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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 1: today we're bringing you some of your listener mail. We

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Speaker 1: haven't done this in quite a while, so we had

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Speaker 1: an enormous mail bag to plow through. Uh And on

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Speaker 1: top of that, I have to say, I don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened, but I think we have lost a

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Speaker 1: significant amount of listener mail that came in in September

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Speaker 1: and October. And I don't I don't know exactly why

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Speaker 1: that happened, but there's sort of a gap in there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize if if your message you were hoping

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Speaker 1: to hear is among that group. But uh, but we've

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Speaker 1: still got a lot of great stuff to get to today. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to ask Carnie our mail about about this.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I feel like we all have

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Speaker 1: some some missing time from September and October, you know,

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Speaker 1: some some some blank spots in our recollection. Where did

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Speaker 1: that time go? What happened? It's like the part of

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Speaker 1: now another thing that that we're going to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and mention about this listener Mail is that, in some respects,

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Speaker 1: this is the final listener Mail, or at least this

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Speaker 1: is probably going to be the final full length listener

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Speaker 1: Mail episode that publishes as an episode, a regular episode

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Speaker 1: That's right, Because we are gradually, as we can, transitioning

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Speaker 1: out some shorter episodes that come through on various days.

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Speaker 1: But one idea we've been kicking around is basically a

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Speaker 1: weekly episode that we've been sort of tentatively calling the

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Speaker 1: Flaming Barrel Chats, and these will quite often be listener

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Speaker 1: mail focused. Yeah. So yeah, just to reassure everyone, you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get six episodes, like six full episodes

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Speaker 1: be in two core episodes. It's gonna be the Vault episode,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Weird House Cinema on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: overwhelm anybody. But as always, right in and let you

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Speaker 1: into the bag. All right, let's do it. What do

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Speaker 1: we have first, Joe, Well, we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: great feedback to our episode. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: couple of episodes about nails, fingernails and toenails. We got

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Speaker 1: into some surprisingly religious territory, including that one really interesting

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Speaker 1: paper that was trying to explain the prevalence of religious

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Speaker 1: rituals about the proper disposal of nails, and the explanation

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Speaker 1: in this paper appealed to people trying to re enact

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Speaker 1: extremely ancient, reconstructed creation myths in which the earth is

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Speaker 1: made out of the body parts of a dead primordial god.

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Speaker 1: And we we got a number of messages on the

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Speaker 1: theme of of nails and religious traditions, and this first

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Speaker 1: one comes from Alice. Are you ready, Let's do it,

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Speaker 1: Alice says Hi, Joe and Robert, thanks for the two

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Speaker 1: part around fingernails. Love. When you guys take a seemingly

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Speaker 1: many different angles. I emailed today because when you were

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Speaker 1: discussing fingernails in creation myths, when instantly came to mind

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Speaker 1: legend from Maori culture about Maui and his grandmother Mahuika,

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Speaker 1: the goddess of fire. In the story, Maui wonders where

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Speaker 1: Now here's where we get back to fingernails. His grandmother

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Speaker 1: of fire on Mahuika's hand. There are some gorgeous depictions

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Speaker 1: thanks Alice. I did not know that. Myth I thought

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of magical fingernails as a as

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Speaker 1: you can literally count on your your your fingers how

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Speaker 1: fingernails Now. We got a couple of messages from listeners

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Speaker 1: who were who had ideas about fingernails from various athletic perspectives,

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Speaker 1: these were really interesting. Rob you want to read one

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Speaker 1: of these? Sure? This one comes to us from Hannah, Hi, Robert,

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Speaker 1: and Joe. I just finished listening to your pair of

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Speaker 1: fingernail episodes and wanted to write in with not one,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with toenails, since I whom it is a

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Speaker 1: And of course you see uh, these various spinning athletics

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Speaker 1: something we could come back and discuss in the future, actually,

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Speaker 1: we should do an episode on spinning around in circles

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Speaker 1: the centrifugal. Yeah, let's do it. Let's let's let's bookmark it.

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Speaker 1: But let let's get back to Hannah here. Oh yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I was reading an email, wasn't I. Let's say, um,

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Speaker 1: length of your toe nails, and it is extremely important

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Speaker 1: I'm shivering. Less directly related, the pain and discomfort of

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Speaker 1: though partly an aesthetic preference. Aligning the joints like so

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Speaker 1: such injuries can be career ending, every bit of prevention

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Speaker 1: counts this. This part of this email has been a

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Speaker 1: horror movie for me. Yeah, you don't even need the

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Speaker 1: rest the Suspiria, right. My second example is a little

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Speaker 1: shorter in Quarantine. My partner has been teaching me to

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Speaker 1: Though nothing extreme, and though they had never hindered me before,

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Speaker 1: Then I thought of Dolly Parton. She has much longer,

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Speaker 1: she do? After some googling, I found that she seems

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Speaker 1: to rely on open tuning. And what does this bar chords?

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Speaker 1: You hear the guitar person. Yeah, bar chords are a

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Speaker 1: bar chords um allow you to sort of like play

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Speaker 1: a major chord with no strings pressed, and you lay

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Speaker 1: one finger across to bar different major chords. This works

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Speaker 1: can't play. We'll see how it works for me. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: this email ended up ended up a lot little longer

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Speaker 1: than I intended. I get super excited to spout off

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Speaker 1: about our freaky alien bodies. Side note, would love some

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Speaker 1: sort of an episode someday about body specialization in humans,

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Speaker 1: especially with athletes. Ever seen a picture of different athletes

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Speaker 1: It's crazy that performance optimization can look so different. I

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Speaker 1: love the show so much and hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for what you do. Oh thanks, Hannah, and

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Speaker 1: I'd say, Carolina, this is a very thought provoking email.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, there's a there's a lot

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Speaker 1: me question where I've gone wrong as a parent. Queue

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Speaker 1: some horrified laughter. I've seen a lot of fingernail biting.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen toenail biting, but that seems much more

428
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Speaker 1: doable for a kid who's more flexible. I guess, oh yeah,

429
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: these kids are crazy flexible. Um, the the the loose

430
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: teeth thing is certainly can be a little wiggy because

431
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: they have. They'll come up to you and there's like

432
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Speaker 1: a tooth flapping. They're like, they're like, help me rip

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Speaker 1: this out, you know, because there's this they want the

434
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Speaker 1: teeth gone. They they there's something about like they want

435
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's the tooth fairy idea on one hand

436
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: that you know they'll they'll be able to trade this

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Speaker 1: for money with some sort of other worldly spirit, but

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00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: also just the idea of of like other kids are

439
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: losing their teeth, I want to lose some of my

440
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: teeth too. And you tell them, like, we don't mess

441
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: with it. It It will come out on its own. It's

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00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: it's leaving your head. You don't need to accentuate it

443
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: because you're just gonna get blood everywhere. And of course

444
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: they end up wiggling and until it comes out and

445
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: there's blood and it's a whole scene anyway. But Bettany continues,

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00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: I would be interested to know if there's some connection

447
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: between nails and teeth. I know that when my nails

448
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: get snagged or scraped or something like a violin string

449
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: or rigged rigid hard surface like concrete, or would my

450
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: teeth almost hurt compounded with my reaction to the kid's

451
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Speaker 1: teeth and nails. Just something else to think about. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's enough fingernail talk for you. Thanks for

453
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 1: your podcast that keeps me occupied, whether I'm sitting at

454
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: my desk at work at a public library that's currently open,

455
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: or doing laundry at home. I've been inspired to start

456
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings reread rewatch this fall, and

457
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: to rekindle my love of Queen by listening to I'm

458
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: in Love with My Car on repeat after your Vault episode.

459
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Our cars, our bodies, our minds, keep up the great conversations.

460
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm in Love with My Car is one of my

461
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: favorite just absolutely stupid rock anthems. It is one of

462
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the dumbest songs ever written, and it's really good. Gotta

463
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: feel from my automobile. All right, Uh, I guess we're

464
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Speaker 1: done with nails for now. So this next message came

465
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Speaker 1: to us in response to our episode on Lins and

466
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Speaker 1: this is from Sophia. So Fia says, Hi, Robert and Joe.

467
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: I believe this is my third time writing to you.

468
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm an evolutionary biologist and I'd just like to point

469
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Speaker 1: out an inspiring thought related to the kinds of symbiosis

470
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Speaker 1: that we observe in Likens. Everything on Earth that photosynthesizes,

471
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Speaker 1: except for cyanobacteria, is a product of symbiosis. There is

472
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: always a photosynthetic component and a non photosynthetic component. This

473
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: appears to be such a go to strategy for many

474
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Speaker 1: organisms that I don't think we can even estimate how

475
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Speaker 1: many times this happened. All plants are a product of

476
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Speaker 1: ancient indosymbiosis. Um. That's mean intern like a symbiosis in

477
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: which one organism sort of swallows another or takes another inside.

478
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Speaker 1: Picking up between a prokaryotic photosynthetic organism now chloroplasts and

479
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: other plastids, and a proto you carry out. Moreover, some

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Speaker 1: kinds of algae have chloroplasts with one or two additional

481
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Speaker 1: membranes surrounding the existing two brains of primary plastids. These

482
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Speaker 1: extra membranes likely formed to due to secondary endosymbiosis. Roughly speaking,

483
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: a cell engulfed another cell, after which at some point

484
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: it was itself engulfed by another cell, et cetera, and

485
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Speaker 1: in some cases probably even tertiary endosymbioses. Likens seem to

486
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Speaker 1: be a more recent example of an In some ways

487
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: similar evolutionary strategy, but the components still maintain a high

488
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Speaker 1: level of independence. Now, if we look at the animal kingdom,

489
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Speaker 1: we also find something similar. In corals, there's a primary

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Speaker 1: animal component which strongly depends on its photosynthetic algal symbions.

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Speaker 1: If they're lost for an extended period of time due

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Speaker 1: to increased water temperatures coral bleaching, the corals die. So

493
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Speaker 1: in this case, at least, the animal already went far

494
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Speaker 1: enough down the evolutionary path in the direction of obligate

495
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Speaker 1: symbiosis being tied to this algal organism necessary to survive.

496
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating imagining what some photosynthetic life on

497
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: Earth might look like in millions of years. There might

498
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: very well be many different kinds of obligate symbiotic organisms

499
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Speaker 1: that would in many ways look and behave like modern plants,

500
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: but having very different life histories. Some of them may

501
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 1: have animal and algal origins, others fungal and bacterial or algal, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: As always, thanks for the great show. Can't wait for

503
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: more inspiring episodes, Sophia. Yeah, that is all really interesting,

504
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: so thank you for getting in touch, Sophia and I

505
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: I do love thinking about how the the I don't know,

506
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: the tree of life that we often imagine is not

507
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: just sort of like branches split off and then all

508
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Speaker 1: go their own way. There's there's actually a fair bit

509
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Speaker 1: of sort of re growing together of branches. And that's inspiring. Alright,

510
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: here's another one. This comes to us from John. This

511
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: also has to do with lin and and this this

512
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: is I really love this one. This is a great

513
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: little bit of listener mail. Hi, Robert and Joe. I've

514
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: been listening to stuff to Believe your Mind for years,

515
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: but have never felt I had a good reason to

516
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: write in until your most recent episode about LINS when

517
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Speaker 1: you mentioned the Lins of the Arctic article by James

518
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: Walton UM and this, by the way, this was published

519
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: UM on the National Park Service website. Lins of the

520
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Arctic by James Walton, National Park Service. Anyway, John continues here,

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00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: I did a double take at the time. I've been

522
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to do vegetation monitoring work with James at

523
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: the boreal forest of Lake Clark National Park in southwestern

524
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Alaska and can tell you that he really knows his flora.

525
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: When he walked along thirty transsects of moss undergrowth and

526
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: spruce trees. James would instantly an accurately idea the organisms

527
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: that we passed, including the numerous mosses and lins. Anyway,

528
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: it was fun to hear you mentioned him in the podcast.

529
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: If you're looking for episode ideas, how about one on

530
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: the salmon runs of the North Pacific. The early salmon

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Speaker 1: run is an important event for bears, commercial fisheries, and

532
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: um and anglers alike. It has unique economic, cultural, and

533
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: ecological significance for communities across the North Pacific, and is

534
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: threatened by climate change, poor fisheries management, and damn building.

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00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Worth a look best, John, Oh, that is a great

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00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: idea for an episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're I mean

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00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: it's it's certainly come up in research before. I don't

538
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: know if we've really mentioned it much on the show before,

539
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like a fact. There's a fascinating biological

540
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: story there. There's a story of humans interfering with it,

541
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: and then also some innovations that have been at least proposed,

542
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: if not implemented, to uh to help them out. Like

543
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I think there has been a salmon canon cannon, salmon

544
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: cannon that has been suggested at times to sort of

545
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: like launch them upward over dams and whatnot? Did first

546
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: say camon salmon, like out there camon salmon, salmon jam

547
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: and salmon cannon. Yes, um, so that that would make

548
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: for an interesting episode. And and and again I just

549
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: love the idea that you know, we this is just

550
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: a source I came across, and it's neat to hear

551
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: some of the human story behind the individual responsible for it. Yeah, wonderful.

552
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: So thanks for getting in touch. Okay, we got a

553
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: lot of responses to our episodes about mushroom foraging. Again, sorry,

554
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: we can't get to them all. We're picking out a

555
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: few here. One I just wanted to mention briefly was

556
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Thomas got in touch because in the mushroom foraging episodes

557
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: we ended up talking about whether it was safe to

558
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: drink milk produced by a goat who had who had

559
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: eaten a bunch of poison ivy, and Tom got in

560
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: touch to share an article by a North Carolina State

561
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: professor of Crop and Soil sciences named J. M. Lugan Boule,

562
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: and he writes this article that research shows that toxic

563
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: compounds from poison oak ivy and sumac are not passed

564
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: onto the milk of goats, so it should be safe.

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's potentially good news, but I'd still say,

566
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: I guess, please nobody go drink, you know, poison oak

567
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: goat milk because you heard it here. Do your own

568
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: research first, check it out. Yeah, And so this was

569
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: me that said that that threw that end really quickly,

570
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: just cut of an offhand, because I think I had

571
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: heard that at some point. I I researched it after

572
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: we received this email. And yeah, it does seem that

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00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: that it does right across a couple of studies, or

574
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: at least two studies referring to the same thing here,

575
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: that that you don't have to worry about poison um

576
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: ivy or poison oak, et cetera passing through to the milk.

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: But I also ran across an article that I can't

578
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: completely vouch for yet that I need to return to

579
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: about the idea of psychedelic goat milk, about psychedelic compounds

580
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: surviving and becoming part of goat milk. And perhaps I

581
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: think the author was arguing it could have played into

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00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: various traditions in the past. I don't know. Uh, don't

583
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: take my word on that one either. Uh, that one

584
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: requires more research. But I love the idea of magical

585
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: goats passing on their magical milk to early humans. It's

586
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: an insight from dairy farmer Farmer McKenna. He had some

587
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: great things to share on the subject. No, we should

588
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: come back to that. I want to learn more. Yeah,

589
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: thank so, let's see we We definitely have some more

590
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: mushroom um mail here. Like you said, we got a

591
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of it. We had to sort through it because

592
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: the thing about mushroom emails is that you know, some

593
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: of them look fine until you start reading them, and

594
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: then you know suddenly you can have a really dire

595
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: reaction to them. So you've gotta be choosy. Uh. Sometimes

596
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the good emails and the bad emails look remarkably alike.

597
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: So here's one of the good ones from Joseph. A

598
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: few thoughts on mushrooms. I couldn't believe you didn't bring

599
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: up Hobbits and the Hobbit metabolism episode, since they are

600
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: particularly fond of mushrooms. It is true Hobbits love mushrooms.

601
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Microphilick shy are yeah more doors microphobic? I would say,

602
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah? I think so. Yeah. I

603
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: guess it's hard to imagine mushrooms really thriving there. Yeah,

604
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: all right, Joseph continues, I have not been foraging, but

605
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: I have been attempting to grow mushrooms in a closet

606
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: at home for the last few months. No luck yet,

607
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: but I will keep trying. As to toxicity, when I

608
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: was in high school, I played in a band. Some

609
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: people assume since I was a guitar player, I must

610
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: have been into illicit drugs. I was approached by some

611
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: fellow students and invited to go shroom hunting. I made

612
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: up an excuse not to go and forgot about it.

613
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: A few days later I found out they were in

614
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the ICU because they had picked the wrong type. Lastly,

615
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: mushrooms might be the first food eaten just because they

616
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: taste good and not because of calaric or nutritional value.

617
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: The nutritional value is really low compared to other foods.

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00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: There are over seven times the calories in venison as

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Speaker 1: in mushrooms. Salmon has nearly ten times as many calories

620
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: for an equivalent weight of mushrooms. Sure, there's some vitamins

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Speaker 1: and mineral, some fiber, and some species have a little protein,

622
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: but not nearly as much as plants. And animals. I

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Speaker 1: believe hunter gathers ate them when they were there was

624
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: nothing else, but also continued to eat them when denser

625
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: nutrition options were available, simply because they were tasty. Um.

626
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: And then uh yeah, so that's the fully meo. Interesting. Yeah,

627
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: this got me thinking about other foods that we eat

628
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: that have a pretty low caloric density. I mean, for example,

629
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: low starch vegetables, vegetables like celery or like leafy greens.

630
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Speaker 1: You would kind of have to eat a disgusting amount

631
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Speaker 1: of these foods in order to get a day's worth

632
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: of calories. So it seems like we do eat them,

633
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: but we eat them for a reason other than, you know,

634
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: filling up and getting energy from them. I don't know

635
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: if there's a disgusting amount of spinach, though, I can.

636
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: I can eat spinach all day, No, I I love spinach,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I do eat it all day. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have it in your smoothie in the morning, then

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Speaker 1: you have it in like a case of d or

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Speaker 1: something at lunch, and then it factors into whatever you

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Speaker 1: having for dinner as well. Actually, one pasta dish I

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Speaker 1: really like to make has uh it has roasted mushrooms,

643
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Speaker 1: and I used to make it with roasted mushrooms and

644
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: spinach and like like a peccorino cheese. But I've recently

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Speaker 1: discovered that actually, I think kale holds up better than

646
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Speaker 1: spinach in the dish because the spinach wilts just a

647
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: little too easily. The kale is a little bit heartier.

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Speaker 1: You've ever been to a pizza place where they don't

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Speaker 1: have spinach? Is a topping? Oh? I don't usually look

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Speaker 1: for it, but I'd be into it. It should be there,

651
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Speaker 1: it should be offered, at least my opinion. Well, speaking

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00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: of pizza, let's go to our next email about mushroom foraging.

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Speaker 1: I think there's some translation issues on this one, but

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Speaker 1: I'll do my best. This is from Jacob. Jacob says welcome.

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00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: It starts with a quote welcome beings from an afterlife,

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: and then Akaba explains that this is the Polish greeting

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Speaker 1: and voyager one. It seems like someone confused cosmology with

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Speaker 1: ghosts when they were doing the translation there. Um, but

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Speaker 1: Jacob says, being Polish, it was really great to hear

660
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Speaker 1: someone to hear that anyone in the Western world quotes

661
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: pantadas that I had to read in high school as

662
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: a mandatory book in a context other than PhD study

663
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: on Slavic poetry. I cannot imagine the process that led

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Speaker 1: you to quote this poem, you know. I think that

665
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: happens a lot. On our show. We often hear from

666
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: people who say, I have no idea how you ended

667
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: up reading X Y or z well. I research is

668
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: often like the idea of someone following a trail through

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Speaker 1: the woods, and then you see something off to the side,

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Speaker 1: maybe a fairy ring or some mushrooms, and you go

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Speaker 1: out to look at it. And sometimes we get a

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Speaker 1: little bit lost in the woods, but we but in

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Speaker 1: doing so we find sometimes some of them very remarkable things. Totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I loved our segment on pantadays I I

675
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Speaker 1: don't regret it at all. But but Yaka continues, says,

676
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: if you like such stories, I recommend a more modern book,

677
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: The Wedding by Stanislav Vespianski. Mushroom foraging is indeed part

678
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: of our culture, and visiting other countries and continents, it

679
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: was hard for me to understand why people there do

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: not like to wander the woods to do it. Being

681
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: raised at the end of communism in Poland, it seemed

682
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: mushroom foraging was part of every holiday anywhere close to

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Speaker 1: the woods. Referring to poisoning with mushrooms, I honestly do

684
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: not know how much vodka you need to drink to

685
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: confuse macro lepiota pro sera with Amanita virosa or Amanita ploides.

686
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: These mushrooms do not look, smell, or feel the same,

687
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: but unfortunately some people die every year because of that.

688
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: If you like consuming mushrooms, I have a good hint.

689
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Try our Malaria malia. Unfortunately, you will have a hard

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00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: time to find it in North America. As a pizza topping.

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00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: I send you a picture when I make one. It

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00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: go is very well with a glass of primativo. As

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Speaker 1: I do not eat animal products, I tried most widely

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Speaker 1: available mushrooms as pizza toppings and this one wins the

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Speaker 1: contest for me. However, our Millaria melia does it as well,

696
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: quite good. By the way, I remember the episode about biophilia,

697
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: but do not remember one about aquaphilia. By that, I

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Speaker 1: mean a phenomenon that people like to spend time by

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Speaker 1: the water. Longtime listener, first time emailing Jacob, Oh Wow,

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good stuff in that at that email.

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00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: For sure. Surely you love mushrooms on pizza, right on me,

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00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: of course? Yeah, I mean I love mushrooms and pretty

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00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: much anything. Well not the smoothie. I guess we're not putting.

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Speaker 1: We don't put them in the morning smoothie. I'll have them.

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00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: I'll have them on an omelet or something in the morning. Yeah,

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00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that sounds great. All right. Here's another one. This one

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00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: comes to us from Nancy regarding eggs. They're right. My

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00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: neighbor turned me onto podcast and I'm hooked. I chanced

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Speaker 1: upon your show and have enjoyed each episode and look

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: forward to listening to more. I've also told about five

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Speaker 1: people I know about podcasts and recommend your show. I

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Speaker 1: have to react to your podcast about the exploding egg.

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Speaker 1: I taught commercial food service to high school students aged

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Speaker 1: students at a career center in Cadillac, Michigan, a small town.

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Speaker 1: In the scheme of things, we had a large commercial

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Speaker 1: kitchen and a dining room that could see a hundred

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Speaker 1: We serve lunch four days a week for about two

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Speaker 1: thirds of the year. One day, during lunch, a student

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Speaker 1: waited on a gentleman who wanted two hard boiled eggs

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Speaker 1: with toast, which wasn't on our menu, but she took

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Speaker 1: the order and brought it to the kitchen. Because hard

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Speaker 1: cooked eggs take a relatively long time to cook for

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Speaker 1: a restaurant order, the student cook decided to improvise. She

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Speaker 1: grabbed two hard cooked eggs out of a large bucket

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00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: of hard cooked eggs which are available through commercial food providers.

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00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: These eggs are processed and sit in a liquid bath.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure the composition of the solution, but it

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Speaker 1: must contain some ingredients to keep the eggs usable for

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Speaker 1: at least two weeks. She microwaved these eggs and prepare

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Speaker 1: aired the plate for takeout. I was in the dining

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Speaker 1: room when the students served the eggs, not aware of

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Speaker 1: what had happened in the kitchen. There were about six

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Speaker 1: tables with customers in the dining room at the time.

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Speaker 1: I happened to be facing the gentleman when he pierced

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Speaker 1: the egg with his fork. Boom, the egg exploded and

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Speaker 1: sprayed a ten foot circle of tiny pieces of cooked

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Speaker 1: egg on the guy and around the table and floor.

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Speaker 1: Of course, everyone's eyes turned to see what had happened.

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Speaker 1: It was a mess, and the guy had egg all

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Speaker 1: over him. Luckily, he was very nice about it. The

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00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: egg brushed off his clothing easily and we were able

742
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Speaker 1: to move him and prepare something else. These commercial eggs

743
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: are available to prep hard cooked eggs for salad, stuffed eggs,

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00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: et cetera, but not to microwave. Buckets of eggs come

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00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: in various sizes that depending on the restaurant's needs. It

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Speaker 1: was a real learning experience and the students loved the

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00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: teachable moment. Looking back, it was hilarious and it worked

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Speaker 1: out well for all of us. I said this because

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Speaker 1: I did not hear this particular reason for the exploding edge,

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Speaker 1: which was which was not a freshly cooked egg at

751
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Speaker 1: least that's what I'm assuming, like the ones used in

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Speaker 1: your experiments. Is there a searchable list of topics? Although

753
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: I enjoy all that, I have heard friends ask about

754
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: particular subjects, such as animals, and it would be nice

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00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: to start them there to pique their interests. I also

756
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: would like to look up particular topics. I'm truly impressed

757
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: by the depth of research and documentation you do for

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. I look forward to listening to more of

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Speaker 1: your work. Thank you, Nancy Well Nancy, I would say

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Speaker 1: to start with the least fun part of your email.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Unfortunately, our podcast has become less searchable

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00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: in recent times. That's not due to decisions on our part. Yeah,

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00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: I would say, whatever, however you're getting the podcast, or

764
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: however you're your friends might be getting the podcast, the

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Speaker 1: best bet is to try and search within that framework.

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to a show at at on

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Speaker 1: iHeart radio, um you know is, then you can search there,

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00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Or if you're in iTunes, try searching there, like doing

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Speaker 1: the search for stuff to blow your mind, plus animals,

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00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: because we've certainly recorded a number of episodes about animals

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00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: over the years. If our website is ever brought back

772
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: from the Internet dead by digital necromancy, we will immediately

773
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: let everyone know and that that will be the best

774
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: way to search for things once again. Yeah, but yeah, oh,

775
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: I love this story. So of course, in the Eggs episode,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the phenomenon of exploding hard boiled eggs.

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Speaker 1: This is something that apparently happens pretty frequently when you

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Speaker 1: microwave a previously hard boiled egg and it we don't

779
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: know for sure why it happens, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: a good candidate. Explanation is that there are little pockets

781
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: of water in the yolk that get trapped by the

782
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: matrix of proteins there and get superheated, and then when

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00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: they get exposed to lower pressure by cutting open the egg,

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: they suddenly rapidly expand and just pop and blow all

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Speaker 1: over the place. I'm sure it would be terrifying to

786
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: have this happened to you if you didn't know it

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Speaker 1: was possibility. All right, Well, thanks thanks for writing in.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that, and it's always great to hear from

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Speaker 1: from new listeners who discover, you know, what we've what

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00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: we're putting out, what we've put out in the past,

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Speaker 1: and what we're going to continue to put out here

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Speaker 1: in the future. Totally. Uh Now, we a lot of

793
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: listeners got in touch about episodes that we did this October,

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00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: our standard October episodes like Anthology of Horror, The Leshy,

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Speaker 1: the Minotaur. I think we're probably gonna come back and

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00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: read some of those messages in our first Flaming Barrel

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Speaker 1: Chat or whatever we end up calling it our weekly

798
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: listener mail related offering. But just to wrap up today,

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Speaker 1: I did want to say that a bunch of listeners

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00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: got in touch to say nice things about Weird House Cinema,

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00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: So we we really appreciate all of the love and

802
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: feedback about that. Are our new episodes that are about

803
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: are you probably know by now that we have a

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00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: passion for strange b movies, uh, you know, odd films

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00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: that aren't going to make it onto any mainstream lists,

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Speaker 1: and so we've been looking at those in these recent

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Speaker 1: Weird House episodes. Those have been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: It seems like you've mostly been enjoying them. I think

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Speaker 1: we heard from one person who wasn't really complaining. We

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00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: just said, yeah, not really for me, but otherwise all

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Speaker 1: the feedback has been wonderful and it's it's been really encouraging.

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Speaker 1: But Robert, do you want to read this message from Scott? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: Scott writes, dear stuff to blow your mind. Weird How

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Speaker 1: Cinema is an absolute delight. Thank you for sharing the

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Speaker 1: joy of flock movies with the masses. I've noticed Robert

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00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Lamb introduces himself as Rob in both episodes of Weird

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Speaker 1: How Cinema released so far. Is this a signal that

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Speaker 1: he's really letting his hair down to discuss the likes

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Speaker 1: of without warning con troll to best Scott. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I would, I guess. So you know it's this

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Speaker 1: is like the like the part in Mr. Rogers Neighborhood

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Speaker 1: where he changes sweaters. You know, it comes in from

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Speaker 1: the outside, uh and uh and is going to share

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Speaker 1: you know some some stories go to the neighborhood and

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Speaker 1: make believe that's that's kind of what weird how cinema

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Speaker 1: is to me. Well, I'm sorry, I've been sort of

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Speaker 1: cross contaminating because I realized I've been calling you Rob

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Speaker 1: on regular stuff to blow your mind episode, So I

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Speaker 1: I apologizeified. I mean trying to jam the sweater onto

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Speaker 1: you while you're not. It's not that uh that fiercely

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Speaker 1: thought out a concept. So I'm I'm I'm Robert. Robert

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Speaker 1: in most situations put the sweater on. But has anyone

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Speaker 1: ever called you Bert? I don't know if I've been

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Speaker 1: a bird before. I've been just about everything else, uh,

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Speaker 1: Robbie as a kid, I think my my great grandmother

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Speaker 1: called me Robin. So yeah, I mean every there's so

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Speaker 1: many variations on it, and I think I've been all

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Speaker 1: of them before. Do you know are some Bert's Roberts

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Speaker 1: or all Berts like Burton's or whatever. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to ask some birds birds of the world.

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Speaker 1: Bert listeners, let us know. We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and close out the listener mail

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Speaker 1: mail bag for today, but obviously a again, we we

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Speaker 1: didn't have time to get into everything here. Uh B.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and we're gonna do listener mail

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Speaker 1: on a more regular basis, So stay tuned and then

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Speaker 1: see yeah right in, let us know. Is your name Bert?

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