1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: producer Paul decant uh Null is a way for the moment, 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: but will return soon as long as time still works 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: the way that we conventionally understand it. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: are you that makes this stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: to know. And I will get rid of this pun 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: at the very top, because Matt and our super producer 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Paul are already so tired of hearing me say it. 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Today's title is should we be Concerned? Yes, concerned? And 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: for some reason, ce er N is capitalized in that title, 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: and that reason is that we're talking about an organization that, 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: if you are like most human beings on this planet 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: now with an Internet connection, you have heard of CERN. 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: It's an organization that has constructed something that you may 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: have also heard of called the Large Hadron Collider. Yes, yes, sir, 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: the Large Hadron Collider. That's what it's most well known for. 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: It And yeah, that wasn't you know, was it best 22 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: for us to just get that point out? And I 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: think we had to, But I'm also in love with 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: the title. So okay, well, I promise I won't I 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: won't push it too much. Yes, you you probably remember 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: hearing for years now about CERN and the large Hadron Collider, 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and you've probably seen some frankly garbage explanations on mainstream 28 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: news about how that works in non mainstream news and 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: probably in non mainstream news as well. And uh, you 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: have hopefully also checked out some wonderful, in depth explanations 31 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: about what this thing is and what it does, and 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: will address some of that as well. But first we 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: want to establish the certain is responsible for much more 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: than a single, incredibly significant series of experiments. Yeah, it's 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: essentially responsible for the creation of what we know as 36 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: the Worldwide Web, that WWW that you type in sometimes 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: when you're using a computer, you're a lot of times 38 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: not on your phone. Uh, yeah, it did that in right. Yes. 39 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: The Web was originally conceived by Tim Berners Lee, and 40 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: it was developed to meet this demand for automatic information 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: sharing between scientists and universities and institutes around the world. 42 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: Just the thing we always talk about in the past. 43 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: If you're a scientist and you're working on some research, 44 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: you just have your research and what was written down 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: and you have access to and if you can send 46 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: that information that you're working on immediately to everybody else 47 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: and you can get everybody else's changing the game. And 48 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: so this really helped research at the time when it 49 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: had a sort of rarefied or very specific set of 50 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: users and a specific set of desires. And of course 51 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: they all said, we this is great. We should do 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: this with everything, and we should have everyone check it out. 53 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Yeah, it'll be fine, right, and uh, 54 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, now now the Internet is what it is, 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: which is also changing. And I just want to go 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: on record here there's nothing to it today's episode. Uh, 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: and saying that as a personal opinion, any any ideologies 58 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: or politics aside. Uh, the fccs decision to sell the 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: American people down the river is just that a massive 60 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: trail and it's going to be terrible. Yeah. The day 61 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: prior to recording this episode, the FCC voted to strike 62 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: down the net neutrality rules that were put in place 63 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: on to the Obama administration, and that essentially the Internet 64 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: has been functioning on for its the entire existence just 65 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: being open and access to information is just for anybody 66 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: who has a connection. And I would be really curious 67 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: to see whether you or Paul or Noel uh support 68 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: the f c c S. I guess they would call 69 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: it a quote unquote decision for the quote unquote good 70 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: because it's rare that I'm going to be so open 71 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: with an opinion about this thing. But if you, if 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: you have kids, you should be concerned because we often 73 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: hear from organizations around the world about the dangers of 74 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: inequality in an economic sense. But history has proven, and 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: sadly the future will prove that an inequality of access 76 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: to information is at least as dangerous as lack of 77 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: access to the coupon system we practice today. Okay, yeah, sorry, 78 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing like hot takes left right on a good note, Matt. 79 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: When we were looking at some of this background for 80 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: certain it made me recall another another series that you 81 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: and I used to do, Stuff of Genius. Yeah, we 82 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: did do stuff of genius for a while there. We 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: looked at inventors that were lesser known and the cool 84 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: things that they created that have shaped our world and civilization. 85 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, it's an animated show. Yeah, animated 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: on Final Cut Pro seven what photoshop by Matt Mattman 87 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: Frederick mostly Tyler Klang. And if you if you do 88 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: some digging, you can find episodes that Matt did the 89 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: voice work on as well. Right, are they still out there? 90 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: You can find them somewhere. Yeah, they exist. So do 91 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: check out stuff of Genius and let us let us 92 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: know what you think because we had we had a 93 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: lot of fun doing that one. And don't forget the 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: coolest stuff on the planet, which was Matt who don't 95 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: ever search for that? Okay, it's too late. Next, next, 96 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: the first website at CERN, Yes, exactly what you want 97 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: to talk about instead of coolest stuff on the planet. Well, 98 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: next was the computer, right Tim berners Lee, the gentleman 99 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: who was working with CERN. He created this first website 100 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: which was essentially about the web itself. This is how 101 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: you use this service. These are all the things you 102 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: need to do to access other people's documents, how to 103 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: set up your own server. It's like in f a Q. Yeah, exactly. 104 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: It was the world's first website. Yes. So the next 105 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: machine and that is Capital in Little e Capital xpital 106 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: t is still at certain. Isn't that correct? Yeah, really 107 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: cool And uh, it's been there for so long, it's 108 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: really neat that in Certain actually reinstated the website, the 109 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: original first website, to its original address and you can 110 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: go there right now if you want to to check 111 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: it out. Check it out today, folks. And that website 112 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: is info dot c r N dot c H. Check 113 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: it out. And and Paul, what we're talking about that 114 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: is there sort of a retro sci fi music que 115 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: you could throw in perfect he's so good at that, 116 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: you are so good at that, Paul so certain has 117 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: done a ton of things throughout the years. We mentioned 118 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: this already. We talked about the first website, awesome. We 119 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: talked about the collider to large Hadron collider that they 120 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: will get into later. There are other things that they 121 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: discovered through experimentation, things like things that I don't fully 122 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: understand I just to be honest with you, um, things 123 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: like w n Z bosons that I, you know, sure, 124 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I think I kind of understand what that means, but 125 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: not really. And before that, they discovered neutral currents in 126 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: this thing called the gargamel bubble chamber, which sounds like 127 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: a villain of some sort, but you know, that's that's fine. 128 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Gargamel from the Smurfs, right, Gargamel wasn't gargamel bad in 129 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: the Smurfs, The character Gargamell was bad. Yes, Uh, like 130 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Gargamell itself was a heavy liquid bubble chamber detector that 131 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: was operating for nine years in the seventies. It was 132 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: trying to detect neutrinos and anti neutrinos and it found 133 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: neutral currents. And it found neutral currents. Yeah, and of 134 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: course we're we're not physicists, though most people are not 135 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: as it turns out, but we do know that we 136 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: we do have a grasp of some of the experiments 137 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: that CERN has conducted. And what's important to note is 138 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: that it's not just the large hit John Collider. Uh. 139 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: They also created anti hydrogen atoms, which, again, as a 140 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: non physicist, to me that, you know, my thought is, 141 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: why would you do that? Why? Why would you We're 142 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: family shows, so I will say, why would you fuss 143 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: with things that we're fine? You know what I mean? Well, 144 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: because we have to find out Ben, that's what science 145 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: and all this is all about. We just got to 146 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: know um smarter people than I need to know. And 147 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Matt according to numerous people, CERN may be responsible for 148 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: much much much so, much more so, much more, and 149 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: will explore the fact acts surrounding CERN after a word 150 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we're back Matt. Earlier, when we 151 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: were off air, you and I talked about when to 152 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: just explain what CERN was, and you were completely right, 153 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: my old friend. We should have done it at the 154 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: top of the show. I don't, I don't know if 155 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: we're right. I see there's a bit of a an 156 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: elongation that it's just keeping you on the edge of 157 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: your seat, like, what is CERN? It turns out that 158 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: CERN is an acronym for the Council Open polary Chech Nuclear, 159 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: which I am not pronouncing very well. Oa. What does 160 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: that mean in English? It means the European Organization for 161 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: Nuclear Research. And as we as we said before, it's 162 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: most well known for its massive thing called a large 163 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: hadron collider. It is not an ironic name. It's not, 164 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: you know, like a little John sort of moniker. It's 165 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: it's describing a massive particle accelerator. And you, like many people, 166 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, listeners, um demons and angels out there 167 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: in the audience, maybe wondering what the heck is a 168 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: particle accelerator. We're very glad you asked. So. Essentially, it's 169 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: a machine that speeds up with using magnets, giant magnets 170 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that were they're like nineteen hundred tons or more tons. 171 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what. It's huge, these giant magnets, 172 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: they speed up and increase the energy of a beam 173 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: of particles, and they generate these electric fields that accelerate 174 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: these particles. It just basically continue to accelerate them going 175 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: around a large loop, and the magnetic fields that they 176 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: have surrounding kind of the track that they send these 177 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: particles around. It's just it's accelerating them and steering them 178 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: and focusing them down into a tiny little beam and 179 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: then they smash them together. Tight. Yeah, I told you 180 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: about this right have. Accidentally I've been falling into this scene. 181 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: You know how, sometimes words, just as concepts are, are 182 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: mimetic entities of a type, and sometimes slang from the 183 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: past or from a different language just sort of gets 184 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: stuck in your mind like a splinter in your finger. Yeah, 185 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: and so tight has been stuck in my head and 186 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I am trying to tamp it down. But that was 187 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: an excellent explanation that was Okay, I think we got 188 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: through it. So there are a couple of different types 189 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: of these accelerators that have been used and built in 190 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the past. One of them is a linear accelerator or 191 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: a linear accelerator, and that's where a beam of particles 192 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: travels essentially in a straight line. I mean it makes sense, right, 193 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: linear from one end to the other end. Yeah, And 194 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: with these you can have maybe two of them that 195 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: are on either side of this line, and you shoot 196 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: the beams at each other and they hit in the center, 197 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: and that's when you're doing your experimentation, right at that 198 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: center point where they're colliding. Yeah, that makes sense. Then 199 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: you got these circular accelerators like the large hydron collider 200 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: that have this ring essentially a circle of sorts that 201 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: they the particles just travel around this thing, accelerating, accelerating, 202 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: just getting faster and faster and faster and faster. They 203 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: reach a point where it's getting pretty close to stuff 204 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: we would observe with what we believe to be the 205 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: big bang, and they smash them together, and that that 206 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: point of smashing is where they do their major testing 207 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: smash point. Yeah, it's a smash point. It's pretty tight. 208 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: Oh no, I've spread I've spread the my my linguistic 209 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: disease to you, and I apologize. In two thousand and eight, 210 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: speaking of segways, Certain built the large Hadron Colyder. It's 211 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: not only seven kilometers in length. It is a It 212 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: is a circular accelerator, as Matt described earlier. Uh, it 213 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: is also the world's most powerful accelerator as we record 214 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: this now at the very end of it has a 215 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: it has the super conducting magnets, and it has a 216 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: number of other ancillary structures built to accelerate the energy 217 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: of the particles along the way and inside the accelerator 218 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: there are these two high energy beams, particle beams that 219 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: are traveling it close to the speed of light before 220 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: they finally hit one another. It's crazy to think about 221 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: so cool that we could even achieve that it is. 222 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: It's astonishing just to be frank with you and and 223 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: being in since I'm being since here in that point um. 224 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: The beams travel in opposite directions in separate pipes separate 225 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: beam pipes, which is the phrase that Certain uses beam 226 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: beam pipes. The tubes are kept at an ultra high vacuum. 227 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: They're guided around by the magnetic field produced by those 228 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: superconductive magnets. And the electromagnets themselves are built from these 229 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: coils of a cable that virtually conducts electricity without resistance 230 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: or loss of energy. So these are very, very efficient. 231 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: And to make these magnets, these super cool magnets that 232 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: are super cool on several levels, right right, Uh, what 233 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: do you have to do? Well? It has to be 234 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: the environment has to be extremely cold. The magnets themselves 235 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: have to be crazy cold. It requires the magnets ben 236 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: get have two hundred and seventy one point three degrees celsius. Uh, 237 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: that's a temperature colder than outer space. Let's say you're 238 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: on a spacewalk as an astronaut. It is colder in 239 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: these supermagnets, or these these supermagnets are colder than you 240 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: would be if you were standing outside in outer space. 241 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: So two hundred and seventy one degree celsius is about 242 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: five hundred and nineteen point eight degrees fahrenheit. So it's 243 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: minus that minus that, which which is insane but is 244 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the nature of the business in the LHC. I guess 245 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: we can start calling it that now. Yeah, yeah, I 246 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: think we know it well enough that the LHC was 247 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: designed for a couple of different things, but one of 248 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: its primary purposes was to prove the existence of something 249 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: called the Higgs bosun. And I can tell you what 250 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: it is real briefly if you want, Yeah, please you. 251 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: I would love to know. All right, So there is 252 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: the god particle. It has been called the God particle. 253 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: And you and I would hang out and wonder whether 254 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: this would lead to the end of the world because 255 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: we received emails about this plenty. We're going to borrow 256 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: some quotes from an excellent article called what exactly is 257 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the Higgs Boson available at how stuff works dot com 258 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: by an author named Jonathan at Mary. So to understand 259 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: what the Higgs boson is, we need to examine the 260 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: theories describing the way the cosmos works. And we'll call 261 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: it the standard model. Also not an ironic name. Sounds good. 262 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: So here's the gist of the standard model when it 263 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: comes to us comes to our species around the early 264 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. The idea is that the entire universe, everything 265 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, and everything you or your friends will ever encounter, 266 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: or your ancestor or your descendants. Capitally, everything is ultimately 267 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: made up of twelve different sorts of particles of matter 268 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: and four forces. In the twelve particles, you will encounter 269 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: six things called quarks and six things called leptons. Quarks 270 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: are what comprise protons and neutrons, while the things we 271 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: call leptons include electrons and the electron neutrino. Scientists think 272 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: that you cannot break leptons and quarks into smaller particles. 273 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: So far, so we've got those twelve particles, and then 274 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: we have four forces that sort of captain planet together 275 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: to make the universe run. Yeah, and that's gravity, which 276 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: you're probably aware of going up and going down, but 277 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: there's more to it than that electromagnetic force that's what 278 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: you see in magnets. Then you've got strong and weak forces, 279 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: and these are more of the nuclear forces, um that 280 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: have to do with the way adams interact. It gets 281 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: a little intense when you're getting down into those forces 282 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: and trying to truly understand them. And that's why being 283 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: a particle physicist is a high paying job and a 284 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: demanding one, right and a very important one. So we've 285 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: got those, let's let's focus on those four fundamental forces. 286 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Scientists believe that each of those forces the mat just named, 287 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: have a corresponding carrier particle, which they call a boson 288 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: b O, S, O, N, that acts upon matter. And 289 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: there's a cool analogy in here. Some physicists have described 290 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: to bosons as weights anchored by mysterious rubber bands to 291 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: the matter particles that generate them. So we can think 292 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: of particles constantly snapping back out of existence in an instant, 293 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: yet equally capable of becoming entangled with other rubb or 294 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: bands attached to other boson's. Yeah, this is easy to 295 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: understand stuff. I feel like you're I guess this is 296 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's very It's just difficult stuff to wrap 297 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: your head around. That's all because they were also describing 298 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: the movement of matter through the universe rights and the forces, 299 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: the forces acting upon that matter, and the rules of 300 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: the road for those forces. If they are like chess 301 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: pieces that can only move in certain directions. Yes, yes, 302 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: so that's what they're looking for. And they've been trying 303 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: to do this for a while, right, Yes, they have been. 304 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Let's travel all the way back to nineteen fifty three, 305 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: to the sixth section the sixth session of the Certain Council, 306 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: which took place in Paris, m from June twenty nine 307 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: to July one. The convention established the organization was signed. 308 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: They were subject to ratification by twelve different states. That 309 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: can mention was gradually ratified by the founding member states. 310 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: We're talking Belgium, Denmark, France, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, Italy, 311 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Yugoslavia 312 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: and your Slavia. So one one thing that's interesting about 313 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: this is that conspiracy theories or or fringe researchers see 314 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: this international cooperation as very strong, circumstantial evidence. That's something. 315 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Oh I was going to say that something's rotten in Denmark, 316 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: but Shakespeare side, that doesn't imply. But that's the you know, 317 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: some people distrust that level of geopolitical cooperation. Yeah, so 318 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: many different governing entities having their hands in this, got it? 319 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Or you know, it could just be humans working together 320 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: to do the coolest experiments possible. I really appreciate that point, Matt, 321 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: and I hope that's the case. I was just going 322 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to argue that it was probably two weeks spensive for 323 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: each of those countries to afford on their own. But yeah, 324 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: shadowy cabral interested scientists, vultronning together, everybody figuring out how 325 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: to foot the bill. Regardless. On the seventeenth of May 326 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: and nineteen fifty four, they first broke Earth and Geneva 327 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: officials were watching members of the Certain staff we're watching. 328 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: Construction continues until September of the same year and CERN 329 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: officially comes into being located there in Switzerland. And today 330 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: you can find CERTAIN. It's still the same place. You 331 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: can view it on Google Earth. It's gigantic. It's based 332 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: in a suburb near Geneva on the border between France 333 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: and Switzerland. And currently it has twenty two members eights. Uh. 334 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: The United States is not a full member of CERN. Nope, 335 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: Israel is the only non European full member of CERN. 336 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: It has expanded from twelve to twenty two members states. 337 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: And in addition to the large hydron collider, these physicists, 338 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: that these engineers, some of the smartest people in the world, 339 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: are probing the fundamental structure of the universe. Yeah, they're 340 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: they're studying the basic the basic pieces of matter, the 341 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: things that are the building blocks that create this table 342 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: and these hands handsund Yeah, it's it's like we said, 343 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: we keep reiterating, it's incredibly cool. They're talking about colliding 344 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, particles. That's what they do. They hang around 345 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: all day, they speed up particles to the speed of 346 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: light almost, and they smash them together and they see 347 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: what happens. Because without this sort of technology, physicists would 348 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: ultimately be participating in thought experiments, right. Yeah, And a 349 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: lot of it still is thought experiments that they're trying 350 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: to prove one way or the other by to to 351 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: transform a guess into observable science. Right. And one of 352 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: the really interesting things that you noted earlier, Matt as 353 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: you said, this is for me where science becomes magic. 354 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: This is like my Arthur C. Clerk threshold. Without directly 355 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: observable science at the very edges of theoretical science, what 356 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: what we encounter is is very close to mysticism or 357 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: or articles of faith. If you're a world expert on something, 358 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: your best guests automatically becomes leading theory exactly and at 359 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: is ultimately what they're testing at certain it's the fundamental 360 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: laws of nature that govern all matter and all existence, 361 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of these are you know, they're testable 362 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: and provable to a certain extent, but then when you 363 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: get deeper and deeper and deeper down into the sub 364 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: atomic and then even deeper levels, it's harder to know 365 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: what is real and what's not. And that's why certain 366 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: is so important. Furthermore, that's why certain from many people 367 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: it's so frightening. Yes, get into something a little stranger 368 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor that I have to 369 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: ask you because you and I were working together years 370 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: and years ago when a lot of news about the 371 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: large Hadron collider and the search for the Higgs boson 372 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: popped up in the mainstream. Well, what was your experience 373 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: like hearing that news? And as we were learning about 374 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: this around the time, the website dig was pretty big, 375 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: and I would go there all the time and they 376 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: would have updates essentially UM, and I would watch news 377 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: conferences that were live with updates from cern about you know, 378 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: they're getting the UM. The LHC is preparing to run 379 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: some tests, but they're having some issues with some of 380 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: the magnets. UM, let's see. I would watch with bated 381 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: breath with some of these press conferences where they're going 382 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: to announce something, and nothing came for a long time, 383 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, nothing official about the Higgs boson um. But 384 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: then when it did, I think it's still so out 385 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: there beyond my understanding that it's hard for me to 386 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: wrap my head around it. But I remember being excited 387 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: knowing that we at least had a better grasp on 388 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: whatever this field is, this Higgs field that connects all matter. 389 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: That made me really excited. Yeah, and it's it's amazing 390 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: too believe that something some of the most intelligent people 391 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: in the world have been essentially guessing at for so 392 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: long turned out to be a real thing. There's this 393 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: sort of um once the phrase used bated breath. Yeah, 394 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: I think that perfectly encapsulates it, because you know, there's 395 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: this there's this immense relief that every person encounters when 396 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: it turns out that the universe obeys something we can 397 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: understand for a moment, because there's a certain amount of 398 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: certainty that you can get from that. But you know, simultaneously, 399 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: as we're reading about this, we're hearing about it. Updates 400 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: are coming, we're also making this show, the video portion 401 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: of this show at this time, and we are you know, 402 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: we are getting letters We're getting people tweeting at us 403 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: and everything, telling us about all of the things that 404 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: CERN is doing and the large Handron collider that are 405 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: going to essentially and humanity or destroy the planet in 406 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: some way or at least cause havoc. Right, yes, So, 407 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: Over the years leading to and after its construction, certain 408 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: became the subject of numerous strange rumors, conspiracy theories, and 409 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: some would argue, uh, legitimate worries. So what gives. I 410 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: remember several of the several of the things we received, 411 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: many of which were very in depth, and one of 412 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: the ones that you brought up recently we were doing 413 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: research for this episode was the story of the time 414 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: traveling Sabbature. Oh yeah, so okay, in the days leading 415 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: up to the first proof of the Higgs boson, which 416 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: is two thousand twelve the exact date. Yeah, you can 417 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: find it, but we uh. I remember reading that there 418 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: were a lot of issues with the collider itself. There 419 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: was some malfunctioning occurring. I think there was something with birds, 420 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it when I looked again, but 421 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I thought something occurred with birds. They started, uh, they 422 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: started speaking Aramaic and their eyes were bleeding. That was 423 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: the major part of it. But but there were there 424 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: are a bunch of small issues that were occurring, and 425 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: then parts of the collider, parts of the magnet, one 426 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: of the magnets wouldn't function correctly, so they kept putting 427 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: off and putting off and putting off the ability to 428 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: actually do this testing and then run all of the 429 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: diagnostics on the testing that you need to analyze the 430 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: data that you get back, because that's where you actually 431 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: find out if you found the Higgs Boson particle. Right, Yeah, 432 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: when the experiments are happening, when it's end media arrests, 433 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: they have no I mean, you can tell if things 434 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: are working, yes, but it takes some rigorous analysis afterwards 435 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: to find what you found. Supercomputers to go all right, 436 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at all this data for a couple 437 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 1: of months. Yeah. Um. But as we're saying, the idea 438 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: was that perhaps there was some time traveler who had 439 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: come back to two thousand, two thousand twelve to sabotage 440 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: the large Hadron collider because it's something terrible was going 441 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: to happen in the immediate future because of these experiments. 442 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: So this benevolent time traveler traveler just sabotaged the magnets. 443 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: He brought some birds in, apparently to mess things up, 444 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: the weird birds that speak languages they shouldn't know, having 445 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: fun with I gotcha, I'm following you. Well. The the 446 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: idea there is is fascinating because it's one of the 447 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: biggest tropes of time travel, the belief that um, someone 448 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: would come from a possible future to prevent that future 449 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: occurring in the various ways in which that quickly becomes 450 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: a mind boggling paradox. Stephen King has a novel called 451 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: in which a character attempts to This is not much 452 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: of a spoiler. A character attempts to prevent the assassination 453 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: of President Kennedy because he's stuck in a time loop 454 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: on that day, or he's chosen to enter a time 455 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: loop accidentally, and he's just the groundhog days the assassination essentially, 456 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: so he has one. One thing that really stuck out 457 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: for me in the in the concept or the language 458 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: of the book, is the phrase the past is obdurate, 459 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: meaning that in in the book it is or in 460 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: this universe, in this story, it is possible to make 461 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: small changes, right. We can we can put a coffee 462 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: cup on the left side of a desk versus the right, 463 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: and the world spends as will. But that to enact 464 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: a larger change, like causing or preventing the death of 465 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: a of a person who for a moment was a 466 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: hinge upon which humanity human civilization swung, that becomes a 467 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: bigger order, uh much larger bag of badgers, and it 468 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: is either impossible or incredibly dangerous to do so. So 469 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: with that kind of internal logic, which again I'm completely 470 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: plagiarizing from a completely fictional book. Um in this in 471 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: this internal logic, then if a time traveler is attempting 472 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: to prevent something incre reredibly important, whether incredibly good incredibly bad, 473 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: then it would be a huge shift and it would 474 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: be a problem. But then we also have to think, 475 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: if somebody had the benefit of retrospect, right, couldn't they 476 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: travel back to the nineteen fifties and prevent Scern from 477 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: being built. That's probably smarter, you know, but somebody was 478 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: going to build it at some point. I mean, you've 479 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: prevented that one. You gotta think maybe a group of 480 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: scientists here in the United States, working with Canada and Mexico, 481 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: created our version of the LHC. We almost did, didn't we? Yeah? Yeah, 482 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: but but you know it's tough. It's that whole weird 483 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: butterfly fact thing where somebody, and especially the idea of 484 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: science itself, somebody somewhere is going to try it. And 485 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: if we if we treat this as a thought experiment, 486 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: one thing that is baffling and and and look, let's 487 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: be honest, most most people nowadays do not believe in 488 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: some sort of physical on linear time travel. Right. But 489 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing, whether you believe in this idea or not. 490 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: The weirdest and for me, most disturbing aspect of this 491 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: entire concept is that if a time traveler did change something, 492 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: we would have no idea because our reality would just 493 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: move along. It may have already happened numerous times, right, 494 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: And you and I feel like we have been doing 495 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: this show together for a number of years, But have 496 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: we Who was actually sitting here before the timeline changed? Oh? Dude, 497 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was me, But 498 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: but was it? I don't know? Oh? Oh wait, who's that? 499 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: Oh it's just Paul. Okay, you're staring Matt Is. Matt 500 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: is staring at super producer Paul seeing if he can 501 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: get a reaction from him. Did you get what I 502 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: was looking at? You? Like, Paul, he's got that poker face. 503 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: Wow that Oh well, we've got eyebrow lifted. All right, 504 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna move on. I am still paying 505 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: for that punt at the top. Full disclosure. Our Christmas 506 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: holiday party was last night, so all of us, you know, 507 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: we we got down. So yeah, this morning we're recording this. 508 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: We're all a little loopy. I think I think that's 509 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: all right. We're having a good time in here, especially Paul, 510 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: he's having the best time. So speaking of time travel, Uh, 511 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: John Tetur, if you are listening, please feel free to 512 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: clue us in on what may or may not be 513 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: happening at certain if there's any non linear time travel involved. 514 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: And John t Door, since you are one of the 515 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: most famous alleged time travelers in our day and age, 516 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: we would love to invite you to our holiday party 517 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: that occurs yesterday. Oh, there were some people I didn't 518 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: know there. Yeah, there were a lot of people I 519 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't know there. I guess they're wearing it disguys for 520 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: that thing. Uh, this is just this is just one 521 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theories or fringe beliefs about certain other stuff. 522 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, is even stranger. One story involves 523 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: human sacrifice. Yeah. A video showed up online in of 524 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: what appeared to be human sacrifice occurring in the Geneva 525 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: facility of certain Um. It looked like some kind of 526 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: occult ritual. Um, there was a mock human sacrifice that occurred. 527 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: You can watch the video. You can see at least 528 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: parts of it online. The Guardian has a great rite 529 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: up on it if you just type some of those 530 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: search words in. Um, it looks like a woman gets 531 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: stabbed by these people wearing rock cloaks, black robes, and 532 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: it's conducted in front of a large statue of Eva, 533 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: the Hindu deity. Yeah. Um, it looks intense, let's say that. 534 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: But according to the Guardian and some of the sources 535 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: they used, it appears to be at least not genuine, 536 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: like nobody actually got hurt. It appears to be just 537 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: some people goofing around. At least that's the official thing. Yeah, 538 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: and Bohemian Grove is just a summer camp. Yeah right, 539 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: uh huh, yeah, I'm sure and sure that's what a 540 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: spokesperson for Bohemian Grove has said, Okay, look, this was 541 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: probably a prank. Bohemian Grove is real. Uh, these a 542 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: Certain spokeswoman told UH told the French press agency that 543 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: this these scenes were filmed on our premises, but without 544 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: official permission or knowledge. Certain does not condone this type 545 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: of spoof, which can give rise to misunderstandings about the 546 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: scientific nature of our work. Yeah, and it should be 547 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: known that the people responsible for pulling the prank did 548 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: have access badges, so they were there. It's not like 549 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: they didn't have permission to be on the campus. So 550 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: people who really did work at Certain at least faked 551 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: a human sacrifice. Yes, that's that's true. Yes, right, at 552 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: the very least they faked it for somebody's music video 553 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: or student film. I'm assuming I would like to see 554 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: the final product. Or they stab some Yep, yep, that's 555 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: what she into. Two things pretty much. Here's another one. Earthquakes. Yeah, 556 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: manufactured earthquakes, not purposely manufactured. But but I mean, let's 557 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: say accidentally man made. Right. Yeah. The idea is that 558 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: perhaps the LHC is causing earthquakes unbeknownst or it's like 559 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: a side it's a side effect of some of the 560 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: LHC testing that the scientists didn't expec The idea came 561 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: from a couple of different places, including a YouTube channel 562 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: called bp earth Watch. So CERN had an experiment called Awake, 563 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: and it was exploring the use of plasma as an 564 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: accelerant for particles, right to send particles over a distance 565 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: and have them retain high energy right under accelerate particles 566 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: to high energies over a distance, and one of the 567 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: experiments involved sending plasma from the LHC underground for two 568 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: fifty miles to the Grand Sasso Nuclear Physics Laboratory in Italy. 569 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: And for people who believe this theory, well, the argument 570 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: is this that CERNS experiments, specifically Awake, sending plasma right 571 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: underground through these long distances somehow triggered earthquakes of varying 572 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: strength and significance. The argument here it seems to dwell 573 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: on their interpretation of maps essentially, and it's not it's 574 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: not completely out of bounds, because we do know, for instance, 575 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: that at HARP before HARP shut its doors and they 576 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: were exciting the ionosphere, right, so we do know that 577 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: there can be large scale effects. But you know, if 578 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: but if people are causing earthquakes. Here's the first question 579 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: anybody would ask if they were being skeptical. If people 580 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,959 Speaker 1: found out they were doing something that was causing earthquakes, 581 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: why the hell would they do it? Surely they wouldn't 582 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: keep doing it. Yeah, there's there's no way that people 583 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: who manufacture earthquakes and know that they're doing it, we 584 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: keep doing it. The motive is just not there. Yeah, 585 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: the motive is not there. I mean you you wouldn't 586 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: continue testing nuclear weapons underground if it caused earthquakes. Oh 587 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, that totally does it. That is true. Yeah, 588 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: that's a good point because in the DPRK a k 589 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: A North Korea, underground nuclear testing does in fact cause earthquakes. 590 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and another example would be, you know, if 591 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: you were shooting some kind of hydraulic mixture of chemicals 592 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: into the ground to break up the rocks so you 593 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: could get more oil out. Uh, and it just happened 594 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: to cause earthquakes, you wouldn't do that anymore. Oh fracking, Yeah, 595 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: that's right, we're doing that too. Oh my gosh, I 596 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: guess we're causing like two two versions of man made earthquakes. 597 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: So the idea that certain would be causing earthquake, while 598 00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: not scientifically valid, is not outside the realm of ridiculous 599 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: actions by human beings. You know what feels a bit 600 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: outside that realm, but is so awesome. I want it 601 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: to be true that that same experiment that was being 602 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 1: performed at LHC awake, perhaps it was creating a portal, 603 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: or the whole point of it was to create a 604 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: portal to another dimension and or a wormhole across the universe. 605 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: How cool would that be? Because there are a lot 606 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: there are several YouTube channels that you can find videos 607 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: of people purporting that that's what occurred. There's some videos 608 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: of intense storms occurring above the LHC with just intense 609 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: lightning going on, and uh. The belief there is that 610 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: they opened a portal either to the underworld i e. Satan, 611 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: or just to you know, an extraterrestrial planet somewhere sort 612 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: of like upside down. Yeah, a dimension slightly tilted to 613 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: the left. Man. Yeah, that's cool, man, sign me up. 614 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I'll go to another dimension. I'll go I'll go to 615 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: the missed world in that other Stephen King's story. I'll 616 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: badly travel to the upside down the Missed world seems 617 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: pretty scary. I don't think I would last long um 618 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: where I'd give it a go. All right, yeah man, 619 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,280 Speaker 1: yeah man, here for a good time, not a long time. Okay, 620 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: explain something to me. Does the Missed and this is 621 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of a spoiler, and just stop listening if you 622 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: don't want to. We're past the statute man, just five 623 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: years established that. So in the mist is it an 624 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: actual dimension that's being breached or that is coming into 625 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: our dimension? Or is it just something that affects the mind. 626 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: Because I started watching the show that's based on The 627 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: Missed and it seems to have a completely different understanding 628 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: of what it is than what I thought it was. 629 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: I believe the answer is found in the problem a 630 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: lot of producers have when they're adapting something to television, right, 631 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: which is inevitably, if a show runs long enough, it 632 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: dilutes into a soap proper esque sort of thing about 633 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: people's relationships. Yeah, oh, walking Dead, right? Walking Dead is 634 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: like a soap opera where everybody says everyone else's name 635 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: five times in a paragraph, and occasionally a zombie shows 636 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: up and you know they're Look, there are a lot 637 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: of people who love the show, and I think zombies 638 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: are really cool monsters in Atlanta and Atlanta. Yes, yeah, 639 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: this is a hometown show and there's some amazing acting 640 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: and it is just not for me. But I think 641 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: that's why the mist happens there. And to answer your question, 642 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: in the story, the miss, there's a thing. Somebody correct 643 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: me right in and correct me if I'm if I 644 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: get this wrong, But there's a there's a secret government project, right, 645 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: maybe Project Arrowhead or something. It's rather vague. And what 646 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: they ultimately do is they open a hole into this 647 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: dimension from which this mist pours out, and the mist 648 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: sort of functions as the natural environment for the creatures 649 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: from this dimension, which are all aggressive and kind of 650 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: dumb and monstrous and they hate you. And some of 651 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: them are huge, yes, and some are in like the 652 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: size of a large dinosaur. It's so cool. Okay, it's 653 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: cool too. I'm sorry I started to get into much 654 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: of that. But the thought of that occurring because of 655 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: the LHC, I think I wonder if that picture gets 656 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: overlaid sometimes for people they imagine something like that occurring 657 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: at l AC. Yeah, exactly. There's there's this other idea 658 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: that you introduced me to about asteroids, that the LHC 659 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: could generate a magnetic field that could somehow pull an 660 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: asteroid towards Earth if the iron content of the rock 661 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: was high enough. Yeah, this one doesn't hold much water, 662 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: just because of the science involved and how strong of 663 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: an electromagnetic field you know, is actually being created at 664 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: the LHC, and how strong that would have to be 665 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: to have any effect on anybody that's you know, outside 666 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: of our atmosphere. However, one thing that really could happen, Oh, 667 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: the one thing. Black holes, Black freaking holes, the scariest 668 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: thing that exists in our universe in my opinion, the 669 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: LHC could legitimately, in theory, produce miniature black holes, which 670 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: miniature which still function as black holes. Uh. And scientists 671 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: readily admit this. Yes, we've got a statement from a 672 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: CERN spoke sman and this comes from Express dot code 673 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: dot UK quote. Although powerful for an accelerator, the energy 674 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: reached in the LHC is modest by nature's standards. Cosmic rays, 675 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 1: particles produced by events in outer space, collide with particles 676 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: in the Earth's atmosphere at much greater energies than those 677 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: of the LHC. These cosmic rays have been bombarding the 678 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: Earth's atmosphere as well as other astronomical bodies. Since the 679 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: bodies were formed with no harmful consequences, these planets and 680 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: stars have stayed intact despite these higher energy collisions over 681 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: billions of years. The LHC will not generate black holes 682 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: in the cosmological sense. However, some theories suggests that the 683 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: formation of tiny quantum black holes maybe possible. The observation 684 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: of such an event would be thrilling in terms of 685 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: our understanding of the universe and would be perfectly safe unquote. 686 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: So don't you feel better because because you know, there 687 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: are other people who argue that the risk of operating 688 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: the LHC disproportionately outweighs anything um any benefits science might 689 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: gain from experiments. And this is from another spokesperson for 690 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: now fit's called lc Defense dot org. It is not 691 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: possible to know what the outcome of the experiments will be, 692 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: but even certain scientists concede there's a real possibility of 693 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: creating destructive theoretical anomalies such as miniture black holes. Right 694 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: and for people who are concerned about this, uh, they 695 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 1: believe these events have the potential to fundamentally alter matter 696 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: and destroy the planet because a miniature black hole would 697 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: be trapped in Earth's gravitational field and over seconds to 698 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: hours interact acquire more mass, and if the theoretical process 699 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: of hockey and radiation doesn't work as predicted or as 700 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: quickly as predicted, than the black hole might stick around. 701 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: The thing that people say is if these theoretical tiny 702 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,919 Speaker 1: entities quantum black holes were created, they would wink out 703 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: of existence almost instantaneously to human observers. Yeah, you don't. 704 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: You would pretty much only know by observing the data afterwards. Um, 705 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: And you know, it is really interesting. Certain scientists say 706 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: that this kind of miniature black hole or quantum black 707 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: hole could have effects on other dimensions, which sounds really 708 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,280 Speaker 1: interesting to me. So even though it's only a blipment 709 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: of existence in our three dimensional world, well I guess 710 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,320 Speaker 1: four dimensions with time, but it could have effects further 711 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: on the dimensional scale, which is fascinating, especially if you 712 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: think about, you know, multiverse theory with the idea that 713 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,280 Speaker 1: there we exist on a plane much like a piece 714 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: of paper. Thinking all these pieces of paper stacked together, 715 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: and you create a quantum black hole in the top 716 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,720 Speaker 1: piece of paper, let's just say that's where we exist. 717 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: Some first, somehow that quantum black hole would go all 718 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: the way through or at least some of the way 719 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,240 Speaker 1: through the rest of the papers that are stacked up together, 720 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: So you could cause a disturbance theoretically across all of 721 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: the multiverse. Which sounds like a bad idea. It sounds 722 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: like a strange idea. It uh. It gets us to 723 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: where today's episode concludes. Because old friend, we are on 724 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: the bleeding edge of science, and right now as we 725 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: record this, it's coming out in eighteen but we're at 726 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: the very end the twilight hour of and we know 727 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: that discoveries are being made, right, they're being worked towards 728 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 1: that will fundamentally change our understanding of the universe and 729 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: possibly our understanding of our own inner workings. And at 730 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: this point it is something you're telling me off air. 731 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: It's all theoretical, yeah, the good, the bad, it's all 732 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: theoretical on those tiny, tiny scales that we can barely observe. 733 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: And all we can do is try and discover more 734 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: by experimenting. And I think that's the right way to go. 735 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: We just, I would say, just humans, we have to 736 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: be very, very careful of that doing it because we 737 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: can rather than we need to understand. It's just so 738 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: dangerous that some of that's in those levels. It feels 739 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: so dangerous. Yeah, you know, and I I respect where 740 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: you're coming from, but you know that I'm fundamentally different 741 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,760 Speaker 1: in that regard, and maybe that's why we get along 742 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: so well. So we are going to call it a day. 743 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: Yet again, we have recorded an episode without the world 744 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: ending in this timeline, at least, the strangest things we 745 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,439 Speaker 1: have discovered are that miniature black holes are a real 746 00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 1: thing that cern can create that is not hogwash. Uh, 747 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: that people do manufacture earthquakes and everybody's just pretending that's 748 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: a normal thing. It is not, and it's terrible. It's 749 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: worth the future. Historians will see it on the same 750 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 1: level as people committing human sacrifice because they're afraid the 751 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: sun won't go up. Money is a religion, so we 752 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: also know, speaking of human sacrifice, that people who worked 753 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,760 Speaker 1: at certain are at least doing some weird theater stuff. 754 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: And the thing again that I find most bizarre about 755 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: this is if there were a time traveling saboture or 756 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 1: group of saboteurs, we would have no idea. So what 757 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 1: do you think of the experiments going on at certain Yes? 758 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: And why do you think it's become this subject of 759 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: such strange accusations over time? Is it just because of 760 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: the curiosities and the unknowns for minds like myself which 761 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: don't fully grasp what's going on? Or is it because 762 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: there really is something going on a little a little 763 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: fuzzy is yeah? Is certain creating fuzzy timelines? Right? Is 764 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect just a ripple of cern the guys 765 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: over there again? Yes? Yeah, you know Paul? Okay, you 766 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: remember me? Right? My name is Phil, Yeah, I know, Billy. 767 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: We've been working together for years making sure well, Mike 768 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: and I are going to call it a day, all right, 769 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in. Everybody. We hope 770 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: that you are having a wonderful start to new your 771 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: new year, and we'd like to hear from you. We 772 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 1: especially if you are a physicist. We would love to 773 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: hear your best analogy for the Higgs Boson and the 774 00:53:54,520 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 1: way Boson's function upon these forces. Right, And you can 775 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,360 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram, You can find us on Twitter, 776 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 1: you can find us on Facebook. 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