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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to The Hunting Collective, episode number eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I've been O'Brien today. I am joined by Col Kramer,

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Speaker 1: Kodiak Alaska bear guide, mountain hunter and venturing badass. Cole

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Speaker 1: is a great friend of mine, one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: people on the planet Earth, someone I've traveled the far

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Speaker 1: reaches of the world with, and I value him in

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Speaker 1: his opinion among almost all others. This conversation goes into taxidermy, trophies,

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Speaker 1: value systems, guiding bears, such a great bunch of great

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Speaker 1: bear stories that you won't hear anywhere else, a guy

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Speaker 1: like Cole, and our story of our adventure in Paul

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Speaker 1: last year. So hopefully you enjoy all those things I

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Speaker 1: certainly did. It's longer than our normal podcast. It could

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Speaker 1: have been way longer than it actually is. I think

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Speaker 1: it's one of our best. It'll stand up for a

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Speaker 1: long time. This is episode number eighteen of The Hunting

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Speaker 1: collect Hey, Cole, Hey Ben, nobody doing good. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me on the podcast. Man, Oh well, it's my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I always like to start these conversations out, like for

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Speaker 1: you to describe more. And it was certainly we're in

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Speaker 1: interesting places for you to describe where we are, what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. Well, folks, for those of you at home

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Speaker 1: right now thinking about us, just put yourself in a

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Speaker 1: nice relaxing moment and just think that you're back on

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Speaker 1: a bus that you went to school and but yet

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Speaker 1: it's a much nicer bus that has nice couches does

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Speaker 1: and we're looking outside in the rain and fog at

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Speaker 1: the total archery challenge up here at is it Terry Peak?

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Speaker 1: It is Terry Peak in South Dakota. Terry Peak, South Dakota. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is raining. It's been raining all day, which is

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Speaker 1: not It turns out that doesn't work well for an

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Speaker 1: outdoor archery shoot. No, when you can barely make out

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Speaker 1: the targets, it's difficult. But I tell you what, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of hardcore people here just hitting the course

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Speaker 1: throwing on their rain gear doing it. Was it. We're

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Speaker 1: just drinking hot cocoa and a bus. We are drinking

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Speaker 1: hot coco and I do have my shoes off cooler

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Speaker 1: black sin. Yeah. Well, now we're in the not just

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Speaker 1: any bus, the public lands bus. That's right, Sam soholds

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Speaker 1: awesome bus Yeah, he's been kind enough to let me

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Speaker 1: use this as a studio for today. It's very nice.

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Speaker 1: It's um, how would you describe the interior. It's rustic

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Speaker 1: it's really nice. He's done what did you say, It

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Speaker 1: took him about two months, two solid months of two months. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Colleck some royalties we like. You're like, hey man, I'm

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Speaker 1: We've shot many a foam target at various distances. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we're supporting the arrow companies after this trip. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot going on. Well, that happens, It definitely happens. Listen, UM,

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Speaker 1: guide wherever shit happens around the world. I don't like

425
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: being cold and wet, and I honestly can't remember the

426
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: last time that I was miserable out in the environment,

427
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And but with that said, you have

428
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: to understand how to where that. I mean, It's like

429
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: me my MacBook Pro. I mean, I buy it and

430
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh sweet, look at all this cool stuff

431
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: you can do. And well, I know how to turn

432
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: it on, write some emails, so with some photos and

433
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: and that's really all I really know how to do

434
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: to do with it. But you know, when a guy

435
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: really knows what they're doing with their gear or with

436
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: that piece of equipment, it goes so much further. And um,

437
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm a huge, huge, huge, you know, advocate of just

438
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: like I'm always watching my clients. I'm always paying attention

439
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: to them while they're hiking, and I'm watching them get

440
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: get hot. And a huge issue with people is they're

441
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: wearing their rain gear and they're wearing too much clothing

442
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: underneath or the wrong type of clothing underneath, and they sweat.

443
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: Then before you know what, they're saying, all this ranger sucks. Man.

444
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: I got wet, Well, it was raining and it's horrible

445
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: and I got really cold, and it's like, well did

446
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: you strip down? Did you? Were you wearing all your

447
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: layers where? You know, all these people keep their jackets

448
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: zipped all the way up. You know, it's a vicious

449
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: cycle when you get uh, sweaty hot, and then all

450
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you get cold, and but they

451
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: don't want to unzip and let breathe. You know, well, yeah, vents.

452
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: I mean all these top top flight rain gear all

453
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: has vents in it. And that's right, that's right, and

454
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: but it's it is. It is something where I have

455
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: to almost argue with people sometimes like hey, you need

456
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: to take that off. No, I'm good, Nope, you need

457
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: to take it off, trust me. And it's like I

458
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: have to. I almost had to treat some of my

459
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: hunters like children sometimes because they're not used to. When

460
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: I came up to Kodiak, I think I had it

461
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: all though. I was square on, like I had the

462
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: right you know, sick of puffy, all the down stuff

463
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: I needed to have, had the right synthetics, right rain gear,

464
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: but I don't have the right gloves. Remember we were

465
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: skinning that deer and I'm like, my gloves. I had

466
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: three pairs of gloves in my pack and they were

467
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: all soaked and they were all screwed. Rightever, They're like,

468
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: look at these gloves, My hands are hot. Did you

469
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: want to pair of these? I got two on. Oh

470
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: my god, I have three pairs of gloves and I

471
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: ended up wearing my rubber gloves that I brought for

472
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: taking rafts in and out of ever whatever on the

473
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: way out because my hands are so cold. Right, So

474
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: it's those little things, you know, I think I was

475
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: probably there, But this is that you forget the right

476
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: gloves or you don't think about what gloves you might

477
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: have to have in those situations. Yeah, a lot, a

478
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't used to that, and and I do.

479
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I remember talking to John Barklow when he was UM

480
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: came in and chatted with us about gear and I

481
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: and we got two gloves and he said, man, gloves

482
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: are the weakest point and in all gear. And I

483
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: remember I remember saying something of that nature, saying, everyone

484
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: is different. Everyone's circulation is different, you know, with their hands.

485
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Like me, I were mittens a lot because on the

486
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: sides of my fingers if I have UM tighter fitting

487
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: fingered gloves on, UM, I my circulation gets cut off

488
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: and my hands get really cold. And the biggest misconception,

489
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I think, like when people are wearing mittens, even they'll

490
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: wear a little liner glove on underneath it in their

491
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: hands are like, oh man, I its are still cold.

492
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: You know. It's like we'll take those off, you know,

493
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: like I I do better with it, just my you know,

494
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: being able to touch my own skin underneath the mitten

495
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: and instead of having um, all these extra tight gloves on.

496
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: The worst thing you can do is have tight gloves on.

497
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: I feel and um, you know, I'll carry some handwarmers occasionally,

498
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: and it's funny they'll sit in my bag forever, and

499
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: then finally one day, like while I'm glassing for bears,

500
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I'll say, okay, maybe I'll break out those handworms. And

501
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: it's always like, gosh, why didn't I freaking do that

502
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: ten days ago? These are nice, but but gloves are

503
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: a tough one, you know, they really really are. Everyone's

504
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: circulation is different, but bottom line is you need to

505
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: have like I wear a lot of times. I'll have

506
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: a thin pair of leather gloves just for hiking in

507
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, I trip and stumble every every once I'm

508
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: breaking branches out of the trail, So I like to

509
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: have a light, um, a light set of leather gloves on, UM,

510
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: so no thorns or anything can get through UM. And

511
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, tearing up the material of like

512
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: a you know, some soft shell glove want breaking branches

513
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: or using my machette or whatever. But um, you know,

514
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you need to have you need to think, Okay, what situations,

515
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe it's three pairs of gloves. You

516
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: have a light a light pair, you know, maybe an

517
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: insulating pair, and then a waterproof pair. And I'm really

518
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: big advocate of like on these on these UM rain

519
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: gloves and the waterproof gloves. They need to be a

520
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: glove that you can take a liner out to dry.

521
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: That's the only way you'll ever be able to dry

522
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: them out in a in a spike camp scenario, pull

523
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: the liner out. And a lot of times if they're wet,

524
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll put them in my little side pockets of my pants,

525
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I'll sleep with them in my in

526
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: my side pockets of my pants. That's the only way

527
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: you can dry them out. If you don't have a

528
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: heating element in your tent of any sort. See, just

529
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: wear your clothes, you know. And that was the other thing,

530
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, learning that from John years ago and um

531
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: and just some of the guides I knew, you know,

532
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: if you got wet in your gear, because no matter

533
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: what you have, you're gonna sweat or whatever may happen. Right,

534
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how you could hit a hit a branch

535
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: and it and it rips something on your pants or

536
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: something like that, a rock or something, and and you're

537
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna get wet occasionally or fall in the river. That's

538
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I think about when I have

539
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: an extra set, an extra set of close at camp.

540
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't just change into those clothes when I get stinky,

541
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: I change into those clothes. That's a backup pair for

542
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: if I fall in the river and get wet or

543
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: or something like that. I would fall in a creek

544
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, or my hunter get is hypothermic

545
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: or whatever happened and maybe he falls on river. So

546
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: it's a backup for that. But if you need to

547
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: dry out, the only way you're gonna do that in

548
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: a spike camp scenario is climb in your sleeping bag

549
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: and dry out, you know, and you gotta wear it

550
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: and it will seem a little bit uncomfortable at first,

551
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: but it heats up. And that's that's mainly. With a

552
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: synthetic bag, you can do that. I you know, can

553
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: you get away with with with that dry down? Yeah,

554
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: but it doesn't it won't handle the same way as

555
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: a sythetic moisture. Well that the down, the down goes

556
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: goes limp and over time, I don't care what what

557
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: you have when it talks about this fantastic, amazing dry

558
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: down stuff. I personally it wears out over time when

559
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: you're when you are taking it out and and compressing,

560
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: and you're taking it out, compressing out, compressing, you do

561
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: that a billion times. Well it's you end up kind

562
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: of wearing it out. But regardless um regards, it's just

563
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff's fascinating me. And I know we're in

564
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: a time where it's very fascinating for a lot of people,

565
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, to learn about all this stuff. We're very

566
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: very fortunate we are. We're fortunate to be in a

567
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: bus or where both of us are. It's raining and poor.

568
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's miserable outside. Dude, it's just

569
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: a mud puddle. Nobody is outside. This has been the

570
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: hangout bus. It's funny. There'll be fiber you know, eight

571
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: people hanging out in the bus and here we are

572
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: podcasting and everyone has to stand outside while we're in there.

573
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: All yeah, we're dicks. They're like, you have hot coke code.

574
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: It's so warm with the bus calling. I've both taken

575
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: naps in the bus today as well, it's very nice.

576
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: Thank you saying for the bus. Very nice. I would say, like,

577
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I think you and I have a couple of pretty

578
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: good stories to tell. I feel, ah, they might if

579
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: we try to combine them both into one podcast, it might.

580
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: This might end up be in three hours. I don't

581
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: call it. What was it about hunting? We were hunting? Yeah,

582
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't really recall our adventures. Well, I'll walk you

583
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: through them. Oh, I remember, Oh, I remember I was there.

584
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, Um, I don't know, man.

585
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I remember being a different person, probably before I started

586
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: working at YETI maybe before I started working at Peterson Sunning,

587
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: and just being a regular hunter and thinking thinking about adventures,

588
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: adventure type hunting or mountain hunting or things of that nature,

589
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: has this law far off reality, And then also thinking

590
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: at the time the gear needed to do that was silly.

591
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: You know, nobody could ever afford it. Um, nobody would

592
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: ever aspire to spend that much on the hunt and

593
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: the gear, and what would you really get? Why wouldn't

594
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: you just you know, stay home and shoot a white tail.

595
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: I remember that being in my mind for a long time,

596
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know that I ever had the aspiration.

597
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I never read um hunting magazines or watched TV with

598
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: some aspiration to go to the Yukon with Jim Shock,

599
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: can shoot a moose or anything like that. I just

600
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: always felt pretty happy at home and pretty normal, not

601
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: not want to do those things. But as I've been

602
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: lucky enough to do some of that stuff, it's changed

603
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: me in a way that I don't know that i'll

604
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: ever I'll ever be able to put my finger on

605
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: or ever be able to explain. And I think you know,

606
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: in my experience with you is like the consistent exposure

607
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: to those strug is man, it makes you appreciate every

608
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: little opportunity to have in life, whether it's go out

609
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: to the bar with your buddies or go to a

610
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: trade show, or take a shower, take a shower, clean socks. Yeah,

611
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I will remember that shower we took in Catman do

612
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: for the rest of my not together shower And I

613
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: mean it was Conserva water. You know, we're environmentalists, but yeah,

614
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: those types of things when you when you come off

615
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: with those adventures, and I don't I've tried to probably

616
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: over time, explain what it feels like in the perspective

617
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: it gives you and like, what, um, what the meaning is?

618
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: And and I must. I was listening to Rogan's podcast

619
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: with Dennis McKenna this morning. I was getting ready and

620
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: they were talking about how psychedelics kind of give you

621
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: this weird view of reality because you're in psychedelics, you

622
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: start to see things in different lights. So Joe was

623
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: talking about driving down a paved road and seeing thinking

624
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: about this road normally, like it's a road, and I

625
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: don't have to think about that anymore. It's a road,

626
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: it's a paved road. I drive down it every day.

627
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut my mind off and I don't have

628
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: to think about what I'm actually doing because I'm driving

629
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: on the road. Everybody does it, there's no need to

630
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: examine it. But then when you know he expands his

631
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: minds via psychedelics, he's thinking, damn, what am I doing this?

632
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: We've chosen to pave over this area and roll over

633
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: it and one ton machine like we're weird. Humans are weird.

634
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: And I feel probably in a less aggressive way than

635
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: the taking mushrooms, but coming back from these adventure hunts, man,

636
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: I feel almost like that, like you're you're exposed to

637
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: the harshness of the world, and then all the niceties

638
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: of the world seem odd like, it seems like this,

639
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: this thing that is normal to us is not normal

640
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: to the world. Paved roads are not what nature and

641
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: the natural world provided. We've done that the smooth over

642
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: the rough points in our existence, and I remember, and

643
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I remember just thinking about that. Even in this morning,

644
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I was getting a share of thinking about hunting. Being

645
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: exposed to true adventure hunting like you've done. Yeah, I

646
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: think it changes you in ways that you're not really

647
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: you never really know until maybe you're done with it retired. Yeah,

648
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely for me, That's what I believe. Obviously,

649
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: when people UM call me and they want to book

650
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: a hunt, you know, UM, they're they're they're you know,

651
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: part of their goal and maybe the main part of

652
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: their goal was to come on a brown bear hunt

653
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: and get their bear um or their dear or you know,

654
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: you want to go get your elk or wherever it.

655
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's fine, But with me, UM, it has morphed

656
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: into and I think this happened after spending so much

657
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: time in the field and experiencing like what you mentioned,

658
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: how you feel afterwards that I absolutely truly enjoy giving

659
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: that feeling to people. Not to be um confused with

660
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: a guide that loves breaking people and loves putting them

661
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: to through misery. That is not absolutely not what I

662
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: have ever enjoyed doing. Where you hear many guides who

663
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: you hear about these stories, these young guides or whatever

664
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: that just want to break their hunters. No, um, my,

665
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: my absolute joy is doing exactly what you you said,

666
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: is taking people, exposing them to um the elements and

667
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: showing them that you can survive. We are okay, um,

668
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: We're able to get through this and to do it

669
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: in a fairly you know, easy manner once you do

670
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: actually know how to do it. It's just I feel

671
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: like that expands your mind. Even though the example you

672
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: gave of being in a sleeping bag and being uncomfortable,

673
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, like your your it range your wet. First

674
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: thing you want to do a strip off your clothes

675
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and getting sleem be comfortable. But if the quickest way

676
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: to be warm the next day is to stay wet

677
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: and getting your sleeping bag, then that's what you have

678
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: to do. That's an expansion of what your your willingness

679
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: to be miserable and you're It's an expansion of your

680
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: mindset right as a human. You have to think when

681
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: you're going to be out there. You always have to

682
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: think ahead. I don't care what. I don't care what's

683
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: It starts on the stage before you get on the airplane,

684
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: when you hand them your backpack. Where is your rain gear?

685
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: Is it in the bottom or is it on top?

686
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you have it on, maybe it don't, but always

687
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: have it close by. It starts at the very very

688
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: beginning um to every single point of your day of

689
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: anything you do out there, you have to think ahead.

690
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Even if it's miserable, you have to go outside and

691
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: do it. Do I really want to drop down a

692
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: thousand feet to get water right now? No? But if

693
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I wake up at five am and want, you know,

694
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: and want to stay up on the ridge line, you

695
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: go look at these rams. I don't want to. I

696
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: mean I want to get up and have coffee and

697
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: have my oatmeal. I better go down and get the

698
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: water right now, otherwise it's gonna be miserable in the

699
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: morning or whatever. You know, just every aspect you know,

700
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: tying your tent down appropriately. If you don't do it now,

701
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I call it the Chinese fire drill, no offense. But uh,

702
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night you wake up your

703
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: tents flapping. It's something's broke. You gotta fix it. I mean,

704
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: you have every single aspect. I micromanage everything out there

705
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: to a t because I know what can happen over time,

706
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and you have to think about it. Um, well, how

707
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: much time does that take to get normal? Because I

708
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: found like and hunting with you or you know, doing

709
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: all these types of hunts. As you get out there,

710
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: I feel like the normal world, the real world that

711
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: I live in, the day to day life dolls me up.

712
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: Like about was a knife, I'd be rusty and doll

713
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: after about a month. And then I get out there

714
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: and it usually takes me a day or two to sharpen.

715
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: And then by the time I'm done, I'm sharp as fuck.

716
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: And then by and I go back and I feel

717
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: depressed to be back and be getting rusty again. And

718
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: I've had this. My wife talks about all the times,

719
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: serious problem with getting back and being super depressed. Not right.

720
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I get through it, sure, but you feel like you're

721
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: starting to get rusty again, and you can see it

722
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: in your own mind. You're like, man, I'm starting to

723
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: get frustrated by traffic, and I'm starting to get frustrated

724
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: by my email not working, when I'm starting to get

725
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: frustrated by my phone the text not going through, or

726
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: something like are you frustrated with people? Yeah, frustrating and

727
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: get people frustrated with people very easily because they don't

728
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: they don't respect and they don't know what they have,

729
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: where as us that do spend time out and I

730
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: go back. You know, it's really really changed me in

731
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: a anner to appreciate people like I probably you know,

732
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: I've always loved my parents, but I guarantee you after um,

733
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: being in the woods and being out with no contact

734
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: or you know, because back in the day I didn't

735
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: have a satellite phone. I mean i'd be with someone

736
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: sometimes add a satellite phone, or maybe at radio or whatever.

737
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: But um, I always I felt after a few circumstances

738
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: that have happened with me, whether it be you know,

739
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: almost falling off a mountain or bear charge of me

740
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: and about grabbing me, um to just any little thing,

741
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, I go back and just appreciate my family,

742
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: appreciate my friends. I remember, like the first few times

743
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I went home after moving to Alaska, and just seeing

744
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, all these pitily little things that

745
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: people were whining and griping about, um uh, you know

746
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: about oh well we don't like this guy anymore, we

747
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: don't like this person more, or oh gosh, can you

748
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: believe this? And I was just like, wow, I can't

749
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: believe this, Like I I don't understand why these people

750
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: are being like that, like because I just I remember

751
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: seeing people that maybe I didn't really like him at

752
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: one point in time, but I'd seem like, hey, how

753
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: are you doing, how are you man? What's up? How

754
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: are you? You know? And I got to a point

755
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: where I could honestly say there was no one that

756
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: I had an issue with, period or or I just

757
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: appreciated things. And I think that that's what upsets me

758
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: is when I see people squabbling over these frivolous things

759
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: that mean nothing, and and to me, we are out

760
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: there and we I mean, when we got back from

761
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: our Codiac trip, which we can dive into whenever, but

762
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: it's just we will after that trip. I mean obviously

763
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: there that was you know for you guys, well for everyone.

764
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's some some big mental screws in that thing.

765
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: And so when you when you come out of a

766
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: trip like that, it's uh, it makes you appreciate it.

767
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: So I like, as you're talking, I'm thinking about this

768
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: could be a terrible analogy, but thinking about as you

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a knife and the regular life

770
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: dolls you up, that makes it harder to cut through life. Right,

771
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: So the dollars you become, the softer you become in

772
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: regular life, the harder it is to get through situations

773
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: because you don't have the ability to see the entire picture.

774
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: So smaller things become harder to cut through because you're

775
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: just soft and your doll and you you don't you're

776
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: not sharp enough to tackle challenges. But then you go

777
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: out and do these you know, whether it's ten days

778
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: or five days, what, it doesn't matter the amount of time.

779
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: With these things that challenge you to break through mental

780
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: barriers and to break through physical berries into into you know,

781
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: push yourself to two limits. Your your mind is expanded

782
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: and you're sharper and you can cut through the bullshit

783
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: of life so much faster because you don't have to

784
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: because you have the ability to be like, that's a

785
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: fucking matter. At least I don't have to walk down

786
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a thousand feet to get waters, like I'm in traffic.

787
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: But I got air conditioning, I got heated seats, and

788
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I got sure sparkling water in a damn eddie cup.

789
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll be all right. Yeah, at least I don't have

790
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: to wake up and and hike down to the creek

791
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and right and try to avoid bears while I get

792
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: my water. Yeah you uh, yeah, you're sitting at your

793
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: feet or feeling a little sword like, well, at least

794
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: they're not wet. At least I'm not hiking twenty miles

795
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: up a river, you know, with sopping wet, blistered feet.

796
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, like you say, every aspect is

797
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: um is made a little bit easier in life, I think,

798
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: and you appreciate more, um, going on adventures and so

799
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: like for me, I really you know, Um, yes, I

800
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: do happen to get blessed with harvesting some large animals

801
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: in the guide in our guide service. Um, we live

802
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: and work in an amazing place. Um yeah that's great.

803
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: But I we take some really big brown bears and

804
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: do we get tin foot bears? Yeah? We do, um,

805
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, but it it really I'm at a place

806
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: out with with my hunting that my goals are to

807
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: harvest old mature animals. Okay, it doesn't always have but

808
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: that's what we strive for. I do. I honestly don't

809
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: care about the I hate the numbers game, absolutely hate it.

810
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: And I realized that's the way that we major animals

811
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And just so maybe when you're telling a story,

812
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: how big was that whitetail, and you can tell him

813
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: a score of it? Okay, now I got how big

814
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: it was. I understand that, you know, And so yes,

815
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: we do tell people, but I absolutely love it. When

816
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: I I had a guy I talked to you the

817
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: day was actually from pratt Um, but he called me.

818
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: We haven't we haven't talked him forever. He's he's must

819
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: be eight years older. Mean, I just barely knew hi

820
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. But he says, cool, you know,

821
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: I'd really like to come up and do a sheep hunter,

822
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: a bear hunt. I'm at that place now financially I

823
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: think I can do it, Um, But I'm just you know, man,

824
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: I've been out to call out with my buddies and

825
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: I really really enjoy the adventure of that. And he goes,

826
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: that's what I'm kind of looking for. He goes, I don't.

827
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm not really into the biggest um trophy and animal size,

828
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know really what that size is

829
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: for these animals. But I'm really kind of looking for

830
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: an adventure. And that's what I thankfully, that's what a

831
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: lot of my hunters are here for, is an adventure.

832
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: And they are there and they appreciate the animals there

833
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: there to collect their meat as well. Um, And so

834
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: it's it's that is what I love. I love the adventures.

835
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: And people can say, well, maybe she's just not taking

836
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: big animals, and so that's why that's why he's saying.

837
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, yeah, we take that. I just

838
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: but I don't. I just want if I you know,

839
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: it's why I don't typically put the size of the

840
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: animals on my Instagram or whatever. I mean, I just hey,

841
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: it's a great old mature bear. Okay. I don't need

842
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: to a dick measuring contest with some guy whatever. I'm

843
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: there to, um, you know, you know, show the respect

844
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: of the animal to it's you know, try to have

845
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: a nice photo whatever it may be. But that's what

846
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: I have tried to expose people to these types of

847
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: adventures to help grow them. You know, is it cool

848
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: to hunt with someone that really knows their stuff in

849
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: the field. Oh, it's awesome. I love it when it's

850
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: a team effort, you know. That's what I try to

851
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: do things as a team effort, not just um, be

852
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: the dictator on the hunt and have to tell everyone

853
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: what to do all the time. Um, it's a teamwork effort.

854
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: But I also really love I get. I have some

855
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: guys that are very new to hunting and they've hunted

856
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, but very new to mountain hunting. And

857
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: it's really cool that they've absolutely there to soak it

858
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: up like a sponge. They they ask a billion questions,

859
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: but they ask it in the right way, you know.

860
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: They ask it in a way that you know they're

861
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: just wanting to learn, and they soak it up. There's

862
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: no ego, you know, And that's what I really that's

863
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: what I really I love doing now. Um. Well, not

864
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: that we would be here to issue some referendum on

865
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: the guiding community or outfit in community, but you know,

866
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is selling and the selling experience

867
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: instead of an animal, you know, because you really can't

868
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: sell the animals there's no you can't. If you if

869
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: you can begin to predict, then it's no longer hunting.

870
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: And so you can only sell the experience and say, like,

871
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: here's an examples of things that we've done, animals that

872
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: we've taken. Here's the examples. Right, this is what it is.

873
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: It's a tapestry, big, small, blonde, brown, whatever. Um, But

874
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: the experience is the same every time. You know, it's

875
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: a struggle. You're gonna be challenged to be patient, and

876
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be challenged to be tough. You're gonna be

877
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: challenged to be um, you know, to embrace things that

878
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: you don't don't understand and tackle challenges you couldn't imagine.

879
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: But at the end, that is going to be always

880
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: the same, and what will change is the result. Something

881
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: will change along the way. Whether you kill a world

882
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: record x y z or you kill representative x y z. Uh, Well,

883
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: do you make a great shot or a bad shot?

884
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Like that's all those are part of the the end

885
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: result of the experience that you'll have doing it. I

886
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: don't you know, Like I said, I don't. Guiding is

887
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: what it is. There's a lot of money in it, um,

888
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: But I think that that whole community could do well

889
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: to try to shift to you know, your mindset rather

890
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: than um flip you know, trade shows with giant heads

891
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: and trying to lwer people in based on that the

892
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: idea that you could kill something big and those situations. Well,

893
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and with us, like with my brown bears, okay, um,

894
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: with my personal mindset, and in most obviously all guides

895
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: and hunters want to kill the biggest bear or the

896
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: biggest as big as that. That's tip, that's tip, that's normal. Um.

897
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: But with my mindset, I only we only like to

898
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: kill old mature boars. Okay, those are the ones that

899
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: are the issue, the problem. Bears that do know exact

900
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: actually how to go through their life, whether and try

901
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: to approach a sal that won't mate with him because

902
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: she's got cubs, so no problem. He knows how to

903
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: kill them because he knows that will set her back

904
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: in the heat and so, and if she doesn't want

905
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: to do that and she puts up a fight, then

906
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: he just kills her and eats her too. Um. So

907
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: with that said, I don't even I don't know. I've

908
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: never heard a number from fishing game of the cub mortality.

909
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: But we know it's high. And it's not just from

910
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: the boars killing them. They die naturally, but I but

911
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I guarantee they they take out several thousand cups. Feel like,

912
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you know the other things you're thinking about from mortality

913
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: rates to be predation gather. There's not a whole lot

914
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: of predation on bear cubs. It's just with bears. I mean,

915
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what other bears other bears, um, yeah,

916
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: and and like but we're yeah, and where I was

917
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: going with that is as is a biologically like what

918
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: what I we're trying to do is to harvest those

919
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: old boars that are the problem ones, that that kill

920
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: the other bears and therefore lower their population. Fishing game

921
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: allows us to harvest you know, um whatever. We have

922
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: a certain amount of tags or whatnot that they give

923
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: for each area. By not they don't say, hey, okay,

924
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: we'll let you guys kill some bears for rugs here, okay,

925
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: and for trophy amounts. Okay, that's not it's it's too.

926
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: It's for the population control, okay, for a conservation type

927
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of effort too, to have the right population of bears

928
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: or to increase And so therefore with us targeting those

929
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: old mature boars. We're actually increasing the amount of bears

930
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: in our areas. It is unbelievable the amount of bears

931
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: that used to be in our areas versus what are

932
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: there now of where an area specifically that I've hunted

933
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: for many, many many years thirteen years me, I don't

934
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: recall but several years. And that I mean that area

935
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: we would never see susand cups, and now I mean

936
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: we see him every day, and I mean there there's

937
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: been times where I've seen five sets of thousand cubs

938
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: and they've all got two to three um salusand cups.

939
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: So me deeply on the side, and you know, part

940
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: of me, I could have a hunter there that's wanting

941
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: to do he has his own agenda whatever. But to me,

942
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: in my mind set, it's like me looking over my

943
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: crop as a farmer, and I'm extremely pleased, no like

944
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: seeing what what we have done. Okay, I don't feel

945
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: like we're hunting too many bears or whatever. And truth

946
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: be told, we're the first ones to step up as

947
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: a guide because we get to see we're the first

948
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: ones that step up and say maybe something to the biologist. Hey,

949
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, here's I'm thinking I'm seeing something going on here.

950
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I thinks I see it both ways, because obviously is

951
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: a wonderful topic for people to hate on, and we've

952
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: done so much to anth for more on there said

953
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: the word anthrow promorphize. That's a big word. I don't

954
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: know what that means. I just heard someone. I heard

955
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: someone else say it on the podcast. Um with you

956
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: know my kid, my kids got a bear stuffed animal.

957
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: He was just in Montana. He got to hug on

958
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: a big bear stuff animal. He has one. He has

959
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: bear pajamas, he has a bear. Books about bears riding bikes,

960
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: and but there doesn't have any books about bears eating cubs.

961
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: We yeah, we don't that too often. But then so

962
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, you put that emotional element into it once

963
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: you've already you know, given these this animal a certain

964
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: personality or certain away for for our minds to shape

965
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: them as as the in their being. And then you

966
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: got a guy like yourself is talking about him at

967
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: like a crop. Right. Um, this is very pragmatic way

968
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: to look at It's very common sense way to look

969
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: at it. I care about these animals, care about all animals,

970
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: and if I can kill some harvest them, take the meat,

971
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: give somebody an experience, and also is built in our

972
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: model of conservation. Two. Hunting as a tool, right, and

973
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: it brings value to every animal and brings money to

974
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: conservation efforts. And it's a tool for wildlife biologists to say, Cole,

975
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: you and everybody like you kill this many and here's

976
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: the tags, and then it's up to you to set

977
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: the market for those tags and say how much they're worth,

978
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: how much the hunters are worth, the experience is worth,

979
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: and the animal at the end of the day is worth.

980
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I'd love to hear from

981
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: you on this, because I'm sure you run into a

982
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: lot of people that question what you do for a living.

983
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: But to me, that's pretty great way to have a

984
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: human interaction with bears, rather than let it go unchecked

985
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: and let our interaction with them just kind of be

986
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, last it's less substantial, it's less true. Yeah.

987
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: And you know if you when you when you when

988
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: you book a hunt with me, you are coming on

989
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: an amazing bear viewing trip. I mean we get to

990
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: see and this goes with any outfitter. I'm just saying

991
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: in general, when you book a brown bear hunt or whatnot.

992
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: You were on the most awesome bear viewing trip that

993
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: you could ever get it to go do. So you

994
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: get to watch all these animals and if you want,

995
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: if you want to offend me on a hunt, act

996
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: like you don't care about the bears and you you

997
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: don't care and you don't want to look at the bears.

998
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: Because when I'm putting in the spotting scope on a

999
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: soal and cup, look at the sow and cubs, and

1000
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: I've had some guys not care and not want to

1001
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: look at him and not you know, hey, no, just

1002
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: let me know when you see the big one. Okay,

1003
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: that offends me. I mean, I you want to upset me,

1004
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: That's what upsets me. Sure, I'm not gonna yell at someone,

1005
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: but it's just inside like, wow, what a prick? You know.

1006
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: I I love explaining things of people. It's my passion. Um.

1007
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Bears are such an amazing animal. Absolutely love watching them.

1008
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: They do the most interesting things, funny things, um and

1009
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: just harsh things. I mean, it's mind blowing to me

1010
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: about how they can just run over and tackle a

1011
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: cub and just rip it apart. Oh yeah, how much

1012
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: how often do you see that I have only seen.

1013
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: I have probably three or four times. There was one

1014
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: time that totally amazed me. Um that we had a boar.

1015
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: We spooked a boar. We were trying to make a

1016
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: stock on him. We spooked him and he ran across

1017
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: the valley or not. Randy waddled and he went over

1018
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: and there was a sound a cub up there, and

1019
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: he went and he started going up to him, and

1020
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: it was a first year cub and he made his

1021
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: way up towards him, and the sound it was really

1022
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: steep face and she kept going or she abandoned her

1023
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: cub because she knew that, like, okay, I cannot withstand

1024
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: this big boar. He's gonna tear me up. She abandoned

1025
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: the cub, and the boar went over sniffed it, and

1026
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: I thought I was so upset. I mean, I was

1027
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: just freaking out in my mind, like, oh, I cannot

1028
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: believe that we screwed up this stock. He's gonna go

1029
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: over there, and he's now we just got this cub eaten.

1030
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: This sucks. And he went over and sniffed it, sat

1031
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: down and just like took a nap right next to it,

1032
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: and the cub just kind of scrambled away and got

1033
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: away from But that's like the only time that I've

1034
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: ever seen now whether or not that was his cub,

1035
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, and he sniffed it knew it was. But um,

1036
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: that is the one time I've seen that. But I

1037
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: have seen three or four times um, cubs getting ripped

1038
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: apart or um or or seen like I saw like

1039
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: where there was a den and there was a boar

1040
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: that we actually went over on a stock because I

1041
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: could tell he was a boar, that I noticed another

1042
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: bear above it in the rocks, and then I noticed,

1043
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: finally I put it to to together it was blood

1044
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: in the snow and he had gotten in there and

1045
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: was eating the cubs out of a din. And the

1046
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: sow was above looking um, looking at him. Um, And

1047
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: so yeah it's it's UM. I'm pretty sure if anyone

1048
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're you know, a non hunter

1049
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, it maybe UM. I'm pretty sure if I

1050
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: was standing there with a gun and a non hunter

1051
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: who totally disagreed with bear hunting and loved animals, I

1052
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: saw this happening. I guarantee. After listening to these cubs

1053
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: being torn apart, screaming and the mom trying to get

1054
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: to the board of shoving her away, biting at her.

1055
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you would say take your gun and

1056
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: shoot him. He's bad, shoot him, make him stop, as

1057
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: you would would in humans. I mean, you would say,

1058
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: make that person stop. Um. It's unbelievable. I'm pretty sure

1059
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: there's not a human that just said, well, I guess

1060
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: that's nature, not even as are describing it. Yeah, I

1061
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: mean it's We've we've killed a number of boars that

1062
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: if you, um, look on my instagram. Um, this spring,

1063
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: we had a a young lady that came hunting with us.

1064
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: Heard her her husband, Um, and we saw a set

1065
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: of salent cubs going across this hillside and I had

1066
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I washed them, and they were

1067
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: going the other way, and they were quite a ways off,

1068
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, I looked

1069
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: back and UM, my other guide that was with us,

1070
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: he scrambling running over to look at the spotting scope

1071
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: where they were because they were going around a corner.

1072
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,959
Speaker 1: So we had to run out another hundred yards around

1073
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: the valley to look back up this other side valley.

1074
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, maybe he didn't see those salad

1075
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: cubs and he just saw the big sal and so

1076
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: he he it's the wrong bear or whatever. Well, those

1077
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: Salent cubs went through a ditch and there was a

1078
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: board lane in that ditch betted and the board jumped

1079
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: up and the sound cubs started running and he was

1080
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: going after him. He was his big fat bear and

1081
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: so he couldn't go very fast, but he was on

1082
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: or trail and that's what my guide saw. And so

1083
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: he hollers at me, and so we're looking at him

1084
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, man, he's man, he's a

1085
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: long ways off, you know. And I told I told

1086
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: the um, the our lady that we had with us, Lisa.

1087
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I said, man, it's a long ways, but I'd really

1088
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: like to give it a go if you think, you know,

1089
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: if you think you're up for it. And I said, man,

1090
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna go kill those cubs. And she's like, yep, yep.

1091
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: And here you got a mom right that's hunting and

1092
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: she's got, you know, a few kids, and she's like, yeah,

1093
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: we can't let him do that. And you know, you know,

1094
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: she got around great, but you want to talk about

1095
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: light of fire on her someone that that was hiking

1096
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: with the purpose to get there before dark. And um,

1097
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: we hustled over there and he had him backed up

1098
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: to a cliff. And you can see this on my Instagram.

1099
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: I have some video of it, um and photos of it.

1100
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: Uh and so uh, he had him backed up there

1101
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: and we made our stock. We got we were making

1102
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: our way to go to try to get above him,

1103
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: and she wanted to try to get him with her bow,

1104
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: but we knew that this was more important just to

1105
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: get this or killed. And so we as we got closer, UM,

1106
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: I said, man, this is gonna be extremely risky for us.

1107
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: The only shot we had would have put us about

1108
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: ten yards from the salad cubs. And if that is

1109
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: the apps, if you want to think about the worst

1110
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: possible scenario in life, you can get next to a

1111
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: piste off sal who's getting threatened, getting threatened, and here

1112
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: you are another threat to the side. They they're just

1113
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: a tornado. And so UM we the that they in

1114
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: and actually the trail we were going to go on

1115
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: to get closer to him. Um, they end up bailing

1116
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: over the board kept pushing them and they bailed over

1117
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: towards us and and I said, I'm I'm I'm sorry.

1118
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: There's no bow shot, like they're they're coming right at us,

1119
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: like you know, the salad cubs would have to go

1120
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: over us basically for for our egos to get a

1121
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: bow shot, you know what I mean. And so she glad,

1122
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, she took up rifle and as soon as

1123
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: he came over, I mean, she smoked him. You know.

1124
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: In the sound cubs were about fifteen yards to our right,

1125
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: and I was hollering and yelling at him, trying to

1126
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: get him, you know, let him know like, hey, I'm

1127
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: a human, I'm here, go the other way. And so

1128
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: they went the other way and they were fine, you know,

1129
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: but um that it just it just gave you this

1130
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: different sense, and it made you feel like you did

1131
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: something like okay, wow, you can get something you well right.

1132
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: And and so you get to watch that that mother

1133
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: and her and her kids go off and they're fine.

1134
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: But when you think, okay, how many times does that happen?

1135
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: Because he won't give up. He's not fast, but he'll

1136
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: never give up, and he just keeps following him throughout

1137
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: the night. He'll catch him and he'll catch him. There

1138
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: will happen. We'll just think about, you know, you go

1139
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: back into how we treat bears, Just think about how

1140
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: that bears mind works and how our mind works. Our

1141
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: mind works like, oh my gosh, why would you do that?

1142
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: Why would you kill an innocent thing? But we have

1143
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: the ability that could passion to have that go through

1144
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: our minds. That bear that's a killing robot, Like he's

1145
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: not thinking, oh, these poor little beings. He's thinking, I

1146
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: gotta eat and I gotta fuck. Yep, that's what he's thinking. Yep.

1147
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: And and and for us to take an animal with

1148
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: a mindset like that and to turn it into cartoons,

1149
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: and to turn it into pajamas, and to turn into

1150
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: stuffed animals, and to turn it into winning the Pooh,

1151
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: I can't. I've always thought, and it's always it's almost

1152
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: like a thing that what a hunter would think, or

1153
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: some right wing person might think to think, Um, how

1154
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: screwed up that is. But if you are listening to

1155
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,479
Speaker 1: this and you try to break down your mind, how

1156
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: fucked up it is to take an animal with the

1157
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: mindset that you just described, that is an evil monster

1158
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: that you just described, a heartless, fucking killing machine. And

1159
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: we take this evil, heartless monster and we attach our

1160
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: human emotion to it, and then we make cartoons like

1161
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: how fucked up is that? How funked up? And and yeah,

1162
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: and you know, you know it's like in the same

1163
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: same same breath. Then you watch this great animal out there,

1164
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: it's about appreciating this and and and you know they're

1165
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: the most amazing creatures to watch. But like you say,

1166
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: as as humans, we like to we're applying our logic

1167
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: to the situation. It's like, it's still a beautiful animal.

1168
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: It just is an animal. It is nothing more than

1169
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: an animal with animal instincts. And I'm sorry to say

1170
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: this and this and this could happen to meat any

1171
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: at any time. Um, But I think Timothy Treadwell found

1172
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah. And these were his his his people people.

1173
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: You know, these were his compassion. He loved those bears.

1174
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: But they don't care. They do not care. Yeah. No,

1175
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: I think that's goes all the way back to like

1176
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: how you how your minded. Just once you see something

1177
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: like that, you see something that can be so beautiful

1178
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: at one moment, but then has no filter to resist

1179
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: the urge to do horrible, to do what it's horrible

1180
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: things for it to survive before at the flourish or

1181
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: for it, you know, in that case, bring us sound

1182
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: the heat and propagate it. It actually is mind blowing

1183
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: and scares me to death sometimes thinking about bear viewing

1184
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: trips with some of these people that are not hunters,

1185
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: and and they've seen a lot of bears, and I

1186
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: get it that they watch them all the time, but

1187
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: they take people so close to them to get photos.

1188
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: They're actually harassing the animals way more than US hunters

1189
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: or hunters. US hunters are stealthy. We do not want

1190
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: these bears knowing that we are here. We're glassing them

1191
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: from afar, and we are choosing a specific target to

1192
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: take out. Okay, the one specific. We don't need to

1193
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: go over and get pictures. I gotta tell my guys,

1194
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry. I don't want to. You know, there's

1195
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: no reason to get close to this for a picture. Okay,

1196
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: excuse me. Um. Sometimes we call bears in, you know,

1197
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: but I only call a bear that we are going

1198
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: to shoot because it is extremely dangerous. They come up

1199
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: and they is something triggers in them. It could just

1200
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: be picking dandelions, eating them or whatever they're doing, you know,

1201
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: having a great day, rolling around like a little puppy,

1202
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you trigger that predator since

1203
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: and they are coming and they are they are running

1204
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: or or they could be walking. It doesn't matter where.

1205
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: They're coming to eat you. Okay, you have made a

1206
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: sound that means you are struggling as an animal, like

1207
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: a predator's call or another bear call or whatever it is. Um,

1208
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: they're coming to kill you. And so they're not coming.

1209
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: He's like, oh cool, I want what that dying deers doing.

1210
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: And so they're coming to over and so I do

1211
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: not screw around with that. So I take it very seriously.

1212
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't just call them to

1213
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 1: come over to get pictures. And so what I say

1214
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: it scares me is like with these bear viewing people,

1215
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: they just get right up in their grill while they're

1216
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: feeding and they're like, oh, it's fine, we can get

1217
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: up here and get these photos of them, you know,

1218
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, have you ever seen a bear like

1219
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: flip that switch when they do? I mean, what are

1220
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Are you trained to take care of this? Yeah,

1221
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: you've got your pepper spray or whatever, but man, it

1222
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: is so I I I like to think that I

1223
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: am more even though I harvest bears we shoot bears,

1224
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: I almost you know, and I can probably piss off

1225
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: some of my bear viewing people there and Kodiac, but

1226
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean I almost feel that we respect him more. Yeah,

1227
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: just watching him from Afar. I don't need to be

1228
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: a treat them like what they are. You're not. You're

1229
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: treating like what exactly that they are dangerous wild killing machines. Yeah,

1230
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: um yeah, they're beautiful, dangerous wild corrections spectacular. The thing is,

1231
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to provoke and and this is and

1232
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: and understand what I say this to provoke an animal

1233
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: and then kill it and have to kill it because

1234
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 1: of what you did, because of you wanted to try

1235
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: to do you want the first desire to kill it

1236
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: and know why, like, hey, that's an old mature birth.

1237
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: That's a great one to take out. Now I call

1238
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: it now, I can pursue it because I know what

1239
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: it is. I understand it, and it's it's I've thought

1240
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: out reasoning. And it's not just some you know, the

1241
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: killing of lust where I see a bear and I

1242
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: want to run up a challenge and correct stab of

1243
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: a knife. But as as as unfortunately Mr Treadwell found

1244
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: he you know when that bear when those bears are

1245
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: sorry when that bear killed him and his growth and

1246
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: horrible thing, and I you know that. I mean, it's

1247
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: very very unfortunate. But that also cost I believe too,

1248
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: bears their lives, you know. And some people say, well,

1249
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: they deserved it, they killed someone. I realized that, But

1250
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: there bears, that's what they're bears, that's what they do.

1251
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: Do you deserve to get killed and you need a

1252
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: steak like you have to you have to live to

1253
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: and defend your family. And I'm sorry if I off

1254
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: anyone by saying it, but it's just it's one of

1255
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: those things where be very careful what you're doing when

1256
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: you're out there in the in the woods of and

1257
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: how you're treating your camps and whatnot, because the worst

1258
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: thing you could do is to just for your own good,

1259
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: to get a photo of some animal is to provoke

1260
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: it and then have to kill it, meaning like an

1261
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: unprovoked or you know that. Now it has to be

1262
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: we'll treat them as they are, as you say, treat

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: them as they are. If you always treat him as

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: a bear, then you'll be all right. If you you

1265
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: start treating him as a fuzzy thing to take pictures

1266
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: of and hang on your wall. Then you're not gonna

1267
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: be all right. You may be all right for your

1268
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: entire life or ten lifetimes, but that then it becomes

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: up to the bear. Right, then it's up to the bear.

1270
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: And I think that goes for I don't know how

1271
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: many of those videos you've seen of those lions and

1272
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: whatnot in Africa that people decided to get out of

1273
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the truck and and and get a little closer video

1274
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: of this cat that's lay in his tail, and I

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01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: can't remember it was a lion. I think it was

1276
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: a line. There was like a video in India of

1277
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: a lady getting out of her car and the line

1278
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: just comes and takes her, just like a driving zoo

1279
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: or like a driving photo market. The line just comes

1280
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: takes her and she's gone. And she actually lived because

1281
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: I think her mother got out of the car to

1282
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: try to like chase after and grab her. Well, the

1283
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: lady that got initially grabbed lived. The lion comes back

1284
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: and kills a mother. And but that with that, if

1285
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: someone was there with the gun, would have killed that line,

1286
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: because if someone's human left, it would have just been

1287
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: killing what it was supposed to kill, which right at

1288
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: this point, luckily for us, is not humans. Right. Would

1289
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: you imagine like that switch right that that line goes through,

1290
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: that barrier goes through, and you've seen it. I've never

1291
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: seen this ship like that before, where it flicks the

1292
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: switch and becomes the nature takes over of the animal,

1293
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: the predatory. The predator takes over. We don't have like

1294
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: we have that switch. You and I both have it,

1295
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: but we just never It's so deep down we just

1296
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: never use it. I would never even think about having

1297
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: to use it. But the only time that like I

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: could think of as like a human would be if

1299
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: you've got in a fight and and you get so

1300
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: route up your journal and that you were in you

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: were you're in that mode of kill mode. You know

1302
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: you're in fight mode. Oh, and I've got a goal.

1303
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: I've also got a goal to find someone in the

1304
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: world that truly has lived the bulk of their life

1305
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: having to kill to survive. Mm hmm. Then I want

1306
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: to talk to that person for fucking ten hours and

1307
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: find out what's it like to have to kill to survive.

1308
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: And then because then we become a lot like that bear,

1309
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: Then that human becomes an animal just like that bear.

1310
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: And all the things, all the constructs of our society

1311
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: and our minds and the way that we view the

1312
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: world now through our brains goes away and deep down

1313
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's buried in you comes out. And

1314
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: then how do you how do you then look at

1315
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: that animal if you have to kill it to survive.

1316
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a you know, plenty of African tribes

1317
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: still still having to do. But that's that's part of

1318
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: when you know, when you talk about that, I think

1319
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: about that a lot, like I want to talk to

1320
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: somebody because all right, we always talk about meat, and

1321
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: we talked about eating while meat is this like exalted

1322
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: thing that we you and I do, But at the

1323
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, won't have to do that, right,

1324
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: we have a choice. We make the choice to do

1325
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: it because it fulfills us, but we don't have to

1326
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: do it to survive. We're not hungry when we shoot

1327
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: a deer. M Yeah, I mean even you know, I

1328
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: I know several people in Alaska that lives subsistence, true

1329
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: subsistence lifestyle. You know, Yes, they have a cabin or

1330
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 1: a house or whatnot they've built that they live in um,

1331
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: but they need to harvest these blacktailed deer. You know, um,

1332
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: if there's family of four or five kids or whatever

1333
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: it is, you know they need to harvest you know,

1334
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: seven or eight deer or whatever it is to get

1335
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: through the their winters in I realize all those amazing

1336
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: Alaska shows they have out there nowadays, of like, oh man,

1337
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: we've got to get this beautiful, beautiful appollarh No, but

1338
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: even those folks have a choice, right because they could

1339
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: get in their car, they could go intown airport, fly

1340
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: to town and choose to live there. Yeah, I'm talking

1341
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: about some motherfucker that doesn't have a choice. I don't

1342
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: know that just literally does not have a choice in

1343
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: their mind. They cannot think of a time or they

1344
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: could do what you and I do. I think the

1345
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: closest that you and I have probably experienced was with

1346
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: that was probably and I can't speak for you, but

1347
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: but to to look and to those people's eyes and

1348
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: to watch the Nepali people, oh yeah, all day long.

1349
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: I mean, and you almost feel foolish, You feel like

1350
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: an idiot, You feel like I shouldn't say almost, do

1351
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: you feel like an idiot? That's that the tangible there's

1352
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: tangible ways like you in the film that we put

1353
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: out for Yetti, you described it as like, oh, there

1354
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: were I'm wearing Italian hiking boots and they're wearing flip

1355
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: flops with duct tape. That's a tangible way to look

1356
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: at it, Like, that's a pretty good metaphor for the

1357
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: way they live their life and the way we live ours.

1358
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: But when you talk to these people, or at least

1359
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: try to gather some of their intelligence and the knowledge

1360
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: that they have, you realize you are a soft dummy,

1361
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: like you're The way that we've constructed our society is

1362
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: to strip away all the good things that these people

1363
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: innately just have and don't know that they have, for example,

1364
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: never having seen a chainsaw, you know, for example, looking

1365
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: at a tree and being like, well, I need that

1366
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: thing to fall over, and I need to cut it

1367
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: up so where can be warm. And all I have

1368
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: is this rusty, old fucking axe. It's gonna take me

1369
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: six months to cut that tree down. But that is

1370
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: the way my life. That's the only option that I have.

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: You remember the guys in the village where we first

1372
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: camped that first night, Um, I remember when I got

1373
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: really sick that morning, Um, I ate something bad or

1374
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: did something and I had explosive vomiting. I mean, I

1375
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: don't remember the last time I've ever puked, and it was,

1376
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: I mean unbelievable how badly I puked. And but I

1377
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: remember sitting in my tent because we didn't go anywhere

1378
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: that day because they sent the porters ahead to go

1379
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: check the pass out to see how we were shooting rifles. Yeah,

1380
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: so I was so sick just in there and in

1381
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: my tent. But I remember hearing this guy chopping a

1382
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: tree and you know, like they fell a tree. It

1383
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: was it was it was a good sized tree, big

1384
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: old live oak, wasn't Yeah, And so I remember them chopping.

1385
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: I could just hear chop chop chopped, you know, across

1386
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: this valley, and you know it goes down. But then

1387
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: later on we went up to that house and they

1388
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: were they were they were cutting, they're cutting up all

1389
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: this board feet of lumber with hand saws and and

1390
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: trying to make like trim or bait or whatever it

1391
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: was for their home, like or these door frames or something.

1392
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: And and me, I come from a small building background,

1393
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, and helping homebuilders out and doing finished work,

1394
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: and so it amazed me to go watch these guys.

1395
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: I got out of the the tent at that men.

1396
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: I just need to I want to go over and

1397
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: see what's going on over there. Like it amazed me.

1398
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: I've always thought, you know, back of my brand, man,

1399
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: it'd be really cool to go build a log cabin

1400
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: like the real way. And so I, you know, went

1401
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: over to go watch these guys work and it was unbelievable,

1402
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: very humbling. But for us to see that, and that's

1403
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: just their life, like that's what they do. We went

1404
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: out hunting with our twenty one porters in our uh

1405
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: Napoli pizza and our giant tents and stuff, went out

1406
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: hunting and came back and they were still shopping on

1407
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: that tree when we came back, remember uh, the same tree,

1408
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: Like three dudes just up there chopping away. It was

1409
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: a guy and his wife, and I think a kid.

1410
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: There's a kid there too, like a I mean eight

1411
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: or nine year old kid. And it's like, think about

1412
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: those people like we met them. They did not have

1413
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: the ability to think about an easier way to do that.

1414
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: They had never seen it. I mean, there were six

1415
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: days a walk from the nearest road in the middle

1416
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: of the you know, western himilayas like they didn't. They

1417
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: couldn't think. Well, you know I saw on TV a

1418
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: chained there's no dishes there, there's no like, no no

1419
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: dish TV. You know, I saw a home and garden

1420
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: about smartphones. People that were you can make your own change,

1421
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 1: They didn't. This was the only thing that they knew.

1422
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: And because it was the only thing that they knew,

1423
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: it was happy to them and I was. I was

1424
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: made a post on Instagram the other day about like

1425
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: when I was a kid hunting, Uh, we didn't know

1426
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: how to score a deer, so we didn't give a ship.

1427
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: And the point is, like we it was it was

1428
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: the time of my life that had almost zero perspective

1429
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: in regards to hunting. But I didn't need any perspective

1430
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: because I was happy shooting a deer, counting the points

1431
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: and hanging out with my dad. These people are the

1432
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: same way. They have zero perspective in our world, but

1433
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: they don't need perspective world. Right when I was first

1434
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: deer hunting, I also lived at Missouri, moved up to Lisa,

1435
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: Missouri for a while, and UM went to actually high

1436
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: school Lisa and North Um. But where I first went

1437
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: deer hunting with Grandpa Glenn, the guy who got me

1438
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: actually into hunting. I know, one of my family really hunted,

1439
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: but through some people at church. Uh, they introduced me

1440
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: to this guy, um Glenn and um. But regardless, he

1441
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: remember when he when he got us got or he

1442
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: took me down to his farm my first hunt. And

1443
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: I recall be or before the deer season, I said,

1444
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, and I had seen on TV all these

1445
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: like whatever they do food plots, um, you know, put

1446
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: out stuff, you know, and I remember, Um Stephen and

1447
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: I were talking, which is Glenn's grandson, real grandson. We said, man,

1448
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: maybe we could get some of this or this and

1449
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: we could put out some of that stuff. And so

1450
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: we went to go tell that to Grandpa Glenn, and

1451
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: we we kind of like we're presenting what we wanted

1452
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: to do on his land. And he's like, boy, and

1453
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: god damn, horns are hard to eat. You're gonna learn

1454
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: that someday and just walk off and we're both just

1455
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: like what And the point is like we didn't care.

1456
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: We shot those we we we need we got meat.

1457
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,919
Speaker 1: That's what he grew up in a very poor family

1458
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's all they cared about was meat, and we'll

1459
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: talk about the reverse of the spectrum, right like we

1460
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: were talking about adventures ship we create this society makes

1461
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: us fucking soft, and then we go out to get

1462
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: adventure to sharpen up. And then on the opposite side,

1463
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: when society was a little rougher, there was men like

1464
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: you're like Grandpa Glenn, who did need to go out

1465
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: That Grandpa Glen, it sounds like a sharp dude, like

1466
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't very dull. He wasn't going to McDonald's and

1467
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: picking up like and watching football Sunday. He was a

1468
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: sharp sounds like he was a sharp guy. And so

1469
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: generations passed. People were sharp and eately because they had

1470
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: to be to survive. Now we softened the funk out

1471
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: of that. Now you and I feel like entering is

1472
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: the way to like reverse osmosis. People hired me to

1473
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: make them feel pretty cool, like Grandpa, like people are

1474
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: to be like, well, give me what's it like to

1475
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: be self sufficient for seven days? Like this motherfucker's self

1476
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: sufficient everywhere? Like the pal was kind of like getting

1477
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: in a time machine and then being like, dude, this

1478
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: was not long ago. In the eight hundreds. People live

1479
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: like the folks that we met in Nepal. Yeah, that's

1480
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: three humans ago. Three humans ago. This is what it was. Now,

1481
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: we're so connected to everything. We suck at this. Well.

1482
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: When I was okay, so reading some of the books

1483
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: about Nepal, they talked about, like reading Snow Leopard and whatnot. Um,

1484
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, they talked about how they would go through

1485
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: the mountains and they would stop in these villages and

1486
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: they would they would try to collect porters and as

1487
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: they went, some of the porters would drop out and

1488
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: they would try to get new ones from other villages.

1489
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: Guess what, That's exactly what they were still doing when

1490
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: we went. Remember they hiked in from the road with

1491
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: their core group, Mom and those guys, and then they

1492
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: would stop at some villages and pick up porters, okay,

1493
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: and they would just come in. There was no email

1494
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: sent it sent ahead of times saying hey, have your

1495
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: guys ready tomorrow. Whoever wants to go, they'll get paid.

1496
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: This not that I know of at least, but like literally,

1497
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: they show up, who wants to go? You drop what

1498
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: you're doing. It could be the acts and and and

1499
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: then they would go. And from what I understood, and

1500
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but um, you got like single

1501
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: load pay and then you got double load pay. Remember

1502
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: when we were hiking out, that poor guy sitting there.

1503
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys are like soaking what a

1504
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: twenty pounds or something, but like they he had just

1505
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: ginormous load. And I and we stopped along the way

1506
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: and we were almost up to the helly pad or whatever.

1507
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: But I said, hey, we need to help you. Yeah,

1508
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: you want some help. And he was like no, no, no, no,

1509
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: but his back was bad. And but one of the

1510
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: other guys said, no, he won't. He can't let you

1511
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: do that because if you take something from him, the

1512
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: others will see and then he won't collect his full

1513
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: pay because he he signed on for double loads and

1514
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: so then he would get paid more. And so but

1515
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just just you know, for I guess what

1516
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: you say, folks that don't know what we're talking about.

1517
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: If we call and I went to Ne Paul a

1518
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, you're in a couple of

1519
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: months ago for a blue sheep hunt in m l As.

1520
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: Then filmed it fre Jettie with Renan Osterk and ben

1521
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: ayres Camp before collected and so that you know this

1522
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: is the hunt we went on and I don't know

1523
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: that you and I like when we talk about this hunt.

1524
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully we'll get old together and be able

1525
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it many years from now, But like,

1526
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll sit around and like look

1527
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: at those blue sheet and be like, look how big

1528
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: the damn horns are on those sheep. We'll look remember

1529
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: that time, I remember my shot. We'll be talking about

1530
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, right because I do. I truly

1531
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: did feel at the time. In fact, I may have

1532
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: wrote this somewhere that it was like I've always thought,

1533
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: like if I got the time machine, where would I

1534
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: like to go? Like what uh period in human history

1535
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: would I like to travel to? And you go over there,

1536
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: and it's like getting in a time machine if you

1537
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: really examine the humans that you meet, because they do

1538
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: not have the capacity to to want as we do.

1539
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: They don't have the capacity to be vain that we have.

1540
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: They don't have the capacity to um, you know, they

1541
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: don't have mirrors to look in. They just lived their

1542
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: lives day by day and they're they're happy. They work

1543
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 1: hard when they're working, and they celebrate harder when they're celebrating,

1544
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: and they have a culture of reverence for everything. Yeah.

1545
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: When when um, that day, I think I went over

1546
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: into that house where they were cutting up the wood

1547
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: to use for the materials in their home. Um, we

1548
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: just walked in to this home, um and Sam shear

1549
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: and I did, and there was a lady there and

1550
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: then she had a young little daughter. And I'm not

1551
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: sure how old she was. She could have been twelve,

1552
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not really sure. Hard to tell, um,

1553
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: But she came over and looked at She had seen

1554
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: a camera before, right, but like she just looked at

1555
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: it and kind of pointed, and I just I took

1556
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: the camp and took a picture of her, and she

1557
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: smiled and then she was like she wanted to see it,

1558
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: and so she came over and I showed her the

1559
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: back and she was like you know and like just

1560
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: like then she started touching her hair and her face

1561
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: and she merely went outside and I was like, oh, wow,

1562
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: that was kind of okay. And she came back in

1563
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: and she looked a little different and then she was like,

1564
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: um like pointing to her, and I said, oh, you

1565
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: want another picture? So I took another picture, and she

1566
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: wanted to see it again and she felt I think

1567
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: better about herself on the second picture, but like the

1568
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: normal girl that wasn't very good. But she wrote her

1569
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: whole life cold. But she but there was no mirrors

1570
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: in that house, and I just think she's like, oh,

1571
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: I feel a little rough, like the way she looked herself.

1572
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: And we got she she had Marie Claire cosmetics. She

1573
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: was she was out of the back of her she

1574
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: was a Mary Kay sales. When she was trying to

1575
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: pick BMW, it was crazy how quickly she picked it up,

1576
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: picked up the way to be a human in our world.

1577
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that kind of stuff. You know. I

1578
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 1: remember being over there and that this is the hamlet

1579
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: of dol Yarsa. You know how many thousands of people

1580
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: go to to you know, an hour and a half

1581
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: west or east of where we were too ever space

1582
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: camp thousands of people a year ago there Um and

1583
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: to what they told us, well, there was dozens of

1584
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: people maybe in a year's time, outsiders or Westerners or

1585
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: foreigners for lack of a better term, to visit that village.

1586
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: You know, that village was We took what a forty

1587
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 1: five minute an hour long helicopter ride, yeah, west of Katman.

1588
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: Do Um made one stop for fuel. I can't remember

1589
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: the town we stopped in for fuel. It said poker,

1590
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: and it wasn't poker. That wasn't poker. It might have

1591
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: been well not din't matter. But we're somewhere deep in

1592
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: the heart him lays uh and these people that it

1593
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: was astonishing. And then I remember thinking, like even reading

1594
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Snow Leopard and not really picking up a lot of it,

1595
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: and and being really worried about not learning enough about

1596
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 1: the culture, like not coming back like a stupid American

1597
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: being like, oh, that was fun. But they're like, well,

1598
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 1: how is it over there? I'm like, well, it's dirty,

1599
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: but you can't really explain the culture because you know,

1600
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: Hinduism and Buddhism and those cast systems are complicated. Um.

1601
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: But then I got back, I feel like, you met

1602
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: those people, you learned about who they were. That's enough

1603
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 1: to get the perspective that you needed. You know. Yeah,

1604
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: it felt great too there. They are very loving people.

1605
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: I've been some other places in the world where they

1606
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: that feeling is just not quite there and you don't

1607
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: get to quite do the things that we just went

1608
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: and did, like walking into people's homes and whatnot. I've

1609
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: been in some places where I did not feel that welcome.

1610
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: And these people, they are such a loving people. Um,

1611
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't believe how welcoming they were born

1612
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: from how much hardship. Think about the civil war that

1613
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: went on there, maybe a decade before we arrived, the

1614
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: catastrophic earthquake that happened three years I believe before we arrived.

1615
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Less um people in the and dula Arsa telling us

1616
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: stories about the the I believe it was the police

1617
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: force coming in. Yeah, yeah, I can't here if they

1618
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: thought they were rebels or something of that nature. That

1619
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: that area was kind of the belly of the rebellion,

1620
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 1: the communist rebellion against the against the government, the dictator

1621
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: and the royal family playing those cast systems and that Um,

1622
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: I think it's Sawa was the one lady's hut that

1623
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: we went and sapping around the fire, and I think

1624
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: she was explaining that they all the men that were

1625
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: in that room were thought to be rebels and then

1626
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: we'll probably screwing this all up. But yeah, but police

1627
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: force came in and just shot them all. Yeah, as

1628
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: they got into an argument and they said, you guys

1629
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: are a part of and basically they weren't. They were

1630
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: just sitting there and enjoying their evening and these people

1631
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: with guns come in and shoot them all and drag

1632
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: them out and throw them into the water ditch where

1633
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: we were. You know, we're all sitting right there and

1634
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: seeing everything. And it's kind of like, oh, that sounds

1635
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: like a story they would have done hundreds of years ago. No,

1636
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: that happened two thousand and two, whatever it would have happened. Yeah,

1637
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, Man Bahadur are a good main

1638
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: guide telling stories about during that same time period, being

1639
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: conscribed by Um. I believe it was by the rebels

1640
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: to be essentially be a poacher to feed the army.

1641
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: Um and all the things he had to go through.

1642
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean if you don't go, if you

1643
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: if you are incredulous enough to go through that experience

1644
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and when somebody says how it wasn't, you'd be like

1645
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: killed a big sheep. Yeah, you are beyond repair. Yeah,

1646
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, and people always like, oh, you're gonna what

1647
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: do you do? You just mount it and stuff like that.

1648
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yes, of course I mount this beautiful animal.

1649
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: But like when when I want to me, yeah, sure,

1650
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: you can just do pictures or whatever. But to me,

1651
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: I like it when people come over to my home

1652
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: or wherever and I can show them, you know, this animal,

1653
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: this blue sheep. You know, a child could come over

1654
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: and see it and maybe put their hands on the

1655
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: hide and whatnot. But it's it's one of those things

1656
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: like to me, when I look at that and I

1657
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: don't care how big it is right on my amounts

1658
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just one of those things when you

1659
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: look at them and you but you remember. It's like

1660
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: a memory, you know. And that's what, like you said earlier,

1661
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter how big the horns are. Oh

1662
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: what did it measure? I don't, Oh, I have I've

1663
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: been asked by some people your sheet like, I have

1664
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: no idea. It was just a it was an old

1665
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,839
Speaker 1: broke up ram that I have. Oh, I was so

1666
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: pumped to see that sheep. And I mean that was

1667
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: my dream, was to take an old ram that you

1668
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: know that probably won't live through the winter, you know,

1669
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: um or or very many more by any means, And

1670
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: so that was like amazing. I have no clue how

1671
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: those horns majored. We never did put a tape on him.

1672
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I don't even think we ever thought

1673
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: about that. I know people ask me that too, like

1674
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: how big a sheep? And I'm like, listen, I have

1675
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: no idea. I can tell you that I think gets

1676
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: sad that, um, what you said about taxingmy is sad

1677
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 1: to me because you know, you and I went to

1678
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Kodiak killed two two big old blacktailed deer. You guided

1679
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: me and I shot him, and there's so much more

1680
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: to that story than just that, but I had him.

1681
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Komack, our mutual body made a great

1682
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: double pedalst amount for me, like beautiful, pendous gift of

1683
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, for those animals to be like that, to

1684
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: be presented that way. And I had my sister in

1685
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: law came in my house and she was like, looking

1686
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 1: at it, really weird. She's like, oh, yeah, this must

1687
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,879
Speaker 1: be really big ones. How you must feel really nice

1688
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: to show off how big your animals are. You killed

1689
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: like immediately going into the CNN, you know, the CNN,

1690
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: MSNBC bullshit media description of what tax to me is

1691
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: and I just immediate was like, and I just said

1692
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: to her, it's sad that you presume that's why that's there.

1693
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 1: It's sad to me that you your presumption in seeing

1694
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: that animal mounted in that way is that I want

1695
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: you to see how big it is. I'm sad for you.

1696
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: I would would love for you to ask me like

1697
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: where did that animal live? Tell me about the natural

1698
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: history of Kodiak blacktail deer, and tell me the story

1699
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: of how it came to be there. Yeah, it's it's

1700
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: okay as a non hunter or source ione to be

1701
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: curious um and asking questions. That's okay, you know, you

1702
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: can you can ask someone what why did you mount that?

1703
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: You know? But I think as as hunters, you know,

1704
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: and that kind of goes. You know, we could go

1705
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: off on all sorts of you know, rabbit trails on that.

1706
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: But be prepared as a person, be prepared to tell

1707
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: people and to educate people. Why do you do it?

1708
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Don't be that redneck. Well that's two big ones to me,

1709
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: like especially like those deer and stuff like I mean

1710
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: that trip, what what an amazing memory and an amazing

1711
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: um uh respect to that animal to use that animal?

1712
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. And I told her, I said,

1713
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,759
Speaker 1: I have long since eating those those deer and I

1714
01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and I U yeah, yeah, and I try and I

1715
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: traveled with those deer their hides and their heads and

1716
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: their flesh from Alaska back here, and then we ate

1717
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: them right here, like then there they are. That's not them,

1718
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: but that's you know, that's a fasimile of what they

1719
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: were like. And as much as I love European mounts

1720
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: and as much like we were talking about this, and

1721
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: like the head of a white tail deer and a

1722
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: black tail deer and a cus deer looks just about

1723
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: the same, and like you're not. If I held up

1724
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: accused deer skull and a black tailed deer scull, you could,

1725
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: if you're a hunter and you know the animals, you

1726
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: could probably say that pick them out. But what a

1727
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: difference to see a whitetail mount and a blacktail codiac

1728
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: blacktail mount. It's like different different colors and different colors.

1729
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: And just so I was and I'm thinking, I want

1730
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: to see this animal the way it was. It's important

1731
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: to me to see that. And so yeah, that part sucks.

1732
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: I hate when people do that, but I also know

1733
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: why they do, because hunters have we've had a very

1734
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: bad like you said, it's did a fucking real bad

1735
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: job of making taxidermy. About what we're talking about you know, right,

1736
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: and it's artwork. You know, if you talk to Chris, like,

1737
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: this is art that he is trying to bring back

1738
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:23,480
Speaker 1: and recreate life here. It should be when someone walks in, wow,

1739
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: that is a beautiful animal. Wow. And they may not

1740
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: know what type of animal it is, but to walk

1741
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: in somewhere and see a life size whatever it may be,

1742
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it should it should not be

1743
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: a scary looking thing, you know. And so if it's

1744
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: good tax for me, it should be done beautifully. And

1745
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 1: it's great to be able to like take kids and

1746
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: and show them like, oh, this is ah, this is

1747
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: how big this is. This is how big that is.

1748
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: This is what this is? And why do they have that? Well,

1749
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: they have horns because of this reason, so to educate people. Um,

1750
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is. But um,

1751
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate. And you know, and we've done

1752
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: a bad Like homes, right, tax to me, in homes

1753
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: is normally gathered into a one room, right, we call

1754
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: it a trophy room. And I think that's part. You know,

1755
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: those things are just part of the probably you gather

1756
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: them all together like a collection rather than presenting him

1757
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: in your home is like a tapestry of your life,

1758
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, which is what I want to try to do.

1759
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I just I'm building a new home right now, and

1760
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 1: I think about, like how do I present my hunting

1761
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: life in this home as opposed to just like how

1762
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: do I stack them all up in a in a

1763
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 1: barn or something so people can see all of it together.

1764
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: I like it because like you walk from my room

1765
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: and you see that, Yes, hunting is happening in my life,

1766
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: but it's not. These animals aren't there as a collection

1767
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: of all the things I've done. It's it's my experiences,

1768
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, personified and weird in a weird sense. So

1769
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: I I wonder and I you know, stuff that Chris

1770
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: connect does, like that ship will last forever, like those

1771
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 1: deer will last as long as I'm alive, and probably

1772
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: to my children, yeah, they're they're just you know, it's

1773
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: it's a great memory. Like I said, that's the way

1774
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I look at it. I love. I love looking at

1775
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: something like that and looking at the beauty of it

1776
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: and just remembering that animal you know, and and knew

1777
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: that and and and know that we did the most

1778
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: respectful thing that we could after taking its life. Well,

1779
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: and then then those two deer's case. We we hunted

1780
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 1: those deer, you know, not a very it wasn't very spectacular,

1781
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: just like we could tell the story to hunt it.

1782
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: It was mostly just like Nepul would be the story

1783
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: of how cold it was and how windy it was. Um,

1784
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: that story the story of hunting him. Um, it was

1785
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 1: very much like you knew where the big deer hung out,

1786
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: or at least where somebody hung out. We went up,

1787
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: we found him, got lucky enough to get them both

1788
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: and a pretty um for that country, pretty easy scenarios

1789
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,560
Speaker 1: with with a rifle. But then after that we ate

1790
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: him in camp for our survival and a sixty mile

1791
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: in our eight mile on our wind guests in December

1792
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: and Kodiak. We packed them into a raft, rafted down

1793
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: the river. That river froze. Then we pulled their fucking

1794
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: frozen heavy flesh heads out of the out of our rafts,

1795
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: build our camp back up, and then the next day

1796
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 1: hiked the frozen meat and heads six six deer, six

1797
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: full deer. Four or five of us hiked these things out.

1798
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Was at a couple of miles we went I think

1799
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: it was four miles, four miles. I keep saying to

1800
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: I'll take four all four miles to our pickup point.

1801
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: Like that's my experience with that meat. And then it

1802
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: went into I went to a plane that went in

1803
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: the head too. Then it went to a plane, then

1804
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: it went to Kodiak, then it went in a cooler

1805
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 1: than it went with me to my home and went

1806
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: in my freezer. It's feeding your family, you know, it's

1807
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: it's the whole experience. Yeah, it's like Ben doesn't center

1808
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: and go man every like whenever we've told these stories,

1809
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: it's not like you're not telling people. You see how

1810
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 1: big these bucks whatever they were, giants bucks. But it

1811
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: was our adventure. What it was, uh you know, like

1812
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: we talked to you know, it was an unbelievable adventure

1813
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: and it it truly uh well, when you have those hardships,

1814
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: like going back to what we talked about earlier on,

1815
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: when you have those hardships, that makes you appreciate things

1816
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and and and once you once we find because it

1817
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: end up taking as we did three trips to get

1818
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, um, all this dear meat that we had

1819
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: corded up in our packs and and in our personal

1820
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: camp gear and everything you know out um to get

1821
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: picked up Um by plane, and so I mean all

1822
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: this hardship, Um, it all comes down. You know when

1823
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: every morsel that meat, when you're eating it, I mean,

1824
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: your your family is appreciative. But it's like as us

1825
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: as the hunter who pulled the trigger or hiked it out.

1826
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. You don't have to pull the trigger.

1827
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: But when you help someone a part of that hunt

1828
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there cutting your meat and and put

1829
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: it in your mouth, it's just like, wow, I remember this,

1830
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I remember what we did. It's like putting life back

1831
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: in your fucking body. Yeah, it's it's like, hey, man,

1832
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: I told my wife all the time. We got in

1833
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a spat recently. And I've said

1834
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: this little podcast before, but like I've I've I've continually

1835
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 1: just said, like, hey, look, if you overcook a piece

1836
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: of meat, who am I I'm terrible I cook. I'm

1837
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: no uh no fancy cook. But like, let's have an

1838
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: idea of let's have an idea of like why I

1839
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: might get upset if the the last piece of Kodiak

1840
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: blacktail backstrap gets overcooked and left on the counter. Just

1841
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: if I'm upset, I'm not upset you for your cooking skills.

1842
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm upset for the opportunity to consume more of that

1843
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: and will enjoy that in a way that I want to.

1844
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: So her and I keep coming back and forth. She

1845
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: keeps bringing it back to you're a dick. You keep

1846
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: making fun of my cooking. I'm like, no, no, I don't.

1847
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: It's not about that for me. I don't I appreciate

1848
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: that you cooked it. I just want you to understand that, like,

1849
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: it's important to me that we really, I have reverence

1850
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: for this piece of meat, that we don't just stew

1851
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: it up or we don't just like we think about it.

1852
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: We and and we celebrate it and and we don't

1853
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: just you know, throw it in a taco and you know,

1854
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: And so her and I maybe will never get on

1855
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: we probably will never get on the right wavelength with that,

1856
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: but we continue to go back to it because I'm like,

1857
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm never going to not be upset if if um,

1858
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: the last tender loin is is cooked a hundred eighty degrees,

1859
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: not that she does that all the time. Sorry, you're

1860
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: wonderful here. I made some burn ins. Yeah, it says

1861
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,600
Speaker 1: tender loin on the package, and so we yeah, we

1862
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: are always always going back and forth about that because

1863
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, you gotta reverse herit and then get in

1864
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: the trigger. She's like, I'll just throw in the oven.

1865
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: It's fine. It tastes delicious, so it's always but yeah,

1866
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 1: that just goes back to me. I'm like, I can't

1867
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: go back and get this right. One of the things

1868
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: that I've always wanted to do um in my dining room,

1869
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: I always show to be cool. I just bought a

1870
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: house and I you know, started trying to put stuff together.

1871
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: But I always saw this little thought in my brain

1872
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: because I do appreciate so much of where my meat

1873
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 1: comes from. I want to have like a little TV

1874
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 1: screen or one of those like photo album things right

1875
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: there at the end table, like when you have like

1876
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: a group of people and have like photos of the

1877
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: hunt and of the animal going in the background, and

1878
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: maybe some people that like freaks out, but I'm talking

1879
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: to me personally, I feel like, what a way to

1880
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: remember how I got this or how my hunter got

1881
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: this animal and to just remember it's like in remembrance,

1882
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like when you're in church

1883
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: and you and you go take the communion and you know,

1884
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: and you're praying and you're you're remembering, you know, And

1885
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: so for me, I always thought, man, that'd be really

1886
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: cool to have like just a little screen there, and

1887
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe some people wouldn't even know what it was, because

1888
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: you don't want some people like because you know how

1889
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 1: that would go with some some people that aren't like, Okay,

1890
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 1: slide slide, sit down. I know you're hungry. You sit

1891
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: there and you watch every slide about this animal that

1892
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: I've killed. That's right. But no, for me though, I

1893
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: just think like it's just me by myself. I just

1894
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: think like it's like to pull the photo of that

1895
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: animal or a couple of pictures of the trip to me,

1896
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: that like makes me, I don't know, makes it more

1897
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: happy and makes me think about the respect part of it.

1898
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: You know, that would be for everyone. Your wife may

1899
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: not like that. What's that? That's what's in your mouth? Yeah,

1900
01:41:55,439 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: there's the gut pile. I mean there's been that's been.

1901
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: He pooed his pants before that. That was a picture.

1902
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: We're into, Paul, how many times total did you and

1903
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: I have too our pants? And like, let's get into

1904
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 1: let's I'm happy to get into what like what shooting

1905
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,640
Speaker 1: your pants really like the definition of it, because we

1906
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: have the thing we called the shart right and which

1907
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 1: is just I mean, there's hundreds of those, you know.

1908
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: The problem. Yeah, sometimes I guess from what I've heard

1909
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: when um, when you go to places like that, Um,

1910
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: it's the types of food you eat, and maybe the

1911
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: richness of it. Um. Chris Kamack, the tax dermist is

1912
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: out there. It's looking in Chris. We're telling a really

1913
01:42:54,320 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: important story here. So anyways, Um, apparently the diet that

1914
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 1: you're fed sometimes and I think even Ranan and those

1915
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: guys said, yeah, typically when you come over here wants

1916
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: a trip, you know, you'll get you know, some stomach

1917
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 1: issue and everything's dirty. Uh, every like the water and

1918
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: you can't drink the water. The fruit is hard to

1919
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: eat because it's washed in the water. Uh yeah, I mean,

1920
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: and it's not like they I mean, the outfitter does

1921
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: a great job and good food and all that kind

1922
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's not it's not really the point. It's like,

1923
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 1: it's just everything is done a little differently. And apparently

1924
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: it's fairly common to um get sick. And so it

1925
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: hit me first and I was explosive vomiting, you know,

1926
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,679
Speaker 1: and so um it then, But it kind of passed

1927
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: through me fairly quick that one day, and then after

1928
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: that I was pretty good when I was doing the

1929
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: acclamation hikes and right, I'll be off. That's right. It's

1930
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: so when when I um, I remember just sitting in

1931
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: my tent and like the one time I would get out,

1932
01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: I have to go to bathroom, And I mean, yeah,

1933
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: you'd be sitting there, think it's just a little gas

1934
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: and and you know how that goes, and all of

1935
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, whoa, and you have to bail out of

1936
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 1: your tent because it's getting ready to get really messy

1937
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: inside you're sleeping back there were those those darn what

1938
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 1: do they call it the Tibetan sports or something. Yeah,

1939
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: but regardless, so that that went through me fairly quick.

1940
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,719
Speaker 1: But it seemed like the next day, like the days

1941
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 1: after that's when it hit everyone, and I believe or

1942
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: noton was starting to feel like some stomach pains and

1943
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: this and that and the other. Um. But yeah, there

1944
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: was probably I think three out of four of us

1945
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: definitely had some scrub about our underpants, had some things happen. Well,

1946
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: this is an open forum, just discuss it freely. Yes,

1947
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: I do feel like you have to sugarcoat what right?

1948
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 1: I recall and and I mean Ranan's I don't think

1949
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: he'll get too upset, but I recall. But what was

1950
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: it that you know? We were asking, you know, each more,

1951
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: like hey, man, how you feeling You're doing okay? And

1952
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: and I remember I was either out of the tent

1953
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: or I could hear him in the tent, and it's like, hey,

1954
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 1: right on, how are you feeling this one? Uh? Um no,

1955
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm feeling better. But last night was a little rough

1956
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: and I was and it's like, okay, what happens Like, um, well,

1957
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I had to use the bathroom and I didn't make

1958
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: it out of my sleeping bags. I mean, you know.

1959
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: And and Derek, you just yeah, when it when it's

1960
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: getting ready to hit you, you don't. I mean, well,

1961
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I here's my story, the story of my that's I

1962
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: feel a good way to the end the podcast. We're

1963
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 1: not gonna end on poop. Okay, yes we are, because

1964
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: that's our relationship. We've we've had more hard times with

1965
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 1: our underpants than uh. I was in the height of

1966
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: well it was right. It was as you were the

1967
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: morning before you went out and shot your sheep. When

1968
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: we got really into the area where we knew we

1969
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 1: could hunt. I've been puking all day. I couldn't really

1970
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: get out of my tent. Anytime I move I did,

1971
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: just my body would just like quiver with pain, stomach, head,

1972
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: just my whole existence was being attacked. And um, I

1973
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 1: would just be at some point during the night, I

1974
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: was puking in my vestibule and I distinctly remember you

1975
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: wake it up and gone, then are you okay. I'm like,

1976
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm okay, just letting it rip in the vestibule and

1977
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: and and it was better. That was a rough time. Yeah,

1978
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: And and what was it the day before this all happened?

1979
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this kind of stuff hits you, like,

1980
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: especially like out too, sickness or whatnot. I mean, when

1981
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: you were hiking on the trail, it was fine. And

1982
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:42,600
Speaker 1: then what was it when you stood up all of

1983
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: a sudden it I was in the snow all of

1984
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: a sudden. Was when those when are our donkeys or

1985
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 1: our mules got stuck in that past And we had

1986
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 1: just summoned the the very first summon out of camp.

1987
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, we were going through a pass and it

1988
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: was like the north to have a mountain where there

1989
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: was really deep snow, and the donkeys were loaded with

1990
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: all this gear with the porters and it was too

1991
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 1: deep as snow. They were post holing, and so they

1992
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 1: had to offload all the stuff, and the porters were

1993
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 1: running a load of gear up and then we're gonna

1994
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: come back and grab the rest of it. And so

1995
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: we were just taking our time along over stopped while

1996
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: we were, and they were filming some of it and

1997
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 1: trying to get figure out what we're gonna do. And

1998
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: as we were stopped and nobody saw this, but I

1999
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: was like standing up and then all of a sudden,

2000
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't standing up anymore, Like I was just sitting

2001
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: in the snow or laying in the snow or whatever. Okay,

2002
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And then from then on it was just

2003
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: my head was gone, like my there, you know, my

2004
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 1: brain was just not functioning. We're seeing things. I saw

2005
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: that wolf and a little baby, and then you know,

2006
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 1: not only the scarier than that kind of stuff was

2007
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: that like walking but not gonna understand like if your

2008
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 1: arms removing or if your legs were moving, or if

2009
01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: they were doing the right things, Like your brain is

2010
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 1: not talking to your extremities anymore because it doesn't have

2011
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: enough oxygen to really do his job. And that was scary.

2012
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: And then I got over that, thank god, because you

2013
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: guys were discussing my exit from that. We were going

2014
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 1: to use our emergency exit Plan Global Rescue to get

2015
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 1: Ben out because we thought there is because when you

2016
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 1: when I saw you find because we're on and I

2017
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: got to camp and I kept looking back with knocktors

2018
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: down the valleys, like where is Ben? You and Ben

2019
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: been airs? Where are you guys? And finally when I

2020
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: saw you guys pop out of those trees like a

2021
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: mile down or however far he was holding he's holding

2022
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 1: your hand or holding your arms, and I was like, oh,

2023
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: that's not good. And you guys were going one step

2024
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: at a time, and when when you finally got you there,

2025
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 1: I you know, we kind of just I just thought, Okay,

2026
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: it's only gonna get worse, like for you, like we

2027
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,679
Speaker 1: have to go higher and further, like I just don't

2028
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: know this is gonna work. And yeah, we we were

2029
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: discussing how we're gonna you know, there was you know,

2030
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: because I think you you went through some this for

2031
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: a couple of days or how many days. Was that

2032
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,440
Speaker 1: for that, I mean, that was just that one experience.

2033
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: But then I slept. So what I think happened, and

2034
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: what Ben was talking about was like I had I

2035
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,440
Speaker 1: didn't get the flu. What I was getting the flu

2036
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: like I was getting the old cabman dow flu. At

2037
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: the same time, we hit that high altitude and I

2038
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: was so dehydrated, like my body was kind of battling

2039
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: everything that it just kind of attacked me all at once.

2040
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: I remember sitting down in the in the main tent

2041
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 1: with you guys and being so fucking cold. But it

2042
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: wasn't really that cold right day, but I was so

2043
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: fucking cold that I just felt like my whole body

2044
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: was breaking down. I was cold, I didn't really kind

2045
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: of didn't really know what was going on, and they

2046
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: put me in that big north Face poppy. Remember, I

2047
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:51,839
Speaker 1: just sat against that chair and they have filmed interviews

2048
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: like what's going on, Ben, I'm like, I don't know, man,

2049
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: this amount was trying to kill me. Yeah, it's like,

2050
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: let's just go lay you down. You're like, no, leave

2051
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: me here, don't move me, don't touch me. And I

2052
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,599
Speaker 1: went out and pee. I remember standing up to walk

2053
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: out and go pee, which I did, and realizing I

2054
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: could walk, and I was like, now I can make

2055
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: it to my tent. I went over to the tent,

2056
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 1: I laid down and slept for twelve hours or something,

2057
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: and then and they had give me diamox and giving

2058
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,560
Speaker 1: me a bunch of anti nausea, you know, pump me

2059
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,719
Speaker 1: full of stuff and full of fluid. Slept for twelve hours,

2060
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 1: and I think the diamox did its job, and I

2061
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 1: felt better when I woke up, better enough to eat

2062
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 1: breakfast with everybody. And then it was given the order

2063
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 1: to like, go hike up there and see if you

2064
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 1: can right. Well, at that point, because I think I

2065
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: had taken my ram um the day before and the

2066
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: goal was to get you the ram closest to camp.

2067
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: Well that was no, you hadn't taken your ram yet.

2068
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: When when that was happening, we we didn't even go

2069
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 1: to the next camp. Yeah, that was right, we had

2070
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: to go to the next That was the camp that

2071
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 1: was the kid were hiking to the cam we're hiking

2072
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: to when I had altude sickness wherever it was, that

2073
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: was yeah, that was the first camp. That was our

2074
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: first camp. And then the next morning they said hey

2075
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,839
Speaker 1: go we all degree. We remember we did some interviews

2076
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 1: for the We did interviews for the film, and then

2077
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: I went off with Raju, one of our main guys.

2078
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: You went ahead and they said, go ahead, and if

2079
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 1: you have any troubles, that's right. We're pulling the plug

2080
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: on this bitch. That's right. And as we get going,

2081
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm started feeling pretty good. Where you and I were laughing,

2082
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: but he's like, oh, you're better now, thank thank goodness.

2083
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 1: And we get going. We get up mon is way

2084
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 1: ahead of us. Our main guy, Mon is way ahead

2085
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: of us, scouting for sheep. Well, we finally we get

2086
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: up to where man is. He sees his sheep. He's

2087
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: trying to show me whe where it is. And as

2088
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: I'm looking up the valleys trying to find these sheep

2089
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: in the alpine, my stomach explodes, like I got what

2090
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: you had two days prior now, you know, post my

2091
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 1: altitude sickness or mountain sickness or whatever where I had going.

2092
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: Now I've got the secondary attack of immediately just doubled

2093
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 1: over in pain. And then I know you guys they

2094
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 1: READIO back and said, hey, we got some sheep. You

2095
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: guys all come forward out of camp. And by the

2096
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: time you get there, I'm already kind of laid up

2097
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: against the bank. Um. And it's a pretty bad way.

2098
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: But now it's not out to do sickness. Now it's

2099
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, my stomach is turning a knot. And so

2100
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 1: we glass of sheep up. Mon gives us like, we're

2101
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: hunting now, We're not just walking. We're hunting now. Gives

2102
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: us the speech listen to Mon follow them on, and

2103
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember him talking. I'm just like, dude,

2104
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 1: this is the most miserable what is this? And remember

2105
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: we hi. Then we hiked forward to the next camp, right,

2106
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 1: and you guys are then again ahead of me. By

2107
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: the time I got there, I collapsed in the snow

2108
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:51,560
Speaker 1: by the time I got there, and they put a

2109
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: tent up and I just crawled in that thing. And

2110
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: it was that night when I was puking out of

2111
01:52:54,800 --> 01:53:00,120
Speaker 1: the vest of you um. And then that evening, in

2112
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, I get up, I've got

2113
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: to take a ship. I get ben airs or medic

2114
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 1: comes over to help me. I'm struggling. I'm like a

2115
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 1: week I haven't eaten anything for a while. And he

2116
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 1: gets me up and I pulled my pants down and

2117
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: it's just like it's I can't stand up. And I

2118
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: fell over in the snow and I laid in the

2119
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: snow my pants down and I let it fly. I'm

2120
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: not laughing at you, I'm laughing with laughing. And in

2121
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 1: the night there was their nepoly porters came with their

2122
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 1: flashlights as I laid in the snow, and they were like,

2123
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: are you okay? Okay? I'm like, look at me. Do

2124
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 1: I look okay? I'm not okay? I am dying here? Yeah?

2125
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: You are? Yeah, And that's what you know. And that's

2126
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 1: when they said that. That's when they said you need

2127
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: to go up and shoot these sheep. Ben will not

2128
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: be able to get it round. They said, Ben's not

2129
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna get Yeah. That was like decided upon that I

2130
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: was not going to be hunting. And I went in

2131
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 1: my tent while you went hunting. The next day and

2132
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 1: just laid there all day long, twenty four hours, just

2133
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: laying in my tent. They would bring me all types

2134
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: of food and every smell of every food they brought,

2135
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 1: maybe puke again they brought. They're like, what we bring

2136
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: curry chicken, Oh, we bring curry pizza up we bring

2137
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: curry tea, we brought you apple. Then It's so a

2138
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 1: full day of that. But then that evening you guys returned,

2139
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: and I was feeling like, I think I ate some

2140
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 1: rice or something. And then you guys got back and

2141
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: I saw your faces, and I was like, oh my god,

2142
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Coal is one of the toughest people I know. For

2143
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 1: non Ostarch is probably the toughest person I've ever met.

2144
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 1: And they you guys looked like you've been through a battle.

2145
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 1: It was blowing. I remember it was blowing up top there,

2146
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 1: and we were so wind burnt. My lips were so

2147
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 1: chapped and burnt up. The roof of my mouth was burnt.

2148
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was a big had been

2149
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 1: through and from my perspective, having like almost already being

2150
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: too weak to do very much at all. I remember

2151
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 1: I got up at one point during that day when

2152
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: you were out, you know, doing the real hard stuff,

2153
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think I could get to the

2154
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: creek down there. It was like a hundred yards away.

2155
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 1: I could make it to get back right well, And

2156
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: it was it was that what do we what do

2157
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 1: we say? Say? Listen? Um? I think I stayed back

2158
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 1: and I worked on the sheep that next day and

2159
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: they decided to take you for a little hike because

2160
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 1: they said, if you you gotta go try this otherwise.

2161
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: We remember they came there like you cut your sheep.

2162
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 1: And they came back and they said, can you go?

2163
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 1: Can you go hunting? I'm like, I can try, but

2164
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 1: I gotta light here more like I can't. I gotta

2165
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 1: eat something and try to like stand up. I haven't

2166
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: stood up, and you know, thirty hours, let me figure

2167
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: out how to get going here. And uh, then mom

2168
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: came back. I was like, there's a sheep close to camp.

2169
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 1: It's your only chance you will see you get up.

2170
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,400
Speaker 1: You must get up your weekly and uh. He took

2171
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: me up there and we got up that freaking hill.

2172
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: But I couldn't. I said, look, I can't care anything,

2173
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I was, there's no ego and for me

2174
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: at that point, I was pretty weak and and and

2175
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 1: I just said, pack whatever you can in my pack

2176
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 1: and just get the rifle and let's go. And they yeah,

2177
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 1: we we we summited pry and know when we went

2178
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 1: up a thousand feet maybe feet, and it was pretty

2179
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 1: gradual and they were, you know, there there was like

2180
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: an old lady a crossing the road. They were always like,

2181
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 1: on to grab my elbow and then they helped me up.

2182
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: They were doing the best. Yeah they were. They understood

2183
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 1: I was in a bad way. Um, and mon let

2184
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: him on later said, you know, I didn't think there

2185
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 1: was no way. Yeah, and enter you like, no, he

2186
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: looked like pretty fit, I guess. But I like how

2187
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 1: they put that. And then they put in the video

2188
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 1: like it was talking about you. He's like he's yeah,

2189
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 1: but yeah. And then we got up there. We get

2190
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: up to these sheep and they're like three or four

2191
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: d yards away and we realized that they had not

2192
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 1: packed my range finder and I subsequently and I felt

2193
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: pretty Um, I felt pretty desperate to kill a sheep

2194
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: and get back out of there. And I took a

2195
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 1: shot I shouldn't have took because I didn't. We they

2196
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: were like three hundred and I'm like meters or yards,

2197
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't three hundreds. It turns out, I mean I

2198
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: shot where it's back. One shot, sheep run away. I

2199
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, well, you know, what a miserable, like,

2200
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: what a failure this is has been so close, so close,

2201
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 1: but there's no this is I feel better, but not

2202
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: strong enough and then yeah, to trying to go get

2203
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: water out of my Yeti bottle, and they had poured

2204
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: boiling water into my Yeti bottle, which, as anyone knows

2205
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: his Yetti bottle, it doesn't get any cooler with time.

2206
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 1: And so I went to take a large drink of

2207
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: water and poured boarding the water down my throat and

2208
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 1: on my face. Lovely experience, and then just lost it.

2209
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: Just lost it. And I feel bad it even to

2210
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:26,880
Speaker 1: this day for losing it like I did, just like

2211
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, just at at at my wits end with

2212
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:34,040
Speaker 1: like this this continual right right things. And after seeing

2213
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: you go up and shoot a sheep, I'm like, man,

2214
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm not that far away from this. You know, it's

2215
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 1: not it's not easy, but being healthy, I think I

2216
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: could do it, Like sure, I think I could do it.

2217
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 1: And then that night we all talked about it, and

2218
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 1: then we pretty much decided let's go. Like I got

2219
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 1: back to camp, I was feeling pretty shitty, but I

2220
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: got back all right. Well, I think that fire it

2221
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: was lit in you at that point in time, I

2222
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 1: could see that you were piste. Yeah, I was frustrated,

2223
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 1: and it was like it was good though, because I'm like,

2224
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: I think he looks better. He got up there, he

2225
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, they basically said, I mean, you

2226
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 1: can put it your way. But I know how we

2227
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: had it to our like okay, mom's, Mom's like, this

2228
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 1: is our only goal. And they're way the hell up there.

2229
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 1: They're up and over those mountains, and it's kind of like,

2230
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 1: do you really think he can make that? And it's like, well,

2231
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 1: that's the only thing we can do. I mean, we

2232
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 1: just have to try and otherwise than he can right,

2233
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 1: otherwise I'll start going back. Yeah, And and in truth

2234
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 1: be told, you know, you never said I can't do what.

2235
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: You were always like, yeah, let's let's try it. And

2236
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 1: we're all like, well, good, I don't think you can

2237
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: actually do it. I never thought in my mind. In

2238
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 1: my mind, I thought because I remember eating my first

2239
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 1: granola bar and feeling like that was a wind and

2240
01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's a winet is possible. But then

2241
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:02,040
Speaker 1: it just kept me like I said, you get a

2242
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 1: little winds, like I got a little food in me,

2243
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: got a little more sleep because I couldn't sleep us

2244
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:08,520
Speaker 1: so sick, I never slept, So now I have no

2245
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: sleep I have, you know, I haven't. I wrote in

2246
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 1: my journal and read it a lot. It's just like

2247
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 1: just kind of listing the misery points. But then yeah,

2248
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:22,000
Speaker 1: then we decided to say we can. We kind of

2249
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 1: have to. He said, this is the last last sheep

2250
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: that we know they're in this valley that you know.

2251
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: I said, way, it's like, we gotta get up. I

2252
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 1: remember them saying, I gotta get up at five am.

2253
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: We gotta hike up over this past. Yeah, it was

2254
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of like showing us what we need to do,

2255
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: they pointed. And it's kind of like one of those

2256
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: things as a guy, you're like not sure if the

2257
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 1: person is gonna be able to do it right. Yeah,

2258
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 1: that's where we gotta go almost like can intimidate you

2259
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 1: or see how you're gonna you know. But I don't

2260
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: remember any specifics around that, any conversation now, I don't

2261
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 1: remember anywhere out of it. Still, Yeah, I don't remember

2262
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 1: any Like, I just remember getting back to the tent

2263
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 1: after I missed this sheep and and burn my face

2264
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 1: boiling water and sitting there and ben Airs coming over.

2265
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 1: Ben Airs is this gentle, beautiful person like coming over

2266
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 1: and just saying, like, what's upset? You're upset. I'm like,

2267
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 1: can you tell you about I'm a little bit upset.

2268
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 1: I wish this was going another way, buddy, Like I

2269
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: wish this. I wish I was healthy and fit, and

2270
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:27,960
Speaker 1: I think I could do this, Like if I'm healthy

2271
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: and fit, I think I can get it done. Like

2272
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I often even now think back of

2273
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 1: what it would have been like if we were like

2274
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 1: I was healthy, for all of us, it would have

2275
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 1: been a whole different experience. Um, I'm glad it went

2276
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: the way I did, but sure, well, yeah, but it

2277
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:43,120
Speaker 1: would be a whole different experience for you and for

2278
02:01:43,160 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 1: everybody else in the trip. Had I been yeah, but

2279
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, yes. The next day it was.

2280
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day. We go up the valley,

2281
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 1: that huge pass we had to go over, and I'm

2282
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 1: thinking with every step, I'm like, oh, boy, one ft

2283
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 1: in front the other. But I have been around so

2284
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 1: many guys that once they are um faced with adversity,

2285
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:11,440
Speaker 1: how they can break down. And you never did that day.

2286
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 1: You just kept putting one foot in front of the

2287
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 1: other and you'd have to sit down. You were weak.

2288
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:18,200
Speaker 1: We'd get your water, but you just sit down and

2289
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 1: we'd you know, and you would you get up? Yep,

2290
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm good, and you just one foot in front of

2291
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: the other. I had a few breakdowns that day though.

2292
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I remember taking my tracking poles and I remember Roj,

2293
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: you're saying in what little English she could say, like

2294
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 1: I remember, remember we we go up this snowy pass

2295
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:35,880
Speaker 1: and like it's literally I don't know how many feet

2296
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: of snow. It was four four snow that was iced over,

2297
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 1: so you would be stepping on the ice and hoping

2298
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 1: that you didn't fall through, and you started to fall through.

2299
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, anybody that's hiked in that kind of country

2300
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:50,320
Speaker 1: knows what your post holing and every steps like going

2301
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 1: another mile, you know, when you're in that situation and

2302
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 1: we're at what sixteen thousand feet at this point, something

2303
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: like that, sixteen five. Yeah, now we're post holing for

2304
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:02,320
Speaker 1: what seemed to be hours. I mean it was hours

2305
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:05,800
Speaker 1: to get up and we summoned this. You know, it

2306
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 1: was a pretty gradual valley, but for that place, it

2307
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:13,000
Speaker 1: was a very long, long, just arduous gradual. It wasn't

2308
02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 1: a climb, like we didn't have to climb hands and knees,

2309
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:18,960
Speaker 1: but it was a long slog and postal on through

2310
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 1: this ice. It's cold and um. We get to the

2311
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:26,760
Speaker 1: summit of this uh of that ascent and we look

2312
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 1: at across this valley and I remember thinking I made

2313
02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 1: it up here because they're like, the sheep are up there,

2314
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, let me get my gun out and

2315
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: get it loaded because you know, you know, the sheep

2316
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be around here. And then finally they spot

2317
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: him when we look across, I'm like, this fucker is

2318
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a mile and a half. Yeah, they made it

2319
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 1: sound like they were right there because he went around

2320
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,920
Speaker 1: the bowl and they waved us over. Sheep, sheep, sheep,

2321
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, right here. I'm like those sheep.

2322
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,240
Speaker 1: I range. I'm like, wait what down there? And I

2323
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 1: ranged and it was like seventeen yards away and I

2324
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:02,600
Speaker 1: looked at like that's too far. We're all like that far,

2325
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make it, and we were. That was

2326
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:06,280
Speaker 1: That was the one time where I thought this is

2327
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,040
Speaker 1: over because it was hot as funk. Then remember it

2328
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:13,160
Speaker 1: was burning our skin, like you know, the roof of

2329
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:16,280
Speaker 1: your mouth is burning. My lips were chapter glare off

2330
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 1: the snow, glare off the snows, and it was actually

2331
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 1: fairly warm that day after, like you say, it got warm,

2332
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,240
Speaker 1: and for being in that type of climate, it feels

2333
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,680
Speaker 1: when it does break and you get that sun and no,

2334
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 1: when there it feels hot. Oh yeah, because there's just

2335
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 1: there's no there's not as much atmosphere. The air is thinner,

2336
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:36,200
Speaker 1: so that sun is that much more intense. And so

2337
02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: we're sitting on that ridge glass and the sheep and

2338
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:42,000
Speaker 1: that sun is hitting me and I'm I'm just like

2339
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I remember thinking like this is some

2340
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 1: real adventurous stupidity. I'm gonna go after these sheep, but

2341
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I'm gonna make it up out

2342
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 1: of here, because I'm thinking, well, we had to drop

2343
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: down almost two thousands. Yeah, so you gotta drop down

2344
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:03,240
Speaker 1: feet after climbing three thousand and then go back up

2345
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:05,880
Speaker 1: with the sheep and I gotta go back and I'm thinking,

2346
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to camp down here, but we don't

2347
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 1: have any tents or anything with us, because it's like

2348
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe you know, we left camp at six and maybe

2349
02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 1: six hours later we summ it like that. That the

2350
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 1: thing I appreciated most about man, and I mean this

2351
02:05:19,320 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 1: from like a guide standpoint. There was no question in

2352
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 1: Mom's mind. Once he saw those once, like he kept

2353
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:29,720
Speaker 1: pushing ahead to scout and look. Once he saw those sheep,

2354
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,000
Speaker 1: there was no question at that point whether he was

2355
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 1: going to get you there or not. He knew it

2356
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, we go down here and you don't

2357
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:37,760
Speaker 1: like keephould we go here here here, and we'll go there,

2358
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 1: and like he was all about it. I was back

2359
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:43,760
Speaker 1: there probably not on those guys are thinking what that

2360
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 1: is far Like I don't know if I would have

2361
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:51,960
Speaker 1: been if I was guiding that time. I was thinking,

2362
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:55,080
Speaker 1: that is a large drop off in a quite a

2363
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:58,280
Speaker 1: bit of chunk a type of ways over there. And

2364
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:02,160
Speaker 1: so for him to be that falsy to make the

2365
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:05,040
Speaker 1: call to do it, um, you obviously have to be

2366
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 1: there to see it. But um, he just you know,

2367
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,320
Speaker 1: and you guys just grabbed. There was not much talk

2368
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 1: about it. He said, you guys stay here, I'll take

2369
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 1: Ben and Raju and we next thing, you know, Raju

2370
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 1: and I and Mom are sliding on our asses down

2371
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:22,000
Speaker 1: an icy cliff, I mean sliding to the point where

2372
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 1: and they were again treating me like a grandma, like

2373
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 1: trying to hold my legs from so I wouldn't flip,

2374
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 1: but we slid a thousand feet down a cliff on

2375
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:34,120
Speaker 1: our butts and now you're wet, and it's like and

2376
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 1: so then after that we got down to the bottom.

2377
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:38,960
Speaker 1: It was a pretty easy traverse up to the point

2378
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:40,880
Speaker 1: where this where. But then we had to go up

2379
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: a big ridge to get to where we could lay

2380
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 1: down in the glasses sheet. And once we got there,

2381
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 1: that's when I knew. We got three fifty yards away,

2382
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 1: That's what I knew. I was like, oh wow, I'm here.

2383
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:57,680
Speaker 1: I came all the way here, and I'm gonna kill

2384
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,880
Speaker 1: this animal, and I knew it at that point I knew.

2385
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:04,160
Speaker 1: I was like it was almost like I started looking

2386
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,200
Speaker 1: back up at you guys who had stayed up in

2387
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 1: the hill, like how are we gonna get this thing

2388
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 1: out of here before you shot it? And then I

2389
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 1: laid you know, mon and I discussed which sheep was which,

2390
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:18,120
Speaker 1: and I laid there and we were waiting for the

2391
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: sheep he's laying down to turn, and I just remember

2392
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,800
Speaker 1: like thinking, being the most calm I had been in

2393
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 1: quite some time, not nervous, no pressure to kill it.

2394
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 1: I knew. I was like I didn't come like I

2395
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't come all this way, and there's no way this

2396
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 1: thing is not going to die right here. It's not happening.

2397
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, it was. He turned in

2398
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: his bed a little bit, stood up, and then laid

2399
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:45,080
Speaker 1: back down to the point where I could get a

2400
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: bullet in him, and one shot and he stood up,

2401
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 1: ran a circle and fell over. And I didn't cheer.

2402
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just put my face down my pack

2403
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: and kind of like cool, soaked it up, soaked it

2404
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 1: up a little bit, and then even getting over to

2405
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 1: the sheep. Now we gotta go down this little icy

2406
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 1: actually this little icy ravine and up over to the

2407
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 1: bench where they were at, and there's another three feet

2408
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:15,080
Speaker 1: and then we gotta go. But I remember the mountain

2409
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 1: to the How would have it would have been to

2410
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:19,520
Speaker 1: the south of us whatever, Yeah, I would have been

2411
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 1: the south because the sun was on. It was the

2412
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 1: most beautiful range I had ever seen. And I sat

2413
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 1: there with the game scout and he tried to explain

2414
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 1: to me that he had a snow leopard trapline. Oh right, yep,

2415
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh my god, that was the

2416
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life, regardless

2417
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 1: of how I got there, and so those moments are special. Man, yep.

2418
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 1: I remember ran a seeing there just being blown away

2419
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 1: that like, wow, it's actually went down. This actually happened,

2420
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:58,720
Speaker 1: Like I cannot believe it. Ben shot as sheep, and

2421
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, and I can honestly say that us three

2422
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:06,839
Speaker 1: had um. I don't think there was any question or mind.

2423
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,320
Speaker 1: The day or two before that, you weren't going you

2424
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,440
Speaker 1: were going home probably on a helicopter, and this was

2425
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:17,160
Speaker 1: not going to happen for you getting your sheep, and

2426
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,440
Speaker 1: so for you to pull through on that, it was

2427
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:23,640
Speaker 1: it was amazing because it was I love those success

2428
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:27,000
Speaker 1: stories with my hunters, showing them what they can do,

2429
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 1: and so for you to pull through and you to

2430
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:34,200
Speaker 1: do that is just amazing for us to see and

2431
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, and no one you know, yeah sure people. Yeah.

2432
02:09:37,480 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it wasn't shown on the on the video you

2433
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 1: guys did um, which I wish that was shown because

2434
02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:46,720
Speaker 1: the adversity and that was it was amazing that you

2435
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 1: you conquered that, you know, and so that was amazing

2436
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 1: in itself, and it was like on our way out,

2437
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 1: I just remember you were like a new man, you know,

2438
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 1: you were just I mean we were just hiking up

2439
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 1: and I just feel like, whoa Ben? I remember, like

2440
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,840
Speaker 1: I remember when I finally was feeling good, right because

2441
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,560
Speaker 1: you got sick and it was a day and then

2442
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 1: you like have a day to kind of day and

2443
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 1: a half. Well, my day and a half was, you know,

2444
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:14,000
Speaker 1: well plus out to six. My day and a half

2445
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 1: was kind of in the ship, right, I had mine,

2446
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 1: and um, I finally felt good. I don't think it

2447
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:22,040
Speaker 1: was because I killed a sheep. I just think it

2448
02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:24,879
Speaker 1: because I finally think the I think the exerted energy

2449
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 1: helped push things through your body quickly, or maybe and

2450
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 1: getting more hydrated, getting some food in you, all the above.

2451
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:32,560
Speaker 1: What do you remember? Like, So we killed the sheep,

2452
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: we go, we do our pictures and all our stuff,

2453
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:38,000
Speaker 1: and then we start hiking back to the summit where

2454
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:42,240
Speaker 1: we saw the sheep from, and I remembered you. It

2455
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:45,320
Speaker 1: was you and Ben Ranan would be good ways ahead

2456
02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:47,320
Speaker 1: of me the whole time, Like you guys would hike

2457
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 1: ahead of me and then stop and I eventually get there.

2458
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 1: You hike ahead of me and stop and I eventually

2459
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:56,480
Speaker 1: get there. The moment when I felt the best was

2460
02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 1: when we got to that summit and we were taking

2461
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 1: pictures and jacking around filming. I finally felt good, like

2462
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 1: I finally felt clear and good and healthy and happy

2463
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:11,440
Speaker 1: and not even killing the sheep, not even getting like

2464
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 1: but getting up that because now I knew we were

2465
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 1: going down into camp and were going down into camp

2466
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:21,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go up anymore for a while. Um.

2467
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 1: And then when we're going down through that valley where

2468
02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:27,040
Speaker 1: we had to post all up, we slid down on

2469
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 1: our butts and I remember sliding down with ben Airs

2470
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 1: like fucking cheering as we went. I think you went

2471
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:35,640
Speaker 1: forward a little bit about us we were and Rogerie

2472
02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:37,960
Speaker 1: was sliding and every we're all sliding on the ice

2473
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:42,200
Speaker 1: and cheering like a fucking roller coaster. And I was like, dude,

2474
02:11:42,200 --> 02:11:46,120
Speaker 1: that those experiences are. It was a spectacular day because

2475
02:11:46,120 --> 02:11:49,440
Speaker 1: I think everyone in camp, everyone was so excited for

2476
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,840
Speaker 1: you that whoa, he did it, like he actually did it.

2477
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:56,600
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you pushing through and doing that, that

2478
02:11:56,760 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 1: showed those guys that anything is possible out there, because

2479
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 1: there are people that show to those camps that cannot

2480
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: do it, they can't make it up the mountain, and

2481
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: so to have those people in camp that they help

2482
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 1: get through those times. That helps the next person to

2483
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 1: the other and it helps, you know, to tell these

2484
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:18,040
Speaker 1: experiences and for them to put in their you know,

2485
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:21,560
Speaker 1: their their memory bank, you know. But well, yeah that

2486
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:24,280
Speaker 1: they you know, the hunt we went on before we had,

2487
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Kodiak hunt. I came out of that thinking, like, man,

2488
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,240
Speaker 1: I did pretty good and then really struggle. I put

2489
02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:31,120
Speaker 1: a hundred pounds of my pack and went four miles.

2490
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 1: We did it. Like I didn't get sick or falling

2491
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:38,240
Speaker 1: the river. You know, I didn't grow up doing stuff

2492
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,200
Speaker 1: that you've you've been doing for many more years than me.

2493
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 1: So for me, these things are monumental. They just are.

2494
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not something fucking a don you know, average

2495
02:12:47,080 --> 02:12:49,880
Speaker 1: height to average build, don't really like these things for

2496
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 1: me are are just more monumental. I'm not afraid to

2497
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 1: say it. I give a ship. I have no ego

2498
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 1: about it. Like, these things for me are just a

2499
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,360
Speaker 1: little bit the mountain a little bit taller than for

2500
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 1: other people. And and like I said, there's other people

2501
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: that can't do things that I can do the same.

2502
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:08,320
Speaker 1: But I've always been quick to realize that these things

2503
02:13:08,360 --> 02:13:10,400
Speaker 1: are beyond the scope of what I ever thought I

2504
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:14,320
Speaker 1: could could do. And so leaving that Kodiak on, I'm like, man,

2505
02:13:16,240 --> 02:13:19,240
Speaker 1: legit you put you had a bar like legit, and

2506
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:21,320
Speaker 1: I hopped over it and I felt good to have

2507
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:23,640
Speaker 1: done it. And then the Paul was like, I wasn't

2508
02:13:23,680 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 1: really sure what the bar was, but I knew it was.

2509
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:26,920
Speaker 1: This is the hardest, but it's kind of a really

2510
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:31,040
Speaker 1: screwed up moving bar and I shipped all over it.

2511
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:36,160
Speaker 1: And then it's like, but that hunt's describes like the

2512
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:37,960
Speaker 1: hardest mount hut in the world. It is hard, and

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02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot, you know, the one really

2514
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 1: you've been to Azuba, John had done those other things. Um, yeah,

2515
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:47,840
Speaker 1: and I think you're right if you were healthy. You

2516
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 1: know that the the the obstacles in Nepal is mainly

2517
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 1: the altitude. Yeah, that's what the obstacle is. It's not

2518
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a gradual client like you don't there

2519
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,839
Speaker 1: some steep places, no doubt about it. But it's mainly

2520
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:06,760
Speaker 1: the altitude. And but there you can be on Kodiak

2521
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: and turn it into the roughest, nastiest physical hunt, like

2522
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:13,680
Speaker 1: chasing goats or deer something up a brushy hillside. In

2523
02:14:13,680 --> 02:14:16,560
Speaker 1: August or September and having to you know, beat your

2524
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 1: way through all that stuff. But I mean, there, I've

2525
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:21,200
Speaker 1: been in so many places around the world where like

2526
02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I've said a new bar of ship here.

2527
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:26,800
Speaker 1: This isn'tbelievable. Yeah, so you're you go through like days

2528
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 1: and days of no footing, no trails. We walked on

2529
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 1: most of our time hiking through Nepal was on old

2530
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:38,200
Speaker 1: but not old. They're rarely fairly new hillside goat trail,

2531
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:42,240
Speaker 1: goat and cheam trails, and so you know, we were

2532
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:44,600
Speaker 1: hiking in high altitude. It was hard, and we hiked

2533
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:46,600
Speaker 1: a long time for a lot for a for a

2534
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:50,400
Speaker 1: few days. But it wasn't like what you do in Kodiak,

2535
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:55,240
Speaker 1: where you've got to beat brush and slog through you know,

2536
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:58,200
Speaker 1: bogs and stuff. We have a footing. So it was

2537
02:14:58,240 --> 02:15:00,520
Speaker 1: hard and just a hard and different way it was.

2538
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely set a new physical bar for

2539
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:06,680
Speaker 1: me um on pushing because when I went up after

2540
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:09,960
Speaker 1: my ram with with Mon, I kind of made the

2541
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:13,040
Speaker 1: mistake of I'm going to stay with man and I

2542
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:15,320
Speaker 1: am going to hike just as hard as these guys,

2543
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:18,360
Speaker 1: not to you know, but just to like, I just

2544
02:15:18,360 --> 02:15:19,880
Speaker 1: felt like that's what I need to do. Well, You're

2545
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,680
Speaker 1: in the hunt that way, and I'm wired that way,

2546
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:27,680
Speaker 1: and and so that day pushed me extremely hard. I've

2547
02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:31,520
Speaker 1: never expanded my lung capacity to that size of like

2548
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:35,120
Speaker 1: just breathing so hard, and and so that day I

2549
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 1: just remember like, wow, I cannot, you know. At the

2550
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:40,000
Speaker 1: end of that day, I was so taxed and spent,

2551
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:43,200
Speaker 1: But it was a different level because yes, I've gone

2552
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:46,440
Speaker 1: through brushier and nastier type of things like on Kodiak

2553
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 1: or cheecats with sheep or whatever. But then I was like,

2554
02:15:49,080 --> 02:15:53,160
Speaker 1: I have never felt like that before. And I what

2555
02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:55,320
Speaker 1: I came away with on that huck because I've always

2556
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: thought about, you know, I'd like to go some of

2557
02:15:57,800 --> 02:16:00,280
Speaker 1: some of these big mountains sometime, you know. But I

2558
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of came away with the feeling, you know, and

2559
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:04,720
Speaker 1: what you know, waking up in the middle of the

2560
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:07,040
Speaker 1: night not being able to breathe very well in camp

2561
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 1: that night. I think you and I both were really

2562
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,880
Speaker 1: uneasy that night and we I remember getting out of

2563
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:15,000
Speaker 1: my tent. I had to because I felt like I

2564
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:18,839
Speaker 1: wasn't getting any air in my tent. But that uneasy feeling.

2565
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:22,600
Speaker 1: It made me think to myself, I'm not so sure

2566
02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:25,240
Speaker 1: that I person really have a big desire to go

2567
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:28,640
Speaker 1: climb on these really big mountains like I just you know,

2568
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:30,680
Speaker 1: and I remember asking, right, honestly, does this ever get

2569
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:32,720
Speaker 1: at me better? Like you guys are so used to this,

2570
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, um, not, I mean it's no, it's

2571
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,200
Speaker 1: really not that comfortable. And the guys that do it

2572
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:41,640
Speaker 1: are just wired differently, and it's kind of like I

2573
02:16:41,640 --> 02:16:44,680
Speaker 1: guess like us. I mean, they just they pushed through

2574
02:16:44,720 --> 02:16:48,160
Speaker 1: it and they're mentally strong and and so for us

2575
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 1: to do these types of hunts no matter where it is,

2576
02:16:51,080 --> 02:16:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds mantola, but it's it's one of

2577
02:16:53,640 --> 02:16:55,680
Speaker 1: those things that I think it just it makes you

2578
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:58,560
Speaker 1: appreciate things in life, getting back to what we talked

2579
02:16:58,560 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 1: about earlier on makes appreciate things in life, coming home

2580
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:06,039
Speaker 1: to a nice, warm home, being there with your family,

2581
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:11,400
Speaker 1: nice cooked meals, good gear, everything in a place like

2582
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 1: you and I were in that case, we were voluntailor

2583
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:17,280
Speaker 1: really there no um. And this is why I think

2584
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:22,520
Speaker 1: military members even think about us like you know, okay

2585
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:28,720
Speaker 1: on a hunt, but like you paid for this, Um,

2586
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:30,600
Speaker 1: I think you put yourself in the thing where you

2587
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 1: the environment is out to get you to a point

2588
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:38,520
Speaker 1: where and you can't turn that off. It's relentless, like

2589
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:41,280
Speaker 1: you can't turn it off. And then the in the

2590
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:43,600
Speaker 1: normal world you can turn it off and you want,

2591
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:46,240
Speaker 1: you can turn like if you're like, man, I'm really

2592
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:48,959
Speaker 1: not feeling it today, I just like to after work,

2593
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and wash them team to stay

2594
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:53,080
Speaker 1: at home. Turn it off. You can turn it off.

2595
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:55,080
Speaker 1: You had sick days, turn it off out there. I

2596
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 1: had sick days, but I couldn't turn it off because

2597
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:01,320
Speaker 1: I either like the chord and get the helicopter to

2598
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:04,879
Speaker 1: come or walk the funk out like, so you can't

2599
02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:07,400
Speaker 1: turn that off. You can't take an easy day out there,

2600
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:09,720
Speaker 1: like you just have to push through it because there

2601
02:18:09,800 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 1: is no other way to be. And that's how those

2602
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 1: guys are. And then the more they push, the more

2603
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:18,280
Speaker 1: they can push, and the next thing they know, they're

2604
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:20,280
Speaker 1: standing in the top everest. You know. I think that's

2605
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:22,400
Speaker 1: how that they described it to me. It's like you

2606
02:18:22,480 --> 02:18:24,400
Speaker 1: keep pushing the next thing you know you're the highest thing,

2607
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,280
Speaker 1: and you just don't think about it why you're pushing,

2608
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:30,320
Speaker 1: because otherwise you'd be like this scary, never mind that

2609
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:36,959
Speaker 1: nowhere and you just never mind the oxygen in my brain. Babies. Anyway,

2610
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:39,959
Speaker 1: we did. This is where we at two hours and

2611
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. Cold Cramer not goodness. We sure rambled on.

2612
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 1: We really did. I hope it was interesting for the

2613
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:49,320
Speaker 1: folks out in the podcast land. He probably was, well,

2614
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:51,440
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I'm then I really appreciate it.

2615
02:18:51,680 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 1: You and I have many more adventures to come, and

2616
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, at some point in time we're gonna do

2617
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 1: an enjoyable trip. No, I'm trying to think of one

2618
02:18:58,600 --> 02:19:01,360
Speaker 1: for you. We've done like several non hunting trips that

2619
02:19:01,400 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 1: were relatively enjoyable. You know. I think what we're gonna

2620
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,240
Speaker 1: do next time is we're gonna blindfold you and then

2621
02:19:07,320 --> 02:19:09,400
Speaker 1: we go and you'll just be like, where are we going?

2622
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:15,680
Speaker 1: Cold Surprise Pakistan. You are at the bottom of the

2623
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:22,000
Speaker 1: ocean and you have diarrhea. How did you make me? Uh? Yep,

2624
02:19:22,560 --> 02:19:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, I don't know why

2625
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 1: Hannah doesn't like me. Well, I will say Hannah told

2626
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:32,520
Speaker 1: me today that she scheduled the photography session that year.

2627
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:37,560
Speaker 1: Us so Cole's Smart Start Start Man he knows how

2628
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:42,040
Speaker 1: to play things. He um for. As a thank you

2629
02:19:42,120 --> 02:19:45,120
Speaker 1: for Hannah, my wife, allowing me to come on these

2630
02:19:45,800 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: great adventures, she bought us a photography package too, because

2631
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:52,039
Speaker 1: he's noticed. You had noticed when we're on our trips,

2632
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:55,080
Speaker 1: I do like to look at photos of my family,

2633
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:57,760
Speaker 1: especially on Nepal, when I was like, I hope I

2634
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,680
Speaker 1: get to see these folks again. Yeah, be nice. Oh here,

2635
02:20:00,840 --> 02:20:04,040
Speaker 1: I enjoy senior little man and and uh telling your

2636
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:07,879
Speaker 1: stories and yeah, yeah, so hopefully, yeah, we're gonna get

2637
02:20:07,879 --> 02:20:11,680
Speaker 1: some photos thanks to your gift of our family that

2638
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:14,000
Speaker 1: I can look at you next. You've always done for me. Well,

2639
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:15,600
Speaker 1: next time I'm shipping my pants with you, that I

2640
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,199
Speaker 1: can look at those photos like, well, we'll have new sponsors.

2641
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:24,000
Speaker 1: It depends felt diapers. Oh god, no, man, I'd like

2642
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 1: to say. I always say, you know, I'm thirty two

2643
02:20:27,480 --> 02:20:31,600
Speaker 1: and you're fifty five. I look like I Thank god.

2644
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:34,160
Speaker 1: My girlfriend thinks they look good with great hair otherwise.

2645
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,640
Speaker 1: But you know, we got a long ways to go

2646
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:41,119
Speaker 1: in this this industry, this world, hunting world. So I'm

2647
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 1: sure they'll be numerous more things that we do that

2648
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,440
Speaker 1: we'll have required two our podcast to unpack them, many

2649
02:20:48,480 --> 02:20:51,400
Speaker 1: many more adventures to come. Thank you, buddy. All right,

2650
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:56,840
Speaker 1: thank you sir. That's it. That is all. Thank you

2651
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:00,720
Speaker 1: Mr Cole Kramer so much for being the guy that

2652
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 1: you are being a part of my life. Truly appreciative,

2653
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 1: and I am also appreciated everyone listening through these first

2654
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,960
Speaker 1: eighteen episodes and coming up to me at events this

2655
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 1: week at Total Archie Challenge, I probably talked to you know,

2656
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty people that have listened to the podcast,

2657
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:20,080
Speaker 1: and each one of you that have come up and

2658
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:23,160
Speaker 1: chatted with me have been respectful. I just wanted to

2659
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:26,120
Speaker 1: to shake hands and talk about this thing we're doing

2660
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 1: called the Hunting Collective, and and that keeps me going,

2661
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:33,480
Speaker 1: that makes me excited about the future, and it's a

2662
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:38,199
Speaker 1: bright future for us here. News regarding that future coming

2663
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:40,640
Speaker 1: up real soon. I won't teach you much more than that,

2664
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:43,119
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, you can go to the Hunting

2665
02:21:43,160 --> 02:21:48,080
Speaker 1: Collective dot com check out articles, videos, other podcasts. The

2666
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:51,240
Speaker 1: last couple were great. We had Adam jan Kee on,

2667
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:56,199
Speaker 1: we had Casey Butler from Hushing, We had Ryan Callahana

2668
02:21:56,280 --> 02:22:00,680
Speaker 1: First Light, Fred Eichler, John Gaye of b h A

2669
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,120
Speaker 1: just a bunch of great conversations with a bunch of

2670
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,360
Speaker 1: great people. Please right in, let us know how you

2671
02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:07,920
Speaker 1: like it, let us know who else we can have

2672
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:13,440
Speaker 1: on and how we can do it better. As always, many, many, many,

2673
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:17,279
Speaker 1: thank you, and we'll see you next time. Bye.