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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from New York, another edition All the Smoke.

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Speaker 1: Jack was good, man, Let's continue to make this thing

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Speaker 1: blow like we've been doing. Let's not right now, Let's

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Speaker 1: keep it at we've been rolling. Man. We got one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites, sumone to me who never got the

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Speaker 1: respect and appreciation. I think a lot of us think

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Speaker 1: he deserved a man. Welcome to the show, jad Kiss.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you man. Long time it seemed like I should

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Speaker 1: have been up there. So Yonkers. For those who new

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Speaker 1: New York, similar energy, completely different. Talk to us about

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Speaker 1: your upbringing and uh where you're from. Bunting and raised

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Speaker 1: yank Is, New York about fifteen twenty minutes with traffic

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Speaker 1: from the city. We always had a chip, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like a chip on our shoulder because they always um,

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Speaker 1: you listened to the Ready and the rest in peace,

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Speaker 1: the Heavy d He came out of Mount Vernon and

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Speaker 1: he was like the first big thing out of Westchester.

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Speaker 1: That's our area. Uh, as far as you know, having

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Speaker 1: entertainment success and then um, growing up we listened to

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Speaker 1: the radio, it would always shot out the five Barrels

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Speaker 1: and then skip us and shot out Mount Vernon, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then New Rochelle Have the

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Speaker 1: brand New Being came out, and Grand Pooba and brand

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Speaker 1: new By and then came out. So we're like, why

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Speaker 1: didn't that we shot out Yank's like, we got some

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Speaker 1: talent here, you mean. So then fast forward Mary m

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Speaker 1: hm X ourselves. He was able to put our demographic

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Speaker 1: on the map and then let people see that Yaks

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Speaker 1: is really like a gumbo of the five Barrows. That's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Brooklyn feel to it, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the Bronx, a little bit of all a

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Speaker 1: little bit of clean, a little bit Long Islands. That man,

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Speaker 1: it's like a gumball of Walt drive around you. You

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Speaker 1: see some projects, you see some houses, you see it

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Speaker 1: looks crazy, but um for the most part is it's

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Speaker 1: like anywhere else, just ten twenty minutes from the city

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Speaker 1: that it took us to put it out there. Every day. Blive,

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Speaker 1: you've been there. I've been to yall cause I sure have.

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Speaker 1: I pulled up. You gotta get Maddie be over there.

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Speaker 1: Talk about early life and having hit the streets that

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Speaker 1: we have to earn money. We all know how to go,

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Speaker 1: but to walk with us to your teen nigers. I

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Speaker 1: was fortunate to have both parents. My family is like

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Speaker 1: a split. I mean, like my dad's side is they

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Speaker 1: all have college degrees. My mom's side is like more

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Speaker 1: like the beas least from from schools. With duc they

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Speaker 1: all it's like the criminal side. So I was able

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Speaker 1: to have a balance to text the buffalo, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, anything I ever did in

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Speaker 1: the street, I didn't really have to do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody got that story. Oh I came home, it was

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Speaker 1: nothing in the fridge and salute to those that had

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Speaker 1: to do that. I pretty much was I and just

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Speaker 1: a little mischievous on the upcoming and wanted to earn

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Speaker 1: some of my own money. I mean, so I sold

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Speaker 1: a few things that would in retail. About it retail, hotail?

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Speaker 1: Where did you discover rapping? I discovered it maybe like

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Speaker 1: eight nine years old, out of one of my older

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Speaker 1: j's in the hood, Steve tune Uh. He lived his parents.

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Speaker 1: His family lived like one flight up from my grandma's crib,

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Speaker 1: So I was always over my grandmother's crib. And then

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Speaker 1: he just grabbed me to his crib one day, started

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Speaker 1: playing some breakbeats, gave me the mike and like, I'm DJ,

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Speaker 1: and you're wrapping, you know, I mean, so I'll just

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Speaker 1: be rapping. And I think I really started getting good

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Speaker 1: at it. I snapping on my friends, you know, snapping

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Speaker 1: on people watching the Jeffersons, looking George, chopping on Mr

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Speaker 1: Bentley and him and I I guess something just clicked

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Speaker 1: in there then. I was always loved music like from

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Speaker 1: sugar Hill Gang. I think when I graduated Kenny Gardener

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Speaker 1: PreK Kenney Garden going in the first grade, one of

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Speaker 1: them I'm Moving Up gift was the sugar Hill vinyl

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Speaker 1: in a little radio. So I think my mom even

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Speaker 1: knew datter. You know. I was like to hip bap

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Speaker 1: love and just kept me in the field. When did

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Speaker 1: us chic and styles p come into your life? Chic

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Speaker 1: was always in my life, Like I just told you,

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Speaker 1: I used to wrap with my old g Steve tune

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Speaker 1: Um that lived one flight up from my grandmother's she's

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Speaker 1: grandmother and one building over from that. So and like coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: when his mom would drive him off my mama, we

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Speaker 1: I think I brought him upstairs one day like yo,

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Speaker 1: him and he started rapping. Another coincidence, his mom had

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Speaker 1: moved across town and my mom moved, so we moved

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Speaker 1: to the scene. We end up living one corner away

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Speaker 1: from each other. Our grandma's that moved from that demographic

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Speaker 1: across town to three or five four, which became d

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Speaker 1: block car washing, and they moved in the same building now,

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Speaker 1: so then here she lived on the first floor of

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Speaker 1: my grandmother. So it was meant for us to just

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Speaker 1: be be around and then them. We was experimenting with

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Speaker 1: local DJs in in y oh. Then I think we

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Speaker 1: got to Junior Hio High School, we met up with

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Speaker 1: p and he just got down with us, you know,

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Speaker 1: wrapping in the launch room, banging on the table, was

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Speaker 1: wrapping in between periods. We just started clicking up stabs

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Speaker 1: out a job at odd Jobs. We did a heist

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Speaker 1: and stole about two thousand cassette tapes, printing them up.

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Speaker 1: He was selling them in school for like fifteen dollars

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Speaker 1: and they were selling them. That was like our first

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Speaker 1: bomb Squad tape. That was the name of us back

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Speaker 1: then that we had out there, but it was ringing

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Speaker 1: in y oh. And then after that, you know, we

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Speaker 1: just kept evolved. So you guys former group originally called

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Speaker 1: the Warlocks. A freestyle battle in Florida attracted rough Riders.

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Speaker 1: Um tell us how inspired? Uh? Inspirational? Mary J. What's

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Speaker 1: see you personally? But really I need to meet up

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Speaker 1: about what we're talking about. It. First we met rest

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Speaker 1: in Piece of DMX ex Borel rough Riders to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's he bought him to our blocked in my little deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he boy didn't watch straight to the block popped out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to the O G S. Yeah, he bought

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Speaker 1: explot being wide to the block to meet us and

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Speaker 1: just made us rhyme and told him these they're going

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Speaker 1: with me. And that's how that happened. And then, like

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Speaker 1: I told you before, when we started getting better, after

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Speaker 1: we were selling the tapes in high school for fifteen dollars.

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Speaker 1: Once we started, you know, we was hustling and then

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Speaker 1: making money to go to the studio to start, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to prepare demo. Um, what's crazy about that is

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Speaker 1: Hove was making reasonable doubt in the next room as

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Speaker 1: we was making our locks demo. Hole was making reasonable

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Speaker 1: I mean we met him. We would see him in

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Speaker 1: jazz Oh. We knew jazz Oh he had he had

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Speaker 1: production on our demo, so he kind of like introduced

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Speaker 1: us the whole He was able to meet promo. So

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Speaker 1: um yeah, once once we did record the demo and

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Speaker 1: we felt it was good enough. One of our right

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Speaker 1: hand buddies and the entouragers, Mary's first cousin, my mayor

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Speaker 1: Jamarco j Bob, So it was just a pass off.

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Speaker 1: We got to take the Bob. He gave it to Mary.

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Speaker 1: They happened to be on tour with Joe to see Mary,

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Speaker 1: Joe to see Puff. I think Junior Mafia bone thugs

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Speaker 1: whoever they said they popped in on on the tour bus.

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Speaker 1: Puff is loving it. They set up with me and

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Speaker 1: m J called yo, guys, I love y'all know strange

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Speaker 1: and I don't want nothing off. He wants to meet

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Speaker 1: child and then resisted. Loving Jake's I love I need

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Speaker 1: to meet up. Bro. I love Mary Jake. You made it.

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Speaker 1: It's like you already know. And that's how that's how

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Speaker 1: much love she gives them. You know, it's dope. I

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Speaker 1: had to explain. When I played for the Clippers, she

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Speaker 1: used to come to some games and I remember I

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like that right. She's like, Hi,

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Speaker 1: it is that man honored the meat. Anyway, back to

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Speaker 1: the story, what was it like get the first regort deal?

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Speaker 1: What that feeling was like? Yeah, my first record deal

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Speaker 1: was a feeling like no other because coming from is

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Speaker 1: a is a discouraging place sometimes like a dog cloud

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Speaker 1: we call it. That stays there permanent, and nobody really

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Speaker 1: believes in. Nobody really thinks you're gonna make it. That's

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Speaker 1: why they say when you when you when you're starting

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Speaker 1: off of business or you're doing something, if you can

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Speaker 1: get earn your love from where you at first, the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world would be easy. And once we

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Speaker 1: felt like that about Yanker so once we got them

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Speaker 1: to kind of dig us, it wasn't that hard. We

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Speaker 1: Biggie to hear like me and styles and loops like yo,

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Speaker 1: right this round. We haven't meet Biggie, I want to

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Speaker 1: say this rhyme to him. So then getting on Bad Boy,

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Speaker 1: it was like the best thing in the world that happened.

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Speaker 1: And once we was able to get down with big

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Speaker 1: you know something that was like a dream come true

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Speaker 1: to us. We felt like we was on the unstoppable team.

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Speaker 1: But we were still young, still went behind the ears

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Speaker 1: learned the business and learned about them, you know, the

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Speaker 1: fokery is when you know we made that transition. But

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Speaker 1: being on Bad Boy, it was one of the best

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Speaker 1: times in our life. We we had some of the

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Speaker 1: best times. We learned some jewels that we're still able

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Speaker 1: to apply to this day. To take care of our family.

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Speaker 1: Puff is a special individual that when he when he

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Speaker 1: got love for you to help you out, show you something.

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Speaker 1: My brother, my brother, I've been with loaning a lot. Lady.

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Speaker 1: I used to send a lot of stories about just

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Speaker 1: be highly you. We used to send a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories about bad Boy back in the day when you

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Speaker 1: are first starting up skilled. It's crazy. It's like it

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Speaker 1: colleges at the best time in the world, like the parties.

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Speaker 1: This just the rollout was like Noah, with the money

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Speaker 1: that I was being spent and then the golden that

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Speaker 1: I called it is was just crazy. You touched on

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Speaker 1: obviously aspiring to get your music too Big. You get

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Speaker 1: a chance to meet Big and you and him built

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Speaker 1: a special relationship. Talked to us about your relationship with

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Speaker 1: Bit like I tell some of the artists that I

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Speaker 1: talked to today to asked me, you know, things about

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Speaker 1: the game. Being able to sit there with Big it

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Speaker 1: was priceless, you know what I mean. Being able to

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Speaker 1: be in the studio sessions, Being able to be on

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Speaker 1: Life after Death, which only has a few futures a

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Speaker 1: few features, is priceless. Um. He took care, took care

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Speaker 1: of Junior Mafia, He took care a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: He was very funny, dude. He was very His work

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Speaker 1: ethic was crazy, His energy was beautiful. He's just a

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Speaker 1: good guy, like a good you know, a good guy

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Speaker 1: that that really shook the game up while he was here,

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Speaker 1: and then after his untimely demise, like um, when that

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Speaker 1: happened to him, that was our first time in l A.

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Speaker 1: brain maybe nine to six months before I ever even

428
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: thought about making it. The song just some question. I

429
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: just used to always have wild questions, and like, what

430
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: do I'm making a song called Why? I wondered people

431
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: want to know the same questions that keep calling in

432
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: my brain? Then, um, something else people don't know? Having

433
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: produced one from my d I don't need that sounds

434
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: like fall left from having production. But he has sent

435
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: me a bat pack and I got that. I'm like, yo,

436
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: I think this is the track pressing piece ice Pick

437
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: from like Pick. I think this is the tract for Why.

438
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, just try it and then you know.

439
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean I laid them. I had to start thinking

440
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: to some questions that the whole world would. I would

441
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: think we have some similarities and want to know. Got

442
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton on the hook. The rest was history in

443
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: the In the song, you have a line about George

444
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: Bush playing the Nana not eleven attacks. How did you

445
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: handle the controversy that they came with a real question

446
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: that a lot of people wanted to know, but you

447
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: have the encourage to put it on there. We sat

448
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: down and thought about that carefully and we're like, yo,

449
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: maybe it won't reach them, but if it does, that

450
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: means yeah. So once we started getting ladders and emails

451
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: from the White House, and Bill o'rilly made it a

452
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: whole segmental like yo, he did it. Just be careful.

453
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: Now you gotta ride clean and we gotta movie. He

454
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: reached the radar. You know it was good though you've

455
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: been that bad boy rough riders. What made you sign

456
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: with Jason Labor Rocket for the records? We're managed by

457
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: rock Nation and yeah, it just managed. He was also

458
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: the president of the Depth Chym for a while when

459
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I first went over there. That's what got me over there. Action.

460
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh it was a good guy that that keeps it

461
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: under the stayed low with it. But as hard as

462
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: huge here helping anybody out, I mean, at least for

463
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: the at least for the most part on my part,

464
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: never had to really ask him for nothing serious. But

465
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: I always like an ace and old I ever really

466
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: needed something life changing, you know what I mean. He

467
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: does stuff and he looks for no accolades. He not

468
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: trying to set up the press confidence just talk about

469
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: the things that he does. And I think it's hard

470
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: to find individuals like everybody wants to credit for helping

471
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: somebody or everybody want to look what I did over

472
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: all that type of time, And I just think that's

473
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: special to come from the ground, I mean from the

474
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: b from the dirt and being able to rub shoulders

475
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: with the people. He's able to the rooms, he's able

476
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 1: to get in now and not change as a as

477
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. Fourth album, top five that are alive.

478
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: You're able to release that of the d block records,

479
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: what was it like, We're not gonna release something your ship.

480
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: I think the ultimate goal at the end of the

481
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: day is to have some ownership, you know, to work

482
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: for yourself. You know y'all relate to that, you know,

483
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: with the owners and being players. I'm always for the players.

484
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm always for the artists. Is a lot of times

485
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: these labels, these executives, these bigger entities, they make more

486
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: of up off us than we do. So it's cool

487
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: when somebody gives you an opportunity to, you know, change

488
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: your life financially. But I thought, while you want to

489
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: be born the ownership side than just the work all,

490
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: you want to become a partner. So you know, we

491
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: was able to work things out with rough Riders, and

492
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: that's a vision that we always had and the work

493
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: for ourselves, and that's what it is. You've had an

494
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with some of the best in the game.

495
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: You know what has it been like collapsing with some

496
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: of the young bright minds and you know now that

497
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: you're an o G looking back on it, well respected

498
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: in the game. Of course. I think collaborations and working

499
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: with all the artists is something that's missing in the

500
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: music industry right now. And that that we came up

501
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: off that you love hearing them symphonies in the house

502
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and different ones, you know what I mean, from the

503
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: symphony with mall malling them from the scenario, any any

504
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: of them, type of songs of self destruction with everybody. Yeah,

505
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: those were those were the joints back then. Then. I

506
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: guess once the the finances changing, dudes start getting money,

507
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: they started getting a little selfish and and um it

508
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: hurts the culture pos that you just thinking, yo, we

509
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: just hot over here. We don't need to work with that.

510
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: The fans went their head different varieties and different you

511
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, different things together and it makes

512
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: some beautiful art. Music is all at the end of

513
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the day, so you need to do it, but you

514
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: would come from your heart. For one of my bucket

515
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: lists collapses to do a song with Stevie Wonder and

516
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Andre three three Stacks got the same birthday, so I'm

517
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: taking a song that would be crazy called birthday or something,

518
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, something crazy Stevie sing, that's that's my bucket list.

519
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: Stacks agreed to do it. Now we just got to

520
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: reach out to Stevie. Yeah, that's gonna be crazy, it's

521
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna be dope. Sixteen you come back together after a

522
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: sixteen year hiatus with the Locks and come out with

523
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: our Filthy America. It's beautiful. What was it like reunite

524
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: with your people? Although I'm sure you gotta stay close,

525
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's crazy because once we started

526
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: doing solo stuff, We're like, yo, he's gonna do a

527
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: solo album each or something. We're gonna get right back

528
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: to it. That turned into sixteen years later. You just

529
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: start doing toys, you start having kids, you start life

530
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: doing it, and then we always have the group meeting

531
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: and board met and you know we're gonna do it

532
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: and do it, never do it. When we dropped the

533
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: Filthy America just like we we happen to be in

534
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: a studio a lot at a certain time, and we're

535
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: just like we gotta drop some my ep so. But

536
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: we never we was always together all the time. We

537
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: always on the studio, We always see each other a

538
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: few times a week. You never, you know what I mean.

539
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: We were really big on keeping the bond tight as

540
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: you want, separators from every other group. No social media

541
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: slipp it. No body's Twitter got hacked. No, I'm never

542
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna come on a platform like this and throw my

543
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: brothers under the bus or anything remotely close to that.

544
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: So that's what That's one thing I can say about y'all,

545
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Like minimal beasts, if if one or two, but just

546
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: find one, can't find one other. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

547
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: you know what to my minimal beasts outside of the lot.

548
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Even with y'all, y'all one group that even though y'all

549
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: took highest highest, y'all always stayed firm, stay supporting each

550
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: other and stayed together. And that's that's where a lot

551
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: of people should should respect in the game, because you know,

552
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: like you said, when money come, you know, you look

553
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: at the hot boys. You know what I'm saying, different

554
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: things happen when they separate. You know a lot lot

555
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: of stuff can happen when money is involved. You know

556
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that y'all, how y'all stayed together

557
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: with all your different personality, that says a lot about

558
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: how your brotherhood. When we first signed the first deal,

559
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: we we made an oath that we would let no

560
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: music industry or none of that type of stuff intertwine

561
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: and where we already building, keep it tight and keep

562
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: your family staff Friday on the Elm Street. Uh to me,

563
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Fabris right there with you. As far as not getting

564
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: the just do in the credit that y'all put in, Man,

565
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: thatd y'all put into this brother spins off. How did that?

566
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: How did that idea come about? Um? We was, Yeah,

567
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: that's his nickname. He was doing the um he was.

568
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: He was doing these Friday night mixtape joints with Clue,

569
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Like these freestyles he was dropping every Friday night. It

570
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: was super dope. I'm like, yo, I got to get

571
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: in on that, but I wanted to find my own thing.

572
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: So I call Envy and say, yo, I'm gonna drop

573
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: some ships on Friday morning. You know what I'm saying,

574
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: then it became like everybody be waiting on Friday morning

575
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: and then be waiting Friday night. So we had the

576
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: city and a little frenzy. Um, we have been to

577
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: being an officers somewhere, like y'all got this idea, let's

578
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: do this, Freddie and Jason Joy like, yeah, let's go

579
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: to label, let's get some money off, and you know,

580
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: let's do some merger to do a little toy. Let's

581
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: make it, make it an event. And we did it.

582
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: It was cool. It was cool too. I got you know,

583
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: I got real tighter. Me and him got close off

584
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: that just going through some life issues besides doing the music,

585
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's my little bro. We're

586
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna do another one too. You know that. It was dope.

587
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: What's it like working with someone like that? Though? We

588
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's it's not your group, it's

589
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: not your solo, it's you know, one of the homies.

590
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: But you guys going in and knock an album out

591
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: together to put each other, you definitely gotta be able

592
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: to understand them. You definitely gotta be able to vibe.

593
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: You definitely have to be like minded to a certain extent.

594
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: These deep, freshest in the game. Yeah, he coming and

595
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: we're going to do He comes to the studio like

596
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: we're going on stage. Yeah he got No. That's the

597
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: only thing I hated doing the album was going shopping

598
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: with him. You can't stop every day, need you do, dude,

599
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: We gotta do this every day. He gotta go every

600
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: day and find some incredible ship. So other than that,

601
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. But you gotta be able to be

602
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: around somebody to work with. We did something in my studio,

603
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: We did something. His student flew to Miami and did

604
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: some songs. But if you can't be around, to man,

605
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: you you ain't gonna be able to create in this game.

606
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: You run across beef. Jack Jack spoke that, you know,

607
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: guy's never had no internal beef. But you were part

608
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: of a song with j'all rule New York, uh, and

609
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: that caused us song. What a song he had to

610
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: start with? John got you into it and it turned

611
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: into a little bit for y'all. What talked to us

612
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: about that was that nineties ish was that this old

613
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: little thing was that, like man, I think it was

614
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of all of I think Fifth was

615
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: using his marketing because I don't really think I joined

616
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: forces with jobs. Of course we know about John and

617
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: Irvan cash Money Clicking murder in We started out together, damn.

618
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: So we have a relationship. And I think fifth Is

619
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: used that too as a marketing too to do what

620
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: he was doing at the time. Because when I heard

621
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: this song, it was nothing. The song was a good song.

622
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: It was Repy's in New York. Um Cracks was then

623
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: on being featured on it also, so I thought it

624
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: was just a good look for New York that I

625
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: think Fifth Is. I didn't even care. It wasn't like,

626
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to ask his permission to

627
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: do the song. But I didn't think it was going

628
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: rough for his feathers like that even But like I said,

629
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: he's a smart businessman and a hell of a marketer,

630
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: so he was able to to what he did with

631
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: y'all went back and forth with a couple of different

632
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: songs though. Was it was it competitive nature is? It

633
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: was it awesome for me for me, for me the

634
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Beanie when I went out, and that one was more

635
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: personal for me because it felt like it felt I

636
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: felt tighter. I didn't I didn't know Fifth when he

637
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: said whatever he said, but it was a little bit.

638
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: It seemed a little weird because before that he got

639
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: a song where he's saying all of the hard and

640
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: was to come from Yankeys, So it's like, what he

641
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: he ain't contradicting yourself a little bit. So I knew

642
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: from that. We knew that it wasn't really like SERI

643
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't that internal because we knew that

644
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: he was he was checking for us favor, saying that

645
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: one of his songs like you guys later performed uh

646
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: at This is fifty festival and oh nine obviously that

647
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: this the ship has was all you know, dream it um?

648
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: What was that like? Though? Actually working with them after

649
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was cool. Like I said, it

650
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: wasn't a we knew once and once we ever sat

651
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: down and talked like men, and I handed out it

652
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: was gonna be a short brief thing because it wasn't

653
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: no internal There was no nucleus there. It wasn't like

654
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: something we ain't We ain't from the same hood, We

655
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: don't know the same you know, we know some of

656
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: the same people, but it wasn't like one of them,

657
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: oh grudge that needed to be be solved. I mean

658
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: like him and jobs whatever they had, they still that's

659
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: a different that's an old different thing. And this was

660
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: nothing even mobly close to that. The beef with the rap,

661
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: beef with the basic thing of mine enjoyed because nobody

662
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: got hurt, but just the power and the lyrics it

663
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: was it was real, Bro. You know what I'm saying,

664
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Like the best of the events going ball, foot ball.

665
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I I can't lie, Bro,

666
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. I'm glad that, you know, nobody got

667
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: hurt in it. But the song for songs like he

668
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: was waiting for the reply, he was waiting for those replies, bro,

669
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: and that hip hop needed that at the time. I

670
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: can't lie. Hip hop needed that at the time, Bro,

671
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Everybody needed it. You see. That's that's another thing like

672
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: now it's not much of that because it will get

673
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: overpowered by trolling, tweets and Instagram comedic videos. Opposed to

674
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: back then, you just had to go to the studio

675
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: and load up and then they send the shot. You

676
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: send the shot. But now it's so much other things

677
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: to overpower the music. You can just do content and

678
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: and grass the people like that. So it took away

679
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: from that part of the competitive nature for the music,

680
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: because every since cool Mo dn LLLF, since you can

681
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: go back, there's always been a light feud in the

682
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: airplop that keeps the coach of it. Everybody can get

683
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: involved with nobody getting hurt or no, you know what

684
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean. The studio, it'll it'll go outside and that's

685
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: bad for the coach. Yeah. Uh, we spoke before the show,

686
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: but you've got a big versus coming up at the garden.

687
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: I wish we can be there because I know it's

688
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna be in I ain't saying styles. Peter is hyping

689
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: a long time pee Pee pee, and Jimmy is on

690
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: they they're doing the twenty four hour seven, a great

691
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: rendition of it they're doing and they're selling this thing

692
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: at the top of the line. Here shout out Jimmy.

693
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: That shout o Jimmy. I talked to Jimmy and Path yesterday,

694
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: but talk about how that came about and and the

695
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: fact that you guys are gonna be in Madison Square

696
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Garden with a live audience going back and forth with

697
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: your brother. Well, first things first, we're going on Toll

698
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: in September, Locks and Dips at so I think that's

699
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: what that's the that's what people don't know. We um

700
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: we hatta. We had a we had a pre show

701
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: of the tour July three in Norfolk, Virginia. It was great,

702
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: it was sold out, it was great. And then I

703
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: think the talk started happened. I think Tim and Swiss

704
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: seen that and they're like, Yo, this would be good

705
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: for Versus. No, only a couple of groups winning. It

706
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: was R and B group. So for New York. He

707
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: was able to get the Garden just a big thing.

708
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: And then that's gonna help the tour because we're going

709
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: on tour the next few weeks right after Versus. So

710
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: it's so it's all. It's all good for the culture.

711
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: It's good for hip hop, locks and dips. That has

712
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: always been New York groups on the on the top

713
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: level of rap. So you go, we gotta come to Atlanta. Definitely. Yeah,

714
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I got to pull up to that. Definitely. How do

715
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: you feel about the Versus matter? You had with fab

716
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: what's the nickname what you called us? This is? Yeah,

717
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: it was dope. It was that was more like a

718
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: because we talked about it a few times. They really

719
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: asked us that we want to do it. That wasn't

720
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: like to fight promotives how they're doing all of them.

721
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: They know, you want to go up there with your

722
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: brother and represent your catalog, But then the media and

723
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: the boroughs and your demographics and entourager is always gonna

724
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: put that who's gonna win and this and that, So

725
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: you gotta deal with that party, which I'm cool with.

726
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: H me. I've always been underdog, so I love h

727
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: There was a hashtag and the meme of h Jada

728
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: drunk that then went viral. Special change off that yeah,

729
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: drunk is um um. People my friends and loved ones

730
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: and family, they always saw that side of it. Was

731
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: just that with the camera on that the world never saw.

732
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: I was just in regular forms. Start seeing me like that.

733
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: I was regular legit to the people that know me.

734
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: It was just a shock to those that have never

735
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: seen me have a sip and and and and loosen

736
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: up a little. But it was. It was definitely the

737
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: calls that came to the next day movie scripts and

738
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: liquor endorsements and all type of wow ship you know.

739
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if I saw some merch sold a nice

740
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: amount of merch off that it was dope made a

741
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: beneficial going into that is everything kind of planned out.

742
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, bam bam, bam, what song's gonna play? Are

743
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: you feeling his energy and switching ship out? Like, how

744
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: do you pick what you're gonna perform? You put a

745
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: staff that I got my son over there. I used

746
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: my son. I used poops, which is like to Phil

747
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: Jackson the d Block. We use our DJ and use ourselves.

748
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: We go to the hood actually young and just we

749
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: try to get a whole We get a bunch of

750
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: lists from everybody. We narrow them down, now them down

751
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: some more. We do some or overthinking. We put a

752
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: put a stash list over there. You put a list

753
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: that they might try to come with from over there,

754
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: and then you put your strategy together, you know, twenty

755
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: four hours before that. But doing that from whenever they

756
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: say it helps it out your menace. I definitely was prepping.

757
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: A lot of dudes don't prep like you know what

758
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean. I think preparation is everything, whether there's a celebration,

759
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: a real war, whatever it is, shooting around the real game.

760
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: The preparation got don't be the same for when I mean,

761
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean we're in twenty one right now, what do

762
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: you miss from what you call the Golden era, but

763
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: it's the freedom. Um. I missed the privacy m hm,

764
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you know. I mean everything that happened then was just

765
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: in there nobody. You can go everywhere, no bunch of

766
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: phones in your face, bunches, you know what I mean.

767
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about that. I missed the

768
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: collaborals that we were just talking about, the symphony type

769
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: of songs. I missed that. They don't appreciate the album

770
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: that's prepared on top of the stove opposer a microwave

771
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: run project, you know what I mean. And that's due

772
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: to the money that that the executing that they missed

773
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: not getting with the whole digital wave. So now they

774
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: play catch up and we got to get the short

775
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: into the stick because some business that they fucked. Podcasting,

776
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: you did some work with Kenyan Martin tramart Um. You

777
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: know you off air you spoke about getting possibly your

778
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: own space. What was that experience like and are you

779
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: gonna try to get your own podcasts? Yeah, shout out

780
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: to kmart Um. I think it was dope. It was

781
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: a little it was a little rough because we wasn't

782
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: able to be on location with each other. So sometimes

783
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: you get some problems with it and you get some

784
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: things going crazy, But for the most part, it was dope.

785
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: I got a lot of great feedback. I love talking

786
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: about sports. You know. You know what they say, sports

787
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: dudes and and entertainment day they go end and glove

788
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: with each other. So um, you know, I played sports

789
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: in high school, little league coming up, so I could

790
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: talk sports all day. I rather rather talk sports and music.

791
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: Just the experience of of of letting people see another

792
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: side of you and being able to engage with the people.

793
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: I think it's dope being an athlete coming up. What

794
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: were Who were some of the teams and players you

795
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: admired growing up and still check for these days. I

796
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: love Magic Boom. You know, I love Magic. I was

797
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: a point guard. I love his passes. I love watching birds.

798
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Then this just basketball and general watching y'all guys come up.

799
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: I've been around when I was. I was in the

800
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: party with you when you was on the sixes. I

801
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: was watching start on um Oak Hill. I'm a I'm

802
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: a real fan of basketball and sports in general, more

803
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: so basketball and football. But I really know stuff about

804
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: y'all that y'all probably like, don't you know, I'm being

805
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: I really look into it. I'm really conversation. See, I

806
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: think it's dope because I was such a big fan

807
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: and I even told you that nothing. It's crazy because

808
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if you remember meeting me, this

809
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: is like oh three, you know, I wasn't even I

810
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: got traded with Webb but fucking Philey, so I was

811
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: doing getting high and remember but I ran into Jady

812
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: Kiss and I don't really ever get star struck. But

813
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I ran into brom like, oh ship, that's Jenny Kiss

814
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: like that. It was exciting to me, you know what

815
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean that I've been a man. I've been I've

816
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: been knowing you. Let match it. This though, how did

817
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: the AI commercial come about? That ship was hard? That

818
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: is the when? The when? Actually, that's that's another thing

819
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't get credit for. One of the first that's

820
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: one of the first spots that went crazy that whenly

821
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: connected with basketball and basketball and accepted it, they broke

822
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: the you know what I mean, Stern had to loose

823
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: enough for that and like, yo, this is a good

824
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: this is good. What you don't know is the reason

825
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: why I was big was because as players are, like okay,

826
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: a I already showed us that we could be who

827
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: we are and not have to change nothing. But now

828
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: he didn't brought one of our favorite rappers that speaking

829
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: for us in the game, brought him to our world.

830
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's why that commercial was

831
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: so big and it still resonates today that I think

832
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I met. I met him early because like I said,

833
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: was we we used to sit around and watch Georgetown games,

834
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: the old crew and just go crazy. So once I

835
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: was able to meet him after he got drafted, he

836
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: just embraced me like a bro, like yo, I love

837
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: He was like, I love you, red Man. This that

838
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So then I always kept

839
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: the relationship with him. Steve Stout, I had something going

840
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: on with Reebok at the time, and they when they

841
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: gave him his deal, and they was they was looking

842
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: at the door or at the track masters. They called

843
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: me over to coming to the student and listen to

844
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: this track. It was. It was dope because it was

845
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: the baseline and the whole track was made up of

846
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: the screeching and the sneakers and they put it together

847
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: a fire. I'm like, this is fire, and they're like, yo,

848
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: you want to do it this fold and I was

849
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: want to do it. Kind of question is that, um

850
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: we knocked it out, was able to do one and

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