WEBVTT - 021024 The Horror Stories of Trumpism (Part 1) 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:02.840 Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.560 I'd like to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.280 where our mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.360 I am your host, Ramsey's job. He is Ramsey's job. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.560 I am kward. You are tuned into Civic Cipher did 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.520 you are? And there's a lot for you to stay 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.680 tuned for as usual, because. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.040 Today we're going to be talking about some interesting stories. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.000 Is going to be kind of like a true crime 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.320 episode for us. Those are those are popular, so hopefully 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.920 I bet all of our episodes are true crime. Yeah 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.080 that's that's fair. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.879 But this this one is gonna get a little little ruesome, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:37.400 So buckle in. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.120 We have to talk about. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.440 The truth of the matter is that, you know, we 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.800 talked a lot on the show about how trump Ism 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.919 is kind of like a cult, and today we have 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.360 some examples to help flesh that out. You'll hear what 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.160 I'm talking about in just a second, but the short 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.440 version of it is that there's a story that broke. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.120 Recently of a young man who. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.480 Took his father's life because his father was a Joe 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.240 Biden supporter or not a Trump supporter, you know, either way, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:14.840 the Trump fanaticism has gone far enough for us to 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.600 have evidence to show exactly what we're talking about, and 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:20.200 so stay tuned. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.080 We're going to be able to kind of help paint 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:22.720 that picture for you. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.479 We're also going to spend some time talking about black 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.440 unemployment rates, and we learned recently the black unemployment rates 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:35.559 since the data started getting collected, have consistently been double 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:41.160 that of white unemployment rates. And despite the positive momentum 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.679 in the economy, as of late, black people still lag 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.120 behind white people in terms of employment rates. And we're 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.040 going to talk about that in the implications exactly what 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.920 that means. Yes, sir, and we have a whole lot 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.960 more to talk about as well. You're definitely gonna want 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.560 to hear our way Black History fact, because if you 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.760 haven't heard of the Green Book, you're in for a treat. 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.920 But before we get there, let's discuss some of many excellents, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.040 shall we? I think we shall? I think you shall. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.720 This week's EBNY Excellence brought to you by Actively Black. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.800 There is greatness in our DNA. Visit actively black dot com. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:19.880 This story from Sports Illustrated Detroit's own Terrence mathis ma 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.320 I'm smiling bigger inside than I am outside. Just excessively 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.600 proud of my big bro. Morehouse College announced the appointment 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.680 of Terrence Mathis as the new head coach of the 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.280 Maroon Tigers football team. A former NFL star and accomplished 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.480 coach recently inducted into the twenty twenty three College Football 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.400 Hall of Fame class, Mathis brings a wealth of experience 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.480 and a passion for the game that will undoubtedly inspire 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.320 the team to new heights. Morehouse College presidents said in 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.560 a quote, it is my pleasure to extend a warm 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.840 welcome to our football coach. Former NFL Pro and College 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.960 Football Hall of Famer Terrence Mathis a leader who I'm 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.839 bodies the spirit of teamwork, dedication, and excellence. I look 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.240 forward to watching Coach Maths take our program to new 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.880 heights and establish winning football culture within Morehouse College athletics. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.520 I have had the privilege of being not just a fan, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.480 but you know, almost family too. Brother Terrence Mathis, for 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.280 you know, three fourths of my life. Got to look 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.560 up to him when I was an aspiring football player 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.119 and just got to watch the man he was off 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.520 the field, be it the work that he did to 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.240 help our church, to the work that he did to 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.720 help me personally, so to Terrence, to his family, we 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.160 are excessively proud of you here at Civic Cipher, and 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.320 please believe we will be in Atlanta at some games 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.920 this year. I guarantee to the whole Morehouse College family, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.200 the House as they call it, and all of my 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.760 friends and family members that are alum and supporters of 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.680 Morehouse and Spelman and really the whole movement of HBCUs, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.720 especially down in Atlanta, Georgia, we support you and we 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:56.640 are proud. Yeah. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.400 Man, that's that's a big deal. So there's our any 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.080 excellence for you. Now let's get. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:10.520 Graphic. Yeah, that's why I apologize in advance. But that's 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:10.800 the way. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.080 Yeah, that's we we live graphic lives over here. And 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.359 you know you've opted to join us for this ride. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.040 So I'm gonna share again a recent story. This comes 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.400 from ABC News, and I want us to listen to 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.520 this story and bear in mind that we're we're talking 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.719 about Trump supporters primarily, but these are our countrymen and 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.359 country women. They are still our brothers and sisters. This 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.040 is what we we know. It's not always easy to 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.280 get along with your brothers and sisters. But we maintain 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.640 that these people are our brothers and sisters. What we're 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.080 trying to point out is the fanaticism and the cult 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:55.680 like behavior that is prevalent within the ranks of the Trump. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.200 Movement, the Maga community. There you go, Maga community. That's 0:04:59.200 --> 0:04:59.839 a better way to say it. 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.880 So let's try to listen and be understanding and know 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.239 that no matter what, everybody suffers from a human condition. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:09.720 Right. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:16.680 But these outliers certainly helped tell a story about the 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:22.520 culture within the Maga movement, the type of environment that 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.000 could breed these outliers. The environment is toxic to even 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.279 breed folks that behave like this. So the first story 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.920 we're in a share comes from ABC News. A thirty 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.280 two year old Pennsylvania man is accused of decapitating his 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.640 father and then making threats against federal officials in a 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.280 video posted online. Following the gruesome murder, officers responded to 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.919 reports of a deceased man in his sixties at a 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.800 home in Middleton Township Tuesday night. Lisaid the victim, Michael Mohn, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.640 was found dead in a bathroom by his wife. According 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.880 to the police criminal complaint, victim had been decapitated, and 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.320 a machete and large kitchen knife were found at the scene, 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.159 according to the The video posted to YouTube shows Justin 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.880 Mohan wearing rubber gloves that had been observed at the 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.440 crime scene while saying that his father is now in 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.599 health for all eternity and the video reviewed by ABC News, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.159 the suspect, who says his father was a federal employee, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.839 refers to the federal government as the enemy and makes 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.479 threatening statements against federal agents, judges, and other federal employees. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.520 The suspect also states that President Joe Biden is no 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.840 longer in power and refers to himself as the acting president. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.720 So first thing I want to say here is clearly 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.720 there's some mental health problem. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.760 Yeah, he's we can say he's unfit. Yeah he's mentally 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.320 yeah yeah, absolutely right. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:42.960 So this is not I don't want to paint all 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.360 MAGA people with that same brush. But what I want 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.480 to do is use this story in some other stories 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.680 to illuminate again the toxicity that is prevalent. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.440 And the aggressive. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:02.080 Language and energy that is very present in that camp. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:07.080 It's an ideology, it's identity politics. I think you and 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.600 I have had conversations on air and oft. I've voted 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.480 since I was eighteen. I've never flown the flag of 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.440 that person from my home as sign of them in 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.960 my living room. I don't start conversations with strangers defending 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.040 decisions that they make right. I vote as is my 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.400 civic duty. I hope for the best outcome, but I 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:35.960 have not indoctrinated myself passionately to following, supporting, or loving 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.480 the people who I have elect to public office. And 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:45.400 the identity ideology and almost religious cult like politics that 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.600 the MAGA supporters subscribe to is a bit different than 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.920 anything I've seen in my lifetime. There's a grouping of 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.960 politicians in a singular way as all bad and sure, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:03.640 but he is an outlier, and the way his base follows, supports, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:09.200 and loves him is also not normal, not normal behavior 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.200 that I've observed from people who are just running for 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.120 political office. I think back to when I was a kid. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.320 My mother had coworkers who did not vote the same 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.320 way that she did. But the day after the election, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.440 they were not fighting about the outcome of it. They 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.360 went back to work there January sixth. Yeah, there was 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.760 no They didn't become enemies because they cast a different 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.760 vote from each other. They still cared about us, her children, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.160 She still cared about their kids. They were still friends 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:42.480 at work. Right, So this, this identifying as the candidate 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.280 you support, is something that's new and something that's different 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.680 and something that's dangerous, as these stories will likely illuminate. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.160 Yeah, yeah, and there's something else here too. So one 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.160 of the things I read I read an article recently 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.840 and the conclusion there was a conclusion drawn from some 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.440 data in terms of people and personality traits that they 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.520 find endearing in terms. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:08.720 Of like who they vote for whatever. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.040 And one of the things that was true across the 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.199 board that was even more prevalent or more pronounced than race, 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.160 socioeconomic background, blah blah blah whatever that really angered a 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:25.679 person to Trump was they really liked the authoritarianism. They 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.839 like that character trait in there, like his. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.839 Almost fake macho man. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.640 There you go exactly. Now here's the thing. I was 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.120 also watching something recently, and I think it was Trevor 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.280 Noah was talking about this, and I know that you'll 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.480 appreciate this because you've been all over the world just 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.760 like I have. He was saying, you know what, it's 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:53.319 weird because in other countries they elect their officials very reluctantly, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.400 and then they criticized them the whole time, like even 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.160 if they voted for them, and they plan on voting 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.840 for them, movie should exactly exactly, And they're they're critical 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.640 like places like France, places like you know, any any place. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.400 That we would consider like first world. You know, they're 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.120 and it's almost unfair to say that they're critical, Right 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.800 that I'd assume because I've lived in multiple countries, but 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.720 I've never participated in the politics there. One because I couldn't, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.480 two because the reasons why I left here would not 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.440 have me go somewhere else to sign up for the 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:30.760 same fights. Right. But the criticism is often just them 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.680 holding this person responsible for the promises they made while 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.440 trying to be elected. It's not like, hey, you're awful, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.240 it's hey, you said you were going to do X, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.679 Y Z ABC and we're still waiting on a so, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:46.640 so watch this. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:53.560 The difference with Donald Trump specifically is that a lot 0:10:53.559 --> 0:11:01.360 of his supporters, most post to all, are not critical 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:06.960 of him. They will either willfully ignorant or they will 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.439 turn the blind eye to. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.199 Even their own hipocrisy and even to their own detriment 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.080 and to do things to actively harm them. Yeah, they 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.400 will support him. So watch this. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.440 You know, I mentioned January sixth. When people try to, 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.679 like you said, they try to say all the politicians 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.880 are the same. I can't think of a politician ever 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.400 who could have pulled a January sixth and got that 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.520 many people to come and then fight and then there 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:34.680 were people even died. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.440 And then in the wake of it wipe his hands 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:38.959 like he had nothing to do with it. He's like, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.880 if you let me again, I'll pardon them. Outside of that, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.160 I say that he has no problem with it, and 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.040 most of his supporters celebrated like it was a holiday, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.920 even though they were taking up arms against their own 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.880 country government while raising their fist in the name of patriotism. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.959 Sure, and so well again, I'm going to make another 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:07.240 point after I tell this next story. But I feel 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:12.439 like that is critical because knowing that Trump exists beyond 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:17.240 the scope of what a politician should be and there's 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.680 this cult like following that is toxic and breeds outliers 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.439 like this is something that we need to be aware 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.520 of when we're approaching people, you know, and talking to 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:31.000 them and kind of doing our best to reaffirm our 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.760 humanity in front of them and reaffirm their humanity to themselves, Like, Yo, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.640 you're a person on a planet we need to save, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.160 and we share this planet with each other and animals, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.400 and you know what I mean. Like, it's not just 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.360 you can't have that way of thinking, and so knowing 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.240 kind of what breeds this type of thinking, I think 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.840 is important in terms of developing strategies to have effective 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.280 conversations with these Right. So this next story, we're going 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:57.880 to go back a little bit. But this the first 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:04.680 story I told you about the guide taking his father's life. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.679 I don't want to rehash all the groups of details. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.960 I'm not a true crime fan guy, but that story 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.720 reminded me of another story, and this is a sad 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.280 story as well, for different reasons I'll share. This is 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.679 from August twenty twenty one an NBC News article. A 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.200 California surfing school owner who was charged with killing his 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.800 two children in Mexico is a follower of QAnon and 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:34.440 Illuminati conspiracy theories who thought that the children were going 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.280 to grow into monsters, so he had to kill them. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:44.040 This is alleged by the federal officials that were investigating 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.600 this all right. Matthew Taylor Coleman, age forty, was charged 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.040 with foreign murder of US nationals in connection with the 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.840 death of his two year old son and his ten 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.000 month old daughter, according to the US Attorney's Office for 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.959 the Central District of California. Authority said Coleman confessed to 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.800 the killings and told the FBI that he used a 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.760 spearfishing gun to stab them. A criminal complaint alleged, oh children, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.080 by the way, Yeah, those were his kids. A criminal 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.920 complaint alleges that he told the FBI that he killed 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.840 his children because he believed they were quote going to 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:21.480 grow into monsters unquote, and that conspiracy theories led him 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.320 to believe that his wife had passed down her quote 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:29.240 serpent DNA quote to the children. Coleman's wife, identified only 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.880 by her initials, contacted Santa bar Repolice after her husband 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.320 had taken the kids out on a Saturday but didn't 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.560 tell her where they were going. The complaints set. She 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.920 grew concerned after he failed to respond to her messages, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.440 and knowing their husband didn't have a car seat with him, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.320 she called police. Now I'm going to spare the rest 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.080 of the story because it's very sad. But along the 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.000 short of it is that later in the article there's 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.280 a connection to the Trump camp and the far right, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.520 and then of course these qanons and all that sort 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.480 of stuff. Again the same sort of toxic reading ground 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:05.160 that breeds these sort of outliers. Now, before we decided 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.240 to make today's episode, and you can confirm with me, 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.720 because we built, you know, we build our episodes together 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:14.000 before we decide we're going to talk about, we were 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.080 looking for a third topic. Typically, you know, it's like 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.360 the rule of threes. Anybody who's working in show business 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.320 at all, you know the rule of threes. You want 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.040 to have three elements to kind of had to make 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.920 a point or at whatever they could get a laugh 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.760 out of people, whatever it. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.040 Is that you're trying to do. So we're looking for a. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:35.479 Third example that kind of illuminates the sort of outliers 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.560 that that toxic primordial oose. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.080 And sadly, we had way more than three to choose. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.440 And that's what I was going to say. Sadly, that's 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.800 what I didn't. I didn't mean to cut no, no, no, no, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.480 no no, we just said we googled it. Yeah, that's 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.040 just the idea if if you google Trump supporter or 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.400 support or arrested, there are way too many results we 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.720 could have done. We could do a series of shows 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.720 based on just those results, reading those stories and kind 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:12.320 of going through the tribalist identity zell it like ideology 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.680 of supporters of our former president, and stories like this 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.920 were not rare, Like these aren't the two that stood out. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:20.600 This is just what just. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.080 One happened today, and then one I remembered because he 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.560 said lizard people or something like that. Right now now 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.120 I'm going to piggyback onto that. So in the interest 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.160 of being fair, you know, we try to be journalists 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.000 on this show as best we can, and we try 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.240 to preserve a degree of journalistic integrity here on Civic Cipher. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.920 We felt like it might be meaningful for us to 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:55.920 google Biden's supporter arrested, and I'm going to be truthful. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:01.160 You can find examples of that. Have to dig very 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:09.280 very deep. I went to find please Obama supporters arrested, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.199 just because I know that. You know, Obama was a 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.879 popular more popular president, and there are examples of that. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.600 But you have to go very very deep when you 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.200 google Trump supporter arrested. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.280 Do those searchers yourself, so you don't have to take 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.840 our word for it. And it's this, listen, this. This 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.520 is not a discussion as to whether or not people 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.440 Obama and Biden supporters do criminal or otherwise evil things. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.120 The difference is most of us. I'll use myself as 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:42.520 an example. Don't identify as supporter of anyone. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.439 And know would I commit any arrestable act in their 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:46.640 naticker on my car. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.560 There's no flag waving for my porch. And I will 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.760 not fight you to support any of them. I will 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.720 not take issue with you in support of any of them, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.320 especially people that I know and cares about. I had 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.359 personal friends of mine take issue with draw a line 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.000 and divide themselves from me because I didn't support Donald Trump. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.399 That's such a strange thing. I don't know him. I 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.960 don't He doesn't know the people who argued and fought 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.640 with me on his behalf, and if you ever let him, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.840 never care about them, and it has not done anything 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.280 on purpose to help them. Right now, if he put 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.199 a fire out on a building he owned and you 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.320 just so happened to live there, that was not to 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.879 save your life. As the best way that I can 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.919 kind of paint that picture. He's not that type of 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.600 human being. I don't care about the type of politician 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.679 that he is, right, because if we're rating politicians, then 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.600 the argument that people make that they're very much the 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.560 same in a way, in the way that they're out 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.720 for self more than their constituents, I'd agree with you, right, 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.720 but very much the same in the way that they 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:52.880 very very intentionally look to divide and destroy. I don't know, 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.720 I don't know, I don't well, I do know it's 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.359 not the truth that our former president was different in 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.960 a way than really any other president in my lifetime, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:09.160 and his ability to motivate and inspire the worst of us. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.840 So this is what I'm trying to say here. So 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.320 I'm glad you said that. Watch this. You know, I 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.439 said it briefly, but I didn't want to talk over you. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:26.680 It would be inconceivable to commit a criminal act in 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.959 the name of a politician that I'd never met before. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.640 It would be inconceivable for me to commit a criminal 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.120 act in anybody's name unless I was related to them 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:38.840 and they needed to. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.160 Really start a real argument with in the name of Obama. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.520 Like that, he's cool, but like I mean, like, if 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.359 you got a point, you got a point, that's it, right. 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.320 But what I'm I think what we're saying here is 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.679 that because of these really extreme. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:03.080 Uh people like it's their their identity almost like you know, 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.639 Maga twenty twenty, you'll see it on their profile and 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.560 it's zealot like man. And the thing is, it's okay 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.280 to be excited about a candidate. It's okay to tope, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.679 be hopeful that the country is going to go in 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.639 a direction that you value. Right, those things, they matter. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.000 But at a point, because of these outliers, these stories, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.200 this man beheading his own father because he's not going 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.840 to vote for Donald Trump, you know, this man taking 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.359 his kids lives because he really sincerely believes in the 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.880 QAnon conspiracy theories that Donald Trump is the real president 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:39.600 and blah. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:40.639 Blah, this and the third. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:42.800 You know, at a point you have to look at 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.320 this as a Trump supporter and say, you know what, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.560 maybe there is some kool aid that we're drinking. And 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.879 that's not the worst thing in the world. Because human 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:57.560 beings are susceptible to propaganda. It's not irredeemable, it's not 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.360 there's always a path back. You know what, I mean, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.440 like you started this by saying, these are our brothers 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.080 and these are our sisters, even if it's a tough 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:09.160 relationship that we have to maintain, that we we cute 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.320 Ward and Ramse's jaw have resolved to being the brothers 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.639 of the people that we discussed on the radio. Right, 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.800 We're going to be your brothers no matter what. That 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.640 doesn't mean that you're going to get off, you know, Scott. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.280 Free over here. We're gonna we're gonna tell you about yourself. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.680 But yeah, but we won't. We have not decided that 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.560 you are less than in any way because of the 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.680 way that you love, because of the way that you pray, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.640 and absolutely not because of the way that you vote. Right, 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.560 We just would love to have more in the way 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.960 of empathetic conversations with an actual open mind and not 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.359 be so determined to prove each other wrong and to 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.640 other and make enemies of each other because we don't 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.600 share the same politics. I think that's insane. Yeah. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.800 Now, one of the things that is very true is 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.639 that you know, for those of you that follow us 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.240 on social media, which, by the way, follow us on 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.240 social media at Civic Cipher, at Civic Cipher, again, you 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.920 might notice that we have a comment section that's full 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.359 of people that hate us. Don't they don't have to 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.159 say it with no colorful language. They have these file 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:19.200 things in the comment section. I disconnected myself as a 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.560 administrator of our page because I don't do so well 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:27.120 with hundreds or thousands of evil, hateful, negative comments which 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.159 grow them back in eventually. But yeah, yeah, I know 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.560 what you mean. But the fact of the matter is 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:35.160 that we and that's that's I think that's a lesson 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.440 that we're learning in real time. We have to maintain 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.720 that these are people that we're trying to reach. These 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.080 are people that we feel could be lost, could have 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.399 drank the kool aid, could be susceptible to getting sucked 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:52.720