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Speaker 1: Well, welcome to another edition of Gasoline Ally. We're down

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Speaker 1: here today. We're talking to Bill Steamy. Bilt is the

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Speaker 1: motorsports manager for Wicks Filters. He is a former engineer

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Speaker 1: for Wicks. He's got a lifelong love of automobiles and

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Speaker 1: designing and creating parts. I'm sure it's going to come

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Speaker 1: out in the interview and we're excited to talk to him. Bill.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, Happy.

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Speaker 2: To have you. Good Hello, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: All right? You know, let's start at the beginning because

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about NASCAR a little

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Speaker 1: bit in this conversation and probably a lot of other things.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you look at as a consumer. For

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Speaker 1: a consumer to walk into a box store and buy

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Speaker 1: an air, a fuel or a cabin filter, you know,

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Speaker 1: to them, it's just something in a box. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more to it. Right.

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Speaker 2: What sort of.

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Speaker 1: Effort goes into designing proper filters today for our vehicles.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that that I've seen

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Speaker 2: over the years, as the concern I have is people

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Speaker 2: may go in and buy an expense of synthetic or

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Speaker 2: part synthetic oil and then buy a low cost oil

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Speaker 2: filter to go along with that. Now, one of the

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Speaker 2: problems with that is, if you're going to spend the

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Speaker 2: money to buy an expensive oil, you should buy quality filter.

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Speaker 2: In a lot of cases, we see our competitors advertise

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Speaker 2: a high efficiency filter. However, particularly efficiency alone is not

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Speaker 2: a true measure of long term filter performance. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of other things that go into design and filter.

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Speaker 2: At Wick Filters, we take a look at the filter

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Speaker 2: design in multiple categories of performance. We look at capacity efficiency,

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Speaker 2: the low restriction, We look at the first strength elements,

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Speaker 2: colap strength, bypass vowel performance and a drain back vowel performance,

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Speaker 2: an impulse of the tie are all critical filter design

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Speaker 2: parameters for a street car engine.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just it's not just hey, I've got

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Speaker 1: to filter that filters out all the dirt, that's all

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Speaker 1: you need. There's much more to.

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Speaker 2: It than that, Yes, sir, most certainly.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you create an oil filter for

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Speaker 1: that street car, for that person that wants to go

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Speaker 1: maybe a higher mileage oil drain interval. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: their manufacturers calling for a five or six and they

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Speaker 1: want to go to ten, or maybe their manufacturers going

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Speaker 1: for ten and they're using the standard filter and correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. But my understanding is a lot

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Speaker 1: of the standard filters that manufacturers have may may not

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Speaker 1: necessarily meet that higher mileage requirement as well as it could,

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Speaker 1: and there's the need for a higher mileage oil filter.

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Speaker 2: Right, That is exactly right. The filteration media has to

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Speaker 2: survive the life of the oil change, whether it's six

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Speaker 2: thousand miles or ten thousand miles, because what happened when

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Speaker 2: that filter meets its maximum capacity The filter plugs, and

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Speaker 2: the filter may go into bypass, and then you're just

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Speaker 2: circulating unfiltered, contaminated oil through the internet.

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Speaker 1: Explain that to the listeners built because I understand what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. But when you say the filter goes into bypass, yes,

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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 2: So what happens with the filter is and we see

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Speaker 2: this as many of our competitors advertising just the high

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Speaker 2: efficiency filter, we can take out contaminate down in the

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Speaker 2: five to ten micron range, which is pointing zero zero

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Speaker 2: zero three inches in diameter. However, if that media is

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Speaker 2: there's not enough media to capture all the contaminant in

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Speaker 2: the oil. The filter plugs, the differential pressure builds up

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Speaker 2: across the filter and the bypass in the filter or

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Speaker 2: in the engine block will open, and then you're circulating

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Speaker 2: unfiltered oil through the engine. So it's like you have

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Speaker 2: no filter at all.

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Speaker 1: And then and then that leads the problems. Obviously you're

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Speaker 1: just running dirty oil through all the engine components and

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Speaker 1: we create engine damage, wow, mature engine wear. So does

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Speaker 1: this also apply to fuel and air and cabin filters.

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Speaker 1: This whole concept of you know, filtration, Obviously, now we're

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Speaker 1: learning that you know filtration is not all the same,

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Speaker 1: maybe is a fair way to say it.

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Speaker 2: Now, In the fuel in most cases you would not

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Speaker 2: fuel mileage engine performance itself. On the cabin air filter side,

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Speaker 2: in manictions, you have cabin air filters. The most cars

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Speaker 2: the cabin of the vehicle, and that's the air that

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Speaker 2: you breathe. And if you have a filter that fells

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Speaker 2: in that situation, you may smell that inside the car.

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Speaker 2: You may have contaminate being this privage inside the vehicle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's an issue, right, if you've got allergies,

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Speaker 1: other contaminants in the air, you want a good clean

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Speaker 1: cabin filter. And the cabin filter needs to be installed correctly.

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Speaker 1: I have to point out I take a lot of

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Speaker 1: filters out at the sh where they're crushed or they're

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Speaker 1: not installed right because it's a poor quality filter. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't fit in the case well, and and that creates

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Speaker 1: a problem. So filter's got to be installed correctly too.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a that's a big deal, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be a high quality filter that designed

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Speaker 2: properly to fit within the parameters of the air filter box.

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Speaker 1: Give me thirty seconds on air filters build, because my

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Speaker 1: question becomes, you know, I actually see, and I know

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Speaker 1: this from hot rotting, that we worry about how air

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Speaker 1: used to enter a carburetor. And obviously now with fuel

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Speaker 1: injection and mass airflow sensors, not all air filters are

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Speaker 1: the same because the way the pleats are made or

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Speaker 1: the way the filter is wove together, if I'm using

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Speaker 1: the right terminology, that affects airflow across the sensor, and

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Speaker 1: that can lead to engine performance problems.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's exactly right. When you look at the airflow

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Speaker 2: across the across the sensor, that affects your fuel knowledge

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Speaker 2: also engine performance. You can also contaminate the sensors inside it,

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Speaker 2: inside the air filter or inside the air box, and

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Speaker 2: that can create issues for the customers going forward.

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Speaker 1: So you may you may think you're getting filtration and

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Speaker 1: protecting the engine, but in reality you're not. Or you

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Speaker 1: may be getting filtration, but you're not getting performance because

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Speaker 1: there's too much turbulence in the air because of the

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Speaker 1: way the air filters designed.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and then you end up with your

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Speaker 2: I got a light on on the action you're headed

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Speaker 2: in to check the light. Right.

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Speaker 1: Wits has been involved with NASCAR for many years. You know,

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Speaker 1: how did that get started? Because that's not a common

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Speaker 1: everyday experience, right, all of a sudden, you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: NASCAR and all that that's about.

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Speaker 2: In the nineteen sixties, Petty Enterprises approached the Wicks Filters

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Speaker 2: about helping them. Thea's races were going out to five

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Speaker 2: to oil contamination. So Petty Enterprises approached Wicks Filters, and

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Speaker 2: our vice president engineering at that time, the gentleman's name

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Speaker 2: is Kingsley Humber. Kingsley worked with Petty Enterprise to help

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Speaker 2: solve that problem. And we've been involved in NASCAR every time.

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Speaker 1: And you guys are doing quite well at it, right

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Speaker 1: You just had a recent team win, a big team

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Speaker 1: win down in NASCAR, didn't you. My spies tell me

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Speaker 1: you had a big time in NASCAR racing, right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Sir, I had a really good time down at Homestead,

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Speaker 2: got an opportunity to go to Victory Lane. We won

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Speaker 2: the races down there, a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And then in the races that followed in the upcoming weeks,

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Speaker 1: Wicks was involved in those as well. As always.

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Speaker 2: Wicks had ten of the twelve cars and trucks racing

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Speaker 2: for the championship down in Phoenix, cool Beans. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: we win.

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Speaker 1: The races all running Wicks filters. So all running Wicks filters.

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Speaker 1: I'm a DI wire, I'm an automotive di I wire.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a DIY project. Talk to me about you

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Speaker 1: in my project? Is there an advantage to that other

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Speaker 1: than the things we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: When you use a high quality filter, you can count

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Speaker 2: on the filter's going to perform like it's supposed to.

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Speaker 2: It's going to protect the engine. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: have the leaks, you're not going to have a ruptured filter.

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Speaker 2: The vehicle's going to perform to specification, and you're going

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Speaker 2: to improve your engine life by doing so.

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Speaker 1: You know, the couple of extra bucks I always explain

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Speaker 1: better filter comes back to reward you with longer life

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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle itself. And look at the price

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Speaker 1: of vehicles today, right, We're not protecting three thousand dollar

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. You don't want to put a five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that doesn't that doesn't work out. You know, Hey, Bill,

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Speaker 1: we're going to pull over and take a pause. When

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Speaker 1: about can you, you know, put your thinking cap on.

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Speaker 1: How are WIS filters engineered? You know it's we've you've

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Speaker 1: from a performance and an every day automobile. You know

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Speaker 1: why why do I want to you know, why do

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Speaker 1: I want a Wix filter? How's it engineered? You know?

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Speaker 1: To make my car last longer? Maybe you can touch

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Speaker 1: All right? You stay put. I'm ronning Anie in the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor here with Bill Stamy. He's the motorsports manager

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Speaker 1: for Wix Filters, and as it turns out, a fountain

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Speaker 1: of information. And we'll both be back right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away. Who's gone? And got Hey? They're ronning

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Speaker 1: Anie in the Car Doctor. We're here with Bill Stamy

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Speaker 1: once again, motorsports manager for Wicks Filters. Bill, when we

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Speaker 1: pulled away and took the pause, it occurred to me,

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Speaker 1: and this may sound silly, but are there cabin filters

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Speaker 2: There certainly is. Back in two thousand and we were

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Speaker 2: approached by Joe Gibbs ra seem to help them with

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Speaker 2: Gibbs raising that filters out both the particular matter the

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Speaker 2: odors from the air with the carbon impregnanty media, and

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Speaker 2: we also took the carbon oxide level from two hundred

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Speaker 2: parts down to five parts per million. That's ninety seven

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Speaker 2: percent efficiency at removing the carbon oxide. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: we received the US patent for this design and it's

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Speaker 2: currently used. The grandfather for this design is used on

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Speaker 2: every Cup car, every Extinity car, and every truck and

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Speaker 2: NASCAR that races every weekend.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I guess NASCAR cars do have cabin filters, and

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Speaker 1: I can understand the need. So, you know, Joe Gibbs

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Speaker 2: One of the advantage you have for being in the

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Speaker 2: Ford motor companies, the general motors, you have the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to quote on oe business and build oe filters. But

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Speaker 2: we also have at WIGS Filters, we benchmark all of

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Speaker 2: our competitors. We look at all of our competitors air, oil, fuel, cabin,

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Speaker 2: do analysis and we find the best component for each

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Speaker 1: When we're doing a design, so you're basically taking the

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Speaker 2: We benchmark, We benchmark every single year.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always said that that engineer he designed something,

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Speaker 1: doing it just because they want to. That's another step

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Speaker 1: somewhere to do just that. So neat stuff before we go, Bill,

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Speaker 1: what's the most unusual thing, you know, the most unusual

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of stories you could lay on us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some pretty good stories we have. But we're

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Speaker 2: then every one of those has a WIGS filter on it.

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Speaker 2: So when into given Sunday, every single vehicle that starts

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Speaker 2: then part of that development with all those teams, obviously

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Speaker 1: that gives consumers confidence for their automobiles too, right, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: We've built that trust in the NASCAR teams, in the

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Speaker 2: And if they can depend on us, if it's good

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Speaker 1: Right, And I like that. You know, years ago, it

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Speaker 1: I remember years ago, sort of off topic, but you

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Speaker 1: you know, the everyday street cars. The manufacturers took that

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Speaker 1: you know, very much everything what you guys are learning

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Speaker 2: Bill.

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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure, sir. If the listeners are looking

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Speaker 1: for more information, what's the website.

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Speaker 2: Ww dot, whatsfilters.

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Speaker 1: Dot com, cool beans and I'm sure I always extend

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Speaker 1: this and to you. It'd be a pleasure, sir, I

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Speaker 1: can I can twist your arm and get you to

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Speaker 1: come back at some point in the future and talk

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'd be happy to do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bill, thank you very much. I'm Ronning, Andy

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Speaker 1: and the car Doctor. We are back right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away.