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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: This he is Hanging with the Boys, presented by Wingstuck

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Speaker 1: Where Flavor gets its wings.

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Speaker 3: Now your hosts.

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Speaker 4: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon.

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Speaker 1: Gross Friday looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Ford

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Speaker 1: Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas.

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Speaker 4: Ninety degrees, the highest ninety five, the low is seventy one.

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Speaker 3: He is Nate. This is Kurt two pumps Dallions.

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Speaker 5: That is Shannon in the back of schools being keeping

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Speaker 5: his live in local I am Salt and Pepper Poppy.

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Speaker 5: Together we make Hanging with the Boys the sports talk

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Speaker 5: equivalent of Braille. People when we speak.

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Speaker 4: Brought to you each and every show by Wingstop Where

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Speaker 4: Flavor gets It's weir. And if you're wondering why I'm

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Speaker 4: so happy after a loss to the division rival world

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Speaker 4: champion Eagles, We're not.

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Speaker 6: Terrible, folks.

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Speaker 4: We are not terrible. I thought this was gonna be

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Speaker 4: a massacre. What a crazy, wild weird. This kind of

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Speaker 4: stuff usually happens in Washington. But I mean, where do

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Speaker 4: we start? Like it was fun to watch, there's good

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a fun season.

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Speaker 6: I was really worried that this.

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Speaker 4: Show was gonna be more garbage than normal because we

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Speaker 4: weren't gonna have anything to talk about but losses every week.

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Speaker 4: Football's fun for me. Again, one very small sample. But

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Speaker 4: I mean I thought the team. I thought they looked disciplined.

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Speaker 4: I thought they looked well coached. I thought, obviously there's

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Speaker 4: a lot to work on the offensive line. I thought

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Speaker 4: did a pretty good job. I think your running backs

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Speaker 4: look better than they have in a long time. Dak

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Speaker 4: looked really good. Maybe they knew what they were doing,

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Speaker 4: holding people out and not letting them play.

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Speaker 2: Eighty eight.

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Speaker 4: Still still believe in you. But I mean a lot

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Speaker 4: of positives out of that game. What Nate, what'd you

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Speaker 4: take out?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 3: First off?

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Speaker 4: Before we get into the game, we got sent a

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Speaker 4: video before the game of you rolling up in the

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Speaker 4: back in some hot ride nineteen fifties hot open wheel

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Speaker 4: hot ride with a big Cowboys star on the side.

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Speaker 6: What was that all about?

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Speaker 2: Just something they put together? Man, they hit this young

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Speaker 2: man that you know he got signatures all over his car,

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Speaker 2: inside the hood and all of that, and they Kyle,

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Speaker 2: you almost hooked up with him somehow and said he,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, would you like to, you know,

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Speaker 2: help us on our one our shows? And he was,

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Speaker 2: he was glad to do it. You know you look good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I was born that way. I

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Speaker 2: what you gotta put on. You got to put by

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Speaker 2: Forcus on the city.

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Speaker 6: What's your initial just initial thoughts thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I just I like that they played hard, they played

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Speaker 2: with intensity. Uh. I like that part of it. I

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Speaker 2: really do. Uh Uh. Got to get a little bit

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Speaker 2: more disciplined. Uh, got to execute and crunch time a

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Speaker 2: little bit better. But they played hard, and that that

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Speaker 2: is what he's trying to get guys to do. To

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Speaker 2: play hard. Now we got to stop playing smart Kurt,

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Speaker 2: high level thoughts.

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Speaker 8: High level what they have? High level?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm saying, let's not get into the Kurt, just

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Speaker 4: know your role discipline on the show, high level as

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Speaker 4: in keeping, don't get in the weeds. Just what did

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Speaker 4: you think of the game of all kind of like Jesse, what.

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Speaker 2: Were you.

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Speaker 8: Kind of like you I was. You know, it's a

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Speaker 8: loss as a loss, but it wasn't as bad a

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Speaker 8: among those fans that are like, hey, we were in it,

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Speaker 5: So I'm optimistic, Okay, Jesse, I've been all over the place,

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Speaker 5: like I really, there's a lot of good to take

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Speaker 5: this game. I can't put my finger on it. I

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Speaker 5: I know it's a team game.

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Speaker 6: It's your guy.

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Speaker 5: This would have been eighty eight names long before I

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Speaker 5: got to number eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right, do you think it was just what do you

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Speaker 4: Jitters just black of Concentration.

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Speaker 5: Had to be like concentration. I mean, because it's not

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Speaker 5: a rookie. It's Cedee Lamb. This is guy who's been

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Speaker 5: around here for a while, has played in big games,

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Speaker 5: has made big plays in all types of games. It's

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Speaker 5: just a lack of focus, a lack of complete lack

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Speaker 3: It happens to the greats. It happens to the greats

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Speaker 5: You hate that it happened last night in those moments,

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Speaker 5: could you think about it? I mean, even with four drops.

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Speaker 3: Like he still had one hundred and seventeen yards, he

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Speaker 5: He dropped about one hundred yards worth of balls, Like

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Speaker 5: would have been projected. I don't know what to think, man,

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Speaker 5: because there were something there was like, you know, hey,

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Speaker 5: Kenny Clark, he did some good things last night. OHSA

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Speaker 5: did some good things last night. Linebackers not so much, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: ibra flus didn't call one time last last night. There

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Speaker 5: I don't know where to go, Like I really don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, I do, I do it. And I

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Speaker 5: every every time. Shout out to Shoty. I thought he

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Speaker 5: That would have put them last year. I think they

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Speaker 5: were like twenty ninth. I think it was emotion. If

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Speaker 3: So Shoty said they were going.

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Speaker 5: To be more motion know to be true that there

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Speaker 5: were more emotions out there. So a lot of positive

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Speaker 5: or how do you play when you're faced up against

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Speaker 5: you make the plays to win those games? And for

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know why I took a

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Speaker 3: shot at you. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Tell Jesse to go after this boy, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But it just seems as if.

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Speaker 5: With the whole team on it, when it's I don't again,

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Speaker 5: I don't know where to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where to go again.

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Speaker 5: I saw a lot of positive things, I saw some

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Speaker 4: And you're probably not gonna have many answers after the

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Speaker 8: Right, shouldn't be better than no.

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Speaker 2: The thing. The thing is when you come out and

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Speaker 2: then they come back and score. Now, now all of

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Speaker 2: where to go. It's it's great athlete, as Jalen Hurt says,

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Speaker 2: he don't know where to go. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: they had walled him in. He see daylight, good coverage,

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Speaker 2: like you say, zone, they don't cover everybody up. He

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Speaker 2: very disciplined when you when you play that team that's

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Speaker 2: equal to better, you have to stay very, very disciplined.

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Speaker 2: You can't have that wrong time off side. So you can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't. And I was waiting for you your prediction.

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Speaker 2: I use it a lot. I was waiting for Turping

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Speaker 2: to make a move. But they were so smart they

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Speaker 2: kicked away there. They were smart. I'm like that. Jesse

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Speaker 2: gave it away. You know, they listened to this show, bro.

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Speaker 2: They gave it away. And he made a few catches,

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Speaker 2: he made a few runs. I tell people like this

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Speaker 2: when you're playing in a big game like this in

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Speaker 2: to him. Again, right, you are allowed that one booble h,

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Speaker 2: but Cede Lamb, you're not allowed to more. And that

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Speaker 2: is where I think that was bothering him more than anything.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can forgive yourself. And I made a

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Speaker 2: bad you know, I just didn't do it right. I

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Speaker 2: run turn my head, but not not three times. I

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Speaker 2: don't know about the fourth one, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Fourth to me, the fourth one, I get.

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Speaker 5: I count that as a fourth one because it's a

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Speaker 2: And and so I tell people when you are elite

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Speaker 2: because you you know what type of fight you in.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we all love CD. Man been talking

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Speaker 2: about the fever. Uh, Dak, what's gonna be the X factor?

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Speaker 2: CD was gonna be the start like you've been talking

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Speaker 2: He made some throws. Now he missed the one on

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Speaker 2: that was nice. We hadn't seen that from Dak, and

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Speaker 4: So his biggest impact on the game were two plays

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Speaker 4: that he wouldn't even throwing the ball, So getting Jalen

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Speaker 2: You know, when you play a game of this magnitude,

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Speaker 2: I like how these guys seemed to play for one another. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: saw Sanborn come straight down the hill one time. If

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Speaker 2: hit him for a loss. But that was twenty six.

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Speaker 2: made that tack. I said, hold bro, that that dude

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Speaker 2: he's trying to attack ain't ain't really human. You know, team,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, until you play a player of that caliber,

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Speaker 2: he's not normal. When they finally started getting to him,

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Speaker 2: it was a gang gang type situation. And when he

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Speaker 2: he could go so that one guy could get him,

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Speaker 2: because he bro, some people can see past that first guy.

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Speaker 2: I promise you they can see past that front, that

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Speaker 2: thank you for the brain delay, the storm, because that

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Speaker 3: I believe that.

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Speaker 2: I believe that hold off, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Cooled off and even like the adrenaline because they landon Dickerson.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't finish the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that got tight. And that that rain

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Speaker 5: And that's when that's when the Jimmys and Joe's coming

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Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm show glad Miles Sanders didn't play when

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Speaker 5: All I'm saying is the room that I want set

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Speaker 6: That small, that small crease he had and he just

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Speaker 4: And I was like, man, we have a one two

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Speaker 6: And then then he got caught. I was like, okay, man.

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Speaker 2: You found out that one gas that was Deesel. He

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Speaker 8: He got caught by a speedy defensive that's backer.

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Speaker 3: That's true. My guy ran for three.

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Speaker 4: Did he have something in training camp? A knee or

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Speaker 6: It was a knee?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 6: Can we blame it on that?

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Speaker 3: Or we just like whatever?

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Speaker 2: Just got Come on with me, brother on the room,

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Speaker 2: Brother Dorry Jackson, I commend you. I don't because I'm

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Speaker 4: If you look at the stat sheet, and by the way,

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Speaker 4: congratulations Kurt. You missed the final score by seven points,

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Speaker 4: so did I. But you guessed the Eagles exact score.

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Speaker 4: You had twenty four thirteen. I had twenty seven sixteen,

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Speaker 2: What did I have?

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Speaker 3: Thanks?

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Speaker 4: You had Cowboys twenty four, Eagles seventeen.

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Speaker 11: If they would have just came back, well, there's a lot.

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Speaker 12: Of woodas and a whole lot of woodas if you

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Speaker 2: Oh, Cowboys won this game.

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Speaker 8: Pretty good night, Great night.

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Speaker 2: But there's some fantasy owners out there that are not

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Speaker 2: happy it was.

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Speaker 4: One of them.

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Speaker 2: But hey, but I mean just a just.

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Speaker 11: A weird it just there was just a weird game.

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Speaker 8: Hurts overall, It hurts hurt on the you couldn't he

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Speaker 4: Talk about because both of y'all said yes as players

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Speaker 2: What what do you?

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Speaker 6: What do you guys?

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Speaker 4: First two things, One, I wish I could have been

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Speaker 6: How big of an impact.

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Speaker 4: Was that And was that a huge difference? Is that

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Speaker 4: And then two, y'all both talk about the halftime and

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Speaker 2: Number one. Number one, when I saw that when when

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Speaker 2: We have all of a sudden, you ain't got as

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Speaker 2: And you notice the pass the path of the ends

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, how'd you think those young

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Speaker 2: Okay, they did, okay, they moved people in that first

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Speaker 2: But I think coach was trying to coach Shotty was

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Speaker 5: He's just and but that's part of the reason why,

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Speaker 2: So what is this team really without?

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Speaker 5: Like he is arguably, arguably, Jalen Carter is one of,

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Speaker 5: least in the front end, you know what I mean.

443
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Speaker 5: Like part of the reason why Dori Jackson was mouse

444
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 5: in the house barbecue Chicken is because they had no

445
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 5: they had no pocket push and so Dak had an

446
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 5: opportunity to sit in the pocket and CD is already

447
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 5: unguardable regularly when you give the quarterback even more time,

448
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 5: he becomes even more unguardable. I appreciate the way that

449
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer set the matchups up to where he was

450
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 5: getting the look that he wanted on the players that

451
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 5: he wanted to have on the certain guys like adri Jackson,

452
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 5: but not having Jenden Carter matters. Then you add into

453
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 5: the fact that Landon Dickerson got banged up.

454
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: They're all world right guard.

455
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 5: So they're talking about two players in the interior that

456
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: makes a significant difference on how they operate, how they

457
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 5: call plays, how plays, how plays run, how the other

458
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: guys around them play. So that's that's another reason that's

459
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 5: kind of got me in this whole you know, this

460
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 5: whole conundrum of what what do I take away from

461
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 5: this game?

462
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 6: You know, did they look better than what you thought

463
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 6: they were going to?

464
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 4: No.

465
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 5: I knew offensively they were going to be able to

466
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 5: pass the football. I think Javonte Williams was who I

467
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 5: thought Javonte Williams was going to be. He's going to

468
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 5: be a hard nosed rusher runner where he leaned forward,

469
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 5: but Javante didn't. There was nothing that I saw that

470
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: except maybe that Tyler Goton was okay.

471
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: He was okay.

472
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 5: He had some moments where he left hook, he had

473
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 5: a nice left hook. He was okay, and they let him.

474
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: They let him have the game and they said, we're

475
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: not gonna worry about flipping you in and out with

476
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: Nate Thomas, and he looked okay. So that was a

477
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: positive part. But I mean, I've been I've come in

478
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: here since training camp and I've said this passing game

479
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: is going to be a hell of five passing game.

480
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 5: I knew that from the jump, So seeing it didn't

481
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Speaker 5: surprise me any I knew that they were going to

482
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: be good.

483
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: Were you surprised that Dak didn't wind up on the

484
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: ground and had a clean pocket pretty much all night, regardless.

485
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: Of when Jalen Carter went out. I just said, this

486
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 5: game is different. It's different, man, It's different. I just

487
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 5: knew it was different because of the impact that dude

488
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 5: is a in He's a game wrecker because look at

489
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: like when you're playing zone behind right, you're dropping seven

490
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 5: men right, so that means like I have to create

491
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 5: pressure with four man front right, so by sheer math

492
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 5: and this goes both ways for the Cowboys, offensively and defensively.

493
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 5: If Vic Fangio is dropping more guys in the covers,

494
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 5: he's playing a lot. He likes to play a lot

495
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 5: of cover six against Dak Okay two on one side,

496
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: cover two on one side, cover for on the other side.

497
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: So we're dropping a lot of guys into the zone.

498
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 5: Seven men that they're dropping into the zone and make

499
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: Dak have to kind of sift through all of this. Well,

500
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 5: that means I'm only rushing four. Well, by sheer math,

501
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 5: it tells me center two guards to tackle.

502
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: That's five. I'm only rushing four.

503
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 5: Defensively, one of those men will be double team on

504
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 5: the defensive line. So now that is that Jalen Carter?

505
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 5: Is that Jordan Davis. Well if if in when you

506
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 5: don't double Jalen Carter, I don't know. If he doesn't

507
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 5: win those battles creates pressure in the pocket that moves

508
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 5: around differently. Right, You just that particular player when when

509
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 5: you scheme it up, he's able to be the same thing.

510
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 5: And I know people want mely bring his name up,

511
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: but same thing like it was when Michael was here.

512
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 5: When you scheme certain things up, it is to scheme

513
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: him up to have one on one coverage because he

514
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 5: alone could be a game record. That's what Jordan, excuse me,

515
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 5: that's what Jaalen Carter was so uh that was something

516
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 5: that I didn't when he went out. I knew the

517
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 5: game would look different from Philadelphia's side, But you know,

518
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 5: the Cowboys.

519
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: Did what they had to do early on and then

520
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: that no, no, no.

521
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 8: You got a dumb question, but they spend I know

522
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 8: it became easier for the Cowboys obviously with him out.

523
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 8: They've schemed all week what they're gonna do against Carter

524
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 8: when he does leave. Is that create a little bit

525
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 8: of like what do we do now?

526
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: Type? Is it almost worse?

527
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: No?

528
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: No no, no no no no no sigh relief.

529
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, But I mean, if they don't have to make

530
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 8: huge adjustments just because that one guy leaves.

531
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: The thing is, like Jess said, it's simple in past block.

532
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: Let's say we'll use number fifty two to the right

533
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: guard and past block. Now you can turn the protection

534
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: if you need to get out there. To the deal,

535
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: you're not turning the protection with with with with number

536
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: ninety eight, You're you're not turning the protection anywhere when

537
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: you have a ninety nine, like for the rams and

538
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: you have a Jones, you're not turning to protection. And

539
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: what that means is if they bring five, it's everybody free,

540
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: everybody one on one. If they bring four, like I say,

541
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: you got a great defensive end, like Michael Parson was

542
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: a great pass rush in Well, you know what, we

543
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: got an extra guy. Let's turn to that backside. You

544
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: by yourself guards, you turn, you got help with the

545
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: center depending on where that guy come at, and you

546
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: play the gaps and then you got too literally on Parsons. Well,

547
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: if Jalen is standing there and you got Parsons out there,

548
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: you you in trouble because you gonna You're not gonna

549
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: turn that protection because the middle of the pocket is

550
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: the most important thing. And if you can't step up

551
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: to either side, you through. So that is what he

552
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: allows to happen. When he's not there, they can turn

553
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: protection if you want to.

554
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

555
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 8: It just makes it easier, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 5: Life just becomes a lot easier as far as blocking

557
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: guys and being able to sustain and stay on blocks.

558
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 5: And then you know, I thought that rain delay was

559
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: what's critical because I told you guys coming into this game,

560
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: the third quarter is gonna tell the tale. Yes, like

561
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 5: that's always been that quarter for the Cowboys where and

562
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: this is gonna be something I monitor all year long

563
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 5: because the Cowboys have made a decision on what they're

564
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 5: gonna do with Manzi Smith, and he's probably not gonna

565
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: play going forward because you're gonna go Kenny Clark, Osa,

566
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: You're gonna go Solomon Thomas, and you're gonna go Jay

567
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 5: Toya as the rotational guys in that interior of the

568
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 5: defensive tackles, right, but Kenny and Osa sub three hundred pounds, Well,

569
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 5: I have to say, Osa, Kenny's up there?

570
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Are they gonna wear down? How is that rotation going

571
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: to work?

572
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 5: Because in that third quarter after they got that fumble,

573
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: you just thought to yourself, I know they were gonna.

574
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: Come back out there and run that ball back.

575
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: The momentum has swung back into the favor, and whether

576
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 5: you believe in momentium or not, the momentum had swung

577
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 5: back into the to the to the Eagles favor, and

578
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: you just knew that was gonna be the point in

579
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: time where they just said, all right, here we go.

580
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: We're gonna we're gonna just start punishing them a little

581
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 5: bit more. The rain delay happened things. You know, Dickerson

582
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: had came out of the game, had slowed everything down,

583
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: trying to build back up that momentum. And it was

584
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: ugly on both sides because no team scored. Is that

585
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 5: in the second half when you get the delay like that?

586
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 8: Is it harder for because it seemed like the offenses

587
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 8: maybe never found a true rhythm again. So is it

588
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 8: harder for this?

589
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: It is?

590
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: It is and and and that's where that's where I

591
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 5: come to this thing, and I go, is this team

592
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 5: good enough to make the winning plays and the moments

593
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: that it matters the most against the teams that are

594
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: equally are better than you? And they didn't last night.

595
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 5: And they didn't. They didn't from some of the guys

596
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: that you need to have it from. But that has

597
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: been that has long been. That's not a new recent thing.

598
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 5: That has long been the achilles heel of these Cowboys football.

599
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 4: I guess I'm I'm not as down as you because

600
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: I'm not down either, but.

601
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 5: You seem down, you see, I'm I don't.

602
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: I'm just happy they were in a position for them

603
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: to screw those plays up because I thought this was

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: gonna be I.

605
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Thought it was ugly. That's not it's not.

606
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: But that was my expectation. But that was my expectation

607
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: going into this game. Is this is going to be

608
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: a long, ugly, five to seven win season. Now, my

609
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: expectation is they can be competitive with some of the

610
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: better teams in the league.

611
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 6: Are they gonna get over that hump and beat beat them?

612
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: Probably not beating the lines, You're probably not beating that

613
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: back into the scle, but we're gonna be in it.

614
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 5: That's where here's where I still come to that conclusion

615
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 5: of is it's always going to be in the back

616
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: of the offense.

617
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: Like this defense gave up a lot and maybe they didn't.

618
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: You know, you might not.

619
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: Say old Sakwon didn't go off for one hundred and

620
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: seventy yards. Not this time.

621
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: Like once film gets out now and they can go

622
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: and see, all right, here's here's what they have, here's

623
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: how they're using it, here's how we can bat that. Right,

624
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: So I look at that, and that's the part when

625
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: I'm talking about getting over the hump. Like it's been

626
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: a repeated thing for this team that you don't make

627
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 5: the winning plays in the winning moments to win these I.

628
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 6: Guess I'm just happy that we're.

629
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: You're blown out.

630
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 6: I'm glad to be at the hump and go I

631
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 6: can't get over. But I'm mad, like I'm mad.

632
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: Looking like there's still the same issue that arise in

633
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: those moments.

634
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: If we're sitting here three weeks from now, because one

635
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: game has already been played, one preseason game already been played.

636
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: We sitting here three weeks from now and Jesse doing

637
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: what he's doing.

638
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: We in trouble me and you said that it was

639
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: gonna take him six weeks, so let's give him five.

640
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying they are right now. The way

641
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: they play, yes, I'm sort the hardness, the intensity with

642
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: what they played with. Now you got to clean up

643
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: these small things. You know, in three games you'll start Okay,

644
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: this is who they are, this is what they can

645
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: and really cannot do. Uh, the offense is get a

646
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: little bit better, the defense should get a little bit better.

647
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: But now all the teams in the league are better too.

648
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: But you should start beginning to know who you are.

649
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Coach Schattenhammer is learning his team now. I know he's

650
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: missed a hype and da da dad. He's saying the

651
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: right things. He I mean, this dude run for president,

652
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: but right now, just be stable. But if he come

653
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: in here three to four weeks from now, man, I

654
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: just don't know how to feel. Yeah, yeah, there you go,

655
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: there you go.

656
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: But I'm just encouraged that now we kind of know

657
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: a little bit.

658
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 6: We've seen it.

659
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Right.

660
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: We thought this guy was this, he is this this,

661
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 6: We thought this. This guy may be a little better,

662
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Speaker 6: this guy may be a little worse.

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Speaker 4: We have a starting point now as to where we

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Speaker 4: haven't known anything.

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Speaker 5: All right, So was there any player in a positive

666
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Speaker 5: that shocked you, like, well, I didn't know he could.

667
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Speaker 5: Were there any play that did anything last?

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody shocked me being I think kneeling

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Speaker 4: is what we thought he was in a positive way.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think anybody was above and beyond what

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Speaker 4: I expected. But there were guys that I didn't know what,

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Speaker 4: Like like Williams.

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Speaker 8: No clue, Williams did better than I thought he was.

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Speaker 4: Physically Yeah, like yeah, Like the run game was the

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Speaker 4: run game. I felt like they ran harder than they

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Speaker 4: have in past years. I felt like the run blocking

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Speaker 4: was more physical than it has been now. Maybe it's

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Speaker 4: just me, but I think our linebackers looked really, really

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Speaker 4: slow last night.

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Speaker 5: You you had a lot of If you go back

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Speaker 5: and you look at it, Kenneth Murray, you might have

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Speaker 5: to get Kendith Murray off the field.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you, like Kenneth.

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Speaker 2: Murray's situation, everything, everything.

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Speaker 5: Because Keneff Kenneth Murray. And I'll use to turn that

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Speaker 5: that Jeff Kavanaugh used this morning. Keniff Murray thinks he's

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Speaker 5: places linebacker by hisself. He think it's just him.

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Speaker 3: He's all over the place, He's just everywhere.

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Speaker 5: And it's like you go back and you watch there's

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Speaker 5: place where he's supposed to be rushing, like his run

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Speaker 5: lane is this way, and he's like, oh, I see

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Speaker 5: it this way, and he goes and goes this way.

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Speaker 3: Sam Borne right out the way. They both fall and like, no,

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Speaker 3: go that way. Sam Born's going.

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Speaker 5: So like he gets into this thing where he just

697
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 5: think it's just him, like it's him and whoever he sees,

698
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: it's like no, there are other people around you, you know.

699
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Speaker 5: And and that's why you see a lot of people

700
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Speaker 5: say you might want to see a little bit more

701
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Speaker 5: lea foul lea, yeah, marriss leaf foul uh out there

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Speaker 5: because Kenneth he is he looks good, looks.

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Speaker 3: Damn good in the uniform.

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Speaker 5: But sometimes he could just be he's just he's sometimes

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Speaker 5: I cover the plate today where he has hooked. He

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Speaker 5: has hooked hooked curl right now, he's in the zone.

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Speaker 5: He's looking at the quarterback. The quarterback is looking over

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Speaker 5: here and he never moves, like, hey, if you just

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 5: keep like well he looks this way, you start floating

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Speaker 5: that way because that's your zone.

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Speaker 3: The tightest standing right there.

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Speaker 5: He catches it, turns up, first down, like you not

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Speaker 5: out here by yourself, buddy, Like you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 5: do your job correctly because you're throwing other people off too.

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Speaker 5: There there was a lot of there was a lot

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Speaker 5: of different things that you know, like you said Fowler,

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Speaker 5: he had some situations where hey, if you just stay outside, buddy,

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Speaker 5: you just stay outside. They stay outside. Don't let Dalen

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Speaker 5: Hurts go out there, and you like went back inside,

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Speaker 5: tel hers it. Thank you outside. You know, run for

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Speaker 5: a big game. So this there's there's things, there's things

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Speaker 5: that need to be clean up that will be cleaned up.

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Speaker 5: But That's why it left being a place of.

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Speaker 4: defense the last five minutes of the show. Kurt brought

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Speaker 4: this up in the in the break, your question was

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Speaker 4: about the secondary, Well, I was, I was.

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Speaker 8: You know, when you're facing DeVante Smith and aj Brown,

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Speaker 8: I was kind of expecting the rough. Now you don't

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Speaker 8: know where Diggs is at. You got Elam's new back there.

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Speaker 8: I you know, I guess my question. I thought they

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Speaker 8: did better than I expected. And were you guys kind

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Speaker 8: of surprised by that? Tours I Rememberber's there.

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Speaker 5: It's sure like because I want to be positive. I

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Speaker 5: do want to be positive, and I think and Chris

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Speaker 5: when we were going we were in the break, Chris

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Speaker 5: made a great point at their offensive coordinator is his

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Speaker 5: first time calling place for this team, because when you're

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Speaker 5: talking about running a Cover three, that means that the

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Speaker 5: dB from where he stands and it's usually gonna be

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Speaker 5: off coverage. He's responsible for the third of the field

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Speaker 5: all the way back to infinity and you're not pressing

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Speaker 5: up in that you're playing six to eight yards off

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Speaker 5: eyes into the quarterback looking back. And for the life

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Speaker 5: of me, they just kept running routes that ran right

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Speaker 5: into the Cover three zone and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, as a play caller. I'm like, let's just

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Speaker 5: take let's just take profit. AJ Brown run a five

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Speaker 5: yards top. You're six foot three, two and twenty pounds.

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Speaker 3: Let's run a five.

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Speaker 5: I throw it to you outside, you turn, and you

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Speaker 5: go get five on yards first down. They just kept

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Speaker 5: trying to run things like a normal running routes, like, no,

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Speaker 5: just adjust, just take what the defense is giving you.

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Speaker 5: They want to run cover three.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 5: That's why you saw a lot of the tight end

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Speaker 5: being able to eat in that in that defense because

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Speaker 5: they didn't have a pass rush and there's always hole

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Speaker 5: they're going to be opening in zone coverage.

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Speaker 3: You give a quarterback enough time and if for Jalen hurts,

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Speaker 3: he is not he is not sure. He's not Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen where he's like.

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Speaker 5: First read, secondary, third read, checkdown. He if the first

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Speaker 5: read ain't there, he glitches. He's like he'll he'll just

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Speaker 5: fall right up into a sack because he's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: first read is not there. If I can't run, he'll

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Speaker 5: go just tackle me. All right, y'all got me. Let's

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Speaker 5: the second down. And So I don't know if it

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Speaker 5: was the inexperience of that that offensive coordinator from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: And this is just me being a football fan. I'm

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Speaker 5: not thank thank you office for that if not attacking that,

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Speaker 5: but as a football fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, why why he's to cover three?

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Speaker 5: Why no, I'm not again, I don't want to say

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Speaker 5: not be I pressed. Dis played twenty seven snaps. He

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Speaker 5: was on a pitch count in this game. So you

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Speaker 5: had Elam and you had Bland out there. I just

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Speaker 5: think about when you get to the more like when

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Speaker 5: you get to when you get to the Bears and

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Speaker 5: you've run it up against Ben Johnson, who's more of

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Speaker 5: a of a play caller like that, you better come

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Speaker 5: with it because he gonna take profit.

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Speaker 3: Just throw it out there. We're gonna just keep throwing

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Speaker 3: out there till.

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Speaker 2: They change it.

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Speaker 5: And you know, if they don't change it, we'll just

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Speaker 5: keep taking fire off the pop. And I like my

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Speaker 5: chances five yards here, two five yards first down, So

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Speaker 5: the the the zone for ebra flus will have to

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Speaker 5: create pressure up front or teams will just start taking

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Speaker 5: profit down low. I don't know why Philadelphia didn't.

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Speaker 2: Do it, Nate.

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Speaker 4: Two questions for you for really, one defensive question, one

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Speaker 4: offensive question. Defensive question. How do you think Kenny Clark

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Speaker 4: did being in being on premise for three days and

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Speaker 4: then being thrown into the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: He did nice. They did They did nice. They did

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Speaker 2: a good job. They were solid. That's all I said.

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Speaker 3: Can I add a small thing on Lenny Clark?

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Speaker 5: You know what was the greatest thing that Kenny Clark

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Speaker 5: did that just made a world of a difference. It's

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Speaker 5: the simplest thing that you can think about what he

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Speaker 5: got off the ball like it sounds crazy, the sheer

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Speaker 5: fact that we've been looking for that position to play better.

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Speaker 3: When the center was.

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Speaker 5: Snapping, the ball was moving, he was moving, and people

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Speaker 5: like that making when you look back to what how

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Speaker 5: and this is not a power massie, but the ball

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Speaker 5: would be in the centers like in the quarterback center

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Speaker 5: exchange being the quarterback's hand and Mozzie had moved, you lost.

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Speaker 3: As the ball is.

881
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: Moving, you should be that alone, That alone helped the

882
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 5: Cowboys up front in the run defense and everything they

883
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 5: needed to do up front, simply because Kenny Clark was

884
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: able to get off the ball at a rapid, fast

885
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: paced throughout.

886
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: The game and on average they were two yards deeper

887
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: with their push on average by what he just said

888
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: instead of and we can't can't give you an example

889
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: in him, instead of being right here, instead of being

890
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: right here, he was right here. That means because like

891
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: you say, he went to glitchen, he went to glitching

892
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: a little bit sooner than he normally would, you know,

893
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: so that that that means a lot. The other question,

894
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: how do you think the offensive line played okay? Just okay?

895
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: Because in that in that second half, after that rain delay,

896
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: you needed to take over, you know, like Jesse said,

897
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: for Philadelphia, he knew at some point that Philadelphia gona

898
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: come out saying, man, we've been run runs five or

899
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: six running plays because Dak had caught on fire. But

900
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: then when they put it all on him, you saw

901
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: what he forced a few and I wish we could

902
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: have probably just swung it out or swung a little

903
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: short passes out to the running back, a little something

904
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: quicker to the tight end to get that pressure off that,

905
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: you know, of a feeling he had to get it out.

906
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: You could you could tell he he reverted back into

907
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: old Dak mode where it's like, okay, I gotta go

908
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: win there.

909
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and the coach kind of put it on

910
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: him to do that. So I wish we could have

911
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: mixed in a few more runs. But Philadelphia depens lined

912
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: with the moving a little bit better, and as the

913
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: game got bigger. It's just like a basketball player, you

914
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: know who, like Kobe used to be. In the first half.

915
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: Sometime he'll be a little bit off, but with three

916
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: minutes left in the game, seemed like he don't miss

917
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: some shot, you know it just it gets better and

918
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: better than that guy that was covering saying again, seen

919
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: as good as I thought?

920
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 4: All right, fellas good stuff. We'll be back, I guess Monday, huh, Monday.

921
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: Four weeks from now. We do not want to I

922
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: don't know what to say, Jesse, We do not I

923
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: don't know what to say, Jesse in four weeks, four weeks.

924
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: All right, A lot of positive though, a lot of

925
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: positives from this game.

926
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: Good, well, we can't, I know, right?

927
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 6: Like it easy now for somebody to hug all night.

928
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: I need cuddles in and that.

929
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 6: Anybody trailer park.

930
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: I need cuddles in.

931
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: I need that.

932
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah shirt.

933
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 4: By the way, Chris, how you do a wellness check?

934
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 4: I know y'all got back about four o'clock this morning.

935
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: You good, Yeah, I'm good. All right man, Well, thanks

936
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: for keeping us on the air. Josh, thanks for keeping

937
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: him company. We'll be back Monday, same time, same place,

938
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Speaker 4: Hanging with the boys.

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Speaker 2: This has been a

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