WEBVTT - Ep. 247: The Miss and the Return 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.640 app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:37.960 you stand with on X. All right, we're here, joined 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.440 in part by um Kurt. Was it harder than woodpecker lips? 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.440 Or tougher than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Harder? Harder than Kurt, 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:51.279 harder than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Out of Bozeman, Montain? Did 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.080 you know that that was your that's a guy wrote 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.720 in I remember you mentioned in that last time harder 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.080 than woodpecker lips. I don't think we had the saying 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:03.040 right at that point, though. You gotta trademark that. Yeah, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.720 and I know now that you have. I've witnessed it now. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:17.560 You're very you're monastic, um your sort of monastic food regimen. Yes, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.479 it's pretty simple. I don't view it as simple. I 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.360 will see now I'd call it hardcore. Oh, it's totally hardcore. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:32.040 It's harder than a woodpecker's lips. Everything, everything about Kurt's 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:37.200 ship is so dialed. Yeah, I've just taken notes all week. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.640 I felt like my I was just a hot mess 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:44.200 compared to Yeah. Just everything is his pack, his food's 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:49.600 a funny he's like his clothing system. Everything. Guy just 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.600 so fucking dial anytime I was drinking hot liquids, I 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:58.480 was like, God, I'm weak. Yeah Kurts from Kurts a 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:04.440 designer at Stone Glacier and like a founder at Stone Glacier. Yep. Yeah, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.519 started in two thousand twelve, bought a Sola machine bot 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.280 asan machine ah years before that and like a little 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:16.360 old lady sewing away. Yeah. Uh. Curtis explained as before 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:21.200 is that you would modify your backpack so much that 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.040 you'd eventually wind up was sort of a different backpack. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.200 Well that's really how it all started. Um, and uh, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.440 it took a while. It took probably a couple of years, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.720 but yeah, you keep tweaking on little things. Started with 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.440 the bags and started with the frame, and at the 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.639 end of it you end up something completely new. So 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.040 that that was really where the whole company started. I 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.399 want to detail his monastic food regimen. And it made 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:56.639 sense this trip because Kurt Ford goes see. Here's where 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.239 it gets a little bit like, this is where I 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.160 kind of got thrown off. I was telling the boys 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.960 last night, if I could, that's gonna sound it's gonna 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:10.800 make you uncomfortable. Kurt's comment, it's a compliment, but it 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.720 might make you feel uncomfortable. I was saying, if I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.639 could vacate my brain for a while and go live 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.560 in a different brain, I'd probably like, I'd probably go 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.880 live in yours for a little while, like, and there's 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.240 not there's very very few people I would say. This's 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.760 about like if I could go occupy, like I would 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.160 live in my same house, family, like, same all stuff, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.760 but just have like be in your brain for a 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:45.000 little while and be that um that Here's what I'm 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.960 trying to say to honors. Here's what I understand. You 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.640 don't like to when you're out. You drink coffee at home, Yeah, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:58.760 but you won't drink coffee out hunting because it's too inconvenient. Uh. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.240 And so you wake up and just energy bars and 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.440 instead of coffee, you take a coffee a caffeine goo yeah, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.840 and then you're out the door, yeah, of the tent. Yeah. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.320 But even in a situation where we had warm breakfast 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.440 and had coffee and you didn't have to make it 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.520 and it was there anyway, and it was just there. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.719 You still wouldn't eat it, Like, why, what are you 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:29.600 trying to prove a point? No, No, I'm just h 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.599 and a lot of the things I do in life, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.479 and hunting being one of them, I just kind of 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.440 get dialed in on my system. And and so when 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.560 I wake up in the morning part of this, I'm 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.800 really hungry. So the first thing I'll do is roll 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.279 out of my bag and grab a bar to eat. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.680 And then when I'm getting all my stuff packed and 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.320 getting dressed, so you're eating in your bag when I'm 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.839 starting to climb out. Yeah, so by the time I 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.240 have my boots on, my gators on, I'm gone. So 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:08.400 there's no cooking. It's uh, it's just kind of trying 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.240 to be efficient and not haven't get up earlier just 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.640 so that you can make coffee. That doesn't I'd rather 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.600 lay in my bed or in my bag and get 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.960 more sleep and be warm. But what was going on 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:26.120 when you, um, you wouldn't even you snubbed our campfire. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.840 I didn't know it snubbed your campfire? Do you know that. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.720 I don't know if you guys knows Kurt wouldn't go 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.479 buy the campire. I didn't notice that. I didn't notice 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.880 that we were there, stood off in the distance. Fire. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.760 You didn't want to be correct? Yeah, the fires too heatonistic. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.160 He didn't want to be He's like, I don't want 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.680 to become soft by going by no campfire. That second night, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:56.640 you were the last one by the campfire. Yeah. Maybe 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.240 he just didn't want holes in his gear. I want 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.880 to have a ton of spark holes. Uh, we're gonna 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.640 we'll get back to that. We'll get back some of 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.200 that stuff I want to I want to cover off 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.560 on a couple of things. Um, you'll appreciate this stuff. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.679 Remember how we were just hunting in June, we hunted 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.040 orcs at the White Sands missile Range. We're not there. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:27.320 I'll rehash off range in New Mexico. We had a 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.120 whole show about this, but I us explained it folks 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.279 real quick. In New Mexico, there's like two RICS hunts. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.280 It's more complicating this, but just to simplify things, there's 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.200 two RICS hunts. There's on range, which means you get 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.920 to actually hunt the White Sands missile range, and it's 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.880 real hand holding, Like it's like a nine percent success rate, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.200 but real handholding. You gotta go do a little seminar. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.440 They kind of tell you you can go over there, 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.800 but you can't go over there. And at seven o'clock 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.320 you gotta be out of here and you can't start 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.279 until it's just very like you know, it's like being 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.240 in the army. Yeah, and it's on. It's that way 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.520 because on a military base secret they got unexploded ordinance 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.400 all around. Yeah, they got aliens locked up. It's like 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.480 they got all kinds of stuff going on there. So 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.120 it's real handholding, but you're gonna get one, like if 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.080 you show up, you'll get one, and they call it 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.440 once in a lifetime hunt. So once you draw on range, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.480 you can't ever draw it again. Meanwhile, the rest of 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.720 the damn state is off range. And that's a very 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:32.880 low success rate. Um, what was it? I remember? What 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.960 what's the ten percent? Why do they fail? Just probably 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.240 don't show up up or their their day. Want a hog? Right, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.640 you have no idea? And on range they got all 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.680 this other ship like they got a broken horn season 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.520 where you can shoot one with a busted horn. It's crazy, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.200 but I'm trying to speak generally. Anyhow, when you're hunting 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.040 off range, you can hunt the whole damn state, but 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.320 it makes most sense to hunt along the fence line. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.160 Then some bitch things hundred thirty miles and the at 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.200 the south. We just kind of worked one the western 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.600 We kind of worked the western edge within zero within 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.840 leaning on the fence, which I always felt guilty about. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.920 When I leaned on that fence, I kind of leaned 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.880 flath handed so that my fingers didn't go into the 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.160 missile range. From leaning on the fence to five what 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.240 five six? We killed one what five miles off five 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:29.240 miles out of the range. You'll appreciate this story. Something 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:34.000 happens there where footprints, thousands of year old footprints get 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:39.800 solidified in that sand down there, Like when conditions are right, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.240 someone can walk through and leave footprints in the mud. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.120 That's what it is. When when it happens to be wet, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.280 you leave a footprint, and the way it dries and 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.959 blows in, things that happened in the mud gets stuck 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.280 in the mud, Like what concrete sidewalkers. Check this out. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.160 This is the coolest thing in the world. I like 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.360 to think Rick could appreciate it, but he uh, I 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.679 don't know. You have to tell us Rick. I wish 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.520 Rick had one of those dials. You could just tell how. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.480 I want to get some dials installed in here where 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.600 people that are in can turn it up if they 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.920 like what they're hearing, and turn it down if they don't, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.440 because it would improve the quality of the show so much. Yeah, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.400 but you'd be looking at the dial. That's all I 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.040 would look at right now, I just look at the timer. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.000 If there was a dial and all the dials minute 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.480 by minute ratings, that's what you want. Yes, I don't 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.960 know everyone in here had a dial, and in all 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.160 those dials, people don't know what they want. All those 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.679 dials were collated into a single meter. So Kurt might 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.400 be like zero zero zero doesn't like this story. Great, 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.120 could be like I love it, and Ridge poonders like 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.440 ten ten so it's throwing me or whatever. Five. That's 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.240 how you get mediocrity. I feel like when I tell 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.560 you what I'm gonna now tell you this, that son 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:59.320 of a bit should be code read ten. Okay, they 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.880 got some foot prints, hear this out? They have some 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.680 footprints today know are at least ten thousand years old. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.959 In the White Sands. Outside of the closed area, they 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.040 can't follow the trail into the top secret part of 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.960 the missile range. They're not allowed to follow the trail 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.520 in it. It's a long trail of a barefoot person. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.640 They feel it was a young mailer woman based on 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:32.480 shoe size, carrying a child on their hip barefoot. How 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.080 can they tell that because they think it was on 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.080 its carrying it on its left hip because now and 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.840 then they'd set the kid down. Oh, and they would 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.640 have the footprints. So it's a youngish male or female 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.559 carrying a child, occasionally setting the child down. The child 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.880 walks with when the child's not walking, the gate of 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.800 the person changes in their way. There a more weight 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:08.640 on the left HIPO. They walked one way and then 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.120 they came back on their same trail, and in the 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:17.720 time they were gone, a mammoth and a giant ground 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:25.400 sloth stepped on their tracks, and they're able to the 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.840 mammoth and ground sloth tracks on the person's tracks. And 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.000 then the person came back over the same trail, crossed 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.120 the mammoth and ground sloth tracks, not carrying the child. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:40.040 Oh my god, not carrying the child, not caring. They 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.560 brought the kid, oh wherever. Someone's like, hey, can watched 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:52.520 my kid? And you're like, I slot, can you, like whatever? 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.439 Can you watch my kid today? I'm having a date night, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 So if you don't mind, bring it back over to 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.200 my camp later. What wouldn't the climate have been ten 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:15.160 thousand years ago in New Mexico in that area they 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.360 definitely had and there was mud. Yeah, there was MUDs. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.280 It's not like it wasn't frozen. But there's a mammoth. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.960 That's why they know the date. I think it's like 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.320 it's obviously like you gotta think it wasn't the last mammoth, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:35.599 but that it was the last mammoth that crossed her trail. Yeah, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:41.240 so you know, the clock changes all the time, Like 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.600 the first humans to arrive here, the fashionable number used 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.920 to be like thirteen thousand years ago. Now they got 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:53.680 sites sometime around twenty years ago. Mammoths were largely gone by, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.800 you know, twelve thirteen thousand years ago. So somewhere in 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.120 that window there's a theory that not really a theory 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.679 that you couldn't have peopled the America's prior to the 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:10.720 invention of the eyed needle. Like, they had to have 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:15.040 had tailored clothing because they came through Siberia. Oh yeah, 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.160 so these are people that had to have had to 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.960 have known how to make footwear, had to have known 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.000 how to make parkers because of where you know they 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:31.040 came from. Where's the meter at rick? Pretty high into it. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.000 Tell me more, Steve, he could go Roger Ebert and 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.400 he'd be thrown a couple of thumbs right now, so 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:44.280 rix meters? Yeah, like high. So these tracks just the 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.600 sand eventually blew away and they walked in the mud. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.960 I'm looking. I got the thing right now, so it's 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.120 like sandstone now yeah, well no, because here's the thing. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.640 I'm looking at the article trying to not just have 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:04.000 to read the damn article, but it they walked in 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.360 the mud, and we're sliding a lot in the mud 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.520 and wish they had some schnaze boots or something. Yeah, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.600 I wish they had crampons or something. They were sliding 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:19.840 a lot in the mud and dodging something like now 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:25.520 and then revering and hopping. They throw mud puddles, are 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:33.240 mammoth ship whatever. They had some hops, so yeah, they'd 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.040 set the kid down and rest down, then kid a 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.480 mill around. What what happens is um, So there's four 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:49.480 hundred footprints and they would make a track in the 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.480 mud and then things with dry and sand and blow 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.960 in the problem with they've known about the tracks for 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.800 a while. The minute you excavate the track and reveal it, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:06.720 it's it vanishes. Oh man, So they film it or 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.160 some purposefully, don't you know, going and do them all. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.320 But they said, it's full of White Sands National Park. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.120 It's full of these old prints. That's crazy. That's really cool. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.360 And there's a slight shifting coloration that will reveal the 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.960 tracks when you guys were down there called ghost tracks 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.280 when you guys were hunting, did you was it that 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.160 that climate that you left your mark? Oh? I'm sure 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.040 someday they'll dig it up and be like, uh, they'll 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:38.120 find me in South in there real vibro logo. Some 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.840 guy really knew what was up with some dude kind 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.160 of I didn't really know what was up. You can 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.280 tell his tracks. No, that's great, that's an interesting story. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.800 Now with your meters high, it's gonna make your meters 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.320 go lower. I had a I was telling a story 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.760 about my kid getting a nap a red legged fly 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:05.400 in his ear? Do you ever have that? Courts horrible. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.120 I feel like you'd have that because you hunted him 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.520 Alaska so much and stuff. Well, yeah, the little no 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.880 cms that climbed around, but you never one against your 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.920 ear drum. No, not with the one that I couldn't 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.000 get out. It sounds terrible. It was in there, and 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.040 it was. It was so bad. It was affecting his 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.040 equilibrium and making him nauseous. Oh man, So how old 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.000 was he when this was happening? Just the summer hunting cariboo? Well, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.280 we were actually butchering carriboe back at the air strip 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.120 at the not the air at the air carrier. So 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.640 was it alive and there kind of moving around and 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.960 freaking him out. I was with this dude, this old roommate. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.680 I had this dude named Dan one time, and he 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.840 got a cat is fly. We're fishing. He had a 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:47.720 hell of a night that night. He caught a bat 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.720 on his back cast and he didn't like that one bit. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.880 Then he uh got a cat is fly in his 0:16:54.920 --> 0:17:01.000 ear and full whipped. Then he slept in his car 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:02.920 and wouldn't get out to peaks he thought a mountain 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:10.359 lion was going to get him. Um, that reminds me 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.920 real quick. I'm putting this. If you can go and 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.800 look on Instagram, you'll see this picture. Just dude to 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:18.760 send us a picture of a pelican that goes down 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:23.360 in his ditch and catches a carp. Tries to fly 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.200 away with the cart, but it's such a heavy load 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:30.640 he can't get elevation, goes into the power lines, hits 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:36.240 the power lines, catches on fire god lands and starts 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.159 a brush fire je and he sends a picture of 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.280 the pelican land there, hung up in a barbed wire 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.480 fence with a big fire scar moving away from it 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.000 across the ground, still with the cart hanging out of 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.280 his mouth. That kind of day. That's kind of day 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.720 this dude had. And we got it out with a 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.479 pair of fishing hemus like a hemostat. Oh you were 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.240 able to go in and do the catos when this 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.000 dude Dan had it happened to him and we practically 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:08.200 had to pin him down. Yeah. Um, well my boy 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.480 got it. Someone's like put hydrogen peroxide in there, and 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.240 we dumped hydrogen peroxide there and holy ship, that bug 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.240 come out in a hurry well. Our resident physician here 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.640 at Meat Eater, Adam Lazarre, wrote in advising don't do that. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.840 He says, on average, he's an emergency room. He's been 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.000 on the podcast. Uh. When he was on the podcast, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.879 the thing I remember most is that you remember, like 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.440 for our whole lives, for our everyone in this room, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.280 our age group, car crashes where our lead cause of 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.440 death had always been that. When he was on um, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:56.440 opioid overdoses had surpassed car crashes as the thing that 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:01.480 will kill you man, cardiac arrests. No, that kicks in 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:07.280 next between thirty and four year Yeah, it was like 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.000 it had always been like vehicular collisions would kick in 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.679 it like eighteen or something like that, or sixteen, and 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.040 then up to a certain date like that's what that 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.639 would be your lead cause of death, and then it 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.439 switches to like heart disease and all that. Ship. But 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:28.959 opioid overdoses for males, opioids were killing more dudes than cars. Jeez, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.800 it's a real problem. I got a bug ear thing. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.840 Could I didn't know? Please hold tight talks, let me 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.879 finish my thing. That's why, because I need to point 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.920 this out because he's like He gets people four and 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:45.520 five times this summer um in the emergency room, moths 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:50.880 and whatnot in people's ear canals. He uses a very 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.360 viscous light of cane to drown the bug and anesthetizes 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.520 the ear canal. Oh so he doesn't want because he's 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.879 a doctor and he has access though, and of cool stuff. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:07.800 He like pain relieves and wipes out the bug. He suggests, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.840 if you're gonna do this at home, dump mineral oil 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:17.399 in there. Huh, it's hydrogen peroxide is too strong of 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:22.879 an oxidizer. If you had a hole in your tympanic membrane, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.000 the chemical could possibly damage the inner ear on the 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.239 other side of the membrane. Also, you don't want that 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:37.200 bug moving around vigorously drowned. You put that oil in there. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.760 And he's like, he's not like, is that why your 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.320 kid ran into the truck with the snowblower this morning? 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:49.919 Is he all right? No, he just ran he also uh, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:55.560 he also just he doesn't look where the snouts pointing, 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.720 Oh yeah, just right in my face, man, and then 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.560 crashed into the Oh, he's having a great time. Crashed 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.919 into the truck. And then he like sees the neighbor 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.520 shoveling and abandons our whole project to go over there 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.920 and save the day with the snowblower. It's like, yeah, 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.119 go over He's like that first and stuff does he does? 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.800 He gotta matching many jigging ones. He like you you 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:26.560 g um go tell me your buckstory. Oh just on 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:31.359 fire and setsmate known about this too, But firefighters moss 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.080 in the ears. It's coming because if you're doing like 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.520 nighttime fireline cutting, all these bugs are flying around and 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.760 you've got headlamps and so a lot of times though 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.199 whatever whatever reason though right into the ear and they 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.800 drawn to the headlamps. So we had our superintendent on 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.040 the shot crew, got one stuck in for like a 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.800 day and just yeah, like you're saying, just driving him 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.679 make him nauseous. Yeah yeah, he was like, out, have 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.960 you been glad to be uh not firefighting this summer? Yeah? Yeah, no, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.439 I mean you miss the camaraderie. But hell, hell no, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.720 you don't get camaraderie hanging out with us. No, that's 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.800 what I mean. I got. I got that and that's 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.280 all that I got from firefighting. So that's all he 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:19.000 liked about it. Yeah, yeah, do you mind real quick 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.439 sharing what's going on with you guys, A little dipping, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.000 like where you're at with the dipping right now? The 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.720 different products you guys are into now that Kurt reunited 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.000 Kurt's patch, that's one thing like that monastic bullshit that 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.960 falls apart. Dude, it's Kurt as a nicotine addiction. No, 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.240 but he stuck to his throwing a day. That's not added. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.840 You haven't had one to day performance and hancing out 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.720 there and you've been around these guys. Yeah, and you 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.680 still Terence. You're stuck to not buying anything, yeah about anything. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.520 Oh so that's why how you draw the line. Yeah, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:57.200 but it's a little chink in your armor. Man, a 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.240 sucker person do Yeah, what what's product you're using nowadays? 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.520 I mean it's zen. It's just it's straight up science nicotine. 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.960 It's nicotine powder, so there's no tobacco product. So it 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.840 doesn't make you have cancer, that's what they say. But again, 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.320 as we're talking about at the trail Head, it's only 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.200 been out for like a year or something, a couple 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.320 of years. They don't know. It's probably worse for you 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.119 than but hasn't haven't we proven that nicotine can like 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.639 nicotine itself can cause cancer. That's what I had this 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.159 argument with someone I don't know, but I just assumed that. No, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.080 I think, yeah, nicotine alone is a carcinogen or whatever. 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.360 I don't know about that. Yeah the fact checker, Yeah, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.400 fact checker, I definitely be wrong about but it is less. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:44.600 It's definitely less abrasive and more convenient. So it's uh. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.439 I I started him to quit chewing, and I just 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:57.639 double yeah. Yeah. Years ago, Garrett was down in South 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.160 America with his quit and plan was, did you bring 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:05.440 like a brand you were gonna quit while you're gone? Yeah? 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.240 And the plan was to bring a brand you didn't like, Yeah, 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.960 so you weren't gonna quit, yeah, it was yeah, it 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.320 was you're gonna bring a brand you didn't like. Well, 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:20.040 and so you brought Grizzly. Yeah. And then I ended 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.640 up finding when I ran out, I went a couple 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.359 of days and then like spent a week focused on 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:33.119 finding nicotine, and I found the general at a like 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:37.480 Norwegian hostel or something, and then you got dope. Yeah. 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.800 And then Garrett was saying he got back home and 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.119 went into a gas station and the cans were talking 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:47.960 to him from behind the counter and buy me. Okay, 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.440 so your flavor now with you like white brand it 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:57.160 school classic long cut in uh um, but you also 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.080 like have some of that and then you just have 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.600 straight nicotine and then you have some more long cut. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:03.119 Well I used to put them both in at the 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.760 same time. I mean, if there's beers involved. Sometimes but 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:12.120 usually usually I would go but you'll find surprising. I'd 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.280 only do to choose in the morning, to choose in 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.280 the afternoon, and then you know, cocktail hour. It's kind 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:24.359 of game on the cocktail hour. Do you run one 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.480 long one or you rotated out between beers? Yeah, one 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.760 long one kind of is the two choose um one 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.159 right after another at in the morning and oh no, no, 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.200 it's it's up to me. But so if I burned 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.159 those two choose before tanna, I gotta wait till twelve 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.920 so I can't get you seft me down in the engineering. 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.720 So it looks great, it looks like so much more authority. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:52.360 I know, whatever you said. But now i'd be like, oh, 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:57.880 you'll tell me more. That's like power sitting over this 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.959 this board, lights and knobs and slide. It's intimidating. But 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.639 now now instead of having a break from nickotine. I 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.880 pop his in in. Dude, I read one of those 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.119 ins yesterday for like four I'd like disintegrated my lips 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.439 and we were loping all the steep stuff that I 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.919 got all stressed out about. I ran it for the 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:19.080 whole day, which may or may not have helped, you know, 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.760 framed in our studio here is my favorite possession in 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.440 the whole world is when Dirt made the cover of 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.160 dip Aficionado magazine. Rick's photo when we were in uh 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:32.800 Wyoming Anglo punning. Um, I think chat was that you 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.680 that gave Rick one of those inns. Oh there's one 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.119 thing about this that cannot be spoken. What who was doing? 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:47.720 What dipping? Oh yeah, there's a top secret dipping. My 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:52.440 My dipping was not top secret. Don't tell any stories 0:26:52.560 --> 0:27:00.320 about I had it in for like in it and 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.320 I was like, oh, yeah, I got all light headed. 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:06.320 I'm not a nicotine did you have to defecate? But 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.720 I know people use it for that reason. My brother, 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:15.679 his colon has a annex that there's a coal that 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:19.159 his colon has an offshoot colon that needs nicotine to 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:27.040 it's always loaded. Because he's like, I could taking a 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.560 growler could be the last thing on my mind, like 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.800 zero need to take a growler the minute he has 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.159 a dip. There it is. So the only explanation is 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.760 that there's a part of annex to his colon that 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:45.400 is activated, that's locked and loaded nicotine and the primer, 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:51.280 the primer that the spark, the flint and steel so 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:56.720 to speak, is uh dip because then there it is 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.880 over kind you had that happened at my oman camp. 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.720 You were having issues. Yeah, I mean it definitely keeps 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.520 me regular, that's for sure. Is that why you use it? Yeah? 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.400 I'm kind of like Yanni when I think, yeah, once 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.240 you travel. Me and my brother one time we're on 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.000 an elk hunt. My brother is the same way, and 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:27.840 I swear we both didn't go for six days. But 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.800 our stomachs don't bloat. It's just like we eat, and 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.359 so it goes somewhere. It all up into the tobacco annex. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.400 But that the the dip definitely helps the ends. Just 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:45.160 for my wife listening, it doesn't cause cancer. The research 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.640 didn't they say vaping was better for you than smoking. 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.680 I just looked it up. Nakeotine. They're doing some research 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.400 about its rolling as a cancer causing agent, and if 0:28:55.440 --> 0:29:00.400 not itself, it metabolis metabolizes into some chemicals that are 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.080 cancer causing, so after you ingest it just pure nicotine. 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:08.160 They always thought that the other substances were the oh too, 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.440 but some of the you know, the gum and some 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.160 other stuff could still Yeah, but when it get like 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.200 if you go to like calor like, it can't be 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.480 like the California kind of cancer. Yeah, because that's heavy. 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.640 That's everything. Everything I buy you can't. He already knows 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.760 in California, get airplane, you're gonna get cancer for getting 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.600 on the airplane. Fishing. Fishing cancer known by the State 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:35.560 of California to cause cancer. A sinker, Yeah, but I 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.440 think nicotine is probably in a more reasonable category of Hey, 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:44.360 it's better than opioids though. Yeah. So I don't want 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:45.640 to be labor the thing. But I was telling you 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.480 what I want to do is get into um oh 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.240 the child. When we're down in New Mexico, I had 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.160 a dip off of a tell everybody what that was. 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.720 I liked a lot um it was. Yeah, I can't 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.600 remember that name. Mike Rule had it. I'm gonna remember 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:07.680 because Daniel Morgan wrote the best Daniel Boone, Robert Morgan, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.400 the guy by the last name of Morgan, the best 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.320 Boone biography. So I'm gonna remember. I like Daniel Boone 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.840 and I like that. I remember because I used to 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.720 buy well, I used to dip or ch Levi Garrett 0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.080 when I was like in college and stuff, just like 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.000 side hack? Was that a dude, Levi Garrett? I don't know, 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.000 it makes jeans too write or no, I don't know, 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.239 never mind, you know what. I'll tell you something. But 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.960 if like the Morgan ship was cheaper, so if I 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.720 was running low on fund said by Morgan instead of oh, 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.600 Morgan's cheaper than Levi Garrett. Yeah, so what this dude does? 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:56.000 This dude Mike Rule, uh, quit you but still choose. 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.600 How's that work? Because he beat the same thing. He 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:08.520 beat the addiction so thoroughly that he can now just 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:14.080 have a recreational dip and then not dip for weeks. 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.080 It's kind of like a dude that quit smoking cigarettes, 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.760 but like has a cigar every once in a while. 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.360 That's exactly That's a great way of looking at it. Yeah, 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.680 I'd argue that I'm a recreational dipper though, it's just 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:33.880 timelines different. I know Ronnie Bam, who mostly Ronnie Bam 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.400 got addicted to cigarettes through cigar smoking. He went to 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.560 the other directions. He started smoking stogies. He might tell 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.960 you this story a little bit differently for both my observation. 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.320 He's no, I think he'd agree. He started smoking like 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.640 old man type stogies, you know, like big fatties, then 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:59.120 started smoking like little dinkers and that was basically smoking stogies. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.520 It looked like a brown cigarette, and then just went 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:06.640 to cigarettes. It's like one of those things like you 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.480 know those like evolution charts or like a little monkey. 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.840 He turns into a bro. It would be like a 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:17.560 dude turned into a little monkey his like path. Yeah, 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.479 so so he's off this because I remember on that. 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.720 I don't know where he's at right now, but he was. 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:31.040 He was chain smoking, uh Swisher sweets. Dude, he like 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:36.000 he like monkeys one off the other. Yeah. Yeah, Like 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.840 that's like smoking cardboard roll like tobacco rolling cardboard man. 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.200 Speaking of bone, here's the here's an art little thing 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:48.520 I want to talk about. Uh, this is this is 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.320 a this is applicable to me and Seth because me 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.200 and seth there are going on a muzzleloader flint lock. 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.280 We're gonna help with some flintlocks old old style hunting. 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:04.960 On a recent podcast US we were talking about, uh, 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:12.520 like did front did you did? Did users of muzzleloaders 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.760 not people who are like doing it for funzies, but 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:19.640 like people who are actually shooting muzzloaders. Um, did they 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:26.200 free poor powder or did they measure powder? And and 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.400 when you're watching old westerns, they're always free porn, right. 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.640 This guy rolled in, he said, there's this thing you 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:38.040 need to consider about this part of measuring today is 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:43.280 because we have standardized powder. Back then, he said, it 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.040 was way more art than science. And you're like, powder 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.920 was all it was highly variable And I forgot about 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.520 this detail. As Boon would even make his own powder. 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.280 How's that? Well? The first time he went over the 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.480 Cumberland Gap, he was going on a year long He 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:06.520 hunted and built up a small fortune of hides, otter beaver, 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:12.840 deer hides. The pawnees stole him, stole his stuff, decided 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.440 to stay an extra year, worked up another big load 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:23.560 they stole that came back empty handed. So he was 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:29.200 gone two years, ran out of gunpowder and he got 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:39.879 sulfur from deposit. He got burned willow, so he got 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:46.440 back guano for phosphate, phosphate batgwando for phosphate, burned willow 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.439 and had ash which was some component of it. Got 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:56.719 sulfur from uh like a lick, like a deposit, and 0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:01.120 then use his own piss. They would wet the mixture. 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.520 They'd make the mixture and wet it with your own piss. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.880 Then you'd spread it out and let it dry and 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.760 you'd make this poderway this dude wrote in talking about 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.080 that's insane. Then it was like what all powder was different? 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.520 So the fact that you're like old Bessie shoots best 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.680 with a hundred grains of powder would be depends on 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.239 it just wouldn't even be like in their thinking. It 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.040 would be that there's hot powders and shitty powders and 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.759 powders that got wet too many times and you drive 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.120 them back out and it would just be just very 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:36.440 touch and go all the time. Um, So you'd figure 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.279 out your powder amount for that batch that you had 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.800 just a very fluid. And I think you got to 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.520 think about like now when dudes, um, Now, when people 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:52.640 hunt with most loaders, do you use any kind of 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.719 like archaic ar chick technology. This is the thing I 0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:00.759 ponder all the time. It's like you're abbling in a 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.080 thing that was just what people did and new. So 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.879 if you're let's say you're boone, your father had one 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.640 of these, you had one of these, shot one of these. 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.799 From the start, it was regarded as a technological advancement. 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:22.000 It was a cutting edge piece of equipment. It wasn't 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.760 you weren't like fussing. You weren't like messing with something. 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.920 You weren't like experimenting with something. It would be the 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:32.640 same as like their relationship to that technology would be 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:39.840 like your relationship to your phone, just very ingrained, daily ingigrained, 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.960 highly intuitive. It's like it wouldn't you know, it's not 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.319 like now like, oh, we have this date set where 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.759 we're gonna go shoot flintlocks, you know, and blow our 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.880 faces off. It would be just like you lived it 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.920 all the time. So I just probably didn't feel like 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:01.520 how we think it felt. But I'm sure there's improvements 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.920 within within each of those technologies that they're really excited 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.960 about totally, like little small things like like smooth board 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:13.799 to rifle barrels, yeah, or big advancement. What are what 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.480 are you guys shooting? Is it rifled? What's the range 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.800 for you guys? This hunt? I guess depends on the person, 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:27.800 but I'm I'm looking fifty yards and in tick liquor? 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:37.400 What's yours? Steve? Like close like the bull. I wounded 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.000 the bull and lost it last year with the not 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.560 even Yeah you didn't even have an explosion go off 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.320 in your face. Dude. That thing hit the ground too, 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:51.840 that bowl. Yeah, so they lose their the they're just 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.000 not they're not hauling ass. Yeah, they're not hauling ass. 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:56.960 I think you know, when I hit that bowl, I 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.840 think got you know, hit it high up on the shoulder, 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.680 like knocked down. But he just got up and left, 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.279 like left like country. Barely any blood either, It's like 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.880 very little blood. It was like punching him, but no, 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:14.160 like getting shot with a bulletproof. Vest On learned. I 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.759 learned my lesson on that ship. Man. Now I'm like 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.880 Johnny tight when it comes to I mean, granted that 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.960 thing was you know whatever, six hundred pounds and and 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:28.000 that was like a bullet type like guess what do 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.279 they call those sabbots? We're true to I think it's 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.760 true to Bore, wasn't it. We're gonna be running patch 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.879 and ball. Yeah. Man, I've greasing my ship with bear 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.960 grease too. D So you take like when you're shooting 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.400 a flint lock, you got well, you don't believe me, No, No, 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:47.600 it's just funny. No, I totally believe you down in 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.920 my mind. You get a little PATCHA it's a circle 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.280 of cloth. What are you? What are you smirking about? 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.200 I just this is all I've just I've never heard 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.080 of this, you know, the you know, the old like 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:04.600 talking him to it that's killed all kinds of very 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.040 high right. We should make our own patches out of it, 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:11.720 called a bed ticking. It was like a prison. It's 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.640 like a prison. Suits like blue and white striped ship 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:19.320 and you cut. I cut square patches, not round. Nope, 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.600 there are square patches. I learned all this from um, 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.719 good family friend, the FETs your family. That sounds like 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:30.279 a old muzzleloader family. That's yeah, that's who got got 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.360 me into it. Yeah, because it feels like the van 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:40.799 fausen Burghs, I'd like, um. But yeah, we would cut 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.399 our own patches and grease them up. And then they 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.840 would you use for Greece. I think we use I 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.120 don't remember exactly what it was. Oh, you know what 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.759 we could use bear grease would be spython oil. There 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.640 we go. Oh, I bet no one's doing that ship. No, man, 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.960 we'll bring python because I got a court burning home 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.600 in pocket. Python oil. Oh, we had the snake biologist 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.960 on works in the pythons down in Florida. He gave 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.880 me a court or rendered snake oil. Whoa, what do 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.040 you use it for? The grosses me out? And not 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:15.120 use it for anything. He gave it to me as 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.520 he gave it to me as a oddity. Oh not 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.640 as like here, cook your eggs with this. No, it's 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.680 like a thing that you have and then you when 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:27.880 people come to your house, you're like, see that he 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.879 didn't he sent to me without tightening the lid down 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:35.719 very tight? Oh yeah, Um, anyway, that's like utterly disgusting. 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.200 Does the smell gross? No, but just the thought of it. Yeah, 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.719 snake oil, snake oil. Oh yeah, medicine you're talking about drinking. 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:48.000 Would you drink that? Curt Absolutely not unless if it 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:53.480 increased your efficiency? Probably, I don't know. I don't know, man, Um, 0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.520 but anyway they would they would pour their own they'd 0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:05.600 cast their own balls caliber Fatskers, Fetzers, fetzers. Really, man, 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.640 we used to have cast No, I never cast my 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:09.640 own balls. We used to go down to the gun range. 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:12.440 We gotta get to talk about what we're supposed to 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.759 be talking about. But real quick, I want to hear 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.319 what I want you to explain. It's more seth. But 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.880 we used to go down to the gun range and 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:24.160 sift through the bank the berm get the lead and 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.840 we would cast our own sinkers, you know. Cool. And 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.800 Ronnie Bam makes his own bird shot, yeah, which is 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.400 cool as ship. You ever see that done, Kurt, No, 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:40.359 I haven't. It's through a drop. It's just formed through 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:43.879 the air. That would be cool. Like they used. There's 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.560 a thing called a shot tower. I've heard of that, 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.440 but I didn't know how How how tall does it 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.320 have to be? Tower is tall? You're just like dripping 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.840 little driblets of lead and they fall down this shaft 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.799 and cool it formed into a sphere in the air 0:41:57.920 --> 0:41:59.560 like a rain drop, and by the time they hit 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.440 the ground owned they're cooled. Ronnie's a little deal. Was 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.799 he doing an indo oil and water. I thought was 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.879 it water oil? I wasn't there. I just remember seeing 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.359 it on the show. I think he drops him into 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.560 I can't remember. But he's got this little thing. It's 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:19.680 got a little aperture on it. You melt lead, get cancer, dump, 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.120 dump the lead into this bucket, and the buckets got 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.640 a little tincy tincy apt a whole bunch like a 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.000 series of I can't remember twenty or a dozen little 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:34.000 apertures like pinholes. And the pinhole determines the shot size. Right, 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.800 So you dump the molten lead in, have a cigar, 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.200 drink a whole bunch of beer. It's like the Ronnie 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:46.000 Bam recipe. Sit in a closed area or whatever. Uh 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.719 and Out dribbles all of his But I mean this 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.560 dudes like a like a he's a tinker, Like he's 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.080 like he could make anything. He's like remember in the 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:56.840 end of the A Team, they'd always find like a 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.880 sweet shop. Yeah, like he Ronnie smoke. Those dudes on 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.480 from the A Team like to rig up ship in 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.600 a shop. Uh and Out would dribble all these little 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.440 dribbles and they'd fall through the air and land and 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.120 where would hell? He cooled it with oh some I'm 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:18.560 liquid water, water would cause bubbling in it. He dripped 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.040 into some kind of oil. But I don't remember dealing 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:26.479 with a bunch of oily ash shot. I was any 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.600 good at fact check, and he had this ship figure out, 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:35.319 so failing. Uh go back to the fencer's Yeah, no, 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.359 I'm just saying that they'd cast their own their own 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:42.360 balls and cut their own patches and grease the patch. 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.960 You don't know what they what it was, I don't remember. 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:48.920 I think it was just some sort of oil. You 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.560 just you stack a bunch of them up and it 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.279 soaked through. Yeah, so you take your empty bear, you 0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:01.040 got your empty gun, pour a shot of powder downs, 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.600 put a patch, put a ball, then you gotta seat 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:10.640 that ball. Then ram at home. Yep. So it's powder 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.120 patch ball ram at home. And then if you're in 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.319 the Western and a dude charges you and you don't 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.920 have time to take the ramrod out, shoot him right 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.080 with that freaking ramrod man always thinking the lasting Mohicans. 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.319 When you talk about flint lock, did you do that 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.640 in there? Yeah? Shoot someone with the ramrod. No shoots 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:32.640 elk or something. It's like an opening scene, dude. Yeah, 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.960 He's like chasing it or something. It's like very maneuver 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.919 in it. And when I did that, when I did 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.319 that g Q thing where it like called the breakdown, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.640 that would be covered that um yeah, sends that elk 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:50.560 a tea kettle, put that flint lock like it does 0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:57.319 like a triple somersault off a cliff. So uh yeah. 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:02.239 And then the there's a frizzen up. It's a frien Well, 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.239 it's like this little it's hard. It's like a hard 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:09.440 steel that the flint strikes to cause the spark. And 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.600 there's a little buckskin. You got a little square flint 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.160 like maybe three quarters of an inch square half inch square. Yeah, 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.480 and there's a there's a little gripper, a spring loaded gripper, 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.040 and you line that spring loaded gripper with little chunk 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.319 of buckskin for grip stick the flint in that little 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:31.080 gripper cock the hammer. The hammer goes forward, hits the frizzen. 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:37.399 What explosion No, yeah, the explosion number one because under 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.759 that frizen is a little teency quarter teaspoon about of 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:45.799 fine powder. Yeah, Like the frizen is covering up a 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.640 pan full of fine powder. So when the hammer comes 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.880 down hits the frizzen and knocks the frizzen out of 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:52.960 the way, but still causes a spark, and then the 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.480 spark falls right into the flash pad. It's like a 0:45:55.560 --> 0:46:02.000 rude it's like the rude Goldberg is contraption Goldberg contraption. So, yeah, 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.240 that's right. The frizzen fly is on a hinge, flies forward, 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:11.520 moves forward. This little quarter teaspoon of fine powder ignites, 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:16.200 and there's a thing called a touch hole, which when 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.120 your gun doesn't work, it's probably cause your touch holes 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.520 plugged up with the fine powder. Yeah, that little bucket, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.919 that little quarter teaspoon, the wall of that bowl has 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:30.040 a pinhole through it that leads into the breach of 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.520 the flint lock. One of those sparks from that little 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:40.160 thing going off hops through the hole. He's surprise, and 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:45.960 then like he lights off everybody in there. So it 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:53.080 goes like clack boom boom, and you gotta hold steady. 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.640 The whole damn time is what you guys are doing, 0:46:55.640 --> 0:47:00.000 like tree stands. It's like we're gonna do some little 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.960 to both that sounds setting and then some do some mooching, 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.040 some driving. Uh, you don't know this but I'll tell 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:13.120 you something. I didn't hunt it, but I killed a 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:22.160 bull buffalo um with a flint lock. No ship. We're 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.319 on a reservation and they had like they do like 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:28.440 these controlled harvests on this reservation, and like reservation members 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:30.680 can go out like however they want to do it, 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.880 they'll go out and you can get one and just 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.600 kind of I don't really, it's a little bit like 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:39.680 it's kind of like a weird sort of like you 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.040 like an experimentation with a live thing. I don't want 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:44.520 you want to sort that out right now. Many ways 0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.960 we went out. I shot in the heart, shot in 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.200 heart in ninety yards. Dang, that's pretty good. Yeah, it 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.959 was like it was remember when about It took about 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.600 eight minutes, went laid down and died. No ship. Yeah, 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:02.719 I remember. One of the pretty most truth about Honey, 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.960 one of the elk Anny ones Will shoots a It 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.640 was in Colorado or somewhere. I think it was with 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.800 a flintlock too, but he shoots an elk with a 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.520 muzzle loader. It was either a flintlock of percussion, but 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.480 old like an old school I thought it was cool 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:23.000 as shit. Chester. You're gonna say something about the greasing. Well, 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.000 it wasn't very important. It was just about lead and water. 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:31.720 I used to build boat anchors, and any time lead 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.400 hit water, it was just it like explode on itself. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:40.279 That's not well, oh that's right because remember yeah, I 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:43.359 was not explode, but it it loses its form. Yeah, 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.480 like pops and loses its form. It it forms into 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:51.319 weird shapes, just like Latin Yanni's laugh. Yeah. Remember when 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.000 we all had to throw the lead in the bucket 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.080 to predict our future? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0:48:56.200 --> 0:49:00.879 You know about this, Chris, No, what's that? On New 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:10.520 Year's Latvians melt up some lead and throw a job 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:14.279 of it into a bucket of water, and it tells you. 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:18.280 And then you take that gob and it forms crazy shapes. 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.200 Then you get a light and shine it at a 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:27.279 wall and hold that gob will led that misshape and 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.680 gob will led to the light and it casts a 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:33.640 shadow and you twist it and see what you see 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:37.160 in there, and that tells you what will happen to you, 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:42.719 or it could inform your year. I generally tended to 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.960 see old arthritic imagery. Oh so it's kind of like 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.239 a roor shack thing. Like what you see is what 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.919 is gonna Yeah, I'm gonna try that with I gonna 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:55.799 lab be a neighbor across the street from us. I'm 0:49:55.800 --> 0:50:00.280 gonna try it this year with her. Yeah, she should 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:02.719 test her knowledge about it. Oh, she knows. She hangs 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.319 out at some like l a Latvian camp. She like 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:10.600 it's like the Latin get together. Her name is Anga. Um. 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:16.799 She has some questionable opinions, didn't she. Yeah. I think 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:21.799 I had to walk away from a couple of convos 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.520 yet because commos I was like, you have a nice 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:31.759 day there, and he side and locked the door. Not 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:48.080 talked to you for a week. All right now, Um, Kurt, 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:52.000 I gotta tell you, Uh, I couldn't sleep last night. 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:58.440 I slept by, woke up many times understandable. Just uh. 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:09.080 I've ever been so um not have been just just distraught. Uh. 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.640 And largely I was telling these guys last night too, 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:21.040 I'm having three feelings, um, anger and disgusted at myself. Well, 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:22.799 I missed the mountain go to three I'll tell people 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.560 I just cut the chase. I missed a mountain goat 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:29.080 three yards. Nice, Big Billy Kurt feels that it was 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:40.239 an ex Yeah, I missed the mountain go to three 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:45.960 hundred yards, just missed right, like nicktim not shot some 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:50.719 hair off, shot some hair off. It's main, Um, I know, 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.840 we'll talk about why I think that happened, not that 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:58.560 like uh, I'll talk about why I think that happened, 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.640 but but not that like I have excuse, like there's 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:06.680 an explanation of the mistakes I made. Right. But the 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.120 three feelings I've been having. One is anger and discussed 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:13.360 self loathing. Two is why am I not more disappointed 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.040 than I am, um, because I feel like I should 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.680 be even more, have more self loathing and anger and discussed. 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.719 And three is just like, um, really feeling that I 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:26.879 let you down, Kurt, oh no, because I started trying 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.320 to draw him mount I first applied for a mountain 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:39.280 goat tag in nine and finally in twenty drew Mountain 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.640 go tag. I mean I've drawn him in Alaska, but 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:48.360 drew Mountain Goat tag and h we really poured the 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:53.960 coals to it for five days under Kurt's leadership. Uh, 0:52:55.520 --> 0:53:03.600 snow cold Elevation train just struggles with visibility, but like 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.719 I mean, like finding goes but just like it wasn't 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.560 like it wasn't like a walk in the park, you know, 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.719 it was kind of like fog and whatever, just the 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:26.640 annoyance of cold, and then they're like just a chip shot. Yeah, 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:32.960 and I would have felt like, um, yeah, the primary 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.400 feeling I had was that, the primary like, if you 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.799 weren't there, I would have felt not as bad as 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:46.919 I felt, just really horrible waking up and just it's 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:53.680 like burned in my mind. I don't know, man, those 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.799 those things are all there. I feel like they're they're 0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:01.560 they're part of the hunting experience. Yeah. Yeah, you have 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.640 to have the highs, you have to have the lows 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:08.640 to kind of have the full experience. Just like if 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.160 we would have walked in there and I found to 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:18.600 gout on the first day, walk up on it hunts over. 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.080 That was twenty two years. You put in for a 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.200 tag for one day. That's not much of an experience. 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:28.239 Like you know, now you have the whole process and 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.040 it's not over. No, it's definitely not over. Good way 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:34.799 to look at it. I like that. Yeah it is, man, 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:37.680 but um, it don't mean a lot more. Yeah. Well, 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:43.160 here's the thing I think about though, Uh, I'm forty six. 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.120 I'll point out your forty eight. Thank you for that. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:49.840 I was like the other day, I was like, I 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:52.880 was trying to like as we're walking out, you know, 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.160 like the walk of shame, right walking down the mountain 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:02.920 after missing him. Uh, I'm like, man, really valuable lesson. 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:08.440 Like I'll point out a handful of things. Uh again 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:18.360 not excuses, but like a guess at where I screwed up? Um, 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.200 they got their winter coats, yea, and I failed. And 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.320 Kurt later pointed out, when you're looking at the outline 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:30.040 of that goat, there's a six inch buffer. It's not 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.200 a goat. No, especially this time of year, because it's 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.719 kind of that even though they're starting as you could see, 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.480 they're starting to come into their winter coat, especially on 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.000 those billies, the hair isn't so long that it's falling 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.120 over because when it when it starts to get really long, 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:48.640 it kind of splits down the middle like a hairline 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.000 like on the moscot, and it starts to drape. But 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.279 right now down the middle, yeah yeah, no, Like right 0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.960 now it's it's like a buzz cut and everything's sticking 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:03.600 straight up. So it could have been more than that. 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.359 There's a bunch of goat. It's not a goat, there's 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:11.400 a yeah, a bunch yeah. And I was when I 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:14.719 killed one the only mountain goold I got before. It 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:22.160 was a nanny I shot in Alaska, and uh, when 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:26.319 I hit it, it had enough umph left to take 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:33.520 a couple of steps and go off. The abyss said, right, yeah, 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:36.080 I mean I can show you like where this happened. 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:37.759 I remember creepy like, how could it? I was like, 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.600 I could show you exactly how it felt. That fired 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:42.040 me like a like a face like you wouldn't believe, 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.640 and then got so much a nurse, you're going that 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.920 When it did hit the slope below it, it just 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:54.600 continued to go down the wet snow. Um. Anyways, it 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:59.520 was demolished. It Uh, its brain was gone, It's skull 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:03.960 split open, the horns were gone, the brain was gone. 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:08.440 One of its lungs was tucked up into its front 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:14.080 right ankle gee. The hide came loose but didn't come off, 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.040 and somehow when the chest cavity erupted in the fall, 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.160 it like sent a bunch of that stuff through and 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:29.280 so it was like up against its knee. Oh huge, anyways, 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:32.480 something to try to avoid. So then it's like, don't 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.360 you don't want them if you hit him, you don't 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:37.080 want them taking a step. It's not like like generally 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.760 big game hunting, I just play it safe and give 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:44.600 myself a huge margin for air. And I typically, like 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:49.960 my typical hold is halfway up and down, two or 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:53.320 three ribs back from the shoulder. It's like that's you know, 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.760 and granted's gonna whatever. It might take a step or 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.200 two whatever, but it's just generally like done me very 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:02.120 well as a as a just a you know, general 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:06.240 little aim spot um. Maybe a little lower than halfway, 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:08.640 but either way, I was like, I gotta I was gonna. 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.800 I wanted to hit it in the high shoulder, hoping 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:14.080 that it would not go off the cliff behind it 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.920 or wherever walk off from fall off a cliff, and 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:24.960 then zero my rifle at a much lower elevation. And 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:29.320 the higher elevation is uh, you know, there's less friction, 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:32.680 so you gotta cop. So that's gonna make you a 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:34.880 little bit higher. I was shooting for a high shoulder, 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:42.680 not accounting for all that hair um and dialed and 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.680 was dialed for perhaps a little bit like a tad 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:51.040 longer than it was maybe maybe, and just sent through 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:54.920 two of them, like through its right over the top 0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.360 because the that steeper angle to your at appreciate deep 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:06.000 angle sharp angle, Yeah, which becomes harder to get to 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:12.360 get an exact range because it really depends on exactly 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:16.640 where you're picking. Well to a factor that we were 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:20.320 talking about last nights. I mean we're posted up for 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:23.280 a while waiting, which in my mind for me not 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:28.480 being near as successful or tenured as you is shooting, 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:32.120 would mess with me, you know, with scope on the 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.640 animal for thirty minutes or whatever. That that wasn't it. No, 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.280 I was aware of we should back up. Well, I 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:40.280 might back up and tell the story a little bit so, 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.720 but yeah, to get to that part. It was better 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:46.320 than we were having to wait for the get up. 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:53.400 And I was nervous about um getting chili. Yeah, sitting 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.360 in the snow and then in the little gap of 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.120 visibility was so narrow that you couldn't like go and 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:02.040 start the proble sense of trying to put a warmer 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.440 clothes on, because then you might get I killed a 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:08.560 nice buck one time, my pants down, not like what 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:10.920 you think, putting trying to get my long John's on, 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:16.440 trying to get more before the Zippies. Before the Zippies, 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.400 I hiked up to a spot, got where I wanted 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:23.640 to be for the evening sit. Got to the evening sit, 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:26.439 thought I'm gonna get bundle luck so I'm gonna start 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:29.760 freezing my ask because it's all sweaty, and got my 1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:33.680 pants off, started putting my l j's on lj is 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:36.000 around the ankles and then it kind of had my 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:39.480 lj's up, was getting getting back into my pants, and 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:40.840 all of a sudden, looking, here's the buck I was 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:44.480 trying to find. I got him too. I had to 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:49.120 pull my pants up to run over there, um, but 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:50.640 didn't want to do that because I was afraid the 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.560 goat would stand up and move while I was like 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.040 one arm in a coat. So I was nervous that 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:56.960 I would started getting shivery, but I never got I 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:58.480 wish I could say that I got shivery, but I 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:03.440 never got shivery. Oh my god, I feel like such 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:05.440 a loser. Oh point I was trying when I was 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.760 pointing out our ages. Let me get back to that now, 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:11.160 when we walk The whole story pointing out our ages is. 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:12.560 When we were walking out, I was like, what a 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:16.040 learning lesson? What a learning lesson. But then I'm like, 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:19.080 I feel like learning should be about wrapping it up. 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:26.280 My kid he did his first two big game hunts, 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:27.840 so he's tanned. You got a mule deer in a 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:33.640 cariboo this year, he's in. He's learning, right, I did 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:36.920 a lot of learning in my twenties. I feel like 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:42.919 the learning is about done. No, man never ends because 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:47.320 at a point your performance goes. It's like, I should 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:52.120 be at the the apex are apex guy? Still have 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:58.080 my physical abilities, I stive my cognitive abilities, and I 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:03.800 have uh like a tremendous amount of honey experience that 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:11.160 I've been um able to get through my career. Right, 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:15.960 So I'm probably I should be this should be like 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:21.680 at late forties, should be like what like you'd think 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:25.040 that right now would be this moment of just perfection 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:30.760 and you don't make mistakes. It was damned close, right, 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:33.680 I mean it was that goat was in a real 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:37.320 tough spot to get on and it took us a 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:40.919 lot of patients to work through that country. It that 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:43.360 that wasn't a slam dunk, that wasn't let's climb up 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:45.560 over this ridge and as soon as you look over 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:49.720 the top how long did it take us to get 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:55.040 in a spot where you get a shot five hours? 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:58.720 It was five hours in and out of view for 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:01.760 a majority of it. So there's a lot that can 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:07.360 go wrong in that. So yeah, I mean to your point, yeah, 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:10.360 we should. You feel like you should have every base covered. 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:15.480 But then in hindsight, I looked back and given the 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:18.400 information we had at the time, I wouldn't have changed 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:22.240 anything that we did. Absolutely not. When I was sitting 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:25.320 there when we finally found him yards way and his 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.680 head away from the stand up, I was sitting there 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:33.000 being like, uh, astounded by the good fortune m hm. 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:36.160 Because there was a lot of ways when we were 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:38.920 trying to put that little puzzle together, there was a 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:40.800 lot of ways. I also wanted to point I was 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:41.920 called in the middle of the night when I was 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:47.320 sitting there, awake my Once we got up there and 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:50.720 looked when I was flirting with storming his ridge top 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:54.360 would not have been a good plan once I saw 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:59.800 what it was actually like up there, umen Like you know, 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:01.440 you ever know, when you go storm a ridge, it 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:05.440 could go like you never know, But it wouldn't have 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.840 been a great ridge storm. It would have been like 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:11.200 you could have killed him with a knife. It would 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:13.520 have been like either didn't get him or got him 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:17.520 with a knife by the time you like when you 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:20.160 when you arrived in his zone, you'd have been like 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:22.840 on him in presume, but he would not be there anymore. 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:26.480 But let's say he was sort of deprived of smell, 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:30.760 and let's say there's no sense of vision and no 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.640 sense of smell, or sorry, no sense of hearing and 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:35.280 no sense of smell. It would have been a knife 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:39.160 fight and you would have gone off the other edge. So, yeah, 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:40.840 I wanted to point out to you, Kurt, that you're 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:45.920 feeling that storm and the ridge was not smart Um 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:49.120 it was not. Yeah, you were that that perspective of 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:52.600 yours was validated by the actual layout, which was not 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:56.280 quite how I envisioned it. Yeah, it was a lot 1:04:56.400 --> 1:05:00.800 smaller there. Everything just looks a little bit larger. For example, 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:03.480 we thought that he was sixty or eighty yards from 1:05:03.480 --> 1:05:05.400 that pinnacle, and you get up there and find out 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:09.600 that man that's only ten or fifteen yards or twenty yards. 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:13.480 It's just it's weird how perspective from that lower elevation, 1:05:13.520 --> 1:05:15.640 as you're working up into that country, how it changed 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:19.400 changed so much man um dirt head pointed out on 1:05:19.440 --> 1:05:22.800 this billy goat weird stock and uh dirt to point 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:25.439 out he was bedded on a knife ridge. So it's 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:28.400 like kind of like the primary range, not even the range, boy, 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:30.480 it it's like sort of the primary ridge line. Andre's 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:33.480 he's like a very steep night finger ridge that comes 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:36.560 off it. And he's better there. He can look everything 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:38.840 to the right, everything to the left, and then straight 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.840 ahead is just sky. But it doesn't matter because nothing 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:46.160 come up that thing. And uh, he's betted on a ridge. 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:50.760 It's no wider than him. Yeah, he was like his 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:56.000 body consumed the entire width of the ridge top. It 1:05:56.080 --> 1:06:00.000 was like laying on a knife Yeah. I was impressive. 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:04.160 And if you roll the foot, you know, the opposite 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:08.360 way that he was looking, he would have fell several ft. 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:12.040 I wouldn't be able to sleep up there. No, no, 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:14.960 you roll off those things like heights. Yeah. We slept 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:18.040 down a goofy little ridge like that one time sheep hunting, 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:21.320 and my brother Matt said, if I'm not here in 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:28.120 the morning, throw my boots off. Can I ask her 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:30.600 the question just to your point about you think you 1:06:30.600 --> 1:06:33.040 should get to a point where you're not learning. I mean, 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:37.440 you've accumulated so much knowledge there shouldn't be learning process 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:42.520 and experience. Did you learn something new this week? Oh yeah, 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:47.959 yeah absolutely. Um. I think the communication portion. I thought 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:51.880 about that where we were in the spot where you 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:56.040 were set up, and I was trying to one of 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:58.280 the things that we hadn't talked about his shot placement, 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:02.120 especially to your point about hitting them in the shoulder, 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.680 and when we are trying to kind of communicate back 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:06.280 and forth that both of us were on the same 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:11.360 page to try to hit in that shoulder. Afterwards, I 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:15.600 thought I should have communicated more on the hair that 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:19.520 you've just done that had done that, I'd be picking 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:23.200 blood off from my so so really it's my fault. 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:28.200 I hope you woke up two in the morning. Yeah. 1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:29.680 When I woke up last night, I was like I 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:31.400 was up for a very long time. I remember looking 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:33.680 at my phone be like, how is the only two man? 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:39.680 I'm already like up, just up obsessing. It just turned 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:46.200 into anger for Kurt. I wanted to know the answer 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:49.160 on my phone now is if it rings it to 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:54.000 this morning? Yeah, in the end of apocalypse now, Uh, 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:58.960 Kurts doesn't he talk about a vision of a snail 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:07.640 inching along a razor's edge. Fact check, that might have 1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:10.920 been re dux. It might have been the extended cut. No, 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:14.240 he like talks about floating the Ohio River. Is when 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:16.360 he's he's like out of his mind. When Willard and 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:21.400 Kurt's finally meet, Kurt's talks about floating down the Ohio River. 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:26.559 And because Willard catain Willard's from Ohio, Kurt's talks about 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.519 that he flow to the Ohio River as father, and 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:33.080 he remembers all the smell of the Guardinia's talks about 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:37.519 a snail on a razor blade, talks about a concept 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:43.920 hitting him like a diamond bullet. That's good ship man. Anyways, 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:46.320 that goat was laying out there like a snail on 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:51.760 a razor blade. Uh. To back up, describe the area 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:57.080 we went into, Kurt Um. It's it's in a very 1:08:57.120 --> 1:09:00.720 long drainage. I'm going to say the entire drainage is 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:05.360 probably close to twenty miles long. Uh. There's a road 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:09.360 that runs up somewhere in the ten twelve mile range, 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:14.040 So there is a major portion of the upper end 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:18.719 of that drainage that doesn't see a lot of foot traffic. 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:23.120 There's a lot of cliff bands, old growth timber where 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:26.879 I wouldn't say old growth, more like dark timber patches 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:29.639 that run down through. And then there was a burn 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:31.519 that had rolled through a portion of it as well, 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:38.840 So it's it's really good goat country. Um, a lot 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:43.439 of escape cover, um. And and then because of the burn, 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.880 there's a lot of feed because a lot more of 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:48.439 its open right now than let's say it was twenty 1:09:48.520 --> 1:09:53.839 years ago. And it ties into the back side of 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:57.240 of a lot of roadless area as well. So you 1:09:57.320 --> 1:10:00.799 see these goats being able to use multi pulled drainages 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:04.559 and move between them where you have a fairly large 1:10:04.560 --> 1:10:08.160 circumference of area that doesn't see a lot of traffic, 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:13.080 especially once they're snow on the ground. And um, most 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:16.120 of it's in the nine to ten thousand foot range 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:23.080 where the goats are living, and um they're typically later 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.960 in the year like we're at right now. There isn't 1:10:26.000 --> 1:10:30.679 a lot of elk population or deer population, which also 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:35.479 doesn't you don't see a lot of hunters either, primarily 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:39.080 because of that, and access becomes very difficult when the 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:44.920 snow gets deep. So it's it's real ideal goat country, um, 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:46.960 but can get a little bit tricky late in the season. 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:50.680 The lack of other games really noteworthy. Man, it is 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.479 it is, And I've been hunting that area for twenty 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:57.599 five years, and as we had spoken about before, I've 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:02.520 seen a very noticeable differ prints in primarily elk populations. 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:08.720 It used to be phenomenal elk counting, and I think 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:12.800 that there's lots of different discussions about why, uh, some 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:16.599 people would like to point the finger at wolves. There 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:19.960 seemed to be a transition somewhere along that line. I 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:23.400 can't for sure say that that's exactly what it is, 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:27.760 but as we were driving into the area, I think 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.519 something that was very telling was down in the valley 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:34.040 floor in the farmland there had to be two hundred 1:11:34.120 --> 1:11:38.519 head of elk out there in out in farm ground 1:11:38.600 --> 1:11:41.559 that you would years ago you would never seen that. 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:49.280 And so whether migrations are changing or actual what they're 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:54.080 preferring for habitat, it's kind of anybody's gas. But back 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:57.320 to your original point, it's it's really neat area in 1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.240 in the fact that it doesn't draw a lot of 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:04.600 people in after say September, and so it's it's a 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:07.519 pretty cool experience being able to go on these types 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:12.320 of hunts where you're not seeing other boot tracks, um, 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:14.639 and you're just not seeing a lot of pressure. Yeah, 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:17.919 it just takes twenty some years to twenty two years. 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:20.519 And then we saw a number of big horns and 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.320 it was like like one tag. How many tags are 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:25.240 in there? Yeah? I think one tag and that unit 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.439 and that'll take a lifetime to draw, oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:35.200 if you're lucky. Um, we went in there and it's 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:40.320 like there's a thing that happens this time of year. 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:43.960 I guess it could happen anytime of year. Uh. To 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:47.680 film hunts, you know, there's a lot of there's a 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:50.360 lot of logistics and crew and people got a plan 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:53.200 for it, right, And you need film permits, and when 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.759 you get a film permit, you need to like apply 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:59.200 for certain dates. Right. It's you wind up where you 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:04.880 have you like settle on a date window and there's 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:08.479 a lot of that date establishes a lot of inertia, right, 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:11.880 It's like like that's the date, you know, because so 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:14.240 and so we got you know, camera guys booked, and 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:16.840 we got our permits for that date. And then as 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:18.800 the date gets closer than you kind of go like, 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:21.080 oh yeah, I forgot about the whole weather part of this. 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:23.960 And as the trip's coming up, it just gets like 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:31.280 just the picture just gets bleaker and bleaker. Um of 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:34.400 early kind of not I don't want to say freak. 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:40.679 It's definitely not freak, but a significant early snow storms, 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:45.480 a series of early snowstorms. Yeah, to winter storm warnings 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:49.120 while we were out, like actual like Weather Service winter 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:54.600 storm like advisories for the area. Yeah, like today we 1:13:54.600 --> 1:13:57.599 shouldn't be sitting here right now, we should be up there. 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:00.240 But it's supposed to get fifteen inches of snow there 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:06.519 today and we already got like what foot overnight it 1:14:06.560 --> 1:14:09.439 would have been. Yeah, and then the and as this 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:11.920 as the as our goat hunts coming up and I'm 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:14.320 looking at the weather, there's sort of like comfort and 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:17.640 it was a comfort factor, which I don't want to 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:20.200 sit and act like isn't a thing. It's like, of 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:23.000 course it's the thing. You know, you can talk through 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:25.120 it and you have the right gear and make it. 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:28.799 But it's still like an issue. Comforts and issue, um 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:32.799 not nearly the significant of an issue is difficulty and travel. 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:38.240 So you're already in very precarious just steep ship. Right, 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:39.880 you're a lot of steep ship. And there's a lot 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.600 of routes that you can't take. There's a lot of 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:45.800 places you'd like to get to that you can't just 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:49.080 go in the way that would you know, just like 1:14:49.160 --> 1:14:51.840 go to it. It's a lot of like this and that, 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:55.599 and you know down when you should be going up 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:57.560 and around, you should be going straight in order to 1:14:57.640 --> 1:14:59.200 arrive at these like points you want to get to 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:01.720 because the cliff aces and and other things, and you 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.640 add snow on there and it just adds this like 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:06.360 a little it's like a level of stress. And like 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:09.080 even that level of stress is like a real thing. Um, 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:10.840 you can tough through it and have the right gear, 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:13.360 but it's like just a thing that's there, and it's 1:15:13.880 --> 1:15:16.479 it just changes the experience. But the primary thing is 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:21.639 a visibility. Um. When I talked about getting that killing 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:26.439 that nanny that I killed some years ago, Ah, we 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:31.680 went into an area and sat in the fog, just 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:34.280 got to our hunt area, sat in the fog for 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:37.519 three days. Then all of a sudden, poof it was gone, 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.479 and we realized that rimming the canyon walls above us 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:43.080 was mountain ghosts that had been listening to our conversations. 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:48.160 I mean this week, yesterday was the only day that 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:52.599 we had visibility all day. It was every other day. 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:56.840 It was a window of of clear Yeah. Um, we 1:15:56.840 --> 1:15:59.639 we went in and hiked in and just right away 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.360 we went in doing good visibility and right away just 1:16:03.479 --> 1:16:06.920 like seeing goats and when you draw a goat tag, uh, 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:11.240 you're allowed to hunt a nanny or ability. You're allowed 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:14.000 just like a goat, write a mountain goat. They would 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:19.320 prefer strongly, I shouldn't say they people that want there 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:23.280 to be a lot of mountain goat hunting opportunities. UM 1:16:23.400 --> 1:16:26.439 and state game agencies which really prefer that you shot 1:16:26.439 --> 1:16:29.439 a billy. And they'll actually make like I make instructional videos. 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:31.280 I voiced, I didn't like come up with the material, 1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:33.800 but I've voiced a video one time, like read the 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:37.400 script for a Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance video about how 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:42.160 to um how to tell nanny from ability. They wanted 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:45.360 to kill the males, and I read some statistic ones 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:49.000 that if goat hunters off mountain goat hunters only killed males, 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:53.280 only killed billies. I don't know this is a statistic 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:55.320 I heard. I don't know if it's how valid. Is 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:57.840 if they only killed billies, there will be four times 1:16:57.840 --> 1:16:59.599 as many mountain goat tags. I don't know if that's 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:02.000 I don't know if that holds up. I read that 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:06.000 somewhere they don't want you shooting the females. Um. I 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.160 voiced that video, which I'll point out like I voiced it, 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:12.400 but I'm not uh good at it. I'm not like 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:16.040 great at identifying. Um. I sit there a lats scratch 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:18.920 my head looking at a lot of goats. Uh. For me, 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:22.759 it's like when you see a kid, like a nanny 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:26.360 with an offspring, I'm like, that's a female. Other than that, 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:29.080 I'm like, damn that. My mind tries to turn everything 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:32.080 into a billy. Well, I didn't. I didn't realize, which 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:37.280 I'm sad to say. The nanny's had significant horns. I don't. 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:39.599 I don't know if many people know that they gotta 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:42.519 they got a horn. I mean they look and it 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:46.679 was tougher than I ever imagined to just distinguish other 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:48.920 than they're being, like you said a group of them 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:52.639 that it would be like, oh, those are nanny's Kurt 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:54.760 pointed this out, and it's actually remember just being in 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:56.679 the past is like another time I drew a goat 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.800 tag on the Key nine, didn't get a one because 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:02.080 we passed up many opportun females. I remember, like every 1:18:02.080 --> 1:18:05.519 female you look at your like trying your hardest to 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:08.360 turn it into a mail. But then you see a 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:13.479 billy and it's like, there's a billy. Yeah, And I 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.200 remember we had that same thing out of kena fence. 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:16.599 You saw a billy. We're like, oh, all the time 1:18:16.600 --> 1:18:19.000 we've been spending trying to like talk these nannies into 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:21.360 being billies, Like that's the sun bitch and billy, you know, 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:23.880 and you just know what knows that was true on 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:27.600 this one. But seeing all kinds of nannies, man. And 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:29.200 then the second day of the hunt, we woke up 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:33.120 and you couldn't see ship anything until like what time 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:36.960 of day one too, It was one o'clock fourth things, 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:40.360 and then you're just seeing parts and pieces. Well, it 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:42.320 was funny. The funniest thing about that day that really 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:46.040 stuck sticks with me is that we went to a 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:48.360 little glass and look out and we just went there 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:50.200 and we couldn't see anybody. Just went there anyways to 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:52.840 sit and see if we get some Claire windows. And 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:55.320 Kurt knew about another little looking spot he wanted to 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:58.559 go check out. That was a twenty minute walk if 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.400 at more, just like wrap along, wrap across the ridge 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:05.200 top and an upward direction, and you get a look 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.519 into this other bowl that actually drains down into a 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:11.439 different drainage. And uh, at one point where let's go 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:13.799 check it out, let's go verify that it's too foggy. 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:16.439 So we very if we walk up the like, oh wow, 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:20.120 it's foggy over here too, just like we expected, and 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.559 walked back and we get and here's the set of 1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:27.120 tracks solo, a single set of mountain boat tracks that 1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:33.639 not only walked through our We're like literally walked through 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:38.000 where we were sitting, we later learned, walked between two 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:42.400 of our tents and actually followed our bootprints in our 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:45.080 absence in the in the forty minutes that we were gone, 1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:49.040 came through our tents, followed our boot tracks through our 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:51.679 glass and spot, and then walked and wrapped around the hill. 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:56.439 Yeah literally, like if it was two inches to the right, 1:19:56.479 --> 1:20:00.519 it would have tripped on my my guides from on 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:04.639 my tent, walked like walked next to the tent within 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:09.960 well within three ft of our fire ring. Yeah, oh yeah, 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:12.840 they're like, I mean, there must have been so much 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.519 scent in that zone of us that it just was 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:19.479 and it just walked right through it. That's that's Murphy's law. 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:21.880 I know it's overdone, but that is Murphy's love. I 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:24.439 don't think that's Murphy's Murphy, what's your impression of Murphy's 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:27.439 lawder if it could go wrong? But that's not wrong. 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:32.759 You know. Actually I'm gonna adjust that if a goat, 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:36.040 in my mind, Murphy's if a goat were to walk 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:39.479 through camp and a glass and knob, it would happen 1:20:39.640 --> 1:20:45.640 while we're looking. Oh yeah's you're right. You're right. It 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:52.680 is Murphy's lost through when you're sitting there. Just I 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:56.480 think that they like, I think the only thing they 1:20:56.520 --> 1:20:58.200 I think they care a lot about what they see. 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:02.800 The smell is an so I think like their whole 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:09.200 groove of how they stay alive is based off um, 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:12.679 I'll see the problem and I'll go to a place 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:17.920 where nothing's gonna mess with me. Mm hmm. Well, and 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:21.240 that that saddle, that pass that we were in when 1:21:21.320 --> 1:21:24.559 I had the tag last year, the exact same thing happened. 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:28.760 It was just over a longer course of time. I 1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:32.439 had left camp, went up where we went, but then 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:34.639 I had gone up over the peak down the back 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:39.120 side and was probably gone for three hours. Came back 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:42.040 and there were three sets of tracks that came right 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:45.559 by my tent, right through that. So it's a little 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:48.080 goat mag it is it is, and that that that 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:49.840 bowl that we saw, I was coming right up through 1:21:49.880 --> 1:21:53.160 there as well. I think it's almost like a funnel. Yeah, 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:58.120 a little hot like a little hot tip. Is we're 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:02.360 a bunch of ridges whatnot, kind of like collide together 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:08.320 in a low benchy saddle, it's gonna come through. Yeah, 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:11.720 it's just like a little funnel. Yeah, there was what 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:16.680 three or four three drainages that or you know, the backside, 1:22:17.400 --> 1:22:20.160 there was a lot coming to that saddle. There was, 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:22.920 um but yeah, we lost a half day there. Just 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:27.040 don't add their chester. Yeah, that happened actually multiple times, 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:30.720 not just that one time. Uh, as I was going 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:34.240 to glass that night, there were more tracks in our 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:40.000 tracks going for the opposite direction. Um, like four sets 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:42.400 of tracks in our tracks going right up past our 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:48.000 camp again right in our tracks um, have you been 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:49.240 telling a lot of people that you got to play 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:51.559 guitar with Luke Holms? You got to play Luke Holms 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:56.479 guitar and sing? Chester is not even though, No, I haven't. 1:22:56.600 --> 1:22:59.720 Haven't told a lot of you haven't leveraged it socially. No, 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:05.759 he's got a wife. Yeah, I got a wife and 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:09.679 I liked being a little incognito. Do you real quick? 1:23:09.680 --> 1:23:11.639 How you how you been enjoying your marriage? You've been married? 1:23:11.680 --> 1:23:16.080 How long? Though? I've been married since August nine and 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.880 things are pretty good. I haven't got kicked to the 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:22.200 couch at or the doghouse, so I feel like I'm 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:24.160 doing pretty good. Did you guys know Chester got married 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:26.360 in a homemade bolow time made out of elk candler. 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:29.080 I don't know that, but I know did Chester make it? 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:32.800 I didn't make it. You're an artist who made it? 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:35.479 You like such a little craftsman. Sounds like a little 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:39.360 bird too. One of Danielle's friends made him for us. 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:42.479 Seth has one too. Yeah, he was in my wedding. 1:23:42.600 --> 1:23:45.240 When I saw a picture of Seth, he was basically 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:47.040 I saw a picture of Seth a wedding. He was 1:23:47.080 --> 1:23:49.400 basically at the point where like some uncle has his 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:54.040 neck tie tied around his head like a headband. There 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:58.439 was a lot of chest in the night, like a 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:01.320 cloud of smoke around him, like one aisle open. He 1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:04.240 probably it looked just look like he just caught the 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:07.639 guard belt. I think if there have been a series 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:10.000 of photos, like a burst of photos, it just would 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:12.880 have been that picture and then another following frames of 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:16.599 Seth just slowly tik me down to the ground. If 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:18.160 you'd have had the next time would have been tied 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:21.600 around your head. This is like dancing like. Sethi was 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.640 like ready to dance on the table. Yeah. No, I 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:26.280 had been dancing very hard. He was like, can they 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:31.040 play Money Money again? I was ready to do anything 1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:35.360 at that point. Yeah. He's like, oh, they could just 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:41.960 play Celebrate one more time. If they've turned on Mombo 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:46.439 number five, I'm gonna burn this place. That's probably the 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:48.800 most tuned up I've ever seen you, Seth. Oh, is 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:53.479 that right? It was a good reason to party, man, Yeah, yes, 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:57.000 you're getting married. Seth was saying he wants to um Seth. 1:24:57.320 --> 1:24:58.840 I don't know if you caught that, but Seth's kind 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:02.639 of wants to go to a bar with me. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:04.600 that's one of my life goals is to go to 1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:07.439 a bar with Steve. But we could we go to bar, 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:09.160 does it? What do you do you mean that because 1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:11.040 you think that that would mean I'll be real drunk 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:13.439 or just that that will be just I just like 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:15.080 going to dive bars, and I think it'd be cool 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:17.679 to just But what would you want me to do there? 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:20.800 Be be drunk and start a fight? Yeah I would 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:25.439 like that, I mean somebody with a stool to But no, 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.519 I just like chat and I go to dive bars 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:31.000 all the time. Just have a beer. Just oh I 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:33.240 would love to shoot. I want to set a date 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.760 to go just after you get your goat, I thought 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:39.920 getting the shot. Oh yeah, I'll do that right down 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:43.320 right down the street. You got it all picked out? Yeah, 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:47.080 just cross the railroad tracks. What we set I can't 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:52.160 perfect spot? Oh yeah that place? Oh yeah? Oh so 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.960 we want to get back to this thing though, But no, 1:25:55.479 --> 1:25:57.320 go I'll go. I don't go to bars, but I'll 1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.160 go to a bar. We could buffer you too, because 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.080 I don't want to get the see one niner man. 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:06.840 I's gonna wear my mask with a straw. My brother 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:08.960 thinks they ought to rebranded to see one niner. He 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:12.320 likes the sound of that better. It sounds more aggressive. Um, 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:15.479 we're trying to get a mask and poke a hole 1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:19.880 in it and run a straw. That's drink my shots 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:23.360 like that. That should be mandated'll be like z's free drinking. 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:26.479 How do you close the gap? You're gonna have to 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:31.400 like Chester Cocke, he's a he's a crafty guy. It 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:33.720 is a bummer coming back into town after being in 1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:35.760 the mountains for a couple of days. You're like, you 1:26:35.800 --> 1:26:38.679 do forget about COVID and like all the crazy stuff 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:41.599 going on. You're just like, yeah, that's all still here. 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:43.759 You know. It's better than a straw. Is a big 1:26:43.800 --> 1:26:46.600 hood where you can do all your hand functions in 1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:50.160 a thing like a bubble. Yeah. Oh yeah. There's like 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.240 a little pass through port where they can hand glasses. Yeah, 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:59.280 what's those balls down a hill? You know one of 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:03.200 those Remember when Et like when he got all sick 1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:06.360 that thing, right, Yeah, be like get to go to 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:10.120 the bar and at I'll go down there and get wasted. Yeah, 1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:12.240 but I don't like having the part of the reason 1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:15.040 I quit drinking a lot like the part of reason 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:20.400 I quit getting drunk, um was because I didn't think 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:22.840 it was fair to my kids, who didn't ask to 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:26.599 be born, right, they didn't like request to be born. 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:28.760 I didn't think it was fair to them to be 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:34.559 hungover in the morning. Yeah, that's some that I mean. 1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:37.680 And I found myself being like irritated on days that 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:40.360 I would be hung like on a Sunday or whatever, Saturday, whatever, 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:43.479 hell be hungover and sort of like irritated by their 1:27:43.520 --> 1:27:48.600 presence when they were little because they were needy in 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:52.760 the minute. I had that feeling and be like, dude, 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:54.439 they didn't like ask to come live in the house. 1:27:54.960 --> 1:27:57.200 It's like you had him and brought him and now 1:27:57.240 --> 1:28:03.040 you're annoyed at him. Should a made some different decisions, man. Yeah, 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:06.080 that's when I wanted to quit being drunk. No, that's 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:08.160 that's smart. A lot of people don't do this. Sick 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:11.879 of being hungover. Man. But I had two little cocktails 1:28:11.960 --> 1:28:14.800 last night. I had a coffee that you had a 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.840 little coffee. I had a coffee and then I had 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:22.160 a giant uh rum cocon party and coconut. What do 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:25.400 you call that? It's called Jimmy Buffett. I was reading 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:27.280 an article one time in a magazine. It was about 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:30.439 like what celebrities like drink, and I took note of that. 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:33.320 There was Jimmy Buffett was being featured and he was 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:36.599 saying how you can't get hung over coconut water drinking 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:42.880 coconut water and rum. I've disproven that, disproving that, but 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:58.880 it's a safe bet zero hangover this morning. Oh yeah, Mr. 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:04.759 Half day because the fall m yep tons of Nanny 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:07.839 show could have a lot of shot opportunities on Nanny's 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:12.280 stock opportunities, a lot of me thinking Nanny's were billies, 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:16.000 a lot of me trying to talk him into being billies, 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:22.120 just at least giving them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:26.160 But then what was it the second or the third 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:29.360 day that we ended the third day that we spotted 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:32.080 the one billy that we believe that it was the 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:38.960 one that we got on three days later. So and 1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:41.040 there were a couple of goats obviously that we're in 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:46.519 spots that were so far off the by themselves that 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:48.320 you would suspect that they were billies, but you just 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:51.760 couldn't verify it. Whether rolled in on a couple that 1:29:51.800 --> 1:29:56.680 were up high. Do you think trusting that we can 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:59.640 get it worked out and you're able to adjust your 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:03.720 schedule him go back out again. Um. I feel that 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:08.400 we would if we if we spend and we should 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:09.880 spend a day or two on this, I feel like 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:14.080 we would find that billy again. Yeah, yeah, I I 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:17.960 as long as he don't know, I would make that 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:20.639 my plan. But I wouldn't be surprised, and it would 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:23.479 you never really know, But I wouldn't be surprised that 1:30:23.560 --> 1:30:26.800 you'd be like, oh, he's like back in one of 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.519 those zones that we know him doing the habit. That 1:30:29.560 --> 1:30:31.600 would not surprise me in the least. You know what 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:33.920 you said when you spotted him. Huh, well, yeah, I 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:37.840 don't think you can stay it here. Oh no, no, 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:43.639 you had just spotted a ram and then you said bingo, 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:49.799 oh yeah, which is totally family friendly. That is family friendly, 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:54.320 he said, bingo. You would you would know if if 1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:56.880 you shot that goat, probably if it was the same one, 1:30:56.880 --> 1:31:01.120 because there might be a little tough to hair missing, 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:10.000 like that bear in the great outdoors. Yeah, oh my god. Man. Um, 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.120 there's six weeks. This is the will There'll be a 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:20.680 part two to this. There's six weeks of season left. Um, 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:30.559 I just really ah um, just so disappointed myself. I 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:34.519 was really disappointed for you at the time. You give 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:36.720 me a hog, I would have too, I'd still do it, 1:31:39.240 --> 1:31:44.400 but I looked that down. Yeah, I think I think 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:47.240 it's just a little bit of perspective because back to 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:49.160 when we were talking about it earlier, when you put 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:52.960 in for something like this for twenty two years, I 1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:54.680 think it's safe to say that you don't put in 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:59.760 for it because you want to go, yes, I'm doing 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:02.880 this like it would make an exchange. Yes, it is. 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:08.920 It is vastly about the experience that you have, the 1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:11.960 memories that you make, um, the things that you learn, 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:16.080 and kind of at least for me, and one of 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:18.160 the things that I really enjoy about this style of 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:20.920 hunting is that it's always pushing your envelope just a 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:26.960 little bit. Um that you're you're staying out when it's colder, Um, 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:31.000 you're accessing country that maybe you don't feel comfortable in. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:34.400 And every time you push that envelope, your envelope becomes 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:37.879 larger and you become more experienced, and you you become more confident, 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:42.720 and you don't I don't necessarily get that with other 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:46.240 styles of hunting that you do with the alpine style, 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:51.880 and so where your experience putting in for this for 1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:55.240 twenty two years could have ended at five days. It's 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:58.040 almost like a gift, you know, you get your tag again, 1:32:58.320 --> 1:32:59.880 you get to go again, you get to go have 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:04.599 those experience because it's so much different than than any 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.120 other style hunting, at least that I do well. She 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:11.800 hunting is very similar, but I don't know that. I 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:15.760 think that's why it's it's my favorite favorite time in 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:21.120 the outdoors, and it's not always the most fun at 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:24.720 the time. It's often the most challenging. I had been 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:27.439 in on a couple of one day go once and 1:33:27.520 --> 1:33:29.760 it was a little bit of like my impression. My 1:33:29.760 --> 1:33:31.840 old girlfriend has to the molaster, drew it once and 1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:34.240 we got it in today. My brother drew it, got 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.400 it today. Yeah, I feel like they can go either way. 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:41.519 I've heard. I've heard lots of stories and and the 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:44.240 odds definitely go up if you go in on the 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:49.400 earlier season. Everything becomes more complicated in the late season. 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:51.760 You have to have a different kid of gear, travels 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:57.719 different obviously, whether locating them becomes as we have seen, 1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:01.040 extremely tough. What makes you want to weight just for 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:03.040 people to weariness. What makes you want to wait is 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.160 that they get that big crazy hair. Yeah, because no 1:34:06.200 --> 1:34:09.360 one in the world is gonna get a mount and 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:14.960 goat and not have it the rug Tand yeah, I mean, 1:34:15.000 --> 1:34:20.000 I'm sure it happens, but that's generally like it's like 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:25.040 a muskox hide. You're like throwing a dumpster hopefully not. No, 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:28.920 it's like a thing of great beauty. It is. Yeah, 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:32.840 it's amazing, and especially this time of year they get 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:35.719 that thick wool because they end up with the longer 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:39.280 guard hairs, the hollow guard hairs, and then they get 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:45.760 that real fine wool, uh right next to skin and yeah, 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:49.280 there's nothing like it. So it's beautiful. Oh, Rich are 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:53.519 you willing to talk about your your Oh yeah, talk 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:56.840 to lay out your little decision making process there day. Well, 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:02.400 so yesterday we got into uh, going up to get 1:35:02.479 --> 1:35:08.439 that go that we spotted, and we got into an 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:13.200 avalanche shoot and I don't really know what happened, but 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:16.720 we got to a spot where we had kind of 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:23.120 tucked around. It's like pretty mellow climb right, like you 1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:25.080 could have gone up that in view of the goat 1:35:25.280 --> 1:35:28.080 but that stretch was like wide open. It was almost 1:35:28.080 --> 1:35:31.920 like pastory, like very mellow, but it was in view 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:34.360 of where the goat could have been. So to avoid 1:35:34.400 --> 1:35:36.800 going up that and getting spotted and blowing the goat out, 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:41.160 we wrapped around the edge of that, which happened to 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:47.160 be one side of a pretty steep avalanche shoot and 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:51.439 below is just like a river of timber and then 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:56.040 a little creek below that and the river of down 1:35:56.240 --> 1:36:00.040 timber debris field from an avalanche like pungee sticks of 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:06.320 like giant break yeah. Um, and we like started going 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:08.479 up that and then I think Kurt spotted the goat 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:10.519 right where you guys were pretty far away from me 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:13.200 and Garrett, and I think Garrett was in front of me, 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:16.400 And then we had to down climb that. I don't 1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:19.280 know what that was like sevent was that too much? 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.120 Pretty accurate? And that was I don't know what what 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:26.080 was the angle? It was steep. I remember looking at 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:28.519 Garrett and being like, this looks damn near vertical. Man. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.719 You stick your arm out and you're touching the ground. 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:34.680 I mean if you stick your arm out horizontal. And 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:37.720 we had crampons at this point and ice acts. We 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:39.920 weren't on ice. It was still like soft soil, so 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:45.320 you had purchase snow. Snow though wet snow so it's slippery. 1:36:45.720 --> 1:36:48.240 And I don't know what happened, Like something just gripped 1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:50.880 me and I just got like way out of my 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:53.840 comfort zone. And I've never had that happen on any 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.599 Meat Eater shoot. I've been shooting the show for five years, 1:36:56.600 --> 1:37:00.720 and I've never gotten like totally freaked and just not. 1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:04.200 I just felt like out of my ability to keep moving. 1:37:04.240 --> 1:37:06.559 And there's a thing like in climbing where you just 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:08.680 like freeze and you can't you just like don't know 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:11.160 how to make your body move. And that happened to 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:14.040 me like multiple times on that down climb, and it 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:19.880 was just so weird, like a hummingbird's lips, yeah, not 1:37:20.000 --> 1:37:23.519 a woodpecker. And uh so we find I get down, 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:26.439 we get down to this little spot where there's this 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:30.920 frozen waterfall, and yeah, I was just like I feel 1:37:31.160 --> 1:37:35.800 totally out of my ability to do this. And then 1:37:35.840 --> 1:37:38.280 you guys were all, you know, super super nice and 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.400 very supportive and and we're like, if you know, if 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:42.800 you don't want to do it, you don't have to 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:46.040 do it. And I made the call to to leave, 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:50.240 and it was a really hard decision. I felt very guilty, 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:54.120 really extremely But then you shared with this that you 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:57.400 had had but then you'd had this feeling of that 1:37:57.600 --> 1:38:04.959 something bad is gonna happen. I didn't want from that. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:08.479 I know the last thing you left us with was 1:38:08.720 --> 1:38:11.920 I'm feeling something bad's gonna happen. Well, I remember looking 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:14.880 at you guys just bee like be really really fucking safe, 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:18.559 and because something just felt fucking weird about the whole thing. Man, 1:38:18.880 --> 1:38:20.479 I mean, do you think it was totally my head? 1:38:20.520 --> 1:38:22.080 But you know, like once you get in your own 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:24.360 head about stuff, it's hard to get out of it. 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:26.760 But like, yeah, I noticed, like I could see it 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.360 was funny because just having been with you in a 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:33.400 lot of yeah, well, I mean there's a lot of situations, 1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:36.120 including a bunch of situations of steep stuff, wet snow 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:42.640 and just skipping along problem you go lucky. Um. I 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:46.720 it was like I watched you sort of have um 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:51.719 like I was like you would you You're totally fine, 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:53.479 Like I've just seen you do this so many times, 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:55.800 but you just had like a thing entered your head. 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:58.519 Something happened. Yeah, it was really weird and like not 1:38:58.560 --> 1:39:00.519 to not to say you shouldn't pay attention that you 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:02.160 have to pay attention to it, but to your point, 1:39:02.320 --> 1:39:07.240 like the day, the last day that we had camped 1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:10.160 before we rolled out because that big storm was coming in, 1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:12.759 we had gotten up on that one glass and knob 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:15.080 that was like when we were out on the end 1:39:15.120 --> 1:39:17.920 of it man, and if you had fallen off, you 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:21.840 would have been toast and we're skipping around him there 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:24.760 filming ship and like you were like you were disappointed 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:31.599 that that in that area, we were like mindful of time, 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.839 didn't want to go down in the dark. I couldn't 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:36.680 really see any reason to keep going. It was like 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.000 very dicey to keep going for like no reason. It 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:40.840 was like it wasn't like we were stalking something. It 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:43.200 was just like trying to find the source of a 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:46.280 set of mountain goat tracks. And you were like wanting 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:48.479 to keep going. And in my mind that would have 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:53.120 been like kind of like borderline stupid, yeah, because we 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:55.599 weren't like after something. It was just to the point 1:39:55.600 --> 1:39:58.559 where like I would go if there was a thing there, 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:00.400 if there was like a shot operate, like if we're 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:02.200 like Okay, there's ability, let's try to get a shot. 1:40:02.240 --> 1:40:04.439 Then I'm like, okay, let's just go. But I would 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:08.000 never be like just to get another twenty yards of 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:10.639 visibility over the top of the ridge. It just wasn't 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:14.040 worth it to me. Yeah, that didn't freak me out 1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:16.240 at all. But then you entered a little mind space. 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.840 There was just something about I just kept looking down 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:23.920 at that that avalanche shoot and just like I could 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:28.080 just like see my body all crumpled up like that 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:34.840 fucking goat. You shot my brains, fucking goneng by my 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:37.160 wristwash and I just like, yeah, man, I just got 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.519 like so rattled, and yeah, I don't. We sat there 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:42.320 for a long time, and you got like we gotta 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:45.439 like the goatskin way around all day. It was a 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:48.400 hard decision, man, it was really I came down bombed, 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:50.160 and I came down and talked to these guys. They 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:51.760 saw me come down the trail and they were all 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:55.960 worried all day. Chester ran up and thought everybody died. Yeah. 1:40:57.000 --> 1:41:00.479 The look on Chris's face, big wide open eye is like, 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:03.600 I mean, in some ways it kind of has a 1:41:03.640 --> 1:41:07.000 symmetry to Steve's miss shot, and that there's this sense 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:12.000 of of like I let the the greater hole down. Yeah, definitely, 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:17.200 uh yeah, I mean yeah, Chris, you were obviously like 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:21.479 very frazzled by not the decision, but the fact that 1:41:21.520 --> 1:41:24.240 you made the decision of that make sense. And it's 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:26.080 not like I'm not afraid of like not like I'm 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:27.559 not trying to be macho and me like, oh, I 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:29.120 can just do it. And what it was just like 1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:31.160 I don't care about that. The thing I care. I 1:41:31.160 --> 1:41:34.320 just don't want to not one do the thing that 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:36.800 I'm here to do, which is to film the show, 1:41:37.600 --> 1:41:41.719 and also not have this experience that I love having 1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:44.280 with all you guys. So like it was, Yeah, it 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:47.760 was just a it's weird, man, It's I'm gonna be 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:49.160 thinking about it for for a long time, much like your 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:51.479 goat thing when you wake up too in the morning. 1:41:53.160 --> 1:42:00.639 Let's talk about talking. Why don't you tell me about 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.519 the hair thing? Go ahead, Chester, then we're gonna we're 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:06.559 gonna wait and then we're gonna we're gonna wrap her 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:09.760 up because then we're gonna part two. Man, I'm gonna 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:13.280 call that episode the return. This episode be the miss 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:16.120 the reason why I think these guys all like passed 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:18.160 away up there is because you didn't hear what I said. 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:20.680 You were walking down the trail Chris towards me and 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:24.000 I said, is everything okay? And you kind of had 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:26.400 this You shook your head no and you had your 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:31.920 head down. And at that moment, I trying to give 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:33.840 you guys a thumbs up because that entered my head 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:35.800 that like, oh, they're probably thinking something bad happens. So 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:37.439 I try to be like, no, it's all good, gone 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:44.120 to Heaven up they're up. Ah, yeah, man, Yeah it 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:48.120 was weird. It was a weird one long time left. Yeah, 1:42:48.479 --> 1:42:51.600 I just am So. You know what celebrities do a 1:42:51.640 --> 1:42:55.400 thing that they got to apologize on Instagram, They make 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.639 the apology video. I'm doing a lot more listening than 1:42:58.640 --> 1:43:02.080 talking these days. That's like one of the things. And 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:04.719 you also have to um be like I'm very humbled. 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:09.000 I'm humbold. Yeah. If I didn't do anything bad, I 1:43:09.000 --> 1:43:13.360 didn't do like a celebrity mistake. I'm just humbled, humbling 1:43:13.479 --> 1:43:16.720 train the whole deal is humbling about the miss dude, 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:21.360 I know, but it's it's all part of it. Yeah, yeah, 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:23.880 I say, if you're if you're not learning you ain't earning. 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:31.760 Oh yeah, buddy poetry, how's that go again? If you're 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:34.360 if you're not learning, you ain't earning. That's what I'm 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:37.320 gonna call this episode. That's a good one. And then 1:43:37.360 --> 1:43:44.519 the next episode will be the second miss or it'll 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:51.080 be the fall of the Goat, the lost the lost 1:43:51.240 --> 1:43:57.280 body be like an Evert an Everst character. All right, man, 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:02.960 we'll be back with a dead goat. With Noble Steve 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:06.960 so struck with grief and saddled with self loathing. We 1:44:07.080 --> 1:44:11.000 knew he'd have to try again or else he'd risk imploding. 1:44:11.760 --> 1:44:15.880 So we mobilize the cavalry, the whole meat eater crew, 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:20.000 and sent Noble Steve back on the hunt. Here's the 1:44:20.080 --> 1:44:30.400 story of Attempt number two. Okay, we're back for part two. 1:44:31.439 --> 1:44:33.439 The only difference now is that it'll you'll you'll notice 1:44:33.439 --> 1:44:35.559 a slight sound difference because we're not in our studio. 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:37.840 And also you'll this part to the Mountain got deal 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:41.360 and uh, Chris Ridge Pounder Gil is not with us. 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:46.360 Oh than a remind refresh everyone's memory. Who's here. I'm 1:44:46.360 --> 1:44:55.240 feeling a lot better. I feel a lot better. Rick. Yeah, 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:58.800 I'm I'm happy that you feel better, because when you 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:01.840 feel better, that means we don't have to keep going 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:06.160 out there because I know, yeah, people were worried. Chester 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:10.720 still here, Chester still here, Seth. Even though to you 1:45:10.760 --> 1:45:14.360 the listener, this this part one just rolled into part two. 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:18.240 But what you don't realize that, uh, it's a long 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:23.000 time later. Summer, summer came back, Summer came back. Winner 1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:26.880 just showed up, Seth. Girlfriend shot a testicle. This dear yep, 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:32.320 real nice cactus buck fatty right, fatty dirt got dere 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:39.880 Kurt hasn't got shipped, Andrey got here too. Prospects though, 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:45.400 um uh, we'll get back to the mountain, go and 1:45:45.439 --> 1:45:48.680 conclude our saga. But but talk about the explain the 1:45:48.680 --> 1:45:51.640 cactus buck deal. I think people think so this is 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:57.040 a crazy story. Um my girlfriend Kelsey, she was it. 1:45:57.120 --> 1:45:59.639 Last last week, No, a week and a half ago. 1:46:00.280 --> 1:46:02.559 We spent a week out in eastern Montana deer hunting, 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:08.080 first week of the season. And um, the one night 1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:12.280 we went out with Kelsey to try and find her 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:17.280 a buck, and we were six miles from our camp 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:24.120 and we found this really cool cactus buck, still in velvet. 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.640 Its right side was somewhat normal, left side. It was 1:46:27.720 --> 1:46:32.519 just like a just like six points sticking out of 1:46:32.560 --> 1:46:36.639 the base of its antler, where like an aniler should be. Yeah, 1:46:36.640 --> 1:46:42.080 this is like a hormonal imbalance, right and um. For 1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:44.240 whatever reason, we couldn't get on that buck that buck 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:46.360 that evening. We'd like crest the hill and he'd be 1:46:46.400 --> 1:46:48.880 a thousand yards away, and then go over hill. We 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:52.320 get to that hill, he'd be a thousand yards away. 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:55.920 He's out trying to find his testicles. Maybe I don't know, 1:46:56.760 --> 1:47:00.439 he's not gonna find him. Oh, I you know what 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:02.439 you know, I stopped the other day, take my ljs off? 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:04.120 What you know how I took the other day? I 1:47:04.200 --> 1:47:06.519 got hot and stopped and took my long John's off. Left. 1:47:06.520 --> 1:47:09.720 Those sons of bitches layd there. Who walks away from 1:47:09.720 --> 1:47:13.479 their long John's. Guess he's walking away from a track 1:47:13.520 --> 1:47:19.160 and bowl to stand up and walk away from your 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:22.400 long john more priorities. So someone's gonna be like, oh, 1:47:22.439 --> 1:47:25.320 it's weird fair long johns. Maybe the long Johns. I 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:32.960 started looking for the corpse that would be mum anyway. Um, 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:35.160 So we didn't get on that buck that even the 1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:38.320 next morning, we decided to go on a quick bird 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:40.280 hunt in the morning rather than deer hunt, because there 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:43.720 was birds everywhere. And we're back at our camp, and 1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:47.439 we left camp and walked over this one ridge and 1:47:47.760 --> 1:47:49.920 I glassed up on the hill and sure enough there's 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:53.200 that same book six air miles from where we had 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:57.679 seen him the night before. Who knows how how far, 1:47:57.880 --> 1:48:01.000 like with you know, he could to walk twelve miles 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:04.719 that night, hard to say, And it was, so it's distinct, 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:07.320 and it's without a doubt because it's such a weird 1:48:07.400 --> 1:48:11.680 like how many like bucks in velvet with a weird growth? Yeah, 1:48:11.760 --> 1:48:14.040 which the weird thing was that area. We had seen 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:18.360 seven different bucks in velvet that there's a thing on code. 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:21.160 There's if you've heard of on Kodiak. There's like an 1:48:21.200 --> 1:48:28.639 area that's famous for these these hormonally imbalanced cactus bucks 1:48:28.680 --> 1:48:32.880 that like have weird formation in the velvet dries on 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:36.280 the rack. When you say cactus buck, I mean I 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:42.000 got that. They get these thorny looking antlers, these like 1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:47.559 clubby Goofy's not the whole time I've been alive, I 1:48:47.600 --> 1:48:50.439 didn't start hearing It's like I never heard about this. 1:48:51.120 --> 1:48:53.200 Now every other day I hear about it from somebody, 1:48:53.400 --> 1:48:56.240 And just just by thumbing through Instagram, I have seen 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:58.920 several deer that have been taken this year. They were 1:48:58.920 --> 1:49:03.479 still in velvet, different dates to Montana, Utah. Deer are 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:08.440 getting less manly. Yeah, crisis of masculinity and the deer population. 1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:14.040 And this deer, this man some academic papers. All the 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:16.519 bucks that we had seen that week, we're hanging out 1:49:16.560 --> 1:49:20.200 with other bucks. Up until this point, that was the 1:49:20.240 --> 1:49:22.639 only buck that we had seen. It was hanging out 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:25.280 with those like he just thought he was just one 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:26.920 of one of the ladies, you know. And then his 1:49:27.040 --> 1:49:29.559 berries were I was saying that he had lost him, 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:33.920 but they were dwarf. They looked normal there. He had 1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:38.000 a intact sack, and when I felt that, it just 1:49:38.240 --> 1:49:41.080 felt like there was nothing there. There's nothing in there, 1:49:41.120 --> 1:49:43.720 not the sender or something like it. Did you had, 1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:46.599 you know what, maybe that's what happened. It didn't even 1:49:46.600 --> 1:49:48.840 feel like there were any little raisins in there, you know, 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:50.760 like he had the coin theres but there was no 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:55.640 change in drop. So you could just go on and 1:49:55.680 --> 1:50:00.960 on with these metaporters. It's endlessly amusing. It's interesting, man 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:04.240 um Anybody if you want to read up on this 1:50:04.360 --> 1:50:06.240 just go type in like cactus buck and there's all. 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:09.599 There's way better explanations than we're providing. But it has 1:50:09.640 --> 1:50:15.720 to do with like it not having it's uh, the 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:19.880 proper dose of its masculine hormones, and for somehow it 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:25.160 like leads to weird antler growth and then the velvet 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:29.720 tends to dry yep on them, you could see a 1:50:30.320 --> 1:50:33.479 The funny thing is at six miles that it traveled, 1:50:33.520 --> 1:50:36.800 you could see like a really ruddy buck, you know, 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:42.400 cruising that distance. But why why you know, hermaphrodite dear 1:50:43.479 --> 1:50:46.200 or whatever you want to call it traveling? That doesn't 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:48.240 make any sense. I don't know. I picked up and 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:51.760 moved that far that night he was looking was poor 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:55.400 poor choice on his part because and again pushed around 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:58.840 like others. Yeah, maybe he gets his ass kicked all 1:50:58.840 --> 1:51:01.880 the time. Maybe he just doesn't have the same amount 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:03.640 of one of the biggest body deer though I've ever 1:51:03.680 --> 1:51:06.599 seen my life. Yeah, that's odd thing too, just huge. 1:51:07.320 --> 1:51:10.280 Did you guys taste it yet? Um? I don't know. 1:51:10.680 --> 1:51:12.639 We we we didn't do a good job of keeping 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:15.680 track of well, once you got home, everything got all 1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:23.479 mixed up. Yeah. Um, so we went back like ended 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:27.000 the mountain go hunting in despair. I had a midlife crisis. 1:51:28.200 --> 1:51:31.559 And it was winter. It was cold, cold. I went 1:51:31.560 --> 1:51:33.920 through a midlife crisis. It's over now. I didn't buy 1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:37.599 a car or anything, but I had a midlife crisis. 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:40.680 It kept you awake at night, kept me awake at night. 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:43.920 Not only that, my wife noticed the difference in me. 1:51:45.120 --> 1:51:48.720 She knew that the missing hurt me hard. I heard 1:51:48.760 --> 1:51:50.479 she was making fun of you for it made fun 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:53.519 of me. I felt embarrassed whenever I was around Kurt 1:51:54.960 --> 1:51:59.240 when Jimmy, really, you go blow Kurt? If I only 1:51:59.280 --> 1:52:03.200 could know, Uh, my wife is friendly with Kurt's wife. 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:07.280 So I'll eventually find out what Kurt said about truly 1:52:07.360 --> 1:52:13.679 felt What about your your boy? That company? Oh, Jimmy 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:17.240 was not so you disappointed in your dad? My boy 1:52:17.320 --> 1:52:24.160 was not happy, just very like what Mr Pierce doesn't 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:27.679 understand how it could happen? Turned into summer again, turned 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:34.960 back in the winter, and um, we went back into 1:52:34.960 --> 1:52:38.719 the same vicinity and it was just like it felt 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:40.519 to me like I mean, there was always it felt 1:52:40.560 --> 1:52:42.200 to me like a lot of mountain golts had moved 1:52:42.200 --> 1:52:45.680 into that valley for whatever reason, yeah, or I don't know, 1:52:45.840 --> 1:52:50.200 didn't it. Oh yeah, they were just everywhere. They were everywhere. Yeah. 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:52.479 How many did we count that first day in the 1:52:52.560 --> 1:52:55.559 zone that we were in and we were only in 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:58.920 one couple dozen once. I mean, it wasn't a small job, 1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:04.960 but it was just a fraction of the area. So 1:53:05.000 --> 1:53:09.160 we went back, had a great beautiful weather window, got 1:53:09.200 --> 1:53:11.559 after one billy that laid up in a in a 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:13.599 spot that made it very difficult to shoot at him, 1:53:13.600 --> 1:53:16.040 almost like he tends it, almost like it was his notion, 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:21.599 almost like he meant it. Um didn't work out. The 1:53:21.640 --> 1:53:24.759 next day went out and we realized something was happening 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:27.599 that I didn't really even going into this, didn't wasn't 1:53:27.640 --> 1:53:30.519 aware of. Is that you enter into that you start 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:36.880 getting close to the mountain go rut. Yeah. So the 1:53:37.400 --> 1:53:42.680 we found two bands, like two groups of nanny's what 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:45.840 like six to a dozen, I don't know, and each 1:53:45.880 --> 1:53:50.120 of them had a billy mixed in. Yeah, and they 1:53:50.120 --> 1:53:54.519 were close to one another. They were only yards apart. Yeah, definitely, 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:58.720 like like the groups would definitely be aware of each 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:03.040 other and and you know, like interacting in somewhere or another. 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:08.680 And it made it, Uh, after a lot of frustration 1:54:08.720 --> 1:54:10.519 and looking at billy's that were hard to get to 1:54:10.760 --> 1:54:12.479 or wanting how you're going to get to them, and 1:54:12.520 --> 1:54:14.479 wondering where you're gonna shoot from if you do get 1:54:14.520 --> 1:54:20.559 to them. It was like, Um, it was as though 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:26.960 one laid it out on a blueprint. You're talking Saturday, 1:54:27.560 --> 1:54:30.080 What did I'm sorry if I'm not being clear. Yeah, 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:38.800 the one we got was so perfectly positioned two where 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:41.760 if you imagine like a little crease in a mountain, 1:54:42.040 --> 1:54:45.160 it's like on one side of the crease and the 1:54:45.160 --> 1:54:48.880 opposing ridge you could just sneak up, walk up, pop over, 1:54:49.000 --> 1:54:53.360 shoot across everything perfect. Yeah, when there's six of us 1:54:53.480 --> 1:54:56.520 versus just two people that you know are it's like 1:54:56.560 --> 1:55:00.680 a whole different footprint for for travel. So having that 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:06.200 goat in a good position otherwise it's just like six people, 1:55:06.240 --> 1:55:09.240 are you know something? You know even if you sneak 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:12.480 around pretty good, something's gonna Did you guys end up 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:15.440 seeing another billy when you popped up? Did not Kurt 1:55:15.520 --> 1:55:20.400 look forward to? Yeh? I find that there's some poetic 1:55:20.680 --> 1:55:26.240 poetic justice. Maybe that's not the word. Um that the 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:32.320 shot difference, It was the exact same shot, and uh, 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:35.560 I didn't have my struggles this time, didn't miss. It 1:55:35.640 --> 1:55:37.400 was a little it was three or five, right, three 1:55:37.520 --> 1:55:42.680 or six. But I found out in the days after 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:46.600 with ing my shot and contemplating it, I found out 1:55:46.600 --> 1:55:49.800 a number of things, a bunch of little perfect like 1:55:49.840 --> 1:55:53.240 a bunch of small things that added up. I went in. 1:55:53.560 --> 1:55:56.520 I had a rifle that I had said at a 1:55:56.560 --> 1:56:02.920 two yard zero without actually making an actual two yards zero, 1:56:02.920 --> 1:56:05.880 like I arrived at it through math what my two 1:56:06.280 --> 1:56:10.440 yards zero is, and in that process screwed up so 1:56:10.560 --> 1:56:15.160 that my two yards zero was already high. Anyway. Then 1:56:15.160 --> 1:56:17.960 I had like a a dope chart, you know, like 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:21.800 a drop chart, and I think that I think that 1:56:21.800 --> 1:56:24.120 when I pulled that chart up, I was being lazy 1:56:24.160 --> 1:56:26.280 and maybe even um I don't know if the auto 1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:29.520 filled that sea level or whatever. I don't know, but 1:56:29.720 --> 1:56:34.280 I was already high. My little dope chart was off 1:56:34.320 --> 1:56:37.000 to make it more high. And then I was trying 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:40.640 to shoot the mountain go in the high shoulder, not 1:56:40.720 --> 1:56:46.720 accounting for the massive amount of nothingness beneath the hair, 1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:51.640 so that I was probably already kind of aiming at 1:56:51.720 --> 1:56:54.960 not even aiming at the mountain Go anyways, and yeah, 1:56:55.080 --> 1:56:58.880 just shot over his back and this time I went 1:56:58.880 --> 1:57:03.120 back to normal aim and got him. Yeah that's a 1:57:03.120 --> 1:57:07.360 good group. Um yeah, I forgot what you said when 1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:10.000 we walked up to that goat, but when we skinned him, 1:57:10.040 --> 1:57:14.200 you said, like, that's that looks like a pretty tight 1:57:14.240 --> 1:57:18.920 group right there. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of shots, a 1:57:18.960 --> 1:57:21.920 few shots there that that all seemed to be like terminal. 1:57:22.440 --> 1:57:27.320 But he didn't show like Kurt confirmed the first hit 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:30.960 was a hit, but he sure didn't show the signs 1:57:31.000 --> 1:57:33.200 of that. Yeah, he soaked up some rounds. Yeah, I 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:40.560 was surprised. Um four and a half years old and 1:57:40.640 --> 1:57:42.600 the bile I went, I just this morning took it 1:57:42.640 --> 1:57:44.280 to get it check. You have to with a mountain goot, 1:57:44.280 --> 1:57:45.720 you have to take it in to get it examined. 1:57:45.760 --> 1:57:50.000 And they pull a tooth and by looking at the 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:55.960 tooth eruption, well looking at the annual I so you 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:57.840 can count growth rings out him and Kurt, you had 1:57:57.840 --> 1:57:59.760 a peg to four and a half years. But you 1:57:59.800 --> 1:58:01.920 can see the lamb tip or the kid tip. I 1:58:01.920 --> 1:58:03.680 guess like this first year growth and you see the 1:58:03.720 --> 1:58:08.200 annually rings. Kurt pegged it at four and a half. Um. 1:58:08.240 --> 1:58:11.200 The biologists also felt four and a half based on 1:58:12.160 --> 1:58:17.680 the annually and then the tooth eruption. The dental pattern 1:58:19.160 --> 1:58:21.680 also backed up four and a half. But then they'll 1:58:21.680 --> 1:58:25.160 send it off for like a cementum analysis. And an 1:58:25.200 --> 1:58:27.800 old goat is like ten years older, and Kurt shot one. 1:58:27.960 --> 1:58:32.480 It was, Yeah, I shot one of those eight And yeah, 1:58:32.480 --> 1:58:35.960 I've heard of multiple goats being in that ten and 1:58:36.640 --> 1:58:40.640 I think from what I've seen, very similar to what 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:45.360 you'll see with sheep where they can get twelve thirteen. Wow, 1:58:46.240 --> 1:58:49.040 But I know it gets it gets really tough to 1:58:49.120 --> 1:58:51.200 count those rings when you have a goat that old, 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:54.280 because they all stack up right there at the bottom. 1:58:54.440 --> 1:58:56.600 And yeah, it's not like a sheet where it's spread 1:58:56.640 --> 1:59:01.400 out over thirty six to you or whatever. So this 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:04.320 thing's horn, it's long horn was nine inches and it's 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:08.040 shorter horn was I think eight and five six eight 1:59:08.200 --> 1:59:10.040 or something like that, eight in five eighths. I can't remember. 1:59:10.920 --> 1:59:14.440 Very very sharp horns on it, very long, like long 1:59:14.480 --> 1:59:18.680 winter coat, but not old like not a giant tasty, 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:21.560 very tasty. And when I was down today getting my 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:24.080 thing checked, the guy, I don't know if I told 1:59:24.080 --> 1:59:26.000 you guys this. The guy was in there with two 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:32.520 big horn deadheads, very old, look the same vintage, looked 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:34.600 like the same where on him one of them had 1:59:34.640 --> 1:59:37.240 a little bit of sheath on it still, and he 1:59:37.280 --> 1:59:39.960 was getting him checked in and so he could keep 1:59:40.000 --> 1:59:43.000 him for himself. Oh, he just found him, brought him 1:59:43.000 --> 1:59:45.400 in to get him, brought him in to get him certified. 1:59:45.480 --> 1:59:46.920 Like you uhould not be able to have it at all. 1:59:47.080 --> 1:59:49.280 Right now, if you find when you can get it 1:59:49.360 --> 1:59:52.280 checked it, did that change it this year? Last year? 1:59:52.600 --> 1:59:55.880 It was either last year or the year before. It's 1:59:55.960 --> 1:59:59.680 just just as I think this is the second hunting 1:59:59.760 --> 2:00:02.080 Sea and where if you found something you could take 2:00:02.080 --> 2:00:03.880 it in everywhere, because I mean I was, I was 2:00:03.920 --> 2:00:06.640 telling you guys, we found that one on Grand Canyon 2:00:07.000 --> 2:00:11.360 and you couldn't keep it. Yeah, and and I believe 2:00:11.400 --> 2:00:15.560 it's it's it's obviously different between types of land national 2:00:15.600 --> 2:00:18.080 forests or public ground post too. Oh. I wouldn't even 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:21.800 see a public ground, but I like parks and that 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:24.640 that's that's outside of that realm. So you didn't have 2:00:24.720 --> 2:00:27.280 to check that at one time. Did a thing at 2:00:27.360 --> 2:00:32.000 the New Mexico Fishing Game has this fundraiser where they 2:00:32.120 --> 2:00:36.560 sell they auction. It's like for the it's like for 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:38.480 a group that's sort of supported. I can't hember how 2:00:38.480 --> 2:00:41.720 it works. New Mexico Fishing Game Department, like some affiliate 2:00:41.840 --> 2:00:47.320 organization or them. They have an annual auction where they 2:00:47.440 --> 2:00:50.760 um they auction off like tags and stuff, governors tags one. 2:00:50.840 --> 2:00:52.680 I think they do it at this, but they also 2:00:52.800 --> 2:00:55.280 auction off all the ship that gets hit by cars, 2:00:55.760 --> 2:00:59.160 all the poach stuff, all the stuff that people find. 2:00:59.720 --> 2:01:01.760 And they had all kinds of big horn heads down there. 2:01:03.200 --> 2:01:11.040 It was for whatever you found it, laying um confiscated stuff. Uh. 2:01:11.160 --> 2:01:12.760 I heard about a guy at one time that had 2:01:12.880 --> 2:01:19.800 killed a bear in self defense and had to turn 2:01:19.880 --> 2:01:25.480 into hide and skull, and then later went down to 2:01:25.560 --> 2:01:29.320 the auction just as an anonymous person and bought his 2:01:29.400 --> 2:01:35.720 bear back, and he had skinned it in some weird way, 2:01:35.840 --> 2:01:38.600 so he had like made the cuts in some unorthodox 2:01:38.680 --> 2:01:40.800 fashion so that he knew for sure it was the one, 2:01:40.840 --> 2:01:42.800 because they then got it tanned, and he went down 2:01:42.800 --> 2:01:45.000 and bought it at auction and knew it was his 2:01:45.080 --> 2:01:49.360 because he'd skinned it in some way to leave his 2:01:49.440 --> 2:01:53.040 mark on. And so now he's got his own totally legal, 2:01:53.080 --> 2:01:55.160 but got his own thing back. What are you with 2:01:55.200 --> 2:01:57.280 your goal? You're gonna how are you gonna have that? 2:01:57.320 --> 2:02:03.840 Finished out? A rug with the head in? I had 2:02:03.880 --> 2:02:06.280 a I had a tar him alan tar like that that. 2:02:06.320 --> 2:02:08.760 I gave you a buddy. Imagine like a classic bear 2:02:08.880 --> 2:02:12.000 rug with two horns sticking out the top on the floor. 2:02:12.040 --> 2:02:14.360 Is it gonna be draped on the wall? The horns 2:02:14.360 --> 2:02:17.280 are too sharp? Danger? I got a mountain lion I 2:02:17.320 --> 2:02:21.320 did like that. That's on the wall. Um, I got it, 2:02:21.400 --> 2:02:23.600 like I said, I gave that tar away and then yeah, 2:02:23.600 --> 2:02:25.080 I'm gonna hang on the wall because the horns of 2:02:26.080 --> 2:02:29.160 your kids can't be running around on that. No trip 2:02:29.480 --> 2:02:32.400 trip on that thing came over, dude, its sharp, man. 2:02:33.240 --> 2:02:37.160 I was surprised by that. You attack it to the 2:02:37.200 --> 2:02:40.760 ceiling maybe so now, Um no, I'm gonna put it 2:02:40.760 --> 2:02:43.760 on the wall. Yeah, you don't got much wall space. 2:02:44.640 --> 2:02:50.200 I got a little spot for it. Okay, real quickly. 2:02:50.240 --> 2:02:52.240 You know that giant buck dug during shot all those 2:02:52.320 --> 2:02:55.960 years ago, they call the standards. Doug took it down. 2:02:56.920 --> 2:02:58.880 Uh dog took it down to the tax and there 2:02:58.880 --> 2:03:00.880 I was. You know, this is a good story. He 2:03:00.880 --> 2:03:02.840 takes his buck down to the tax there was and 2:03:04.920 --> 2:03:07.080 people are out dropping all their stuff off. But like 2:03:07.120 --> 2:03:08.800 the text and it was just like get all these 2:03:08.840 --> 2:03:10.760 cars out of the way, you know, let this guy 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:16.000 pull in. And and a guy asked Doug, um what 2:03:16.040 --> 2:03:18.120 he's gonna do with it? And dogs like you've never 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:20.240 taken anything to a tax nervous before you noise? I 2:03:20.280 --> 2:03:22.920 don't know. I guess I just like to get the 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:26.520 head mounted. And he said this, gaggles, that was my dear. 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:30.240 I had stuffed the whole damn thing and I got 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:36.440 a place where I could put it. All right. We 2:03:36.480 --> 2:03:39.560 had agreed that, um, wasn't it. We're supposed to have 2:03:39.560 --> 2:03:42.760 a shot. That's chester Chester's rule. This is like a 2:03:42.960 --> 2:03:46.840 like a like a Wisconsin celebration. Yeah, kind of we 2:03:47.240 --> 2:03:49.360 were in Wisconsin and you shot a buck, we'd have 2:03:49.440 --> 2:03:56.120 some kind of drinking that that conversation, remember we were 2:03:56.120 --> 2:03:58.080 talking how we would like to go to a bar 2:03:58.200 --> 2:04:00.640 with Steve, but I don't go to bars, but you 2:04:00.680 --> 2:04:04.120 don't go to bars. And then this it turned into 2:04:04.480 --> 2:04:06.920 chat saying if you get one, we need to have 2:04:06.960 --> 2:04:10.000 a shot. You know, when I get s one niner, 2:04:10.880 --> 2:04:13.960 it's not gonna because I got that a bar. Yeah, 2:04:14.600 --> 2:04:18.200 I wish I could say the same. I want. I 2:04:18.200 --> 2:04:19.760 don't want it to be that. I was like, oh yeah, 2:04:19.760 --> 2:04:21.680 he got C one nine? Or is that a bar? 2:04:23.440 --> 2:04:27.640 What are you? What's the cheers? Was Johnny was here, 2:04:27.640 --> 2:04:29.960 he'd probably have a laughing one to a success you got, 2:04:30.080 --> 2:04:34.040 you got a good sky each year. Um to the 2:04:34.160 --> 2:04:37.360 good ships, the bad ships and chips that sail the sea. 2:04:37.520 --> 2:04:40.120 But the best ships are friendships, and may they always 2:04:40.120 --> 2:04:51.200 be box big goats. O. IM pretty sure that's an Irish. 2:04:54.320 --> 2:04:56.000 My problem is I was gonna slurt mine just to 2:04:56.000 --> 2:04:58.120 make a loud noise so people people could have an 2:04:58.160 --> 2:05:03.360 experience with me. But holy ship, that's smooth, right, he's 2:05:03.400 --> 2:05:10.280 already looking at the bottle? Was that booned Crocket Club 2:05:10.280 --> 2:05:13.360 whiskey seven? Seth gave me a bottle of that for 2:05:13.480 --> 2:05:16.800 my birthday. Steve was over there that day and I 2:05:16.840 --> 2:05:21.360 think we finished the whole bottle off that night. Okay, 2:05:21.400 --> 2:05:24.640 here's we were saying earlier. I first applied for mountain 2:05:24.680 --> 2:05:34.480 goat tag in this state. Uh, and finally Drew kurt you, 2:05:34.560 --> 2:05:36.280 I don't know what you You probably applied since you 2:05:36.280 --> 2:05:38.040 were a little kid. Is this your first mountain coat tag? 2:05:38.280 --> 2:05:41.480 Last year, or had you drawn before in Montana? I 2:05:41.520 --> 2:05:43.560 was the first one, and you had you been at 2:05:43.600 --> 2:05:45.760 it for forever. I hadn't because the whole time I 2:05:45.800 --> 2:05:50.000 lived in Alaska, so we just hunted gold up. Just yeah, 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:52.440 so I wasn't until I move back. Got you started 2:05:52.440 --> 2:05:56.760 putting in getting points. But um, you're prohibited after you draw. 2:05:58.640 --> 2:06:02.200 You're prohibited from even a lying for seven years. Correct, 2:06:02.880 --> 2:06:04.760 So you're six years You got six years to go. 2:06:05.320 --> 2:06:09.840 I'm entering my seven year hiatus, hiatus from even applying. 2:06:10.400 --> 2:06:12.800 It took me twenty two years to draw last time. 2:06:14.240 --> 2:06:18.280 I'm forty six. That puts me the I can't do 2:06:18.320 --> 2:06:22.920 that kind of that level of arithmetic. If I wait 2:06:23.280 --> 2:06:26.560 the seven and then go twenty two, who's good a math? 2:06:29.120 --> 2:06:36.560 Seventy five years old SI plus twenty nine, sty're looking 2:06:36.600 --> 2:06:40.280 into an easier unit. Let's even if even if you 2:06:40.320 --> 2:06:42.960 only go ten or fifteen, you're still you're still in 2:06:43.000 --> 2:06:45.920 your sixth decade. Yeah, I don't know how many more 2:06:46.040 --> 2:06:47.960 years I got, how many more years of this I 2:06:47.960 --> 2:06:50.600 got left in me? That's a that's a tough I 2:06:50.640 --> 2:06:53.280 like it. The Kurts older me because he's fine. Oh yeah, 2:06:54.080 --> 2:06:57.400 he's better than I am he's more spry. You guys 2:06:57.400 --> 2:06:59.760 are both real spry. I was really happy to hear 2:06:59.800 --> 2:07:04.320 that you were feeling bad because it helps. Dirt diagnosed 2:07:04.400 --> 2:07:08.200 me not having enough of Regano extract. I got something. 2:07:09.920 --> 2:07:12.200 Steve was complaining about jello legs as we're, you know, 2:07:12.240 --> 2:07:16.760 going up three thousand vertical feet and uh, I mean, 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:18.960 you gotta take your time no matter what. But that 2:07:19.000 --> 2:07:22.560 helps me out toning along a camera. Yeah, yeah, that 2:07:22.640 --> 2:07:25.160 was a big hike Friday. That wasn't That was the 2:07:25.160 --> 2:07:29.000 biggest hike at the trip. I think big and slow 2:07:29.960 --> 2:07:35.920 as far as gain Friday, Yeah, yeah, by that not Saturday. Okay, 2:07:35.920 --> 2:07:39.800 I'm gonna have the rest of my shot. All right, 2:07:39.840 --> 2:07:43.680 everybody out there listening, Uh, rest easy. My midlife crisis 2:07:43.720 --> 2:07:48.080 is over. I got my mountain go seven years. I'm 2:07:48.080 --> 2:07:50.160 gonna be back into the game. Or like Sid, get 2:07:50.160 --> 2:07:53.480 the get the kids, take the kids out. Listen, man, 2:07:53.840 --> 2:07:55.640 I'm gonna see how many how many points do they have? 2:07:55.760 --> 2:08:00.240 My five year old has two points? How manna ways? 2:08:00.400 --> 2:08:03.800 Jimmy f too? Oh he does? I have four? This 2:08:03.760 --> 2:08:06.200 is gonna be a while. Yeah yeah. My kid will 2:08:06.240 --> 2:08:08.920 turn twelve when he's first able to apply for a 2:08:08.960 --> 2:08:11.680 limited permit. He'll be coming into the draw. I can't 2:08:11.680 --> 2:08:15.160 do that level of math. I don't know. He'll have 2:08:15.280 --> 2:08:18.800 nine points I did do it. Is there an average 2:08:18.800 --> 2:08:21.600 on how long it takes is twenty two years? Comment. 2:08:21.720 --> 2:08:28.560 What this state does is they square your points. So 2:08:28.640 --> 2:08:32.760 let's say you accumulate a point one times one is one, 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:35.960 so you're in the draw once. But let's say you're 2:08:35.960 --> 2:08:39.400 a feller like me who's accumulated every bonus point you 2:08:39.440 --> 2:08:40.680 could get. And I don't know when they put the 2:08:40.720 --> 2:08:42.760 system into effect, but it's a long time ago, in 2:08:42.800 --> 2:08:50.600 the teens. So you have like fifteen times fifteen points. Dang, sure, 2:08:50.640 --> 2:08:56.800 odds are way better exponential. So but then everybody's like that. 2:08:57.480 --> 2:08:59.840 So everybody's in there. Everyone's name is in the hat 2:09:00.040 --> 2:09:04.760 like some odd hundreds. Yeah, you had name T Eggs 2:09:04.760 --> 2:09:12.160 in there. So I have sixteen points. Now away do 2:09:12.160 --> 2:09:15.800 you have jet You probably have more than everyone's sitting here. 2:09:16.640 --> 2:09:19.480 I don't know. Oh so yeah you got two hundred. 2:09:19.560 --> 2:09:22.160 You got two hundred and fifty six bonus points. My 2:09:22.240 --> 2:09:27.640 kids got two. No, he's got two times two four. Yeah, 2:09:27.760 --> 2:09:30.600 so you still got slightly better draws and than he does. 2:09:30.640 --> 2:09:34.640 So yeah, but still he's gonna be a while, all right, everybody, 2:09:34.720 --> 2:09:38.440 rest easy on my behalf. Oh plus them and go 2:09:38.560 --> 2:09:42.720 tasted real good man, Yes, very good. Hot tip if 2:09:42.760 --> 2:09:46.200 you want to have you being uh people out there, 2:09:46.240 --> 2:09:48.480 if you want to have something good to eat. Danielle, 2:09:48.680 --> 2:09:53.080 what's it called whiskey? Like, Danielle Cruett, Go type into 2:09:53.120 --> 2:09:56.160 the your phone. 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