1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go, Here we go on the 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Giants Mobile. Let him in, Let's Go, part of the 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Giants podcast Network. Welcome to another edition of the Giants 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Huttle podcast. I'm John Schmulk. It's all brought to you 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: by psc and Energy Efficiency For game time and anytime, 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: visit PSEG dot com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: home energy assessments in this week's Giants Huddle. Is the 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: b reporter for the athletic for the New York Football Giants, 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Dan Dug and Dan. What's going on? Man? Good to 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: see you, Good to see you. John feels like we're, 12 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, just getting back from Philadelphia a couple weeks ago, 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: and now we're already turning the page to the off 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: seas happens fast. Huh, Yeah, it goes fast. There really 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: is no offseason anymore. And even though the Combines come in, 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: which is gonna be a lot of draft talk, Dan, 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: I have a feeling most of the discussion out there 18 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: around the Giants is gonna be around free agency. We've 19 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: seen all the news over the past week or so 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: with reports conjecture Daniel Jones switching agents, how does that 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: affect say Quan, Why don't you kind of put that 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: into a little package for me and then we'll dive 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: into it a little bit deeper. Yeah, all right, it's 24 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: where to begin. Um. But yeah, so it's definitely not 25 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: all long. We knew this is gonna be a very 26 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: interesting offseason. The fact that you had say Quon and 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones hitting for AG at the same time. If 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: you just had one of them, it really wouldn't be 29 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: that complicated because you know, you have the tag in 30 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: your back pocket and you hope to work on a 31 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: long term deal. If you don't, you tag them. Um. 32 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: The fact that kind of these dual negotiations with high 33 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: you know high stakes and you know, high profile players 34 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: makes it really interesting. So I mean, I guess we'll 35 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: start with Daniel Jones. I mean, he's he definitely Priority 36 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: one A and Joe Shane hasn't run from that fact. 37 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's the quarterbacks. They want to get a 38 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: deal done with him. So I need to tell you 39 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: the dates. But obviously Mark seventh is when the franchise 40 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: tag deadline, um, you know, kicks in. So they have 41 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: to get a long term deal done by that or 42 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: you have to swim. They'll tag and they're not gonna 43 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: just like let him test the marker. You can't put 44 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: that position in limbo like that. So you know, Mark 45 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: seventh is gonna be a huge date. We're gonna be 46 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, speaking about that a lot over the next 47 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, week and a half hour long until we 48 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: get to that point. But so with Daniel Jones, if 49 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: they get something done with him, and then it makes 50 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: the sake on Barkley's situations simply because you still will 51 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: have the tag at their disposal. The problem really becomes 52 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: if they can't get a long term deal with Daniel 53 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Jones done and they have to tag him, now would 54 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: we do at sa Que? Because then it's either he 55 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: accepts your offer or he says, you know what the 56 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: thirty one other teams out there will let me see 57 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: what I can find elsewhere. So that's where I think 58 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: gets really interesting. Daniel Jones is the first domino, and 59 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: if that falls, I think it's you know, kind of 60 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: a clean process. If they can't work something with him, 61 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: has to tag him, that's when things get a little spicier. Well, 62 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: what's your feel based on everything you're reporting, what you're hearing, 63 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: the chances that they can get something done long term 64 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: with Daniel before that tag deadline. Yeah, I mean that's 65 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: a tough one because obviously, as you mentioned, you change agents, 66 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to even get a feel for, 67 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, where things stand. You know, numbers have been 68 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: thrown around, and I will say this, like I think 69 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: people will react to these things because let's just you know, 70 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: look at it in a vacuum, and the Giants have 71 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: the tag, as we said, in their back pocket. That's 72 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars. So if Daniel Jones wants to 73 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: get let's just say thirty eight, like that might be 74 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: like where both sides end up being comfortable. He can't 75 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: come in at thirty eight. He has to come in high. 76 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: So if you know the forty five million dollars figure, 77 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: it's out there. I mean, look, Kyla Murray, his draft 78 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: class hasn't won any playoff games. I'm obviously a staff 79 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: may even better. But you know, you could look at 80 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: him if you're Dana Jones, He's getting forty six million year. 81 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: Why am I settling for you know, ten less than 82 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: him or eight less? Than him, So you start there, 83 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: the giants are starting the other end, and again it's 84 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: a negotiation you hope to meet somewhere in the middle. 85 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: And of course you know it's not just the average 86 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: annual value you got the how long is it? Which 87 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: I think is gonna interesting with Jones more than some 88 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: other guys. I think for the team, you would like 89 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: it to be a long term deal because then you 90 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: can spread the cap charges around. But then how long 91 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: are you actually committing to him? Because there might be 92 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: a feeling let's get give ourselves an out year in 93 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: a year or two, and if you do a long 94 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: five year deal usually you know pretty much lock him 95 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: for three years, so they have to weigh that as well. 96 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: So where do I think today, how do I think 97 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: this plays out? Again, It's it's really kind of in 98 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: the dark, because again, you know, I couldn't even talk 99 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: to his agents that I wanted to. We just found 100 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: out today who they actually are as we're recording this. 101 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: But I think it probably ends in a tag and 102 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: then listen, the tag isn't binding. You know, they could 103 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: still work out a deal, and I think, really what happens? 104 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, deadlines always drive business in this league, and 105 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: if you will, call a couple of years ago, Leonard 106 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Williams got tagged for a second time and then they 107 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: came to a long term agreement like a week later, 108 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: right when free agency was about to start, or you know, 109 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: the tampering periods start or whatever it may be. Not 110 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: maybe the real deadline, you know, Jones might say, yeah, 111 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: let's just do the tag. And then when the Giants 112 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: are sitting there like, hey, we have thirty two million 113 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: dollars in our cap space tied up with one guy, 114 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: maybe well, you know, more willing to give a little 115 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: bit and whatever the hang up is, and maybe to 116 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: get that deal done like the Monday, the free agency 117 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, unofficially starts, maybe something like that. But I 118 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: think at the tag deadline, I think he ends up 119 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: getting tagged. Yeah you know, you mentioned deal length, and 120 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: I do think that's interesting, right. I feel like almost 121 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: three years gives the player another chance to cash in. 122 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: It also gives the team a chance to get out 123 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: if it's not working the way they want. I almost 124 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: kind of feel like that that kind of feels like 125 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the sweet spot to me. And maybe it's a five 126 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: year deal and you can get out after three without 127 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: a kill in your cap. You know, that's something you 128 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: can look at. I think there probably is a way 129 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: to go here, because we're going to see this quarter 130 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: back market reset, right. You have Lamar coming up, you 131 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: have Herbert coming up, you have Borrow coming up. That's 132 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: I think these players are. And we saw Dak Prescott 133 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: do this too, and he's with the same agency group 134 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: where he wanted the short term deals so then he 135 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: could passion again later. But it also works at the 136 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: team's favor two to your point, yeah, no, I think. 137 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: And I think also we all have to train ourselves 138 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: not to get sticker shot here because the numbers sound 139 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: so big, But we have to realize where this cap 140 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: is going. You know, COVID is over, the new TV 141 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: deals are kicking in, like it's gonna be astronomical, Like 142 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: wait till you see what guys like Herbert and Borrow 143 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: get this offseason and whatever happens with Lamar, I mean, 144 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna blow whatever Daniel Jones ends up at out 145 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: of the water. So you know he might sign. Say 146 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: he signs at first, you say, oh my gosh, he's 147 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: the ninth highest paid quarterback. Like two or three weeks later, 148 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: he might be the thirteenth or fourteenth, you know, depending 149 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: on how other deals to get done. I think the 150 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: interim one that'll to kind of gauge and it could 151 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: happen before Jones is Derek Carr is see a guy 152 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: who like kind of finally establishes a middle class because 153 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: there isn't one. If your quarterback, you're either like a 154 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: veteran retread, a rookie, or you know, a guy at 155 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: the top of the market, Like, is there is there 156 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: a sweet spot there? And then could Derek car establish 157 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: that because obviously he was due forty in Vegas, they 158 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to pay him that. Now he's doing his 159 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: little tour. If he gets like thirty, then you would 160 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: feel like that's probably hurts Daniel Jones's leverage because like, hey, 161 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: if you gonna test the market, there isn't probably gonna 162 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: be some huge deal. If Derek Guard gets forty somewhere 163 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: else you say, like, listen, it's applying to man. People 164 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: are gonna pay for quality quarterback, so not be fascining. Now, 165 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: we don't know if that will work out, probably won't 166 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: work out before the Giants have to make a decision, 167 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: But I feel like he'd be an interesting trial, but 168 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: let me just to see what he gets on the 169 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: open market with the on that and I guess the 170 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: last thing I'll ask you about Daniel before head over 171 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: to Saquon then, is from a team building perspective. Right. 172 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: We know, once you pay the quarterback, you have to 173 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: make other sacrifices. Right. The Chiefs pay Patrick Homes they 174 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: to let Tyreek Hill go so they could build other 175 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: parts of the team. So I guess the question is, 176 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: once you pay him, then what's your team building strategy? 177 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: Do you then have to rely on the draft much 178 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs of this year, right they had so 179 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: many rookies on rookie deals playing for them. Or do 180 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: you say, well, look, if we get Daniel here, we 181 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: want exactly see what he can do, so we have 182 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: to go on and invest in a big receiver. So 183 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: does it make sense then trade your twenty fifth pick 184 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: and maybe not the best draft class to get a 185 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: really good wide receiver to see exactly how good Daniel 186 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: can be. I see both sides of the approach there. Yeah, no, 187 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: And it's fast and they're in such a sticky spot. 188 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: You would so much better if you'd like one more 189 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: year on his rookie deal and they not to go hinds. 190 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I think not. I think the client the fifth year 191 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: option was the right choice, but it sureould be nice 192 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: to have that you'll still be twenty two millions. It 193 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be chump change, but it'd be nice if the 194 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: hell one more year to kind of build around him 195 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: and get a you know, a full evaluation like this 196 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: is definitely the guy. Um So they're kind of having 197 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: to you know, obviously going on a projection here. That's 198 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: why I think the tag is would be bad news 199 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: for the Giants because you're just not gonna have a 200 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of space to go sign because you don't. You 201 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: don't have to just get Dania Jones weapon. You have 202 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: to upgrade that defense too, and that's gonna cost money. 203 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: You can't draft all of these guys and expect them 204 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: the impact players. I think the draft doesn't need to 205 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: be still the avenue. Even if you know, resign Dania 206 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: Jones a big contract. It may be tempting to say, 207 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: let's go trade and do our stefon digs trac. We're 208 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna make bills parallels, you know, till the end of 209 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: time here as one with Joe Shane's in office, but 210 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: I think they need to find their justin Jefferson. Again, 211 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: the way easier said than done, but like they're in 212 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: that point, like if you can get a stud wide 213 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: receiver and have him in his rookie contract, that's where 214 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: the bargain is. You know, there's the talk with Buffalo 215 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: saying how like they Jamar Chase and then all these 216 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: guys because you know they're drafting a lot earlier twenty five. 217 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it's hard to get that guy there. 218 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: But I think that's where they need to focus. I 219 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: don't think they can go all in and say like 220 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: where it's like giving up draft picks. I think they 221 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: have too many holes, I think. But that's where it 222 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: gets As you mentioned with the quarterback paying him top dollar, 223 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: that's where it gets a little sticky, because yeah, you 224 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: have to compromise other places. So really, if you're gonna 225 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: pay Dana Jones that much money, he needs to raise 226 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: his level. I mean, I think we saw and take 227 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a big jump in you're one of this Brian Dabel 228 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: my caf offense. The good news calf could being back. 229 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Now you need to see another jump and another like 230 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: it needs to. He needs to keep going up. You know, 231 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it can't just be that can't be the best we're 232 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: going to see off him. He needs to keep growing 233 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: and developing. And obviously, if they give the guy, you know, 234 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty twenty million dollars, they're doing so 235 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: believing that would be the case. They have to trust 236 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: their evaluation and hope they're right. No, I'm with you, 237 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: by the way, I think the draft is kind of 238 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: how you have to do it, and you hope you 239 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: hit on these picks later in the first round, second round, 240 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: and I hope you can find some from gems in there, 241 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: which and wide receiver. I think history shows that you can. 242 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to se Quon. Let's assuming you 243 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: can't tag them, right, Let's say you have to tag 244 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: Jones and you can't tag sae Quon. I think it's 245 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: an interesting play and how that's going to work out. 246 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: It's such a deep running back market. Then there are 247 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: so many good free agent running backs, and there are 248 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: so many good running backs in this draft. I can 249 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: argue this five or six starting running backs Day one 250 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: out of this draft class. If you look at the 251 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: guys coming out. So how do you think that impacts 252 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: the market in free agency? Will he go out there 253 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: and be able to find a you know, not maybe 254 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: not even a McCaffrey contract, but you know, a fourteen 255 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: million dollar contract. How do you think that market's going 256 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: to dictate what sa Quon eventually signs for. No, And 257 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: I think that's that's certainly the case. You look, yeah, 258 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: it's not usually this strong of a veteran running back class. 259 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: You can say he's not even the best back and 260 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: hit the mark based on what Josh Jacob just did 261 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: last year in Vegas, and he's obviously hitting the market 262 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: and you got you know, Miles sand you have all 263 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: these guys a quality running David Montgomery, I could go 264 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: down the list that you could say, like, is it 265 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: worth paying one of these guys, like you said, fourteen 266 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: million a year, we can get somebody else for eight 267 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: or ten. And then you also some teams that just 268 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: won't pay that much running back theory, because they'll get 269 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: the guys in the draft as you mentioned, and just 270 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: run them into the ground for four or five years 271 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: and move on. So no, um, he's in a very 272 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: interesting spot like what his market will be will be 273 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: fascinating because you know, he's a big name, he's you know, 274 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: he's obviously produced at a really high level, at least 275 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: in two of the seasons when he's been fully healthy. 276 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: But is there gonna be that Like, I don't think 277 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a Christian McCaffrey tape offer out there 278 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: if he hits the free agent market. But he's also 279 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: just a unique act. How often does a guy with 280 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: his star power hit the market? You know, assuming he does, 281 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: let's just play it out that that's how it breaks down. 282 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: It's I'm struggling to think of a parallel like, who 283 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, been a similar profile player 284 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: who just hits free agency. Like I feel like that's 285 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: that's sort of a rarity. So, um, it'll be interesting 286 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: if that is how it plays out. Do you do 287 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: you think the Giants, if they are able to, would 288 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: tag sa Quon. Yeah, I mean I think I think 289 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: the tag that you said earlier, I think it's worse 290 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: for the Giants to tag Daniel Jones. I mean, listen, 291 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: if Dana Jones, you'd rather have a long term deal, 292 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: but thirty two million dollars in your pocket not a 293 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: bad outcome. I think for say Quon, it's better for 294 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: the Giants and worse for him, because I mean, you 295 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: know there's been reports and you know I can say 296 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: I've heard the same things that it was. You know, 297 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: the offer at the buy was in a twelve million 298 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: dollars year arrange maybe twelve months some change, so that 299 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: you're talking to Tag at ten point one, you're getting 300 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: less than that average value would have been, and you're 301 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: getting none of the long term security that would have 302 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: come with that. So for him, that's like really a 303 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: worse case outcome. I mean, you carry ten million dollars 304 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: on your cap for one year for running back. Not ideal, 305 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: But you know, for the team, it's like if you're 306 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: bringing Dana Jones back, it'd be nice to have sa 307 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: Quon with him. And you know, it's just kind of 308 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: it's the tough part for him and make him prove 309 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: it again, Like this was obviously a big year for him. 310 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: You know, he had to prove that he can stay healthy, 311 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: proved he can be productive again he was so then 312 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: to really not truly cash in off of that, that'd 313 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: be a tough bill to swallow if I'm him, And 314 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: so if you're the team, you have to also factor 315 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: that in, like, is it gonna hurt some some relations. 316 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just part of the tag. And I 317 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: mean I think they're all they're all professionals. They would 318 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: deal with it, But I don't think that's the outcome 319 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Sake one one. I think if you're the team though, 320 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: and you are able to get something done with Daniel 321 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Jones before the tag deadline, that makes you have a 322 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: much harder line with Sake one. Listen, Pat, we'll just 323 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: tag you if you don't want to meet the again 324 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: whatever is. Let's just say it's three years, you know, 325 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: twelve millions part something like that. If you don't want that, 326 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: then we'll just tag you for ten. That might make 327 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: Sake On say, you know what, Actually that that offer 328 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: your head doesn't look so bad anymore. Yeah, And then 329 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: I guess I'll go back to the team building part 330 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: of this, right. You want to get as much around 331 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: Daniel as possible, and if you get those two guys done, 332 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: that's a big portion of what you can send. Spending 333 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: the salary cab You're just not gonna have a lot 334 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: of money. There's not a bunch of wide receivers. Quite frankly, 335 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: that are free agents that are really that valuable, and 336 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: the ones that are, since there aren't many, you're gonna 337 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: get overpaid. So what's your priority, Dan, And how do 338 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: you go about trying to build things around Daniel? Because 339 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: your argument is, look, Daniel's numbers didn't jump off the page, 340 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: but because they didn't because there wasn't enough around them 341 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: for him to make explosive plays, right, So then what 342 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: do you do to allow his talent to shine through? 343 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: So he is plays for a guy that you might pay, 344 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, thirty five plus a million or whatever the 345 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: number ends up being. Yeah, it protection on the interior 346 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: offensive line. Where do you get the receiver, how do 347 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: you prioritize it, how do you go about it? What's 348 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? Yeah? Well, so I think that 349 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: point before I get into like the positions, is that's 350 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: why long term deals are so imperative, I think for 351 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: the team as far as the team building, because if 352 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: you get you get Daniel an take all, though you're 353 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: in the tag, that's obviously the best case scenario because listen, 354 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: you know it does it's not great to kick cap 355 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: down the road. But I think you start seeing how 356 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: let's just say it seemed like Phillilly has done it 357 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: and it worked out pretty well for them. I mean, 358 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, the bill comes to do eventually. But again, 359 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: as I talked earlier, that CAP has got a skyrocket, 360 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: so a dollar today is not worth a dollar tomorrow. 361 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: So I think if they can get both those guys 362 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: and long term deals kind of backload them, which is 363 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's always my preferable rope. But I'm kind 364 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: of coming around on again with the way the CAP 365 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: is getting well off and the way the Giants books are. 366 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: They don't have a bunch of big contracts um you know, 367 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: signed for the future, so might be the exception to 368 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: do this year so that way you can build around 369 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: those two guys, you can get them both back a 370 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: long term deals really lower that year one cap. It 371 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: that does give some flexibilities. So yeah, then it's I mean, 372 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: definitely they need to find a way to get a 373 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and I don't know that there's a number 374 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: one might a wide receiver available obviously in free agency, 375 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't see one. The trade options is probably the 376 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: one you know Brandon a Uk or te Higging someone 377 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: like that. But then you're given up a lot and 378 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: you have to is he gonna have, you know, a 379 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: J Brown type impact the Tyree Hill play? Then backroom team, 380 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that those two guys would. So then 381 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: then you say, oh you just take one of twenty five? 382 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: Is give me that guy? So that's a tough one. 383 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: The wire receiver one debate is tough. Then that's why 384 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I did a ten step off season plan. And again, 385 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: like I said, we always look back to what they 386 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: did in Buffalo. Kers need to be more like the 387 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: year before they trade for Diggs where they signed like 388 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: the cole Beasleys and John Brown's to get a couple 389 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: middle class wide receivers. At least it's gonna make your 390 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: overall group better, But it's not gonna give you that 391 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: one bona fide alpha wire receiver you know they certainly 392 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: could use. But then so then you if you're not 393 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: gonna spend it all wide receiver, do you spend a 394 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: lit in tier off of the line. But I really 395 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: need defense. Is the spot where they're gonna need to 396 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: invest him because you know, obviously the linebacking corps was 397 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: was very weak and there's some guys out there I 398 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: think he could fill in for not crazy money that 399 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: would just upgrade that group. A cornerbacks posician needs to 400 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, have some investment. We talked to all the 401 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Fraids who haven't even talked about fuel in Love another 402 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: guy who's going to command a few bucks and was, 403 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, really valuable, so you'd like to bring him back, 404 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: But he's obviously third in the pecking order. Again, we 405 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: haven't really discussed him, not just on this podcast, but 406 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: in general. You know, he's really taking a back seat 407 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: to these other two guys. So um, there's a lot 408 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of balls in the air for Joe Shane, Like, 409 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't envy him this off seat. And he's got 410 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: cap space, you know, as he didn't last year, but 411 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: now he's gonna feel how to use it and it's 412 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: not going to be a simple puzzle to put together. Hey, 413 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: Giant Fans, take your fans at the next level of 414 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: the season taking membership. Skate connected to the club all 415 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: year round, not just on game days. Memberships are now 416 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: available for the twenty twenty three seasons. To learn more 417 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: about all the exclusive member benefits, there's a Giants dot 418 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: Com slash Take this limited inventory is available, No Loogan. 419 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: This is not easy I mean here one hundred percent right, man, 420 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: Like these are tough decisions. You gotta mat manage the cap. 421 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: You're right, the caps going up, and I think you 422 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: feel better about backloading the contracts for the guys you 423 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: know a lot about too. You know, they know about Daniel, 424 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: they know about se Quance. You probably feel more confident 425 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: of backing some of that money up. But let's jump 426 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: to the defense. I think corner is probably still your 427 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: number one spot, Dan, or do you have middle linebacker 428 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: as the number one spot. I think I promised in 429 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: middle linebacker because I just feel like that position is 430 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: really you know, you know, but I Marteen was obviously 431 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: sort of a brief rest bit at that position. But 432 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: for a long time here this organization just has not 433 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: had great inside linebacker play. And I think you kind 434 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: of get what you pay for. I think it's time to, 435 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, make an investment there. I don't think they 436 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: need to get you know, Tremaine Edmonds and top top 437 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: market money, but there's some guys in that middle class. 438 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I think you can get a quality middle linebacker for 439 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: a reasonable ray. I think that's a position that just 440 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: absolutely needs to be a draft you can't keep signing 441 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: guys off the street or US in day three picks 442 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: and trying to get through a season like that. I 443 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna work out. But no cornerback for 444 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: sure because obviously Dory Jackson, where he's in the last 445 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: year of his deal, I think he's a guy they 446 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: just just like play it out, Like, I don't think 447 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: they need to do anything crazy, extend him or restructure. 448 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Like it's a big cap hit, but you can you 449 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: can probably stomach it. I'm not sure they want to 450 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: extend him because he's got the injury history, Like, let's 451 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: just play that out. You know, you have one quality corner, 452 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: but the same thing, you know, like you need to 453 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: upgrade that other spot, especially in wings defense, where corner 454 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: is you know, so vitally important. Like I'm still convinced 455 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: that if things have worked out differently in Sauce Gardner 456 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: was there, they would have run to the podium with 457 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: the number five pick for him last year. I think 458 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: you're probably right about that, Dan, Yeah, and so I 459 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: don't think again, it's not those guys don't come along 460 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: too often. Now you're picking twenty five, but that's another position, 461 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: even in the first round doesn't have to be wide receiver. 462 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that the cornerback market breaks that way. That 463 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: could be a spot, and I think Joe Shane is 464 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: gonna use premium picks on premium positions. So I think, 465 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver or cornerback. Obviously, you know you've 466 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: not taken aensive tackle hopefully for many many years here, 467 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: but you know, like they've they've kind of attacked, even 468 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: just early in his tenure edge rusher, they've gone to 469 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: the premium spots. So I think that's a position that certainly, 470 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, Favorite Road did a nice job stepping. You 471 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: have some young guys who you know, have some intrigue, 472 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: some upside. But I think that would be a position, 473 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: at least in free agency. I want to throw a 474 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: few bucks out that to have a solid number two 475 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: corner that can play with a dory and obviously, you 476 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: know some young guy overtakes him. It's at the end 477 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: of the world, and you always you know what to say. 478 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: You can never have too many corners. But definitely a 479 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: position I think that needs to be addressed. Um in 480 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: freegency for sure. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about 481 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: a Dorian Leonard. You already gave your take on a Dory. 482 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: So how do you think they handle Leonard Williams? Here 483 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: a big cap number, but as a guy, you can't 484 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: afford to let go either, Like when Howard Cross and 485 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: I during the games is a joke when either either 486 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams or Dexter Lawrence were on the field, they 487 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: couldn't stop the run. But pretty much ever it was 488 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: as bad as it was terrible. So how do you 489 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: think they work that out? Is that an extension then 490 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: to lower that one year cap hit and spread it 491 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: out a little bit? You think, Yeah, that one's complicated. 492 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Like I said a Dory, I think it's I think 493 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: his capet's around twenty million, Leonard's just thirty two. I mean, 494 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: you talk like a quarterback. We're talking the franchise tag 495 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: for a quarterback. You Tagg Daniel, you got him and 496 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: Leonard take them sixty four million on your cab neckcase 497 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: that that's a little untenable. But in a tough spot 498 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: because he's a he's a quality player. I mean this 499 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: year notwithstanding, he's been a very durable, reliable player, Like 500 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, plays like eightercent of snaps, that defensive tackle. 501 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: Great guy in the locker room works out, all those 502 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: great things. But it's it's a big number. So yeah, 503 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: you have to look at a twenty eight twenty nine, 504 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: I want to say, So he's getting up there a 505 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: little little bit. But I think you can probably do 506 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: a short term extension, like maybe three year deal. I 507 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: was looking at like Grady Jarrett, sound like a three year, 508 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars deal once there's last year. They're kind 509 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: of a similar player, a similar stage of his career. 510 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: Like if you could get something like that done that 511 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: way again, you know, if you're pushing the can down 512 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: the road. I keep doing this here. It's not not ideal, 513 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: but I think that's sort of where they are right now. 514 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: Get that capet down this year because I just keeping 515 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: him at, like I said, thirty two million dollars. That's 516 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: what you be paying your quarterback on the franchise, say, 517 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: was not when you want to paying an interior defensive linement, 518 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: even a quality one. But no, I don't think they 519 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: can cut him. And I know Leonard kind of fuel 520 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: the fire of a pay cut in his post season 521 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: press commerce, but I think that was kind of spur 522 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: of the moment. I don't I mean Listen, We've seen 523 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: how his agents have managed negotiations. They've not left too 524 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: many pennies on the table, so I don't think they 525 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: would be doing that because listen, if the giants come 526 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: to him for a pacut, Leonard just says no, And 527 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: then what do you do? The the line always have 528 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: heard from a executives if you go to give a 529 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: guy a pacut, you have to be prepared to cut him. 530 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: And I don't think the giants are pared to cut him. 531 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: So you're gonna go and and test the waters there 532 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: to get like fourmula into all electry cap I don't. 533 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. So I think it'll 534 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: I think an extension is probably the most likely outcome there. 535 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: But that that's a night Listen. Like I said, George 536 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Jay is going to earn his keep dis sauces. He 537 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: does not have a bunch of easy decisions to make, 538 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: and that's another tough one that's in front of him. Yeah, 539 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: cut a couple more dance. So then what do you 540 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: think generally free agency is going to look like? I 541 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: go back to your answer about the wide receivers, maybe 542 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: some middle class guys. Is that what you think is 543 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: look like on defense, it's not a star studded free 544 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: agency class. So what do you think Shane's gonna do 545 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: and how do you think he's gonna handle and what 546 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: is priorities gonna be? Yeah, and I think that's fine 547 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: because I think we've found like stars that are free agencies. 548 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, always looks good in March and then you 549 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: know a year or two later, like how do we 550 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: pay this guy that much money? So I think being 551 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: a being a middle class you know, bargain bin shopper, 552 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: because listen that they're biggest free agent acquisitions are most 553 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: likely gonna be internal guys. You know, I'm suing their 554 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: dream offseason. If the money works out, they're gonna resign 555 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Dandel Jones, they gonna resign say Bonbarcley, They're gonna resign 556 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: Julian Love. So there's gonna be a ton of money 557 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: left over if you do those moves. But yeah, I 558 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: think just kind of calculative strikes to strengthen some weakness 559 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: and can stay some positions. This year, that is the 560 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: much success of the head like barely NFL caliber, like 561 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: the defensive line after Leonard Williams and Dexa Larns, the linebacks, 562 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: the inside linebackers in general, like cornerback, two spot, like 563 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: there were positions there were really replacement level players. So 564 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: I think if you can just spend some money there, 565 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: not crazy money, maybe get some guys who are young, ascending, 566 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: you get on them a little early, something like that. 567 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna make some big swing 568 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: for the fences and have some you know, twenty million 569 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: dollars wide receiver contract anything like that. I mean, they're 570 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: gonna be calculated about it. And again I think they're 571 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: real spending is going to go to the guys who 572 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: are already on their roster. The Giants Official Connected TV 573 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: streaming at Giants TV brings original video content and game 574 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: highlights on demand and direct the Big Blue fans. Giant 575 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: TV is free on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, 576 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: and the Giants Mobile app. You know, Dan's funny. I 577 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: don't think either one of us thought we'd be having 578 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: these types of conversations at this point last year. I 579 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: think we all kind of figured it would be a 580 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: frankly a bad year, and this would be like the 581 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: start of almost like a ground up rebuilding process. And 582 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: now it's kind of in this weird in between part, right, 583 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: Like you know they're not and Joe Shane has said this, Right, 584 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: we're not a player away from the super Bowl. But 585 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: you have a lot of good players you're gonna have 586 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: to spend money on relatively soon, whether it's Daniel or 587 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: Sequan this year, Dexter next year, Andrew Thomas McKinney the 588 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: following year, whoever you want to talk about. Right, So 589 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: they're in this like in between, like we're not competing, 590 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: but we have to spend money like we are, but 591 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: we still have to add pieces. It's just a weird 592 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: thing to reconcile. And I've gone back. It's hard to 593 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: find teams that have kind of been in this spot 594 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: and figured out a way to do it, you know 595 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. No, I mean totally. That's why it's funny. 596 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm sending, Yes, that's a hard offseason. I think it 597 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: was if you ask me a year ago. I'm like, 598 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: year two for Shane's gonna beautiful. He's gonna like clear 599 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: the deck. He's gonna, you know, be in the top 600 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: five drafts quarterback, you know, have a rookie quarterback contract 601 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: to build around. Like it's gonna be easy and now, Yeah, 602 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: like the downside of having some unexpected success is you 603 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: kind of have to recalibrate. You're not in you know, 604 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: striking range to get Will Levis or wherever they would 605 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: have fallen in love with like they did with jog 606 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Dowllen and Buffalo. It's they can't just follow that Buffalo blueprint. Well, 607 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny and Buffalo they kind of did 608 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: have the year one success and they did blow it up. 609 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Certainly does not feel like that's the plan here. I mean, 610 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: he's openly professed that Daniel Jones is their guy. But 611 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: it does make it different and challenge. And you said 612 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: there's not a not a real clear blueprint of like 613 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: teams that have been in this in between um phase 614 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: where you have a quarterback where you know you're not 615 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: like he's a superstar, but you you think he's good 616 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: enough to win with, Like how do you build from there? 617 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, it's fascinating. I mean, like you mentioned 618 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: some of those young guys. I mean I think those 619 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: are guys who I think their contracts will probably addressed 620 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: this off season two because I think one thing good 621 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: organizations do is they're proactive in locking down these homegrown 622 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: player so you don't have situations where, like I tweeted 623 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: earlier in the off season, blew my mind. Um, since 624 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: the twenty eleven draft, the only guys who've gotten second 625 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: contract only draft picks have gotten second contracts here or 626 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham junior. Obviously that didn't last too long. And 627 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: Stilling Shepherd, that's it, that's amazing, Like that's that's not 628 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: that's not a trend you want to continue. It's the 629 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: reason why the team obviously went through the low times 630 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: they went through. So now you have some young guys, 631 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: you can't let them all get to free agency and 632 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: then you know some team he gives a Washington gives 633 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: the type of offer to land and Collins, someone does 634 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: that to Xaviery McKinney next year and all a sudden 635 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: years lost the quality safety had been your program for 636 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: four years. Like I think I got it, McKinney. I 637 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: try and lock him up this year, even coming off 638 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: the hand that maybe give a little discount because of 639 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: that Dexa lawrence. I definitely think he'll be a priority 640 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: because they don't want to let him get the free 641 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: agency next year or getting the tag game all that, 642 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: so I think you'd take care of him and he 643 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: can really be proactive. Andrew Thomas, even though they have 644 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: him for next year plus the fifty year option, I 645 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: might consider going there because again, all these deals are 646 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: going to be based off the you know, the market. 647 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: So if you let some other left tackle sign a 648 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: crazy easy contact, well, now that's gonna become the baseline 649 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: for Andrew Thomas or even for Texas Lawrence. There's a 650 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of DEFENSI attacks, a lot of even the tackles 651 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: in his class, you know, Quinn and William, Jeffrey Simmons, 652 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins, all these guys, they're gonna be coming up 653 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: for extensions. You almost want to beat them to the 654 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: punch in some ways, so you kind of get the 655 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: best deal and they're not, you know, they're negotiating off 656 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: yours than vice versas. So now I think it's like, 657 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of keep saying it, it's a 658 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: really interesting Austin for Joe Shane and said, to your 659 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: point of this question, after rambled here for five minutes, 660 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: it's not the one we will to expect. I think 661 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: he probably came in with a plan. You know, he 662 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: didn't pick up the fifty year option and he signed 663 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: Tyler Taylor. It's like, all right, I got my bridge 664 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: quarterback and going to draft the quarterback, gonna build around that, 665 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you got to change on the fly. 666 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: When your team wins nine games and goes in the 667 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: road win the playoff game, Um, it makes a little 668 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: tougher to go down that roade. So now he's at 669 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: the pivot and now that's where we're are now. So 670 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to figure how they're going to handle everything 671 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: because there isn't a clear roadmap to follow, at least 672 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: from the outside. You mentioned Julian love before. Do you 673 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: think he might get caught in the wash here a 674 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: little bit with with with se Quon and Daniel and 675 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: the money you might have to commit to them or 676 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, I know they love them. I know Wink 677 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: loves him. He's the kind of represents as a guy 678 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: everything they want this locker room to be. I think 679 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: Julian wants to be back. Do you think they will 680 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: figure out a number of that will work for both sides. Yeah, 681 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: that's a tough one because yeah, like to all the 682 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: points you may, I think they do love him and 683 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: they had loved him back. I think he would love 684 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: to be here. But in the safety market's tricky too, 685 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: and that's kind of blowing up the last couple of years. 686 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you know the thing that always happens 687 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: to these negotiations, all the comps. So the team is 688 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: going to say we think you're similar to this player 689 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: who signed for this, the you know, the team, the 690 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: player in the agent and say, well, we think we're 691 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: similar to this player and he signed for that, and 692 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: the safety market's kind of all over the map. I'm 693 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: Julian Love. I'm sitting there saying Amani Hooker was just 694 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: like me, a fourth round pick in twenty nineteen and 695 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: nowhere near the production I had. He signed a three year, 696 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: thirty million extension with Tennessee last year, so why would 697 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: I set up for a dime less than that to 698 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: say mistake, We're not gonna do the same. So that 699 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: it gets interesting, Like I think he's probably like a 700 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: seven and a half million dollar year player like this 701 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: guys who've signed for that at that position. That's by 702 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: where he fits. But he might look at and say, listen, 703 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: I'm coming off for a career years. My first time 704 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: as a full time starter. I really produced. If I 705 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: get in the market, I can get ten, dat I 706 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: can get twelve. But he might get in the market 707 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: and only get five. You don't know. It's it's it's 708 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: it's definitely a gamble. So if they make a legitimate, 709 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: strong offer, I think if I'm him, I would probably 710 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: jump on it because I think it's a good place 711 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: for him, and I think it's just a good defense. 712 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: He's been here, he's established, but he is an interesting guy, 713 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: he said. The term caught in the wash could certainly 714 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: happen because he's definitely not the top priority right now. 715 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're rose now as his college or 716 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: a chance like let me get back in like a week, 717 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: it's I got, I got, you know these other numbers 718 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: running through my head. But no, I think that's something 719 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: they have to be careful with because you never know. 720 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: A guy hit the market, it only takes one team. 721 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: His hometown team is Charago Bears have a bazillion dollars 722 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: in cap space. Maybe they blow him away. You just 723 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: you never know. So that is something He's a guy 724 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: that I think he'll be interesting to monitor out his 725 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: market develops, because he's obviously not getting tagged, so he's 726 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: gonna have the opportunity to test the market unless they 727 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: hammer something out before free aid and say two on 728 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: the draft. I'm not going to ask about players, but 729 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: just thankrate um. We talked about the wide receivers, so 730 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: let's start there. A lot of these guys some people 731 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: believe might be kind of slot specific. They have Wando Robinson, 732 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: but he's coming off at an ECO. How much do 733 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: you think they're gonna think about that aspect of this 734 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: in terms of fit with Wan Dao? Are they just 735 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: gonna draft the best guy and say, you know, might grow, 736 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: Brian Dable might have to figure it out. You know, 737 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: how do you think that might impact the type of 738 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: wide receiver they want to pick and when they might 739 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: want to pick him? Quite frankly, just based on Robinson 740 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: being here and him being a priority player for them 741 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: as a second round pick in the draft last year. Yeah, no, 742 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: it's a good point. I said, thank you for asking 743 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: me to a players. I'm nowhere near as deep into 744 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: the weeds and that stuff, at least not yet as 745 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: you are. But no wide receivers position I've paid attention 746 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: to a little bit more. If you ask me in 747 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: TiO line I might be in a little trouble, But yeah, 748 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a consideration you have to have because 749 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: remember last year when they drafted Wan Dale and they 750 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: head to Darius Tony and it was like, oh, no, 751 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: no problem to be a fit. And obviously, you know, 752 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: they never really became an issue for a multitude of reasons. 753 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: But so I think that there is some feeling that 754 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: they can just fit guys in their offense. But at 755 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: the same time, maybe they kind of knekdays Tony wasn't 756 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: gonna be here too long, so they didn't care that 757 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: much where Wandell Obviously, you know, I think they believe 758 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna have a big role going forward. I mean 759 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: they used to whatever, it was a top fifty pick 760 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: on him. He has to be part of the equation. 761 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it was a slot only guy 762 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that'd be really tough for me to take at twenty five. 763 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, if you get in the fourth, fifth round, 764 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: like whatever, that guy might be your punt return er, 765 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: what you might be at the Richie Janger placement, let alone, 766 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: like you know, supplanting Wandel, but you're talking those first 767 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: two rounds. I think it has to be a consideration. 768 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: I think in the ideal world, you get a six 769 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: four true you know, X Y receiver to play outside. 770 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what this offense needs. But you know, 771 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of THO guys who seem like 772 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: they're kind of hybrids. I think with this offense, with 773 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: this creativity, this coaching staff, you can make it work. 774 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: Might not be ideal, but I think that there's a 775 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: there's a place where they could probably they probably still 776 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: do that. Do you think they would consider a big 777 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: time playmaking tight end? Hopkin Dable both come from systems 778 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: where they played eleven personnel most of the time. Right, 779 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: That's what they did. But to your point, you know, 780 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: the wide receiver free A D classes are very good. 781 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: The wide receiver draft class, you know isn't as good 782 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: as it has been in past years with you know, top, top, 783 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: top guys, but it's an awesome tight end draft class. Right. 784 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: You might have three tight ends go in the first 785 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: round this year. Who knows. Do you think they would 786 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: consider a really good pass catching tight end and pivot 787 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: to more of a twelve personnel grouping team. Do you 788 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: think that's something they would consider? You think that's two 789 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: out of character for a dable and calf cave done 790 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, it's a good question. It's an 791 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: interesting kind of thought exercise at least. But yeah, I 792 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: feel like that'd be going a little too far against 793 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: the grain of what they are, what they want to 794 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: because even if you think of last season, obviously they 795 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: did that heavy personnel early, which I think they were 796 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what they could do to 797 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: make it work. But when they started hit their stride 798 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: late in the year, it was eleven personnel. Once Bellingder 799 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: came back, it was just a Bellinger and eleven personnel 800 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: all day. And I think, you know, you got a 801 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: nice value there the fourth round pick. He was a 802 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: quality guy. You can kind of a two way tight 803 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: endwer set with that role. For sure. If you can 804 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: get a dynamic guy, I'm and use have an Ingram's 805 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: name just you know, and helpfully giants fans own cringe, 806 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: but like that type of a compliment, Yeah, that'd be nice. 807 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a guy who would fit 808 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: that mold at twenty five. And also I just think 809 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: that type of position, so that's a great class. I 810 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: think history has shown that you can get some value 811 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: there a little later, so I think that I'd be 812 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: surprised I went that route in the first round. I 813 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: do think the premium positions cornerback, wide, receiver, there's you know, 814 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's an edge rush where hey, you can never 815 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: make those guys either, I think tight end. I'd be surprised, 816 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: you know. I know there's some really high, you know, 817 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: highly regarded guys in this class, but I think that's 818 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: probably a spot you feel good of a Balinger, you 819 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: feel you' probably gonna be more of an eleven personnel team. 820 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: We can just invest another mid round pick, get another guy, 821 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: and maybe he's more of a comment to Balinger, like 822 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I said, more of an athletic guy. And that's Broya 823 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: the way they go. But it is definitely something interesting considered. 824 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: It's so different now for us, you know, covering the 825 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: team's picking twenty fifth, it's been a while. Usually you 826 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: could really narrow it down to a finite number of 827 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: positions and names. It's twenty five. I mean the board 828 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: is wide open at this junctre for sure. Percent Yeah, 829 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's no way to know before they go 830 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: by real quick, your thoughts on the rookie class on 831 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Neil Thibodeau and then everyone else pretty much got hurt. 832 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: But I thought generally on the group and and and 833 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of where they're heading. Yeah, I mean that was 834 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: gonna be my answers. It's hard to say. Gassnium ended up, 835 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, in knee braces. So that was disappointing. And 836 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: obviously the good news is, in some respects a lot 837 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: of them got here early. So you know, Darren Beavers 838 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: marked m Heath and he said the guys should be 839 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: ready to go, you know, by the time camp opens. 840 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: We're not sure exactly on like Wandale's timeline, but it's 841 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: almost gonna give like two rookie classes because well, these 842 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: guys think that a lot of burn um. But the 843 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: guys who did play, you know, I think I'll stick 844 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: to the first rounders. You know, guys, you know, you 845 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: sell some promise from like a courtel plot. And I 846 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: obviously touched on Balanci already. I mean, I think Tibodeau 847 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: showed a lot of signs of you know, what they 848 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: think he what they thought he was, and I think 849 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: they still think there's a lot more there um. So 850 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I feel good about that pick. 851 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the sack numbers did knock anyone's 852 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: socks off, but that's not really what happens in Wick 853 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: Martindale's system. You know, they don't have a lot of 854 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: fifteen sacks seasons. And you know, you look back his 855 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: time in Baltimore with guys like joot On and Zadarius Smith, 856 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: they just didn't have a guy like that. It's more 857 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: of a system type thing. And I think he played 858 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: his role well. I mean's Neil's the question mark. I mean, 859 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: he can't sugarcoat it. He hit a rough rookie year. 860 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people said, well so Andrew Thomas, 861 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: that's great. Like if he follows Andrew Thomas like sign 862 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, sign me up, everyone will take that. But 863 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that will happen. So I think he's 864 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: he's got a big offseason ahead of him, like he 865 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: needs to get better, and there's no reason thing he won't. 866 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: He's obviously a physical specimen. He seemed to be a 867 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: very thoughtful guy, hard working. You don't hear any bad 868 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: word about him. It's just that there are sometimes the 869 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: guys who get drafted high. It's it's off the tackles 870 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: and they don't make you know, they don't develop the 871 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: way you would expect. I'm not saying that won't be 872 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: the case, but that's a I think that's an underrated, 873 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: huge element of this off season. It's not gonna be 874 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: about just player musician. A guy like Havin Neil needs 875 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: to be a lot better. And if he is, like 876 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: look out, because then they're gonna have too great bookend 877 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: tackles for the next decade. That's a beautiful place to be. 878 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a long road between here and there, 879 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: because I mean, I think they said his rookie year definitely, 880 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, raise some questions about about where he's gonna 881 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: end up in his career. All right, final question before 882 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: your little one wakes up and decides to join the podcast. Um, 883 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: your general thought, like anything else been top of mind 884 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: for you? Have you been thinking about this the last 885 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: three weeks? You know, when we kind of step away, 886 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, the mind tends to wander. You kind of 887 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: think about things and you know, possible paths, things that 888 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: you think are are pivotal. Anything else this offseason that 889 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about that you really think is important 890 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: that you've been kind of trying to figure out or 891 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: think about as we head towards the combine and free agency. No, 892 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest, it's really been Daniel Jones, 893 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: Statecon Barkley have dominated so much. Like I said, a 894 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: guy like Julian Love and another year would probably spend 895 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: a lot more you know, inc and airtime talking about him, 896 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: and it's just like an afterthought, you know, whenever you 897 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: have an sware to have a quarterback in this situation 898 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: that Daniel showing us in where he's you know, set 899 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: the hit undertake the free agency. I don't know the 900 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: type of season he had, the careers had the day. 901 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting, and that's why, you know, I 902 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: think people kind of buckle up. I think these negotiations 903 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna try and um, you know, cover from day 904 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: to day, minute to minutes. So there's gonna be highs 905 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: and loads, there's gonna be numbers thrown out and everything 906 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: like that. But I think at the end of the day, 907 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: he's gonna be here next year. So it's just a 908 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: matter of what the terms are, how long term, but 909 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be the Giant's quarterback opening day 910 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. The path to get there is what's 911 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating. It. It's gonna be fun. You know. 912 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: This is I love the off season. I mean, I 913 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: love the games of all that, but the business side 914 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: of it, the roster buildings have it's really fun to 915 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: track two. So it's going to be really interesting to 916 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: see how all that shakes out. Yeah, look, I'll just 917 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: say this and I'll get your comment, we'll say goodbye. 918 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen a couple quarterbacks get to the 919 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: situation in the last few years, Kirk Cousins being the 920 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: main one, right then Dak Prescott to an extent, right 921 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: he played on the tag and then he I think 922 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: he got paid right before he was going to play 923 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: on the second one if I remember correct. But you know, 924 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: when those guys signed their long term deals, I think 925 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: a lot of fans are like wow. And I think 926 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: it's important to Warren Giant fans that when a quarterback 927 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: gets the unrestricted for agency like this, the ball is 928 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: kind of in their court and they do hold a 929 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: lot of leverage. So and generally speaking, guys coming off 930 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: their rookie deals, especially quarterbacks, just just don't take you know, 931 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: voluntary discounts. That's not how this world works. So I 932 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: think Giant fani should just prepare that this is not 933 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: going to be like an easy thing that it's like, oh, yeah, 934 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: let's just do this, and oh it's a lot of money. 935 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: It's fine, I don't need to maximize it. I think 936 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: fans have to be ready that this is gonna be 937 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: something that you know, it's it's gonna be pretty eye opening, 938 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: and the processes is probably gonna be more complicated than 939 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: people maybe thought it was going to be three or 940 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: four months ago. Yeah, and I think I think that's 941 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: an important thing to also kind of separate like the 942 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: character in the business, Like you know, like Daniel Jones 943 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: has been a team first guy from day one in 944 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: the building, and whenever this contract resolves, he's gonna be 945 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: a team first guy. This isn't the time to be 946 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: team first. It's the time to be Daniel Jones first. 947 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Some people saying, oh, he should take less so they 948 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: can build his receivers. It's not Daniel Jones's job to 949 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: manage a giant salary cap, you know. That's Joe Jane's job. 950 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: His job is to make sure that generations of Daniel 951 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: Jones's are you know, taken care of? And I know 952 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: that sounds like, well how much you know, what's the 953 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: difference between thirty five or forty million year? There is 954 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: also a factor of competitiveness, like these guys compete in 955 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: every single thing they do. Here you're in the locker room, 956 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: they compete able ping pong. So he doesn't want to 957 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: sit here and take less money than this guy. He 958 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: doesn't want to take less money than that guy. He 959 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: wants to be in that class. And this is the 960 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: only way to really measure it. You know. It's like 961 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: what your salary and what your contract is is really 962 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: how you define in terms of where you you know, 963 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: you stack up amongst your peers. But yeah, they're not 964 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: in the business of taking discounts. And I will say 965 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones has always kept everything close to the vest, 966 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: so we don't know exactly what's going on. And in 967 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: any the understatement of the century boy, so especially with 968 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: his contract stuff, he's never saying, well, let's be honest, 969 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: he's got he's a feeling, he's got professional pride. When 970 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: that fifty year option got declined, that's sting. You're you're 971 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: pissed off of that your competitor, you want to go 972 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: prove them. So anyone went out and feels like listen, 973 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: I had my best year. I led you guys in 974 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: nine wins. Like you you kind of put me in 975 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: a tough spot. You could have made my life a 976 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: lot easier if I knew I had twenty two million 977 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed waiting after last season. They didn't do that. 978 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: There those safety and that if he stunk, they would have, 979 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: you know, moved along and you said you see you later. 980 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: But he put them in a position. So no, outside 981 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: of cash in, it's a business. It works both ways, 982 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: you know. I think everyone always looks at it from 983 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: the team side of the team side. These players are 984 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: disposable like a snap move a finger, so you got 985 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,479 Speaker 1: to get yours when you can. He's the great position 986 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: leverage wise. And listen, I know people won't you know, 987 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: probably love how everything shakes out, and they might look 988 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: at the final final dollars and how that affects the 989 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: Giant's cap. Listen, Daniel Jones an extent have to keep 990 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: that in mind, I guess, but he needs to take 991 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: care of himself. And then Josh Shane do his job 992 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: and then fill out the rest of the roster. Yeah. Well, 993 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: none of this is personal, you know. Don't hold it 994 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: against a team for letting go of a player when 995 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do for them. Don't hold 996 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: it against the player for trying to maximize their value. 997 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: This is not personal. It's nobody's fault. It's this is negotiation. 998 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: This is business. That's just kind of how it goes, 999 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see how it plays out over the 1000 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: next few weeks. And make sure you follow Dan on Twitter. 1001 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: What's your Twitter account there? Dan? I should have it 1002 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: in for me, but I do not. You know the 1003 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: notification set up, it's d dug in twenty one. Make 1004 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: sure you go follow him on Twitter. Make sure you 1005 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: go subscribe to the Athletic. You guys have one of 1006 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: your like first year for six dollars deals working right 1007 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: now or something like. I'm sure it will be something coming, 1008 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: you know. I don't want to maybe hold around the draft. 1009 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: I think we usually hit it hard, so that's definitely 1010 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: probably if if you're holding out, maybe do it to them. 1011 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: But otherwise, just to sign him now, I'll be worth it. Yeah, 1012 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: make sure you guys go check it out. Dan, good stuff. 1013 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: It was all on The Johns Little Podcast, brought to 1014 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: you by psc n G Energy Efficiency for game time 1015 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: and anytime. 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