1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: this podcast are solely those of the podcast author or 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: individuals participating in the podcast, and do not represent those 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: of I Heart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: discretion is advised by the evening of the By about 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: nine thirty ten o'clock at night, we knew who we 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: were looking for, we knew what they were in. We 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: knew these people were going to continue to kill people 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: until they were stopped. We just didn't know where to 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: find them. I guess it was probably eleven thirty that night. 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm going home to Frederick, and as I approached Frederick County, 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: I switched over to Frederick Barrick channel and I called 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: the bar because I'm required the duty sergeant. Sergeant Hunter 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Mark comes on and says copy that six six two, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: can you go to secure channel one? And I knew 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: something was up. I switched over to channel one and 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: I got on the radio and start says I just 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: got a phone call. Five minutes after that radio station 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: there in Frederick broadcast that that's who we were looking for. 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: A citizen spotted them parked in that rest Arian Myers 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: and and I told Sergeant hunter Mark, send everybody you got, 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: and he said, well, counting you, sir, that's three, because 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: they're all in Montgomery County. Well saddle up, boys, our 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: old adage, one riot, one trooper, let's go. There is 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: a ruthless person on the loose. What unnerves this community 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: the boast is the randomness of the murders, ordinary people 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: doing ordinary things. They killed the five people in one 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: day and then went on the rampage for the next month. 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: It is quite a mystery. The police say they have 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: never had a crime quite like this. Be careful, these 32 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: guys are using weapons that are gonna go right through 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: our bulletproof vest. From my Heart radio and Tenderfoot TV, 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: this is monster d C sniper. I wasn't anticipating this 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: ending well, once they realized they were cornered, I knew 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: we were in for a shootout. I just knew it. 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: It was the night of October Maryland State Police Lieutenant 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: David reich and Ball was on his way home when 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: he learned that the sniper's car had been spotted just 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: minutes after a radio station broadcast the details about the 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Blue Caprice. A witness saw it parked in a rest 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: area forty five miles away up in the mountains of 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: northwest Maryland. I drove out to the scene with Rake 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: and Bass so he could explain to me exactly what 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: happened that night. When Sergeant hunter Mark told me that 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the sniper or car had been spotted in the rest area, 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: I said, are you sure? And he said, it's confirmed 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: as best as we can confirm it. The caller who 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm on the line with said they had heard it 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: on the radio that the police were looking for this vehicle. 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: And Sergeant hunter Mark says, what are your orders, sir? 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: And I said, my orders are notify the Joint Operations 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: Center of the sighting, let them know that I am 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: in a route, and will establish a perimeter. I had 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: that police car flat out at a hundred and fifteen 56 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: miles as fast as that poor thing would go. So 57 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: day we're ten miles out from Frederick. Yep, what's happening 58 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: in your head? What's going through my head is how 59 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: are we going to deal with this? The training kicks in. 60 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: I asked Sergeant hunter Mark, who do I have going? 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: He tells me, you've worked with these guys in narcotics. 62 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: We're all narcs together, so I knew they had the 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: same swat team basic training that I had. My goal 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: is twofold number one, get up here. Let's secure this scene. 65 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: The other thing going through my mind is if we 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: can get there and in position before they leave that 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: rest area, no matter what, they're not getting out. They're 68 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: not going to get past us. If we have to 69 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: use lethal force to stop them, if we have to 70 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: crash a police car into that caprice, We're going to 71 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: do what we need to do. They're not getting out 72 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: of that rest area. I mean, I'm flying, I've got 73 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: the center of the car right on the dotted line. 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm straddling both lanes as fast as I can go. 75 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: The next thing is going through my mind is if 76 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I were these bad guys, what would I do? And 77 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: my thought process was one would be sleeping in the car, 78 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: the other one would be in the woods with that rifle. 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: What professionally we would call on overwatch? We had handguns 80 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: and a shotgun. We were outgunned. I had contemplated, Hey, 81 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: just the three of us, that's go bomb Russiam. But 82 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: if we did that and the scenario that I was 83 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: thinking about came true, then we were dead. He's going 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: to be able to kill all of us before we 85 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: even figure out where the shots coming from. So that 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: was last resort. The next thought process was, let's see 87 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: if we can somehow get any other civilians out of 88 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: that rest area and seal that rest area in. I'm 89 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: worried about the potential for a hostage barricade situation. I'm 90 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: worried about a high speed pursuit. I'm worried about them 91 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: carjacking and eighteen wheeler and now we've got them basically 92 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: driving a tank which they're gonna run over any police 93 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: car we've got. I mean, you've killed people, you've wounded 94 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: for more, you're the most wanted to people probably in 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: the world. Why not go out and blaze a glory 96 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: at the bottom of this hill right before we get 97 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: off the exit. You're exactly one mile from the rest area. 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: The rest area is right on top of that mountain. 99 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: M Are you in touch with your other guys on 100 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: the radio at this point? At this point, the other 101 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: hearing me, TFC Draskovic, Paschal and the canine guy, we're 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: just announcing that they were arriving, and I also had 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: ordered silent running through, no lights, no sirens, nothing, and 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: right at the beginning of this rest area, just pull 105 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: over on the right shoulder here. That's where we met. 106 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: It was myself, TFC Draskovic, TFC Paschal, and Rich Poffenburger, 107 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the canine trooper out of Hagerstown. I was patched in 108 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: with our witness and I asked them, do you see anything? Nope, 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: everything's quiet. Do you see us no? Do you hear 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: us no? Whitney Donohue, the witness who had first reported 111 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: the caprice, agreed to stay on his cell phone at 112 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: the rest stop. Dispatchers patched Donna Hughes telephone through to 113 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: Rank and Ball so the two could talk. Rank and 114 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: Ball figured that if his witness hadn't seen the police 115 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: cars pulled up, then neither had the snipers. So at 116 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: that point I tell TFC Draskovic and Paschal blocked this entry. 117 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: So they pulled their car sort of in a V 118 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: right about where the rest areas sign is. My canine guy, 119 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: I said, I want you to go in the middle 120 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: between the entrance and the exit. Get the dog out, 121 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: keep him quiet. Anybody that comes out of this rest 122 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: area on foot, assume they are the sniper, and turned 123 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: the dog loose. Keep in mind they had us out gunned. 124 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: We had handguns on a shotgun. They had that Bushmaster 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: and I told him I'm going to the exit and 126 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: I will set up my command post there. And then 127 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: eventually I got another trooper out of Hagerstown and him 128 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: and I blocked the exit. So that's how we stood 129 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: for the first twenty minutes. The next incoming troopers, we 130 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: had them blocked the interstates, both directions. I wanted everybody 131 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: off the mountain. From what we could tell, we might 132 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: have had a dozen trucks parked in the truck lock. 133 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: As luck would have it, we had a couple of 134 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: truck drivers start to come out to leave. We stopped them, 135 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: searched their rigs, and I asked them if they wanted 136 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: to be good Americans, and it was just like, well, yeah, troop, 137 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: what do you need? I said, well, we got the 138 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: snipers in the rest area, and it was holy shit, 139 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: you're kidding me, right, I said, no, his ambastards are 140 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: in there. I just took a piss and I said, 141 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: can you throw your truck across this exit so that 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: that car cannot get out of here, Yes, sir, be 143 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: maur honor. Now I'm on the phone with my witnesses, 144 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: and I'm on the phone with the Joint Operations Center because, 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, they were losing their collective minds. 146 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: After weeks of working over time and dozens of dead 147 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: end leads, police were tantalizing Lee close to an arrest. 148 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Attentions were rising. We start getting orders from the Joint 149 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: Operations Center. Have you done this? Have you done that? 150 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: I understand their concerns. These are special agents in charge. 151 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: Their jobs are on the line. They don't know me, 152 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: they don't know my training. They want to take charge. 153 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: That's why they're special agents in charge in the FBI. 154 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: I understand that the problem is they were in Montgomery County. 155 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm here, I know this rest area. I know my troopers. 156 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: They don't. So it got a little bit intense. Then 157 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: the next thing that happens is Trooper Smith and I 158 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: are on that end, and of course our attention is 159 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: towards the interior of the rest area, and all of 160 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, I hear Dwayne Smith, y'all gone gunne and 161 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: I turned out of the corner of my eye. I 162 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: see a man coming with a rifle. He's got his 163 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: hat on backwards, he's wearing shorts. And as I happened 164 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: to look, as I start to train my weapon on him, 165 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I see d e a about this big and I realized, 166 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna have a friendly fire situation here. 167 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: And that's when I ordered, if you're not in uniform, 168 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: get off the mountain. Then the pushback started. My agents 169 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: can be up there. They've been told to be up there, 170 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: and I said, you do not understand, sir. It is dark. 171 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: We're going to get one of them killed. And when 172 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: that happens, if the snipers are in that car, we're 173 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: in a firefight, because we're gonna wake him up. Right now. 174 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I've got the advantage of surprise. I want to keep it. 175 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: And at one point the U. S. Marshall came on 176 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: and basically put me in charge. The U. S. Marshall's 177 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: office trumps everybody, so we eased that situation. As police 178 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: shut down the highways and a swarm of officers assembled 179 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: for the takedown, law enforcement worried that the media might 180 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: blow their cover. The other immediate concern was is all right, 181 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: it's on the radio media is listening to police communications. 182 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: They know there's an army of federal, state, and local 183 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement heading to Myersville. Apparently there is a lot 184 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: of what they described as police activity, a lot of 185 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: officers responding to where this car was fought at. We 186 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: are on the access roads at exit forty two on 187 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: Interstate seventy. They have the entire highway north of this 188 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: exit blocked off with the sheriff's deputies and Maryland State troopers. 189 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: And then it dawns on me, what happens if Channel 190 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: one two ABC flies over with their helicopter. Ah, that's 191 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: gonna blow what element of surprise. I had made a 192 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: phone call to a friend of mine US Secret Service, 193 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: and I asked him affairs a way we could have 194 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: airspace secured above us. He called me back in less 195 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: than thirty seconds by where Presidential Authority Secret Service, Frederick 196 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: County's airspace is secured. We did have one of our 197 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: affiliate helicopters here, but apparently the police were not happy 198 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: to see that new helicopter in the area, and they 199 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: have ordered it to fly away from the immediate scene 200 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: to not compromise their investigation. Then it was just a 201 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: matter of time awaiting as Rank and Ball guarded the 202 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: rest stops exit. Montgomery County Police is Captain Drew Tracy 203 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: met with the team of SWAN officers that they named 204 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: the Tango Team at the bottom of the wooded hill 205 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: behind the rest stop. The Tango Swan Team worked out 206 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: a plan to capture the snipers they had surprised for 207 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty one days. Now, we had surprise and we had 208 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of a burning desire inside of us to put 209 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: this to an end. We had to At the rest stop, 210 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: there was about seventy parking spaces, there was bathrooms. The 211 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: vehicle was back then and because of a tempted windows, 212 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: we could not see inside the blue caprice. We weren't 213 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: even sure they were in there. We figured they may 214 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: not be in there, but we still need an assault plan. 215 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: And I remember being in a woodline. I'm saying, Okay, 216 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: what's our plan if they go mobile? And then I 217 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: looked at these guys who I know, who I respect. 218 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: They're highly trained, and I said to myself, Drew, shut up. 219 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: They got it, and I just backed off. Police scanned 220 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: it behind the rest stop with night vision and infrared sensors. 221 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: They wanted to make sure that Malvo and Mohammed weren't 222 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: hiding somewhere in the trees. There was an aircraft that 223 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: flew over the rest area. Was some sort of a helicopter, 224 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: and to this day, I do not know what kind 225 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: of aircraft that was. But it made no sound, not 226 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: one sound. It was not civilian, it was not law enforcement. 227 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: The only thing I can tell you is I felt 228 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: it more than heard it. And I looked up and 229 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: the leaves were rustling, and I thought, there's no wind. 230 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: What the hell is that? And then this shadow went sideways, 231 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: real slowly over my head towards the interior of the 232 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: rest area. And then it dawned on me that is 233 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: a military aircraft. And I know who was in it. 234 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: And you know, to this day, God buss him. He 235 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: will not tell me what kind of aircraft he was, 236 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: He says, I'm what you're talking about, Dave. The woods 237 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: looked clear, so the Tango swat team assembled at the 238 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: base of the hill. It was now three thirty am, 239 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: hours after the sniper's car had been spotted. The Tango 240 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: swat team made its final preparations before they climbed up 241 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: through the woods to assault the sniper's car from the rear. 242 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: The decision on the takedown was to go with six individuals, 243 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: one from Maryland State Police, one from Montgomery County, and 244 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: four FBI HASSES rescue team. We had a game plan. 245 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: We had two designated shooters, we had breachers to breach 246 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: the windows, and we had hands on people. And we 247 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: practiced real quick in a woodline, and then a decision 248 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: was made. You know, everybody stood in line, thumbs up, 249 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: thumbs up, grab shoulder, grab shoulder, go, no comments, no nothing. 250 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: After four hours of anxious waiting, suddenly everything went into 251 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: high gear rank and ball was given the heads. Just 252 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: before the Tangos one team entered the rest area, I 253 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: got the message Tango team. Thirty seconds out. Dwayne and 254 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I came down to get between the bad guys and 255 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: our civilians. The Tango team is fully warmed. They've got 256 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: ballistic vests, helmets, night vision. They had at least two 257 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: MP five. They comed out of the woods, slightly stooped, 258 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: weapons up, fully intent on their target. As they get 259 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: close to the car, the night vision goggles come up. 260 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: They split into two groups, three down the driver's side, 261 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: three down the passenger side, and even though they're three 262 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: guys in the line. They're moving. It's one. I'm in 263 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: the woodline and listening. I'm praying that there's no shots fired. 264 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: My heart's running a mile a minute. And I hear 265 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the breaking of windows. The Tango team took out the 266 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: passenger rear window, driver's front window with spring loaded baton, 267 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: and out of the vehicle they came. I hear police, police, 268 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: get on the ground. You know. I'm listening. I'm listening. 269 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: And then I hear the word clear, and I started 270 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: walking from the woodline and I see two things right away. 271 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: I see like a glistening of like light. And when 272 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I looked down, the glistening was Malvo Marvel was on 273 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: the ground, face down, handcuffed. And what happened is when 274 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: they breached the tempered windows, the glass got in his 275 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: hair and it hit the light and he didn't say 276 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: one word. And I looked down. I looked right at him, 277 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: and he was sweating. He was sweating pretty good for 278 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: that cold night. And then I hear jabbering. It was 279 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: John Mohammed. He was just jabbering away. It didn't have 280 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot of meaning to me. It was just kind 281 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: of big talk. And he was on the ground he 282 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: was searched. I was right there when they opened his 283 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: wallet and there was several pieces of false identification in 284 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: different names. Remember looking at it, going, oh boy, Mohammed 285 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: did not impress me one little bit. You could see 286 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: the fear in his face. Now, Lee Malvo, the young one, 287 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: different story. I've arrestled a lot of people, but this 288 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: is one of those people that you just know looking 289 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: at him, this guy isn't done killing if he gets 290 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: the chance. He's cuffed. He's sitting cross legged with Trooper 291 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: Draskovic standing right behind and probably the largest state tripper 292 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: in Maryland. Anybody else in their right mind should have 293 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: been in complete fear. Not this kid. This kid just 294 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: looked at me with that dead shark eyed look. Pal, 295 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I'd kill you and everybody here if I had the chance. 296 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: They were put in cars and of the helicopter escort 297 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: down the road they went. From that point, we did 298 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: a quick clear of the caprice to make sure there 299 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: was no explosives or anything else to be in Bob, 300 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: and then we pulled back. Investigators took over, and that's 301 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: when they went to get to Warren's. I stayed on 302 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: the scene, secured the scene, search warrant was obtained, all 303 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: the lab guys got up there, and there's still that 304 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: little bit of doubt in the back of your mind 305 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: until they pulled that damn sniper rifle out of the 306 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: back seat of that car. Hidden in a secret compartment 307 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: behind one of the car's back seats. Police found a rifle, 308 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: a bipod, and discope. And I'll never forget as long 309 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: as I live the noise of when the lab guy 310 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: cocked that round out of that rifle and seeing it's 311 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: spinning around in a circle in the air, and the 312 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: tinkle that it made when it hit the parking lot. 313 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: No formal charges yet in the sniper case, but from authorities, 314 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: no doubts that they've got their math inside the car, 315 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: the two suspects were sound asleep, and authorities, who feared 316 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: a violent confrontation, instead made a textbook peaceful arrest. We 317 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: feel very positive about being here. We have the weapon, 318 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: it is off the streets so long as she's been 319 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: so frustrated, And as police officers, when the news finally 320 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: broke that the two snipers were in custody and all 321 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: the officers involved were safe, it was a tremendous relief. 322 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't a celebration. There was no high five and 323 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: going around or anything like that. It was just it's over. 324 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: I was happy that it was over, but it was 325 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: even happier watching my mom and my elderly neighbor go 326 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: to the store for the first time. Okay, she was 327 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: so scared to go anywhere. That was my biggest relief, 328 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: was actually seeing my mom be able to live life again. 329 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: They had that satisfaction to know that that our evidence 330 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: from Alabama was used to stop somebody from doing what 331 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: they were doing. It felt just awesome to bring justice 332 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: to the victims so they know what happened. It's not 333 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: comforting to them, it's just a sense of closure. I 334 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: feel good because people who were not in danger anymore. 335 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: But you know, I was dealing with my pain, you know, 336 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: and my daughter was still miss her mom. I was 337 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: just so mad. I was at work and someone came 338 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: and told me your brother's killers have been caught. And 339 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: it just took a while for it all to sink in. 340 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: I immediately started getting phone calls from people wanting to 341 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: do interviews and things. I was just amazed that it 342 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: wasn't terrorists. My gut that this was international terrorism was wrong, 343 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: but we're still trying to figure out, Hey, you've got 344 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: two guys. You've got an older guy, and you got 345 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: this young KIDTI seventeen years old. What's this about. I 346 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: remember feeling this immense relief and then just disbelief when 347 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: the information came out that it was an older guy 348 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: and a young guy, like a young guy, a young 349 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: guy did this? Why? Journalistically, this moment of being arrested, 350 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: that's the moment when we really kick into gear because 351 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: suddenly there's two suspects and a story to tell about 352 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: how we got to that point and who these people 353 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: are and why this happened. To this day, the why 354 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: this happened is somewhat elusive people who do this work. 355 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: You can be really happy about the case, but you know, 356 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: unfortunately there's going to be more coming. You turn around 357 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, you dust yourself off and you 358 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: get ready to go back to work. And that's Bernard 359 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: forsythe he led the homicide investigation in Montgomery County when 360 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: the attacks first started. For the public, the arrests led 361 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: to a tremendous sense of relief. Kids could play outside 362 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: again and no one had to worry as they pumped gas. 363 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: But for Hamis investigators like forsythe the DC sniper case 364 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: didn't end with the arrests. While the immediate threats seemed 365 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: to be over, there were still questions to be answered, 366 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: what was the motive and who was actually taking the shots, 367 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: Mohammed or Malvo. But more importantly, detectives and journalists would 368 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: soon discover that the snipers had committed many more crimes 369 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: than anyone realized. We ended up going all around the 370 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: country trying to track leads down and finding out that 371 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: these subjects actually did more. What had Mohammed and Malvo 372 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: been doing in the months between the shooting of Kenya 373 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: Cook in February and the spree that started in d 374 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: C in October. Detectives needed to interview Mohammed and Malvo 375 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: and scour through evidence in the Blue Caprice to retrace 376 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: the snipers steps between Washington State and the nation's capital. 377 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: After the arrest, agents took John Mohammed and Lee Boyd 378 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: Malvo to Montgomery County to interview them. They were handcuffed 379 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: and locked alone in separate rooms while officers prepared to 380 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: question them. Suddenly, a crash rang out from Malvo's room. 381 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: The agent assigned to guard him, unlocked the door and 382 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: rushed inside. Malvo had slipped one hand out of his handcuffs, 383 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: stacked a chair onto a desk, and was climbing into 384 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: the space above the ceiling tiles. The agent pool melbow 385 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: to the floor. Other officers heard the commotion and ran in. 386 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: Malvo was moved to a new, more secure room, where 387 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: the furniture was bolted to the floor. There, Terry Ryan, 388 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: a Montgomery County detective, began a strange interview with Malvo. 389 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: Malvo refused to say a word, pantomiming that his lips 390 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: were field, but he responded to questions through gestures. Ryan 391 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: wanted to know if something unexpected happened at the final 392 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: shooting of Conrad Johnson that caused Malvo to leave the 393 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Duffel bag and glub behind because love. Ryan wrote in 394 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: his report that Malvo nodded and his eyes welled up 395 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: with tears. He grabbed his collar and began to rock 396 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: back and forth in his chair. Meanwhile, Mohammed's questioning wasn't 397 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: going much better. Mohammed told officers he was innocent. He 398 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: said that he had found the Bushmaster rifle in a dumpster. 399 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: The day before. The suspects weren't cooperating, but police had 400 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: plenty of evidence to examine. First, they needed to confirm 401 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: that the Bushmaster rifle from the Caprice was the one 402 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: used in the shootings, so they brought the rifle to 403 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Walter Dandred, the firearms examiner at the a t F. 404 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: We test fire it in the water tank so that 405 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: we could recover the bullet in more or less a 406 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: pristine condition. On one end of that water tank, there's 407 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: a a shooting port. We stick the barrel in there 408 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: and we do take two shots. For comparative purposes, We'll 409 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: take those two projectiles that we just test fired, put 410 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: them on a comparison microscope, and put the evidence projectile 411 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: fragment on the microscope, and then look at those together. 412 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: If all of that is corresponding, then we will call 413 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: that an identification. Ballistics tests on the gun found inside 414 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: the sniper's car match the bullets and shell casings used 415 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: by the sniper. The rifle from the Capris was a match. 416 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: It was the weapon that had been used to kill 417 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: ten and injure three in the DC area. It was 418 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: the one used in Alabama as well, and those were 419 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: only the shootings that the police knew about. As investigators 420 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: searched the Caprice, they found more and more evidence, evidence 421 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: that connect the Snipers to crimes all across the nation. 422 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: Police also learned how the snipers got away with shootings 423 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: in broad daylight. They had modified the car so they 424 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: could fire a shot from inside without being seen. Today, 425 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: the snipers blue Chevy Caprice is kept by the National 426 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Museum. It's in a warehouse that is normally 427 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: inaccessible to the public. David Reichenbau met me there to 428 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: explain how the Snipers turned the car into a mobile 429 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: sniper outpost. The museum's collections manager, Laurence Sidney showed us 430 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: to the car. Still a little messy, but there it is. 431 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Whoa This is not a wastra, not the Sniper's Caprice. 432 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: Is a formidable car with navy blue matt paint. It 433 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: has dull hubcaps and dark tinted windows. It felt strange 434 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: to stand next to it, this car that the Snipers 435 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: had used to commit so many cold blooded acts of evil. 436 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Now the car sits in a museum warehouse under sterile 437 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: neon lights. It's been gutted, its seats torn apart by 438 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: the FBI when they searched for evidence, so they tore 439 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: everything out of it, so it's not exactly how it 440 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: was when they lived with it. That they certainly made 441 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: some strange modifications. Investigators found the car had been modified 442 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: into a killing machine, with the snipers shooting through a 443 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: hole in the trunk of the car. And we can 444 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: take a look at the trunk. So there it is, 445 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: there's the famous cut out just above the license plate. 446 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: The snipers had cut a jagged notch into the trunk 447 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: and opening just large enough to fit the end of 448 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: the rifle barrel sticks out here, tripod was here. They 449 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: had a brown glove that did shove through that hole. 450 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: With this trunk down and a brown glove shoved in there, 451 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: nobody noticed it. But the hole that the snipers carved 452 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: into the trunk was just the beginning To use the 453 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: weapon scope. The snipers would have needed to keep the 454 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: trunk lid slightly ajar, just enough for the site to 455 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: clear so they could get site picture down range. Anybody else, 456 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: your your trunk opens, it'll eventually creep up like that 457 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: because it's on spring. You don't want to do that 458 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: and be seen, So you hooked the bungee cord, the 459 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: one of little loops in here near the lock. That 460 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: way he could control it. So when he was done shooting, 461 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: you just pulled the trunk back down drove off. The 462 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: snipers also created the secret entrance into the trunk through 463 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: the backseat of the car, So the back seat pops 464 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: down and you just crawl in here to the back. 465 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: See that a little You see how they sort of 466 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: goes down. That's where the rifle was when we poured 467 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: it out of the car, so you wouldn't be able 468 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: to see the rifle. See the back seat. Rik and 469 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: Boss says that when they made the arrest, the car 470 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: was littered with evidence. They found two walkie talkies, maps 471 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: with locations of the shootings circled, and a note with 472 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: the task Force tip line numbere. It looked like a 473 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: car that somebody had been living in for a month. 474 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: It clearly smelled like body odor and trash. Just picture 475 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: the back seat, the driver's seat, floor filled full of 476 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: fast food containers and some of their personal belongings, close stevds, 477 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: some bags, and there were dated receipts and prepaid phone 478 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: cards that investigators could use to retrace the sniper steps. 479 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: The most important piece of evidence, though, was a laptop 480 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: computer that proved a treasure trove of information. Investigators learned 481 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: that the laptop had originally belonged to a man from Clinton, Maryland, 482 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: a man named Paul Larufa. When the snipers started randomly 483 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: shooting people, nobody said, oh, you know, this could be 484 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: related to what happened to Paul. Nobody had reason to 485 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: think that until they found my computer. My name is 486 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: Paul Larufa. My wife and I decided to do a 487 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: crazy thing like open a restaurant. So we did that 488 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: in so in two thousand and two, were in our 489 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: sixteenth year, and uh in September of that year is 490 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: when when it happened. What they say is the start 491 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: of everything. That they killed the five people in one 492 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: day really wasn't a start. That's when the whole panics 493 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: started for the next month, but it at least started 494 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: on the East coast when they me There have been 495 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: some recent developments in Lee Boy Malbo Supreme Court case 496 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: that our team is actively investigating. As a result, Episode 497 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: twelve will be released in two weeks. Next week, we 498 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: will release a bonus episode. It's a behind the scenes 499 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: look at the Monster series, and an update on Lee 500 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: Boy Malvo's case still to come this season on Monster 501 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: d C Sniper, they did have a three phase plan. 502 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: The first phase was to shoot five Caucasions per day. 503 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Phase two they were going to shoot a pregnant woman. 504 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: Washington was the first. There was Arizona. We don't know 505 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: anything about the Atlanta shooting, the on anything about the 506 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: next night shooting in Baton. Rouge Lee Malvo. When I 507 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: looked at him, I knew he was a victim. He 508 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: was a child who had been brainwashed. Do you have 509 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: him listen to tapes when he was falling asleep giving 510 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: him subliminal suggestions that there was essentially a war going 511 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: on between blacks and whites. At the end of the 512 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: Sooner View, I said, what was the motivation? Why did 513 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: you guys do this? And he looked at me and 514 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 1: he says, and I said, well, what does that mean? 515 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: The matrix and things of that nature were part of 516 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: the indoctrination. Well, that's someone like this loose. I think 517 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: anything you can't tell them here in Virginia something. It 518 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: doesn't save him. Okay, two minutes? Who did I do 519 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: believe he was brainwashed? For lack of a better term. 520 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: I get the feeling he agrees he has to pay 521 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: a price, but I don't know if he thinks he's 522 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: already paid it or not. I don't know the answer 523 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: to that, but I'd like to ask him. You know, 524 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: it's hard enough work in one murder and to have 525 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: these third team shootings just in our area, let alone, 526 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: what else went around the country. You know, we knew 527 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: it was going to be a monumental task. One of 528 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: the really most alarming moments was when Mohammed stood to 529 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: represent himself. We had never heard from Mohammed at that point, 530 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: and he stood up in court and started presenting a case. 531 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: Part of Mohammed's indoctrination was to decessitize lee to the violence, 532 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: to shootings. There's no amount of psychological coercion that would 533 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: force somebody to, let's say, kill, if they didn't already 534 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: have some kind of predisposition. Might he get out someday. 535 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: I'm convinced he will, but I don't know when that 536 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: time is. I remember feeling just basically shock and disblief 537 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: that he could have done this. He just looked so innocent. 538 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: How shocking, How shocking that a person who could commit 539 00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: such evil acts, could look like that. Yeah. Monster DC 540 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: Sniper is a fifteen episode podcast hosted by Tony Harris 541 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: and produced by iHeart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. Matt Frederick 542 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: and Alex Williams are executive producers on behalf of I 543 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, alongside producers Trevor Young, Ben Kiebrick, and Josh 544 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: Than Payne. 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