker 1: question on the table of I mean, like, look at
Speaker 1: the general perception of like the rich white Republican guys.
Speaker 1: He wants his money and f you. But that guy
Speaker 1: doesn't want to pay taxes, He doesn't want to pay
Speaker 1: into social programs. He would love a ten percent increase
Speaker 1: in the GDP by greater overall efficiency of the economy
Speaker 1: or greater interpretation or participation within the economy. The biggest
Speaker 1: question on the table in reality and from a number standpoint,
Speaker 1: like financially is what is the startup cost for this venture?
Speaker 1: How do we pay it? Can we afford to pay it?
Speaker 1: And when do we afford? And when can we afford
Speaker 1: to pay It's it's that kind of question, what what what? What?
Speaker 1: Which vitra we're talking about? Oh No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't I think the if
Speaker 1: you were asked me, there are people that are way
Speaker 1: you know, there are people that are way better versed.
Speaker 1: In terms of those I don't even think about that,
Speaker 1: And in terms of that, I don't think about what
Speaker 1: America needs to pay to. There are people that are
Speaker 1: looking into that and studying that, and they'll probably have
Speaker 1: numbers and facts right right, right, um. And so for
Speaker 1: for me, I think the questions that I'm asking is
Speaker 1: the things that I'm trying to build. The apparatus is
Speaker 1: the stuff that I'm trying to do for my community.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to ask mainstream America just to
Speaker 1: stay out of my way because I'm to the point
Speaker 1: now to where uh uh, everything is weaponized. My vote
Speaker 1: is weaponized, my opinion is weaponized, my participation is weaponized.
Speaker 1: It's all a weapon. So I vote for you because
Speaker 1: you say you're going to do something. These things might
Speaker 1: be like, for example, the George Floyd Policing Act. Right,
Speaker 1: I voted for a group who said that they would
Speaker 1: get that across. They might have the votes to do it,
Speaker 1: they might not. We'll see what happens, but they're there
Speaker 1: are substence of things that I want to see come
Speaker 1: out of the administration, right, and if not, I look
Speaker 1: for somebody else to vote for there's no more allegiance
Speaker 1: or loyalty culturally to to to anything outside of us.
Speaker 1: What exists inside of us is getting ship done. That's
Speaker 1: what should exist well for the people, for the people
Speaker 1: that I've called used to find a robust individualism and
Speaker 1: an anti uh what what's the word? Um my government?
Speaker 1: Getting the obstructionist a non obstructionist perspective which kind of
Speaker 1: falls to the individuals within the whole kind of perspective
Speaker 1: at least for you as an individual, get out of
Speaker 1: my way and stop like the reddest red nick in America. Right.
Speaker 1: But what what I'm saying is that that why when
Speaker 1: you think about it, when when when Malcolm X god
Speaker 1: with uh George Rockwell, yeah, it's because their visions were
Speaker 1: the same. See. But my point is, though, is that
Speaker 1: I'm using cultural solidarity to build that and the cultural
Speaker 1: solidarity that I'm building has to be from an understanding
Speaker 1: of the the historical context of American oppression. Right, So
Speaker 1: I have to tell so the history of the country
Speaker 1: is always important. The only time American history isn't important
Speaker 1: is when it comes to black people. So everything else
Speaker 1: is never forget, never forget Pearl Harbor, never forget non
Speaker 1: in levels. Never forget that. But hey, slavery, move on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Jim Crow, move on. Moving
Speaker 1: past nailing was like it was no, no, and so
Speaker 1: so the reality, the reality is that the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm looking at those communities is because fixing those communities,
Speaker 1: to me, doesn't have anything to do with pretending that
Speaker 1: because they want to be Yeah, you know you know
Speaker 1: what money is. You're speaking my language. I've said consistently,
Speaker 1: if me, Jay Rock Tyree's Cam, Um, a couple of
Speaker 1: us about the Watts, if we focused on just what's
Speaker 1: we could fix it. We could repair what's been fractured
Speaker 1: in our community. Um, that type of blueprint shared with
Speaker 1: all these different communities you know North Compton, South Compton,
Speaker 1: or West Compton, East Compton, you know the different sectors
Speaker 1: of bad rouge. You can create all of these situations.
Speaker 1: But um, I've been preaching that for a while. True.
Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is the first thing is I mean,
Speaker 1: like any place that's not functioning, WHI it's the right.
Speaker 1: The first thing you want to do is leave a place.
Speaker 1: And I hate that people act like I wrapped. I
Speaker 1: told him I never wrapped to get out of the hood.
Speaker 1: Like if I wanted to get out here, I just
Speaker 1: got out of the hood, I said, I wrapped to
Speaker 1: express what was happening there. This is something just something
Speaker 1: that irritaates me with me when he sometimes he talks
Speaker 1: like that, he'd be like, yeah, you know, the first
Speaker 1: goal is get out the hood. No it's not. Well
Speaker 1: it it It makes sense that it is. But the
Speaker 1: reality is that those places and that's why you work
Speaker 1: in the places that you. I mean, you can move
Speaker 1: to somebody else, but you to somewhere else, you still
Speaker 1: have to be connected. We should really concentrate on making
Speaker 1: those places beautiful. I can tell you what right now,
Speaker 1: when the corporate money comes in, they make them beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's that's a philosophical problem. That's a a beef that
Speaker 1: I have as an outside. It's not like beef, but
Speaker 1: it's like an I wish that wasn't the perspective. You
Speaker 1: know that you have to leave knowing that you somehow
Speaker 1: are anchored or tied by identity to this particular piece
Speaker 1: of geography. Like my two generations ago, my family was
Speaker 1: all Compton, Lynnwood, south Gate, Huntington Park, all of them.
Speaker 1: They got some money and they went, let's go someplace nicer,
Speaker 1: And that was most of my friend's grandparents the same thing.
Speaker 1: And it frustrates me as like I don't like an
Speaker 1: external advocate or whatever of your guy's community. Ever you
Speaker 1: want to describe me external advocate, like I hired outside
Speaker 1: and volunteer outside consultants as an externalsop as a as
Speaker 1: an external advocate. But you but I'm saying like that
Speaker 1: to say this, like you don't see like for example,
Speaker 1: like I mean, bat and Ruge just a lot like
Speaker 1: Memphis is a lot, like New Orleans is a lot,
Speaker 1: like Birmingham. You know a lot of those places. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why it's been a lot of them. He
Speaker 1: so he only days sisters, But have you been the
Speaker 1: baton rouge? Not been a baton rouge? But I know
Speaker 1: people who have understand so they let me so. But
Speaker 1: when but you have to ask him what you mean
Speaker 1: when he said, because I've been about you got to
Speaker 1: ask you what you mean when he said, They're like
Speaker 1: when you say that, like whe They're like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? They are aliking that they have a disproportionately
Speaker 1: relative to the overall national average minority community and they
Speaker 1: are not economically thriving year in and year out at
Speaker 1: the level that other metropolitans are. So the reason why
Speaker 1: I pushed back on that is because if you were,
Speaker 1: if you were from South bad Rouge, you don't understand
Speaker 1: why it's so important to me. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's not a foreign thing. No, it's it's not, it's
Speaker 1: not it's it's like, that's that's not a foreign thing.
Speaker 1: We're like that. People are like that about America. Understand that.
Speaker 1: Damn people like people like this ain't other countries like
Speaker 1: people are. There was a British guy on on Twitter
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of weeks ago last week
Speaker 1: that got his ass tore up because he said something
Speaker 1: about there's there's a there's nothing that America does better
Speaker 1: than Britain, and all the Americans got mad. If you're
Speaker 1: from America, you have you're connected to it, you have
Speaker 1: this false this is some pride, really and so and
Speaker 1: so and so for me, it's like, it's not for it,
Speaker 1: it's not for it's as like the people there, if
Speaker 1: for no other reason than I know what they need
Speaker 1: and I don't, right, But the reason why I don't
Speaker 1: live there is because my industry doesn't exist there, but
Speaker 1: it's incredibly important to me that he creates the industry there,
Speaker 1: that I create not only create that industry there, but
Speaker 1: that my presence back at home it still felt that
Speaker 1: people can still feel proud, that he's feel proud, and
Speaker 1: not only that that we're consistently shout Gary Chambers for
Speaker 1: Gary Chambers for Congress, Go don't they vote to Gary Chambers.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to like call you out. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: with you, But what I'm saying is it's just it's
Speaker 1: very important for me to be tapped in because there
Speaker 1: are people that need my help, and I like your approach.
Speaker 1: I don't I wonder at some point when there's a
Speaker 1: diminishing returns. You know now that you could draw it
Speaker 1: out mathematically, but you understand like when you're staying to
Speaker 1: your own detriment for the purpose of staying. But who
Speaker 1: is that really helping? But this is or is it help?
Speaker 1: Or is it are you helping the most? But there's
Speaker 1: no detriment. See. The issue is that we confuse that
Speaker 1: staying where we're from is a detriment. It hand be. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's only a benefit. Do people that live
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills, move out of Beverly Hills depends. Come on,
Speaker 1: people don't people don't have a problem with Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: But soon. So the reality is that they live in
Speaker 1: up they like they people people that live in Brentwood,
Speaker 1: people that live in Brentwood, people in the community. They
Speaker 1: they're part of a community there and it's very important
Speaker 1: to them. And so the reality is that most people
Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills aren't from Beverly Hills. The point but
Speaker 1: but that but no, no, not hard. But they get
Speaker 1: there and the longest they can stay. It's actually not
Speaker 1: a good point because the reality is that there are
Speaker 1: two types of Beverly Hills. People from Beverly Hills. They're
Speaker 1: people like anywhere else. There are people that move to
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. And then they're people that have been living
Speaker 1: there for a long time. There's people that are hill there.
Speaker 1: There are people that there are people that are millionaires
Speaker 1: now simply because they bought homes in the neighborhood where
Speaker 1: the property value went up over the last six years.
Speaker 1: Second so so what so, what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: to me, what I look at, the first thing I
Speaker 1: look at is fixing communities. And the question is how
Speaker 1: do we do that. There's not a place that exists
Speaker 1: right now that cannot be beautiful, right so period like
Speaker 1: so so how look what they did the palace Verds.
Speaker 1: That's a landfill, right beautiful? So how do we make
Speaker 1: our communities beautiful? Did you know that? Though I did
Speaker 1: not know that palace or it's my favorite place in
Speaker 1: l A, it's my it was, it was my go
Speaker 1: look it up. It's crazy, blew me away because I
Speaker 1: used to always. I always used to drive over there
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, well, you know that used
Speaker 1: to be a landfill. But I know that I used
Speaker 1: to be inspired by. But I agree with you. But
Speaker 1: the point, Peter is it's never to my detriment when
Speaker 1: I'm in Watts because the problem is I am not
Speaker 1: in Watts. That's the problem. If I was in Watts,
Speaker 1: I could do nothing but uplifted don't mean, don't me wrong.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be the old Glasses doing Old Glasses ship
Speaker 1: and uplifted. But this version Glasses four point oh is
Speaker 1: a lot different for me. So if I'm now, if
Speaker 1: I'm actively participating in the same bullshit I was actively
Speaker 1: participating in that could be to my detriment. But the
Speaker 1: stuff that you are able to do outside of Watts
Speaker 1: is greater than the stuff you're able to do inside
Speaker 1: of WATTS. Same thing, I do, the same thing. There
Speaker 1: was nothing I canna do. Well. I personally think that, Look,
Speaker 1: I think that let's speak to my I don't think
Speaker 1: that my community is too far gone for it to
Speaker 1: be a better place, right And I think that once
Speaker 1: it is, you'll see better outcomes. And you have a
Speaker 1: better community, you have better school, you have better housing,
Speaker 1: you have a better diet, you have all of these things. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of these things take making hard decisions, and
Speaker 1: they take putting people over profit, or they take putting
Speaker 1: people um which is different, which is which is a
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do. Right back to those hand car
Speaker 1: washing especially, yeah, especially if we live in an age
Speaker 1: of hyper capitalism. Hyper yeah, right, Well, it's like like
Speaker 1: n f T S bro make money, money, money, money, money, mony, money,
Speaker 1: offer me nothing for anybody else. And even American society
Speaker 1: in and of itself wasn't always that way. Capitalism always existed,
Speaker 1: but there was a point in our in our history
Speaker 1: where the American worker matic And these are things that
Speaker 1: don't have. These are things that are raceless, like these
Speaker 1: are things that you see skeletons of cities. That's what
Speaker 1: Trump was setting. Well he was he he was selling it,
Speaker 1: but not really in any real way because it's it's
Speaker 1: in theory. As a mass, it's almost an impossible place
Speaker 1: to move back towards. Well, it depends you. You have
Speaker 1: to make some decisions. If you you can't, you probably couldn't.
Speaker 1: You probably couldn't as a mass. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: the idea of it, Yeah, it just it, it depends.
Speaker 1: It depends on what everybody's once again, what everybody's priorities are,
Speaker 1: and if the if the priorities, Look, if the priorities
Speaker 1: are to make as much money, and that's what the
Speaker 1: corporation is, the priorities making as much money as humanly possible,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you you're gonna move your your base of operations,
Speaker 1: your factories too. But they're all transactional. How so, what
Speaker 1: do you mean, Well, how does a corporation get money?
Speaker 1: I know, I know what that means, but what do
Speaker 1: you mean by that though? I mean, for example, like
Speaker 1: in the context of the American worker, the American worker
Speaker 1: gets compromised by the international worker in the international marketplace.
Speaker 1: The person who benefits the most from that appears to
Speaker 1: be the guy at the top, the person who also bet.
Speaker 1: The people who benefit the most of that in mass
Speaker 1: are the consumers who can get that at a much
Speaker 1: lower price. But but that's true. But if they're just drinking.
Speaker 1: But if the but if their jobs they need right
Speaker 1: so so, but their job doesn't necessarily disappear like you
Speaker 1: might have your job in this sector might be still holding.
Speaker 1: But that happens in another sector. But she was the
Speaker 1: consumer can consume this, so now your job here is
Speaker 1: better than it was last week. But America, the mass
Speaker 1: is on the assembly line, So my thing is the
Speaker 1: only The only arguments against what you're saying are Ohio
Speaker 1: and Detroit, specially Pittsburgh and even Compton. The only especially
Speaker 1: the only arguments to what you're saying are are ghost towns.
Speaker 1: And also the fact that as the one percent is
Speaker 1: gained more wealth in this country, wages for the average
Speaker 1: and average American have largely state stagnant. So there's there's
Speaker 1: economic evidence to say that being able to consume something
Speaker 1: for a lower price it's not advantageous to people who
Speaker 1: can't work, and by the way, as healthcare has become
Speaker 1: it becomes a necessity, right, you have to have it
Speaker 1: priced it don't nobody got no fucking money, right and
Speaker 1: so and so what and what I'm saying is is
Speaker 1: it's look, it's gonna happen. There, there's a we're getting
Speaker 1: towards we're getting to a tipping point. Well, we're getting
Speaker 1: to a tipping point where we're gonna have to like
Speaker 1: take off this look at our society and decide kind
Speaker 1: of what it is that that we wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And this look, I don't own any big corporations. I
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with anybody getting money like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have any problems with anybody getting money. I do.
Speaker 1: But my thing is this, though this is going too far.
Speaker 1: It's it's becoming flagrant and obvious that we can't continue
Speaker 1: this way that we we we we just we we
Speaker 1: just we can't continue this way. And there these are
Speaker 1: these are not their indicators of Look, the best thing
Speaker 1: that Trump was able to do was to get poor
Speaker 1: and working class whites to buy into the act that
Speaker 1: they're not the ones getting fucked as well, because they are.
Speaker 1: I was the first time they realized it, like because
Speaker 1: because they definitely are. They definitely are. It's back to
Speaker 1: the same poor people. He's to that same conversation. But
Speaker 1: but I think Pete is it's huh. Culturally, it's just
Speaker 1: a connection. Um, I was gonna thrive no matter where
Speaker 1: I was. Person You're acceptionable. Same for a van. It's
Speaker 1: a it's some of us i Q high even when
Speaker 1: I took the combinations from right, but I could have
Speaker 1: did the same thing there. I couldn't do the same
Speaker 1: thing that and it actually can mean more. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: why ain't what he used to be? Like we already
Speaker 1: lost that fight. We love us and in two thousands,
Speaker 1: you know, in the lake before this last decade, like
Speaker 1: I think nine or ten when they sold the projects
Speaker 1: and gentrification set in. So we behind a ball, right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's pretty much a sover. It's a
Speaker 1: matter of time for the move. I think it's about
Speaker 1: of there. But there's a sense in us where we
Speaker 1: have to help our people, like we know why we
Speaker 1: have the i Q. That's the tricky part. When you
Speaker 1: know you've been blessed with it, you know it's because
Speaker 1: you're supposed to. You might start off with confusion. But eventually,
Speaker 1: if you keep your sanity, if you keep your health,
Speaker 1: you'll start realizing it's for other people and the people
Speaker 1: that can't help themselves for sure. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a tricky thing, do you know. It's something you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You said something about the C students, right,
Speaker 1: m it's really bad to be a C student for
Speaker 1: for a while, I'm from It's not, no, I know that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my point. Right, Well, because George Buss was a
Speaker 1: student president and so like what and so an animalous
Speaker 1: statistically irrelevant? Well, no, I would say that. I would.
Speaker 1: I would say I would say it's not statically statistically
Speaker 1: irrelevant because the president, the next white guy that came
Speaker 1: after George Bush got a million dollar a heads start
Speaker 1: from his father. I would say that the guy that
Speaker 1: George Bush ran against Al Gore, I'd say, Okay, well
Speaker 1: what was his dad? You know what I mean. I'd
Speaker 1: say that you can go it's not stacifically irrelevant among
Speaker 1: president No, spacifically irrelevant from a data set among thifty
Speaker 1: million people. Well, I'm telling you that amongst the presidents
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, or anybody that's in that situation.
Speaker 1: The I got out of the mud, I started back.
Speaker 1: I'm from Longa Linda Richard Nixon sort of situation, or
Speaker 1: Barack Obama situation, or even from California. He's from Yorba Linda.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. So when I'm like, what, like, what I'm
Speaker 1: telling you is that there's their disparities there that play
Speaker 1: into that. Right, So you know, George Bush is George
Speaker 1: bus becomes president more because his ancestors are on the Mayflower,
Speaker 1: unless because he's exceptional in any way, right, and so
Speaker 1: most presidents are not exceptional. Politics is a luxury. Well,
Speaker 1: the black one was. The Black one was hyper exceptional
Speaker 1: in every way. I said, most except president. But it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a sport for the for of luxury,
Speaker 1: you know, and especially people like the highest DOQ people.
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, that that that most guys
Speaker 1: they all come from my beligu not but but but
Speaker 1: there's two proms to that. Not only is it a
Speaker 1: sport of luxury, it's a sport of luxury for the incompetent,
Speaker 1: because the hyper competent with the hyper means are the
Speaker 1: ones who are going to channel that energy into a
Speaker 1: personal endeavor in their early twenties and go start IBM
Speaker 1: or go make a bazillion dollars doing this or doing that.
Speaker 1: Why that's why, Well, what I mean, well, that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true to a degree, but it's also also people
Speaker 1: craft you to be what it is they need you
Speaker 1: to be. But I but I'd say this, I'd say
Speaker 1: that what we're talking about not just in no situations,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about other places that are the seat
Speaker 1: of American power, right, and there are very few people
Speaker 1: that created all of these companies that we're talking about
Speaker 1: that came from nothing. We watched that show, I was
Speaker 1: watching it last night, The Food that Made America right
Speaker 1: when you turn her, she talked about all of these
Speaker 1: guys right, well her, she was the only one that
Speaker 1: really a couple of them had what what I'm telling
Speaker 1: you is this. So what I'm saying is like you
Speaker 1: have an idea, right, it's eighteen seventy five or your
Speaker 1: your you want to start out, you to make a company,
Speaker 1: or it's nineteen hundred, you want to do this, right,
Speaker 1: all of those guys did what glasses stole the ideas.
Speaker 1: They stole the ideas. But when they stole the ideas.
Speaker 1: What did they do? They went got loans. Now, let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question if they almost always the
Speaker 1: lines got along when he shouldn't have been able to
Speaker 1: even they got loans. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: If you're a black man and you even catch up
Speaker 1: and or not invent cash up where you come up
Speaker 1: with ketchup, but you come up with chocolate. You do
Speaker 1: something like that in I need to go to a
Speaker 1: bank to get a loan to find at you in
Speaker 1: eight can you