1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: And welcome back, George Nori with you. Suzanne Wilson back 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 2: with us, Arizona based author, medium, paranormal presenter. She is 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: scientifically verified research medium known as the care Free Medium, 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: and has a master's degree in Public affairs policy a 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: bachelor's degree in management. She has researched and is well 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: informed on many paranormal topics. Tonight we'll be talking about 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: some of her other thoughts. Suzanne, welcome back. How have 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: you been. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: I'm really happy to be here. Thanks George. Excited about tonight? 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: You all ready for Christmas? 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Bring it on. I just got back from what 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 3: felt like the land of Christmas. I was over in 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: Budapest and Prague doing some work over there, insight seeing, 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: and I came back with the Christmas spirit. Now it's 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: all over Arizona too. 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: How about you getting ready? Getting ready? I've still got 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: about the little lesson two weeks, so I'm okay. 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: You'll make it. 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely. You've talked about the veil before. What does that mean? 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: Well, when we have to use labels, we need to 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: have a common language. So many people have heard of 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: the veil between worlds, the living and the dead, or 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: as I call them, the so called living, because many 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: of the so called dead are much more lively. The 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: other side of life is our true home, where souls 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: that have bodies, not bodies that have souls. So this 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: veil is a sort of a construction or a separation 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: that allows us to live our normal lives on Earth. 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: When we're on the other side of life, we can 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: see through it. When we're here on Earth, the veil 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: protects us so that we can have our human experiences. 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: It's a separation. 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: The separation, though what does it mean when you unveil 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: the veil? 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: That's when interesting things start happening. And that's what I 37 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: really want to dive into tonight with you, George, because 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: we're in a period of time where that veil is 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: so thin and getting thinner that we have a tremendous 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: increase in paranormal activity and people hearing from their beloved pets, 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: and people who have crossed over connecting with guides. And 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: there's some reasons why it's getting easier to not have 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: to go and get a reading, but make a direct 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: connection right now. And I think you'll find it fascinating. 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: You've looked at some hot spots around the country and 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: probably the planet. Where are some hotspots these days? 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: Well, it's really funny because right now, driving your car 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: is one good hot spot. There are some surveys out 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: about people who have been seeing unidentified anomaloust phenomena in 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: the sky that is increased over the last year even 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: and people seeing ghostly images alongside of the road, and 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: that's happening especially. We have a lot of information on 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: that in the United States right now. But some of 54 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: the hot spots are cities like San Diego, Colorado, and 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: eastern and central Europe have a lot of hot spots 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: anywhere that there has been a lot of emotion, a 57 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: lot of history, and a lot of people investigating, collecting 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: data in evidence. We can call that a hot spot. 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: But I mean, somebody listening to this right now can 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: be living in a house that is a veritable hot 61 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: spot just because of the level of activity and the 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: types of activity is going on. And it's not scary, 63 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: not necessarily scary. Sometimes people can be startled, but we're 64 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: getting contacted is helpful, hope for healing as well. 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: You were in the land of where Harry Houdini was. 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Of course, he was obsessed with finding mediums good ones, 67 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: and he wanted to really get to the bad ones, 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: didn't he? 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. And I got to have a private 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: tour of David Merlini's House of Houdini when it is 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: the largest, I think, repository of Houdini memorabilia. His handcuffs 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: are there, a lot of the accouterment that he used 73 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: for the things that he did as an escape artist. 74 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: And wow, I mean people there were people that came 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: in after me that said they could feel the energy 76 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: in that place is very exciting. I didn't sense Harry 77 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: Houdini or Eric Weiss there as his original name was. 78 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: I didn't sense him myself, but I tell you just 79 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: to see the handcuffs that he used and to stay 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: for a magic show. His presence is certainly there. But 81 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: he did not love mediums. There's a well documented history 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: of him wanting to out the frauds that took advantage 83 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: of people, and then also him passing on Hallow and 84 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: his wife continuing to try to contact him unsuccessfully. 85 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was obsessed with trying to find the real 86 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: mediums and to just nail the frauds. 87 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the research that I've done, it just feels 88 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: like he wanted to believe but couldn't believe. And part 89 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: of that is that that seems like it was his 90 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: challenge in life also is to search. He's a truth seeker, 91 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 3: but an entertainer as well, and just a dynamo of 92 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: a person. 93 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: Let's talk about after death communications, Susanne, and also when 94 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: did you get your gifts? How did it develop? 95 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: I had it as a child, and I'm not going 96 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: to try to present myself as some kind of wunderkind that, 97 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so great. Your loved ones all 98 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: talk to me. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: I try to push it aside, George, because I wanted 100 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: to whe I did not want to be crazy Susie, 101 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: as I was called in school and get bullied for 102 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: the things I saw and said that I saw because 103 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: I couldn't shut up. I tried to have a normal life, 104 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: and then things happened in adult years where I had 105 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: to push aside the whole corporate and academ career and 106 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: just say, look, this is who I am. Too many 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: things are happening to me to get my attention. So 108 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: then I studied, I studied with good teachers. I submitted 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: myself to scientific double blind and triple blind experiments try 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: to add to the body of knowledge about mediumship. And 111 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm trying to teach other people how to do this 112 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: themselves now. So it's been a you know, I will 113 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: say this. The teacher once told me, you will be 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: the best medium you can be on the last day 115 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: of your life, because you're always improving. And I kind 116 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: of turn that around and say, we'll be the best 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: human beings we can be on the last stay of 118 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: our lives. It's all learning and growth. 119 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Did your family encourage you? 120 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: I had a granddad who was a Presbyterian preacher who 121 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: I can fight it in as a child, and when 122 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: I told him the things I was seeing and experiencing, 123 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: to my relief, he said, I see them too, and 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: he talked with me about you know, how to manage 125 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: the ability, but also that this is something that's given 126 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: to you by God, and later on in life I 127 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: would figure out exactly what to do with it, and boy, 128 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: it was a long circuitous route. I would call myself 129 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: a late bloomer. And then there's the rest of the 130 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: world that seemed like that didn't really want to encourage 131 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: anything that felt scary or bad. I think he was 132 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: an anomalist person himself, being involved in the church, having 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: a PhD in metaphysical sciences. I'm really lucky that I 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: had him. He was gone when I was young. I 135 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: was a teenager when he passed, so I lost my 136 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: mentor and kind of lost my way for a while. 137 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: But you know, fate, God source always brings us back 138 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: to what we're meant to do. 139 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: He explain to us your definition of after death communications. 140 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: Well, we have definitions of after death communications thanks to 141 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: the work of researchers of the last twenty decades. In 142 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 3: modern times, I would point to Bill and Judy Guggenheim 143 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: and their seminal book Hello from Heaven, which I've given 144 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: away so many copies of that over the years that 145 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: finally the day came when I met Bill Guggenheim, who's 146 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: now on the other side. I told him how many 147 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: copies they've given away, and he said, I'll have set 148 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: you books if I knew you, And you said. 149 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: Have asked. 150 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: But the after death communications include a wide range of ways. 151 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: For example, signs, symbols, synchronicities. I call them those freaky 152 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: dgy coincidences that tell you something else is going on here, 153 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: something special, dream visits, out of body experiences with visits, 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: and so many more things using devination tools. After the 155 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: communications are directly between the spirit person and the so 156 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: called living person. 157 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: You've talked about in the past that when somebody dies 158 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: it could take now up to two years for communication 159 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: to occur. How'd you come up with that number? 160 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: Well, a couple things. It's two years right now, especially 161 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: because of the thinning of the veil, and we can 162 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: talk about, you know, what's working on the veil, what's 163 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: making that happen. But also if you look at their 164 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: research into grief and healing grief, it is the first 165 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: two years when the person really desperately wants to know 166 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 3: that their loved one on the other side is okay. 167 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: In that first year, if that person's really close to 168 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: them or that pet is particularly close to them, the 169 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: grief is really heavy and they're getting also they're getting 170 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: assistance from loved ones around them. And the second year, 171 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: they say, is often the hardest because people are like, 172 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: aren't you over that by now? Shouldn't it be a 173 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: little bit better, a lot better by now? And there's 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: sort of left on their own, and those emotions can 175 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: run so high, and that feeling of being alone or 176 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: abandoned and just coping and trying to get through a 177 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: new life as you know it without that person or 178 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: pet can block the communications, can block you from recognizing 179 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 3: your adc or after death communications to signs and so forth. 180 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: And right now we've been in a two year period 181 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: that started this year of a really extra special sinning 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: of the veil that if somebody has lost a pet 183 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: or person very close to them this year, next year 184 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: is going to be easier than it has been in 185 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: a long time to hear from them directly. 186 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: Why does it even have to take time? 187 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: It shouldn't, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you get the 188 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: dream visit as the person has passed that come to 189 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: you that night and let you know I've passed away. 190 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: It doesn't have to take that long, but it can. 191 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: And we have to let that be okay, because we 192 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: who are here, we're the ones that are left behind 193 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: to finish living our lives before we join them. We're 194 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: the problem. We're the thing that holds up the communication. 195 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: And it's okay. It's not a judgment, it's not a 196 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 3: failing on our part, but we have to experience our grief. 197 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: We can just tuck it to the side and start 198 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: getting readings every day to feed our hurt feelings and 199 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: keep our ego afloat. We really are here to experience, 200 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: unfortunately the pain of the separation, because it highlights the 201 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: beauty of the love that we have, so our grief 202 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: actually gets in the way. 203 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: Susan, why is it so important to deal with the dead. 204 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: Because we are them and we are going home when 205 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: we pass, And I don't want to encourage anybody to 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: go home early. I say home with a capital age, 207 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: meaning our true home, the spirit world. We're all going 208 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: back there. We're not going to escape death and taxes, right, 209 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: and to understand ourselves. We can get a more care 210 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: free life and get more out of our life here 211 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: and be kinder to ourselves than others. If we understand 212 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: there's no escape from ourselves. You are not going to 213 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: be able to have lights out. It's all over. Someday, 214 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: You're going to continue, You're going to go on. So 215 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: accepting the greater reality that life is forever is us 216 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: not always here on earth, will empower you and encourage 217 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: you to live by the golden rule to treat others 218 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: as you would have them treat you. That helps us 219 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: bring a little bit of heaven to Earth. Now, I'm 220 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: not saying all this to fluff up people and say 221 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: be nice, but I'm telling you you will never escape yourself. 222 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: All of your thoughts, words, and actions or inactions are 223 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: going to go with you wherever you go to next 224 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: when you leave the body here, And we have some 225 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: idea of what that place is. And it's a world 226 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: without pain, it's a world without death or illness, and 227 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: it's a busy world with a lot of creativity. But 228 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: we'll be talking about things we did and didn't do 229 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: here on Earth, And won't you want to be proud 230 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: of you mostly did the best you could every day. 231 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Sure do tell us the unusual story of the dead 232 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: person who used artificial intelligence to communicate with the living. 233 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been bugging me and it's in a 234 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: while now, and now it seems like it's it's taking 235 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: off even more, where people are paying companies to recreate 236 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: their deceased loved one and they supply the company with 237 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: access to their loved ones social media. They give them 238 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: full access to the emails and texts that they've shared 239 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: with each other, and an AI form of that love 240 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: one is created so that the client can then interact 241 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: with the loved one. And a couple of years ago, 242 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: when my client presented me with I've been doing this 243 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: and it's got a little weird, he was told when 244 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: he made us purchase that this this version of your 245 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: loved one will not really create new content. It has 246 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: to be something searchable, some exchange of information you've had before. Well, 247 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: this a version of the loved one was creating new content, 248 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: new stories, new subject areas, and I really feel like 249 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: my client was getting quite addicted to it. Now. I've 250 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: interviewed a couple of people who are working in this 251 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: field now since that whole incident was shared with me, 252 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: and they're saying, yes, we're putting controls on that, we're 253 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: asking a therapist to be involved, so this can have 254 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: a therapeutic application. But it's just I don't know, as 255 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: somebody who's had to sit in a laboratory with the 256 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: university professor and be tested and give evidence that I'm 257 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: really in contact with the soul. They're giving evidence that 258 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: nobody could know and it's confirmed. It kind of just 259 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: creeps me out a little bit. I know that's weird 260 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: in and of itself, right, but it kind of creeps 261 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: me out that somebody would trust a computer program to 262 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: represent their loved one, and I think it's a danger 263 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: road we might go down here. 264 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: Wasn't Edison obsessed with trying to communicate with the dead? 265 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: Yes, oh my goodness. And he was one of the 266 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: original brains working on the soul phone, and there is 267 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: evidence that strongly suggests that he's still working as part 268 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: of what doctor Gary Schwartz calls his a team and 269 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: spirit that is helping him create a soul phone at 270 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: the University of Arizona now on the Soul Phone Foundation. 271 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: So the work goes on. Like I said, we're not 272 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: going to die, We're not going to end. And if 273 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: we get to the other side and we still want 274 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: to work and we want to work with people here, 275 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: a way will be found. 276 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: Is that advisory board still around, that Soul Phone advisory board? 277 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. And I haven't been able to 278 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: be involved with it for a while. I was very 279 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: involved for quite a while, but I'm travel a lot, 280 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: have other things I have to work on for myself. 281 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: But I will tell you, these are really dedicated people 282 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: that the whole vision there is to bring peace to 283 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: the world by helping to create evidence that shows that 284 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: what have just been saying and what you know is 285 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: that we're never going to escape ourselves. It's never going 286 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: to be lights out. We go on, so we should 287 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 3: do a good job of being good human beings. So 288 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: it's a good thing. But with the veil fitning, who knows, 289 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: maybe we won't need a cull phone. Maybe we are 290 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: our own individuals soull phones. The jury still out. 291 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 292 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 293 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: com for more