1 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: The time has come again where we reached out to 2 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: our listeners for voice memos. This time we wanted to 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: talk to them about the infamous Drinking episode. We wanted 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to know if they thought that it should have been banned, 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: if it was too dramatic, that scared them from forever drinking, 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: did it make them an alcoholic? What did it do 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: for them? And we once again received what I could 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: only describe as a butt load of emails. 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: That's a very specific term. 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Is that is well, it's metric. 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Ye, So yeah, so I don't understand that. 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah. Overall, would you guys say 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: you liked that episode looking back? 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: If you think I remember that episode. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: The one I remember Rider saying he hated watching his 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: performance in that. Yes, but like Benz, liked Benz and 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: also liked the idea that it was like Michael taught 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: you how to play drunk by not actually playing drunk. 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 4: I remember that. 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: My basic takeaway was that the first half of the 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: episode was awesome or it was just that once it 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: got redirected to like Sean becoming an alcoholic. Up until then, 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this is actually a pretty important lesson, 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 4: and well, it's you know, it's very special episodey, but 26 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: still let's go there. But then it just felt like 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 4: way too much. And I remember saying it at the time, 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: like I but I'm curious to hear from listeners, particularly 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: those who maybe were dealing with an alcoholic parent or 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: an alcoholic in their family, because I imagine it spoke to 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: them in a way that, you know, maybe it makes 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: the episode worth it, you know, like regardless of how 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 4: you know, sort of heavy hand. 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: Every episode is somebody's favorite episode. That's what I just 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: keep in minding myself. 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: That's true except story night. So I will say too, 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: I didn't pick any clips that say this, but a 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: lot of people do think this should have been a 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: two parter. 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 2: Oh. 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 5: We we talked about that. That would have been the 42 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 5: great two parter where a time lapse could have happened, 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 5: where everyone could have been shocked by the idea that 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 5: wait a minute, Sean is still drinking, right, you know. 45 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 4: You get a whole episode of the reveal of that, 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: Yeah really developed. 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: A multiple strange behaviors and question and all of us 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: kind of questioning what's going on with him, only for 49 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: that to be the reveal. 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that could have been great, and then saved the 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: Jack part for the second episode about Yeah our dad. 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: That was a great reveal. 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: It's all seen. 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: Give me a scene Jack and Sean alone having that confrontation. 55 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 6: Great. 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Let's get into some of our clips here. This first 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: one is from a listener named Sinatra. 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 7: Hi, guys, this is Sinatra. I'm so glad you guys 59 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 7: are finally at this episode. This episode of boy Mes 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 7: World is one of the many nineties that shape the 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 7: person I turned out to be. I mean, between the 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 7: episode of Saved by the Bell with Jesse taking the 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 7: caffeine pills, which had me staying away from drugs including 64 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 7: caffeine all the way through college, to the after school 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 7: specials and TV movies like One with Ben Savage that 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 7: taught me about domestic violence, this is one of those 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 7: episodes that just really stuck with me and helped me 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 7: make my college decisions. I wasn't touching alcohol to save 69 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 7: my life even after I turned twenty one. I was 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 7: scared to death. 71 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 6: Man. 72 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 7: Now that I'm an adult and I actually have experienced 73 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 7: in life, Yeah, I've realized that the show went overboard, 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 7: and I learned that alcohol can be consumer responsibly, but 75 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 7: for the longest time, I was scared to even go 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 7: near it. So if it's a one or two kids' lies, 77 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 7: I guess they did what they were supposed to do. 78 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: Wow, yep, there to go interesting. 79 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 5: I am still very shocked by the idea that she 80 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 5: made it through college without caffeine. 81 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: Well, you know, Mormons don't ever touch caffeine. 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: I am sure. 83 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: I haven't held caffeine in like twenty years. 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: But still I call it seems like the time for caffeine. 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 8: Man. 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a caffeine over alcohol. I mean, I didn't 87 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: even really drink until college, but even I gave in. 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean. But that's what TV can do, 89 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: especially when you're young, or it does the opposite. And 90 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: I started smoking because of different So yeah. 91 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Well let's get into Melanie. She has some thoughts on 92 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: special episodes in general. 93 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 9: Hi, Pop Meets World. 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: My name is Melanie. 95 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 9: I grew up watching Girl metz World, and I was 96 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 9: able to watch Boy Meets World on Disney Plus and 97 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 9: I'm a sophomore in college and all throughout high school 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 9: I was judged for not wanting to partake in Andrea's drinking. 99 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 9: And it's become such a normalized thing. And it makes 100 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 9: me wonder if Disney Channel shows that I grew up with, 101 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 9: like Austin and Ali and live in Maddie, like, if 102 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 9: they had topics talked about like this, if Gendi's behavior 103 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 9: would have been slightly different today. So yeah, but thank 104 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 9: you for having this podcast, and I really enjoy your show. 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 9: Thank you so much. 106 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: Well that I mean, Danielle, this is your world a 107 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: little bit and righter too with the directing growing's world. 108 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: But Danielle, with all the work you do at Disney Channel, 109 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: do they not do very special episodes anymore? Is that 110 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: not a thing? 111 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: Not really? 112 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: No, man, that's the perfect. 113 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: Place to do them. 114 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 10: See. 115 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I think this goes back to something that 116 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 4: we've talked about before, which is like network television inevitably required, 117 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: Like it brought about a sense of responsibility because you 118 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: were airing to try to the widest possible audience, right 119 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: like you're casting the widest net, so if you account 120 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: for that net, so when you're not when you're isolating 121 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: just like oh, you know, Disney Channel, for instance, is 122 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: like a very specific demographic, right like six to thirteen 123 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: or whatever, and like those people, you might not feel 124 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: like you just want to entertain those people that target audience, 125 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: so you don't have this like level of responsibility to 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 4: like turn them. You might turn them off with a 127 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: dramatic episode, right, they'll turn their TV off. They'll be 128 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: like why, Whereas like if they're kind of compelled to 129 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: watch it because it's a family audio, a family show 130 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: that's targeted to the entire family, they're going to watch it, 131 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: like figure, that's. 132 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: Your perfect audience to do that, to do the don't 133 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: sniff glue, don't take drugs, don't I mean, they. 134 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 5: Do have episodes that are that could be considered like 135 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 5: very special, although they're not necessarily as heavy handed as 136 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 5: some of our very special episodes, but they're more about 137 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: I think in trying to let's not add to the 138 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: laundry list of episodes about drugs and drinking, there may 139 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 5: be about more modern. 140 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: Day problems tweens and teens. 141 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 5: Face, so that would be social on social media, or 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 5: things like blended family situations and drama, or racism, micro 143 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 5: aggressions in blended families, or you know, like autism. There's there, 144 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: so they there's like maybe topics that weren't as widely 145 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 5: discussed back then. That now they will do an episode 146 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: about and I think it's probably because they're like, well, 147 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 5: do we need to see another let's not do drugs. 148 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 5: You know, the nineties was so all about just say 149 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 5: no and dare It was so big for our time. 150 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: But I don't know, like I could see them doing 151 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: like don't vape, like like you know, something like that 152 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: could be super important for a Disney Channel show kind 153 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: of thing, but I don't know if they'd even want 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: to show that on the channel. 155 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 156 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, also like the Save by the bellopisode where they 157 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: go to that Hollywood party and are asked to smoke weed, 158 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: Now it would be it would be legal. 159 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: Wait, there's a Save by the developisode where they go 160 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: to a Hollywood party and they're asked to smoke. 161 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Why does it have to be Hollywood. 162 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: They can't have a party at their own school where 163 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: somebody has the smoke weed. 164 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: They've got to go to big bits at Hollywood smoke pot. 165 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: Oh my business, celebrity, Well, we love an international memo. 166 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Here is Julia from the Czech Republic and she has thoughts. 167 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 11: It's Julia Ruth coming to you from Prague, Czech Republic, 168 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 11: where I have lived for the past six years, meaning 169 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 11: the only people I have to discuss this television show 170 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 11: with is you. The thing that bumps me the most, 171 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 11: besides sit on Corey's lap, which is completely inappropriate, the 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 11: push in Evangela completely inappropriate, no consequences is the turn 173 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 11: that Alan does. He comes at Sean then just immediately 174 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 11: has this new level of maturity and apologizes in a 175 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 11: scene that actually works, which is a testament to Rusky. 176 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 11: It works, but it's always just how can you go 177 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 11: from these extremes. Maybe it's a testament to that they 178 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 11: made the twenty you know, two minutes work, But come on, Alan, 179 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 11: get your shiz together. 180 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: Thank huh, thank you, thank you. 181 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 5: You know it's funny is that it didn't really it 182 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 5: didn't really bump me that that he made that turn, 183 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 5: because I have, certainly, as a parent, made a turn 184 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 5: that quickly where I have assumed something happened with one 185 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 5: of my kids and have reacted very harshly like like 186 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 5: I know what happened, only then to be proven wrong 187 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 5: and then to very quickly immediately go into I am 188 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 5: very sorry. 189 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: I was wrong. 190 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 5: I should not have made that assumption. Thank you for 191 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 5: telling me the truth. I hope you can forgive me, 192 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: like you kind of when you screw up, you should 193 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 5: be able to on a dime say I screwed up. 194 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: But also doesn't Amy pull him into the other room. 195 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 4: She pulls him out of the kitchen. 196 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: The first time she does. Second time, I think he 197 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: comes about. 198 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: The second time it comes out, but he's upset. She 199 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: pulls into the other room. We don't get to see 200 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 4: that conversation. Yeah, we only have twenty two minutes and 201 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: we're trying to wrap this up in eight at this point. 202 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: And then yeah, the next time that Sean comes over, 203 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: but I think presumably they had like, you know, more 204 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: conversations and he had time. I don't know that didn't 205 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: really Again, like I think we're just dealing with not 206 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: enough time, Like it should have been a tall episode 207 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 4: that whole. 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also love it's also kind of works 209 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: for Alan. Alan, could you know, you get they've set 210 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: it up that he was Sean back in the day. 211 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: Maybe he was a little bit of a hothead. He 212 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: was a boxer in the navy. So the idea that 213 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: he like snaps and then takes a minute to like, okay, 214 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: wait a minute, that wasn't good, and then brings it back. 215 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: I think kind of works for the character. 216 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to say that. I'm happy to say 217 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: that because Roxanne agrees with you. 218 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 12: Here she is Hi, Danielle Ryder and Will. My name 219 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 12: is rox Sayne. I'm calling from Minnesota. I wanted to 220 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 12: share my thoughts on this special episode and give you 221 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 12: guys a different perspective. I come from a Mexican family. 222 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 12: I'm first generation, so my parents are very strict, so 223 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 12: strict that I'm thirty five years old, married, a mother 224 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 12: of two, and I have a tattoo that they don't 225 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 12: know about because I'm. 226 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Too scared to tell them. 227 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 12: Anyway, growing up, these special episodes were always my favorite, 228 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 12: specifically because of Alan and his parenting. 229 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: When he yells at the boys. 230 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 12: And then can turn around and apologize and make sure 231 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 12: that Sean hears him, like, no, you need to understand 232 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 12: that I was wrong. Those always stood out to me. 233 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 12: There's another episode coming up where Sean is drinking and 234 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 12: ask Alan to yell at him the way that he 235 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 12: yells at the boys. I just remember feeling. 236 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: Like, oh, I just wish my dad was like that. 237 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 12: Anyway, I love you guys so much. I love the 238 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 12: pod thank you for all you do. 239 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: Wow, was just so nice to hear. Yeah, I mean, 240 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: I think it's something we noticed, you know, season one 241 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: watching the show. It's like, isn't the parents are so 242 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: interesting to dynamic characters and they're like obviously very good parents, 243 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: like that's the president, but it's nuanced good parenting. It's 244 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: not just you know, it's not just father knows best, right, 245 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: it's father father needs to figure out how to know 246 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: best and in the course of storytelling, becomes a great father. 247 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: Like I totally couldn't agree more. You know, we've talked 248 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: at nauseam. I wish I wish Amy got the same 249 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: you know, amount of space to be as dynamic of 250 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: a character. But I think in general, Boy Meets World 251 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: really thrives on the adult characters being you know, great, 252 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: great role models. 253 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: While we're talking about characters, let's go to Kim uh 254 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: Sean is up some for some notes. 255 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 13: Hey guys, my name is Kim. I'm from Tampa, Florida. 256 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 13: I just want to say I love the podcast. I 257 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 13: listen to it every week. You three are hilarious and 258 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 13: I've been a fan of Boy Me Swirls since I was. 259 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 14: A year old. 260 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 13: I'm thirty three right now. So with this particular episode, 261 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 13: I don't believe it should have been banned by Disney 262 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 13: Channel because it really teaches the dangers of underage drinking. 263 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 13: But however, my main concern is with Sean. First of all, 264 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 13: the way he gets heavily influenced by these dangerous is 265 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 13: very concerning. First he was getting Corey out of that 266 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 13: mob for Christmas, and then he himself started working for 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 13: the mob. And then also Sean walks into a colt 268 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 13: knowing it was a colt, then joins the coke later. 269 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 13: I mean, I'm just saying, if Course just starts smoking 270 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 13: crack and then Sean tries to get him the cup, 271 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 13: is going to start smoking it himself. He's gonna be 272 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 13: coming in, busting, coming out. 273 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: Like this is the five o'clock free crack giveaway. 274 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: So that's my thoughts. 275 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 13: Lovey guys, Thank you. 276 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: Also pulling up to join our podcast anytime. 277 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: That is true? Yeah, true, I didn't realize the pattern. 278 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: There's always like Corey like dips his toes in and Sean. 279 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 12: Just jumped. 280 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: The bullet. Oh well, let's let's listen to Lauren. 281 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: Now, Hey, guys, my name is Lauren. 282 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 15: I am from Napa, California, and I have to tell 283 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 15: you this episode is what inspired my sobriety. 284 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: No, just kidding, That's not true at all. 285 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 15: Because apparent I appreciate the heaviness of Alan Matthew's disappointment 286 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 15: for sure and the lessons, but I thought it was 287 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 15: completely overshadowed by the hilarity that is Sean and Corey 288 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 15: outside that liquor store talking about our manga. 289 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 290 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 15: This is one of my top episodes. Love the show, 291 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 15: love the pod. 292 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: Wish it could go on forever. Bye. 293 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: That's so funny. 294 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the oar manga stuff, it's funny. 295 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 5: I have thought about it a couple of times since 296 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: we did the episode. 297 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: That's a really kind of It was. 298 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 5: An underrated moment between the two of them where. 299 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: He's like, I don't remember what he says our manga, 300 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: no my name. 301 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a pretty It's a pretty underrated joke for 302 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: I think this was too drunk. 303 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: That was post Capoetta spin, wasn't it outside? 304 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: That was walking hand talking, just making sure, just walking. 305 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 5: You don't know, I think anything you do like that, 306 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 5: I go cabaletta. 307 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: I mean Actually, if you think about it, if they 308 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 4: had taken off the pressure, you know, Sean needed to 309 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: become a full blown alcoholic in the course of one episode, 310 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: that whole sequence of that night could have been two 311 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: more scenes of funny stuff and trouble, you know, like 312 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: more trouble, more complications. I mean, because we are we're 313 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: paying somebody to get us liquor keep getting into more. 314 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: You know, it could have been funny and yeah, I think, yeah, 315 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: the consequences could have been just as harsh. 316 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, while we're on the subject to some Seawan notes, 317 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I got more from Michael. 318 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 16: Hey, guys, Michael from Memoryville, California here, And I feel 319 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 16: this episode was indicative of the writers doing it as 320 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 16: service to Sewan on a more consistent basis for the 321 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 16: remainder of the show's run. This may have been a 322 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 16: very special episode, but this plants the seed of the 323 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 16: idea that Shawn is Corey's very special friend whom he 324 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 16: goes on to treat as a project to fix on 325 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 16: the grounds that he knows what's best for Shawn better 326 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 16: than Shawn does. This feels like such a flanderization of 327 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 16: Shawn's character. Following how strong the writing was for him 328 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 16: in previous seasons, as more light was shown on his 329 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 16: complex nature and his relationships with his parents and mister Turner. 330 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 16: On a similar note, I understand that Blake Clark wasn't 331 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 16: a series regular, but the fact that we have zero 332 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 16: context on whether Chet had any sort of presence off 333 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 16: screen after Sean moves in with Jack doesn't do justice 334 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 16: to the Hunter family dynamic either. I get that he 335 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 16: was trying to be a good dad by bringing his 336 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 16: sons together, but are we left to assume that sometime 337 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 16: in the six months since they've lived together, Chet has 338 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 16: just again left town to do his Chet thing. If so, 339 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 16: then that's kind of a jerk move to leaf his 340 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 16: sons to deal with the generational trauma of his alcoholism 341 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 16: by themselves. Or he is still in town and they 342 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 16: don't bring him into the proceedings, which is just as weird. 343 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: Wow, it's great, great notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just 344 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 4: thinking about like all those those moments that you know 345 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: where Corey, like in previous season one, right where Corey 346 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 4: is dealing with Shawn's Christmas the fact that Sean doesn't 347 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: have Christmas gifts or whatever it was, like Corey did, 348 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: like he tried to fix it the wrong way if 349 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 4: I remember correctly, you know, like Corey was making mistakes 350 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: and was wrong in a lot of their dynamics too. 351 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: He didn't respect that Shawn was his own like individual, 352 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: and that was part of the episode. And yet he's right. 353 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: I think as the seasons go on, Shawn is just 354 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: always needs Corey's you know, constant. 355 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: Right, just Sean with go with going into college, where 356 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: he's like, you're not, you're doing this wrong. I'm going 357 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: to get you into college whatever I have to. You know, 358 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: we just saw it, so. 359 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: Sewn has kind of like damaged goods from here on out, 360 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 4: which is kind of a bummer, like for anybody to, 361 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 4: you know, for our show to just fall into that pattern. 362 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: He's a drunken cracksmoker. I mean, what do you expect 363 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: at this point? 364 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 9: My god. 365 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 5: It also does mirror very much what happened in Girl 366 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: Meets World, where Riley became the sort of let me 367 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 5: fix my friend Maya. 368 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: My friend Maya is. 369 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 5: A is a lost soul and she needs my guidance 370 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 5: in every aspect. 371 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: Otherwise who knows where Sheryl She'll end up. 372 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: Yes, he used a term that I had to look 373 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: up at flanderization. He has ever heard that before? 374 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: Yes, it's turning you into Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. 375 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah that Ned went from a friendly and good hearted 376 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: neighbor into a dogmatic, evangelistical Bible thumper. 377 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: I was kidding that that's what That's what I. 378 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: Was totally fictional characters essential traits are oversimplified to the 379 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: point that they can't suit the entire personality. 380 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: Yep, Wow, it's a great way to put it. 381 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 16: Yeah. 382 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph has some other thoughts on this episode. He's 383 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: turned it into a game. 384 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 9: Yeah. 385 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 10: First time I saw this episode that was probably like eleven, 386 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 10: and it was super funny and I really liked it. 387 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 10: But then later on in college we used to play 388 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 10: drinking games based off of this actual episode. Sean or 389 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 10: Corey took a swig. It was a swag for everybody. 390 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 10: So it was a very fun episode. But at the 391 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 10: end of the day, it was kind of a wrong 392 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 10: as you love to say, you. 393 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: Think that was what they were going in the should 394 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: have been category band. 395 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 3: Category, everybody take a shot if you think it should 396 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: have been banned. 397 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: I remember I was told multiple times, like later in life, 398 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: that that that there were college gatherings of getting stoned 399 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: and watching Borms, So like that was big. 400 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: That was a big thing in the on Friday. 401 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 3: Did I misremember this? Did somebody at one point? And 402 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: this could be like the prisoners in the audience, which 403 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: I still think I'm right about, But this could be 404 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: one of those things. Did somebody once tell us that 405 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers used to watch our show before 406 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: a game? So that's why it could be wrong. But 407 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 3: I would distinctly remember somebody telling us that, like, oh, dude, 408 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: the Packers watch your game, like watch your show in 409 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: the locker room before a game or something like that. 410 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Brett fav if you're listening, Brett Favor, if you're listening, 411 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: let us go that was real. Danielle is someone who 412 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: also sent a voice memo. She might have already heard 413 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: the drinking game story, so let's see what she thinks 414 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: about banning the show. 415 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 17: Hey, my Boy Meets World Besties. I wanted to give 416 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 17: you my opinion as a parent on the Disney Channel's 417 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 17: decision to ban the episode. I will say that I 418 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 17: have a seven year old and she recently completed Red 419 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 17: Ribbon at school, which for us ninies kids is basically 420 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 17: dare and she thinks drugs are bad. Alcohol is bad awesome, 421 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 17: but she was also very proud to let us know 422 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 17: that when she is twenty one, she will be allowed 423 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 17: to drink drugs. So the message is kinda close, but 424 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 17: close only counts and hand shoes and horse grenades. So yeah, 425 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 17: it might not be the best episode for some of 426 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 17: the younger audience. Love y'all bye, what kind of drug? 427 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: Doesn't drinking or drugs? I hope she doesn't do that? 428 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: A funny one, you know, man? 429 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 430 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 3: Well again, I also, I don't know what the demographic 431 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: exactly was of our show, but eight thirty Friday nights, 432 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: you probably wouldn't figure it's for seven year olds. But again, 433 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: this is why it's different on Disney Channel, that is 434 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: on ABC. The Disney Channel can aired an three o'clock 435 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: in the afternoon, and you know, maybe if you are seven, 436 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: maybe it. 437 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: Is Saturday Morning cartoon. 438 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean give the Saturday Morning Cartoons is 439 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: a perfect example because Gi Joe always ended with a message, 440 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: and it was always the most red Hey, Billy, there's 441 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: a down power line, let's go jump it. Don't do that, Billy, 442 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: don't do that, And it was always don't do drugs, 443 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: don't smoke, So I mean they were doing. 444 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: Stuff geared towards little little kids. 445 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: But maybe this would have been a little too much. 446 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. While we're talking about syndication, I do 447 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: want to say that if anyone works for Freeform, send 448 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: us an email if you're like involved in the idea 449 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: that the rewatch is now synchronized with their syndication schedule. 450 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: Wait, what's happening. 451 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Yes, so recently we've been getting a lot of emails 452 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: from people saying, Hey, you know it's weird. Your recap 453 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: aired the same week that Freeform aired that episode. There 454 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: is some sort of synchronizing between Freeform and what's been 455 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: going on in the podcast. 456 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 5: Thank you producer Tara, who just said I have a 457 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 5: friend a free Form all ask. 458 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been getting a lot of emails. Huh uh. 459 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: While we wait for that, we will hear from Jason. 460 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: He has a hot take. 461 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: Hi, this is Jason from Pittsburgh. I have a hot 462 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 6: take for this episode. The writers copped out a bit 463 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 6: by going the obvious route and having bad boy Sean 464 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 6: be the alcoholic. If they made it Corey instead, this 465 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 6: out of character move could have really raised the stakes. 466 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 6: Sean could have tried to relate to Corey through exposition 467 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 6: about Chet that we didn't know, and Corey and Tapega 468 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 6: could have had some genuinely meaningful conversations that she tried 469 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 6: to get through to him, giving each relationship and character 470 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 6: more layers. I know, the network couldn't make Corey quote 471 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 6: unquote bad, but the message that alcohol can be dangerous 472 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 6: to anyone is pretty important. And yes, it really is 473 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 6: a long walk to Pittsburgh. 474 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: At you got a lot of voice memos that said that, 475 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: a ton of voice memos. Yeah, it's a. 476 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 4: Really good point because actually, Corey, I mean, he is 477 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 4: being bad by drinking in the first place. So it's 478 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: like we've already allowed the character to experiment with alcohol, 479 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 4: why not have him people want to have the problem, 480 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: especially considering he's the one that current, but he also 481 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 4: has the current depression or the current you know that 482 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: he was drinking for a reason. In a lot of ways, 483 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: the show leans on this idea of you know, inherited 484 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: alcoholism and like sort of just makes it about that 485 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: as opposed to you know, yeah, the potential big like 486 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: maybe a potential more powerful message which is oh yeah, 487 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: to anybody if you. 488 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 3: Just reversal too of having Sean now trying to quote 489 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: unquote fix court Corey because of everything he's been through 490 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: and when his family had been through. And it's right 491 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: if if Corey would think of the scene of Corey 492 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: walks in and there's Jack and Sean both standing there 493 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 3: and they're like, we talk, Yeah, it also. 494 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 5: Would have been it would have made more sense for 495 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 5: Corey than to really be hiding his drinking as opposed 496 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 5: to like Sean's beer was just in the fridge, and 497 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 5: so how did how did Jack not see that? 498 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: How did Eric not see that? Like he just walks in. 499 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 5: And grabs a beer in the middle of the day 500 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 5: from the fridge, whereas if Corey had it under his 501 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: bed and was you know, and Sean joined him for 502 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 5: a night, had a great time and was then like whoa, whoa, whoa. 503 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 5: I drink with you one night, but I haven't touched 504 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 5: it since and you've kept doing it. It's a really 505 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 5: good point. 506 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: Let's stay on these heavy topics with Alison. 507 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 14: Okay, so I love Boy Meets World. It's my one 508 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 14: of my favorite shows. But the moment when Sean pushed Angela, 509 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 14: I hated it. I hated it so much. I think 510 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 14: they sent this message that he pushed her because he 511 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 14: had been drinking, and I think that's very harmful for 512 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 14: young girls to see, Oh, my boyfriend only hit me 513 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 14: because he got too drunk. But I don't care if 514 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 14: you're sober. If you're drunk, it's never okay to put 515 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 14: your hands on your partner. When that happened, that relationship 516 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 14: should have been done or they should have handled handled 517 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 14: it a different way. 518 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: Wow wow, Yeah, I mean there is the implication that 519 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 4: I'm talking to a counselor at the end of the episode, 520 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: right yeah. They don't specify. They just say, like, I'm 521 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 4: talking to a guy, and you know, but you're right, 522 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: it would have been so much more. It's like, there's 523 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 4: the drinking issue, but then there's also the anger and 524 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 4: abuse going on that seems like maybe should be dealt 525 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 4: with separately or considered separately. That's a really good point. 526 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: Is there ever another point in the series that Sean 527 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: exhibits kind of outbursts or anything really never happens again? 528 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Right, Well, we did get a lot of voice memos 529 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: that say he drinks again. 530 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: So yeah, I do get drunk again. But you know, 531 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 4: I remember the beginning of this episode where I just 532 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: pushed the guy in the locker. 533 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 5: And that seemed like they were trying to minimize what 534 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: happens later, like oh, he's just a yeah, he's just 535 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 5: a point. 536 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: That's to her point, which is that it actually shows 537 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: that a pattern that sean regardless of drinking, already thrown 538 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: people around or thinks it's fine to just you know. 539 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's she has a really good point too that, 540 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 5: like it really is okay and truthfully a really preferable 541 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 5: thing to say. I have some deal breakers and relationships, 542 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: and one of those deal breakers should be if a 543 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: partner is willing to get physical with me, if a 544 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 5: partner is willing to push me or hit me, And 545 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 5: regardless of whether or not there's a quote unquote excuse 546 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: like alcohol, the fact that you were ever able to 547 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 5: do that is a deal breaker for me. And if 548 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 5: it happens, I'm just going to walk away. The fact 549 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: that they didn't even address it, it was just like 550 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 5: the next time you saw her, you said, gay, I 551 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 5: guess what, I'm never going to drink again, and she 552 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 5: was like, cool, right, yeah, that that probably never I 553 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 5: did not even think about it in that way of 554 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 5: like what kind of message that tells young girls. 555 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: It's also could have been completely in keeping with Trina's 556 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: character too, with Angela to you know, Sean saying Hey, 557 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to somebody, and she's like, that's great, 558 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: We're good, and then she turns around them and she's like, 559 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: but if you ever put your hands on the right yea, 560 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 3: Like something like that could have been very powerful as well. 561 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's interesting. 562 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: Let's listen to Ella. 563 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 18: Hi everyone, my name is Ella and I live in 564 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 18: New York City, where I work as a canter on 565 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 18: Long Island. I really appreciated what Ryders said about this 566 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 18: episode being flawed because it's more about ideas than a 567 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 18: fully developed story. But that's actually why it resonated with 568 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 18: me so deeply. 569 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: As a kid. 570 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 18: As Danielle, I love all I'm talking about you guys 571 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 18: like I know you anyway. As Danielle has mentioned on 572 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 18: the pod, there's nothing tweets want more than to feel 573 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 18: like grown ups, and this episode gave us a glimpse 574 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 18: into a world that was often off limits. She was 575 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 18: like alcoholism and physical abuse that were typically reserved for 576 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 18: films and TV shows for grown ups, but in this episode, 577 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 18: it felt like we were finally being let in on 578 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 18: those conversations. I felt the same way about the iconic 579 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 18: Kiss and a Long Walk to Pittsburgh. Finally, a rom 580 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 18: com made for me, not for my parents. 581 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: That's coo wow, that's a cool way to look at 582 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 3: it too. A rom com made for kids. That's an 583 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 3: interesting way to look at that episode. I've never really. 584 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: World is kind of that a lot. 585 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's almost but it's almost different genres for 586 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: kids a lot. We did the horror episode that was 587 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: more for kids. We did now the drinking episode that's 588 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: more for kids. Slapstick, yeah they really. We really have 589 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: kind of hit all the different genres. Yeah. 590 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: That interesting. Well, we hit a lot of different voice memos. 591 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: So this is our final one. This is from Melissa 592 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: with the last word on the drinking episode. 593 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 8: Hi, my name is Melissa from Rhode Island, Connecticuts often 594 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 8: forgot about neighbor. I'm going to try to make this 595 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 8: quick because there's a lot to unpack. I'm thirty five 596 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 8: years old and I remember watching this episode when it 597 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 8: first aired, although I've probably watched it several times in 598 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 8: syndication before it got banned. I believe when this show 599 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 8: first aired was probably around the same time I was 600 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 8: discovering that my own father had a drinking issue. Luckily, 601 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 8: it never escalated to the point of violence, and I'm 602 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 8: proud to say that he sobered up my sophomore year 603 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 8: of high school. 604 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: It has been sober ever since. 605 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 8: But when I was just rewatching this episode recently with 606 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 8: my husband, during Jack's speech to Sean about how addiction 607 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 8: runs in the family and is dangerous, my husband turned 608 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 8: to me in shock because that speech is almost exactly 609 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 8: verbatim what I have used to defend my sober lifestyle 610 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 8: all through high school and college. So could the episode 611 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 8: have been done better, probably, But did it get its 612 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 8: point across? Absolutely because something I heard on a show 613 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 8: I watched as a kid stuck with me apparently my 614 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 8: entire life. Love the show, Love the pod. 615 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: Keep doing what you're doing. Thank you. 616 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: That's great. 617 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: That's so great. 618 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 5: It just goes to show you that, like, no matter 619 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 5: what kinds of criticisms or critiques or whatever we have, 620 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 5: depending on which lens you look at it from and 621 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 5: how old you are and what your life experiences are, 622 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 5: it can impact people in so many different ways, and 623 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 5: like even just knowing that just for her alone, it 624 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 5: made such an impact on her life for the better. 625 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: It just makes you go worth it, worth it. 626 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 5: Even if even if fifty or sixty percent of the 627 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 5: people go this doesn't resonate with me, which I don't 628 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 5: think is even actually the case, But even if they 629 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 5: don't like the episode and whatever, there are some who 630 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 5: it will make a difference for. And it's it's such 631 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 5: a great message about the power of television and what 632 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 5: we do. 633 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 4: I think what I think the question comes down to, 634 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: you know, is this, would we rather this episode existed 635 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: even with all its flaws than not at all? And 636 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: the answer is yeah, I definitely think that. I think 637 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: The Boy Meets World is awesome for tackling something like this, 638 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 4: you know, and even and it's sort of you know, 639 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 4: we have our nitpicks, but I'm you know, I'm proud 640 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: of like, okay, but we had to show that. 641 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: This original question of this episode though, do you do 642 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: you either of you think this should have been banned 643 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: from Disney Channel. 644 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I mean, you know, I'm 645 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 4: a firm believer the kids should be exposed to like 646 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 4: a lot like I'm not agree on that. Yeah, I agree. 647 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 5: I think the pros of the episode drastically outweigh the 648 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 5: potential cons. 649 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: I agree. 650 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. 651 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: Well, as always, we want to thank all of the 652 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Pod meets World listeners for sending in their voice memos. 653 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: Will continue to do these every once in a while 654 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: as a bonus, but as always, the response is massive 655 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: and the show obviously affects many many people, not just 656 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: the Boy Meets World show, but the podcast. 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