WEBVTT - The Takedown [11] 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.240 Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of I Heart 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.800 Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.720 this podcast are solely those of the podcast author or 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.080 individuals participating in the podcast, and do not represent those 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:18.200 of I Heart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:25.040 discretion is advised by the evening of the By about 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.760 nine thirty ten o'clock at night, we knew who we 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.920 were looking for, we knew what they were in. We 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.360 knew these people were going to continue to kill people 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.080 until they were stopped. We just didn't know where to 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.120 find them. I guess it was probably eleven thirty that night. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.680 I'm going home to Frederick, and as I approached Frederick County, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.840 I switched over to Frederick Barrick channel and I called 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.520 the bar because I'm required the duty sergeant. Sergeant Hunter 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.360 Mark comes on and says copy that six six two, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.880 can you go to secure channel one? And I knew 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.920 something was up. I switched over to channel one and 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.520 I got on the radio and start says I just 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:11.839 got a phone call. Five minutes after that radio station 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.960 there in Frederick broadcast that that's who we were looking for. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.520 A citizen spotted them parked in that rest Arian Myers 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:24.120 and and I told Sergeant hunter Mark, send everybody you got, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.280 and he said, well, counting you, sir, that's three, because 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:32.920 they're all in Montgomery County. Well saddle up, boys, our 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.800 old adage, one riot, one trooper, let's go. There is 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.760 a ruthless person on the loose. What unnerves this community 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.679 the boast is the randomness of the murders, ordinary people 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.120 doing ordinary things. They killed the five people in one 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.680 day and then went on the rampage for the next month. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.240 It is quite a mystery. The police say they have 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.680 never had a crime quite like this. Be careful, these 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.360 guys are using weapons that are gonna go right through 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:06.640 our bulletproof vest. From my Heart radio and Tenderfoot TV, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:14.600 this is monster d C sniper. I wasn't anticipating this 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.120 ending well, once they realized they were cornered, I knew 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.560 we were in for a shootout. I just knew it. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.680 It was the night of October Maryland State Police Lieutenant 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.000 David reich and Ball was on his way home when 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.480 he learned that the sniper's car had been spotted just 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.760 minutes after a radio station broadcast the details about the 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.560 Blue Caprice. A witness saw it parked in a rest 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.880 area forty five miles away up in the mountains of 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.160 northwest Maryland. I drove out to the scene with Rake 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.600 and Bass so he could explain to me exactly what 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.840 happened that night. When Sergeant hunter Mark told me that 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.560 the sniper or car had been spotted in the rest area, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.320 I said, are you sure? And he said, it's confirmed 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.040 as best as we can confirm it. The caller who 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.320 I'm on the line with said they had heard it 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.840 on the radio that the police were looking for this vehicle. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.359 And Sergeant hunter Mark says, what are your orders, sir? 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.240 And I said, my orders are notify the Joint Operations 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.480 Center of the sighting, let them know that I am 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.440 in a route, and will establish a perimeter. I had 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.840 that police car flat out at a hundred and fifteen 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:30.160 miles as fast as that poor thing would go. So 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.000 day we're ten miles out from Frederick. Yep, what's happening 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.280 in your head? What's going through my head is how 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.440 are we going to deal with this? The training kicks in. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.480 I asked Sergeant hunter Mark, who do I have going? 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.920 He tells me, you've worked with these guys in narcotics. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.520 We're all narcs together, so I knew they had the 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:54.200 same swat team basic training that I had. My goal 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.320 is twofold number one, get up here. Let's secure this scene. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.840 The other thing going through my mind is if we 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.720 can get there and in position before they leave that 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.280 rest area, no matter what, they're not getting out. They're 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.720 not going to get past us. If we have to 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.520 use lethal force to stop them, if we have to 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.880 crash a police car into that caprice, We're going to 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.920 do what we need to do. They're not getting out 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.920 of that rest area. I mean, I'm flying, I've got 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.200 the center of the car right on the dotted line. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.200 I'm straddling both lanes as fast as I can go. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.640 The next thing is going through my mind is if 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.000 I were these bad guys, what would I do? And 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.039 my thought process was one would be sleeping in the car, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.880 the other one would be in the woods with that rifle. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.480 What professionally we would call on overwatch? We had handguns 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.800 and a shotgun. We were outgunned. I had contemplated, Hey, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.080 just the three of us, that's go bomb Russiam. But 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.240 if we did that and the scenario that I was 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.919 thinking about came true, then we were dead. He's going 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.880 to be able to kill all of us before we 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.960 even figure out where the shots coming from. So that 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:16.159 was last resort. The next thought process was, let's see 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 if we can somehow get any other civilians out of 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.840 that rest area and seal that rest area in. I'm 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:27.080 worried about the potential for a hostage barricade situation. I'm 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.240 worried about a high speed pursuit. I'm worried about them 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.560 carjacking and eighteen wheeler and now we've got them basically 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.960 driving a tank which they're gonna run over any police 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.480 car we've got. I mean, you've killed people, you've wounded 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.000 for more, you're the most wanted to people probably in 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.720 the world. Why not go out and blaze a glory 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.800 at the bottom of this hill right before we get 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.159 off the exit. You're exactly one mile from the rest area. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.880 The rest area is right on top of that mountain. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.960 M Are you in touch with your other guys on 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.000 the radio at this point? At this point, the other 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:10.000 hearing me, TFC Draskovic, Paschal and the canine guy, we're 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.839 just announcing that they were arriving, and I also had 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.320 ordered silent running through, no lights, no sirens, nothing, and 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.320 right at the beginning of this rest area, just pull 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:27.880 over on the right shoulder here. That's where we met. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:35.280 It was myself, TFC Draskovic, TFC Paschal, and Rich Poffenburger, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.080 the canine trooper out of Hagerstown. I was patched in 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.559 with our witness and I asked them, do you see anything? Nope, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.560 everything's quiet. Do you see us no? Do you hear 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:53.640 us no? Whitney Donohue, the witness who had first reported 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.360 the caprice, agreed to stay on his cell phone at 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.919 the rest stop. Dispatchers patched Donna Hughes telephone through to 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.520 Rank and Ball so the two could talk. Rank and 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.080 Ball figured that if his witness hadn't seen the police 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.520 cars pulled up, then neither had the snipers. So at 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.520 that point I tell TFC Draskovic and Paschal blocked this entry. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.400 So they pulled their car sort of in a V 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.840 right about where the rest areas sign is. My canine guy, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.520 I said, I want you to go in the middle 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.560 between the entrance and the exit. Get the dog out, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.720 keep him quiet. Anybody that comes out of this rest 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.600 area on foot, assume they are the sniper, and turned 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:39.080 the dog loose. Keep in mind they had us out gunned. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.560 We had handguns on a shotgun. They had that Bushmaster 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.200 and I told him I'm going to the exit and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.240 I will set up my command post there. And then 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.600 eventually I got another trooper out of Hagerstown and him 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.600 and I blocked the exit. So that's how we stood 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:01.040 for the first twenty minutes. The next incoming troopers, we 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.640 had them blocked the interstates, both directions. I wanted everybody 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.320 off the mountain. From what we could tell, we might 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.920 have had a dozen trucks parked in the truck lock. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.000 As luck would have it, we had a couple of 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.880 truck drivers start to come out to leave. We stopped them, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.920 searched their rigs, and I asked them if they wanted 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.400 to be good Americans, and it was just like, well, yeah, troop, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.600 what do you need? I said, well, we got the 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.760 snipers in the rest area, and it was holy shit, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.800 you're kidding me, right, I said, no, his ambastards are 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:39.000 in there. I just took a piss and I said, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.559 can you throw your truck across this exit so that 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.320 that car cannot get out of here, Yes, sir, be 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.040 maur honor. Now I'm on the phone with my witnesses, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.319 and I'm on the phone with the Joint Operations Center because, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.160 as you can imagine, they were losing their collective minds. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.440 After weeks of working over time and dozens of dead 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.560 end leads, police were tantalizing Lee close to an arrest. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:11.480 Attentions were rising. We start getting orders from the Joint 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.840 Operations Center. Have you done this? Have you done that? 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.520 I understand their concerns. These are special agents in charge. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.600 Their jobs are on the line. They don't know me, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.600 they don't know my training. They want to take charge. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.320 That's why they're special agents in charge in the FBI. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.720 I understand that the problem is they were in Montgomery County. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.240 I'm here, I know this rest area. I know my troopers. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.480 They don't. So it got a little bit intense. Then 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.240 the next thing that happens is Trooper Smith and I 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.920 are on that end, and of course our attention is 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.880 towards the interior of the rest area, and all of 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.360 a sudden, I hear Dwayne Smith, y'all gone gunne and 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.520 I turned out of the corner of my eye. I 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:08.040 see a man coming with a rifle. He's got his 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.040 hat on backwards, he's wearing shorts. And as I happened 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.240 to look, as I start to train my weapon on him, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:20.920 I see d e a about this big and I realized, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.640 oh my god, we're gonna have a friendly fire situation here. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.600 And that's when I ordered, if you're not in uniform, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:35.600 get off the mountain. Then the pushback started. My agents 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.760 can be up there. They've been told to be up there, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.720 and I said, you do not understand, sir. It is dark. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.880 We're going to get one of them killed. And when 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.600 that happens, if the snipers are in that car, we're 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.480 in a firefight, because we're gonna wake him up. Right now. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.440 I've got the advantage of surprise. I want to keep it. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.840 And at one point the U. S. Marshall came on 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.000 and basically put me in charge. The U. S. Marshall's 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:10.280 office trumps everybody, so we eased that situation. As police 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.440 shut down the highways and a swarm of officers assembled 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.160 for the takedown, law enforcement worried that the media might 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.079 blow their cover. The other immediate concern was is all right, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.000 it's on the radio media is listening to police communications. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.960 They know there's an army of federal, state, and local 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.040 law enforcement heading to Myersville. Apparently there is a lot 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.439 of what they described as police activity, a lot of 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.160 officers responding to where this car was fought at. We 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.200 are on the access roads at exit forty two on 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:50.680 Interstate seventy. They have the entire highway north of this 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:55.920 exit blocked off with the sheriff's deputies and Maryland State troopers. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.320 And then it dawns on me, what happens if Channel 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:04.240 one two ABC flies over with their helicopter. Ah, that's 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.440 gonna blow what element of surprise. I had made a 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.400 phone call to a friend of mine US Secret Service, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:12.960 and I asked him affairs a way we could have 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.559 airspace secured above us. He called me back in less 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.640 than thirty seconds by where Presidential Authority Secret Service, Frederick 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.679 County's airspace is secured. We did have one of our 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.720 affiliate helicopters here, but apparently the police were not happy 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.480 to see that new helicopter in the area, and they 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.320 have ordered it to fly away from the immediate scene 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.880 to not compromise their investigation. Then it was just a 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:57.600 matter of time awaiting as Rank and Ball guarded the 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.240 rest stops exit. Montgomery County Police is Captain Drew Tracy 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.360 met with the team of SWAN officers that they named 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.400 the Tango Team at the bottom of the wooded hill 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.360 behind the rest stop. The Tango Swan Team worked out 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.800 a plan to capture the snipers they had surprised for 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:21.400 twenty one days. Now, we had surprise and we had 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.320 kind of a burning desire inside of us to put 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.240 this to an end. We had to At the rest stop, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.960 there was about seventy parking spaces, there was bathrooms. The 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.840 vehicle was back then and because of a tempted windows, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.760 we could not see inside the blue caprice. We weren't 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.839 even sure they were in there. We figured they may 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.120 not be in there, but we still need an assault plan. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.200 And I remember being in a woodline. I'm saying, Okay, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.280 what's our plan if they go mobile? And then I 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.319 looked at these guys who I know, who I respect. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.280 They're highly trained, and I said to myself, Drew, shut up. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.800 They got it, and I just backed off. Police scanned 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.600 it behind the rest stop with night vision and infrared sensors. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.560 They wanted to make sure that Malvo and Mohammed weren't 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.720 hiding somewhere in the trees. There was an aircraft that 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.600 flew over the rest area. Was some sort of a helicopter, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.480 and to this day, I do not know what kind 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:22.520 of aircraft that was. But it made no sound, not 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:29.040 one sound. It was not civilian, it was not law enforcement. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.320 The only thing I can tell you is I felt 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.160 it more than heard it. And I looked up and 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.760 the leaves were rustling, and I thought, there's no wind. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:46.000 What the hell is that? And then this shadow went sideways, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.120 real slowly over my head towards the interior of the 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.200 rest area. And then it dawned on me that is 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.520 a military aircraft. And I know who was in it. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.640 And you know, to this day, God buss him. He 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.480 will not tell me what kind of aircraft he was, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.000 He says, I'm what you're talking about, Dave. The woods 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.320 looked clear, so the Tango swat team assembled at the 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.760 base of the hill. It was now three thirty am, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.280 hours after the sniper's car had been spotted. The Tango 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.760 swat team made its final preparations before they climbed up 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.800 through the woods to assault the sniper's car from the rear. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.760 The decision on the takedown was to go with six individuals, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.560 one from Maryland State Police, one from Montgomery County, and 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.320 four FBI HASSES rescue team. We had a game plan. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.080 We had two designated shooters, we had breachers to breach 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.440 the windows, and we had hands on people. And we 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.120 practiced real quick in a woodline, and then a decision 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.840 was made. You know, everybody stood in line, thumbs up, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.680 thumbs up, grab shoulder, grab shoulder, go, no comments, no nothing. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.240 After four hours of anxious waiting, suddenly everything went into 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.240 high gear rank and ball was given the heads. Just 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.880 before the Tangos one team entered the rest area, I 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:08.200 got the message Tango team. Thirty seconds out. Dwayne and 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.760 I came down to get between the bad guys and 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.400 our civilians. The Tango team is fully warmed. They've got 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.120 ballistic vests, helmets, night vision. They had at least two 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.760 MP five. They comed out of the woods, slightly stooped, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:28.800 weapons up, fully intent on their target. As they get 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.480 close to the car, the night vision goggles come up. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.960 They split into two groups, three down the driver's side, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.200 three down the passenger side, and even though they're three 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.720 guys in the line. They're moving. It's one. I'm in 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.640 the woodline and listening. I'm praying that there's no shots fired. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.760 My heart's running a mile a minute. And I hear 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.720 the breaking of windows. The Tango team took out the 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.520 passenger rear window, driver's front window with spring loaded baton, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.920 and out of the vehicle they came. I hear police, police, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.560 get on the ground. You know. I'm listening. I'm listening. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:15.959 And then I hear the word clear, and I started 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.040 walking from the woodline and I see two things right away. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:24.520 I see like a glistening of like light. And when 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.520 I looked down, the glistening was Malvo Marvel was on 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.320 the ground, face down, handcuffed. And what happened is when 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.000 they breached the tempered windows, the glass got in his 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.200 hair and it hit the light and he didn't say 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.440 one word. And I looked down. I looked right at him, 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.119 and he was sweating. He was sweating pretty good for 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:52.200 that cold night. And then I hear jabbering. It was 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.200 John Mohammed. He was just jabbering away. It didn't have 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.840 a lot of meaning to me. It was just kind 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.600 of big talk. And he was on the ground he 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.320 was searched. I was right there when they opened his 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.399 wallet and there was several pieces of false identification in 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.800 different names. Remember looking at it, going, oh boy, Mohammed 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.640 did not impress me one little bit. You could see 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.720 the fear in his face. Now, Lee Malvo, the young one, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.560 different story. I've arrestled a lot of people, but this 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.280 is one of those people that you just know looking 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.359 at him, this guy isn't done killing if he gets 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.560 the chance. He's cuffed. He's sitting cross legged with Trooper 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.240 Draskovic standing right behind and probably the largest state tripper 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.080 in Maryland. Anybody else in their right mind should have 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:49.520 been in complete fear. Not this kid. This kid just 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.480 looked at me with that dead shark eyed look. Pal, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.280 I'd kill you and everybody here if I had the chance. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.399 They were put in cars and of the helicopter escort 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.440 down the road they went. From that point, we did 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.640 a quick clear of the caprice to make sure there 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.080 was no explosives or anything else to be in Bob, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.640 and then we pulled back. Investigators took over, and that's 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.119 when they went to get to Warren's. I stayed on 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.440 the scene, secured the scene, search warrant was obtained, all 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.439 the lab guys got up there, and there's still that 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.359 little bit of doubt in the back of your mind 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.639 until they pulled that damn sniper rifle out of the 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.919 back seat of that car. Hidden in a secret compartment 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.560 behind one of the car's back seats. Police found a rifle, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:41.040 a bipod, and discope. And I'll never forget as long 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.960 as I live the noise of when the lab guy 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.720 cocked that round out of that rifle and seeing it's 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.560 spinning around in a circle in the air, and the 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.400 tinkle that it made when it hit the parking lot. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.919 No formal charges yet in the sniper case, but from authorities, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.720 no doubts that they've got their math inside the car, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.200 the two suspects were sound asleep, and authorities, who feared 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:15.600 a violent confrontation, instead made a textbook peaceful arrest. We 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.679 feel very positive about being here. We have the weapon, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:29.199 it is off the streets so long as she's been 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:34.199 so frustrated, And as police officers, when the news finally 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.040 broke that the two snipers were in custody and all 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.360 the officers involved were safe, it was a tremendous relief. 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.159 It wasn't a celebration. There was no high five and 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.560 going around or anything like that. It was just it's over. 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.840 I was happy that it was over, but it was 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.600 even happier watching my mom and my elderly neighbor go 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.199 to the store for the first time. Okay, she was 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.320 so scared to go anywhere. That was my biggest relief, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.560 was actually seeing my mom be able to live life again. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.679 They had that satisfaction to know that that our evidence 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.000 from Alabama was used to stop somebody from doing what 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.080 they were doing. It felt just awesome to bring justice 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.199 to the victims so they know what happened. It's not 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.159 comforting to them, it's just a sense of closure. I 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.360 feel good because people who were not in danger anymore. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.479 But you know, I was dealing with my pain, you know, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.959 and my daughter was still miss her mom. I was 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:33.240 just so mad. I was at work and someone came 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.120 and told me your brother's killers have been caught. And 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.480 it just took a while for it all to sink in. 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.919 I immediately started getting phone calls from people wanting to 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.439 do interviews and things. I was just amazed that it 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:52.760 wasn't terrorists. My gut that this was international terrorism was wrong, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.320 but we're still trying to figure out, Hey, you've got 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.040 two guys. You've got an older guy, and you got 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.960 this young KIDTI seventeen years old. What's this about. I 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.600 remember feeling this immense relief and then just disbelief when 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.680 the information came out that it was an older guy 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.840 and a young guy, like a young guy, a young 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:15.720 guy did this? Why? Journalistically, this moment of being arrested, 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.920 that's the moment when we really kick into gear because 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.240 suddenly there's two suspects and a story to tell about 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.399 how we got to that point and who these people 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.720 are and why this happened. To this day, the why 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.240 this happened is somewhat elusive people who do this work. 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.280 You can be really happy about the case, but you know, 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.119 unfortunately there's going to be more coming. You turn around 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.399 and yeah, you know, you dust yourself off and you 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.440 get ready to go back to work. And that's Bernard 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.399 forsythe he led the homicide investigation in Montgomery County when 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:52.200 the attacks first started. For the public, the arrests led 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.600 to a tremendous sense of relief. Kids could play outside 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.439 again and no one had to worry as they pumped gas. 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.240 But for Hamis investigators like forsythe the DC sniper case 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.879 didn't end with the arrests. While the immediate threats seemed 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.560 to be over, there were still questions to be answered, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.000 what was the motive and who was actually taking the shots, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:21.639 Mohammed or Malvo. But more importantly, detectives and journalists would 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.400 soon discover that the snipers had committed many more crimes 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.439 than anyone realized. We ended up going all around the 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.320 country trying to track leads down and finding out that 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.920 these subjects actually did more. What had Mohammed and Malvo 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.840 been doing in the months between the shooting of Kenya 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.960 Cook in February and the spree that started in d 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:48.000 C in October. Detectives needed to interview Mohammed and Malvo 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.240 and scour through evidence in the Blue Caprice to retrace 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.720 the snipers steps between Washington State and the nation's capital. 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.440 After the arrest, agents took John Mohammed and Lee Boyd 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:16.600 Malvo to Montgomery County to interview them. They were handcuffed 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.240 and locked alone in separate rooms while officers prepared to 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.480 question them. Suddenly, a crash rang out from Malvo's room. 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.080 The agent assigned to guard him, unlocked the door and 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:31.080 rushed inside. Malvo had slipped one hand out of his handcuffs, 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.760 stacked a chair onto a desk, and was climbing into 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.040 the space above the ceiling tiles. The agent pool melbow 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.199 to the floor. Other officers heard the commotion and ran in. 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.160 Malvo was moved to a new, more secure room, where 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.720 the furniture was bolted to the floor. There, Terry Ryan, 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.680 a Montgomery County detective, began a strange interview with Malvo. 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.720 Malvo refused to say a word, pantomiming that his lips 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:04.480 were field, but he responded to questions through gestures. Ryan 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.199 wanted to know if something unexpected happened at the final 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.040 shooting of Conrad Johnson that caused Malvo to leave the 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:22.800 Duffel bag and glub behind because love. Ryan wrote in 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.040 his report that Malvo nodded and his eyes welled up 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.600 with tears. He grabbed his collar and began to rock 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:38.000 back and forth in his chair. Meanwhile, Mohammed's questioning wasn't 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.720 going much better. Mohammed told officers he was innocent. He 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.040 said that he had found the Bushmaster rifle in a dumpster. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:49.239 The day before. The suspects weren't cooperating, but police had 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:53.280 plenty of evidence to examine. First, they needed to confirm 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.320