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Speaker 1: in part by um Kurt. Was it harder than woodpecker lips?

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Speaker 1: Or tougher than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Harder? Harder than Kurt,

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Speaker 1: harder than woodpecker lips? Roscoe? Out of Bozeman, Montain? Did

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Speaker 1: you know that that was your that's a guy wrote

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Speaker 1: in I remember you mentioned in that last time harder

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Speaker 1: than woodpecker lips. I don't think we had the saying

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Speaker 1: right at that point, though. You gotta trademark that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know now that you have. I've witnessed it now.

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Speaker 1: You're very you're monastic, um your sort of monastic food regimen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. I don't view it as simple. I

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Speaker 1: will see now I'd call it hardcore. Oh, it's totally hardcore.

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Speaker 1: It's harder than a woodpecker's lips. Everything, everything about Kurt's

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Speaker 1: ship is so dialed. Yeah, I've just taken notes all week.

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Speaker 1: I felt like my I was just a hot mess

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Speaker 1: compared to Yeah. Just everything is his pack, his food's

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Speaker 1: a funny he's like his clothing system. Everything. Guy just

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Speaker 1: so fucking dial anytime I was drinking hot liquids, I

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Speaker 1: was like, God, I'm weak. Yeah Kurts from Kurts a

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Speaker 1: designer at Stone Glacier and like a founder at Stone Glacier. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: started in two thousand twelve, bought a Sola machine bot

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Speaker 1: asan machine ah years before that and like a little

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Speaker 1: old lady sewing away. Yeah. Uh. Curtis explained as before

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Speaker 1: is that you would modify your backpack so much that

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Speaker 1: Well that's really how it all started. Um, and uh,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you keep tweaking on little things. Started with

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Speaker 1: end of it you end up something completely new. So

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Speaker 1: that that was really where the whole company started. I

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Speaker 1: want to detail his monastic food regimen. And it made

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Speaker 1: sense this trip because Kurt Ford goes see. Here's where

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Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable. Kurt's comment, it's a compliment, but it

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Speaker 1: might make you feel uncomfortable. I was saying, if I

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Speaker 1: could vacate my brain for a while and go live

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Speaker 1: in a different brain, I'd probably like, I'd probably go

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Speaker 1: live in yours for a little while, like, and there's

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Speaker 1: not there's very very few people I would say. This's

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Speaker 1: but just have like be in your brain for a

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Speaker 1: little while and be that um that Here's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say to honors. Here's what I understand. You

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Speaker 1: don't like to when you're out. You drink coffee at home, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you won't drink coffee out hunting because it's too inconvenient. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so you wake up and just energy bars and

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Speaker 1: instead of coffee, you take a coffee a caffeine goo yeah,

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Speaker 1: Remember how we were just hunting in June, we hunted

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Speaker 1: orcs at the White Sands missile Range. We're not there.

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Speaker 1: real quick. In New Mexico, there's like two RICS hunts.

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Speaker 1: real hand holding, Like it's like a nine percent success rate,

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Speaker 1: once in a lifetime hunt. So once you draw on range,

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Speaker 1: to think Rick could appreciate it, but he uh, I

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Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, bring it back over to

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Speaker 1: my camp later. What wouldn't the climate have been ten

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Speaker 1: It's not like it wasn't frozen. But there's a mammoth.

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Speaker 1: That's why they know the date. I think it's like

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Speaker 1: I know people use it for that reason. My brother,

422
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: his colon has a annex that there's a coal that

423
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: his colon has an offshoot colon that needs nicotine to

424
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: it's always loaded. Because he's like, I could taking a

425
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: growler could be the last thing on my mind, like

426
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: zero need to take a growler the minute he has

427
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: a dip. There it is. So the only explanation is

428
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that there's a part of annex to his colon that

429
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: is activated, that's locked and loaded nicotine and the primer,

430
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: the primer that the spark, the flint and steel so

431
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: to speak, is uh dip because then there it is

432
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: over kind you had that happened at my oman camp.

433
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: You were having issues. Yeah, I mean it definitely keeps

434
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: me regular, that's for sure. Is that why you use it? Yeah?

435
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like Yanni when I think, yeah, once

436
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: you travel. Me and my brother one time we're on

437
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: an elk hunt. My brother is the same way, and

438
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: I swear we both didn't go for six days. But

439
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: our stomachs don't bloat. It's just like we eat, and

440
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: so it goes somewhere. It all up into the tobacco annex.

441
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: But that the the dip definitely helps the ends. Just

442
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: for my wife listening, it doesn't cause cancer. The research

443
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: didn't they say vaping was better for you than smoking.

444
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. Nakeotine. They're doing some research

445
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: about its rolling as a cancer causing agent, and if

446
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: not itself, it metabolis metabolizes into some chemicals that are

447
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: cancer causing, so after you ingest it just pure nicotine.

448
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: They always thought that the other substances were the oh too,

449
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: but some of the you know, the gum and some

450
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: other stuff could still Yeah, but when it get like

451
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: if you go to like calor like, it can't be

452
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: like the California kind of cancer. Yeah, because that's heavy.

453
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: That's everything. Everything I buy you can't. He already knows

454
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: in California, get airplane, you're gonna get cancer for getting

455
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: on the airplane. Fishing. Fishing cancer known by the State

456
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: of California to cause cancer. A sinker, Yeah, but I

457
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: think nicotine is probably in a more reasonable category of Hey,

458
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: it's better than opioids though. Yeah. So I don't want

459
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: to be labor the thing. But I was telling you

460
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: what I want to do is get into um oh

461
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the child. When we're down in New Mexico, I had

462
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: a dip off of a tell everybody what that was.

463
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: I liked a lot um it was. Yeah, I can't

464
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: remember that name. Mike Rule had it. I'm gonna remember

465
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: because Daniel Morgan wrote the best Daniel Boone, Robert Morgan,

466
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: the guy by the last name of Morgan, the best

467
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Boone biography. So I'm gonna remember. I like Daniel Boone

468
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: and I like that. I remember because I used to

469
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: buy well, I used to dip or ch Levi Garrett

470
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: when I was like in college and stuff, just like

471
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: side hack? Was that a dude, Levi Garrett? I don't know,

472
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: it makes jeans too write or no, I don't know,

473
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 1: never mind, you know what. I'll tell you something. But

474
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: if like the Morgan ship was cheaper, so if I

475
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: was running low on fund said by Morgan instead of oh,

476
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Morgan's cheaper than Levi Garrett. Yeah, so what this dude does?

477
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: This dude Mike Rule, uh, quit you but still choose.

478
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: How's that work? Because he beat the same thing. He

479
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: beat the addiction so thoroughly that he can now just

480
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: have a recreational dip and then not dip for weeks.

481
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a dude that quit smoking cigarettes,

482
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: but like has a cigar every once in a while.

483
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly That's a great way of looking at it. Yeah,

484
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I'd argue that I'm a recreational dipper though, it's just

485
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: timelines different. I know Ronnie Bam, who mostly Ronnie Bam

486
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: got addicted to cigarettes through cigar smoking. He went to

487
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the other directions. He started smoking stogies. He might tell

488
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: you this story a little bit differently for both my observation.

489
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: He's no, I think he'd agree. He started smoking like

490
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: old man type stogies, you know, like big fatties, then

491
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: started smoking like little dinkers and that was basically smoking stogies.

492
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: It looked like a brown cigarette, and then just went

493
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: to cigarettes. It's like one of those things like you

494
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: know those like evolution charts or like a little monkey.

495
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: He turns into a bro. It would be like a

496
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: dude turned into a little monkey his like path. Yeah,

497
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: so so he's off this because I remember on that.

498
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't know where he's at right now, but he was.

499
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: He was chain smoking, uh Swisher sweets. Dude, he like

500
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: he like monkeys one off the other. Yeah. Yeah, Like

501
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: that's like smoking cardboard roll like tobacco rolling cardboard man.

502
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Speaking of bone, here's the here's an art little thing

503
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. Uh, this is this is

504
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: a this is applicable to me and Seth because me

505
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: and seth there are going on a muzzleloader flint lock.

506
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna help with some flintlocks old old style hunting.

507
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: On a recent podcast US we were talking about, uh,

508
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: like did front did you did? Did users of muzzleloaders

509
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: not people who are like doing it for funzies, but

510
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: like people who are actually shooting muzzloaders. Um, did they

511
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: free poor powder or did they measure powder? And and

512
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: when you're watching old westerns, they're always free porn, right.

513
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: This guy rolled in, he said, there's this thing you

514
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: need to consider about this part of measuring today is

515
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: because we have standardized powder. Back then, he said, it

516
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: was way more art than science. And you're like, powder

517
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: was all it was highly variable And I forgot about

518
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: this detail. As Boon would even make his own powder.

519
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: How's that? Well? The first time he went over the

520
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap, he was going on a year long He

521
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: hunted and built up a small fortune of hides, otter beaver,

522
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: deer hides. The pawnees stole him, stole his stuff, decided

523
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: to stay an extra year, worked up another big load

524
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: they stole that came back empty handed. So he was

525
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: gone two years, ran out of gunpowder and he got

526
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: sulfur from deposit. He got burned willow, so he got

527
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: back guano for phosphate, phosphate batgwando for phosphate, burned willow

528
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: and had ash which was some component of it. Got

529
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: sulfur from uh like a lick, like a deposit, and

530
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: then use his own piss. They would wet the mixture.

531
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: They'd make the mixture and wet it with your own piss.

532
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: Then you'd spread it out and let it dry and

533
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: you'd make this poderway this dude wrote in talking about

534
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: that's insane. Then it was like what all powder was different?

535
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So the fact that you're like old Bessie shoots best

536
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: with a hundred grains of powder would be depends on

537
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: it just wouldn't even be like in their thinking. It

538
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: would be that there's hot powders and shitty powders and

539
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: powders that got wet too many times and you drive

540
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: them back out and it would just be just very

541
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: touch and go all the time. Um, So you'd figure

542
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: out your powder amount for that batch that you had

543
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: just a very fluid. And I think you got to

544
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: think about like now when dudes, um, Now, when people

545
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: hunt with most loaders, do you use any kind of

546
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: like archaic ar chick technology. This is the thing I

547
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: ponder all the time. It's like you're abbling in a

548
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: thing that was just what people did and new. So

549
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: if you're let's say you're boone, your father had one

550
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: of these, you had one of these, shot one of these.

551
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: From the start, it was regarded as a technological advancement.

552
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: It was a cutting edge piece of equipment. It wasn't

553
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: you weren't like fussing. You weren't like messing with something.

554
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: You weren't like experimenting with something. It would be the

555
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: same as like their relationship to that technology would be

556
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: like your relationship to your phone, just very ingrained, daily ingigrained,

557
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: highly intuitive. It's like it wouldn't you know, it's not

558
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: like now like, oh, we have this date set where

559
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna go shoot flintlocks, you know, and blow our

560
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: faces off. It would be just like you lived it

561
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: all the time. So I just probably didn't feel like

562
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: how we think it felt. But I'm sure there's improvements

563
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: within within each of those technologies that they're really excited

564
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: about totally, like little small things like like smooth board

565
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to rifle barrels, yeah, or big advancement. What are what

566
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: are you guys shooting? Is it rifled? What's the range

567
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: for you guys? This hunt? I guess depends on the person,

568
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm looking fifty yards and in tick liquor?

569
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: What's yours? Steve? Like close like the bull. I wounded

570
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: the bull and lost it last year with the not

571
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: even Yeah you didn't even have an explosion go off

572
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: in your face. Dude. That thing hit the ground too,

573
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: that bowl. Yeah, so they lose their the they're just

574
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: not they're not hauling ass. Yeah, they're not hauling ass.

575
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: I think you know, when I hit that bowl, I

576
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: think got you know, hit it high up on the shoulder,

577
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: like knocked down. But he just got up and left,

578
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: like left like country. Barely any blood either, It's like

579
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: very little blood. It was like punching him, but no,

580
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: like getting shot with a bulletproof. Vest On learned. I

581
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: learned my lesson on that ship. Man. Now I'm like

582
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Johnny tight when it comes to I mean, granted that

583
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: thing was you know whatever, six hundred pounds and and

584
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: that was like a bullet type like guess what do

585
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: they call those sabbots? We're true to I think it's

586
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: true to Bore, wasn't it. We're gonna be running patch

587
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: and ball. Yeah. Man, I've greasing my ship with bear

588
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: grease too. D So you take like when you're shooting

589
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: a flint lock, you got well, you don't believe me, No, No,

590
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: it's just funny. No, I totally believe you down in

591
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: my mind. You get a little PATCHA it's a circle

592
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: of cloth. What are you? What are you smirking about?

593
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: I just this is all I've just I've never heard

594
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: of this, you know, the you know, the old like

595
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: talking him to it that's killed all kinds of very

596
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: high right. We should make our own patches out of it,

597
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: called a bed ticking. It was like a prison. It's

598
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: like a prison. Suits like blue and white striped ship

599
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: and you cut. I cut square patches, not round. Nope,

600
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: there are square patches. I learned all this from um,

601
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: good family friend, the FETs your family. That sounds like

602
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: a old muzzleloader family. That's yeah, that's who got got

603
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: me into it. Yeah, because it feels like the van

604
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: fausen Burghs, I'd like, um. But yeah, we would cut

605
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: our own patches and grease them up. And then they

606
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: would you use for Greece. I think we use I

607
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what it was. Oh, you know what

608
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: we could use bear grease would be spython oil. There

609
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: we go. Oh, I bet no one's doing that ship. No, man,

610
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: we'll bring python because I got a court burning home

611
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: in pocket. Python oil. Oh, we had the snake biologist

612
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: on works in the pythons down in Florida. He gave

613
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: me a court or rendered snake oil. Whoa, what do

614
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: you use it for? The grosses me out? And not

615
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: use it for anything. He gave it to me as

616
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: he gave it to me as a oddity. Oh not

617
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: as like here, cook your eggs with this. No, it's

618
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: like a thing that you have and then you when

619
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: people come to your house, you're like, see that he

620
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: didn't he sent to me without tightening the lid down

621
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: very tight? Oh yeah, Um, anyway, that's like utterly disgusting.

622
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: Does the smell gross? No, but just the thought of it. Yeah,

623
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: snake oil, snake oil. Oh yeah, medicine you're talking about drinking.

624
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Would you drink that? Curt Absolutely not unless if it

625
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: increased your efficiency? Probably, I don't know. I don't know, man, Um,

626
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: but anyway they would they would pour their own they'd

627
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: cast their own balls caliber Fatskers, Fetzers, fetzers. Really, man,

628
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: we used to have cast No, I never cast my

629
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: own balls. We used to go down to the gun range.

630
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: We gotta get to talk about what we're supposed to

631
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: be talking about. But real quick, I want to hear

632
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: what I want you to explain. It's more seth. But

633
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: we used to go down to the gun range and

634
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: sift through the bank the berm get the lead and

635
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: we would cast our own sinkers, you know. Cool. And

636
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: Ronnie Bam makes his own bird shot, yeah, which is

637
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: cool as ship. You ever see that done, Kurt, No,

638
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: I haven't. It's through a drop. It's just formed through

639
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: the air. That would be cool. Like they used. There's

640
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: a thing called a shot tower. I've heard of that,

641
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how How how tall does it

642
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: have to be? Tower is tall? You're just like dripping

643
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: little driblets of lead and they fall down this shaft

644
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: and cool it formed into a sphere in the air

645
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: like a rain drop, and by the time they hit

646
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: the ground owned they're cooled. Ronnie's a little deal. Was

647
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: he doing an indo oil and water. I thought was

648
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: it water oil? I wasn't there. I just remember seeing

649
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: it on the show. I think he drops him into

650
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember. But he's got this little thing. It's

651
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: got a little aperture on it. You melt lead, get cancer, dump,

652
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: dump the lead into this bucket, and the buckets got

653
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: a little tincy tincy apt a whole bunch like a

654
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: series of I can't remember twenty or a dozen little

655
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: apertures like pinholes. And the pinhole determines the shot size. Right,

656
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: So you dump the molten lead in, have a cigar,

657
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: drink a whole bunch of beer. It's like the Ronnie

658
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Bam recipe. Sit in a closed area or whatever. Uh

659
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: and Out dribbles all of his But I mean this

660
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: dudes like a like a he's a tinker, Like he's

661
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: like he could make anything. He's like remember in the

662
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: end of the A Team, they'd always find like a

663
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: sweet shop. Yeah, like he Ronnie smoke. Those dudes on

664
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: from the A Team like to rig up ship in

665
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: a shop. Uh and Out would dribble all these little

666
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: dribbles and they'd fall through the air and land and

667
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: where would hell? He cooled it with oh some I'm

668
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: liquid water, water would cause bubbling in it. He dripped

669
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: into some kind of oil. But I don't remember dealing

670
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: with a bunch of oily ash shot. I was any

671
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: good at fact check, and he had this ship figure out,

672
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: so failing. Uh go back to the fencer's Yeah, no,

673
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they'd cast their own their own

674
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: balls and cut their own patches and grease the patch.

675
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: You don't know what they what it was, I don't remember.

676
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: I think it was just some sort of oil. You

677
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: just you stack a bunch of them up and it

678
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: soaked through. Yeah, so you take your empty bear, you

679
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: got your empty gun, pour a shot of powder downs,

680
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: put a patch, put a ball, then you gotta seat

681
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: that ball. Then ram at home. Yep. So it's powder

682
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: patch ball ram at home. And then if you're in

683
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: the Western and a dude charges you and you don't

684
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: have time to take the ramrod out, shoot him right

685
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: with that freaking ramrod man always thinking the lasting Mohicans.

686
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: When you talk about flint lock, did you do that

687
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: in there? Yeah? Shoot someone with the ramrod. No shoots

688
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: elk or something. It's like an opening scene, dude. Yeah,

689
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: He's like chasing it or something. It's like very maneuver

690
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: in it. And when I did that, when I did

691
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: that g Q thing where it like called the breakdown, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

692
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: that would be covered that um yeah, sends that elk

693
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: a tea kettle, put that flint lock like it does

694
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: like a triple somersault off a cliff. So uh yeah.

695
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: And then the there's a frizzen up. It's a frien Well,

696
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: it's like this little it's hard. It's like a hard

697
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: steel that the flint strikes to cause the spark. And

698
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: there's a little buckskin. You got a little square flint

699
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: like maybe three quarters of an inch square half inch square. Yeah,

700
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a little gripper, a spring loaded gripper,

701
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: and you line that spring loaded gripper with little chunk

702
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: of buckskin for grip stick the flint in that little

703
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: gripper cock the hammer. The hammer goes forward, hits the frizzen.

704
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: What explosion No, yeah, the explosion number one because under

705
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: that frizen is a little teency quarter teaspoon about of

706
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: fine powder. Yeah, Like the frizen is covering up a

707
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: pan full of fine powder. So when the hammer comes

708
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: down hits the frizzen and knocks the frizzen out of

709
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: the way, but still causes a spark, and then the

710
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: spark falls right into the flash pad. It's like a

711
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: rude it's like the rude Goldberg is contraption Goldberg contraption. So, yeah,

712
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: that's right. The frizzen fly is on a hinge, flies forward,

713
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: moves forward. This little quarter teaspoon of fine powder ignites,

714
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: and there's a thing called a touch hole, which when

715
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: your gun doesn't work, it's probably cause your touch holes

716
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: plugged up with the fine powder. Yeah, that little bucket,

717
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: that little quarter teaspoon, the wall of that bowl has

718
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: a pinhole through it that leads into the breach of

719
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: the flint lock. One of those sparks from that little

720
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: thing going off hops through the hole. He's surprise, and

721
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: then like he lights off everybody in there. So it

722
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: goes like clack boom boom, and you gotta hold steady.

723
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: The whole damn time is what you guys are doing,

724
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: like tree stands. It's like we're gonna do some little

725
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: to both that sounds setting and then some do some mooching,

726
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: some driving. Uh, you don't know this but I'll tell

727
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: you something. I didn't hunt it, but I killed a

728
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: bull buffalo um with a flint lock. No ship. We're

729
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: on a reservation and they had like they do like

730
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: these controlled harvests on this reservation, and like reservation members

731
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: can go out like however they want to do it,

732
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: they'll go out and you can get one and just

733
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: kind of I don't really, it's a little bit like

734
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a weird sort of like you

735
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: like an experimentation with a live thing. I don't want

736
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: you want to sort that out right now. Many ways

737
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: we went out. I shot in the heart, shot in

738
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: heart in ninety yards. Dang, that's pretty good. Yeah, it

739
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 1: was like it was remember when about It took about

740
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: eight minutes, went laid down and died. No ship. Yeah,

741
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: I remember. One of the pretty most truth about Honey,

742
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: one of the elk Anny ones Will shoots a It

743
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: was in Colorado or somewhere. I think it was with

744
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: a flintlock too, but he shoots an elk with a

745
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: muzzle loader. It was either a flintlock of percussion, but

746
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: old like an old school I thought it was cool

747
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: as shit. Chester. You're gonna say something about the greasing. Well,

748
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't very important. It was just about lead and water.

749
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: I used to build boat anchors, and any time lead

750
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: hit water, it was just it like explode on itself.

751
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: That's not well, oh that's right because remember yeah, I

752
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: was not explode, but it it loses its form. Yeah,

753
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: like pops and loses its form. It it forms into

754
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: weird shapes, just like Latin Yanni's laugh. Yeah. Remember when

755
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: we all had to throw the lead in the bucket

756
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: to predict our future? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

757
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: You know about this, Chris, No, what's that? On New

758
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Year's Latvians melt up some lead and throw a job

759
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: of it into a bucket of water, and it tells you.

760
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: And then you take that gob and it forms crazy shapes.

761
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Then you get a light and shine it at a

762
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: wall and hold that gob will led that misshape and

763
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: gob will led to the light and it casts a

764
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: shadow and you twist it and see what you see

765
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: in there, and that tells you what will happen to you,

766
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: or it could inform your year. I generally tended to

767
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: see old arthritic imagery. Oh so it's kind of like

768
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: a roor shack thing. Like what you see is what

769
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: is gonna Yeah, I'm gonna try that with I gonna

770
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: lab be a neighbor across the street from us. I'm

771
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna try it this year with her. Yeah, she should

772
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: test her knowledge about it. Oh, she knows. She hangs

773
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: out at some like l a Latvian camp. She like

774
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: it's like the Latin get together. Her name is Anga. Um.

775
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: She has some questionable opinions, didn't she. Yeah. I think

776
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: I had to walk away from a couple of convos

777
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: yet because commos I was like, you have a nice

778
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: day there, and he side and locked the door. Not

779
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: talked to you for a week. All right now, Um, Kurt,

780
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Uh, I couldn't sleep last night.

781
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: I slept by, woke up many times understandable. Just uh.

782
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: I've ever been so um not have been just just distraught. Uh.

783
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: And largely I was telling these guys last night too,

784
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm having three feelings, um, anger and disgusted at myself. Well,

785
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I missed the mountain go to three I'll tell people

786
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I just cut the chase. I missed a mountain goat

787
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: three yards. Nice, Big Billy Kurt feels that it was

788
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: an ex Yeah, I missed the mountain go to three

789
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards, just missed right, like nicktim not shot some

790
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: hair off, shot some hair off. It's main, Um, I know,

791
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: we'll talk about why I think that happened, not that

792
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: like uh, I'll talk about why I think that happened,

793
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: but but not that like I have excuse, like there's

794
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: an explanation of the mistakes I made. Right. But the

795
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: three feelings I've been having. One is anger and discussed

796
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: self loathing. Two is why am I not more disappointed

797
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: than I am, um, because I feel like I should

798
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: be even more, have more self loathing and anger and discussed.

799
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: And three is just like, um, really feeling that I

800
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: let you down, Kurt, oh no, because I started trying

801
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: to draw him mount I first applied for a mountain

802
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: goat tag in nine and finally in twenty drew Mountain

803
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: go tag. I mean I've drawn him in Alaska, but

804
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: drew Mountain Goat tag and h we really poured the

805
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: coals to it for five days under Kurt's leadership. Uh,

806
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: snow cold Elevation train just struggles with visibility, but like

807
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like finding goes but just like it wasn't

808
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like a walk in the park, you know,

809
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: it was kind of like fog and whatever, just the

810
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: annoyance of cold, and then they're like just a chip shot. Yeah,

811
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: and I would have felt like, um, yeah, the primary

812
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: feeling I had was that, the primary like, if you

813
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: weren't there, I would have felt not as bad as

814
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: I felt, just really horrible waking up and just it's

815
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: like burned in my mind. I don't know, man, those

816
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: those things are all there. I feel like they're they're

817
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: they're part of the hunting experience. Yeah. Yeah, you have

818
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: to have the highs, you have to have the lows

819
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: to kind of have the full experience. Just like if

820
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: we would have walked in there and I found to

821
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: gout on the first day, walk up on it hunts over.

822
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: That was twenty two years. You put in for a

823
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: tag for one day. That's not much of an experience.

824
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: Like you know, now you have the whole process and

825
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: it's not over. No, it's definitely not over. Good way

826
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: to look at it. I like that. Yeah it is, man,

827
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: but um, it don't mean a lot more. Yeah. Well,

828
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: here's the thing I think about though, Uh, I'm forty six.

829
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll point out your forty eight. Thank you for that.

830
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like the other day, I was like, I

831
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: was trying to like as we're walking out, you know,

832
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: like the walk of shame, right walking down the mountain

833
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: after missing him. Uh, I'm like, man, really valuable lesson.

834
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: Like I'll point out a handful of things. Uh again

835
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: not excuses, but like a guess at where I screwed up? Um,

836
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: they got their winter coats, yea, and I failed. And

837
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: Kurt later pointed out, when you're looking at the outline

838
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: of that goat, there's a six inch buffer. It's not

839
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: a goat. No, especially this time of year, because it's

840
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: kind of that even though they're starting as you could see,

841
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: they're starting to come into their winter coat, especially on

842
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: those billies, the hair isn't so long that it's falling

843
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: over because when it when it starts to get really long,

844
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: it kind of splits down the middle like a hairline

845
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: like on the moscot, and it starts to drape. But

846
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: right now down the middle, yeah yeah, no, Like right

847
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: now it's it's like a buzz cut and everything's sticking

848
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: straight up. So it could have been more than that.

849
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of goat. It's not a goat, there's

850
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: a yeah, a bunch yeah. And I was when I

851
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: killed one the only mountain goold I got before. It

852
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: was a nanny I shot in Alaska, and uh, when

853
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: I hit it, it had enough umph left to take

854
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: a couple of steps and go off. The abyss said, right, yeah,

855
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean I can show you like where this happened.

856
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: I remember creepy like, how could it? I was like,

857
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: I could show you exactly how it felt. That fired

858
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: me like a like a face like you wouldn't believe,

859
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: and then got so much a nurse, you're going that

860
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: When it did hit the slope below it, it just

861
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: continued to go down the wet snow. Um. Anyways, it

862
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: was demolished. It Uh, its brain was gone, It's skull

863
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: split open, the horns were gone, the brain was gone.

864
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: One of its lungs was tucked up into its front

865
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: right ankle gee. The hide came loose but didn't come off,

866
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: and somehow when the chest cavity erupted in the fall,

867
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: it like sent a bunch of that stuff through and

868
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: so it was like up against its knee. Oh huge, anyways,

869
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: something to try to avoid. So then it's like, don't

870
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: you don't want them if you hit him, you don't

871
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: want them taking a step. It's not like like generally

872
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: big game hunting, I just play it safe and give

873
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: myself a huge margin for air. And I typically, like

874
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: my typical hold is halfway up and down, two or

875
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: three ribs back from the shoulder. It's like that's you know,

876
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: and granted's gonna whatever. It might take a step or

877
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: two whatever, but it's just generally like done me very

878
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: well as a as a just a you know, general

879
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: little aim spot um. Maybe a little lower than halfway,

880
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: but either way, I was like, I gotta I was gonna.

881
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit it in the high shoulder, hoping

882
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: that it would not go off the cliff behind it

883
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: or wherever walk off from fall off a cliff, and

884
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: then zero my rifle at a much lower elevation. And

885
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: the higher elevation is uh, you know, there's less friction,

886
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: so you gotta cop. So that's gonna make you a

887
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: little bit higher. I was shooting for a high shoulder,

888
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: not accounting for all that hair um and dialed and

889
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: was dialed for perhaps a little bit like a tad

890
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: longer than it was maybe maybe, and just sent through

891
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: two of them, like through its right over the top

892
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: because the that steeper angle to your at appreciate deep

893
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: angle sharp angle, Yeah, which becomes harder to get to

894
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: get an exact range because it really depends on exactly

895
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: where you're picking. Well to a factor that we were

896
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: talking about last nights. I mean we're posted up for

897
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: a while waiting, which in my mind for me not

898
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: being near as successful or tenured as you is shooting,

899
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: would mess with me, you know, with scope on the

900
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: animal for thirty minutes or whatever. That that wasn't it. No,

901
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: I was aware of we should back up. Well, I

902
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: might back up and tell the story a little bit so,

903
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, to get to that part. It was better

904
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: than we were having to wait for the get up.

905
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: And I was nervous about um getting chili. Yeah, sitting

906
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: in the snow and then in the little gap of

907
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: visibility was so narrow that you couldn't like go and

908
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: start the proble sense of trying to put a warmer

909
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: clothes on, because then you might get I killed a

910
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: nice buck one time, my pants down, not like what

911
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: you think, putting trying to get my long John's on,

912
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: trying to get more before the Zippies. Before the Zippies,

913
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: I hiked up to a spot, got where I wanted

914
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: to be for the evening sit. Got to the evening sit,

915
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: thought I'm gonna get bundle luck so I'm gonna start

916
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: freezing my ask because it's all sweaty, and got my

917
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: pants off, started putting my l j's on lj is

918
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: around the ankles and then it kind of had my

919
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: lj's up, was getting getting back into my pants, and

920
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, looking, here's the buck I was

921
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: trying to find. I got him too. I had to

922
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: pull my pants up to run over there, um, but

923
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that because I was afraid the

924
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: goat would stand up and move while I was like

925
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: one arm in a coat. So I was nervous that

926
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I would started getting shivery, but I never got I

927
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: wish I could say that I got shivery, but I

928
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: never got shivery. Oh my god, I feel like such

929
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: a loser. Oh point I was trying when I was

930
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: pointing out our ages. Let me get back to that now,

931
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: when we walk The whole story pointing out our ages is.

932
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: When we were walking out, I was like, what a

933
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: learning lesson? What a learning lesson. But then I'm like,

934
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel like learning should be about wrapping it up.

935
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: My kid he did his first two big game hunts,

936
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: so he's tanned. You got a mule deer in a

937
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: cariboo this year, he's in. He's learning, right, I did

938
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: a lot of learning in my twenties. I feel like

939
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: the learning is about done. No, man never ends because

940
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: at a point your performance goes. It's like, I should

941
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: be at the the apex are apex guy? Still have

942
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: my physical abilities, I stive my cognitive abilities, and I

943
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: have uh like a tremendous amount of honey experience that

944
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: I've been um able to get through my career. Right,

945
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: So I'm probably I should be this should be like

946
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: at late forties, should be like what like you'd think

947
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: that right now would be this moment of just perfection

948
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: and you don't make mistakes. It was damned close, right,

949
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean it was that goat was in a real

950
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: tough spot to get on and it took us a

951
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: lot of patients to work through that country. It that

952
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: that wasn't a slam dunk, that wasn't let's climb up

953
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: over this ridge and as soon as you look over

954
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: the top how long did it take us to get

955
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: in a spot where you get a shot five hours?

956
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: It was five hours in and out of view for

957
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: a majority of it. So there's a lot that can

958
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: go wrong in that. So yeah, I mean to your point, yeah,

959
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: we should. You feel like you should have every base covered.

960
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: But then in hindsight, I looked back and given the

961
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: information we had at the time, I wouldn't have changed

962
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: anything that we did. Absolutely not. When I was sitting

963
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: there when we finally found him yards way and his

964
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: head away from the stand up, I was sitting there

965
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: being like, uh, astounded by the good fortune m hm.

966
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: Because there was a lot of ways when we were

967
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: trying to put that little puzzle together, there was a

968
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I also wanted to point I was

969
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: called in the middle of the night when I was

970
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: sitting there, awake my Once we got up there and

971
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: looked when I was flirting with storming his ridge top

972
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: would not have been a good plan once I saw

973
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: what it was actually like up there, umen Like you know,

974
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: you ever know, when you go storm a ridge, it

975
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: could go like you never know, But it wouldn't have

976
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: been a great ridge storm. It would have been like

977
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: you could have killed him with a knife. It would

978
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: have been like either didn't get him or got him

979
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: with a knife by the time you like when you

980
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: when you arrived in his zone, you'd have been like

981
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: on him in presume, but he would not be there anymore.

982
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: But let's say he was sort of deprived of smell,

983
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: and let's say there's no sense of vision and no

984
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: sense of smell, or sorry, no sense of hearing and

985
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: no sense of smell. It would have been a knife

986
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: fight and you would have gone off the other edge. So, yeah,

987
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out to you, Kurt, that you're

988
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: feeling that storm and the ridge was not smart Um

989
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: it was not. Yeah, you were that that perspective of

990
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: yours was validated by the actual layout, which was not

991
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: quite how I envisioned it. Yeah, it was a lot

992
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: smaller there. Everything just looks a little bit larger. For example,

993
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: we thought that he was sixty or eighty yards from

994
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: that pinnacle, and you get up there and find out

995
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: that man that's only ten or fifteen yards or twenty yards.

996
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's weird how perspective from that lower elevation,

997
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: as you're working up into that country, how it changed

998
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: changed so much man um dirt head pointed out on

999
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: this billy goat weird stock and uh dirt to point

1000
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: out he was bedded on a knife ridge. So it's

1001
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: like kind of like the primary range, not even the range, boy,

1002
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: it it's like sort of the primary ridge line. Andre's

1003
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: he's like a very steep night finger ridge that comes

1004
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: off it. And he's better there. He can look everything

1005
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: to the right, everything to the left, and then straight

1006
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: ahead is just sky. But it doesn't matter because nothing

1007
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: come up that thing. And uh, he's betted on a ridge.

1008
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: It's no wider than him. Yeah, he was like his

1009
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: body consumed the entire width of the ridge top. It

1010
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: was like laying on a knife Yeah. I was impressive.

1011
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: And if you roll the foot, you know, the opposite

1012
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: way that he was looking, he would have fell several ft.

1013
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to sleep up there. No, no,

1014
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: you roll off those things like heights. Yeah. We slept

1015
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: down a goofy little ridge like that one time sheep hunting,

1016
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: and my brother Matt said, if I'm not here in

1017
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: the morning, throw my boots off. Can I ask her

1018
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: the question just to your point about you think you

1019
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: should get to a point where you're not learning. I mean,

1020
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: you've accumulated so much knowledge there shouldn't be learning process

1021
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: and experience. Did you learn something new this week? Oh yeah,

1022
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 1: yeah absolutely. Um. I think the communication portion. I thought

1023
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: about that where we were in the spot where you

1024
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: were set up, and I was trying to one of

1025
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: the things that we hadn't talked about his shot placement,

1026
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: especially to your point about hitting them in the shoulder,

1027
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: and when we are trying to kind of communicate back

1028
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: and forth that both of us were on the same

1029
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: page to try to hit in that shoulder. Afterwards, I

1030
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: thought I should have communicated more on the hair that

1031
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: you've just done that had done that, I'd be picking

1032
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: blood off from my so so really it's my fault.

1033
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: I hope you woke up two in the morning. Yeah.

1034
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: When I woke up last night, I was like I

1035
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: was up for a very long time. I remember looking

1036
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: at my phone be like, how is the only two man?

1037
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm already like up, just up obsessing. It just turned

1038
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: into anger for Kurt. I wanted to know the answer

1039
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: on my phone now is if it rings it to

1040
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: this morning? Yeah, in the end of apocalypse now, Uh,

1041
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: Kurts doesn't he talk about a vision of a snail

1042
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: inching along a razor's edge. Fact check, that might have

1043
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: been re dux. It might have been the extended cut. No,

1044
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: he like talks about floating the Ohio River. Is when

1045
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: he's he's like out of his mind. When Willard and

1046
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: Kurt's finally meet, Kurt's talks about floating down the Ohio River.

1047
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: And because Willard catain Willard's from Ohio, Kurt's talks about

1048
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: that he flow to the Ohio River as father, and

1049
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: he remembers all the smell of the Guardinia's talks about

1050
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: a snail on a razor blade, talks about a concept

1051
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: hitting him like a diamond bullet. That's good ship man. Anyways,

1052
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: that goat was laying out there like a snail on

1053
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: a razor blade. Uh. To back up, describe the area

1054
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: we went into, Kurt Um. It's it's in a very

1055
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: long drainage. I'm going to say the entire drainage is

1056
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: probably close to twenty miles long. Uh. There's a road

1057
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: that runs up somewhere in the ten twelve mile range,

1058
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: So there is a major portion of the upper end

1059
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: of that drainage that doesn't see a lot of foot traffic.

1060
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cliff bands, old growth timber where

1061
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say old growth, more like dark timber patches

1062
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: that run down through. And then there was a burn

1063
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: that had rolled through a portion of it as well,

1064
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's really good goat country. Um, a lot

1065
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: of escape cover, um. And and then because of the burn,

1066
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of feed because a lot more of

1067
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: its open right now than let's say it was twenty

1068
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 1: years ago. And it ties into the back side of

1069
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: of a lot of roadless area as well. So you

1070
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: see these goats being able to use multi pulled drainages

1071
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: and move between them where you have a fairly large

1072
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: circumference of area that doesn't see a lot of traffic,

1073
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: especially once they're snow on the ground. And um, most

1074
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: of it's in the nine to ten thousand foot range

1075
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: where the goats are living, and um they're typically later

1076
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: in the year like we're at right now. There isn't

1077
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: a lot of elk population or deer population, which also

1078
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: doesn't you don't see a lot of hunters either, primarily

1079
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: because of that, and access becomes very difficult when the

1080
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: snow gets deep. So it's it's real ideal goat country, um,

1081
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: but can get a little bit tricky late in the season.

1082
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: The lack of other games really noteworthy. Man, it is

1083
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: it is, And I've been hunting that area for twenty

1084
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: five years, and as we had spoken about before, I've

1085
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 1: seen a very noticeable differ prints in primarily elk populations.

1086
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: It used to be phenomenal elk counting, and I think

1087
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: that there's lots of different discussions about why, uh, some

1088
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: people would like to point the finger at wolves. There

1089
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: seemed to be a transition somewhere along that line. I

1090
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: can't for sure say that that's exactly what it is,

1091
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: but as we were driving into the area, I think

1092
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: something that was very telling was down in the valley

1093
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: floor in the farmland there had to be two hundred

1094
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: head of elk out there in out in farm ground

1095
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: that you would years ago you would never seen that.

1096
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: And so whether migrations are changing or actual what they're

1097
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: preferring for habitat, it's kind of anybody's gas. But back

1098
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: to your original point, it's it's really neat area in

1099
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: in the fact that it doesn't draw a lot of

1100
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: people in after say September, and so it's it's a

1101
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: pretty cool experience being able to go on these types

1102
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: of hunts where you're not seeing other boot tracks, um,

1103
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: and you're just not seeing a lot of pressure. Yeah,

1104
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,919
Speaker 1: it just takes twenty some years to twenty two years.

1105
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: And then we saw a number of big horns and

1106
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: it was like like one tag. How many tags are

1107
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: in there? Yeah? I think one tag and that unit

1108
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: and that'll take a lifetime to draw, oh for sure. Yeah, yeah,

1109
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: if you're lucky. Um, we went in there and it's

1110
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: like there's a thing that happens this time of year.

1111
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: I guess it could happen anytime of year. Uh. To

1112
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: film hunts, you know, there's a lot of there's a

1113
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of logistics and crew and people got a plan

1114
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: for it, right, And you need film permits, and when

1115
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: you get a film permit, you need to like apply

1116
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: for certain dates. Right. It's you wind up where you

1117
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: have you like settle on a date window and there's

1118
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: a lot of that date establishes a lot of inertia, right,

1119
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: It's like like that's the date, you know, because so

1120
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: and so we got you know, camera guys booked, and

1121
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: we got our permits for that date. And then as

1122
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: the date gets closer than you kind of go like,

1123
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I forgot about the whole weather part of this.

1124
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: And as the trip's coming up, it just gets like

1125
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: just the picture just gets bleaker and bleaker. Um of

1126
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: early kind of not I don't want to say freak.

1127
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: It's definitely not freak, but a significant early snow storms,

1128
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,480
Speaker 1: a series of early snowstorms. Yeah, to winter storm warnings

1129
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: while we were out, like actual like Weather Service winter

1130
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: storm like advisories for the area. Yeah, like today we

1131
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: shouldn't be sitting here right now, we should be up there.

1132
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: But it's supposed to get fifteen inches of snow there

1133
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: today and we already got like what foot overnight it

1134
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: would have been. Yeah, and then the and as this

1135
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: as the as our goat hunts coming up and I'm

1136
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: looking at the weather, there's sort of like comfort and

1137
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: it was a comfort factor, which I don't want to

1138
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: sit and act like isn't a thing. It's like, of

1139
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: course it's the thing. You know, you can talk through

1140
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: it and you have the right gear and make it.

1141
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: But it's still like an issue. Comforts and issue, um

1142
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,799
Speaker 1: not nearly the significant of an issue is difficulty and travel.

1143
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: So you're already in very precarious just steep ship. Right,

1144
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: you're a lot of steep ship. And there's a lot

1145
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: of routes that you can't take. There's a lot of

1146
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: places you'd like to get to that you can't just

1147
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: go in the way that would you know, just like

1148
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: go to it. It's a lot of like this and that,

1149
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: and you know down when you should be going up

1150
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: and around, you should be going straight in order to

1151
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: arrive at these like points you want to get to

1152
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: because the cliff aces and and other things, and you

1153
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: add snow on there and it just adds this like

1154
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: a little it's like a level of stress. And like

1155
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: even that level of stress is like a real thing. Um,

1156
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: you can tough through it and have the right gear,

1157
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: but it's like just a thing that's there, and it's

1158
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: it just changes the experience. But the primary thing is

1159
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: a visibility. Um. When I talked about getting that killing

1160
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: that nanny that I killed some years ago, Ah, we

1161
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: went into an area and sat in the fog, just

1162
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: got to our hunt area, sat in the fog for

1163
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: three days. Then all of a sudden, poof it was gone,

1164
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: and we realized that rimming the canyon walls above us

1165
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: was mountain ghosts that had been listening to our conversations.

1166
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean this week, yesterday was the only day that

1167
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: we had visibility all day. It was every other day.

1168
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: It was a window of of clear Yeah. Um, we

1169
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: we went in and hiked in and just right away

1170
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: we went in doing good visibility and right away just

1171
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: like seeing goats and when you draw a goat tag, uh,

1172
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: you're allowed to hunt a nanny or ability. You're allowed

1173
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: just like a goat, write a mountain goat. They would

1174
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: prefer strongly, I shouldn't say they people that want there

1175
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: to be a lot of mountain goat hunting opportunities. UM

1176
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: and state game agencies which really prefer that you shot

1177
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: a billy. And they'll actually make like I make instructional videos.

1178
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: I voiced, I didn't like come up with the material,

1179
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: but I've voiced a video one time, like read the

1180
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: script for a Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance video about how

1181
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: to um how to tell nanny from ability. They wanted

1182
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: to kill the males, and I read some statistic ones

1183
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: that if goat hunters off mountain goat hunters only killed males,

1184
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: only killed billies. I don't know this is a statistic

1185
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: I heard. I don't know if it's how valid. Is

1186
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: if they only killed billies, there will be four times

1187
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: as many mountain goat tags. I don't know if that's

1188
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that holds up. I read that

1189
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: somewhere they don't want you shooting the females. Um. I

1190
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: voiced that video, which I'll point out like I voiced it,

1191
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: but I'm not uh good at it. I'm not like

1192
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: great at identifying. Um. I sit there a lats scratch

1193
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: my head looking at a lot of goats. Uh. For me,

1194
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: it's like when you see a kid, like a nanny

1195
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: with an offspring, I'm like, that's a female. Other than that,

1196
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn that. My mind tries to turn everything

1197
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: into a billy. Well, I didn't. I didn't realize, which

1198
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm sad to say. The nanny's had significant horns. I don't.

1199
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if many people know that they gotta

1200
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: they got a horn. I mean they look and it

1201
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: was tougher than I ever imagined to just distinguish other

1202
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: than they're being, like you said a group of them

1203
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: that it would be like, oh, those are nanny's Kurt

1204
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: pointed this out, and it's actually remember just being in

1205
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: the past is like another time I drew a goat

1206
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: tag on the Key nine, didn't get a one because

1207
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: we passed up many opportun females. I remember, like every

1208
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: female you look at your like trying your hardest to

1209
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: turn it into a mail. But then you see a

1210
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: billy and it's like, there's a billy. Yeah, And I

1211
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: remember we had that same thing out of kena fence.

1212
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: You saw a billy. We're like, oh, all the time

1213
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: we've been spending trying to like talk these nannies into

1214
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: being billies, Like that's the sun bitch and billy, you know,

1215
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: and you just know what knows that was true on

1216
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: this one. But seeing all kinds of nannies, man. And

1217
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: then the second day of the hunt, we woke up

1218
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: and you couldn't see ship anything until like what time

1219
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: of day one too, It was one o'clock fourth things,

1220
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: and then you're just seeing parts and pieces. Well, it

1221
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: was funny. The funniest thing about that day that really

1222
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: stuck sticks with me is that we went to a

1223
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: little glass and look out and we just went there

1224
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: and we couldn't see anybody. Just went there anyways to

1225
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: sit and see if we get some Claire windows. And

1226
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: Kurt knew about another little looking spot he wanted to

1227
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: go check out. That was a twenty minute walk if

1228
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: at more, just like wrap along, wrap across the ridge

1229
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: top and an upward direction, and you get a look

1230
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: into this other bowl that actually drains down into a

1231
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: different drainage. And uh, at one point where let's go

1232
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: check it out, let's go verify that it's too foggy.

1233
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: So we very if we walk up the like, oh wow,

1234
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: it's foggy over here too, just like we expected, and

1235
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: walked back and we get and here's the set of

1236
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: tracks solo, a single set of mountain boat tracks that

1237
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: not only walked through our We're like literally walked through

1238
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: where we were sitting, we later learned, walked between two

1239
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: of our tents and actually followed our bootprints in our

1240
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: absence in the in the forty minutes that we were gone,

1241
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: came through our tents, followed our boot tracks through our

1242
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: glass and spot, and then walked and wrapped around the hill.

1243
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah literally, like if it was two inches to the right,

1244
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: it would have tripped on my my guides from on

1245
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: my tent, walked like walked next to the tent within

1246
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: well within three ft of our fire ring. Yeah, oh yeah,

1247
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, there must have been so much

1248
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: scent in that zone of us that it just was

1249
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: and it just walked right through it. That's that's Murphy's law.

1250
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: I know it's overdone, but that is Murphy's love. I

1251
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: don't think that's Murphy's Murphy, what's your impression of Murphy's

1252
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: lawder if it could go wrong? But that's not wrong.

1253
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: You know. Actually I'm gonna adjust that if a goat,

1254
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: in my mind, Murphy's if a goat were to walk

1255
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: through camp and a glass and knob, it would happen

1256
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: while we're looking. Oh yeah's you're right. You're right. It

1257
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: is Murphy's lost through when you're sitting there. Just I

1258
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,480
Speaker 1: think that they like, I think the only thing they

1259
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: I think they care a lot about what they see.

1260
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: The smell is an so I think like their whole

1261
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: groove of how they stay alive is based off um,

1262
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: I'll see the problem and I'll go to a place

1263
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: where nothing's gonna mess with me. Mm hmm. Well, and

1264
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: that that saddle, that pass that we were in when

1265
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: I had the tag last year, the exact same thing happened.

1266
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: It was just over a longer course of time. I

1267
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: had left camp, went up where we went, but then

1268
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: I had gone up over the peak down the back

1269
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: side and was probably gone for three hours. Came back

1270
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: and there were three sets of tracks that came right

1271
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: by my tent, right through that. So it's a little

1272
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: goat mag it is it is, and that that that

1273
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: bowl that we saw, I was coming right up through

1274
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: there as well. I think it's almost like a funnel. Yeah,

1275
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: a little hot like a little hot tip. Is we're

1276
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of ridges whatnot, kind of like collide together

1277
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: in a low benchy saddle, it's gonna come through. Yeah,

1278
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: it's just like a little funnel. Yeah, there was what

1279
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: three or four three drainages that or you know, the backside,

1280
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot coming to that saddle. There was,

1281
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: um but yeah, we lost a half day there. Just

1282
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: don't add their chester. Yeah, that happened actually multiple times,

1283
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: not just that one time. Uh, as I was going

1284
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: to glass that night, there were more tracks in our

1285
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: tracks going for the opposite direction. Um, like four sets

1286
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: of tracks in our tracks going right up past our

1287
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: camp again right in our tracks um, have you been

1288
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: telling a lot of people that you got to play

1289
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: guitar with Luke Holms? You got to play Luke Holms

1290
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: guitar and sing? Chester is not even though, No, I haven't.

1291
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: Haven't told a lot of you haven't leveraged it socially. No,

1292
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: he's got a wife. Yeah, I got a wife and

1293
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: I liked being a little incognito. Do you real quick?

1294
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: How you how you been enjoying your marriage? You've been married?

1295
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: How long? Though? I've been married since August nine and

1296
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: things are pretty good. I haven't got kicked to the

1297
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: couch at or the doghouse, so I feel like I'm

1298
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: doing pretty good. Did you guys know Chester got married

1299
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: in a homemade bolow time made out of elk candler.

1300
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I know did Chester make it?

1301
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: I didn't make it. You're an artist who made it?

1302
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: You like such a little craftsman. Sounds like a little

1303
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: bird too. One of Danielle's friends made him for us.

1304
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: Seth has one too. Yeah, he was in my wedding.

1305
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: When I saw a picture of Seth, he was basically

1306
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: I saw a picture of Seth a wedding. He was

1307
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: basically at the point where like some uncle has his

1308
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: neck tie tied around his head like a headband. There

1309
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of chest in the night, like a

1310
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: cloud of smoke around him, like one aisle open. He

1311
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: probably it looked just look like he just caught the

1312
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: guard belt. I think if there have been a series

1313
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: of photos, like a burst of photos, it just would

1314
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: have been that picture and then another following frames of

1315
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: Seth just slowly tik me down to the ground. If

1316
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: you'd have had the next time would have been tied

1317
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 1: around your head. This is like dancing like. Sethi was

1318
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: like ready to dance on the table. Yeah. No, I

1319
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: had been dancing very hard. He was like, can they

1320
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: play Money Money again? I was ready to do anything

1321
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah. He's like, oh, they could just

1322
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: play Celebrate one more time. If they've turned on Mombo

1323
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: number five, I'm gonna burn this place. That's probably the

1324
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: most tuned up I've ever seen you, Seth. Oh, is

1325
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: that right? It was a good reason to party, man, Yeah, yes,

1326
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: you're getting married. Seth was saying he wants to um Seth.

1327
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught that, but Seth's kind

1328
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: of wants to go to a bar with me. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1329
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: that's one of my life goals is to go to

1330
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: a bar with Steve. But we could we go to bar,

1331
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: does it? What do you do you mean that because

1332
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: you think that that would mean I'll be real drunk

1333
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: or just that that will be just I just like

1334
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: going to dive bars, and I think it'd be cool

1335
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: to just But what would you want me to do there?

1336
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Be be drunk and start a fight? Yeah I would

1337
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: like that, I mean somebody with a stool to But no,

1338
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: I just like chat and I go to dive bars

1339
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: all the time. Just have a beer. Just oh I

1340
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: would love to shoot. I want to set a date

1341
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: to go just after you get your goat, I thought

1342
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: getting the shot. Oh yeah, I'll do that right down

1343
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: right down the street. You got it all picked out? Yeah,

1344
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: just cross the railroad tracks. What we set I can't

1345
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: perfect spot? Oh yeah that place? Oh yeah? Oh so

1346
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: we want to get back to this thing though, But no,

1347
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: go I'll go. I don't go to bars, but I'll

1348
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: go to a bar. We could buffer you too, because

1349
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to get the see one niner man.

1350
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: I's gonna wear my mask with a straw. My brother

1351
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: thinks they ought to rebranded to see one niner. He

1352
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: likes the sound of that better. It sounds more aggressive. Um,

1353
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: we're trying to get a mask and poke a hole

1354
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: in it and run a straw. That's drink my shots

1355
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: like that. That should be mandated'll be like z's free drinking.

1356
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: How do you close the gap? You're gonna have to

1357
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: like Chester Cocke, he's a he's a crafty guy. It

1358
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: is a bummer coming back into town after being in

1359
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: the mountains for a couple of days. You're like, you

1360
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: do forget about COVID and like all the crazy stuff

1361
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: going on. You're just like, yeah, that's all still here.

1362
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 1: You know. It's better than a straw. Is a big

1363
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 1: hood where you can do all your hand functions in

1364
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: a thing like a bubble. Yeah. Oh yeah. There's like

1365
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: a little pass through port where they can hand glasses. Yeah,

1366
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: what's those balls down a hill? You know one of

1367
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: those Remember when Et like when he got all sick

1368
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: that thing, right, Yeah, be like get to go to

1369
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: the bar and at I'll go down there and get wasted. Yeah,

1370
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: but I don't like having the part of the reason

1371
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I quit drinking a lot like the part of reason

1372
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: I quit getting drunk, um was because I didn't think

1373
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: it was fair to my kids, who didn't ask to

1374
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: be born, right, they didn't like request to be born.

1375
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was fair to them to be

1376
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: hungover in the morning. Yeah, that's some that I mean.

1377
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: And I found myself being like irritated on days that

1378
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: I would be hung like on a Sunday or whatever, Saturday, whatever,

1379
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: hell be hungover and sort of like irritated by their

1380
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: presence when they were little because they were needy in

1381
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: the minute. I had that feeling and be like, dude,

1382
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: they didn't like ask to come live in the house.

1383
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: It's like you had him and brought him and now

1384
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: you're annoyed at him. Should a made some different decisions, man. Yeah,

1385
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: that's when I wanted to quit being drunk. No, that's

1386
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: that's smart. A lot of people don't do this. Sick

1387
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,879
Speaker 1: of being hungover. Man. But I had two little cocktails

1388
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: last night. I had a coffee that you had a

1389
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: little coffee. I had a coffee and then I had

1390
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: a giant uh rum cocon party and coconut. What do

1391
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: you call that? It's called Jimmy Buffett. I was reading

1392
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: an article one time in a magazine. It was about

1393
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: like what celebrities like drink, and I took note of that.

1394
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: There was Jimmy Buffett was being featured and he was

1395
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: saying how you can't get hung over coconut water drinking

1396
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: coconut water and rum. I've disproven that, disproving that, but

1397
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: it's a safe bet zero hangover this morning. Oh yeah, Mr.

1398
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: Half day because the fall m yep tons of Nanny

1399
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 1: show could have a lot of shot opportunities on Nanny's

1400
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: stock opportunities, a lot of me thinking Nanny's were billies,

1401
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of me trying to talk him into being billies,

1402
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: just at least giving them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah,

1403
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: But then what was it the second or the third

1404
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: day that we ended the third day that we spotted

1405
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: the one billy that we believe that it was the

1406
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: one that we got on three days later. So and

1407
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: there were a couple of goats obviously that we're in

1408
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: spots that were so far off the by themselves that

1409
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: you would suspect that they were billies, but you just

1410
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: couldn't verify it. Whether rolled in on a couple that

1411
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: were up high. Do you think trusting that we can

1412
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 1: get it worked out and you're able to adjust your

1413
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: schedule him go back out again. Um. I feel that

1414
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: we would if we if we spend and we should

1415
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: spend a day or two on this, I feel like

1416
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: we would find that billy again. Yeah, yeah, I I

1417
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: as long as he don't know, I would make that

1418
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: my plan. But I wouldn't be surprised, and it would

1419
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: you never really know, But I wouldn't be surprised that

1420
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, he's like back in one of

1421
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: those zones that we know him doing the habit. That

1422
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: would not surprise me in the least. You know what

1423
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: you said when you spotted him. Huh, well, yeah, I

1424
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: don't think you can stay it here. Oh no, no,

1425
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: you had just spotted a ram and then you said bingo,

1426
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:49,799
Speaker 1: oh yeah, which is totally family friendly. That is family friendly,

1427
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: he said, bingo. You would you would know if if

1428
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: you shot that goat, probably if it was the same one,

1429
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: because there might be a little tough to hair missing,

1430
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: like that bear in the great outdoors. Yeah, oh my god. Man. Um,

1431
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: there's six weeks. This is the will There'll be a

1432
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: part two to this. There's six weeks of season left. Um,

1433
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: I just really ah um, just so disappointed myself. I

1434
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: was really disappointed for you at the time. You give

1435
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: me a hog, I would have too, I'd still do it,

1436
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: but I looked that down. Yeah, I think I think

1437
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of perspective because back to

1438
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: when we were talking about it earlier, when you put

1439
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: in for something like this for twenty two years, I

1440
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that you don't put in

1441
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: for it because you want to go, yes, I'm doing

1442
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: this like it would make an exchange. Yes, it is.

1443
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: It is vastly about the experience that you have, the

1444
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: memories that you make, um, the things that you learn,

1445
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: and kind of at least for me, and one of

1446
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the things that I really enjoy about this style of

1447
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: hunting is that it's always pushing your envelope just a

1448
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit. Um that you're you're staying out when it's colder, Um,

1449
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: you're accessing country that maybe you don't feel comfortable in.

1450
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: And every time you push that envelope, your envelope becomes

1451
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,879
Speaker 1: larger and you become more experienced, and you you become more confident,

1452
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and you don't I don't necessarily get that with other

1453
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: styles of hunting that you do with the alpine style,

1454
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: and so where your experience putting in for this for

1455
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: twenty two years could have ended at five days. It's

1456
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: almost like a gift, you know, you get your tag again,

1457
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: you get to go again, you get to go have

1458
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: those experience because it's so much different than than any

1459
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: other style hunting, at least that I do well. She

1460
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: hunting is very similar, but I don't know that. I

1461
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: think that's why it's it's my favorite favorite time in

1462
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: the outdoors, and it's not always the most fun at

1463
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 1: the time. It's often the most challenging. I had been

1464
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: in on a couple of one day go once and

1465
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of like my impression. My

1466
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: old girlfriend has to the molaster, drew it once and

1467
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: we got it in today. My brother drew it, got

1468
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: it today. Yeah, I feel like they can go either way.

1469
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard lots of stories and and the

1470
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: odds definitely go up if you go in on the

1471
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: earlier season. Everything becomes more complicated in the late season.

1472
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: You have to have a different kid of gear, travels

1473
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:57,719
Speaker 1: different obviously, whether locating them becomes as we have seen,

1474
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: extremely tough. What makes you want to weight just for

1475
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: people to weariness. What makes you want to wait is

1476
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: that they get that big crazy hair. Yeah, because no

1477
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: one in the world is gonna get a mount and

1478
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: goat and not have it the rug Tand yeah, I mean,

1479
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure it happens, but that's generally like it's like

1480
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: a muskox hide. You're like throwing a dumpster hopefully not. No,

1481
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: it's like a thing of great beauty. It is. Yeah,

1482
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: it's amazing, and especially this time of year they get

1483
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 1: that thick wool because they end up with the longer

1484
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: guard hairs, the hollow guard hairs, and then they get

1485
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: that real fine wool, uh right next to skin and yeah,

1486
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. So it's beautiful. Oh, Rich are

1487
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: you willing to talk about your your Oh yeah, talk

1488
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: to lay out your little decision making process there day. Well,

1489
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: so yesterday we got into uh, going up to get

1490
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: that go that we spotted, and we got into an

1491
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: avalanche shoot and I don't really know what happened, but

1492
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: we got to a spot where we had kind of

1493
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: tucked around. It's like pretty mellow climb right, like you

1494
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: could have gone up that in view of the goat

1495
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: but that stretch was like wide open. It was almost

1496
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: like pastory, like very mellow, but it was in view

1497
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: of where the goat could have been. So to avoid

1498
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 1: going up that and getting spotted and blowing the goat out,

1499
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: we wrapped around the edge of that, which happened to

1500
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: be one side of a pretty steep avalanche shoot and

1501
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: below is just like a river of timber and then

1502
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: a little creek below that and the river of down

1503
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 1: timber debris field from an avalanche like pungee sticks of

1504
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: like giant break yeah. Um, and we like started going

1505
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: up that and then I think Kurt spotted the goat

1506
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: right where you guys were pretty far away from me

1507
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: and Garrett, and I think Garrett was in front of me,

1508
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: And then we had to down climb that. I don't

1509
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: know what that was like sevent was that too much?

1510
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Pretty accurate? And that was I don't know what what

1511
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: was the angle? It was steep. I remember looking at

1512
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 1: Garrett and being like, this looks damn near vertical. Man.

1513
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 1: You stick your arm out and you're touching the ground.

1514
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean if you stick your arm out horizontal. And

1515
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: we had crampons at this point and ice acts. We

1516
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: weren't on ice. It was still like soft soil, so

1517
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: you had purchase snow. Snow though wet snow so it's slippery.

1518
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened, Like something just gripped

1519
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: me and I just got like way out of my

1520
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: comfort zone. And I've never had that happen on any

1521
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: Meat Eater shoot. I've been shooting the show for five years,

1522
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: and I've never gotten like totally freaked and just not.

1523
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: I just felt like out of my ability to keep moving.

1524
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: And there's a thing like in climbing where you just

1525
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: like freeze and you can't you just like don't know

1526
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: how to make your body move. And that happened to

1527
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: me like multiple times on that down climb, and it

1528
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: was just so weird, like a hummingbird's lips, yeah, not

1529
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: a woodpecker. And uh so we find I get down,

1530
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: we get down to this little spot where there's this

1531
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: frozen waterfall, and yeah, I was just like I feel

1532
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 1: totally out of my ability to do this. And then

1533
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: you guys were all, you know, super super nice and

1534
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: very supportive and and we're like, if you know, if

1535
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it, you don't have to

1536
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: do it. And I made the call to to leave,

1537
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: and it was a really hard decision. I felt very guilty,

1538
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: really extremely But then you shared with this that you

1539
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: had had but then you'd had this feeling of that

1540
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:04,959
Speaker 1: something bad is gonna happen. I didn't want from that.

1541
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: I know the last thing you left us with was

1542
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something bad's gonna happen. Well, I remember looking

1543
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: at you guys just bee like be really really fucking safe,

1544
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: and because something just felt fucking weird about the whole thing. Man,

1545
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it was totally my head?

1546
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: But you know, like once you get in your own

1547
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: head about stuff, it's hard to get out of it.

1548
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I noticed, like I could see it

1549
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: was funny because just having been with you in a

1550
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of yeah, well, I mean there's a lot of situations,

1551
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: including a bunch of situations of steep stuff, wet snow

1552
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: and just skipping along problem you go lucky. Um. I

1553
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: it was like I watched you sort of have um

1554
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: like I was like you would you You're totally fine,

1555
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: Like I've just seen you do this so many times,

1556
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: but you just had like a thing entered your head.

1557
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: Something happened. Yeah, it was really weird and like not

1558
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: to not to say you shouldn't pay attention that you

1559
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to it, but to your point,

1560
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: like the day, the last day that we had camped

1561
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: before we rolled out because that big storm was coming in,

1562
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 1: we had gotten up on that one glass and knob

1563
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: that was like when we were out on the end

1564
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 1: of it man, and if you had fallen off, you

1565
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: would have been toast and we're skipping around him there

1566
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: filming ship and like you were like you were disappointed

1567
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: that that in that area, we were like mindful of time,

1568
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,839
Speaker 1: didn't want to go down in the dark. I couldn't

1569
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 1: really see any reason to keep going. It was like

1570
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: very dicey to keep going for like no reason. It

1571
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: was like it wasn't like we were stalking something. It

1572
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: was just like trying to find the source of a

1573
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: set of mountain goat tracks. And you were like wanting

1574
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: to keep going. And in my mind that would have

1575
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: been like kind of like borderline stupid, yeah, because we

1576
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: weren't like after something. It was just to the point

1577
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 1: where like I would go if there was a thing there,

1578
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: if there was like a shot operate, like if we're

1579
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: like Okay, there's ability, let's try to get a shot.

1580
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, okay, let's just go. But I would

1581
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: never be like just to get another twenty yards of

1582
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 1: visibility over the top of the ridge. It just wasn't

1583
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 1: worth it to me. Yeah, that didn't freak me out

1584
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: at all. But then you entered a little mind space.

1585
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: There was just something about I just kept looking down

1586
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: at that that avalanche shoot and just like I could

1587
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: just like see my body all crumpled up like that

1588
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: fucking goat. You shot my brains, fucking goneng by my

1589
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 1: wristwash and I just like, yeah, man, I just got

1590
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: like so rattled, and yeah, I don't. We sat there

1591
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: for a long time, and you got like we gotta

1592
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: like the goatskin way around all day. It was a

1593
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: hard decision, man, it was really I came down bombed,

1594
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: and I came down and talked to these guys. They

1595
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: saw me come down the trail and they were all

1596
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: worried all day. Chester ran up and thought everybody died. Yeah.

1597
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: The look on Chris's face, big wide open eye is like,

1598
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, in some ways it kind of has a

1599
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: symmetry to Steve's miss shot, and that there's this sense

1600
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: of of like I let the the greater hole down. Yeah, definitely,

1601
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean yeah, Chris, you were obviously like

1602
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: very frazzled by not the decision, but the fact that

1603
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: you made the decision of that make sense. And it's

1604
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: not like I'm not afraid of like not like I'm

1605
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: not trying to be macho and me like, oh, I

1606
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: can just do it. And what it was just like

1607
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. The thing I care. I

1608
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: just don't want to not one do the thing that

1609
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm here to do, which is to film the show,

1610
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and also not have this experience that I love having

1611
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: with all you guys. So like it was, Yeah, it

1612
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: was just a it's weird, man, It's I'm gonna be

1613
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: thinking about it for for a long time, much like your

1614
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: goat thing when you wake up too in the morning.

1615
01:41:53,160 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 1: Let's talk about talking. Why don't you tell me about

1616
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: the hair thing? Go ahead, Chester, then we're gonna we're

1617
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: gonna wait and then we're gonna we're gonna wrap her

1618
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: up because then we're gonna part two. Man, I'm gonna

1619
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: call that episode the return. This episode be the miss

1620
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: the reason why I think these guys all like passed

1621
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: away up there is because you didn't hear what I said.

1622
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: You were walking down the trail Chris towards me and

1623
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I said, is everything okay? And you kind of had

1624
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: this You shook your head no and you had your

1625
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: head down. And at that moment, I trying to give

1626
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: you guys a thumbs up because that entered my head

1627
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: that like, oh, they're probably thinking something bad happens. So

1628
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 1: I try to be like, no, it's all good, gone

1629
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: to Heaven up they're up. Ah, yeah, man, Yeah it

1630
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: was weird. It was a weird one long time left. Yeah,

1631
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: I just am So. You know what celebrities do a

1632
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: thing that they got to apologize on Instagram, They make

1633
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 1: the apology video. I'm doing a lot more listening than

1634
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: talking these days. That's like one of the things. And

1635
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 1: you also have to um be like I'm very humbled.

1636
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm humbold. Yeah. If I didn't do anything bad, I

1637
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 1: didn't do like a celebrity mistake. I'm just humbled, humbling

1638
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 1: train the whole deal is humbling about the miss dude,

1639
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 1: I know, but it's it's all part of it. Yeah, yeah,

1640
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: I say, if you're if you're not learning you ain't earning.

1641
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, buddy poetry, how's that go again? If you're

1642
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: if you're not learning, you ain't earning. That's what I'm

1643
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: gonna call this episode. That's a good one. And then

1644
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: the next episode will be the second miss or it'll

1645
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: be the fall of the Goat, the lost the lost

1646
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: body be like an Evert an Everst character. All right, man,

1647
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: we'll be back with a dead goat. With Noble Steve

1648
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: so struck with grief and saddled with self loathing. We

1649
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: knew he'd have to try again or else he'd risk imploding.

1650
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: So we mobilize the cavalry, the whole meat eater crew,

1651
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: and sent Noble Steve back on the hunt. Here's the

1652
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: story of Attempt number two. Okay, we're back for part two.

1653
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: The only difference now is that it'll you'll you'll notice

1654
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: a slight sound difference because we're not in our studio.

1655
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: And also you'll this part to the Mountain got deal

1656
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: and uh, Chris Ridge Pounder Gil is not with us.

1657
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh than a remind refresh everyone's memory. Who's here. I'm

1658
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: feeling a lot better. I feel a lot better. Rick. Yeah,

1659
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy that you feel better, because when you

1660
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: feel better, that means we don't have to keep going

1661
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: out there because I know, yeah, people were worried. Chester

1662
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 1: still here, Chester still here, Seth. Even though to you

1663
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: the listener, this this part one just rolled into part two.

1664
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: But what you don't realize that, uh, it's a long

1665
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: time later. Summer, summer came back, Summer came back. Winner

1666
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: just showed up, Seth. Girlfriend shot a testicle. This dear yep,

1667
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: real nice cactus buck fatty right, fatty dirt got dere

1668
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 1: Kurt hasn't got shipped, Andrey got here too. Prospects though,

1669
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 1: um uh, we'll get back to the mountain, go and

1670
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 1: conclude our saga. But but talk about the explain the

1671
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: cactus buck deal. I think people think so this is

1672
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: a crazy story. Um my girlfriend Kelsey, she was it.

1673
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: Last last week, No, a week and a half ago.

1674
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 1: We spent a week out in eastern Montana deer hunting,

1675
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: first week of the season. And um, the one night

1676
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: we went out with Kelsey to try and find her

1677
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 1: a buck, and we were six miles from our camp

1678
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: and we found this really cool cactus buck, still in velvet.

1679
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Its right side was somewhat normal, left side. It was

1680
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: just like a just like six points sticking out of

1681
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 1: the base of its antler, where like an aniler should be. Yeah,

1682
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: this is like a hormonal imbalance, right and um. For

1683
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: whatever reason, we couldn't get on that buck that buck

1684
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: that evening. We'd like crest the hill and he'd be

1685
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: a thousand yards away, and then go over hill. We

1686
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: get to that hill, he'd be a thousand yards away.

1687
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: He's out trying to find his testicles. Maybe I don't know,

1688
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: he's not gonna find him. Oh, I you know what

1689
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, I stopped the other day, take my ljs off?

1690
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: What you know how I took the other day? I

1691
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 1: got hot and stopped and took my long John's off. Left.

1692
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: Those sons of bitches layd there. Who walks away from

1693
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: their long John's. Guess he's walking away from a track

1694
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: and bowl to stand up and walk away from your

1695
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: long john more priorities. So someone's gonna be like, oh,

1696
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: it's weird fair long johns. Maybe the long Johns. I

1697
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: started looking for the corpse that would be mum anyway. Um,

1698
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: So we didn't get on that buck that even the

1699
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 1: next morning, we decided to go on a quick bird

1700
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: hunt in the morning rather than deer hunt, because there

1701
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: was birds everywhere. And we're back at our camp, and

1702
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: we left camp and walked over this one ridge and

1703
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I glassed up on the hill and sure enough there's

1704
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: that same book six air miles from where we had

1705
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 1: seen him the night before. Who knows how how far,

1706
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: like with you know, he could to walk twelve miles

1707
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 1: that night, hard to say, And it was, so it's distinct,

1708
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 1: and it's without a doubt because it's such a weird

1709
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 1: like how many like bucks in velvet with a weird growth? Yeah,

1710
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 1: which the weird thing was that area. We had seen

1711
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 1: seven different bucks in velvet that there's a thing on code.

1712
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 1: There's if you've heard of on Kodiak. There's like an

1713
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 1: area that's famous for these these hormonally imbalanced cactus bucks

1714
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: that like have weird formation in the velvet dries on

1715
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 1: the rack. When you say cactus buck, I mean I

1716
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: got that. They get these thorny looking antlers, these like

1717
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: clubby Goofy's not the whole time I've been alive, I

1718
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: didn't start hearing It's like I never heard about this.

1719
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Now every other day I hear about it from somebody,

1720
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: And just just by thumbing through Instagram, I have seen

1721
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: several deer that have been taken this year. They were

1722
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 1: still in velvet, different dates to Montana, Utah. Deer are

1723
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:08,440
Speaker 1: getting less manly. Yeah, crisis of masculinity and the deer population.

1724
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: And this deer, this man some academic papers. All the

1725
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: bucks that we had seen that week, we're hanging out

1726
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: with other bucks. Up until this point, that was the

1727
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: only buck that we had seen. It was hanging out

1728
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: with those like he just thought he was just one

1729
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: of one of the ladies, you know. And then his

1730
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: berries were I was saying that he had lost him,

1731
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: but they were dwarf. They looked normal there. He had

1732
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: a intact sack, and when I felt that, it just

1733
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: felt like there was nothing there. There's nothing in there,

1734
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 1: not the sender or something like it. Did you had,

1735
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe that's what happened. It didn't even

1736
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: feel like there were any little raisins in there, you know,

1737
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 1: like he had the coin theres but there was no

1738
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,640
Speaker 1: change in drop. So you could just go on and

1739
01:49:55,680 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 1: on with these metaporters. It's endlessly amusing. It's interesting, man

1740
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 1: um Anybody if you want to read up on this

1741
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: just go type in like cactus buck and there's all.

1742
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 1: There's way better explanations than we're providing. But it has

1743
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 1: to do with like it not having it's uh, the

1744
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: proper dose of its masculine hormones, and for somehow it

1745
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 1: like leads to weird antler growth and then the velvet

1746
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 1: tends to dry yep on them, you could see a

1747
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: The funny thing is at six miles that it traveled,

1748
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: you could see like a really ruddy buck, you know,

1749
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: cruising that distance. But why why you know, hermaphrodite dear

1750
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it traveling? That doesn't

1751
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 1: make any sense. I don't know. I picked up and

1752
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: moved that far that night he was looking was poor

1753
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: poor choice on his part because and again pushed around

1754
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: like others. Yeah, maybe he gets his ass kicked all

1755
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: the time. Maybe he just doesn't have the same amount

1756
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 1: of one of the biggest body deer though I've ever

1757
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 1: seen my life. Yeah, that's odd thing too, just huge.

1758
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 1: Did you guys taste it yet? Um? I don't know.

1759
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,639
Speaker 1: We we we didn't do a good job of keeping

1760
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 1: track of well, once you got home, everything got all

1761
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: mixed up. Yeah. Um, so we went back like ended

1762
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: the mountain go hunting in despair. I had a midlife crisis.

1763
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: And it was winter. It was cold, cold. I went

1764
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: through a midlife crisis. It's over now. I didn't buy

1765
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:37,599
Speaker 1: a car or anything, but I had a midlife crisis.

1766
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: It kept you awake at night, kept me awake at night.

1767
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Not only that, my wife noticed the difference in me.

1768
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 1: She knew that the missing hurt me hard. I heard

1769
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 1: she was making fun of you for it made fun

1770
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 1: of me. I felt embarrassed whenever I was around Kurt

1771
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: when Jimmy, really, you go blow Kurt? If I only

1772
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 1: could know, Uh, my wife is friendly with Kurt's wife.

1773
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 1: So I'll eventually find out what Kurt said about truly

1774
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 1: felt What about your your boy? That company? Oh, Jimmy

1775
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 1: was not so you disappointed in your dad? My boy

1776
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: was not happy, just very like what Mr Pierce doesn't

1777
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 1: understand how it could happen? Turned into summer again, turned

1778
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: back in the winter, and um, we went back into

1779
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,719
Speaker 1: the same vicinity and it was just like it felt

1780
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: to me like I mean, there was always it felt

1781
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: to me like a lot of mountain golts had moved

1782
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,680
Speaker 1: into that valley for whatever reason, yeah, or I don't know,

1783
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 1: didn't it. Oh yeah, they were just everywhere. They were everywhere. Yeah.

1784
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: How many did we count that first day in the

1785
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: zone that we were in and we were only in

1786
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: one couple dozen once. I mean, it wasn't a small job,

1787
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: but it was just a fraction of the area. So

1788
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 1: we went back, had a great beautiful weather window, got

1789
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: after one billy that laid up in a in a

1790
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 1: spot that made it very difficult to shoot at him,

1791
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: almost like he tends it, almost like it was his notion,

1792
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 1: almost like he meant it. Um didn't work out. The

1793
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 1: next day went out and we realized something was happening

1794
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 1: that I didn't really even going into this, didn't wasn't

1795
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: aware of. Is that you enter into that you start

1796
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: getting close to the mountain go rut. Yeah. So the

1797
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 1: we found two bands, like two groups of nanny's what

1798
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 1: like six to a dozen, I don't know, and each

1799
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: of them had a billy mixed in. Yeah, and they

1800
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: were close to one another. They were only yards apart. Yeah, definitely,

1801
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 1: like like the groups would definitely be aware of each

1802
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: other and and you know, like interacting in somewhere or another.

1803
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 1: And it made it, Uh, after a lot of frustration

1804
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 1: and looking at billy's that were hard to get to

1805
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: or wanting how you're going to get to them, and

1806
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,479
Speaker 1: wondering where you're gonna shoot from if you do get

1807
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 1: to them. It was like, Um, it was as though

1808
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 1: one laid it out on a blueprint. You're talking Saturday,

1809
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: What did I'm sorry if I'm not being clear. Yeah,

1810
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: the one we got was so perfectly positioned two where

1811
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: if you imagine like a little crease in a mountain,

1812
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: it's like on one side of the crease and the

1813
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: opposing ridge you could just sneak up, walk up, pop over,

1814
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: shoot across everything perfect. Yeah, when there's six of us

1815
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 1: versus just two people that you know are it's like

1816
01:54:56,560 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: a whole different footprint for for travel. So having that

1817
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 1: goat in a good position otherwise it's just like six people,

1818
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 1: are you know something? You know even if you sneak

1819
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: around pretty good, something's gonna Did you guys end up

1820
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: seeing another billy when you popped up? Did not Kurt

1821
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 1: look forward to? Yeh? I find that there's some poetic

1822
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:26,240
Speaker 1: poetic justice. Maybe that's not the word. Um that the

1823
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: shot difference, It was the exact same shot, and uh,

1824
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have my struggles this time, didn't miss. It

1825
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: was a little it was three or five, right, three

1826
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 1: or six. But I found out in the days after

1827
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 1: with ing my shot and contemplating it, I found out

1828
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: a number of things, a bunch of little perfect like

1829
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of small things that added up. I went in.

1830
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: I had a rifle that I had said at a

1831
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 1: two yard zero without actually making an actual two yards zero,

1832
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 1: like I arrived at it through math what my two

1833
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: yards zero is, and in that process screwed up so

1834
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 1: that my two yards zero was already high. Anyway. Then

1835
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 1: I had like a a dope chart, you know, like

1836
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: a drop chart, and I think that I think that

1837
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 1: when I pulled that chart up, I was being lazy

1838
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 1: and maybe even um I don't know if the auto

1839
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: filled that sea level or whatever. I don't know, but

1840
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: I was already high. My little dope chart was off

1841
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: to make it more high. And then I was trying

1842
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 1: to shoot the mountain go in the high shoulder, not

1843
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 1: accounting for the massive amount of nothingness beneath the hair,

1844
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 1: so that I was probably already kind of aiming at

1845
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 1: not even aiming at the mountain Go anyways, and yeah,

1846
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 1: just shot over his back and this time I went

1847
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: back to normal aim and got him. Yeah that's a

1848
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 1: good group. Um yeah, I forgot what you said when

1849
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 1: we walked up to that goat, but when we skinned him,

1850
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 1: you said, like, that's that looks like a pretty tight

1851
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: group right there. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of shots, a

1852
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: few shots there that that all seemed to be like terminal.

1853
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 1: But he didn't show like Kurt confirmed the first hit

1854
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: was a hit, but he sure didn't show the signs

1855
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, he soaked up some rounds. Yeah, I

1856
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 1: was surprised. Um four and a half years old and

1857
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 1: the bile I went, I just this morning took it

1858
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: to get it check. You have to with a mountain goot,

1859
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: you have to take it in to get it examined.

1860
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: And they pull a tooth and by looking at the

1861
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 1: tooth eruption, well looking at the annual I so you

1862
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: can count growth rings out him and Kurt, you had

1863
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: a peg to four and a half years. But you

1864
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: can see the lamb tip or the kid tip. I

1865
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: guess like this first year growth and you see the

1866
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: annually rings. Kurt pegged it at four and a half. Um.

1867
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: The biologists also felt four and a half based on

1868
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 1: the annually and then the tooth eruption. The dental pattern

1869
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 1: also backed up four and a half. But then they'll

1870
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 1: send it off for like a cementum analysis. And an

1871
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: old goat is like ten years older, and Kurt shot one.

1872
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, I shot one of those eight And yeah,

1873
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: I've heard of multiple goats being in that ten and

1874
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I think from what I've seen, very similar to what

1875
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: you'll see with sheep where they can get twelve thirteen. Wow,

1876
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: But I know it gets it gets really tough to

1877
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: count those rings when you have a goat that old,

1878
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:54,280
Speaker 1: because they all stack up right there at the bottom.

1879
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not like a sheet where it's spread

1880
01:58:56,640 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: out over thirty six to you or whatever. So this

1881
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 1: thing's horn, it's long horn was nine inches and it's

1882
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 1: shorter horn was I think eight and five six eight

1883
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 1: or something like that, eight in five eighths. I can't remember.

1884
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 1: Very very sharp horns on it, very long, like long

1885
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 1: winter coat, but not old like not a giant tasty,

1886
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: very tasty. And when I was down today getting my

1887
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 1: thing checked, the guy, I don't know if I told

1888
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:26,000
Speaker 1: you guys this. The guy was in there with two

1889
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 1: big horn deadheads, very old, look the same vintage, looked

1890
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: like the same where on him one of them had

1891
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of sheath on it still, and he

1892
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: was getting him checked in and so he could keep

1893
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: him for himself. Oh, he just found him, brought him

1894
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: in to get him, brought him in to get him certified.

1895
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 1: Like you uhould not be able to have it at all.

1896
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Right now, if you find when you can get it

1897
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: checked it, did that change it this year? Last year?

1898
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 1: It was either last year or the year before. It's

1899
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: just just as I think this is the second hunting

1900
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,080
Speaker 1: Sea and where if you found something you could take

1901
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 1: it in everywhere, because I mean I was, I was

1902
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: telling you guys, we found that one on Grand Canyon

1903
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 1: and you couldn't keep it. Yeah, and and I believe

1904
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:15,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's obviously different between types of land national

1905
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:18,080
Speaker 1: forests or public ground post too. Oh. I wouldn't even

1906
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 1: see a public ground, but I like parks and that

1907
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 1: that's that's outside of that realm. So you didn't have

1908
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 1: to check that at one time. Did a thing at

1909
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 1: the New Mexico Fishing Game has this fundraiser where they

1910
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 1: sell they auction. It's like for the it's like for

1911
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: a group that's sort of supported. I can't hember how

1912
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,720
Speaker 1: it works. New Mexico Fishing Game Department, like some affiliate

1913
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 1: organization or them. They have an annual auction where they

1914
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: um they auction off like tags and stuff, governors tags one.

1915
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: I think they do it at this, but they also

1916
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 1: auction off all the ship that gets hit by cars,

1917
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 1: all the poach stuff, all the stuff that people find.

1918
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 1: And they had all kinds of big horn heads down there.

1919
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:11,040
Speaker 1: It was for whatever you found it, laying um confiscated stuff. Uh.

1920
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 1: I heard about a guy at one time that had

1921
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 1: killed a bear in self defense and had to turn

1922
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 1: into hide and skull, and then later went down to

1923
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:29,320
Speaker 1: the auction just as an anonymous person and bought his

1924
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 1: bear back, and he had skinned it in some weird way,

1925
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 1: so he had like made the cuts in some unorthodox

1926
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: fashion so that he knew for sure it was the one,

1927
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 1: because they then got it tanned, and he went down

1928
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 1: and bought it at auction and knew it was his

1929
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:49,360
Speaker 1: because he'd skinned it in some way to leave his

1930
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 1: mark on. And so now he's got his own totally legal,

1931
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 1: but got his own thing back. What are you with

1932
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: your goal? You're gonna how are you gonna have that?

1933
02:01:57,320 --> 02:02:03,840
Speaker 1: Finished out? A rug with the head in? I had

1934
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: a I had a tar him alan tar like that that.

1935
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 1: I gave you a buddy. Imagine like a classic bear

1936
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: rug with two horns sticking out the top on the floor.

1937
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be draped on the wall? The horns

1938
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 1: are too sharp? Danger? I got a mountain lion I

1939
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: did like that. That's on the wall. Um, I got it,

1940
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:23,600
Speaker 1: like I said, I gave that tar away and then yeah,

1941
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang on the wall because the horns of

1942
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 1: your kids can't be running around on that. No trip

1943
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 1: trip on that thing came over, dude, its sharp, man.

1944
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that. You attack it to the

1945
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 1: ceiling maybe so now, Um no, I'm gonna put it

1946
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah, you don't got much wall space.

1947
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 1: I got a little spot for it. Okay, real quickly.

1948
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:52,240
Speaker 1: You know that giant buck dug during shot all those

1949
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: years ago, they call the standards. Doug took it down.

1950
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 1: Uh dog took it down to the tax and there

1951
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I was. You know, this is a good story. He

1952
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,840
Speaker 1: takes his buck down to the tax there was and

1953
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 1: people are out dropping all their stuff off. But like

1954
02:03:07,120 --> 02:03:08,800
Speaker 1: the text and it was just like get all these

1955
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 1: cars out of the way, you know, let this guy

1956
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:16,000
Speaker 1: pull in. And and a guy asked Doug, um what

1957
02:03:16,040 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna do with it? And dogs like you've never

1958
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 1: taken anything to a tax nervous before you noise? I

1959
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I just like to get the

1960
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 1: head mounted. And he said this, gaggles, that was my dear.

1961
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:30,240
Speaker 1: I had stuffed the whole damn thing and I got

1962
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 1: a place where I could put it. All right. We

1963
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 1: had agreed that, um, wasn't it. We're supposed to have

1964
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:42,760
Speaker 1: a shot. That's chester Chester's rule. This is like a

1965
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 1: like a like a Wisconsin celebration. Yeah, kind of we

1966
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 1: were in Wisconsin and you shot a buck, we'd have

1967
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 1: some kind of drinking that that conversation, remember we were

1968
02:03:56,120 --> 02:03:58,080
Speaker 1: talking how we would like to go to a bar

1969
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:00,640
Speaker 1: with Steve, but I don't go to bars, but you

1970
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 1: don't go to bars. And then this it turned into

1971
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 1: chat saying if you get one, we need to have

1972
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:10,000
Speaker 1: a shot. You know, when I get s one niner,

1973
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna because I got that a bar. Yeah,

1974
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:18,200
Speaker 1: I wish I could say the same. I want. I

1975
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 1: don't want it to be that. I was like, oh yeah,

1976
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 1: he got C one nine? Or is that a bar?

1977
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 1: What are you? What's the cheers? Was Johnny was here,

1978
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,960
Speaker 1: he'd probably have a laughing one to a success you got,

1979
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 1: you got a good sky each year. Um to the

1980
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:37,360
Speaker 1: good ships, the bad ships and chips that sail the sea.

1981
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 1: But the best ships are friendships, and may they always

1982
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:51,200
Speaker 1: be box big goats. O. IM pretty sure that's an Irish.

1983
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:56,000
Speaker 1: My problem is I was gonna slurt mine just to

1984
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,120
Speaker 1: make a loud noise so people people could have an

1985
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 1: experience with me. But holy ship, that's smooth, right, he's

1986
02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: already looking at the bottle? Was that booned Crocket Club

1987
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:13,360
Speaker 1: whiskey seven? Seth gave me a bottle of that for

1988
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 1: my birthday. Steve was over there that day and I

1989
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 1: think we finished the whole bottle off that night. Okay,

1990
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 1: here's we were saying earlier. I first applied for mountain

1991
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:34,480
Speaker 1: goat tag in this state. Uh, and finally Drew kurt you,

1992
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what you You probably applied since you

1993
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 1: were a little kid. Is this your first mountain coat tag?

1994
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 1: Last year, or had you drawn before in Montana? I

1995
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 1: was the first one, and you had you been at

1996
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,760
Speaker 1: it for forever. I hadn't because the whole time I

1997
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 1: lived in Alaska, so we just hunted gold up. Just yeah,

1998
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 1: so I wasn't until I move back. Got you started

1999
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 1: putting in getting points. But um, you're prohibited after you draw.

2000
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 1: You're prohibited from even a lying for seven years. Correct,

2001
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,760
Speaker 1: So you're six years You got six years to go.

2002
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm entering my seven year hiatus, hiatus from even applying.

2003
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: It took me twenty two years to draw last time.

2004
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm forty six. That puts me the I can't do

2005
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 1: that kind of that level of arithmetic. If I wait

2006
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 1: the seven and then go twenty two, who's good a math?

2007
02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:36,560
Speaker 1: Seventy five years old SI plus twenty nine, sty're looking

2008
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:40,280
Speaker 1: into an easier unit. Let's even if even if you

2009
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 1: only go ten or fifteen, you're still you're still in

2010
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 1: your sixth decade. Yeah, I don't know how many more

2011
02:06:46,040 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 1: years I got, how many more years of this I

2012
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 1: got left in me? That's a that's a tough I

2013
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 1: like it. The Kurts older me because he's fine. Oh yeah,

2014
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:57,400
Speaker 1: he's better than I am he's more spry. You guys

2015
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 1: are both real spry. I was really happy to hear

2016
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 1: that you were feeling bad because it helps. Dirt diagnosed

2017
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:08,200
Speaker 1: me not having enough of Regano extract. I got something.

2018
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: Steve was complaining about jello legs as we're, you know,

2019
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 1: going up three thousand vertical feet and uh, I mean,

2020
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:18,960
Speaker 1: you gotta take your time no matter what. But that

2021
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 1: helps me out toning along a camera. Yeah, yeah, that

2022
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 1: was a big hike Friday. That wasn't That was the

2023
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 1: biggest hike at the trip. I think big and slow

2024
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 1: as far as gain Friday, Yeah, yeah, by that not Saturday. Okay,

2025
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the rest of my shot. All right,

2026
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:43,680
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening, Uh, rest easy. My midlife crisis

2027
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 1: is over. I got my mountain go seven years. I'm

2028
02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna be back into the game. Or like Sid, get

2029
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: the get the kids, take the kids out. Listen, man,

2030
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how many how many points do they have?

2031
02:07:55,760 --> 02:08:00,240
Speaker 1: My five year old has two points? How manna ways?

2032
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:03,800
Speaker 1: Jimmy f too? Oh he does? I have four? This

2033
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be a while. Yeah yeah. My kid will

2034
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:08,920
Speaker 1: turn twelve when he's first able to apply for a

2035
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,680
Speaker 1: limited permit. He'll be coming into the draw. I can't

2036
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:15,160
Speaker 1: do that level of math. I don't know. He'll have

2037
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 1: nine points I did do it. Is there an average

2038
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:21,600
Speaker 1: on how long it takes is twenty two years? Comment.

2039
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:28,560
Speaker 1: What this state does is they square your points. So

2040
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:32,760
Speaker 1: let's say you accumulate a point one times one is one,

2041
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:35,960
Speaker 1: so you're in the draw once. But let's say you're

2042
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:39,400
Speaker 1: a feller like me who's accumulated every bonus point you

2043
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 1: could get. And I don't know when they put the

2044
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: system into effect, but it's a long time ago, in

2045
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 1: the teens. So you have like fifteen times fifteen points. Dang, sure,

2046
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:56,800
Speaker 1: odds are way better exponential. So but then everybody's like that.

2047
02:08:57,480 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 1: So everybody's in there. Everyone's name is in the hat

2048
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 1: like some odd hundreds. Yeah, you had name T Eggs

2049
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:12,160
Speaker 1: in there. So I have sixteen points. Now away do

2050
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:15,800
Speaker 1: you have jet You probably have more than everyone's sitting here.

2051
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh so yeah you got two hundred.

2052
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,160
Speaker 1: You got two hundred and fifty six bonus points. My

2053
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:27,640
Speaker 1: kids got two. No, he's got two times two four. Yeah,

2054
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:30,600
Speaker 1: so you still got slightly better draws and than he does.

2055
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, but still he's gonna be a while, all right, everybody,

2056
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:38,440
Speaker 1: rest easy on my behalf. Oh plus them and go

2057
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 1: tasted real good man, Yes, very good. Hot tip if

2058
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:46,200
Speaker 1: you want to have you being uh people out there,

2059
02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:48,480
Speaker 1: if you want to have something good to eat. Danielle,

2060
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:53,080
Speaker 1: what's it called whiskey? Like, Danielle Cruett, Go type into

2061
02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:56,160
Speaker 1: the your phone. Not you, I mean not you Chester,

2062
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 1: but it's mean people. He had it up on his phone.

2063
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 1: Type into your phone, Danielle true. Are you just do this? Pruett?

2064
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:11,280
Speaker 1: P R E W E T T whiskey butter heart recipe.

2065
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 1: Make that, make that ship, but also put it on

2066
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:22,480
Speaker 1: like backstrap, tenderloine whatever seared venice in heart Whiskey butter

2067
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:27,560
Speaker 1: recipe on the meat eater site me dot com. Danielle Pruett.

2068
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:30,840
Speaker 1: She's kind of like kind of becoming. It's a little

2069
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 1: bit like I would never say this in front of

2070
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:37,880
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffith's, but she's kind of becoming like my favorite

2071
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 1: wild game. Don't tell Jesse I said that I just

2072
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:44,400
Speaker 1: ated his restaurant here at night, So I feel pretty

2073
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 1: bad if word got out. He's been replaced. He's been replaced. Danielle.

2074
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 1: I like Danielle better than just It's not like anybody

2075
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:56,400
Speaker 1: listens to this podcast. When I was searching up that thing,

2076
02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 1: you know what I found it was surprising. Is it's

2077
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:01,840
Speaker 1: like a thing that happens where if you like auto Phil,

2078
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 1: if you write in Danielle Pruett, guess what the number

2079
02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 1: one auto Phil is. Danielle Pruett, husband understanding alright, by thanks,