WEBVTT - Lending a Hand 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.160 Hell I Suck At Dating with Dengler Dared Haven I 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:12.600 heart radio podcast. What's going on, Sucky daters? Welcome to 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.759 an all new episode of Help I Suck At Dating 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.960 and a very special episode for you guys today, because 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.639 not only do we suck at dating today, but we 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.680 also suck at being in a proper podcasting area. To 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.520 record this episode, I'm recording from my van, which obviously 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.440 is always a mess. No, no secret there, No, we're 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.400 not new to that part of that, this mess. But 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.000 Jared seems a little cramped in his location right now. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.800 And Jared, do you want to share with the listeners 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.839 where exactly you are right now recording this episode. I'm 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.519 in my wife's glam room closet. That's where I'm at, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.440 trying to figure out how to take my mask off. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.519 Here's the thing. We have movers here today, very sweet 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.720 Mayflower Company. If you guys are looking to move at all, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.360 you should use this company a nice little shout out there. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.880 We're moving across country l A to Rhode Island. Very excited. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.080 And then we have the movers coming today. So I 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.680 needed to find a space that's quiet, that sounds good 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:12.240 for audio, and the first thing I thought of closet. Well, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.440 the first thing you thought of was a closet, right, 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.520 So we get on the zoom video, Jared's in the closet. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.160 We're all like, what are you doing in the closet? 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.240 All of a sudden, Jared's disappears. He reappears three minutes 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.880 later in another smaller closet. And if you can imagine 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.560 a closet, obviously it's not very large, but now imagine 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.320 a closet maybe like a tenth of that size, And 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.080 that's exactly what Jared is right now. So you see 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.160 the sixth sense, you know how the kid gets trapped 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.280 in the closet and the ghost at Taxon, That's pretty 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.600 much the closet I'm in right now. I'm fully prepared 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.039 to have some sort of paranormal activity occur while this 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.640 podcast is recording. Um. Anyway, it's great episode besides the 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.760 weird podcasting geography of where we are right now. So 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.920 where exactly you're in Rhode Island now? Is that your? 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.080 No? No No? Still in l A. So today the movers 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.240 are coming. We're moving out of our apartment in Los 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:00.800 Angeles and then our stuff will be making the travel 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.760 across country. To the destination of around So it's probably 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.360 gonna get there in ten days. But we fly out tomorrow, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.800 which is insane. Man, it's crazy moving And it hasn't 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.560 really hit us just because we've been packing and been 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.960 distracted and busy with other things. And so I think tonight, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.320 when we're here for the last time in our apartment 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.960 that we've lived here for you know, three years, it's 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.640 going to kind of hit us. It's weird because this 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.960 is the place, like even though we weren't living, you know, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.200 in the actual apartment while these events were occurring, but 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.839 you know, we got engaged while living here, we got 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.440 married while living here, we got lowest while living here. Um, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.440 so there's certainly a lot of memories that we're gonna 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.480 leave behind but hopefully knock on wood for for better 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.359 things to come. And I know we kind of talked 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.000 about this last week a little bit, but the decision 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.200 to move to an island kind of happened pretty quickly. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.120 I feel like, well, it's like we've always wanted to 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.239 move back east. I told her when we got together, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.519 it's like a five year plan. You know, we're gonna 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.840 spend five years in Los Angeles. But Ultimately, we want 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.600 to move back east. That's the goal. So we just 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.000 kind of exp that the process, mostly because of COVID 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.959 man everything. Look at this, I'm recording our podcast from 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.640 from a closet. Okay, if I could record from a closet, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.040 I can record from a nice little office in Rhode Island. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:16.480 So it's just, you know, everything is remote. I guess 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.360 I should rephrase that. The decision to move through island 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.480 was not a surprise. You're right, because you hadn't planning 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.680 that for a while. But it just happened much quicker 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.800 than I expected it too. I thought, like you said, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.680 the three five year playing totally. We decided pretty much 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.480 over the winter that you know, when we were back 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.320 east for Thanksgiving and Christmas, it just felt good, I mean, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.800 like it always does. And and we kept saying to ourselves, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.480 why are we going back to l A? Why are 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.640 we going back to l A? Just because our stuff 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.400 is there? That's the only reason to go there. Right now, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.400 there's no work for here is here. All of our 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.800 family is back east. We have some friends here. You oh, dude, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.640 I haven't seen you in over a freaking year, probably 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.120 over a year, and now, uh no, last time we 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.280 saw each other, it was Valentine's Day last Yeah, it 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.240 was at Amy's house when we recorded live we had 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:08.400 like the live recording with Love Is Blind. Yeah, dude, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.040 that was like, yeah, thirteen months ago. You're right, that 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.720 is pretty crazy to think about. Um, who are you 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:20.240 gonna miss more? Tanner or Jade or Nick Mark? Mind, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.039 you can't put me on the spot like this. Actually, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.919 so I'm gonna miss them all mutually. But we've already 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.640 talked about Nick and Natalie wanna like go east this 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.360 summer and like do a trip over on the East Coast. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:34.880 So they're gonna come, and then Tanner and Jade are 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.920 definitely gonna come as well. Uh, you know, like I'll 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.960 miss I'll miss getting together with Nick and have him 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.880 just rant the entire time. But he's been greatly obviously 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.320 he's been dating Natalie. That's been out there so we 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.920 can talk about it. We got dinner with him on 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.560 Sunday night, and uh, he's doing really well. They're super happy. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.680 I'm super happy for them that Nick is in love. Man, 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.200 he really is, I think. So. I know that we 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:02.760 haven't seen each other a long time, but I haven't 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.080 seen Nick in an even longer time, if my memory 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.880 serves correctly. So I don't know this Natalie girl at all. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.960 So can you tell us and maybe, like the listeners 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.800 a little bit about her. I mean, obviously listen, you know, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.640 you're just your Knick's friend. It's kind of weird to 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.440 talk about his girlfriend, but just like, what's your impression 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.120 of her? I guess, well, she's great. I don't mind 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:18.960 talk about Natalie because I only have good things to 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.240 say about her. I think she's perfect for Nick. Um 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.479 she because, as you probably know, Nick needs someone who 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.120 allows him to be himself, meaning like allows him to 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:35.520 talk while also standing her ground, you know, being able 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.520 to challenge him. Nick has said this numerous times that 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.599 he wants someone who can challenge him, and Natalie is 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.120 the perfect balance between someone who can challenge Nick but 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.039 also let him just talk invent uh and so I 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.000 and they're they're super happy together, and he is. It's 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.320 great to see because as Nick's friend, and as you 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.520 know this, we've only really ever seen Nick single. You know, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.680 he's he's tried to date Andy on television and Caitlin 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.160 and and but like you know, in our personal lives, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.560 the last time I remember him being in a relationship 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.800 was Vanessa, and you know, I only saw them a 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.480 couple of times together and obviously didn't end well. One 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.200 of those thing it didn't end well, but they broke up. Um. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:19.320 So seeing Nick just happy in a relationship and head 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.400 over heels with someone, uh, it's cool, man, It's it's 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.280 it's really great to see because you just you just 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.960 he's smitten and it's it's it's weird seeing him smitten, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.960 but it's so awesome and she's great. Yeah, I don't 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.839 think ever since Nick and I became friends. Nick and 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.880 I became friends after him and Vanessa broke up, So 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.240 I've never really known Nick in a relationship. So I mean, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.080 like I said, I haven't seen Nick. No. While I 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.159 would still consider us very close, it just as you 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.400 know obviously with code and everything. Um, I'm expecting a 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.360 more melloed out version of Nick whenever I get whenever 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.000 I get to hang out with him in Natalie. I mean, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:58.920 I wouldn't guarantee that well, you know, but yeah, I 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.320 don't want to see Um well, okay, I mean that 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.599 settles that, I guess. Thanks for the Thanks for the update. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.080 I'm moving to the Rhode Island, like it would have 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.080 been nice to get dinner before you left where you're 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.960 not even in the laws that were You know, it's 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.240 totally okay. I am basically just deflecting because I don't 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.280 really know exactly where to go next with the podcast here. Um. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.960 I do know that we have some listener answers to 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.640 have you ever been called crazy before? Right us that 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.400 on the Instagram page, um and I know we want 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.120 to get to that a little bit. But before we 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.200 get to that, there is actually something interesting that happened 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.400 in Bachelination recently. I mean, obviously there's a lot of 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.960 stuff happening in Bachlination that's always super interesting, but um, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.680 our producers want to talk about this, and I think 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.720 it's actually interesting topic for us to discuss because it 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.600 sounds like from what I've read that Amanda Stanton is 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.440 now dating Karin Olympios is ex boyfriend, and you know 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.880 that violates girl code, boy code, whatever you want to 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.200 call it. So I guess my question for you is 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.600 what's your stance on dating a friend's X or anything 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.760 of the sort. I guess the first question is is 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.760 Karine really good friends with Amanda? I think they are 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.800 Lara always hanging out? I felt like, really, I don't 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.840 think I've ever seen them together. I can't think of 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.520 one instance. I remember on their Instagram pages that they 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.800 were like inseparable for a long time. I don't know 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.960 if that's still the case, but I do remember, because 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.400 I remember, I had this kind of the same reaction 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:25.680 as you. I was like, wait, these guys are friends. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.240 I had no idea, And then they were like all 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.040 over each other's Instagram, so I figured that they were 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.240 actually legitimate friends. All right, Well that's fair. So yeah, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.440 so broken girl code. So apparently Amanda's dating this new guy, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.640 Michael Fogel and it's Karne's X. That is weird. So 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.400 this is what Karine told us Weekly. She said she 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:51.040 Karren says she knows in terms of Amanda, Amanda knows 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.400 I will always be there for her if she needs me. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.319 At the end of the day, I'll be there for her. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.040 She's been there for me. She just chose to do 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.320 something that I don't really think is right in a friendship. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.240 It has nothing to do with the guy. I mean 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.719 goodbye to the guy that such a current line. It 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.160 was more that it really hurt my feelings that someone 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.120 I considered one of my best friends and family. So 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.360 you're writ team would even just be okay with doing 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.800 that when I wouldn't look at them at any of 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.760 my friends boyfriends twice. I don't know, it just feels 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.880 a little uncomfortable. Apparently Amanda did text Karin. Karin said 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.439 she texted me to quote, give me the courtesy, which 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.520 I also really think, I really don't think was the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.360 right wording for that. But yeah, she did give me 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.559 the courts courtesy in quotes and let me know. Yeah, 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.679 I mean if she gave if Amanda texted to Karin 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.120 after the fact, I was like, by the way, I'm 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.560 dating your ex instead of addressing it beforehand, to be like, hey, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.120 I'm going to go on a date and it's with 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.480 your ax, how do you feel about this? That's kind 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.640 of messed up. Uh, yeah, I agree. I guess what 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:02.800 beckins in my brain is was Karin and this guy 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.880 super serious? Because if it's like a guy that you 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.200 went on a date with one time, who cares. But 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.600 if it was like a serious boyfriend or something, that's 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.520 obviously a bigger deal. Well, Kurin saying it's her ex 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.240 boyfriend so it must be somewhat of a serious relationship. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.839 I don't know. Man, girl code, guy code. It is Uh, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.240 it's touchy subject talking about dating like one of your 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.240 friends X. I think I rule it out. I don't 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:25.880 think you can do it. I think it's just always 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.079 going to cause friction in the friendship. It might even 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.120 cause friction in the relationship. It's just not worth it. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.680 I mean, there's so many people in the world. They 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.480 I don't know if I don't know if that one 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.480 person that used to date your friend is your soul mate. Yeah, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.800 I agree. I think we've talked about this on the 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.480 podcast before. I think that, yeah, exactly what you said. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.280 There's so many people out in the world. Don't pick 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.280 the guy or the girl that's already been dated by 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:51.880 one of your friends, because all it's gonna do is 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:56.240 cost tension and it's probably not like, well, on the 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.000 chance you guys end up getting married and spent the 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.160 rest of your lives together, sure that's great, but many 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:01.520 people do you have to date in order to find 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.760 the person that you're gonna be with for the rest 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.040 of your life, and then what are the odds that 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.800 this is that person? It just like it doesn't really 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.280 make sense to ruin a friendship over There's only one 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.920 exception to the rule, and the reason I have to 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.480 make this exception is because if I don't, then I'm 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.000 a hypocrite. If you're in the Bachelor franchise, this rule 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.880 does not apply because technically speaking, Ashley is good friends 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:26.200 with Caitlin, and technically speaking, I am Caitlin's ex, so 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.880 that would be pretty messed up. And then I invited 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.200 my ex to the wedding because Caitlin was there. That's 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.800 really weird. I wonder it was Ashley is not. Yeah, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.880 I guess nobody there went on dates with Ashley perfect 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.280 that worked out well for me? Huh Um, has Kaitlin 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.480 did it? Anybody that like you're friends with and in 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.839 Bachelor franchise because like she was on Colton season and 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.760 you're not friends with him? She did Blake, you're not 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.360 friends with him? Went on. There's there's no there's no 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.679 boundary overstepping for me and Kaylin. I wonder if it's 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.480 any any over the opposite way, like Kaylin and isn't 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.800 really friends with Christina or di Low or Rachel or Leslie. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.200 So gosh, that list is so long. Um, but in 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.040 your situation, it's a little bit better because like Caitlin's 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.880 obviously moved on now that she was upset about dumping 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.760 you or anything like that, but like, you know, like 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.520 she's happily with Jason. Yeah, she got engaged two weeks 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.480 after she told me she was fine. Then she's fine now, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.959 right right, right? So yeah, I don't know. I think 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.080 we both kind of have the similar similar take on 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.040 this one, and that is, there's plenty of fish in 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.400 the sea. Don't date a fish that's already been fished 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.440 by one of your fish friends. Um, just go find 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.040 a different fish, right, yeah, find a different fish. Bro code, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.520 guy code, girl code. You know, your friends come first. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.680 Don't throw your friend under the bus just like go 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.360 after someone else. That's it. Um, all right, Well, Jared, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.360 why don't you go ahead and read some of the 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:52.160 am I crazy? Uh? Questions that we had brought in. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.840 What do you say? Yeah, Well, we asked our listeners 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.839 if they have ever been called crazy in a relationship, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.720 and we want to know why you think you've been 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.240 called called crazy. So here are some of the responses 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.920 of people being called crazy and how they responded to it. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.160 So one person said, posting a picture on social media 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.720 so they can see how great I look and asking 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.280 if I looked good? Consider them crazy? Do you think 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.160 they're crazy because of that? Posting a picture on social 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:20.720 media so they can see how great they look and 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.080 asking if I loved good? Isn't that the whole point 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.920 of social media? Not crazy? To me? It seems pretty normal. Yeah, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.720 it seems pretty pretty standard for me. It's a thirst trap. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.920 I mean, Dean, be honest. Have you ever posted a 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.240 photo on social media with the intent of it being 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.400 a thirst trap? Well? One pent? There were even times 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.640 someone not petting your closet door. No, that's like a 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.240 chair dropping. I'm sure probably one of the movers just died. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.800 There were times this might be a little borderline crazy. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.920 There were times where I would ask my friends to 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.120 post things because I knew that the girl that I 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.599 liked follow them and not me. That might be a 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.480 little crazy, but I did it and I felt fully 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.280 normal doing it. So did it work? Uh? Yeah? Every 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.040 time they would post, like a story or something, it 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.640 would always be viewed by the person that I wanted 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.240 to be viewed by pretty quickly, might I add, so crazy? Yes? 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.800 But effective also yes, what about you. Oh yeah, I've 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.679 posted a thirst trap or two in my day. I mean, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.920 how do you not isn't especially when social media is 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.720 first coming around, you know, you posted certain pictures of 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.920 you looking good to maybe like, hey, this is meant 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.000 for you really, Like, hey, look I can I can 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.640 dress up with the best of them. Yeah, I agree. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.400 I think that's just kind of that's kind of that's 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.200 almost like why social media was invented was that you 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.440 could make your ex as jealous and or you know, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.840 make the guy that you're crushing on. I think you're 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.360 even hotter than you are a thousand That's why the 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.200 Instagram filter was credit. I'll tell you that much. Um. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.600 All right, So the next crazy one is apparently somebody 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.200 was crazy for wanting their significant other to plan each date. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.360 I don't know if that's that crazy. Um, I think 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.000 that's a little crazy. It's I think that each date 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.160 is a lot like, yeah, you should want to plan 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.120 some dates, but not every day. Like if you want 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.200 to go on a date, take him on a date. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:04.640 I do a lot to quit them all the time 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.080 because she's always like, let's go on a date, and 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.840 I was like, yeah, sure, date sounds great. Go ahead 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.000 and plan it for us, and I'll be there, you know, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.120 like all planned dates, and I feel like planning dates. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.640 And then I think that if they want to go 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.360 on a date, they should plan the date. You know, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.080 this is an interesting one. Uh. Somebody who's called crazy 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.480 for wanting to the guy wanting the guy to open 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.880 all doors for them, that one's pretty crazy. So like 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.160 if Caitlin was like, I expect you to open every 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.840 door I walk into with you, do you think that 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:33.160 would be crazy? Yeah? I would say you're crazy. Yeah, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.000 I say, I'll try my hardest, but I'm not gonna 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.800 open every like I'm not gonna have the ability to. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.400 I'm not superman. Yeah. And you know what quality, Why 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.800 doesn't she open up a door or two for you? Huh? Sure? Yeah, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.720 I mean I don't. I would necessarily be like open 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.520 every door for me. But I think that it's kind 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.360 of still like to have that expectation for your partner 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.400 to have you open the doors for them, just you know, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.400 could be wrong WITHLD be right, Yeah, let's see what 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.480 else have we got here? Not wanting to share how 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.080 many people have slept with I don't think that's crazy 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.600 at all. I also don't think that's crazy. I don't 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.520 think Caitlin and I've ever shared that number with each other. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.360 Um yeah, I don't think it's a number that you 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.480 really need to know. I mean certain instances, like you 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.040 need to know. Hey, if we know someone mutually and 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.000 we hooked up one night, sure you want to tell 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.280 them that, be honest, But like to be like, hey, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.840 this is how many people have slept with without them asking. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.280 That's crazy. Don't like you don't need to know that stuff. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.000 Why would you? Why would you just want to bring 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.600 up the past and just have people's feelings hurt? Like 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.920 there's no point, right, I think the most important thing 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.360 is how many people have you slept with since you 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.040 and I slept with each other the first time? Like 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.960 that's kind of like the only really real number that 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.920 matters in terms of a relationship in my opinion. Oh, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.320 a thousand percern? I mean, or you could just you know, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:53.640 data virgin like I did. Um uh, needing a title 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:59.000 after a month of the talking stage, huh depends on 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.240 how intense to talking stages. If you guys are just 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.840 texting and you haven't met in person, that's a little crazy. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.600 But if you guys been going on dates and hanging 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.920 out with each other multiple times a week for a month. Yeah, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.680 put the title on and slap it on their boyfriend girlfriend. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.360 Let's do it. Um, I think that is a little crazy. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.399 Explain I think that. Well, I don't know, Maybe you're right, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.040 Maybe it's not that crazy. It's always okay in my opinion, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:29.800 to like desire more or like have us like a 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:31.720 need that you want build, right, Like, if one of 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.840 your needs is having label on the relationship, then yeah, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.399 it's it's in your right to go and get that, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.560 uh that that label put on the relationship. But like 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.359 I think, if you have to ask, it's probably not 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.480 what you wanted to be. And so why don't you 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.879 just like sit back, relax, let everything unfold. And I 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.320 don't know, I guess I'm just a little more laid 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.320 back than that. But I can see why people would 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.040 say that. Like I think of a girl who likes 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.840 a guy and she's worth like the guys like looking 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.320 at with a girl or something like that, she would 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.240 be like, tell me what we are otherwise I'm gonna 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.720 walk sort of thing. So I can see both sides 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.000 of the argument on that one. Oh, I think it 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.959 never ends well when you don't put a label on it. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.800 Maybe not after a month, but after like two months. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.639 I think guys and girls are just different about this, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.000 And I'm right with you, man, I am in the 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.960 same mindset. I remember in my twenties, like I was 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.400 this girl and I were hanging out and we were 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.960 very upfront about, hey, we don't want to be in 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.520 a relationship, we just want to have fun. And I 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.280 was very front about it, so she she was like, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.040 this is exactly what I want. And then, of course 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.159 what happens. I'm gonna sound like a dick saying this, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.960 but a few weeks in, like she just wants to 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.159 be in a relationship and starts developing feelings and we 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.760 have this awkward conversation where I was like, well, not 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.560 much has changed for me, and I felt like such 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.320 a jerk. But I was up front and honest in 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.399 the beginning, and then things changed over time. I just 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.120 think as a guy, it's so much easier to be like, oh, yeah, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.760 let's just take our time and not think too much 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.679 about it and just have some fun. And it never 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.919 ends up working out in the end. It's like always 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.280 gonna end messy if you have that mindset. That's why 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.880 I say just go for it, jump in commit, see 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.920 what happens, and then you know, let the chips follow 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.880 where they may. Yeah, no, I agree. I think that's 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.080