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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about another dumb TikTok challenge, an unusual

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Speaker 1: cause of death in a young girl who fell off

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Speaker 1: of a boat and died, the most random reason to

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Speaker 1: stab someone, another person pretending to be a healthcare professional,

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Speaker 1: and a dad who has oral sex.

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Speaker 2: All that and more on Toddy's.

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Speaker 1: Episode, Let's talk about this stupid ass TikTok challenge.

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Speaker 3: All right, So this trend started after this resurface photo

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Speaker 3: of Nicki Minaj from a twenty thirteen music video came out.

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Speaker 3: So basically what the trend is is you wear high

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Speaker 3: heels and you squat and then you put one leg

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Speaker 3: over the other and you see how long you can balance.

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Speaker 3: So everybody's doing crazy stuff. I saw one where this

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Speaker 3: woman was on her stiletto high heels, standing on two

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Speaker 3: bottles of like botox, like the vials, balancing on those,

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Speaker 3: and then people are trying to you know, be on books,

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Speaker 3: on their countertops whatever. I guess the challenge is to

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Speaker 3: see the smallest object you could basically balance on. So

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Speaker 3: this Russian influencer was seemingly trying to balance on a

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Speaker 3: container of it looked like baby formula right and on

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Speaker 3: top of.

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Speaker 2: Her because she's and she's two months postpartum by the way.

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Speaker 3: She just gave birth to a baby eight weeks before this,

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Speaker 3: so she's trying to balance on top of this baby formula.

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Speaker 3: She falls off of her countertop and ends up breaking

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Speaker 3: her spine.

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Speaker 1: This is like the dumbest shit. I've been seeing these

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Speaker 1: photos all over and I'm just like, do you have

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Speaker 1: a life, Like, seriously, no.

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Speaker 2: It's it's really lame. It's just really lame.

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Speaker 1: And think about like when you have a you have

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Speaker 1: a baby, you have a two month old baby in

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Speaker 1: your life after having a baby, and like you're concerned

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Speaker 1: about making a video putting on a para stilettos and

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Speaker 1: balancing on a baby formula a container like it's it's

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Speaker 1: kind of loser vibes. You know.

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Speaker 3: What's concerning for me is that most of the videos

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Speaker 3: I've seen are at doctor's offices with the staff doing them.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're saying someone balanced on botox files, like that's

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Speaker 1: clearly a photoshopped image, Like you wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 2: That like, how would you do that on two vials? Like,

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Speaker 2: that's not even possible.

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Speaker 3: No, I know. So a lot of people are doing

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Speaker 3: green screen versions of it, and they're just generating so,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're all the videos I've seen are generating

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Speaker 3: so much engagement, so I guess everybody doing it is

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Speaker 3: getting a big plus from it.

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Speaker 1: So, so now this mother of a of a two

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Speaker 1: month old baby has a compression fracture of the vertebral

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Speaker 1: body or her backbone, and now has to be in

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Speaker 1: excruciating pain and heal from this while she's trying to

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Speaker 1: take care of a newborn child. It's just like, and

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Speaker 1: you look at it. When you watch the video of

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Speaker 1: her doing it, You're like, oh, she fell surprised.

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Speaker 2: Shocker.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've seen a bunch of like outtake videos too

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Speaker 3: of people falling, and I'm just like, of course, you

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Speaker 3: fel like, look at what you're balancing on. It's not

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Speaker 3: even possible.

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Speaker 2: The Internet it just makes people so dumb.

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Speaker 3: It really does. I mean, I don't see this trend

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Speaker 3: ending soon because I keep seeing new videos every single

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Speaker 3: day of people just taking it to the next extreme,

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Speaker 3: or like you're saying, people using green screens to make

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Speaker 3: it look like they're balancing on something really smart.

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Speaker 1: I actually have more respect for the people that are

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Speaker 2: Trying to do it.

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Speaker 1: It just seems it just seems so ridiculous and such

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Speaker 1: a waste of everyone's time. All right, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: this is a this is a good story to learn from, actually,

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Speaker 1: and this is a real sad story. It is so

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Speaker 1: this eleven year old was on a boat with her

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Speaker 1: family and then suddenly she fell off. They didn't find

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Speaker 1: turns out that she had carbon monoxide poisoning, which made

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a really unusual cause of death. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: an eleven year old is pretty healthy, and I guess

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Speaker 1: we could be asking the question as to why she

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Speaker 1: wasn't wearing a life vest, right. I know that Corney

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Speaker 1: Kardashian had posted a photo this week being in a

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Speaker 1: just never ever learn. They always are posting their pictures

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Speaker 1: life jackets on, and everyone in the comment section never

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Speaker 1: fails like rips them a new one and is just like,

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Speaker 1: why doesn't your kid have a life fest on inside

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Speaker 2: Right? So this kid was eleven years.

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Speaker 1: Old and should have had a life fest on, which

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Speaker 1: would have saved her life, because even if she ended

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Speaker 1: be alive today. So that's an important lesson number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, I think a lot of people assume that

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Speaker 1: out in the open like that, and that simply isn't true.

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Speaker 1: It's just more likely to happen in an enclosed space.

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Speaker 1: So it's the same you hear all the time people

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Speaker 1: either accidentally die or dying by suicide by being in

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Speaker 1: a garage with the car on. Right, Because the carbon

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Speaker 1: monoxide accumulates in a confined space. Well, if you're on

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Speaker 1: motor is emitting carbon oxide and you're sitting close to

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Speaker 1: it long enough, all of the air that you're breathing

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Speaker 1: in is not filled with oxygen. It's filled with carbon monoxide.

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Speaker 1: So what happens is normally you should have about like

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Speaker 1: twenty one percent of oxygen in the air that you're

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Speaker 1: breathing in, and then the less and less of that

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Speaker 1: asphyxia it's called, and that's when something else is getting

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Speaker 1: breathed in besides oxygen. So when you breathe in oxygen,

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting actually at autopsy because when that oxygen

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Speaker 1: gets released off of the cells when you die, you

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Speaker 1: get live remortis, which is when the blood in your

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Speaker 1: And in a normal, a normal death that's not carbon

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Speaker 1: monoxide that will give a purple appearance, and that's because

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Speaker 1: But in a carbon monoxide death, when those red blood

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, doing an autopsy on someone that

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Speaker 1: also test it in the blood as well to confirm it.

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Speaker 1: So they determine that she had this carbon monoxide poisoning.

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Speaker 1: that with Malcolm Jamal Warner in the past, that drowning

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Speaker 1: is not always a true diagnosis. But you always say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: why why did someone drown? Why were they incapacitated? Was

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, why do you think it took so long to

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Speaker 1: Typically in situations like that when a person goes overboard,

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Speaker 1: like they'll eventually find it. Because what happens is once

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Speaker 3: It's just really sad. And then I saw that a

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Speaker 3: couple other people on the boat were also treated for

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Speaker 3: carbon monoxide poisoning too, So it's is it not fatal then?

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Speaker 2: But it can't.

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Speaker 1: It's not always fatal, and unfortunately it's it's usually just

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Speaker 1: But I think any parent that's on the boat with

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Speaker 1: most people just would think you're safe. It's the same

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Speaker 1: like a fire risk, I'm sure. But being outside you

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Speaker 1: so there's just lots of different things, and then you

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Speaker 3: A news broke that owners of Baaladna Bakery and Patterson,

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Speaker 3: They can't just let that go. My question for you

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Speaker 1: then I can't be a PA anymore. Right, So I

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Speaker 1: initially passed my PA test in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: If I never recertified, like I could sit there and

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Speaker 1: say I'm a certified PA, but like I haven't, but

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Speaker 1: like I'm not. Like if I don't recertify, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a PA anymore. I have to take the test again.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think it was more work for her to

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Speaker 3: obtain a fake license than to just take the test

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Speaker 3: and try to pass.

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Speaker 2: I don't well, I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they're saying that, they're saying that

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Speaker 1: she finished nursing school but didn't take the test yet,

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Speaker 1: but I think that when they looked back, it was like, no,

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Speaker 1: she never did that. She was just a nursing assistant.

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Speaker 1: So no, I mean nursing school. Nursing school is hard,

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Speaker 1: and she just didn't want to go through it. I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious what made her coworker start looking into it.

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Speaker 1: And also it's kind of I mean, what was she

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Speaker 1: good or did she suck? And it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: crazy to think that a person that was only a

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Speaker 1: nursing assistant was able to pull off being an RN

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Speaker 1: and know everything to do without having any major screw

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Speaker 1: ups that we know of at this point.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe she sucked and that's why the coworker was like,

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Speaker 3: what the if she's getting this promotion and she's not

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Speaker 3: even good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am curious about that, so maybe we'll hear

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Speaker 1: more about that.

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Speaker 3: So she was arrested for seven counts of practicing as

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Speaker 3: a healthcare professional without a license and seven counts of

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Speaker 3: fraudulent loose use of personal identification. She's being held on

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Speaker 3: a seventy thousand dollars bond.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get she gets more of a bond than the

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Speaker 1: lady we were talking about in the Gross Room Live

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Speaker 1: episode that provided her child with ammunition to do a

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Speaker 1: school shooting and pointed a gun in her baby's face.

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Speaker 1: Like it's really like she wasn't her bond forty five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean everybody should go listen

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Speaker 3: to that, because we really broke it down. Because Shakra

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Speaker 3: that he was in the news again, and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: she will be for the foreseeable future. All Right, let's

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Speaker 3: wrap up with this story about this man who was

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Speaker 3: shaving and noticed a large lump in his throat which

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Speaker 3: was about the size of an egg. He said he

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Speaker 3: but just attributed those things to being tired from going

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Speaker 3: to the gym and getting older. After about two weeks, however,

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Speaker 3: doctor and was shocked at what they told him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this article is a titled Dad Shocked to

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Speaker 1: discover oral sex causes his throat cancer. So this we

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Speaker 1: did a really good celebrity death dissection on this very

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Speaker 1: topic with Val Kilmore because as you remember, he died

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Speaker 1: from throat cancer to and his throat cancer started. So

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Speaker 1: the throat has like a lot of different anatomy going

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Speaker 1: on there. There is the base of the tongue, which

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Speaker 1: is where Val Kilmore's was, but you also have the

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Speaker 1: tonsils and other organs that are susceptible to change it

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Speaker 1: from the HPV virus. So you know, most commonly with women,

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Speaker 1: we think about HPV is like a PAPS mirror and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and cervical cancer is the big one

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Speaker 1: that we always talk about, but you could also get

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Speaker 1: throw cancer. Both males and females can get throw cancer

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Speaker 1: from the same HPV virus and you get the virus

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Speaker 1: the same way, which is sexually transmitted.

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Speaker 2: So when we think of.

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Speaker 1: HPV, it's a virus human papalonavirus.

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Speaker 2: It causes warts.

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Speaker 1: Right, the strain of the virus that causes us to

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Speaker 1: have warts is not the one that is the concern.

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Speaker 1: It's the strain that is the high risk ones. So

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Speaker 1: HPV just kind of sucks in general because I mean,

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Speaker 1: most people that get the infection, no matter where it

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Speaker 1: is on their body, their immune system kind of takes

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Speaker 1: care of it and that's the end of it and

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Speaker 1: you don't really get any kind of problems with it.

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Speaker 1: But for the ones that do get problems with it,

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Speaker 1: it's either you have a low risk strain and you

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Speaker 1: get like disfigurine warts, or you have a high restrains

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Speaker 1: and you could get pre cancer cells that eventually turn

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Speaker 1: into cancer. So what happens is you get exposure to

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Speaker 1: the virus and if it is that high risk strain,

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Speaker 1: it causes atypical changes in the cells that over time

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Speaker 1: can turn into cancer. And fortunately for females with PAP

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Speaker 1: smerrors and testing and now we could do DNA testing

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Speaker 1: for paps, we could really eliminate cases that get to

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Speaker 1: full blown cancer because you could see changes in the

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Speaker 1: cells early on, or you could tell if a woman

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Speaker 1: is at high risk for one of the higher restraints

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Speaker 1: that are likely to turn into pre cancers and then

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Speaker 1: cancerous changes. But for the throat there's no screening right now,

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Speaker 1: so it's like you kind of have to wait till

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Speaker 1: the cancer pops up to treat it.

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Speaker 2: And we hear this.

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Speaker 1: Commonly that especially in men, like they're shaving and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden they feel like the lump in

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Speaker 1: their throat and they go and they have like tonsile

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Speaker 1: cancer that's caused by HPV virus or valcolm or had

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Speaker 1: base of tongue cancers something like in that general area.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is is that when you have

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Speaker 1: an HPV positive cancer in the throat, they respond well

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Speaker 1: to treatment and it usually won't kill a person. But

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Speaker 1: having throat cancer is not fun, especially if you have

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Speaker 1: to get radiation and stuff, because it could just really

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Speaker 1: affect the way that you taste things for the rest

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Speaker 1: of your life. And I mean that could be just

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Speaker 1: terrible in itself. It could cause weight loss and just pain, numbness,

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Speaker 1: and there's other complications that you could get with that

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Speaker 1: kind of a treatment. I just thought this article was

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Speaker 1: written very interesting, just saying like this dad was frisky

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Speaker 1: in his twenties and having all this oral sex, and well.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the way it was written was that

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Speaker 3: he was being frisky as of late, but they were

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Speaker 3: saying that the biopsy suggested he could have contracted it

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Speaker 3: up to forty years before the diagnosed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what that's what happens. And now

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Speaker 1: we're coming you know, first it was like when you

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Speaker 1: were thinking about all these head and neck cancers like that,

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Speaker 1: it was always, at least when I was in school

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Speaker 1: years ago, twenty five years ago, it was always just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is like an alcohol tobacco thing. And now it's like,

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Speaker 1: we're finding that more of those cancers from the throat

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Speaker 1: are actually caused by HPV virus. They're saying up to

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of these cancers are caused by HPV virus,

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Speaker 1: not from from having from smoking or drinking alcohol.

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Speaker 3: It's super interesting. I feel like they're always drilling into

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Speaker 3: girls the possibility that they could have issues with this,

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Speaker 3: but not really telling guys as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, No, they do now though, because they offer the

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Speaker 1: HPV vaccine to boys as well, because they.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's and obviously there's like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: controversy with those things too. But they definitely they do

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Speaker 1: screening and men too, Like gay men can get anal

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Speaker 1: screening because you kids, it also could cause anal cancer too,

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Speaker 1: so it but I mean like we most commonly hear it.

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Speaker 2: With with the paps mirror.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, guys, don't forget to check out crime

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Speaker 3: Kind because we will be there. And gosh, I feel

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Speaker 3: like we're leaving in like only three weeks.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 1: Like I have to figure out what I'm wearing. It's

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Speaker 1: like that's the part that's stressing me out. It was like, first,

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Speaker 1: get on the lecture, Okay, that's done. Now what am

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Speaker 1: I wearing?

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Speaker 3: I really got to figure out what I'm wearing.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I just realized it was three weeks away, and I'm like, God,

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Speaker 3: that's gonna come up really quick.

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Speaker 1: We're in like the order window if we're gonna hit

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Speaker 1: anything online.

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Speaker 3: No, totally, all right, Well, I guess when we're wrapping

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Speaker 3: up this, I know what I'm doing this afternoon. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't forget to check out Crime Kind.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. And I don't know if everybody saw,

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Speaker 2: but iced Tea is coming. That's gonna be so. You

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Speaker 2: know what's funny.

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Speaker 1: So Cheryl's podcast Zone seven. We were on Zone seven

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Speaker 1: and Cheryl's been on our podcast a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: She got nominated for an award. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: this like an award dinner, the Clue Award, the Clure

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Speaker 1: the Clue Awards. And then I said to her like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to be in the audience to be

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Speaker 1: cheering for you when you win. And then she's like, oh, honey, me,

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Speaker 1: you and Iced Tea in a room is going to

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Speaker 1: be I don't know what she said, just in her way.

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Speaker 1: I was just like she I love her, and I

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Speaker 1: hope we get to meet iced Tea because he's so cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is gonna nice, so like to bump

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Speaker 3: into Coco in the in the.

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Speaker 2: Hallway or something.

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Speaker 3: Ricky's so mad now that he's not going because he's.

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Speaker 2: Like, that's on my birthday.

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Speaker 3: And I could have bet iced Tea like sorry, dude,

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Speaker 3: can't can't always live de luxe life with all these

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Speaker 1: You know what I was actually just thinking, But it's

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Speaker 1: it's good that Mariska Hargoty isn't going to be there

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Speaker 1: because I'm talking about her in my celebrity death lecture.

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Speaker 1: Oh that probably probably, yeah, probably would be frowned upon.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you next episode. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to My Death. As a reminder, my training is

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