1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump is calling for the 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: release of all the January sixth rioters. We have a 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: fascinating show today. Activist actress movie star Jane Fonda stops 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: by to talk to us about the candidates she's supporting 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: and the mid terms. Then the Princeton Election Consortium's Sam 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: Wang talks to us about what he's seeing in the polls. 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: But first we have the author of kill Switch, Adam Gentlesen. 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Adam Gentlesen. Hi, guys, Hi Molly. 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Nevada first, because you 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: worked for Harry Reid and this must just be making 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: you nuts. But let's just talk about Nevada first. Let's 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: do it's happening in Nevada. First thing I'll do is 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: correct your your pronunciation Nevada. I'm sorry, what is happening Nevada. 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: I'll be obnoxious about it. He had Cortez master on 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: and she was like Nevada. When I worked for him, 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: I had to be a stickler about it. So I 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: don't work for him. Anymore, so I don't really care. 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: But yes, what's happening to Vada is that there's a 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: lot of folks will say, you know, it's always important 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: to caveat looking at the early vote, and I think 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: that's true for a lot of states. I think in 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: most states the early vote doesn't tell you a lot 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: because you never know how people's voting patterns change, and 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, the way people vote in a lot of 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: different states change cycle to cycle. Novada is a little 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: bit different because early voting has long been established there 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: as his male and voting, and people are used to 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: using it, and most of the state votes early in 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: most election cycles, and so people have gotten very, very 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: good at reading what the early vote means and and 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: deciphering the tea leaves. Uh. And you've got great reporters 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: out there like John Ralston who have sort of, you know, 35 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: made a profession out of parsing these these tea leaves 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: and drawing conclusions. And so all that is to say, 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: it is probably one of the few states where I 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: would I would say it is is actually worth looking 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: at the early vote because you really can draw some 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: firm conclusions, and the conclusions we can draw this time 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: are sharky emoji. We don't know. Look, I I will 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: say it's not as good for Democrats as it has 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: been in the past. You know what they have in 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: nevative We have this thing called the Clark Firewall. So 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: Clark County is the is the most populous county. It's 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: the county that include Las Vegas and suburbs. Typically, what 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: happens during early vote is Democrats like to build up 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: a substantial lead. Democrats are tend to be better at 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Republicans at banking early votes. Democrats generally tend to early 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: vote more than Republicans. And so you know the sort 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: of quote unquote read machine as it's known. Um. A 52 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: big part of what it does is it banks a 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: ton of early votes and tries to build a substantial 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: lead so that on election Day, even if there's high 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Republican turnout, they've got a big lead to go on. Now, 56 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: so that's that's what we know, is the and we 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: call the Clark Firewall because most of that lead comes 58 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: from Clark County. This year, it does not look like 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: there's a very big fire all. Now, I will covey 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: that by saying it changes literally hour to hour because 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: these votes arrive in batches, and even someone who follows 62 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: as closely as a guy like John Ralston will you know, 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: put up a post in the middle in the afternoon, 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: and then a few hours later another batch of votes 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: will appear and have to update the post and say, oops, 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: actually it turns out that it's better for Democrats than 67 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: we thought. And so what's been happening over the last 68 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. It's not been looking great. And then 69 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: new batches of votes have been appearing. And I don't 70 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: want to imply anything nefarious. This is just how they're 71 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: delivered by the postal service, and it shifts the analysis. 72 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: Where things stand right now is that Democrats have a um, 73 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: a bit of a lead. Is not as big as 74 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: it has been in the past. Um, it might be 75 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: enough for them to survive, but but we don't know, 76 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: right But who knows? UM? So let's talk about what 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: I actually wanted to have you here on. And Jesse 78 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: just texted me about this because he is Actually my 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: brain was what Democrats can do in the lame duck. Well, 80 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: they can do anything they want, really, and they should 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: they should sometimes in lame should they do in the 82 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: lame duck more important life. Sometimes you get this sort 83 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: of um, we don't give a funk anymore attitude in 84 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: a lame duck, especially if you have lost in the election. Uh, 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: if you've lost your majority, because you know, a lot 86 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: of this sort of cautiousness that you had earlier in 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: the year was because you were afraid to do things 88 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: because you thought they might hurt you in the election. Well, 89 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: now the election is over. If you've lost the majority, 90 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, this is your last gas in power, so 91 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: you should do as much as you can. So what 92 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I think they should do is eliminate the debt ceiling. 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: I think that the biggest thing they could do is 94 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: to take that crisis off the table, because if they don't, 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is early next year. We don't 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: know exactly when there will be a debt limit crisis, 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: especially if Republicans take back at least the House. This, 98 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: of course, is the you know, I'm sure your viewers 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: are from your listeners are familiar with it. We have 100 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: not had one of these debt limit crises where you've 101 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: had a divided government since two thousand eleven, and it 102 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: is an extremely dangerou this situation. I was there in 103 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: even the last time we had one that really went 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: down to the wire. This was when it really shook 105 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the markets. America's credit was downgraded as a result, even 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: though we didn't quite breach it, we came right up 107 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: to the edge. And there were a fair number of 108 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Republican members of Congress back in two thousand eleven who 109 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: were perfectly willing to breach the limit and push the 110 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: country into default. And their numbers have only grown and 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: their power has only grown since then. And I am 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: very much convinced that Republicans will be willing to push 113 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: America into default once we reach that crisis. Even if 114 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy doesn't want to, he won't have the power 115 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: to stop them. And so I think the most important 116 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: thing that Democrats can do in the Lame Duck is 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: to just take that off the table, whether it's by 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: raising it a bunch um to push the crisis out 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: several years, whether it's you know, minting the platinum coin 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: that people talk about using the fourteenth Membment. I don't 121 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: really care how they do it. I'm not a stickler 122 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: on that thing, but I think they should do it somehow. Otherwise, 123 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: were in a whole heap of trouble early next year. Also, 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: now let's talk about there's more than that if Republicans 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: take the House. I think it's important that we just 126 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: say if they're going to do a lot of crazy ship. 127 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: One of the other questions I had was can they 128 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: do something to protect democracy? Can they do something to 129 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: protect voting? Can you can they do something to protect 130 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: the way votes are counted? I mean they can do 131 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: anything they want. I mean they can pass HR one, 132 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, the bill that that failed in January UM 133 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: and I think they should, but they'd have to get 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: rid of the filibuster. For that, they would have to 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: get rid of the filibuster, which I'm not sure you 136 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: want to do right before you hand it over to 137 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: someone else. We are now speaking theoretically here. Yeah, that's true, 138 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: and I think there'll be a lot of hesitation to 139 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: do that. You could also do pair down versions of 140 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: those that you might be able to get fifty votes 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: for within the caucus, or you know, they're they're voting 142 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: rights can't be done through reconciliation. So if you're gonna 143 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: do voting rights, you have to do it with either 144 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: getting rid of the filibuster, or through a narrow exception, 145 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: although I think exceptions are sort of um a fig leaf, 146 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and and Republicans won't consider it narrow they take over. 147 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've always said that the worst case 148 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: scenario when it comes to the filibuster will be for 149 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: Democrats to not do a bunch of things that they 150 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: could have done when they were in power, because they 151 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: left the filibuster in place, thinking that when they are 152 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: in the minority they'll be able to use the filibuster 153 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: to block Republicans from doing bad things. But then Republicans 154 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: just get rid of the filibuster anyway or ignore it. 155 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: Very likely scenario exactly. I think, unfortunately, we might be 156 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: headed for that scenario. The one thing I would say 157 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: about if you did get rid of the filibuster in 158 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: the lame dock and you passed everything you know before 159 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: you run out before the clock runs out on January three, 160 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: and you lose the majority, if in fact they lose 161 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: the majority, um, the one thing I'd say is you 162 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: always have President Biden for the next two years to 163 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: to veto. I mean, the Republicans could pass whatever they want, 164 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: but as long as there's a Democrat in the White House, 165 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: that's your backstop. I think the idea that the filibuster 166 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: will provide a backstop is is not going to play out. 167 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: I think Republicans won't let it block anything that they truly, deeply, 168 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: really want to do. UM. So it's really about keeping 169 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: at least one House of Congress and or the White House, 170 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: and that's your backstop. What else can happen in the 171 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Lame Duck that like you think should happen besides the 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: dead's heiling. What's gonna happen is that the Defense Bill 173 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: is going to be the main vehicle and everything is 174 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: going to ride on that. But you can stick whatever 175 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: you want into the bill. There's they traditionally are what 176 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, what we call Christmas trees, even even when 177 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: it's out of season, so you can put what everyone 178 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: on it. One thing I think they're likely to do 179 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: is bring back up this permitting reform bill UM that failed, 180 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: which I think people have pretty strong views on both sides. 181 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: I tend to fall on the side of of doing 182 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: it UM. There are very reliable studies that show that 183 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: most of the climate related gains in terms of you know, 184 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: fighting climate change that that are to be realized from 185 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: the pieces of legislation that we've passed in the last 186 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: two years. Most of the need this permitting reform built 187 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: to pass in order for those gains to be fully realized. 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: Some environmentalists don't love it because it would involve some 189 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, fossil fuel production. Um. But I think on 190 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: balance it is very Uh. It is a net positive 191 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: when it comes to finding climate change, and a very 192 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: big net positive. So that's one thing I think we'll see, 193 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: um them do. Look you've got they could codify ROW again. 194 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: That's a filibuster issue. They could pass some of the 195 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: pieces that fell out of build back better, like the 196 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: childcare tax credit. That can be done through reconciliation. You 197 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: don't need to to reform the filibuster to do that. 198 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: That's another big one. You know, when that was in place, 199 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: it slash child poverty by around a third, and then 200 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: it expired, um, and you know, child poverty is spiked. 201 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: So I think they should pass it so that we 202 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: can go back to reducing child poverty instead of increasing it. Um. 203 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Manchin was the one who killed that one, 204 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: and I think there's probably a compromise that can be 205 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: reached with him that would be a really great thing 206 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: to do before the end of the year, especially in 207 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: the holiday season, and you don't have to do that one. Yeah, 208 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: let's let's children here, not a bad thing to do 209 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: during the holidays. So I'm not sure there's any Republican 210 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: appetite for that, because why would there by? Yeah, but 211 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: that one you can do with just Democratic votes, and 212 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: you can do it with a reconciliation vehicle that will 213 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: still be available until the end of the year. I 214 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: want to ask you about sort of where we are 215 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: right now and what you think Democrats should be doing it, 216 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: and more importantly, how they should be messaging. I think 217 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: that one of the things that Democrats should take away 218 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: from this election is that we really do need a consistent, strong, 219 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: and compelling economic message, and it has to be one 220 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: that captures a lot of the anger that people feel 221 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: right now, which is very valid. I think Democrats found 222 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: themselves in the last year or so often in the 223 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: in the you know, politically not advisable position of sort 224 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: of telling voters that they should be less angry than 225 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: they were, that they weren't appreciating all the great things 226 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: we had passed. And I've been on the other side 227 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: of that. I appreciate how frustrating it it is to 228 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: pass a lot of you know, truly incredible legislation and 229 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: not have voters know that you passed it um or 230 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, appreciate the benefits and but you know what, 231 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: that's life and that's politics. We do tend to get 232 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: caught up, as Democrats in this sort of laundry list 233 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: style messaging where we list all the things we did, 234 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: rather than speaking to people on an emotional gut level 235 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: about how they view the world and how they see 236 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: the economy as you know, an emotional issue and and 237 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: that emotion that a lot of people feels anger and 238 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: our our message too often comes across as telling people 239 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be angry, they shouldn't be upset, they shouldn't 240 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, their life is more disappointing than 241 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: they wanted it to be, and they're looking for a 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, an explanation for that. We need to get 243 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: better at explaining people why that is. Um. I think 244 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: a lot of that has to test to run through, 245 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, a sort of populous message. That isn't that 246 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: isn't you know, xenophobic, that isn't about excluding other people, 247 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: but It is about talking of people who feel very 248 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: angry right now about an economy where inequality is extraordinarily 249 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: devastating fact of life for millions of people, where you know, 250 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: corporations really have shifted from a model of you know, 251 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: giving back to their community and having a bigger picture 252 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: of prosperity in mind to just exclusively, you know, doing 253 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the bidding of their shareholders and maximizing profits for their shareholders. 254 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, these are true facts, and they have real 255 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: impacts on people's lives, and we need to be more 256 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: aggressive about articulating this to people because that does do 257 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: something to capture this anger. If if we're out there, 258 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, talking to an angry population telling them not 259 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: to be angry and that they should rather just appreciate 260 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: all the great things we've done for them, that's just 261 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: not going to be a winning message. This sounds to 262 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: me like a sort of failure of Democrats to be 263 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: able to bridge the gap between working people and unions. 264 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: This is a question as much as anything. Yeah, I 265 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: think I think that's right, and you know, look, I 266 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: also think sort of in the way this plays out 267 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: in inter party conversations that it's it is often we 268 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: have to stop fighting the primary as a party, you know, 269 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of what I when I say this 270 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: to people, they're like, oh, you're a Bernie Sanders guy. 271 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not a Bernie Sanders guy. I 272 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: am a Democratic Party guy. I like everybody. I like 273 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. I also like Hillary Clinton, you know, I 274 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren. I also like Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders 275 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: has a very strong economic message and if you can 276 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: sort of you know, listen to the words and model 277 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the words, and you know, some people are turned off 278 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: by the baggage that he has. You know, I think 279 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: we should nevertheless really think about why his message was 280 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: so powerful to so many people, including people who were 281 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: sort of non traditional voters outside the Democratic Party, that 282 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: we need to do better with No I agree. And 283 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: I just want to say one other thing, which is 284 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I do feel like when we have this one party 285 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: just not give a fuck about working people, right, they 286 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. Like there's a reason that all 287 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: these billionaires give millions and millions of dollars Republican Party, 288 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: and its beak be cause of a state tax. I mean, 289 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: even you know it's a state tax. It's taxation. And 290 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: in fact, you're even seeing this more and more with 291 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, you know Ted Cruse, my my man Ted Cruz, 292 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: who always says the quiet part laud is like abolish 293 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: the I R s right, abolished the this is what 294 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: they know what that's what their donors want. So like 295 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: the fact that Democrats can't explain that, like this is 296 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: the party that wants to give rich people a break 297 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: and Democrats that's the party that wants to help you 298 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: working people, is like such a profound failure on the 299 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: part of all of us, right right, And I think 300 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people right now are a little frustrated that, 301 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 1: you know, voters aren't don't seem to be caring about 302 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: the failure of our democracy per se, but you know, 303 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: and that they're that voters prize the economy over this 304 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: sort of more abstract thing of the failure of our democracy. 305 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: But that's an opportunity for us. We shouldn't be frustrated 306 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: about that. We should seize the opportunity to drive home 307 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: are very strong economic message that also happens to be 308 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: the truth, and rather than sort of be frustrated about it, 309 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: we should say this is our economic message is so 310 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: much more powerful than Republicans because we are actually the 311 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: party of working people and they are actually the party 312 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: of plutocrats and the very wealthy, and everything they do 313 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: is done in order to give more benefits and shovel 314 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: more money towards the people who are already wealthy. So 315 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: rather than be frustrated by this, we should embrace it 316 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and just drive a mack truck through that opening, and 317 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, seize it as an opportunity and just really 318 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: get get together and stop being divided in this sort 319 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: of Bernie versus Hillary, you know, redux that we just 320 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: get caught up in and and because I think at 321 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we all believe the same things, 322 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: and we really do believe this message. And sometimes you 323 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: hear Joe Biden deliver it and it's it doesn't quite 324 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: feel like he's his heart is really in it, but 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: he is so good when he does it. And so 326 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: that's where we need to just sort of go forward 327 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: as a as a party and just fully embrace that 328 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and drive it forward. Obama has been doing it in 329 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: his appearances lately for candidates and doing it very effectively, 330 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's something we can model. Who do 331 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: you see if stars of this psite goal coming out. 332 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Anybody who wins, let's talk look environment, you know, but 333 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: look Warnock, I think is is a massive star. I 334 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: think if he wins, we should we should really be 335 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: thinking about him for for bigger roles, for for national roles. Um. 336 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I think if John Federman pulls it off of Pennsylvania, 337 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, we should be thinking about what it is 338 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: about him that allowed him to endure over a hundred 339 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of attack ads. I mean, people say, 340 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Sapiro will probably win by more, but 341 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Joshapiro had the only opponent in a statewide race who 342 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: didn't spend basically any money against him. So, you know, 343 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: Federman weather to a a hundred million dollars in attacks, and 344 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: that's that's something. There's something there if if if he 345 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: pulls it off folks like that, if if they win 346 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: in a in a difficult national environment, having weathered you 347 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: know so much incoming and Republican attacks, we should really 348 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: ask them how they did it and and use them 349 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: as models moving forward. Thank you so much, Adam, Absolutely great, 350 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: great to start to you. Jane Fonda is an actress 351 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: known for countless roles. And an act of and the 352 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: founder of the Jane Fonda Climate Pack. Welcome to Fast Politics, 353 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. 354 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. I have been wanting 355 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: to have you for such a long time, since you 356 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: started doing the fire drought protests. Can you talk to 357 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: us a little bit about how you decided to do 358 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: these fire droll protests or It was Labor Day of 359 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and I was very depressed because I knew 360 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing enough given that I have a big platform. 361 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: And I decided that I wanted to go to Washington 362 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and camp out in front of the White House and 363 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: protest for a year. And I called Annie Leonard, who 364 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: is the executive director of Greenpeace USA, and I told 365 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: her I wanted to do that, but I was concerned. 366 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of camping in the wilderness, but 367 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: I was concerned about pooping in the city. How do 368 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: you She said, don't to worry, because camping is now illegal. 369 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: You can't do that, but there may be some other ideas. 370 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: And the next day she arranged a conference call with herself, 371 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: the author and activist Naomi Klein, and Bill mckibbon, founder 372 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: of Three fifty Work, and we decided as a group 373 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: to sort of copy what was done in the eighties 374 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: as a protest against apartheid. There was actually that one 375 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: was a daily civil disobedience in front of the South 376 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: African Embassy. We decided to have it near the capitol 377 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: and do it every Friday the way the students did. 378 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: As long as the students approved that, I could also 379 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: do something on Friday. And that's what we decided to do. 380 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: And it became fired Drill Fridays, based on Greta Tunberg 381 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: saying our houses on fire and this is not a drill, 382 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: this is an emergency. And we decided to use civil 383 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: disobedience because historically that's what's changed history, whether it was 384 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: Gandhi and India, Martin Luther King and young activists in 385 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: the South sitting in the lunch counters, the tea party 386 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: in Boston, the beginning of our founding as a country, 387 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: and so forth. And it worked. The first Friday, I 388 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: think there were fourteen people arrested. In the last Friday, 389 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: over nine hundred people were arrested. And the goal of 390 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: fired Rille Fridays was to reach the seventy percent of 391 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: Americans or who are concerned about climate but hadn't taken 392 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: any action, and it worked. People began coming from all 393 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: over the country to engage in civil disobedience with me. 394 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: They've never done it before, and we when COVID hit, 395 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: we took it online and a few weeks ago we 396 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: had our eleven million viewer across all platforms. So it 397 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: continues to be a successful program that is now part 398 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: of Greenpeace, and we've trained people to how to call 399 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: their elected officials, how to lobby, how to visit their 400 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: elected officials in their home offices, writing letters, joining various 401 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: campaigns to get out the vote. It's been good. But 402 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: then we saw bill after bill, both both federally with 403 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: the Build Back Better Bill, which was the bill that 404 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: we needed to confront the climate crisis, and statewide here 405 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: in California. There were so many climate bills that were 406 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: so good that were killed by people in the legislature 407 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: or Congress and the Senate who were taking money from 408 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry. I mean, the most egregious example 409 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: is Joe Mansion, but there are many of others, and 410 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: a lot of them are moderate Democrats, and so we 411 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: decided that what we had to do was to elect 412 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: climate champions signed the No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge and 413 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: try to get them elected to office and get the 414 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: people who were obstructionists who were pro fossil fuels out, 415 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: because somebody that's gonna take money from the fossil fuel 416 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: industry right now, given what we know, is somebody who's 417 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: probably also anti raised the mirimum wage and anti Joyce, etcetera. 418 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: People who are standing up for the climate tend to 419 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: be people who vote for a woman's right to choose 420 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: whether or not to get pregnant a woman's They tend 421 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: to be humanitarian generally across the board. Yeah, I think 422 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: that's right. I went to one of the climate change events. Yeah, 423 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: it was amazing and very moving. Those are in d C. 424 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: In d C. When you were doing it in d C, 425 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: which one it was, I can't remember who it was, 426 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: who you had with you, but it was really interesting 427 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: and moving and you got arrested five times, right, Yeah, 428 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: And I couldn't keep getting arrested because after a certain 429 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: number of times then you get put in jail for 430 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: many months. I got a contract to continue making Grace 431 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: and Frankie, so I couldn't do that four months. Yeah, 432 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: you've been this activist consistently throughout your life and your career. 433 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: Doesn't it give you a certain like good feeling that 434 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: you have been on the forefront of this for such 435 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: a long time, or does it just frustrate you? Oh? 436 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't get frustrated. Really, I get I get angry, 437 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: but I try to play the long game. I think 438 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: what we're up against is a mindset that has developed 439 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: over millennia and this is not going to be changed quickly. 440 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: People often ask me, because I've been involved as an 441 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: activist for a long time, well, is it any easier 442 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: now that we have social media? And yes, it's easier 443 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: to call a demonstration because you can reach so many 444 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: people easily, But no, when it comes to building a movement, 445 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: you can't build a movement with Twitter and Instagram. You 446 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: you have to be on the ground year after year 447 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: after year. And it takes a movement to change anything important. 448 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: Things don't change quickly, and I just think young people 449 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: tend to be more impatient to think it's going to 450 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: happen faster, and those of us who have seen for 451 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: decades things happen and then they move back, and then 452 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: they move forward, and then what you think can never 453 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: happen has in fact been growing under the radar and 454 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: then suddenly sprouts and appears above the surface and seemed 455 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: to be sudden, but it was really moving in that 456 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: direction for a long time. So I try to understand, 457 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: this is not even a marathon, it's a relay. I'll 458 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: be gone soon and I'll pass the torch to younger people, 459 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So one of the things that 460 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: you're doing is you're starting this pack. Will you explain 461 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: to us what it is and what it does. Well, 462 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: let's call the Jane Fonda Climate Pack, and what it 463 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: does specifically. And in this it's very unusual. We're trying 464 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: to break the stranglehold of the fossil fuel industry has 465 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: on our government, federal, state, and local governments. And we 466 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: try to do that by electing climate champions to replace 467 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: pro fossil fuel Republicans and Democrats, because moderate Democrats take 468 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: money from fossil fuels just as much or more than 469 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Republicans do. I mean, Senator Joe mentioned has become a 470 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: multi millionaire are off of coal, and that's why he 471 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: fights so hard to maintain it and please the fossil 472 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: fuel industry. A lot of very important green groups can't 473 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: do this because they work with lobbyists, and they work 474 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: with moderate Democrats, and and so they don't want to 475 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: alienate anybody. Or maybe they have investors on their board 476 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: who invest in fossil fuels, etcetera. But we're not part 477 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: of a bigger organization. We have this sole focus. And 478 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: because we're a new pack, we don't have a whole 479 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: lot of money. We don't have enough money to make 480 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: a difference in senate races, for example, or gubernatorial races 481 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: necessarily much less presidential. But it's really great that we've 482 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: been forced to support down ballot candidates, because what I'm 483 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: discovering is that down ballot offices have tremendous power when 484 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: it comes to the climate. I'll give you an example. 485 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: In Texas, there's the Railroad Commission. It was originally created 486 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: to regulate the railroad, but when tech, when Texas' main 487 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: industry became oil and gas, the Railroad Commission got shifted 488 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: to be overseeing and regulating the fossil fuel industry. But 489 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: they didn't change the name, I think deliberately so that 490 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: people wouldn't pay a lot of attention because historically the 491 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: three commissioners on the Railroad Commission have worked for the 492 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: fossil fuel industry. It's like the fox guarding the chicken coop, 493 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: and consequently nothing much gets done. The anti flaring legislation 494 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: passed by a Republican legislature in Texas is not enforced 495 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: because of who is sitting on the Railroad Commission. They 496 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: didn't weatherize the grill even after two years ago over 497 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: seven people froze to death. But a young progressive Democrat 498 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: is running to be a railroad commissioner. It can make 499 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: all the difference in the world. That's just one example. 500 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: The Public Land Commissioner Stephanie Garcia Richard in Mexico. She's 501 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: signed a contract to bring the largest wind farm in 502 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: the Western Hemisphere to New Mexico. And she's stay ending 503 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: up to the fossil fuel industry and getting them to 504 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: cap their orphan wells which can become very toxic, or 505 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: pay and she's brought hundreds of millions of dollars into 506 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: New Mexico that she's put into poor school districts and 507 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: health clinics and things like that. So it's been a 508 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: joy for me to travel to these states and work 509 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: with these mostly very young and mostly women and very 510 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: often Latina women who are the first the first woman, 511 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: the first Latina to be this in this office or 512 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: that office, or Dana Nesso first Attorney general, and who's 513 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: a woman in Michigan. I mean, it's very exciting and 514 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: it's filled me with hope. Yeah, I'll say I think 515 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: that setting up a pack is a way that liberals 516 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: can sort of fight Republicans on their turf, right, Yeah, 517 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: but it's important to know that we're we're we're trying 518 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: to replace some of the Democrats who have prevented good 519 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: legislation from passing. Yeah, exactly, not Republicans. You have actually 520 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: a really good blog on your site which I was 521 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: reading about, and you talk about going to Texas and 522 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: have they really not fixed the grid in Texas at all? 523 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And this is the second time that the grid has 524 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: collapsed because of extreme weather, and they didn't repair it 525 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: the first time and they haven't done it this last time. 526 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: And I met with a whole bunch a couple of 527 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: dozen people in public housing who dot who have relatives 528 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: who died, and whose apartments ceilings caved in, walls caved 529 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: in when pipes burst and ice began to form in 530 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: living rooms, and even still today these apartments, when you're 531 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: poor and a person of color, they don't get help. 532 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: The apartments still haven't been repaired, whereas on the other 533 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: side of the tracks and the rich white community, they 534 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: got their power back within hours, if not days. This 535 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: is called environmental racism. And you write about that. So wow, 536 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: and in such an interesting way. What are you looking 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: at now? So you're looking at the grid in Texas 538 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: and this railroad commission. You're talking two people in New Mexico. 539 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean New Mexico seems to me like to be 540 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: a pretty promising state for democrats. I hope, So, I 541 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: hope we can what we have. Yeah, yeah, And I'm 542 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: just curious where else are you seeing like this sort 543 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: of climate activism? Younger candidates that you're interested in involved with. Well, Michigan, 544 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: the Attorney general there has a lot of power and 545 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: has really been brave in terms of confronting the Mbridge 546 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: oil pipeline that they want to put embed and rock 547 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the straits of Mackinac or Florida 548 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: or Pennsylvania. I mean, there's a lot of places we're 549 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: endorsing many, many scores of candidates all across the country 550 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: who have signed the no Fossil Fuel Money Pledge and 551 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: have taken a public, very courageous public stand. And when 552 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: you're an elected official in an oil or gas producing state, 553 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of guts and it takes a 554 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: lot of strategy to walk that fine line to keep 555 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: getting elected, but also to keep standing up to the 556 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: oil coume pannies. And that's what we have to what 557 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: we have to support. We have little over seven years 558 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: to cut our fossil fuel emissions in half, and we're 559 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: moving in the wrong direction. And this country, the world 560 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: can't become about how to be resilient in the face 561 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: of climate catastrophe. I mean, we do have to do that, 562 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: but it can't just be about resilience. It has to 563 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: about being Hey, guys, let's if we're bailing out a 564 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: sinking boat. We have to plug the hole. We can't 565 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: just keep trying to bail out the water but not 566 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: plug the hole. And that means no new fossil fuel 567 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: infrastructure and phasing out gradually until mid century of the 568 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: use of fossil fuels altogether. When when the green sustainable 569 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: economy becomes at scale, then we can totally get off 570 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: fossil fuel. That can't happen right away, but all of 571 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: it has to be done what's called a just transition. 572 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: We have to be sure that the fossil fuel workers 573 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: it's not their fault that we're facing a climate crisis. 574 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: They have to be ensured that they can transition from 575 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: jobs in the fossil fuel industry to other jobs that 576 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: they're training and paid equitably. The fossil fuel industry pays 577 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: union wages for the most part, and the alternatives the 578 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: green energy sector doesn't, and we have to change that. Yeah, 579 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: that's a really important point. And I think that your 580 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: focus on equity is really It's so interesting to me 581 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: because like when Russia invaded Ukraine, my first thought was like, okay, 582 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: now we really have to focus on renewables, and this 583 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: sort of media narrative was we gotta get more nuclear 584 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, and it is infuriating because it 585 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: is small portable nuclear reactors are not as good as 586 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: solution as a renewable and it's just crazy to me. Yeah, well, 587 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not somebody that's going to tout the value 588 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: of any kind of nuclear energy. I'm being you remember 589 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the China syndrome that that said nuclear plants that already 590 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: exist and that are shown to be safe should be 591 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: allowed to continue because as they do, create a clean 592 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: bridge clean if you don't think about the nuclear waste, 593 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: which we is a problem, especially when the sea levels 594 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 1: are rising and we have hurricanes and these nuclear plants 595 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: that are close to the shore are in danger. But 596 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: building new nuclear plants, no, I'm sorry. First of all, 597 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: they take too long. We don't have time wait, but 598 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: they always there's cost over runs and time over runs. 599 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: They take years, and also they use so much water 600 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: at a time when water is gold. We're running out 601 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: of water. So let's not be profligate with our turn 602 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: to nuclear energy. Let's just keep the ones online that 603 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: are safe and already exists, but not spend a lot 604 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: of money building new ones because they won't matter, they 605 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: won't happen in time, and we need the water. So 606 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: what are you doing next? Acting wise, I haven't a 607 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: fuzzy rats ass, have no idea. I have no idea 608 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: when I have three movies coming out. Last year I 609 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: made three movies, so I kind of want to spend 610 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: the next year or so with the climate activism. Then 611 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: we're going back to d C live and in person 612 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: on December two. Fantastic. Maybe I'll come down. Yeah, it's 613 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: gonna be great. It's gonna be okay, what did the 614 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: election mean for the climate and what does climate activism 615 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: look like in the next two years between between November 616 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: and when we're going to elect the president and so 617 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be an important one. We're not going 618 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: to engage in civil disobedience just because of the times 619 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: when the concern and the January six stuff and the 620 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: Capitol police and everything. But it's going to be a 621 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We're going to have a New Orleans 622 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: marching band performing and it'll be good. Fantastic. Jane, thank 623 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. I'm so thrilled. We 624 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: rarely have celebrities because this is a politics podcast, but 625 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: you are, like just have been such an important activist 626 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: and it is so it's just fantastic to have you 627 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: and it's really an honor. So thank you, Thank you 628 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: for existing. Sam Wang is a scientist at the Princeton 629 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: Election Consortium. Welcome to Fast Politics, Sam Wang. Hey, they're fast. 630 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: This is your first Fast Politics yes, I'm following you 631 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: around first to your different platform. I joined Mastered on yesterday, 632 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: so I'm following you all over the place. I'm like 633 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: a deadhead. Tell us, just for those of us who 634 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: are not as well versed, what you do. You're a 635 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: scientist or Princeton and you run this thing called the 636 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: Princeton Election Projects explained for us. Yeah, so over at 637 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: election dot Princeton dot E d U. I'm a pole aggregator. 638 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, everybody does it now, I'm one of the 639 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: ones who is not named Nate who does it. So 640 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: there's Nate Silver, Nate Cone shawan trendy, there's all kinds 641 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: of It's a whole industry now. But I've been doing 642 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: it since I don't know, two thousand four. It's taking 643 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: the polls, aggregating them, understanding the structure of modern politics, 644 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: and taking a guess of where we are now. My 645 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: flavor of it is I what I really like to 646 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: do is translate that into understanding where voters are most 647 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: powerful personally, like where on a per vote basis, where 648 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: the most influential voters And you know, where would you 649 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: want to drive people to the polls or where would 650 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: you like to give money and so for me, it's 651 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: this whole industry, but my version of it. Over at 652 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: the Princeton Election Consortium is trying to find places where 653 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: people can be powerful. You can actually tell our listeners 654 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: what they should be doing right now. By the our 655 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: listeners are Democrats. In case you're wondering who would like 656 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: democracy to continue, which is most Democrats. I think those 657 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: are not exactly the same people. There are people who 658 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: are not Democrats who also like democracy. So like Liz Cheney, 659 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: Adam Kinzigger, right, you can name them on one hand. Yeah, 660 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: but they're important. They're they're Americans and they like democracy. Listen, 661 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: I love them. I wish there were more of them. 662 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: People should find someplace near them where there's a competitive 663 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: race and help get people out to vote. Here in 664 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: New Jersey, there is a competitive district north of me. 665 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: It's the seventh District where Tom Alonowski is trying to 666 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: hang onto a seat. I'm not too far from Pennsylvania, 667 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: so over the river there's a Senate seat in case 668 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: you haven't noticed that where Oprah has now laid down 669 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: her marker. Right, So Oprah has abandoned her favorite doctor 670 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: moment Oz and she's now endorsed John Fetterman, and that 671 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: Senate race is going to be down to the wire 672 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: and it could be the one that determines who controls 673 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: the Senate. So people should be going out there and 674 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: looking for places to make a difference. Last night I 675 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: was thinking about Oprah, like lying in bed in our 676 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: mansion in Montecito, going like, oh shit, I have to 677 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: endorse Fetterman, right like you. I mean that must have 678 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: been like I cannot have a doctor oz on my conscience. 679 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, he was so fun at the beginning, right, 680 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: he was like this incredible heart surgeon who had like 681 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: who let racky healers into the operating room. But he 682 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: also developed the left of ventricular assist device that sounded 683 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: pretty good. And then you know, and then he turned 684 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: into a supplement seller and so just he's really he's 685 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: he's changed a lot. Yeah. I mean, he operated my 686 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: father in law, as I always listeners in this podcast 687 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: will know, and was a mention until he wasn't talk 688 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: to me about why all these polls are wrong all 689 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: the time. They can't help it. So these posters are 690 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: trying to do their best, and you've got nonpartisan polsters, 691 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: you've got partisan posters. That's like trafalgar. Are the partisan posters? Right, Yeah, 692 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: that's right trafalgar. But even the partisan posters are actually 693 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: attempting to make a measurement. They're trying to do something. 694 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: On average, they do better as a group than they 695 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: do individually, but as a group they can still be off. 696 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: And so the best we can say right now is 697 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: it's possible to identify, um about seven races that are 698 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: going to be within five points either way in the Senate, 699 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: and so we know where they are. And those seven 700 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: races are close to tide. Some of them aren't going 701 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: to be that close to tide by the time the 702 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: votes are counted, but we don't know which ones, and 703 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: so the posters are doing their best. And uh, and 704 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: if you think about how much power of voter has 705 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: those seven states are where if you care about the 706 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: Senate and you care about say judges, or you care 707 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: about I don't know, government shutdowns or impeachment, these seven 708 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: states are going to be important. New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia, 709 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Wisconsin. And that hasn't changed all season, even 710 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,479 Speaker 1: though the polls drift around a little bit it's still 711 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: those half dozen states. So what are you seeing. The 712 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: remarkable thing right now is that, right now, as of 713 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: the moment that we're recording this, there are four races 714 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: where the median margin between the two candidates is less 715 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: than one point, which means that you know, it's not 716 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: going to be within a point probably, But New Hampshire 717 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: looks like a tie right now. Battle looks like a tie. Yeah, 718 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: New Hampshire looks like a tie, which is not Sorry, 719 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: I know you're not used to this, but yeah, here 720 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: here here at Princeton, we we drow f bombs occasionally, 721 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: but that was a good one. But yeah. So the 722 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: thing is like Maggie Hassan and Dan Boldock are currently 723 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: about tied, and so that's the race. It could go 724 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: either way. And what this means is Democrats could end 725 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: up with I would say, as few as forty six 726 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: seats in the Senate. They could end up with as 727 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: many as fifty four seats in the Senate. I think 728 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: that any outcome in that range is possible at this moment. Wow, 729 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: that is unbelievable. Arizona is close, and New Hampshire is close. 730 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: Nevada is close. Um, but you know, on the other 731 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: side of the point. Ohio and Pennsylvania are also close, 732 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: and I think that people are watching this closely. We're 733 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: not necessarily expecting Ohio to be that close. Yeah, no, 734 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean it does seem to me like Tim Ryan 735 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: has run the kind of like perfect campaign that we 736 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: dream of Democrats running in red states, like a campaign 737 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: about kitchen table issues, a campaign that's not about the 738 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: national Party like that, that kind of thing. Yeah. Well, 739 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: and also just he speaks to people. He is a 740 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: strong candidate. One thing about the Republican side is that 741 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: they've run some kind of problematic candidates this year. Yeah, 742 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: as Mitch mcconny al says, candidate quality, Yes, and if 743 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: one conscious of the numbers, they appear to be running 744 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: a few points behind where a generic Republican would be running. 745 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: And so people like Jade Vance, Herschel Walker, Blake Masters, Mementos, 746 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah they're yeah, Blake Masters, they're running a few points 747 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: behind where a generic Republican could run, and so that's 748 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: to their disadvantage. But then it you know, it looks 749 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: like it's going to it should be a good Republican year. 750 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: And so those are the two major forces, right, I mean, that. 751 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: I think it's an important thing to go back to, 752 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: which we're not talking about really enough when we talk 753 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: about these mid terms, is like, ultimately this should be 754 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: a Republican blowout. Democrats control the Senate, the House, the President, 755 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: say the Biden's approval rating is low. Inflation is really 756 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a global problem, but it's certainly a 757 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: problem here. Gas rights are high. Like the weather should 758 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: be very bad for Democrats. So the fact that it's not, 759 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, if it if on Tuesday night, and we 760 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: don't know right because of the polling, but if Tuesday 761 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: night is not a total blood bath, we will have 762 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: bucked a trend. That is true. That is true, I guess. 763 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: So if you look at the political science models, political 764 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: scientists are saying that it would be about par for 765 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: Democrats to lose about I think forty seats in the 766 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: House and to lose multiple seats in the Senate. And 767 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: that could still happen. But if it doesn't happen, then 768 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: that would be bucking a trend. Yeah. So, I mean, 769 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 1: and I've seen I've seen thirty seats, I've seen twenty seats. 770 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen endless machinations about what it's going 771 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: to be. But let's just I want to like talk 772 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: about this a little more. If we can't get polls 773 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: to tell us what's going to happen, then why do 774 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: we do them. Sorry to ask a really obnoxious question 775 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: to you, but it is a good question. I think 776 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: we expect a lot of clarity and precision out of polls. 777 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: And because polling margins are in you know, integers, it's 778 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: like one point two point three points margin between the candidates, 779 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: we want that to be a clear answer. But the 780 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: truth is, unless something gets out into the five point range, 781 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a number that we can't really be 782 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: sure about. And so when I look at polls, what 783 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: I what I do is I look at and I say, okay, 784 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 1: I look at the polling average, like I'll go over 785 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: to five thirty eight, or I'll go over to my 786 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: own site election dot Prince dot eu, and I'll say, 787 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: if a race is within about three points or so 788 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: in the in the aggregate, I say, well, that's a 789 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: close race, and I don't know which way that one's 790 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: going to go. So I think that people better get 791 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: their fannies over there and work on that particular race. 792 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: And so My feeling is that polls are good for 793 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: helping us figure out where to put our efforts. Um 794 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: and you know, if you look and furthermore, if you 795 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: look per vote, I mean, gosh, there's all this stuff 796 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: happening down ticket, same story. We can figure out where 797 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: the where the dangerous spots are going to be and 798 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: maybe not just the Senate next year, but democracy two 799 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: years from now. I mean, that's that's what it seems 800 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: like to me. So you would say, you you look 801 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: at the polls for what's closed, and then you get 802 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: going on that. Yeah, I mean right now, I gotta say, 803 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: voters are have a lot of power right now in 804 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin and some other states. It's 805 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: just and there is a lot happening at the Senate 806 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: and the House at the state level. I'm certain that 807 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: you know a lot about that. You know, election deniers 808 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: right like all these elections, like people like Mark Fincham 809 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: and Jim Marshawn, Right, Mark Fincham is in Arizona, Jim 810 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: Marshawn is right, mars Shahnson Nevada. That's right, so Nevada 811 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: as they say no, they don't say Nevada. We say Nevada, 812 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: they say Nevada. It's like Colorado. Yeah, I can't. It's 813 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: like nuclear nuclear anyway. Um, but yes, so, yeah, these 814 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: small races could really be where democracy lives and dies 815 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: in twenty four. Oh yeah. The thing is all this 816 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: stuff about election clear quitting their jobs are being hounded 817 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: out in Nevada, like something like two thirds of the 818 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: county clerks quit. There's all kinds of ideas that are 819 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: percolating locally, like people saying, well, we should count all 820 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: the ballots by hand, which is going to take forever. 821 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: Stuff like that. It's under the radar, right because we're 822 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: watching the national news and you know, maybe we care 823 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: about Catherine Cortes Masto or or what have you. But meanwhile, 824 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: these secretary of state races are going to determine who 825 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: is in charge of counting votes and reporting results two 826 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,479 Speaker 1: years from now. That's the next Iceberg. We're all watching 827 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: this iceberg, but behind it, there's another iceberg. Yeah no, no, 828 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I also think this is a controversial opinion here, 829 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: but I think I'm right, which is he has got 830 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: to do that, which is that I think that Democrats 831 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: losing the House is not as big a deal as 832 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: Democrats losing some of these governorships. Yes, losing the House 833 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: can be fixed in two years, and the pendulum is 834 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: likely to swing back two years from now, although we 835 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: don't know, but right losing governor ships is serious, like 836 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: losing Wisconsin governorship for Democrats would um the Republican Canada. 837 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: There is now promising that Republicans will never lose another 838 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: election to Wisconsin if he gets elected. Wow, dude, how 839 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: do you promise that? And so and so that's a 840 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: pretty inflammatory promise. So governorships, secretaries of state, all that 841 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: downticket stuff that people forget about is super important. And 842 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: you know, these these House seats. I mean, I'll say, 843 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: my slightly contrarian thing, which is jerrymandering in some ways 844 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: got worked out in some ways favorably at the national level. 845 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: So that so that's a relatively level playing field in Congress. 846 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: We're going to have to disagree there, but yes, we 847 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: have disagreed on this before. I mean, there's there's a 848 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: lot of local stuff, like Ohio is a problem, Wisconsin 849 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: is a problem, but when you added up nationally is 850 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: a problem. Sure, But when you added up nationally, it 851 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: becomes less of a problem than it was ten years ago. 852 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: The point being there is a possibility of either party 853 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: controlling Congress two years from now, but whoever gets elected 854 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: governor this time around is going to be in charge 855 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: of state government two years from now at the time 856 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: in the next presidential election. Right, we already know that 857 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: Trump is waiting in the wings. Yes, he seems likely 858 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: to run again, doesn't he know. Yeah, I mean it 859 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: seems like the interesting tension, in my mind is that 860 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: there's a fairly large section of Republicans who want him 861 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: to wait as long as possible to announce, which is 862 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: why the r n C has this deal where they're 863 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: paying some of his legal bills, and when he announces, 864 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,479 Speaker 1: they're going to stop paying them. Oh yes, I think 865 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: what in their minds they thought was a brilliant move. 866 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: But I do think eventually he's just gonna stop paying that. 867 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: In surveys of Republican voters, he's only pulling out about 868 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: or so among Republicans for the nomination, which seems like 869 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: it's not very good for somebody who is supposed to 870 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: be so dominant in the party. Yeah, I mean, it 871 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: does seem like there's a there's a window here for 872 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: another candidate. But these are probab Blkans. They're so profoundly 873 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: scared of Trump that we have to see what happens. 874 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,959 Speaker 1: It's not just him, though, there's this reactor fuel among 875 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: Republican voters of anger, of paranoia about election results, of 876 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: willingness to consider the other side to be not legitimate, 877 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: and that engine is there with or without Trump. Yes, 878 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: and I think Marjorie Taylor Green is a good sign 879 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 1: that Trump is um actually does scale, I do think, 880 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: and you see this because she does really well with 881 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: small dollar donations, so that is where the Republican Party is. 882 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: But I think it's quite an interesting and I think 883 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what happened that. You know, 884 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: you're seeing Republicans freak out because there, I think, or 885 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: at least the base, it feels left behind, right. They 886 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: feel like they didn't get the good stuff that the 887 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: rest of us got and that this window is closing 888 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: for them. But during this Biden administration, there's actually been 889 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: a really big manufacturing boom in the United States, which 890 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if we see some movement with that, how 891 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: long will it take for a regular person to see 892 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: the benefits of that I don't know. I mean, like 893 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: if I if I live in some industrial town, and 894 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: how soon will I start seeing jobs? Yeah, I don't know. 895 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's going to be the question. 896 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: I mean, we had mayor Pete on here yesterday and 897 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: he was talking about or whenever, whatever day is anything, 898 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: because I don't even know what day is. This like 899 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 1: run up to the mid term has been like it's 900 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: just such a like it's just like a misery of 901 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: tunnel vision. Um. But I do think like there was 902 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: a massive infrastructure bill that just got pasted, and so 903 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: there is money flowing into these municipalities. I mean, the 904 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: United States is finally investing in industrial policy on a 905 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: smaller scale than China, but they but the United States 906 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: is starting to invest in industrial policy and h and 907 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: that is a move that could lead to more manufacturing 908 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: in the United States. I think China is also trying 909 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: to do that. It appears that these major powers are 910 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: trying to move towards more self sufficiency, becoming less linked 911 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: through trade. That might lead to more on showing right, 912 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll be really curious to see how it all plays out. 913 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: Sam Waying, thank you so much for joining us. Thank 914 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: you Molly. Great to not see you, but great to 915 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: be with you, great to almost see you, almost close close, 916 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, Molly, John Fast, Why do you seem so dan? 917 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: Me and all the bag of idiots are gonna be 918 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: able to call you a blue check anymore if you 919 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: don't buy Elon Musk's blue check After the election when 920 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: he puts them for sales, Elon Musk had to put 921 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: off the Twitter checks. So there are verified people on 922 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: Twitter and they are unverified people on Twitter, and Elon 923 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: Musk had this brilliant plan to charge people eight dollars 924 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,760 Speaker 1: to become a verified person on Twitter. Unfortunately for Elon Musk, 925 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: he laid off all the people he needed to do that. 926 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 1: So now he has decided to put it off, and 927 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: he also is going to unlay off some of those 928 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,399 Speaker 1: people to get them back so that they can give 929 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 1: everyone blue checks, so that everyone can impersonate each other. 930 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: That's why we call him a genius. What a man. 931 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: That's right, That's how it is. Man. In other news, 932 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: you know, we all say the one thing that's good 933 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,240 Speaker 1: about Trump is sometimes he comes with a good nickname. 934 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: But he kind of had a miss this weekend again. 935 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that he had a miss I mean, 936 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: it was just like a lot more intelligent than his 937 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 1: usual nickname, and so it confused all of us. Usually 938 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 1: you'll remember low energy Jeb, little Marco. He doesn't you know, 939 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: he hits a nickname, but it tends not to be 940 00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,320 Speaker 1: so intellectual. This time he gave Ron to say autists, 941 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: who really is his only rival for the primary? The 942 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: nickname Ron dis sanctimonious doesn't have a ring to it. 943 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't know Ron, I didn't know he knew a 944 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: word that big. I saw people suggesting calling him Ron 945 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: the Fascist. I think that would make the audience like 946 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: him more. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 947 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to her the 948 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: best minds in politics, makes sense of all this chaos. 949 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to 950 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks 951 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: for listening.