1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm welcome to Savor Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: talking about Haban arrows. Yes, oh, as you all know, 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: I love peppers. I love spicy things. Early in Quarantine, 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: I was just eating halban arrow's whole. I was dipping 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: them in a hot sauce for lunch, like raw haban arrows. Yeah, okay, yes, 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: with somehow pinos mixed in there. Oh all right, Well, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want you to sound weird, so cool, that's yeah, 9 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: thank you. I'm glad I don't sound weird never. I 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: really do think it's the running thing. I think it's 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: the runners high because I'm not reading anymore and I 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: used to run every day. Now this pepper thing. Need 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: to kind of a dream, need some kind of adrenaline push. Sure. 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: I mean you, well, you were already watching. Would you 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: say that you stepped up your consumption of the horror 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: genre over the course of Quarantine or is it about equal? 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I would say I stepped it up, but at the 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: same time, I've really exhausted the things that actually scare me. 19 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: It's a lot of horror movies that I often enjoy, 20 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: but I don't. Legitimately they're not They're not frightening. It's 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: not the adrenaline rush. It's just there and it. Yeah. Yeah, 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I have been using habaneras in hole in that ox 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: tails mentioned. Yeah, you're supposed to use a scratch bonnet, 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: but I have trouble finding those, and haben narrows are 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: often suggested as a substitute for them. Sure, um, and 26 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: normally it were out totally fine for me. But one 27 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: time I remember very vividly, I was watching a Rival 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: and I was near the beginning of the movie and 29 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: I got a super hot one and I must have 30 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: like down eight glass water very quickly. I know that's 31 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: not like the best thing in terms of alleviating, but 32 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: it's all I had, louren and I was miserable until 33 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: about the end of the movie, both because of the 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: heat but also because of the water. I was just 35 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: so floated. Yeah, sure, sure, yes. I also learned researching this, 36 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: uh that. Yeah, the Scotch bonnet, which is related to 37 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: the Hopa narrow, is named after the resemblance it has 38 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: to the traditional Scottish hat. Oh yeah, okay, well that 39 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: just makes more sense than I suppose I thought it would. 40 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: It does to me. To you, It's another one of 41 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: those things where I'm not entirely sure why I never 42 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: questioned it was called that, but I didn't. I was 43 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that's a Scotch Scotch bonnet, okay. And 44 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: then I am growing my own shashidos coming in. They're 45 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: so cute, They're cute. Oh my gosh, I I do. 46 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look at you, and then I eat 47 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: you and you're delicious. That's my that's my favorite part 48 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: about gardening. Yes, when you're like, oh, look at the 49 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: cute little Oh it's so sweet, amare Yeah m hm oh. 50 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: But what I've realized is the problem, and maybe this 51 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: won't be a problem for long, is they they're all 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: coming in at very different times. So it's like I'm 53 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: eating one shsho pepper it. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: a full on crop. Yeah. Yeah, that that does tend 55 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: to happen with with with with a lot of individual 56 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: pepper plants. In order to get a true like dish 57 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: of shid knows, you would need multiple plants um or 58 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: a freezer, I mean one or the other. Uh. But yeah, 59 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm not currently growing any hot peppers. Um, I usually 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: am I. We we had a we had a roommate 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: misunderstanding during the quarantine where various people thought that various 62 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: other people were watering the plants, and the plants were 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: not being watered at all. So we had we had 64 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a number of casualties from that, and the current pepper 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: plant was one of them. But oh dear, yeah, it happens. 66 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: It happens, those roommate misunderstandings. It's okay, it's okay. There 67 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: there are other pepper plants out there. We're gonna we're 68 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: gonna get it going again. Yes, more pepper plants in 69 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: the sea. Um. You listeners can check out our related 70 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: episodes on how Pinos Louisiana style hot sauces answer ratcha 71 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like we've done some other related things, 72 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: but those were the ones that came to mind. Yeah, yeah, um, 73 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: and I guess that brings us to our question. Yes, 74 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: huban arrows, what are they? Well? The haban arrow is 75 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: the fruit of a type of chili pepper plant botanical 76 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: name Capsicum chinensee. They grow on a smallish flowering shrubs 77 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: that might reach up to four feet in height a 78 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: little bit over in meter. They're semi tropical, not frost hardy, 79 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: but will come back year after year, and one plant 80 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: can produce a lot of peppers slowly over the course 81 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: of the season. That fruit ranges from from pale to 82 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: deep green as it's growing, and then once it's mature, 83 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: it will ripen to anywhere from like a pale yellow 84 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: to a bright orange, to a deep red to even 85 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: a purply black. Um. There are a bunch of varietals 86 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: and and they're They're pretty small, just a couple inches 87 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: in length, maybe up to five centimes, and more like 88 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: a chunky and rumpled looking than than lots of smoother, 89 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: more more elongated peppers. Sounds like a bit of a 90 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: backhanded insult, Lauren, they're smoother, guffin. I love a chunk. 91 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: If there's anything that my history of Internet liking UH 92 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: can prove to you, it's that I think chunky things 93 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: are great pun not intended. Broadly speaking, Hoban arrows are 94 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: considered to range from around a hundred thousand to three 95 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand on the Scoville scale UH, though types that 96 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: are more mild or significantly more hot have been developed. 97 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: The highest that I saw for a habban arrow was 98 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: over a million, and this is still, by the way, 99 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: way less hot than what what might call like stunt 100 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: peppers like the Carolina reaper, which ranks in the two 101 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: to three million units sort of range. Lots of those 102 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: on peppers, though, are created by interbreeding habban arrows with 103 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: other capsicum species. Meanwhile, for reference, more mild chili peppers 104 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: like the Hallopeno ranks somewhere between like two and eight thousand. 105 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: So you know, ah it is, you know, a little spicy, 106 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: but like a lot less than a hundred to three 107 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Yes, and so yes, the flavor of habban 108 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: arrows could be said to be mostly hot, but there 109 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: are some just lovely like floral and melon and citrus 110 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: notes in there. Quick aside about spice levels, the compound 111 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: responsible for what we call spicy heat or pungency is 112 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: kept sasin, which is this chemical defense mechanism that some 113 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: plants evolved that makes the nervous system of some animals 114 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: such as humans um think that they are actually on fire. 115 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: But like jokes on the plant, like we decided that 116 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: we like that humans are weird, you know, gosh, we 117 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: are um, And what's going on there? Is that cap 118 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: sasin activates the same nerve pathways uh, specifically in our 119 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: mucous membranes um that tell us when something is physically 120 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: warm at a potentially dangerous level, like like, please stop 121 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: and get away from that before you damage yourself physically warm. Um, 122 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: it's not actually physically dangerous and will not hurt your skin. 123 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: But but as both of us going to test, yes, 124 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: it can make you feel real uncomfortable for a minute there. 125 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmm mhm um. A bunch of the spiciness will 126 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: be in the seeds um, which makes sense because that 127 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: is the part of the plant that would like particularly 128 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: benefit from not getting eaten or chewed up, especially by 129 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: like mammals with chewing teeth. Um. So yeah, so if 130 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you don't like spice, leave the seeds out. Interestingly, birds 131 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: do not appear to be susceptible to the effects of 132 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: capsasan um, which means that the spread of these plants 133 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: is probably done by a lot of birds in addition 134 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: to humans. Yeah. Yes, I my mom one of her 135 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: neighbors gave her a big uh crop of pablano peppers 136 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I love poblanos 137 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: and uh. Later I asked your how it went. She 138 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, it was pretty good. It 139 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: was like real spicy. And I was just asking how 140 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: she cooked him, and she's like, I just ate them, 141 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, a whole. Well, yeah, that that'll that'll be it. Yeah. 142 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, usually if you're even worried about the spice, 143 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: you take the membrane and seeds out. She's like, oh, 144 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: I never heard of that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, take 145 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: them out. Wash your hands, take them out, always wash 146 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: your hands, wash your cutting boards. Yes, everything just full. Yes, 147 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: I know it's Scoville units also um. This is a 148 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: totally subjective test that was developed by one Wilbert's Oville 149 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen twelve, though it is now largely carried out 150 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: by more precise identification of capsas and levels via various 151 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: kinds of chromatography. I love this idea that one guy 152 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: was like, that's really spicy. That was not so much. Well, 153 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: it's good to know. Um and yeah. Haban arrows can 154 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: be used in all sorts of dishes. Um. Due to 155 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: its heat, it's mostly used in small amounts as more 156 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: of a spice or seasoning than like as a whole vegetable. 157 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Unless you are Annie reese um. But yeah, you know, 158 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: raw in salceas and seviches cooked into sauces and soups 159 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: and stews can give a kick to marinades or pickles. 160 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: Pairs well with both savory and sweet flavors. Um can 161 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: be made into like fruity jams or jellies. Modernly might 162 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: be used in cocktails. Yes, and in fact, as we 163 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: record this, it is Star Wars Day and one of 164 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: my cocktails Off and Stormy. You can use you can 165 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: use opinions what I like to Okay, all right, oh man, 166 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't have any cocktails planned for today. Heck fool, 167 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: I have a big list. I do have Star Wars 168 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: festivities planned. But man, okay, alright, well yes, well okay, 169 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: what about the nutrition? Well okay, uh, hot peppers do 170 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: give you a lot of flavor bang for your caloric buck. 171 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: Hob and arrows do contain a bunch of vitamins and 172 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: other good stuff, plus a bit of fiber. You're not 173 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: usually Annie Again, I'm looking at you eating enough hob 174 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: and arrow for it to like really make a nutritional 175 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: difference in your diet. But I guess if you are, 176 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: you know they will help fill you up just you know, 177 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: maybe pair it with a protein and some fat to 178 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: help keep you going. All right, I will say I 179 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: do think like when I remember my arrival experience, it 180 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: is wild how it feels like you could breathe fire 181 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: burning every breath you take. Yeah, I have another one. 182 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: What's this bain pass? Yeah, it's your Your body thinks 183 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: that you are on fire. That is that is what 184 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: is happening in there. You still your mammal. Don't eat that. 185 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Get on board because I'm not changing my ways. Um. 186 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: We don't have too many numbers for you, but we 187 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: do have a few. Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is the largest 188 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: producer of having arrows, where about acres or about two 189 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: square miles are dedicated to growing them. Um And there 190 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of genetic variety there. At least forty 191 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: genotypes are agriculturally produced in the area. I saw that 192 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: Spain and the Netherlands follow up with the second and 193 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: third largest export shares and values. How interesting, hard agree 194 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: um and in the United States does import the most. 195 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's actually something I've been thinking about as 196 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: I have been eating my peppers with hot sauce. Is 197 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of like what people might call hot sauce people. Yeah, 198 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: and just how that's become, at least to me, Yeah, 199 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: a much bigger thing in the US recently. We touched 200 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: on that briefly in the history. But speaking of we 201 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: do have some history for you. We do, but first 202 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: we've got a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 203 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. Just 204 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: a quick note before we get into this one, this 205 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: history section. There's a lot of conflicting information out there 206 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: about the Halban arrow. Uh yeah, try to consolidate it 207 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: into a yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's one of those 208 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: things where like someone made a very large mistake at 209 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: a certain point in history, and so tracing everything backwards 210 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: and forwards from that point, like you kind of have 211 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: to come back around to it and like recognize what 212 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: ripple effects were occurring because of that, the Haban narrow effect, 213 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Theban arrow effect. That's a horror movie. We so interesting, 214 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: like a very food based horror movie. Okay, why, okay, alright, 215 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: we really we really need to yes, yes, yes, we 216 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: get our horror or food based horror movie production company 217 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: up and running soon. I mean more based cookbooks as well. 218 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: Come on, yes, come on, yes, I'm so into that. Okay, 219 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: you and me and ben Bala need to have a meeting. Meeting, 220 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm ready. So. Haban arrows originated in the Amazon region 221 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: of South America, possibly as far back as six thousand, 222 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: five hundred b c E. An intact pod estimated to 223 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: be eight thousand five years old, was found in a 224 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: Peruvian cave. Historians postulate that the Mayans incorporated haban arrows 225 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: into their food and may have even crossbred them to 226 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: produce stronger, larger peppers. Ancient meso American settlers developed a 227 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: taste for peppers, and as they spread out, they took 228 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: haban arrows with them, and yes, as Lauren said, birds 229 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: are believed to have been a big part of spreading 230 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: these peppers as well. From South America, habanaro cultivation reached Mexico, 231 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: where it really flourished. Migrations of indigenous people's introduced it 232 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: to the Caribbean sometime between two hundred and fifty and 233 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: one thousand those unclear how successfully or not it took 234 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: off there. By one thousand CE, it had been domesticated 235 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: throughout the Caribbean, Central and South America. When Columbus arrived 236 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: and discovered haban arrows, discovered yes and heavy quotes. He 237 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: brought them back to Portugal and from there they were 238 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: introduced to Africa. The British, Spanish, and particularly Portuguese empires 239 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: spread haban arrows across the world, ironically in part for 240 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: their search for peppers. So, I guess that's another episode. 241 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: You listeners could, oh, black pepper. Yeah. Yeah, people are like, 242 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: we love the spicy thing. What else is spicy? I 243 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: guess that counts. Let's do it similar feeling. The habanaro 244 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: was so successful in places like India, for instance, it 245 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: propagated far beyond the air as the Portuguese planted these plants, 246 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: and by the seventeen hundreds there was so much confusion 247 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: about where haban arrows came from. Taxonomists named it the 248 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: Chinese pepper the scientific name, believing its place of origin 249 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: to be China. It was not. Nope. North Africa adopted 250 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: the habanaro into their cuisine, and when enslaved people's from 251 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: the area were sent to the Caribbean, they adapted using 252 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the available and similar Scotch bonnet pepper. One of the 253 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: reasons that ingredient pops up in Caribbean recipes so often. 254 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: The Scotch bonnet is a cousin of the haban earro 255 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: that is thought to have originated in Jamaica. Also, the 256 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: history on that one very very sparse, but yes, hat 257 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: named after a hat. The chocolate habaneros thought to have 258 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: originated in the Caribbean as well. The habanero got its 259 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: name from the Cuban city La Habana or Anna in English, 260 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: a city that was key in the trade of habaneros, 261 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they never really became a part 262 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: of traditional Cuban cuisine. According to Marion Webster, the first 263 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: known recorded use of habanero in this context occurred in 264 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, which to me feels extremely recent. Goodness. Um. Also, yes, 265 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: you you might have heard uh habanero pronounced habanero and 266 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: uh and that's yeah like a like a oh gosh, 267 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: what would the word be, like a malapropism, No, something 268 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: similar to that. It's it's just just a phony and 269 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: mix up from words like hallapago, which does have the 270 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: n a um habanero does not. Nope. As we've discussed 271 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: in previous episodes, things like immigration and the growing popularity 272 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: of cuisines like text mex in the US throughout the 273 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: twentieth century led to an increased awareness of and appreciation 274 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: for ingredients like habaneros in the United States. On top 275 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: of that, the affinity for hot sauce and heat has 276 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: risen when it comes to the American palate at large. 277 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: In fact, in the last fifteen years or so, Americans 278 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: love of heat in their food as increase, expanding from 279 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: popular hot sauces that have cult like followings. We talked 280 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: about that in the Sarach episode, and I believe in 281 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: the Louisiana Hot Sauce episode um to expanding to a 282 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: lesser known independent hot sauces. Many of those hot sauces 283 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: that do include hob and narrow those are my favorites. 284 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: By the way, Yes I love them too, but yeah, 285 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: this is something I'd love to come back to. Is 286 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: just that kind of why do people like hot sauce 287 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: and heat? This? To me, it seems like a pretty 288 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: rapid expansion of in the United States of this like yeah, 289 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: well it's that's safe danger thing. It's it's like this 290 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: gives me this a little bit of of adrenaline rush, 291 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: but is not actually going to harm me. Even though 292 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: it might really feel like it's gonna right. But yeah, yeah, 293 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: and I and I find I need to have some 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: more scientific method of determining this. But I find that 295 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: haban arrows um bother my stomach less than um capsicum 296 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: and um related chili peppers. So um. I don't know. 297 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's like a really wishful thinking. In general, 298 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: the spicier the pepper, the better. So anyway, that is 299 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: interesting Lawren's guts aside, cool story, Lauren, that is the 300 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: one funny thing about liking spicy things, because I feel 301 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: like that's sort of implied. Oh no, I mean, I 302 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: mean see like look like like sweet peppers are much 303 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: more of a dangerous zone for me than spicy peppers. 304 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: Like sweet peppers are what give me terrible indigestion. Um, 305 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: spice peppers are basically fine human body. It's complicated mystery 306 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: in there. There's clearly some kind of protein that just 307 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: like whatever it is about my gut like just never 308 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: learned how to digest it. And it's like this, why 309 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: why is this here? We cannot do anything with this, 310 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: and you shall suffer. It feels like a fairy tale curse. 311 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: Like it's like I curse this child to never like 312 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: anything sweet, only spicy hell fire? What what fakee creen 313 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: did I piss off as an infant? You're need to 314 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it, Lauren or else anyway, 315 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of or else, Guinness World Records named the hapn 316 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: arrow specifically the red Sabena have an arrow as the 317 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: world's hottest chili at five hundred seventy seven thousand Scoville 318 00:21:51,920 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: units from two six, but it has yes since been dethroned. Yeah. Um, 319 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: the red Savina habanero was selectively bread in California fairly recently, 320 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: but the story is surprisingly tough to pin down. Um. 321 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: The popular version is that a man named Frank Garcia 322 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: wanted to find a way to produce habanarrows cheaply in 323 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: the United States for his company G n S Spices. 324 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: So while he was out in the pot of habban arrows, 325 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: Garcia noticed a bright red one that stood out. Um, 326 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: so he picked it, and, as the story goes, kind 327 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: of forgot about it for a while, but then started 328 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: cross breeding with this habanero, eventually arriving at the Red 329 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: Savina Habanero. Yeah, there's there's been lots of work in 330 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: breeding new varietals UM in two thousand and six this 331 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: extra spicy, bright bright orange type called Tiger Paw, and 332 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: our debut um researchers created it to a yes appeal 333 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: to consumers who like spice. UM. It has been clocked 334 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: at over three hundred forty eight thousands goville units and 335 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: b uh okay so so that n R in the 336 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: name stands for nematode resistant UM. Nematodes being these microscopic 337 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: worms that live in soil. It can cause just serious 338 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: damage to plant roots. UM and you can treat the soil, 339 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: but that's expensive and not very environmentally friendly. So developing 340 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: plants that are naturally resistant to nematode damage is a 341 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: priority in a lot of different agricultural research. UM and yeah, 342 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: they achieved it in this case by crossing a typical 343 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: hoban arrow with a resistant Scotch bonnet Scotch bonnet. For 344 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: his doctoral program Cornell University plant reader Michael Mazurek created 345 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: a heatless haban arrow called a habanata in two thousand seven. 346 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: This is a great fun I love this pun if. 347 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: It's excellent if you are unfamiliar, If you're totally unfamiliar 348 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: with Spanish, the word nada means like nothing. Uh so 349 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: hob not a anyway, please continue. Um. He got the 350 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: idea after encountering a heatless pepper that behaved differently than 351 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: expected genetically. It didn't taste very good by all accounts, 352 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: so he crossed it with a hobb and narrow. And 353 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: I've heard eating them as a real interesting experience, like 354 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: you're expecting the heat in your mouth might water in anticipation, 355 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: but it never comes. Yeah, because like that that original? 356 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: That or that not original, but like first scent of 357 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: hoban narrow that you get, that's kind of like fresh 358 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: and fruity. It's going to make you think, right, burning 359 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: shall follow, but it does not. Um and the researchers 360 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: were specifically looking to get people thinking about how crops 361 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: are intentionally developed UM in order to create these specific 362 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: effects and hard pivot. But something I never thought I'd 363 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: be talking about on an episode on Habban Arrows and 364 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: perhaps the show in general. Um. In a episode of 365 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Bachelor and Paradise, Evan and Carly names mean nothing to me, 366 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: but I assume they mean something to a lot of 367 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: You set the Guinness World Record for longest hottest kiss 368 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: after they ate a Hobban arrow and kissed for one 369 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: minute in forty one seconds. Carly puked after and apparently 370 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: said she thought Evan was unattractive at the time, But 371 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: then I guess they got married. Also. I think that 372 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: was their second try. I don't think they succeeded on 373 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: the first try. Uh and yeah, I learned a lot 374 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: about kissing world records set in the Bachelor universe researching 375 00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: this episode on Haban arrows. Sure, yeah, uh yep, but 376 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: you never you never know where the research is gonna 377 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: take you. And I just feel like morally obligated to 378 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: put in here. Like no shade to anyone who enjoys 379 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: watching or participating in this sort of thing, but like 380 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: this entire Bachelor cinematic universe seems to be just a 381 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: really major exemplification of like, are the Straights okay? Are 382 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: they doing all right? What's going on there? I would say, 383 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: I have a memory. I try to keep in the 384 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: back shelves of my brain. But I once threw up 385 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: right after a kiss all over a guy. No. No, yeah, wow, 386 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: it happens. It happens to the best of us. I 387 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: did tell him I didn't feel well. There was a warning. UM, 388 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: that's not the first story I've heard about something like 389 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: that happening, So so you're not You're not alone, Annie. Uh, 390 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: you know Habanero involved. Look, Evan and Carla did that 391 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: to themselves. Yeah, or I don't know if the producer, 392 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: how involved the producers were at any rate. UM. Moving on, 393 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: some fun research out of Mexico and UM showed that 394 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: habannaro concentrations or extracts are particularly good at helping isolate 395 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: silver nanoparticles out of silver nitrate salt. UM. Silver nano 396 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: particles being useful in making some types of lab equipment. UM. 397 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: They're also the Schmancy antibacterial coating in your Schmancy podcasters, 398 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: Schmancy underpants, UM, among other antibacterial application. UM. They're not 399 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: not just for underwear anymore. Uh. And I don't understand 400 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: the nanophysics like extremely well, but from what I can gather, UM, 401 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: you you want to use substances of a certain pH 402 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: level and a certain antioxidant content when you're isolating silver 403 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: ions because you're breaking down silver nitrate salts to obtain 404 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: the nano particles of silver, but you also want to 405 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: stabilize them and the antioxidants in a antioxidant rich fruit 406 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: like a hob and narrow can help do that. Um. 407 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: That's why stuff containing antioxidants is said to be good 408 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: for you, because like they can help prevent the breakdown 409 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: of stuff in your body, um, which helps prevent cellular damage, 410 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: which can help prevent a lot of various conditions and diseases. 411 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: I am summarizing hardcore on on both of these things. Um, 412 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, there you go, more more environmentally friendly, economically 413 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: viable Nanosilver. Thanks haban Arros, Thanks Sabaarros, nano silver. Wow, 414 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: we went from Bachelor in Paradise. Well, yeah, that's kind 415 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: of the experience of a habanaro. You never know, you 416 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna get, how spanky it's gonna be. 417 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: And and I guess that's also the experience of saver 418 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: in general. You never know how spicy we're going to be. 419 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: That is true. It is true, Lauren especially. Well, Um, 420 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: that's approximately what we have to say about habaneros today. 421 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: It is. But we do have some listening mail for you. 422 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: We do, which we will get into after we get 423 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: back from one more quick break for a word from 424 00:29:53,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you. Sponsored. Yes, thank you, 425 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: and we're back with I meant to do an over 426 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: nine thousand joke and then I we moved on, so 427 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: I thought I'd try to put it in here. I 428 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: like it. I like, yeah, I know it was starting 429 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: that way, it didn't finish that way, but well, to 430 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: be fair, most dragon Balls, the episodes never really arrive 431 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: at the conclusion until several years, and you're unsure what 432 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: the original plot was. You're like, are we still doing 433 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: the one punch? It's still the same punch. It's been 434 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: four episodes. It's okay, it's still the same punch. Yes, 435 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: get it. No, I appreciate that. Some fun times growing 436 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: up watching that. And then the first like twenty minutes, 437 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: we and my friend beyond the landline phone together and 438 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: it's just like recap and then maybe a little bit 439 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: happens at the end, but maybe good times. It's still 440 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: still a fun time. Oh, speaking of fun times, Shannon wrote, 441 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: when I saw that your latest episode was about root beer, 442 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: I squealed a little bit because root beer has a 443 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: special place in my heart. My mom and I travel 444 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: a lot together and we would like to taste us 445 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the craft root beers we find at Mom and popa, 446 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: general stores, local breweries, farm to table restaurants, et cetera. 447 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: Wherever we go, we have found some amazing root beers 448 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: along the way, and the tasting experience is always fun 449 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: for us. My mom and I had to cancer our 450 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: plan tripped to the Smokies last year for obvious reasons, 451 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: but late in the year we decided to rent a 452 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: house in the middle of nowhere in the cat Skills, 453 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: driving a meeting there from our respective locations in Michigan 454 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: and Massachusetts. After getting tested and quarantining, of course, we 455 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: spent two glorious weeks in a round house in the woods, 456 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: and I decided that during that time I wanted to 457 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: try my hand at making root beer of my own. 458 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: I bought all the supplies ahead of time, special ordering 459 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: the SASA Fast root Bark and Sasaparilla route, along with 460 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: the bottling kit and other ingredients like winter green tea 461 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: and distilled water. Since normal tap water has chemicals that 462 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: will likely kill the east. The only thing I wasn't 463 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: able to find most brewers yeast, so I bought regularly 464 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: yeast from the Baking Eye at the grocery store. It'll 465 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: make bacteria poop, just as well. Right, big mistake. The 466 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: first batch I made exploded out of the bottle when 467 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: I opened it, sending a geyser of fizzy herbal water 468 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: shooting ten feet into the air in the middle of 469 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: the kitchen of the house we were rent saying. My 470 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: mom and I just stood there with dumbfounded looks on 471 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: her faces, before bursting into laughter and settling in to 472 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: clean it all up. It went everywhere, the walls, the floors, 473 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: the counters me. We ended up opening the rest of 474 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: the bottles outside and shooting them off the edge of 475 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: the deck. What little like had remained inside was not good. 476 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: It tasted like liquid bread from the baker's east with 477 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: a nice minty finish. I tried two more times to 478 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: make a worthwhile root beer with little success, so I 479 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: think I'll just leave it to the professionals. Well, that's 480 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: a that's a delightful memory you created. At least that 481 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: is that is that's that's fun with pressurization and growth 482 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and its very sciency. I've I've really been appreciating people 483 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: writing in about their Honestly, so far failures are interesting. 484 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: Experience is trying to brew root beer. But those are 485 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: the elements of pressure, and yeah the yeast. And hey, 486 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: uh you put in the effort. Did you tried, you 487 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: tried a new thing. Yeah, we have faith in you. Like, 488 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: I totally understand if you want to leave it to 489 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the professionals, but I've heck, yeah, I think you could 490 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah maybe maybe with brewers used nothing. But no, no, no, 491 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: there's a reason why these things are often left to professionals, 492 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: and that's why humans specialize. Yeah, okay, Rose wrote, I 493 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: am sure by now you've heard from many non North 494 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: Americans about their distaste or love question mark of root beer. 495 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: Let me lend my voice and experience to the dissenters 496 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: among them. Oh and I did want to put in here. Uh, 497 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: this this one for anyone who's sensitive to stories about 498 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: vomit um. I didn't. We didn't mean to make this 499 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: episode like like really oh vomit heavy. But this this 500 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: listener mail does have a few mentions of it. So 501 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: if you're very sensitive to that, maybe maybe to skip 502 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: this one. To continue. Growing up in Stuart, Germany, we 503 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: have both mouthwash and certain kinds of over the counter 504 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: cough medicines that have a medicinal taste like root beer. 505 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: I recalled distinctly a cough serup I was given as 506 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: a child that I would call a root beer concentrate flavor. 507 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: As one of the key flavors is liquorice, and I 508 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: detest anything that tastes like liquorice. My stomach always began 509 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: to churn when I had to take it, and I 510 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: invariably threw up. From the time I was about five 511 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: or six years old, I began moving back and forth 512 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: between Seattle in the US and Sucker, Germany about every 513 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: six months or so. Making friends was hard as a result, 514 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: and cultural differences between the U S and West Germany 515 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: was always a jarring experience. As English was my third language, 516 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: my adjustment time in the US always seemed to lag 517 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 1: compared to when I returned to Germany. However, I did 518 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: slowly pick up on things in the US, like the 519 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: coveted birthday invitation from a classmate, or even more sacred, 520 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: an invitation to a birthday party at a magical place 521 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: called chuck E Cheese. I would listen to classmates rattle 522 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: on about pizza, animatronics, shows, games, rides, and so on. 523 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: To be honest, I confused Chucky Cheese with Disneyland, as 524 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: euro Disney didn't open in France until the early nineties. 525 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: I thought Disneyland existed everywhere in the US and this 526 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: was some kind of local Disneyland extension. Then, when I 527 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: was about seven, it happened. I got my first invitation 528 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: to a birthday party, and at Chuck E Cheese No Less, 529 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: I could hardly believe it. Learning and understanding English at 530 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: this point was still a struggle for me, so this 531 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: felt like my first true sign of acceptance. My grandmother 532 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: dressed me in my best party dress. Needless to say, 533 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: I was over dressed for romping around in an indoor playground, 534 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: and I made the birthday girl cry because my dress 535 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: was better than hers. I found the animatronic animals frightening, 536 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: and when it came time to eat and drink, well, 537 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: that was problematic too. I guess the ultimate combo for 538 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: children's birthday parties was pepperoni, pizza and root beer details 539 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: I had missed listening to my classmates. Being Jewish. I 540 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: could not eat the pizza, and the only beverage offer 541 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: was a brown liquid that I assumed was Coca cola 542 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: because Coca Cola was from America. Furthermore, I had never 543 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: really enjoyed pop of any kind. I looked to see 544 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: if another beverage was available, but no, only Coca Cola. 545 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: Being a well raised child, when an adult plopped down 546 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: a slice of pizza and a glass of pop, I 547 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: did my best to eat around the pepperoni. But then 548 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I took a drink. This was not Coca cola. This 549 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: smelled of medicine. This this root beer. I could not 550 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: believe they gave me a tall glass of medicine. All 551 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: the excitement and anxiety that had built up trying to 552 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: be a good guest fit in and the noise and 553 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: the lights of the stage show finally became too much. 554 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: My stomach churned and I threw up all over the table, 555 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: covering the pepperoni, pizza and the two kids across from me, 556 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: who immediately burst into tears and began to scream at 557 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: the top of their lungs. This, my friends, was my 558 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: first taste of root beer. Oh dear. Fast forward to 559 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 1: my early twenties, this time on a college ski trip 560 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: to British Columbia, Canada. Still not a big fan of 561 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: root beer or pop in general, I did come to 562 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: love the other offerings at a n W Their burgers 563 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: and fries are really good. And living in the US 564 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: long enough, I know root beer is ubiquitous with floats. 565 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: Hungry after a long day on the slopes, my friends 566 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: and I see an A and W on the side 567 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: of the road and many of them pipe up they 568 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: would love nothing more than a root beer float. Obliging, 569 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: I pull over and we walk in and wow, this 570 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: was like no ANW we had seen before. They had 571 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: real tableware, like plates you could break, forks, and knives 572 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: made of metal. There was a lot of bilingual English 573 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: French advertisements for fried chicken. For some reason, this place 574 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: was filled with elderly locals that seemed to treat the 575 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: AMW like the town meeting center. But the real kicker 576 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: here was no root beer floats. That's right. In W 577 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: had root beer, but no ice cream. And there's no 578 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 1: root beer floats. Remember I don't even like root beer, 579 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: but my friends and I had never heard of an 580 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: n W not serving root beer floats. The server was 581 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: baffled we would even want such a thing, which was 582 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: all the more confusing. On top of all of that, 583 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: the entire restaurant of elderly people went silent and watched 584 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: us in our disbelief. Finally, we were so shaken we 585 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: just ordered some fries and left. Even now, I have 586 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: unfortunate run ins with root beer. A very sweet elderly 587 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: client of mine loves to give me cans of her 588 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: favorite pop, a Stevia based ginger root beer. As always 589 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: being the good guest, I accept graciously as possible. Fortunately, 590 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: with COVID, I cannot drink the dreaded beverage in front 591 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: of her anymore. As on top of everything else, I 592 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: also detest alternative sweet nerves, the curse of the root beer. Indeed, 593 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: that was heck an epic, very well written. I felt 594 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: your child anguish within me. Oh yeah, man, man, that's 595 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: even I will growing up in like a relatively single culture, uh, 596 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: being a very anxious child, Yeah yeah. Lots of social 597 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: anxiety around birthday parties and like how to behave and 598 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: what just all this stuff? You weren't alone? Oh no, 599 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 1: oh no. Uh. For some reason, this reminded me of 600 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: I had a good friend who I felt like, you know, 601 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: it was like the age seven to nine, and I 602 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: did have a party at Chuck E Cheese and it 603 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: was the best, but her party she always just seemed 604 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: more put together than me, and I gave her this 605 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: gift that I really liked, and she, uh kind of 606 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: just tossed it aside. So I stole it back. I 607 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: stole it and I still think about it to this day. 608 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: Did she notice? I don't know. I don't know. I 609 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: don't think I got away with it. I don't think 610 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: I was as clever as I believed I was. I 611 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: feel like most children are not. I feel like most 612 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: humans are not because I didn't have like a person 613 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: or anything. So I'm trying to remember how I got 614 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: it back home without my mom being like, isn't that 615 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: the gift that I bought for your friend for you 616 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: to give to your friend whose birthday it is? Yeah? Yeah, 617 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: I think I said it was a party favor. Oh 618 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 1: not good, not good at all. But yes, children's birthday 619 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: parties source of anxiety, fraught with anxiety. Yes, Oh heck, 620 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: oh heck indeed. Uh yeah. Loving these root beer emails. 621 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people wrote in about Blue Crab, which 622 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: has been amazing. Um yeah, We're excited to share those 623 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: in the future. In the meantime, thanks as always to 624 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: both of those listeners for writing and if you would 625 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: like to write to us. You can or email us 626 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: hello at savor pod dot com. We're also on social media. 627 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at 628 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: saver pod and we do hope to hear from you. 629 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: Savor is production of I Heart Radio. 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