1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: NFL camps starting up. Yep, you see there on the screen, 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Penn State head coach James Franklin, my pick to play 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: for the National Championship against Texas. Diana Russini, the athletic 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: haven't seen her in a while. NFL camps underway starting 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: right now. Let's bring Diana in. Covered the NFL for 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: now ten years. So let me start with this. And 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: it was a self created story a little bit. But 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin and Greg McElroy, two people I trust, said, 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean people that are very well connected in the SEC, 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: said Saban. Back to coaching is not off the table. 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's college just because of the 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: NIL and schools now are raising so much money for 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: players they can't pay the fire staffs and rehire Saban. 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: But when you hear Saban in the NFL. I mean, Diana, 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: there's six openings a year. Coordinators are a coin flip. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: College coaches aren't getting chances now because NFL teams don't 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: want to buy them out of their NIL deals. What 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: about Saban? NFL? Does it make sense to you. No, 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: it's true. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: You're hearing college coaches trying to get out. Bill Belichick 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: was trying to get in. You talked to the jets 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: of all teams last year just to get back into 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: the NFL. You know, Look, you get a varied of 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,279 Speaker 3: opinions here in terms of what Nick Saban really wants 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: to do, even just talking to some people once that 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: came out. Now, look, I love Greg McElroy. He's a 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: good friend of mine Lane Kiff, and I think he 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: may have spoken without any knowledge. I think he just 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: understands that coach loves to coach, and it's hard to 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: imagine that he wants to just continue to do television 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: and when most of these guys were just built to 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: be teachers, and that's what Nick Saban truly is. 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: But I had one head. 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: Coach saying to me this morning when we were talking 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: about this, he said, here's the problem. I think there's 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: just such a bad taste left in Saban's mouth no 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: matter how you look at it. He said, so much 45 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: success at Alabama. That's a program that just pumps out 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: good player after good player. They built something great and 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: that just doesn't translate in the NFL. And Saban figured 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: that out when he went to Miami. He obviously had 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: experience on the college level at a high level at 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: LSU in Michigan State and then wound up going back 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: to Alabama. 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: But it's such a different type of. 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: Game, you know, whereas I touch a general manager who's like, 54 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: I could see Nick Saban having tons of success if 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: he wanted to do it. But I get to speak 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: to anyone in the NFL who's like, you know who 57 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: you should keep an eye on this season, next save 58 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: and I could see him hopping in this. 59 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: I think he likes his gig. 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's I look around and last year 61 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Jason said before the season, Chicago will be the most 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: interesting team, and they were, but it was mostly based 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: on dysfunction and a coach in the hot seat. And 64 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: I look at them now and I'm like, I don't 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: see a lot of dysfunction. I mean, the family, there's 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: a lot of kids in the family. It's one of 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: the poor older ownership groups. But I kind of look 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: at the Bears and I think Nick Wright came on 69 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: earlier and said, if there's one great team that could 70 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: potentially drop, it's Detroit because they lost both great coordinators. 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: In your visits with people around the league and this 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: is gossip season, this is fun season. How do people 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: truly feel about Chicago off Mike when they're talking to 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Diana Russini, it's not going anywhere. It's our people intrigued. 75 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Are other teams intrigued by Chicago and Ben and Caleb? 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, they certainly are intrigued, And I feel like most 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: are seeing Chicago as this isn't going to be in 78 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: apples to Apple's offense, where what we saw in Detroit 79 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: with Jery Goff under Ben Johnson is going to be 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: what the Chicago Bears are going to be with Caleb Williams. 81 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: I think on paper, that sounds great and that was 82 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: the idea in Chicago saw that in Detroit, which is 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: why Ben Johnson was one of their top candidates of 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: this is what we need, this is what Caleb needs 85 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: to develop to take that next step. But it's very 86 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: fair for us to say here that Caleb is very talented, 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: but he still needs a lot of coaching, right, And 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: that's where Ben Johnson's going to step in here, and 89 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: he really has his hands full. 90 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: He's because he's got a lot of work to do. 91 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: So for me, I think the question is going to 92 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: be can Caleb Williams digest as much of the playbook 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: as we saw Jared Goff do with Detroit. 94 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: I just think it's going to take a while. 95 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: You know, this is a team that really was built 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: in the offseason and under Ben Johnson here from the 97 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: inside out. 98 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: I'm not worried about the run game of the year. 99 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: I think that's where they'll do well. 100 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: But it's really going to be that the passing, that 101 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: development in the pocket of Caleb Williams, that's going to 102 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: be the true test. 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: And look, they gave him an offensive line. 104 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: Every year we talk about Chicago's got to get better 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: up front, They got to get better. Now they're going 106 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: to be able to protect Caleb and we're going to 107 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: be able to see what they can really do. So 108 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: I tend to believe, and even just from the conversations 109 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: I have with people during the off season, while they're 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: on the beach with their families driving in traffic. Most 111 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: believed that the Chicago Bears are going to take a 112 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: step forward. You know, And this isn't me having conversations 113 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: with your new colleague, big Cat telling me this. 114 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: This is actual people that coach football. 115 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, In all the years I've been 116 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: doing this, I don't think there's ever been a bigger 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: gap in how talking heads me saw player shaud Or 118 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: Sanders and how the league saw it. Because I don't 119 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: think he went from first to the fifth round just 120 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: based on you know, I mean, Dion didn't do him 121 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: any favors. You know, we're not going to play for 122 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: this team, this team, this team. While he was talking 123 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: directly to the bad teams that we're going to draft him. 124 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 1: It wasn't talking about the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Bills 125 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: and the Lions, right, he was we're not going here 126 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: here here, Well, you're talking to the people that could 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: employ you. So I don't think that helped. And so 128 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe I was just they've been caught up in the 129 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: whole Dion should or thing expectations. Mary kay cabot I trush. 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: She says, yeah, he's got a shot, he'll be in 131 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: the running to play. What do you think? What do 132 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: you hear? Were we in the media just a little 133 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: hyper bollock on how good he was because to drop 134 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: to the fifth rounds, that's a non starter in the NFL, 135 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: that's a backup quarterback round. 136 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we were excited. I think everyone was. 137 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: I was on the show with you talking about him 138 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: a lot as well, where we thought maybe there's some 139 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: star potential here that was possibly masking the ability and 140 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: all those things that are important not just on the field, 141 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: but when you're in the locker room, when you're in 142 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: these meeting rooms, things that a lot of these organizations 143 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: prioritize that I think in some of these visits, in 144 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: some of these meetings, you know, they just didn't go 145 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: as well as I think from the outside those hopes 146 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 3: it would. 147 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: So what's this going to look. 148 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: Like in Cleveland right under Kevin Stefanski. Look, I think 149 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: we've been doing this a long time. We kind of 150 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: know how this works, right. So Joe Flacco's been in 151 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: Stefanski's system before. We know he's a veteran, he's smart 152 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: as heck. He understands what Kevin wants. So he's going 153 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: to get all the first team reps. He's gonna get 154 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: a majority of it, and we're going to see him 155 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: probably take the biggest step in terms of being the 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: starter this year for the Cleveland Browns. Right, But then 157 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: you've got three other players here that they've got to 158 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: split these reps up with. So I do think the 159 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: good news for someone like you who I think wants 160 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: to see Shador, we're going to see him. 161 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: We'll see a lot of him this summer. 162 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: Because I don't envision Kevin Stefanski throwing Joe Flacco out there, 163 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, for preseason game one and two. I don't 164 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: think he cares. I think he knows what Joe can do. 165 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: So I think this is going to give us an opportunity. 166 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: I just think I can tell you just based on 167 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: what the Browns did and where they drafted Shador, we 168 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: know where he stands. The excitement's always going to be 169 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: around him, but the reality's going to hit us here. 170 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: And at this point it's Picket Gabriel and then Shaudre 171 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: and then Deshaun who you know, he's out his honey. 172 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: I don't know where he is, but he's somewhere he'll 173 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: be there. 174 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: You know. 175 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: That's pretty much the situation there. 176 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: So we'll see we're gonna get a lot of answers 177 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: this summer. But again, he's not going to have the 178 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: advantage of these reps, and we got to keep that 179 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: in mind when we do see him out there because 180 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: the majority of those are going to go to the 181 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: players that were either drafted higher or signed in free agency. 182 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Finally, you're close to the Philadelphia Eagles where you're based. 183 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: They're Super Bowl champs? Are you? Is that the Is 184 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: that the first camp you're going to getting the red 185 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: carpet treatment? 186 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 4: That'll be the day. 187 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: This is what happens when you win, you turn your 188 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: back on those that are loyal to you. Uh no, 189 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: you know what it's I'm actually far from Philly. I'm 190 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: closer to the Jets and the Giants. Like from my location, 191 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: that's where the red carpet treatment comes, especially at the Jets. 192 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 4: You know they love me there. 193 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: Uh. 194 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 4: Now the Philadelphia he goes. 195 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: Look, I am intrigued by them simply because again I 196 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: see it every year. 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: We see it every year. 198 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: It is hard to win back to back and it 199 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: is hard to come off a top the championship that 200 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: they just did and the way they celebrate and all 201 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: the love that they got, the good old saying of 202 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: you know, Martinez are like success, they relax you you know, now, 203 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: do I think Seguon Barkley is gonna chill out in 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: no way? And he's just not built like that. And 205 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: if you follow on on Instagram, I don't think he 206 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: took a day off. So I'm curious to see how 207 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: the Eagles are going to come back this year, knowing 208 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: that they just they have this victory. 209 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: But I'm off to Denver and Colin. I hope we're 210 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 4: gonna be on. 211 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 3: The show a lot this season talking about them because 212 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: I've got some high hopes for them. This is a 213 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: defense that front five. They are underrated. This is a 214 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: monster group. And I know we talk about Sean Payton's 215 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: offenses all the time, and you know, we'll get there 216 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: in a second. But when I think about the Denver 217 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: Broncos and the strength of this team, it's their defense. 218 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: The last two seasons they've been able to carry them. 219 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: And now with the experience and I say experienced Bo 220 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: Nicks because we know how much he played in college. 221 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: You know, we're not talking about like a JJ McCarthy. Here, 222 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: we're talking about a second year quarterback. He's got tons 223 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: of playtime, has understood the Sean Payton language, the playbook. 224 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see a big step taken 225 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: forward here. And by the way, he's got Edvan Ingram right, 226 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: And I say Evan Ingram and you think, like, Okay, 227 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: big deal. Davis Webb is the quarterback coach in Denver. Okay, 228 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: Davis Webb played with Evan Ingram and there is a 229 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: big reason why Ingram is there in Denver, and it's 230 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: because Davis Webb was able to sell to Sean Payton 231 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: what Ingram could do for bon Nicks and how he 232 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: could play that joker and really be another option outside 233 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: Courtland Sutton for bo Nicks. So I just think this 234 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: is one of those teams that they took a step forward. Yes, 235 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 3: it's the Sean Payton effect, but this is where we're 236 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: going to really see a team contending, and I think 237 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: that division knows it. 238 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: Diana Russini, senior NFL insider of the Athletic. It's great scene. 239 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: You kind of I'm kind of bummed. 240 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 4: In and mentioned my tan. 241 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 6: You work hard on it. 242 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: It did well, I look at you as such a journalist. 243 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to get caught up and do appearance. 244 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 4: You just you just forget it all. Here's the thing. 245 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: I wear SPS fifty five zero, and it's like my 246 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: skin just like it's just drawn to the sud. 247 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: I tried. 248 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: I try not to because my thought is who wants 249 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: to see someone tan on TV? Because if I'm watching 250 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 3: me right now, I'm thinking this girl doesn't work, she says, 251 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: by the pool all day. 252 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: But I'm working. 253 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 4: I swear, I'm just working with sunscreen on. 254 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: Will wear a sweater that's way up there on the chain. Grace. 255 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: Let's not talk football whether yet. It was great to 256 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: see you. 257 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: I'll see you soon, all right. I don't know why 258 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I really don't know why. I'm so fascinated. 259 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland's probably the worst team in the league. They got 260 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks, none in their prime and none good. Am 261 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: I so fascinated with that story. It's weird. I'm really 262 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: really interested in the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation. That's weird. 263 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: One more Heard the Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 264 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search Herd 265 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 266 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 7: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 267 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 7: five to seven pm Eastern. 268 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 8: But here's the thing. 269 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 7: We never have enough time to get to everything we 270 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 7: want to get to. 271 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 8: And that's why we have a brand new podcast called 272 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 8: over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in 273 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 8: our two hour show. 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Listen over Promised with Cavino and 292 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 8: Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 293 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 8: get your podcasts. 294 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Jmackle the news, Turn. 295 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 6: On the news, this is the herd Line News. 296 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 5: Let's go to San Francisco or the Niners training camp 297 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 5: opened up for veterans today and all odds are on 298 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 5: Rock Party, who's gonna have his first action at camp 299 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: since getting his lucrative five year, two hundred and sixty 300 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 5: five million dollar extension. 301 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 6: And as we are contractually obligated to do. 302 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 5: Here is a screen shot Colin of the highest paid 303 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 5: quarterbacks per year, Rock Perty checking in one, two, three, 304 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 5: seventh right down, tied with Jared Goff, well behind Deck 305 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: Prescott and his no. 306 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 6: Conference championships appearances. It's interesting. 307 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: The producer for this segment said, so, like, what's an 308 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: expectation for Perty? He gets this huge deal and I 309 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 5: and I said, honestly, he has to win the Super 310 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 5: Bowl or Colin's gonna find a way to knock him down. 311 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: A thing that's not true. No, that is true, Colin. 312 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 6: Here's one Well, he has. 313 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: To win the division. That's it. 314 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: And then he loses in the first round of the 315 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 5: Packers and we're gonna take shots at No, you can't. 316 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 6: That's not gonna work. 317 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 5: Well, he looked lost in the Super Bowl des by 318 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: getting them a lead in overtime to the Chiefs at 319 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 5: Rock Perty couldn't get He got. 320 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: To win a playoff game. If you're gonna get paid 321 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: fifty three million a year to be a quarterback, you 322 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: gotta win a playoff game. With Kyle Shanahan, that's fair 323 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: to say. I'm not saying you have to win two, 324 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: because you may get You may get the Eagles in 325 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: round two, you may get the Rams in round two. 326 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have to win two playoff games. 327 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: But at fifty three large, you gotta be a playoff 328 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: quarterback and you gotta win one playoff game. 329 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 5: An So, okay, what does that mean for Justin Herbert? 330 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 5: What does that mean for Tua? What does that mean 331 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: for Trevor Lawrence? Joe Burrow hadn't even been to the 332 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 5: playoffs the last I believe the last two seasons, like 333 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 5: I mean, Dak Prescott, well like it, just we hold 334 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 5: Purty to a different standard and That's why I told him. 335 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: I was like, Purdy's got to win the Super Bowl. 336 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 6: That's the only thing. 337 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 5: That's gonna get people off his back. Lamar Jackson could 338 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 5: choke every year in the playoffs and it's like, ah, 339 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 5: Lamar lost, but he's a true time MVP. Like, Okay, well, 340 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 5: are you gonna say the same stuff about rock Perty 341 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: if they don't win the Super Bowl? So I just 342 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 5: feel like it's unfair and I will defend. 343 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 6: The little guy. I am a man of the people. 344 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 6: I will back underdog rock Perty last pick. 345 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: And though oh right, that's fun. 346 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 5: Okay, you don't feel the same way, all right, Hey, 347 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 5: how about this one. NFL news Philip Rivers announced yesterday 348 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 5: he's retiring from the NFL as a Charger. Now, he 349 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 5: hasn't played football since twenty twenty, but he went on 350 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 5: social media and made the announcement. 351 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 6: You can listen. I'm Philip Rivers quarterback and I'm retiring charger. 352 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: But what I miss and what I'm most appreciative and 353 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: thankful for are those relationships they fired and. 354 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: Do the things that were behind the scenes that just. 355 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 6: Never got old. 356 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: You know that never got old, Dank, I expect to 357 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: get thankful for the most sixteen years and for and 358 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: trusting me to be the quarterback. 359 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: And State never took it for granted. Oh keep fighting, 360 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Just keep fighting. 361 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: I never took it for granted, and didn't suit up 362 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: and leave the Chargers for shoot two hundred and forty 363 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: something games in a row. 364 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: And that was emotional. Good career, very good. 365 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 6: I got to ask the Hall of Famer or. 366 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: No, probably not, you know it does. This is not baseball, 367 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: where it's just you know, six most passing yards and to. 368 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 6: The history of football. 369 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: You got to do well in January. Dak Prescott and 370 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers have had nice careers. You got to do 371 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: well in January. Eli Manning, mostly a five hundred quarterback, 372 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: had two great playoff runs and beat Brady twice. He's 373 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. It does matter. Baseball, it doesn't. 374 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you Mike Trout's gonna be in 375 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I don't think you'd ever want 376 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: a playoff game, ever, doesn't matter. Football is different. January matters. 377 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Basketball doesn't matter. Carmelo Anthony didn't do anything in the playoffs. 378 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: He's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. 379 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Football January and February matter. 380 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 6: Wow. 381 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: So Rivers was never all pro, meaning he was never 382 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: like one or two in the league as quarterback. Well, 383 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 5: but he put up a lot of stats, right, he 384 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 5: was always durable. 385 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 6: What do you like to say? 386 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 5: The best ability is availability? I mean two hundred and 387 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 5: forty consecutive starts to finish his. 388 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 6: Career, that's historic stuff. 389 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: Four straight division titles in the AFC West, Like, I mean, 390 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 5: I'm not sitting there pounding the table for Rivers to 391 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 5: be a Hall of Famer, but consistency quality top ten 392 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 5: in a bunch of stats. 393 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 6: I don't see why he wouldn't be Hall of Fame. 394 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna get votes. 395 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, if you wanted to just be you 396 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 5: gotta win super Bowls, then fine, just say the Hall 397 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 5: of Fame for quarterbacks who wins Super Bowl? 398 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Well, no, Eli didn't just win super Bowls. He beat 399 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: Tom Brady twice as an underdog, So that's different. Again, 400 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: who you beat matters. If you beat the goat twice 401 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: as an underdog and beat the best coach, that's different. 402 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: It's not like Eli won a single Super Bowl and 403 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: beat Stan Humphries. You know that's not what it is 404 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: that's not you know, as. 405 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 5: A Charger team, Russell Wilson into the Hall of Fame 406 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 5: or Philip Rivers both won or neither. 407 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know something that helps Philip Rivers. He played 408 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: one year out of San Diego in Indy. He was 409 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: really good. And somebody if you if you get down 410 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: to inches not feet with Philip Rivers, you're gonna say, 411 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, look at all the stats and and then 412 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: then go look at the one year he left. Oh 413 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: he was good there too. That's what hurts Russell Wilson. 414 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: For Seattle. It was about eight really good years and 415 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: in Seattle wasn't great, Denver bad, and then just puttering out. 416 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Like so when you get like Eli Manning had a 417 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: couple of bad seasons, but it was like he was 418 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: good by year four. He was good for a long time. 419 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: He beat Brady twice. He was unbelievable in January and February. 420 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I again, it's with certain guys. It's really 421 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: easy with Eli and Philip Rivers, and Matt Ryan's gonna 422 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: get some boats. 423 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 5: I was gonna say, Matt Ryan, do you think he 424 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 5: would get into the Hall of Fame? 425 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: Oh, Rivers, I think well. 426 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 6: I'm sorry I missed that. Yes or no. 427 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: No, I don't think Matt, No, I don't think it's 428 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: it's like Manhattan get really really good, Philip Rivers, really 429 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: really good, like Hall of Fame's Cam Newton. Oh god, no, 430 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: you never had back to back winning seasons. 431 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 6: Thank you. 432 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify that's not a shot. 433 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 6: No, not at all. I'm with you. 434 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I would say, of the people you mentioned, Philip Rivers, 435 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, I would say Phillip's the closest. 436 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: He'll get votes. He just got such profound production. Yeah, okay, 437 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: get votes. 438 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 5: Final story Colin. The biggest NBA soap opera right now 439 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: is Jason McIntire's take on Bradley Beal and the Clippers. 440 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, it has come out now 441 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 5: that Bradley Beal was interested in the Lakers, did talk 442 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 5: to them, but the Lakers did not want to make 443 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: him a starter. The Clippers said you can start for 444 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 5: Norman Powell, and he choose the Clippers. 445 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 6: I think that's kind of a lame. 446 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 5: I would have harsher words off off air for Bradlebough. 447 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 6: Hey man, I got to start. Oh you're not going 448 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 6: to me, fine, I'm going elsewhere. That's week hell. 449 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: He's been a high end starter for most of his career. 450 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 6: He cares who starts Colin, it's about and finishes. 451 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: You want to be able to go NFL. I don't 452 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: start in the NBA. You generally don't finish well. 453 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. 454 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: You got to show me. 455 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 6: Are you good? Can you finish? Can you score? 456 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 5: Bradley Beal is a really good score? So who you 457 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 5: like here? Lakers or Clippers? I don't see Marcus Martin graphic. 458 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: I guess they're going with Ruey, but well. 459 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: I know, I know Austin Reeves, Luca Ruey eight and 460 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: and Lebron are going to play sixty plus games. The 461 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: Clippers issue is, I don't know how many games Kawhi 462 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: is gonna play or Beal's gonna play. So I would 463 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: take the Lakers over the Clippers just in terms of 464 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: I know what I get with the Lakers, better coaches Clippers, but. 465 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 6: Bench I lose better than Reddick, Yes. 466 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: Yes, and also you get a better center, better big 467 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: with the Clippers, better coach, better bench with the Clippers. 468 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: But I just don't know what I get with Kawhi. 469 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: I like their team. But Subot's a really really good big. 470 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: He's good. He's a really good player, probably the most 471 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: underrated big in the league. He's a good, really good big. 472 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 6: Lakers did have him at one point. I don't know. Listen, 473 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: Clippers are good. I'm not gonna lie. I think right 474 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 6: now they're better than the Lakers. More depth, we'll see, 475 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 6: you know, Luca. 476 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Bench better, coach, better, better, big better. Question who's got. 477 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: Better stars Lakers? 478 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right by the way, Lucas getting skiddier. 479 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 6: Other footage merge or pictures and Lucas look at skinny Man. 480 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 5: I'm just telling you he's gonna take over this league. 481 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 5: I cannot wait for revenge Luca next year. 482 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: Reportedly, Luca has worked out this offseason, which is you know, 483 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be. 484 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 6: Blown away tail the beverages. 485 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, he's a you know, I think 486 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: I've been absolutely spot on day one in the league. 487 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: He's a better Carmelo. He's a great first ballot Hall 488 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: of Fame, top ten all time score, not committed to 489 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: be His conditioning fluctuates. I'll be kind the conditioning fluctuate, 490 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: A greedy, fun to watch though, first ballot Hall of 491 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: Famers fun to watch profound offensive players. I don't think 492 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: that's a knock. Not everybody's great, not everybody is everything. 493 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: Gonna go ahead and stand out on this one while 494 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 5: you just. 495 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Go off on Luca. Okay, uh jmckle the news. 496 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The 497 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of 498 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nin am Pacific on 499 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 500 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: Surprising reaction story this week. So the WNBA players came 501 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: out and they wore these T shirts the other day, 502 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: which is you know, a paysu os, which yeah, I 503 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done. I think you should try to keep 504 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: your contract situation out of the papers and off television. 505 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: Kind of do it privately. That's the way I would 506 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: recommend it for anybody. Pay us what you owe us 507 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: and listen. I get the frustration because they make nine 508 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: percent of revenues and NBA players make fifty. But the 509 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: NBA has been around a long time. This is a 510 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: twenty five year old league that's never made need a profit. 511 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: So but I so I understand people who roll their 512 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: eyes at this. I get it, and I probably wouldn't 513 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: have done it, but it is interesting to me that 514 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: people are like, no way can you give them a raise? 515 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: And they're out of their mind. We were talking about this. 516 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: If let's say you had a company, you own a company, 517 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: and it was it was a podcast company, and you 518 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: had a bunch of podcasts, and you had one that 519 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: you'd spent a lot of money on for years and 520 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: years and it never really made a lot of money. 521 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, that podcast added somebody and suddenly 522 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: it was red hot, and merchandise for the podcast won 523 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: up five hundred percent, and the ratings doubled, and all 524 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was six months to go in 525 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: the contracts, time to negotiate a new contract. Are you 526 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: really letting it go? Are you going to hold those 527 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: previous years against them, or are you going to deal 528 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: with the reality that it's a different podcast now. The 529 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: WNBA is a different league now, yes, because of the 530 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: person over my shoulder on TV, Caitlin Clark. Just like 531 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: the golf tour was a different tour when Tiger Woods arrived. 532 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being a network NBC and saying, well, 533 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: We're not going to pay that just because Tiger Woods 534 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: is great. And my argument would be, well, Tiger Woods 535 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: is just going into his prime for the next ten 536 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: to twelve years. He's going to move ratings. You're not 537 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: paying for our roster, you're not paying for depth. You're 538 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: paying for majors and what Tiger Woods does to the 539 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: ratings and the majors. So it doesn't matter that they 540 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: don't have thirty players that move the needle, and they 541 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: may only have one or two, and let's just say 542 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: it's one, but that one player is going to be 543 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: on TV. Remember when a network buys a contract for 544 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: a league they don't have. Fox has no resip reponsibility 545 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: to air the bottom twelve teams in baseball. We don't 546 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: have to air pirate games in Royal games and Red 547 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: Games and A's games. A lot of Yankees, a lot 548 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: of Mets, a lot of Braves, a lot of Dodgers. 549 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: Braves bad this year. A lot of Cubs. Throw the 550 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: Tigers in there. St. Louis Cardinals used to be on 551 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: TV all the time. They're not anymore. They're not interesting, 552 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: they're not as viable. There's no responsibility for Amazon Thursday 553 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: Night football. The NFL doesn't put everybody on as much 554 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: as the Bills, the Ravens, the Eagles, I mean the league. 555 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Forget the network. The league puts a significant small number 556 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: of teams, six to seven teams. They put their games 557 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: on TV a lot. The Niners make TV a lot, 558 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: so to the Ravens, and you know, you know the teams, 559 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: the Packers, the Lions, the Cowboys. So even leagues acknowledge 560 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: we're not putting everybody on TV a bunch. The Carolina 561 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: is not making a lot of money net football games. 562 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: The league's choosing not to put them on, not ESPN. 563 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: So my tick is the argument, well, only Caitlin Clark 564 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: is the reason the league is exploded again. If you 565 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: had a podcast that lost money for twenty years and 566 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, you go into a 567 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: contract negotiation, they added somebody to the podcast and now 568 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: it's on fire. I'm giving that podcast a new life 569 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: and a new contract. I'm not bailing on it now. 570 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: I've been losing money for years. Why would I bail 571 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: on it now now? I don't think they deserve fifty 572 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: percent of revenues. Because NBA players are bigger stars, they 573 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: draw more fans. There's just more NBA players that get 574 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: people doing arena and they deserve a higher percentage of revenues. 575 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Fifty percent, I think is what they make. So I mean, 576 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: even in the NFL, there'll be no Cleveland Brown primetime 577 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: games this season, No Titan games are in primetime. And 578 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm told those Saints games, that's the league. When they 579 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: hand out Thursday Monday games. Now they're putting those guys 580 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: in the one o'clock window. That's a league, a network networks. 581 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, we're not putting A's games on Fox. We're 582 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: not doing that. So I don't know. It seems to me, 583 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: and I'm not a businessman that it's all about to now, 584 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to punish a league because they didn't 585 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: move the needle. If negotiations are up and they've got 586 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: a new entity, a new star, a new human being, 587 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: a new product that is moving the needle, okay, you 588 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: guys got now. It'd be one thing if Caitland joined 589 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the league and the CBA wasn't up for another five years, 590 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: then the nba'd be like, hey man, look at this. 591 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: Look at our revenues. They're exploding, and our merchandise is exploding. 592 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: The nba'd be like, we don't have to pay them. 593 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: It just so happens. Her second year in the league, 594 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: the CBA is up and the WNBA got very lucky. 595 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: They could have signed a new CBA the day before 596 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: she arrived in the league and they didn't. So the 597 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: first year she explodes. Second year, she's hurt, but she's 598 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: clearly changing the numbers and the league's got real momentum. 599 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to punish an investment for lou 600 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: money for years. And by the way, not just because 601 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: you don't make a huge profit. I use this example 602 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: yesterday when the Athletic the subscription service when the New 603 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: York Times bought it, it was losing forty five million 604 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: a year. But the New York Times bought it knowing 605 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: they would increase their subs and subscriptions, and that was 606 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: in the bigger picture. They made enough money they could 607 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: absorb what the Athletic lost. So the NBA just signed 608 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: a seventy six billion dollar contract. They can absorb a 609 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: loss if the WNBA did not make big money. But 610 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: my guess is it's going to start making some money. 611 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean that the TV package, it's going to start 612 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: making some money. So I just I just think when 613 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: you get into negotiations, timing is so it's such a 614 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: big deal if you you know it's it's a union. 615 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Let's say you're a part of a union that makes 616 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: cars or automobiles. You're going to have a lot more leverage. 617 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: If the last two automobiles that were created, you know, 618 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: were hits, You're gonna have a more leverage that if 619 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: you're putting together duds on the on the on the line, 620 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: Like it's just about timing. When is your contract up? 621 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: How's the company doing? And the WNBA is doing much 622 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: better than it's ever done so and I I mean 623 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Saturday's WNBA All Star Game was down thirty six percent 624 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: from last year because there was no Caitlin. So we're 625 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: not disputing that Caitlin is driving a lot of that business. 626 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: But she's not retiring anytime soon. You got ten years 627 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: of this. She's gonna play in ten All Star games, 628 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: She'll be in some three point shooting contests, she's gonna 629 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: be on t I guarantee you they play what is 630 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: their schedule thirty eight games a year, thirty six games 631 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: a year. Thirty of her games will be on TV. 632 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna put thirty of her game Whoever, whoever is 633 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: doing the scheduling, whatever network, ESPN, ABC, they're gonna put 634 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: thirty of her games on TV. Connecticut Sung, we'll get back, 635 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: We'll get back. Indiana Fever, your games are on TV. 636 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: So and she, just like Tiger did with golf, she 637 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: has raised the overall popularity of the sport. So, I 638 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: mean it's not the Indiana Fever games are up, yes, 639 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: but the whole league is benefiting from her. All of 640 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: golf benefited from Tiger in his prime. People just more 641 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: three million people. I mean, people were signing up to golf, 642 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: more golf equipment sold when Tiger was in his prime. 643 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: You know you Nike got into golf big. I mean 644 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: like people that didn't do golf or golf got into it. So, 645 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the players have some leverage here, 646 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: not NBA leverage, not NFL leverage, not not baseball sports 647 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: are cyclical to baseball. 648 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 6: Now. 649 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: NBA is doing great, NFL is doing great. College football, 650 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: you know baseball, ESPN in baseball or are they talking 651 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: now that thing got a little ugly than the last 652 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: year