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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Mister Zaren Burnett.

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Speaker 3: What up, Elizabeth Clyde Dunne, How you doing? I'm doing

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Speaker 3: pretty well girl. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm all right? Uh listen here. What's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes? The Sultan or Brunei's car collection. Oh have you

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Speaker 3: ever heard about this? No, he's got like seven thousand

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Speaker 3: cars and they're.

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Speaker 2: All seven thousand cars and.

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Speaker 3: None of them are cheap. They're all super luxury cars,

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Speaker 3: a lot of custom cars. He's got, like you know,

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Speaker 3: McLaren's Rolls Royce Ferraris in particular, though Bentley's like not.

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Speaker 3: The guy has got like the world record collection again,

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Speaker 3: his book for World Records for numerous bits of like

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Speaker 3: oh I've got the most Rolls Royce or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: his Bentley collection is the one I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about because this dude buys so many custom Bentley's. They

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Speaker 3: have their own like team making Bentley's for him, like

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Speaker 3: his own factory dedicated to making custom Bentley's. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: he buys so many Bentley's that he saved Bentley from bankruptcy.

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Speaker 3: No way, yes, like one person, one by insight. It's insane,

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Speaker 3: all right. And then like, of course there's all you know,

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Speaker 3: there's we should probably talk about it because there's like

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Speaker 3: some crime apparently in the Brunei Investment Agency, you know,

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Speaker 3: like there's some oil price irregularities and like, oh pricelet

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Speaker 3: me down. We lost a bunch of that got caught embezzling.

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Speaker 3: So this car collection ain't clean, right, I could probably

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Speaker 3: look into it. But whatever there it is, it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: How ridiculous? Is that?

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Speaker 2: Very ridiculous? Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: God?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was afraid i'd have to ask.

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Speaker 2: You criming so that your dog can live forever? That

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Speaker 2: me too. This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free one ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of groups that I pick on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're the aggressive one, not.

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Speaker 2: Me, I know, or rather like that I dismiss, or

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Speaker 2: like roll my eyes at Yeah, it's not really. I

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Speaker 2: am trying to get better about that.

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Speaker 3: You have been? Yeah, no more. The the spring, summer

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Speaker 3: and fall of.

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Speaker 2: Dark Yeah, it's like whatever. I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: season it is. I don't know what day it is,

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Speaker 2: But these people they're not. They're not, for the most part,

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Speaker 2: hurting anybody, and me being judgy doesn't accomplish anything. No,

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Speaker 2: although I will say that if someone gets all twisted

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Speaker 2: up about something I say and then they send us

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Speaker 2: like a message or they write a review about it,

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Speaker 2: maybe my comments hit a little close to home and

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Speaker 2: they need to self reflect. Yeah, if you're one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent about what you do, then my comments shouldn't matter

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying not to be just water off a

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Speaker 2: duck's back exactly. So a group that is ripe for

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Speaker 2: the picking.

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Speaker 3: Sure in my family and.

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Speaker 2: A common target of judgment.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it is my family, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's vegans.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know that I got much of them.

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Speaker 2: Almost too easy with like the way that so many

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Speaker 2: of them proselytize about it.

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Speaker 3: It's like the whole how do you know someone's vegan?

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, they'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. People say, you know you don't want to

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Speaker 2: eat anything remotely from an animal, great, but like, leave

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Speaker 3: I just feel bad for them because they don't have

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Speaker 2: Oh they're missing out.

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Speaker 3: Weird that they have to suffer through.

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Speaker 2: You may be surprised to hear though, that I don't

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Speaker 3: I am surprised people get into it.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons. There's like hell, animal rights,

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Speaker 2: environmental issues, so people do it for like weight loss

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Speaker 2: or like the fad of it.

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Speaker 3: Totally, whatever you want to do, just don't make me vegan.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter why someone does something exactly. To that,

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Speaker 2: I say, who knows, who cares? Just don't try and make.

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Speaker 3: Me do it exactly.

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Speaker 2: I have friends who are vegans. Some of my best

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Speaker 2: friends are vegans. Well actually know they're not. But my

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Speaker 2: close friends are all like old school foodies. It's not

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Speaker 2: the kind that like take Instagram pictures of food and

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Speaker 3: And I got the vegan friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do that circus. Like my friends were

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Speaker 2: all the kind that go to like hunt down Italian

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Speaker 2: delis that sell more than three kinds of proscudo.

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Speaker 3: I gotta go out with you, Yeah, you gotta hang out.

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Speaker 2: With us a little bit more. But my vegan friends,

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Speaker 2: they're sincere about it. And what puzzles me are the

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Speaker 2: vegans who eat pretty much all processed, chemical food.

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Speaker 3: That's the irony. Yeah, because if you get into being

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Speaker 3: a vegan for your health and then you're actually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like vegan restaurants here in Oakland, and some

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure that's Healthier's true.

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Speaker 3: You can do like Indian like you know, South Asian

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Speaker 3: style vegan food. They've been doing it for a long time.

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Speaker 2: My vegan friends.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to try to make a burger American

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Speaker 3: style with cheese, forget forget it. They can't have chicken nuggets.

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Speaker 3: The people that.

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Speaker 2: I know, they don't eat fake meat or fake cheese.

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Speaker 2: And they, like I said, they eat a lot of

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Speaker 2: Indian food. If we're honest, there's a.

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Speaker 3: Bunch of venues that that just not the American diet

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Speaker 2: Don't talk about it. It's just something they do. Dad,

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Speaker 2: I love. So today I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 3: Oh really, a vegan crime, a vegan.

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Speaker 2: Who took things to not with veganism, but with crime.

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Speaker 3: Wait, a minute and a dog too, I remembered.

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Speaker 2: So, Saren, yes, I want you to meet Sarma mel Galis.

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Speaker 2: I could be saying that wrong.

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Speaker 3: You can try again if you want.

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Speaker 2: Melm Galis uh gaalless Yeah, okay. So she was born

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two in Massachusetts. Her dad was from

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Speaker 2: Mom was a professional chef. So she was like interested

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Speaker 2: in food. From the fascinating family, she went to UNI.

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Speaker 2: They were.

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Speaker 3: Their occupations seem interesting exactly.

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Speaker 2: She went to University of Pennsylvania studied economics. She got

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Speaker 2: So she gets a gig as an analyst at bear

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Speaker 2: Stearns in New York, and then she goes into private

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Speaker 2: equity at Bain Capital in Boston. This is great, you know,

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Speaker 2: like she's making a ton of money. But that wasn't

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Speaker 2: doing it for her goodness. She had to stand in

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, stand girls.

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Speaker 2: Stand there. So here's how she cared. Well, I'd always

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Speaker 2: loved food, and I gradually realized I wasn't passionate about

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Speaker 2: I went to the French Culinary Institute. So this is

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Speaker 2: No, she graduates from the French Culinary Institute New York

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Speaker 2: she and her then boyfriend, chef Matthew Kinney, they opened

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Speaker 2: a restaurant called Commissary in New York City.

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Speaker 3: New York City, Get a Pope.

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Speaker 2: They also they had this restaurant tour named Jeffrey Chodoro.

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Speaker 2: He was kicking in some money too. So this this Commissary,

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Speaker 2: it was an upscale vegan place. Okay, and this is

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Speaker 2: before like two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: Like a lunch counter style.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's and it was, but it's fancy vegan

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Speaker 2: and it's before vegan food had like super hit the mainstream.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, definitely not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So but she's like, you know what, I'm going

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love that girl. So the restaurant closed after two years,

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Speaker 3: There's also the factor you cannot control or react to faster.

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Speaker 2: I think she was ahead of her time quick possibly,

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Speaker 2: So commissary closes. Sarma goes to work for Jeffrey Chodoro's

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Speaker 2: year later. Look a look at her so in June

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, Sarma and her boyfriend and Chodro

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Speaker 2: they opened a place called Pure Food and Wine Pure

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Speaker 2: in Manhattan. Okay, not total wine more, it's pure food.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I imagine it has like a really cute.

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Speaker 2: Font probably and it wasn't just vegan, it was gourmet

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Speaker 2: raw vegan. Oh this means that nothing was heated about

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Speaker 3: Because she made it even harder. Yeah, she's like, what

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Speaker 3: am I taking my last business like increase the difference?

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Speaker 2: I start making cracks. No, I'm not, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: So the place was like super hip, very chic. Things

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Speaker 2: had changed in the culture in those few years, and

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Speaker 2: so veganism was becoming big. It's very very fashionable. Raw

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of models and influencer types are

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Speaker 3: going there exactly.

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Speaker 2: So it's this posh, high end restaurant serving raw vegan food.

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Speaker 2: There are no other places like it, and it's run

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Speaker 2: by this beautiful, stylish woman she kind of Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I'm interrupt, but you say raw vegan food.

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Speaker 3: So basically I'm just picturing like the produce section somebody

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Speaker 3: has like in the back, like pulled off some of

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Speaker 3: the like the corn husk, right and then just cut

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Speaker 3: the is and put on. It's like they're basically arrange food.

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Speaker 3: Then they may season of assaults and stuff, but like

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Speaker 3: they're just a food arrange.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a cheap kitchen.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. You can get this past your customers and charge

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So Sarma, she looks like Sianna Miller.

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Speaker 3: Okays the British ones JUNI.

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Speaker 2: So Sarma, she's now the queen of raw vegan cuisine.

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Speaker 2: Sarma figured that if she had a successful restaurant, she

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Speaker 2: That sounds good like Gwyneth Paltrow super goopy, goofy. So

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Speaker 2: Remember one Lucky Duck dot com.

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Speaker 2: She has like a duck tattoo. Like. Yeah. When she

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like purefood wine was suffering. Like they're still

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything suffering. So then she went out she did

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Speaker 2: It's a tell tale that there's something going on. So

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Speaker 2: You went everywhere with her.

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Speaker 3: No, I should have known when you snuck him in before.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get a little more Alec Baldwin, whether you

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Speaker 3: So Alec Baldwin, you know I've told you that I

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Speaker 3: I bet he needed that. It's also imagined somebody wants

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Speaker 3: And then she's apparently very absorbent based on how little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she kept it up. She still keeps it up,

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Speaker 2: Now she and Alex, who have like two dozen kids,

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Speaker 2: And then there's the bread and circuses of it all.

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Speaker 2: This seems to be a means of rehabilitating his image

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Speaker 3: That means I'm sorry for the people who got shot, right,

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Speaker 2: Alick met Hilaria slash Hillary at the restaurant. He did

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Speaker 2: he left for his own daughter in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, please, do.

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Speaker 2: You have insulted me for the last time. You don't

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Speaker 2: I don't give a damn that you're twelve years old

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Speaker 2: really make sure you get it. I'll let you know

444
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: how I really feel about what a thoughtless little pig

445
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: you are. You are a rude little pig.

446
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the Alec Bald and I know and love

447
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: and recognize hide.

448
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: Away eleven twelve or twelve year old who knows right, yes, yes,

449
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 2: but that's okay. So character and integrity, Oh yeah, you

450
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: either have them or you don't know. Something to keep

451
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: in mind, something to keep in mind.

452
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: So he's been like this whatever there's been, there's no indicator.

453
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: But then he's not like.

454
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 2: This, yeah, exactly, So Alex, he's hooking up with Helaria Sarma.

455
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: Should you imagine what they talk about when they're like

456
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: doing their pillow talk?

457
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: No idea, right, like what is it?

458
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: It's did they talk about?

459
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: Like I think they talk about things you don't think?

460
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: So no, who knows? Well, Alec was hooking up with

461
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: Halaia Sarma was embarking on her own new relationship. In

462
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 2: October twenty eleven, Sarma's yucking it up on Twitter, as

463
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: was the custom of the Sure. She starts chatting with

464
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: someone in one of Alec bald On Twitter threads and

465
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: she then they start tweeting and like dm ing.

466
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

467
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: The guy's name on Twitter was mister Fox and his

468
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: account name was at you know you want underscore it?

469
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh god, is he like a jigg?

470
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Well he's like super charming. Who is mister Fox? He's

471
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: this man named Anthony Strangus and he lived in a

472
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: van in Massachusetts, and he was something of a rake.

473
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: He was like a gambler. He had a horrible past.

474
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: His dad was a gambler. This is according to Vanity Fair. Quote.

475
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: When Strangus was about three years old and living in

476
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: a raised ranch house in Brockton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston,

477
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: he pulled a pair of dice out of his pocket

478
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: and uttered, baby needs a new pair of shoes. His mother,

479
00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: Patricia Aghast knew her husband, John, a local policeman, gambled,

480
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: but this he was holding Anthony in one arm and

481
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 2: rolling the dice with the other.

482
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: She recalled, yes, I love that image. I'm sorry, I

483
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: mean I feel bad for the kids.

484
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: Little kid. Maybe he's okay. So his father was also

485
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: terribly Yeah, and Anthony witnessed terrible things, and he went

486
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: on to mirror it in a sense. He married a woman,

487
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: they had a kid, but he skipped out on them

488
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: after telling her all sorts of tall tales. He was

489
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: more financially abusive than anything with that woman. So he

490
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: hooks up with Sarma. Within a month of connecting with

491
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: Anthony on Twitter, Sarma was tweeting, quote, Missus Fox be

492
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: in love with mister Fox. Can't be helped. Oh oh yeah,

493
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: so this was all online. A few months later, twenty twelve,

494
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: she meets him in person. Oh it's true, and it's

495
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: true love. It's true.

496
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: Ever smell them?

497
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, true love or close approximation thereof, or like the

498
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: best impressions.

499
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like it to them.

500
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they moved quickly. Her friends seem to know him

501
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: as Shane Fox. Okay, and then on December fifth, twenty twelve,

502
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: they got married. Yeah, after about a year after they

503
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: met online.

504
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: Well that's more than I thought.

505
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: And the whole thing was like hush USh on the

506
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: cute tea. Her friends didn't even know that they were married.

507
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's that's always a good move. Free move,

508
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: smart move if you're like, oh, I've been having a

509
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: rough past and by my romances, I'm going to sneak

510
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: away and marry some guy nobody knows.

511
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: So she has this successful restaurant, but she's drowning in

512
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: personal debt. She has a cute dog, but is completely

513
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: stressed out. Stress kills.

514
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: I thought the dog was going to really help pull

515
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: her around.

516
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: My doctor was telling me that stress kills. I'm like, thanks,

517
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: that will not stress me out. At all bodily. So

518
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: Sarma's got a husband. She thought he would be helpful,

519
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: Like he's calm, he's level. And the best part is

520
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: Aaron is that he said that he had a bunch

521
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: of money coming to him soon.

522
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: Oh one of those we we know that I got

523
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: a big payout coming.

524
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: Never a red flag and always totally true.

525
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: Usually legit, especially if they ask you to borrow money

526
00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: against him.

527
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: So he's said that he was going to use the

528
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: money coming his way to pay off all of her debts.

529
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: Get everyone of course.

530
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: Oh yes, magic wand and.

531
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: I think this was the most attractive feature he had

532
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: for her host Like she saw a solution to her

533
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 2: problems in the former lots of cash from a guy

534
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 2: who seemed to worship her.

535
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh guy, she didn't want to, like, you know, kill

536
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: somebody that could be another what people see money.

537
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 2: So twenty thirteen, he totally had the claws in and

538
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: like she kind of did too.

539
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: So they digging claws into each other.

540
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's hanging around the restaurant. He's not vegan, by

541
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: the way, like not by a long shot. Oh whatever,

542
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: and he's like totally out of shape. Despite the fact

543
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: that her brand was all about health and wellness and

544
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: clean eating. She has this sloppy guy that she's telling

545
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: everyone is a consultant and that, and he's still calling

546
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: himself Shane Fox.

547
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: Shows up smelling like he lives in a van, and

548
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: she's like, this is my guy who's the consultant for

549
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: clean living. Yeah, he's got a two pack of days

550
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: picking lobster out of his beard.

551
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: So like he's loving the lifestyle and the celebrity access.

552
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 4: Huh.

553
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: According to Vanity Fair, Alec Baldwin became suspicious of Mangalis's

554
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: new bou One time. He sent us a message and said,

555
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: can you recommend a broker in East Hampton? I said sure,

556
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: if you don't mind my asking. What's the price range

557
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: you want to stay with him? He messaged me back

558
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: on Twitter and said about ten million. I said, you

559
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: must be selling a lot of cucumber towers over there.

560
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: Oh ab o abu card.

561
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: So he wasn't the only suspicious one. Like people associated

562
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: with the restaurant who knew his real name, started digging

563
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: into his past. They found an arrest record, but when confronted,

564
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: he threatened to sue him, and apparently that was enough.

565
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: No one could figure out why this intelligent, successful woman

566
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: was tied to such a dufus brute. I'm with them, Yeah,

567
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: was it the money that he had? The money that

568
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: did make sense to people? So meanwhile he's getting more

569
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: and more controlling. He starts telling Sarma that he had

570
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: to go on covert military mission.

571
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, are you kidding me, Zaren?

572
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: It's the special ops thing.

573
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: Was a super spy. Yeah, of course, total top secret.

574
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: Cash. He needed walk around money for that. Oh and

575
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: his brother, who like didn't exist, was supposed to be

576
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: an expert in surveillance in some sort of like mercenary

577
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: and he needed Anthony for other missions, so they would

578
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: need money for that.

579
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: Naturally you work with your brother and you're a specialized.

580
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. He told Sarma that this tech expert pal

581
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: of his had detected a hacking in her computer.

582
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: Not the hackings, Yeah.

583
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: There was the hacking. And the way to fix this

584
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: is like Sarma had to email her log in and

585
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: passwords to his tech experts.

586
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, to de hacking.

587
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: She did give me and so now Anthony controls her email,

588
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: her bank stuff for fun. It really, it goes off

589
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: the rails. When Anthony told Sarma that he was doing

590
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: all of the things he was doing, which at this

591
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: point also included Sarma's mom fronting him money under the

592
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: pretext of it being to help her daughter.

593
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad that that continued. I You're saying, like,

594
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: including doing Sarma's mom, and I was like, no, no, no.

595
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: No, no, getting getting getting money from the mom. Sure,

596
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: he said he was doing all of this to bring

597
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: her cosmic power.

598
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I rolled my eyes so hard.

599
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: I just stranged.

600
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: You heard me, cosmic power.

601
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to come back forward to Elizabeth.

602
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: This is what Sarma katy cosmic power. How does someone

603
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: into the straight face say that, And also how does

604
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: someone hear that and then go oh my god for

605
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: real and like.

606
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: That's a good question. That's a good question. Here's what

607
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: Sarma told Vanity fair question. He convinced me I'd be

608
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: empowered in ways I couldn't imagine. I would have access

609
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: to unlimited resources so that I could grow my brand

610
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: all over the world, make the documentary I always wanted

611
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: to make, the one that would finally change people's ways

612
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: and help eradicate factory farming. Basically, I could do all

613
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: the world changing things I'd been quietly dreaming about. I

614
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: could help whoever I want and stay young forever doing it.

615
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

616
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he had all her.

617
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: Whole thing is what I really want to do is

618
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: direct totally.

619
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: So he has all these like six psychological tricksity play

620
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: on her. He's super vulnerable.

621
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: Remember, I'm.

622
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: In debt eating disorder. She's like got to keep up

623
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: with everyone's expectations of.

624
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Crazy pressure to maintain personally.

625
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, it makes it makes sense that she could

626
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: fall for this sort of coercive control.

627
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah. I don't mean to judge her. I

628
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: I just I'm disappointed that a sentient person can't see that.

629
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's a lot of debate. I get,

630
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: I get there is a lot of debate about it.

631
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: He played wild bind games on her. He told her

632
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: that he had eyes on her everywhere, and like everything

633
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: that comes out about this, he's like, Nope, never happened.

634
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: Later on he denies any of this.

635
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: I guess.

636
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Ultimately, so he said that his brother was monitoring them

637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and out to get them.

638
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: The brother who does or does not exist?

639
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: This does not does. She had like half brothers, but

640
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: that's not they're like good boys. Okay, Yeah, she just

641
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: had to continually prove her loyalty to and her faith

642
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: in him, and that was mainly through financial favors. The

643
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: biggest thing that he offered though, had to do with Leon,

644
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: the dog. So Anthony told her that if she went

645
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: along with him and got access to this cosmic power,

646
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: then Leon would live forever.

647
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: I forgot about that problem.

648
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: So Anthony told her that Leon had been his dog

649
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: in a previous life, and all three of them had

650
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: been living together for a thousand years.

651
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: What he preclaimed the dog's that's actually are owned dog.

652
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: I would a previous.

653
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Things I want to note here, So first we have

654
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: to remember her state of mind.

655
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: And also I'd love that he picks a round number

656
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: of one thousand years. He hasn't, like I guess number.

657
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Some people have been fortunate enough in their lives to

658
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: not have a total spin out. Yes, and to them,

659
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: I say up less for others of us, we've had

660
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: shaky times for differing degrees. You know, you look back

661
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: on those times and you see the decisions you made

662
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: or the ideas you had. You're just bewildered. Yeah. Yeah,

663
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: everything made sense at the time, especially like with bad relationships.

664
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: And things that are passionate.

665
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Yes, but you add in all of her sort of

666
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: like comorbidities to that, and she's fragile and there, Like

667
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: I said, there are those who totally doubt this story

668
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: of hers. They think that she makes she made it

669
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 2: all up.

670
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: She's a co conspiratory.

671
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that she's way too smart to fall for something

672
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: like this, and she concocted all this wild story as

673
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: a cover up. They say it never happened. I can't say, like.

674
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: People who were around it, who could attest, but.

675
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: They didn't see like the coercive control, behind the scenes stuff.

676
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: Because he's got her locked away, I imagine.

677
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Right, I can see both sides. There are more details

678
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: on this whole thing than I could ever get into today.

679
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: So there's a Netflix documentary that's worth watching that was

680
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: made or the reading up to make up your own mind.

681
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: People feel very strongly on both theories. Oh interesting, So

682
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: let's go back to the dog please us dog folks

683
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: know that these animals mean everything to us. Yes, And

684
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: if you've gone through like tough times, the spinouts, and

685
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: you have a dog or say a cat that you love,

686
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: most people would say that the pet help them get

687
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: through it, Yes, because there's no judgment from a pet,

688
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: just unconditional love. And for Sarma.

689
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: Even the frustrations can end up making you love the

690
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: animal more.

691
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Right, exactly. So for Sarma, Leon is her lifeline. He's

692
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: her everything and in her state to be told that

693
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: she could make him live forever.

694
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: I get people, how much do they spend on cloning dogs? Yeah?

695
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Right, So she was willing to endure whatever tests he

696
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: had for her if it meant she'd be happy and

697
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: successful and that she'd never lose Leon, I feel and

698
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: so about those tests, they were pretty much her sending

699
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: him large sums of money, which she did.

700
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: Once again, love comes to me in dead presence.

701
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: All of the money transfers add up because remember she's

702
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: already in debt, the restaurant's doing well, and the coffers

703
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: there were just right for the picking. So she was

704
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: sending hundreds of thousands of restaurant dollars to him. Oh

705
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: and they said that the totals coming out of the

706
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: restaurants all said were in the neighborhood of two million.

707
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: She pulled out of there. They these were not endless

708
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: cash sources. So pretty soon the restaurants they start missing payroll.

709
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: Yes, at places distributing like their meat or I guess

710
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: not meat, but they have all their yeah.

711
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so like at places where staff totally believe

712
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: in the chef and the owner and the mission. I've

713
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: known some who will ride out a missing paycheck.

714
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: Oh totally, even a couple like a few, yeah, if

715
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: they love it.

716
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: But in July of twenty fourteen, employees went unpaid for

717
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: a full month.

718
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: That's rough.

719
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And throughout twenty fourteen, she missed payroll five different times.

720
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Oh, so they've had to go through this multiple times.

721
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: They're borrowing from friends and family already.

722
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: Or whatever, right, and then of course other bills aren't

723
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: getting paid, and so she had all sorts of excuses

724
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: for people. But the fact was, like she wasn't even

725
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: there very often anymore. She's all scattered when she is,

726
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: and her staff like they were originally very loyal and

727
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: they believed in the mission of it. Now they're like, dude,

728
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: you're never hearing you make no sense when you are.

729
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: And so it was unlike her, but like they just

730
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: couldn't hang on any longer. So on January thirteenth, twenty fifteen,

731
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: the staff of Purefood Wine and one lucky Duck. They

732
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: all walked out, every single one of them, and everything shut.

733
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: Down coordinated respect exactly.

734
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: So the story starts getting out about this and this

735
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: vegan icon who's like all about ethical living. She just

736
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: stiffed her staff and her suppliers. Not so like she's

737
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: got the press and the labor board just like breathing

738
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: down her neck.

739
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: Also, she becomes a favorite target of people like the

740
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: New York Post, And so you're gonna be like I'm saying.

741
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: You know, like vegans are easy to mock.

742
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

743
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: Well, also when you and your high profile.

744
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: Tall grass gets cut exactly.

745
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: So she blogged it out, and as you.

746
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: Do, of course, you blogged through a girl.

747
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: In a post titled in all caps what happened? She

748
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: put the blame everywhere but herself. She blamed slim margins, debt,

749
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: how expensive quality ingredients were. She told her employees that

750
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: the problem was a bank changeover in like a payroll glitch.

751
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: So not having a consistent story did not help the situation.

752
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: Do you want to answer?

753
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: So three months after the walkout, the restaurants open back

754
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: up all new staff because the other ones are like,

755
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: no thanks, Sarma convinced an investor to fork over a

756
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: million dollars. Wow, and she hired a new general manager

757
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: to monitor the finances. Okay, customers came back. Things are

758
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: starting to look up, but like not really. Three months later,

759
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: she's missing paychecks again. Oh and the staff does a

760
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: whole other walk out. And when the restaurants closed that time,

761
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: it was for good, like end of an era. And

762
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: she's a wall so no one knew where she was.

763
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: Lawsuits are piling up. She's a no show in court,

764
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: so she's getting default judgments against her left and right,

765
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: and she and Anthony are basically on the run. They

766
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: actually left New York after the first walkout, and they

767
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: moved all over the US of A, trying to get

768
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: away from creditors, trying to get away from authority. I

769
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: have no well, at first they were like not trying

770
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: to save the little bit of money they had for

771
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: a year. They traped around the guesses are they spent

772
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: about two million dollars of vegan restaurant money. They gambled

773
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: in Vegas, They stayed in fancy hotels, fancy closed in

774
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: fancy things, and all this like she's got a warrant

775
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: out for her arrest for you know, charges of grand

776
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: larsity fraud a local labor and so this obviously can't last.

777
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: Forever now, were just a crime spree.

778
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Right when we come back, I'm gonna let you know

779
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: how it fell apart for Sarma and her sleazy, horrible husbands.

780
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: I just care about Leon.

781
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth dateline, May twenty sixteen, Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Oh wow,

782
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: oh wow, Zaren, close your eye. Oh yes, I want

783
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: you to picture it. You are the manager of a

784
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Domino's Pizza and Pigeon Forge, home of Dollywood. It's a

785
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: slow night and you're working the phones. Your two delivery

786
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: drivers have each come back from a run and are

787
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: sitting in the back of the shop watching a small TV.

788
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: The phone rings and you answer. It's a guy calling

789
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: to order a cheese pizza, soda wings, anything else, No,

790
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: just the cheese pizza. Can I get your name? You

791
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: ask Anthony. He gives you an address that's a cheap

792
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: motel that's technically in Ceverville, just outside of town. That's okay,

793
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: it's in your delivery area. You tell him that you

794
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: are cards only now, no cash, no problem, he says,

795
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: he'll read you his credit card information Anthony Strangus. Then

796
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: he rattles off the account number and gives you the

797
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: expiry date. You tap the information into your computer and

798
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: wait while the card runs. There's a flag on it.

799
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: This isn't uncommon. People's cards get declined all the time

800
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: for all sorts of reasons. But this flag is different.

801
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 2: It says it's a criminal hold. There's a warrant out.

802
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: You know the system has already sent an alert, but

803
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: you are a good and conscientious citizen. You tell the

804
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: man it will be thirty minutes, and then you hang up,

805
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: and you immediately call the cops. A customer walks in

806
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: the door, setting off the chime. Help him out. You

807
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: hiss at one of the delivery drivers as you wait

808
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: for an answer. At nine to one one, we've got

809
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: a situation. You tell the operator that you've got a

810
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: flag on a credit card. Someone's got a warrant. Okay,

811
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: the operator says, But in those moments while you were waiting,

812
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: you googled the guy's name. He's wanted out of New

813
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: York City. You tell the operator something to do with

814
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: a vegan scam, and he ordered cheese pizza. The operator

815
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: assures you that they're making this their priority. Hang up,

816
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: you straighten your name tag and take a deep breath.

817
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: It's all in a day's work for the brave folks

818
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: of pizza delivery. Thank you for your service, Darren. I

819
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: know I've made you a pizza guy a couple of

820
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: times lately.

821
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: But you know, actually really was I don't know.

822
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: And I just want to pay tribute to one of

823
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: the greatest foods and one of the greatest professions. Those

824
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: who make it distribute it.

825
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: You say, one of it is the greatest food. And

826
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: that's not just me talking. That's glued toamite, Like you know,

827
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: it makes your brain chemistry go.

828
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: More than a cucumber tower would.

829
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: Yes.

830
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: So the cops show up at the hotel. They bust

831
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: Anthony and Sarma. Turns out they'd been there for like

832
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: a month and the room had They had like lap

833
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: tops and phones, cash just stax cash. They paid cash

834
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: for everything and they laid low. But he screwed up

835
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: and used his card. So the couple they get extradited.

836
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: To New York, risk for pizza, risking all for pizza.

837
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: It makes sense. They got they got to face the

838
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: music now, so she gets charged with grand larceny, criminal

839
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: tax fraud, scheming to defraud, and violating labor law. He

840
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: gets similar charges, including four counts of grand larceny as

841
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: well as he got a separate charge for a labor

842
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: law violation. Huh, I suppose. And in total, they owed

843
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: about eight hundred and forty four thousand dollars to investors

844
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: and forty grand and unpaid wages to employees.

845
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 3: They're lucky didn't get any wire front and.

846
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: They builket the state out of four hundred thousand dollars

847
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: in sales tax.

848
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: Oh recording that.

849
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is all over the news, talk of

850
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: the town. It was so much money, sure, but it

851
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: was also the hypocrisy of course everything. Yeah. So here's

852
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: this media darling. She's all about, as I said, ethical

853
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: consumption and wellness and sustainability and right living. Yeah, she's

854
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: standing in her truth and she takes everyone's money and

855
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: gets busted over cheese pizza and pigeon forge like that's.

856
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: Brought low and her dirt bag Clyde Barrow.

857
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: So the media loved the cheese pizza part, like they

858
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: made a big deal out of the cheese pizza.

859
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm telling you you fixation. It's right there. You got

860
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: a vegan who gets.

861
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: Caught pepperoni pizza.

862
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course would be better.

863
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: They called Slarma the vegan, Bernie made off and bad

864
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: vegan in the headline.

865
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: Okay, that was pretty fresh.

866
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. She later told People magazine quote,

867
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: I never claimed that I was a strict vegan. That

868
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: wasn't my intention. I definitely don't refer to myself as

869
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: that now. I also don't even identify as a chef.

870
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: I was always more of a curator, like I.

871
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: Said, a food arrangement.

872
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: I cannot stand when people call themselves curators outside of

873
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: a museum set.

874
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: You get this look in your eye. That's very right.

875
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: And so the thing is, the more people learned about

876
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: the case, the more the details became totally unbelievable, yes

877
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: with them. For some it was obvious that Anthony was

878
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: behind everything and had some sort of control over her totally.

879
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: People found out about his promises of like this utopian

880
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: life with immortal dogs, and they thought two things like one,

881
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: she's nuts too, he's a psycho. Or there was the

882
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: she's making it all up and she's the mastermind behind

883
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: taking all the money. She knew what she was doing

884
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: the whole.

885
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: Time, like a gone girl, but without the death.

886
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So awaiting trial, they both worked with their

887
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: lawyers to come up with the defense. The prosecution believed

888
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: that she had entered into all of the activities with

889
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: full will, full time.

890
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: Oh that's a prosecution's take.

891
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Her lawyers were like, no, she had been gas lit,

892
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: like the actual definition, yeah.

893
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: The true technical like her reality and brainwashed.

894
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: And this is like risky, right because that that defense

895
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: coerceive control. It doesn't always pan out. It's hard to

896
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: so I bet, yeah, And so she gets out to.

897
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: Approve state of mind and all the aspects of and.

898
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: Like it's right now, it's that he said, she saidtle

899
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: They had like telephone recordings, but those are the dal too.

900
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: It would need somebody who's like an accomplished to him

901
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: in this to say he did this. He told me

902
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: that we're going to do it exactly without that exactly.

903
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: So she she gets offered a plea bargain one to

904
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: three years in prison for a guilty plea, and she

905
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: took it.

906
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: She did so.

907
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: May tenth, twenty seventeen, she pleads guilty to charges of

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: grand larceny in the second degree, criminal tax frawd and

909
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: scheme to defraud. She gets four months in jail and

910
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: five years probation. What so she was looking at fifteen.

911
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: Years that money crimes never made because.

912
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: She but she had no priors.

913
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: And then they're not suggesting they should. It's just insane.

914
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: They also took in like the coercive control part. They're like, okay,

915
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: may have been.

916
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm with that, I'm not again Anthony.

917
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: He also took a deal. He pleaded guilty to four

918
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: counts of fourth or Greek grand larceny. He gets sentenced

919
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: to a year in jail in five years probation.

920
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: What's his deal? Flip on her?

921
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: I guess well, what's interesting is that while Anthony he

922
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: gets ordered to pay restitutions, she did not.

923
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good, we're putting more responsibility in here.

924
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, she owed more than a million dollars to all

925
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: the investors and the employees she'd stiff. So while there

926
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: was no restitution ordered, you know, obviously there are all

927
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: these civil cases and those had been piling up. She

928
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: said she wants to pay people back, but that's obviously

929
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: easier said than done. So she did her four months.

930
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: She got out in October twenty seventeen. Then she filed

931
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: for divorce from Anthony, like and when she spoke to

932
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: the media, she made sure to explain that, like, I

933
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: take responsibility for what I did, but he was the

934
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: driving force and we are totally separate now we have

935
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: nothing to do with each other. And for the most part,

936
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: she tried to lay low. She was on probation and

937
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: that lasted until twenty twenty two. But like, think about

938
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: trying to get work if you're her, it's tough. Yeah,

939
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: there's like no way a restaurant or a chef is

940
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: going to hire you.

941
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: Most likely unless you lie about your identity and change enough.

942
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: That nobody goes all that. But she's so striking, like everyone.

943
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: Knows and that is a small community.

944
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: And totally she's got all that that financial experience and

945
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: like the degrees and stuff, but like, no one's gonna

946
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: like put you on the payroll for that kind of stuff.

947
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: And they're not gonna trust you.

948
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: No, how do you even get enough resources together to

949
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: rent a place like you get yourself established to find

950
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: work well, so.

951
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: And she's not the kind of famous or infamous where

952
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: she can cash in on.

953
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: It right, right, So this is the quandary that so

954
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: many people find themselves in, even those who haven't broken

955
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: anymore are done time. So like you have like women

956
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: who are stay at home moms or wives and like

957
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: leave the husband abuse or otherwise if you have no education,

958
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: nothing to.

959
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: Draw marketing sources.

960
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, or if you get injured and you lose

961
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: your There are all these examples. So she's like right

962
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: there with them, right. So she couch surfed for a while,

963
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: and then she got a job as an administrative assistant. Okay,

964
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: not a bad job, but like way below her.

965
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: Skill level, way below, but she's gonna be steady work,

966
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: I guess exactly that way, she still got to feed Leon,

967
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 3: the one thousand year old.

968
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: Dog, exactly, and that's that's who was with her through

969
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: this whole thing. Leon. Oh thank you, Her dog was

970
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: right there for her the whole time. He is the

971
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: hero of the story.

972
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh yes, how you gonna spend more time with Linin?

973
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: I know. The media backlash and the fascination just kept up.

974
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: An investor told Vanity Fair that quote she is guilty

975
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: of conduct unbecoming a vegan, which is like hilarious but

976
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: also totally captures the way that the communities like restaurants, vegans,

977
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: wellness folks, finance folks, they felt totally betrayed by her.

978
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: Totally. I mean, it's when you put yourself up with

979
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: high ideals and then you betray those you compromised, not

980
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: just the ideals, but other people who put those same

981
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: ideas up.

982
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: And for every person or story attacking her, there's another

983
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: pleading her case as a victim. So it's a strong

984
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: strong points on both sides. And again, I know I'm

985
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: leaving out details. There's a lot to the story. So

986
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: if I missed your favorite detail, forgive me and just relax.

987
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: You didn't even tell me her shoe size. I don't

988
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: even know.

989
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: How could I. In twenty twenty two, Netflix release that

990
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: documentary Bad Vegan.

991
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: Finally Got to direct, is a four parts documentary she

992
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: wanted to make.

993
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: I find it right, she doesn't get to make it

994
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: four part series. They interviewed like old employees, investors, her family,

995
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: They interviewed.

996
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: Her Oh wow, that's cool.

997
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even had they had audio of phone calls

998
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: between her and Anthony, and so they show her control

999
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: and lack of control in the situation. It's very complicated,

1000
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: so sometimes it sounds like, oh wait, no, she's the

1001
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: one pulling the strings, and then it's a mess. It's

1002
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: just one thing that everyone could agree on is that

1003
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: the relationship was totally toxic.

1004
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: And culpability can sometimes be very difficult to assign because

1005
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: it's like, well this led to that, well, but before that.

1006
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: Did that, before that, this is the right and the

1007
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: context of start the story, the context of this phone call. Yeah,

1008
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: so she cooperated with the Netflix stock, but she wasn't

1009
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: happy with the final product, which is common.

1010
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: Well, she's a you know, prospective documentary.

1011
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: She thought she thought that it was edited to make

1012
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: her look bad or at least like worse.

1013
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: She's using her story, so she'sion oh yeah.

1014
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: And in April twenty twenty two, she published a statement

1015
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: on her personal blog that she's still blogging it out,

1016
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: called it all caps bad. Vegan is not a documentary

1017
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: like that. When you look at like people's comments about

1018
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: it online, everyone's like she's full of it, like she

1019
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: she makes it all up. Anyway, She said that there

1020
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: were all these misrepresentations in it, and she felt that

1021
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: they like meant that basically they edited her to create drama,

1022
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: which Reality TV Welcome to Hollywood more.

1023
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: Than a document.

1024
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did her damnedest to correct the record, but

1025
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: at this point it's just like shouting into the void.

1026
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: People watch the series, they draw their conclusion, like mostly

1027
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: negative towards her because she's not very likable in it,

1028
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: and then they move on, you know. So she's worked

1029
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: to bring attention to psychological abuse and fraud, and she

1030
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: speaks out about like coercive control and even the dynamics

1031
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: of cults. She did an interview with the podcast A

1032
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Little Bit Culty, connecting her experience with those of cult survivors.

1033
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: Also in twenty twenty two, a New York pop up

1034
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: event that Like featured dishes from Purefood Wine their menu.

1035
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: People loved it and they had all these like, oh

1036
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: my gosh, I remember this nut cheese. Oh, these vegetables

1037
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: are just as raw as when I ate them before.

1038
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: She wasn't part of that though, okay, and then nothing

1039
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: ever came of it. In March of twenty twenty four,

1040
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: she told People magazine that she'd been diagnosed with autism

1041
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: level one Okay, defcom one, which is used to be

1042
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: known as aspergers.

1043
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: Oh is that no longer?

1044
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: This don't I guess, yeah, that's what I learned in

1045
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: that article. So her doctor, who specializes in working with

1046
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: people on the spectrum, believes that her condition had a

1047
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: lot to do with how she was able to be

1048
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: manipulated by Anthony.

1049
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: I can totally say that. I mean, she's being very

1050
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: straightforward in the way that I understand the Aspergers.

1051
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: Well, this is this is what the doctor told people. Quote,

1052
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: at the core of an autism diagnosis is not always

1053
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: getting social cues or misreading social cues, and not always

1054
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: having the understanding of the intent of the other person.

1055
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: So she said that even before Anthony came around, it

1056
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: was really hard for Sarma to develop and maintain social relationships.

1057
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: And the doctor said that quote autism, manipulation, and vulnerability

1058
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: often go hand in hand. It's common. It's something I

1059
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: see a lot.

1060
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I hadn't

1061
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: considered that.

1062
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I don't know, I don't know what

1063
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: or who to believe, but there it is. And in

1064
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: other news, in July of twenty twenty four, there was

1065
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: a huge Daily Mail article about Sarma because Leon had

1066
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: passed away. No, he had a good run, long life,

1067
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: like he had to be pushing like sixteen.

1068
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh, that's really good. I'm glad he got a.

1069
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four. He made it a good boy until

1070
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: the end. Yes, yes, Leon the thousand year Dogs last

1071
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: the hero here. So, whether you believe Starv or not,

1072
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 2: Leon was an honest and good boy, loyal and true.

1073
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: I gotta say, though, pre owning a dog in a

1074
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: past life is one of the wildest things I've heard

1075
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: a long time. You know, actually I owned your dog

1076
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: before you, well, is to.

1077
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: Make your If your dog becomes immortal, then when you die,

1078
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: the dog is like, oh, like, there goes my owner, like,

1079
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: which is rough for dogs. So I don't know. I

1080
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: don't know. Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway.

1081
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: That I'm totally gonna pull. I've owned your dog before you.

1082
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: I guarantee you You're gonna hear me say that to

1083
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: one of my dirtbag friends. So just yeah, I know that.

1084
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: So thank you for giving me that gift. Elizabeth, what's

1085
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: your ridiculous take on dogs?

1086
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: Gotta get a dog? Dogs? Dogs? Acreous?

1087
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: I need to get anything that loves me, like a

1088
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: pet of some kind, maybe an orphan. I don't know

1089
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: the line. No, I'm kidding obviously.

1090
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: You know what I think we need right now is

1091
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: a talk bag.

1092
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love get.

1093
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: Hey Ridiculous Crime. Have you ever heard of the Brandy Line?

1094
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 4: It was a country bar in San Borandino. I had

1095
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: a French foreign exchange friend who would go with me

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Speaker 4: there while we were in college. But she was French

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Speaker 4: and she called it the country club because that's what

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Speaker 4: makes sense to her. If you've ever been there, it's

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Speaker 4: the furthest thing from a country club you could possibly imagine.

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Speaker 4: But I thought that mashup would be funny to you.

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Speaker 2: That do cut.

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Speaker 3: I want to go to the country clubs.

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Speaker 2: I want to go, Let's go, let's let's let's go

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Speaker 2: there and Random Iron record an episode.

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Speaker 3: On the road. I like it. We need to do

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Speaker 3: a roadshow.

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Speaker 2: We so need to do. I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: ideas for that. That's it for today. You can find

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Speaker 2: us online at Ridiculous Crime dot com. One of the

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Speaker 2: cool things about our website is that it is part

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you get free cash back deals.

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Speaker 2: You get to swim through a bucket of cheese and

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Speaker 2: free cash back deals. It's by one it's buy one,

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Speaker 2: get one busters, so many doorbusters. We're also on Blue

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Speaker 2: Sky and Instagram and you can email us at Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime at gmail dot com. Dear producer Dave, and then

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Speaker 2: leave us a talk back on the iHeart app. Give

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Speaker 2: us some more places that we should go and do

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Speaker 2: a road trip to reach out. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by

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Speaker 2: noted vegan butcher Dave Houston, starring Annals Rutger as Judith.

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Speaker 2: Research is by built kinwa supplier Marissa Brown and raw

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Speaker 2: Food grill master Alex French. The theme song is by

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Speaker 2: Pigeon Forge, Domino's Peacha franchisees Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton.

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Speaker 2: Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred guests hair

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Speaker 2: and makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are

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Speaker 2: celebrity vegans who also love burgers and raw blood, Ben

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Speaker 2: Bollen and Noel.

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Speaker 4: Browns QUI say it one More time?

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Speaker 2: QUI?

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio four more podcasts

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