Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey friends, what's up. It's me Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: And I am Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official
Speaker 2: challenge podcast, Baby What an episode?
Speaker 3: M What an episode?
Speaker 4: Devin?
Speaker 3: What was your highlights? Highlights? Highlights?
Speaker 1: The daily looked fun? Can I just say it looked okay,
Speaker 1: okay fun. It looked easy until some people got up
Speaker 1: there and then it didn't look so. And then now
Speaker 1: I don't know where I fit in, Like you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know. You want to say, oh, I'd
Speaker 1: be able to crush that, but then you're like, but
Speaker 1: but real talk would I though?
Speaker 3: Because I though the people that.
Speaker 1: Didn't, I don't know what about you day.
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent think I would have gotten decued,
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I hate heights, so one hundred percent I would have
Speaker 2: gotten into my head and I'd have been like, oh no,
Speaker 2: this is out.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, y'all, y'all take care of somebody
Speaker 3: went like.
Speaker 1: I feel like they were leaning back is why they
Speaker 1: were falling off the rock, Like I feel like you
Speaker 1: have to hug the thing. But again, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And with my implants for all I know,
Speaker 1: I could try and hug it all day long and
Speaker 1: it not works, So I don't you know, who knows,
Speaker 1: but it was very compelling to watch. We also had
Speaker 1: the closest time ever in Challenge history between the women
Speaker 1: between Tory and Jenny. It was what six hundredths of
Speaker 1: a second or something? Crazy is the time difference? That's wild,
Speaker 1: That is wild. Jenny takes it home over Tori, so
Speaker 1: we have Genny and Kylin as the winners, the losers
Speaker 1: being THEO and Naya. THEO cracked me up. THEO was
Speaker 1: just cracking me up to way over it. He was
Speaker 1: just so hilarious, like how do you even slow mo
Speaker 1: to the finish? Like when he even ended, he barely
Speaker 1: hit the foam things even on that, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you even mess up the end?
Speaker 3: Just so like he knew it was a rap, so
Speaker 3: he like, if I'm gonna go out, let me just go.
Speaker 1: Out doing something. I guess. So he was just so
Speaker 1: funny to me. And then we have Kylon and Ginny
Speaker 1: in the chamber. They ultimately decide to throw Michelle in,
Speaker 1: but ultimately Michelle takes out the win and then the
Speaker 1: new target selections are bananas. Neamayah and surprisingly Jordan Day.
Speaker 1: What is your take on all of this?
Speaker 2: I was very surprised by the Jordan selection. Bananas was
Speaker 2: a no brainer because Neamayah was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Neiamyah was kind of like I felt like a throw yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I definitely definitely was caught off guard by
Speaker 2: the Jordan situation.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 1: I was too, But then I started to look at
Speaker 1: it as like as the house gets smaller, the numbers
Speaker 1: get a little smaller, it does become kind of a
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, look, if they were in power
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't save me, then I've got consider getting
Speaker 1: rid of them, you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 1: can I can see how that like, even if it
Speaker 1: means like I'm not directly against you, but I just
Speaker 1: know that I'm not in your time to be saved,
Speaker 1: so then I'm gonna have to like go after you.
Speaker 1: That sort of makes sense on my end.
Speaker 3: I got that.
Speaker 2: But let's get it to the goodies, because we know
Speaker 2: we want to know about the gold Star and the timeout,
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna go first because I get in
Speaker 2: trouble every time I go, So I'm gonna let you
Speaker 2: go first.
Speaker 1: You didn't get in trouble last week. I was proud
Speaker 1: of you. You did not get in trouble on my
Speaker 1: time Out of the week. There are a couple contenders,
Speaker 1: one being THEO because THEO what were you doing? I
Speaker 1: don't what, I don't what exactly, like he didn't even
Speaker 1: use okay anyway. And another Timeout nominee has to be Bananas.
Speaker 1: I get that he was being petty, but he was
Speaker 1: kind of being childish with it, like I don't what's
Speaker 1: the strategy game plan there? I don't really know. And
Speaker 1: then the last time out nomination of the week, I'd
Speaker 1: say it has to probably go towards Jordan only because
Speaker 1: when watching that exchange between Jordan and Nya, look, I
Speaker 1: understood Nya's point and kind of shocked. I understood Jordan's
Speaker 1: perspective and just how he plays the game, but the
Speaker 1: minute they sat down expected there to be honesty, just
Speaker 1: because I feel like Jordan's one of those people that
Speaker 1: I take what he says to the bank, right, Like
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Jordan generally is like a yes no
Speaker 1: kind of guy, but he wasn't a yes no kind
Speaker 1: of guy in this conversation with Naya, which like didn't
Speaker 1: love right, like didn't feel so straightforward. But ultimately my
Speaker 1: winner for the time Out is definitely going to go
Speaker 1: to THEO because my dog, what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: It was funny, but what are you doing? And then
Speaker 1: my gold Star nominations, So gold Star nomination's Ginny she
Speaker 1: Ace that just absolutely asd it. I also like the
Speaker 1: way she stuck up for herself in deliberation, uh quite frankly,
Speaker 1: where she's like, look, nobody cared about me, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say what I have to say, like mad respect.
Speaker 1: My other nomination for gold Star goes to Aviv because
Speaker 1: she also ated it, like and you know, being that
Speaker 1: she is vertically challenged in certain ways, I imagine certain
Speaker 1: parts were even harder her and she really just crusted
Speaker 1: to her vertically hung and the myther nomination goes to Michelle.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have to say the gold Star actually
Speaker 1: goes Michelle because her comeback, remember last week, right she
Speaker 1: got She's ready to go home. She's like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know why I'm here. She's just doubting herself and
Speaker 1: all the way till now and the end of this elimination,
Speaker 1: I also thought It was hilarious when she realized that
Speaker 1: she needed to like pick up the speed and elimination
Speaker 1: and she goes iw like, yes, girl, all those vibes,
Speaker 1: all those vibes, we have to run ew all of it.
Speaker 1: So Michelle gets my gold star for the week What
Speaker 1: about you day?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna start with my gold stars nominees.
Speaker 2: Oky nominis of Eve, same reason you said, like Powerhouse,
Speaker 2: the way she blew through that thing, and I'm so
Speaker 2: that challenge and I'm so proud of her because I
Speaker 2: thought of Eve was gonna be going a while ago,
Speaker 2: and she's flying under the radar, but she's still performing,
Speaker 2: Like I don't think that I've seen one yet where
Speaker 2: it was like Eve, what.
Speaker 4: Are you doing?
Speaker 2: She's performing? You know, she might not come in first,
Speaker 2: but she's performing. And so I'm really.
Speaker 3: Proud of Aviv.
Speaker 2: Another star and it's for the same reason that you
Speaker 2: gave this person a time out.
Speaker 3: I'm speaking from the perspective of a viewer. Okay, as
Speaker 3: a viewer, Johnny is.
Speaker 2: Giving me everything I need as a viewer, He's giving
Speaker 2: me every Now if I was in the house as
Speaker 2: one of the challengers, I'd be all the way upset,
Speaker 2: like what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Sit down somewhere.
Speaker 4: But as a.
Speaker 2: Viewer, he's giving me everything that I need, Like he
Speaker 2: lived in this one episode. It was Johnny Kylan, Johnny Michelle,
Speaker 2: Johnny Olivia, Johnny, it was the world, Like it was
Speaker 2: so good to watch as a viewer. So as a viewer,
Speaker 2: he did that. Another person I'm gonna give a gold
Speaker 2: star to. And it's only because I forgot this person
Speaker 2: was even on the show.
Speaker 1: Given gold stars just for existing.
Speaker 4: Forgot that they were on the show.
Speaker 3: And here's here's why.
Speaker 2: Because in the beginning, they were a problem. In the beginning,
Speaker 2: they were a target. In the beginning, they were like
Speaker 2: you know, no.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: I just want to say, Cory right, Corey, Yeah, he
Speaker 5: has done so well at changing the entire getting all
Speaker 5: the targets off of him and just playing the game.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that that means he's gonna like kill it
Speaker 1: at the end. I'm hopeful. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but of the three, I think ultimately I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give my goal start to Johnny. I know he's given
Speaker 2: me everything I need as a viewer now for my
Speaker 2: time out. The same reason you gave this person a
Speaker 2: gold star is the reason I'm going to give them
Speaker 2: a timeout, Jenny. And it is because in that deliberation,
Speaker 2: and I might be wrong, but I.
Speaker 3: Viewed that as baby, that ain't about you right now.
Speaker 1: When Michelle said that to you, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's about her because she won.
Speaker 2: No, but you don't have a You're not doing anything
Speaker 2: that's fair, that's fair. This is all up to Kylin.
Speaker 2: So you just want to take the Florida. Let us
Speaker 2: know that you're in your feelings.
Speaker 3: And that's fine, but this is not about you right now,
Speaker 3: like it just.
Speaker 2: It caught me so off guard, but I'm gonna even. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got the time out for her, and I have
Speaker 2: to sign out. I got to time out, but THEO
Speaker 2: and Naya together as a unit, because I expected my
Speaker 2: people to do much better in that. And when I
Speaker 2: say my people, I mean the Long Leg Crew. I
Speaker 2: expected them legs to come to youth.
Speaker 3: I expected that and they let me down.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, I'm gonna give my time out to the
Speaker 2: Long Leg Crew because what was going Oh I.
Speaker 1: Was still not even using They had a sack to
Speaker 1: put the coins in, and he didn't even use Like,
Speaker 1: what what are you doing sir? What is it. Is
Speaker 1: it that it's so high up there the air is
Speaker 1: thin and then he wasn't thinking it through. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I was doing, but it was a mess.
Speaker 4: It was a mess.
Speaker 1: It was but hilarious and entertaining, which is why we
Speaker 1: love the show oh so much and why we love
Speaker 1: the podcast oh so much is because we get to
Speaker 1: ask them about their hilariousness, which is exactly what we're
Speaker 1: going to do on today's episode with the lovely Niamore.
Speaker 1: So make sure you guys don't go anywhere, because we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about love life. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about some beefses that are happening on the socials and
Speaker 1: the media's and uh out in the real world. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about lessons learned strategy, and we're going
Speaker 1: to quiz her on pim dots. It's going to be
Speaker 1: so much fun. So make sure you grab a snack,
Speaker 1: do some stretching, but don't go anywhere because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna want to miss Niamore.
Speaker 2: Right after this, friends, family, and cousins, I am super
Speaker 2: excited because we are back with another episode and on
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 3: Right here, this one, right here, we.
Speaker 2: Have our sister Okay, not so many people can have
Speaker 2: that title, but this is our sister who please clap
Speaker 2: it up for our girl, Miss Naya.
Speaker 4: More, such a pleasure to be by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 4: And by the way, let me say, let me set
Speaker 4: the record straight and let y'all know that I am
Speaker 4: the original Lady of Leisures. Like I came up with that.
Speaker 4: I introduced the other girlies into it. I recruited them.
Speaker 4: Just let everybody know. Yeah, I am the queen Lady
Speaker 4: of Leisure.
Speaker 3: How did that come about? Because y'all, y'all are really cute.
Speaker 3: I love it the loyl girls, I love it. So
Speaker 3: how did that come about?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's honestly a title I gave myself like
Speaker 4: a while ago because I've always been type of girl
Speaker 4: who's like never been one to like be gun ho
Speaker 4: about work. I'm like, I love being in my soft
Speaker 4: girl era. I love being taken care of. I love
Speaker 4: living a so off life. And so although I have
Speaker 4: found a job that I've been passionate about as a
Speaker 4: private jet flight attendant for like the last seven eight years, Okay,
Speaker 4: so really much else besides housewife that I would check off?
Speaker 1: Like, can we just talk about that for a minute.
Speaker 1: If you don't follow NYE on social media, you need to.
Speaker 1: If you do, then you already know between the lavish meals,
Speaker 1: the around the world, the twerking, in between plating the food,
Speaker 1: it's just the skin skinning. It's giving all the things,
Speaker 1: all the things. SIS like, you look like you're living
Speaker 1: your best life.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm trying to, and there's more to come. I'm
Speaker 4: like really leaning into this content thing. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: people like it great, So I've got a lot of
Speaker 4: exciting stuff that I'm gonna roll out soon.
Speaker 1: Does that exciting stuff include a roster? Because I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, knowing you a little bit, seeing glimpses into
Speaker 1: your life. You know you're educated. We'll talk about your
Speaker 1: maskuls in a minute. Though you're educated, you're beautiful, you're funny,
Speaker 1: well traveled, you can cook, and you're working in the
Speaker 1: private jet industry. There's gotta be a roster of like
Speaker 1: billionaire men. And I understand what I'm asking. I get
Speaker 1: some people are gonna be like, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: gotta like, girl, they got to be knocking on your doors,
Speaker 1: they gotta be Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, there's definitely been a rotation of men that have
Speaker 4: you know, possible or potential suitors that have come and gone.
Speaker 4: I've had boyfriends, you know, over the years, a handful
Speaker 4: of them. Not just billionaires and like you know, really
Speaker 4: rich people, because that's typically who we fly, but just
Speaker 4: even like you know, I would say above slightly above
Speaker 4: average earners.
Speaker 3: I'm on now, I'm on now.
Speaker 4: But like I have a great time with my life
Speaker 4: because of the fact that I'm traveling all over the world,
Speaker 4: Like I am not limited to dating in the death
Speaker 4: pool that is LA. It's like I can kind of
Speaker 4: just you know, check in on the dating apps everywhere
Speaker 4: I go.
Speaker 1: How far broken hearts? Okay, yeah, well you.
Speaker 4: Know what my mantra is. I say, I leave people
Speaker 4: in places better than I've found them because my intentions
Speaker 4: are pure. So like I go into it very transparent,
Speaker 4: very honest, saying, hey, like, yes, would I love to
Speaker 4: find my person? Would I love to like go to
Speaker 4: life with someone and go with someone? Absolutely, And that's
Speaker 4: what I'm in the pursuit of. But if I don't
Speaker 4: find that, I will still enjoy my life and have
Speaker 4: a good time with whoever I'm with, whether it's by
Speaker 4: myself or with someone else that i've like, cannot be
Speaker 4: turn into like my boyfriend for the week.
Speaker 1: Please make this a series, make it a book, like
Speaker 1: thank you, because I am can I come to the
Speaker 1: like pre screen, I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 3: I'm already in before we get to the book and
Speaker 3: the series.
Speaker 2: Okay, because we want to get her a series before
Speaker 2: I get into all of the things.
Speaker 3: Okay, we know that this man is my baby. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to defend him against the world. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stay ten toes down.
Speaker 4: Oh my baby.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I have to know how did Josh get
Speaker 3: in your rolodex? Like what did that happen?
Speaker 4: Okay, let me take me and Josh. It was so
Speaker 4: super cute, so long, pray short. You know, everybody was
Speaker 4: kind of just like trying to play too cool for school.
Speaker 4: Josh sprang up on me like I was Rihanna, and
Speaker 4: he basically gained my flowers. And He's like, nayah, I've
Speaker 4: been wanting to meet you for since forever, like I
Speaker 4: just adore you da da da da da, and like
Speaker 4: I we I want to know if you're feeling me.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have to guess or figure it
Speaker 4: out and so like, to me, that was very attractive
Speaker 4: was the fact that he was like, I don't care,
Speaker 4: like I'm a fan of this girl and I want
Speaker 4: her to know it immediately. And then he and I
Speaker 4: just naturally, like not even in a sexual or like
Speaker 4: romantic way, we just got each other and like we
Speaker 4: could finish each other's sentences. We just laughed. I felt
Speaker 4: like his energy felt safe next to mine, mine felt
Speaker 4: safe next to his, and we just bonded it in
Speaker 4: that way. But of course I'm a horny LESSI auntie,
Speaker 4: so I want to see you. What's the givens?
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just let me see, you know,
Speaker 1: let me try it out.
Speaker 4: A little bit. But so me and me and Josh
Speaker 4: initially were like making out, just having fun, like just
Speaker 4: very light, like there wasn't anything more than that. And
Speaker 4: then at one point, oh, my vibrator died, and so
Speaker 4: I was, you know what, really kind of scratched the ish,
Speaker 4: and he hadn't really busted a move like that yet,
Speaker 4: so I was kind of get a little frustrated. And
Speaker 4: then I said, well, you got a five minutes to decide, buddy,
Speaker 4: because I got another guy who's sitting on the corner
Speaker 4: of his bed, that waiting waiting for me at the door.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell him that, though, did you you just
Speaker 1: not that or did you tell him that?
Speaker 4: I didn't tell him that, but I was definitely give
Speaker 4: the energy like get right, a get left, because.
Speaker 3: Oh my baby.
Speaker 4: But also, I will say this, the way things happened
Speaker 4: would have naturally happened anyway. I think our friendship is
Speaker 4: so deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I mean I said, I mean Josh
Speaker 1: trying over you breaking his heart? Is that what you mean?
Speaker 4: I know. I felt so bad about that because here's
Speaker 4: the thing. One thing I would never do, especially for
Speaker 4: like television value or whatever, is intentionally hurt somebody. I
Speaker 4: don't need to do that. Yeah, And so I knew
Speaker 4: he cared about me. But also I felt like he
Speaker 4: took a step back. And one thing I'm a master
Speaker 4: of is reading the room, and so I'm not going
Speaker 4: to beg a man to wit like it was clear
Speaker 4: to me that he wasn't interested in me in that way,
Speaker 4: and I had options, so I felt like it was
Speaker 4: my natural right to be able to explore that. However,
Speaker 4: things happened so fast, guys that in the same like
Speaker 4: day that I felt like he was pulling back. Hyland
Speaker 4: was also up for elimination, So I'm like, well, I
Speaker 4: got a test drive that before he leaves. We were
Speaker 4: trying to sit him home.
Speaker 3: Before he leaves.
Speaker 1: Test driving room room. Okay, I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that. So where where do
Speaker 3: you and Josh stand? Right now?
Speaker 4: We are We are like brother and sister, We are buddies.
Speaker 4: I love Josh. I mean, y'all know, I'm like his
Speaker 4: fearless defender online, Like you cannot say anything bad about
Speaker 4: that man in front of me. I love him to death.
Speaker 4: And I know he gets a lot of flak from
Speaker 4: you know, the fans and online and whatnot, just about
Speaker 4: him wearing his heart on his sleeve and being an
Speaker 4: emotional player. But like, to me, that's is the sexiest, dopest,
Speaker 4: most masculine part about him is that he's not afraid
Speaker 4: to wear his emotions on his sleeve. He's not afraid
Speaker 4: to cry, he's not afraid to say, you know, how
Speaker 4: he feels about certain things, whereas other times, you know,
Speaker 4: most men are just fought to masth that. So like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm like forever gonna be in his corner and
Speaker 4: he knows that. I mean, I wait, I stayed everywhere
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 1: Wait, but are you flexible enough to defend his strategy,
Speaker 1: because like.
Speaker 3: I need you to leave my friend alone. Okay, though
Speaker 3: they lie, strategy was not given.
Speaker 4: He's embarrassing me every episode, but.
Speaker 3: But we gonna hold it.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 1: He makes me harder and harder for you and David
Speaker 1: fandom And look, I love Josh, don't even give you said,
Speaker 1: but Josh just be all over the place.
Speaker 4: Literally, yeah, even like the last episode where he lit
Speaker 4: bananas with without much effort, just completely finess him mentally
Speaker 4: with that old dusty like you owe me card, and
Speaker 4: like the fact he just fell out in tears, just
Speaker 4: like you know what You're right, buddy, I do. I'm
Speaker 4: like nobody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, literally, it's it's all. It's so safe to say.
Speaker 1: So you and Josh are like friends. Now, I was
Speaker 1: safe to say you and Kyland are no longer together
Speaker 1: and you got a roster Roland and Dolan.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, I mean I am. But here's
Speaker 4: the thing. It's like, I it's not necessarily a roster
Speaker 4: is just more so I am open to the possibility
Speaker 4: of like finding love and I'm having fun with it,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh.
Speaker 1: I don't say roster as a Pejordan by the way, either,
Speaker 1: because I think you should exactly the way things happened
Speaker 1: with Josh and Colin at the time, which is like
Speaker 1: there's not a ring on your finger, you're not in
Speaker 1: an exclusive relationship. So ye, having multiples is great until
Speaker 1: you find that one where you only want to spend
Speaker 1: time with him and nobody else.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well unless you're in the Challenge house though,
Speaker 4: d because one thing I'm not doing again, well, let
Speaker 4: me not even say that live. Let me say one
Speaker 4: thing I'm gonna try not to do it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: is be booed up as hard as I was this season,
Speaker 4: Like you would have thought I was on Love Islands.
Speaker 4: I was doing no challenge work an hourrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like locked in fast. It felt like
Speaker 1: like just real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it's like you know what that
Speaker 4: environment is like, so it's automatically even though we're living
Speaker 4: in a mansion and you know you're there to do
Speaker 4: cool shit. It's also no phone, no escape, so if
Speaker 4: you do find a connection, it is on steroids.
Speaker 1: It's camp syndrome. We've talked about your you don't even
Speaker 1: need to go back to battle the season. It's camp syndrome.
Speaker 4: But I but the silly part is it's like I'm
Speaker 4: old enough to know that, Like at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, I was there for a bag of money.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you're gonna be here, compete, Like, don't
Speaker 4: take up space. Like it's cute, Like I get it,
Speaker 4: Like you know, you were like having fun and whatever
Speaker 4: and like having like a little hookup and a little
Speaker 4: love affair or whatever, but this is also an honor
Speaker 4: to play this game, and it's like, if you're gonna
Speaker 4: be here, like that should always remain the priority. And
Speaker 4: like I kind of was just there for the vibes
Speaker 4: even to begin with, and then I was like halfway through,
Speaker 4: I'm like, the next time you do this, girl, like
Speaker 4: you need Like I know what potential I have as
Speaker 4: an athlete, and if I even turned on like sixty
Speaker 4: percent of that, these bitches cannot touch me. And the
Speaker 4: fact that I won't or have it in the past
Speaker 4: and just been like lazy and not give it a shit,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, then don't come up here and take space,
Speaker 4: Like if you're going to come back and play this game,
Speaker 4: like you need to train in the gym, like honor
Speaker 4: the game in the way that like you would want
Speaker 4: to be. You know, if you say that you're you're
Speaker 4: proud and your honor to be a part of it,
Speaker 4: then like honor in that way in terms of your preparation.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, if I ever were to come back,
Speaker 4: I definitely like, I mean, I'm already in the gym.
Speaker 4: I have a trainer for five days a week.
Speaker 1: Yes, come on now, love this? Okay, we look forward
Speaker 1: to the night Trump. I have to ask really quick
Speaker 1: before we get more into this episode too, because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of couples in this house, a lot
Speaker 1: of interesting pairings, and some that actually have shown to
Speaker 1: have little drama up as far as we are in
Speaker 1: the season, whereas oftentimes in the beginning there's already kind
Speaker 1: of like issues. So just want to get your take
Speaker 1: on some of the lovers in the house, Like what
Speaker 1: do you think about Michelle and Devin being together? And
Speaker 1: then what do you think about Olivia and Theo. Do
Speaker 1: you think they're good matches or what's kind of your
Speaker 1: insight from being there physically with them?
Speaker 4: So I was there for the beginning of both obviously
Speaker 4: you know, we were all kind of like a little
Speaker 4: girl group, So we talked about everything that was going
Speaker 4: on in relationships from the very beginning, and I mean,
Speaker 4: there's just no scenario where I would ever think that
Speaker 4: Michelle and Dev's relationship was for clout or for TV,
Speaker 4: nor Olivia and Theo's. Like those four people in their perspective,
Speaker 4: relationships love each other to death and like it is
Speaker 4: a genuine love. So like where other people were rooting
Speaker 4: on their downfall like bananas, I knew that there was
Speaker 4: no scenario where they were going to break up because
Speaker 4: I saw how intense that bond was up close and personal.
Speaker 4: Because I also wanted them to win, Like I was
Speaker 4: rooting for Olivia and THEO when they were kind of
Speaker 4: going through it trying to figure things out, you know,
Speaker 4: after the show, and like I was rooting for Michelle
Speaker 4: and devon just genuinely. So like I'm not surprised because
Speaker 4: to me, it's like their love if you weren't a hater,
Speaker 4: a soon cold hater like him, who's never been able
Speaker 4: to like find something like that in this space. And
Speaker 4: I know he's been here for so long that he
Speaker 4: just with like to but it's just he's just not
Speaker 4: that guy. I was happy for them, Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: genuinely happy for them.
Speaker 1: And speaking of bananas of it all and the shots
Speaker 1: that you just fired at him. You know, you start
Speaker 1: this episode as a target. Were you shocked to be
Speaker 1: selected last episode? Were you shocked that he went after you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was because that morning he told me, Hey, says
Speaker 4: like you're good, and I was like, really, really, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't have expected that for him. I didn't, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, why, how am I good? And then
Speaker 4: you know, he made it clear that he was beefing
Speaker 4: with Tory, and I was also the impression that he
Speaker 4: really didn't necessarily have a care for Ma car Maria.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, wow, that works out perfectly for me.
Speaker 4: So I didn't do any politics and I didn't do
Speaker 4: any smoothing. I just kind of kicked back and like,
Speaker 4: you know, waited for the elimination. And so when he
Speaker 4: said my name, obviously I understood the situation where he
Speaker 4: initially said toy and then TJ said you can't pick her,
Speaker 4: and then he immediately said sorry, Nya, then it's got
Speaker 4: to be you. And so now watching this episode where
Speaker 4: Kylon and other people were kind of like, well, why
Speaker 4: wasn't it Kara if you said you didn't really give
Speaker 4: a shit about Cakara, Like, why couldn't you just honor
Speaker 4: what you told Nya early that morning. I mean, I
Speaker 4: really didn't like hang on to it too long. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie to you because it's bananas and he
Speaker 4: and I have no relationship, and so I'm not going
Speaker 4: to be so but hurt about him throwing me in
Speaker 4: there when he had limited options to begin with anyway.
Speaker 4: But I also was kind of side in the situations.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I didn't realize I forgot that he
Speaker 4: did throw in car Marie as a target before. But
Speaker 4: I'm like, have they settled her beef? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I stayed out of it. I mean I was in
Speaker 4: the bed of Kylon every day, so I wasn't aware
Speaker 4: of like where car Maria stood with her era at
Speaker 4: that point. But yeah, I mean it was like there
Speaker 4: was nothing he could really do. As you can see
Speaker 4: in the episode, I wasn't like tripping off of it
Speaker 4: too hard. I kind of just mad it made fun
Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, like I don't know, I think
Speaker 4: that that was just what he had to do. In
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now you are a target, right. We hate
Speaker 2: to see it, but here we are. We're at this challenge.
Speaker 2: Please explain to us your thought process going through this.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to call it, but this,
Speaker 2: this this mays of an obstacle course of a challenge.
Speaker 4: It's like they ham plucked the video game that I
Speaker 4: would never be good at anyway and put it in
Speaker 4: real life. And I'm like, what is this Sonic the
Speaker 4: Hedgehog as a park? Like, what is this? Because all
Speaker 4: I saw was climbing. I'm like, everything, every part of
Speaker 4: it was climbing, and I'm like, outside of mouth, like
Speaker 4: I know that that is literally my main weakness is
Speaker 4: upper body strength and being able to like kind of
Speaker 4: hold my own weight and pull up my own body weight,
Speaker 4: and that's something that I worked on last minute before
Speaker 4: I arrived to the challenge. So I'm like, yikes, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I already knew that there was an unlikely
Speaker 4: scenario where I would finish the whole thing, but I
Speaker 4: will say I do have a healthy level of delusion.
Speaker 4: And after Banana, I said, I can be able to
Speaker 4: get to the top. And when I get to the top,
Speaker 4: I figured to rust out. And it's hilarious because I
Speaker 4: was literally talking to the other l L It's like, okay, y'all.
Speaker 4: So once we get to the top of the ladder,
Speaker 4: as if I was even.
Speaker 1: Gonna go, I love it because they did make it
Speaker 1: look easy. To be fair, Jenny and Bananas made make
Speaker 1: it look super easy, so easy, incredibly easy, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even understand how they made it look so easy.
Speaker 1: And then you made it look hard.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like, for whatever reason, I thought
Speaker 2: that this was going to be a cakewalk for you
Speaker 2: and THEO but whatever. The legs, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they're about to it's over for everybody.
Speaker 1: They're about to eat this up.
Speaker 4: And oh boy, I didn't even realize. Jordan said, yeah,
Speaker 4: use your leg Number one way to climb a wall.
Speaker 4: It's to use your legs. Where I would naturally thaw,
Speaker 4: it's your arms. And so I know the part that
Speaker 4: you're talking about, like that once you get to the
Speaker 4: top running and jumping, I would have ate that up.
Speaker 4: But then I don't know, child being that high, I
Speaker 4: probably would have got scared.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it looks fun though, it looks very like I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: It did look fun. Oh it was badss. I mean,
Speaker 4: I wish I was able to do it.
Speaker 1: But can we just talk for a moment about THEO
Speaker 1: not even getting his landing right? Like I think? And
Speaker 1: it was interesting seeing because I feel like at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, people THEO was one of the
Speaker 1: names people were kind of worried about, and then he
Speaker 1: started to show he was gassing out a little bit
Speaker 1: in dailies and challenges, and then I think that concern
Speaker 1: or that commentary kind of went down or got quieter
Speaker 1: and died down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing that didn't get quieter was the sort of
Speaker 1: bananas versus everybody. We see him get multiple arguments and
Speaker 1: fights in a way that doesn't necessarily feel like his
Speaker 1: standard way of playing, Like, yes, he always puts people off,
Speaker 1: but this just feels like he's just going around guns
Speaker 1: of blazing to everyone. What is your take on it?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like he came into the house different
Speaker 1: than he had maybe in previous seasons.
Speaker 4: I think the number of people on this show from
Speaker 4: the beginning with starting with forty probably intimidated him because
Speaker 4: he realized he would have to potentially share the spotlight
Speaker 4: with thirty nine other people, and so he had to
Speaker 4: make a big splash and like do a lot more
Speaker 4: than he already normally does, and so, you know, I
Speaker 4: just feel like that was kind of what he was doing.
Speaker 4: But then at the same time and in the same breath,
Speaker 4: he is one of the ghosts of this show, and
Speaker 4: he knows how to serve the part. He knows how
Speaker 4: to get the party started, and he knows how to
Speaker 4: how to throw grenades and light fires, and like he's
Speaker 4: fantastic for the show and the ecosystem of what this is,
Speaker 4: the competition. So like, I have no hate for Johnny Bananas.
Speaker 4: He built this thing, right, yeah, yeah, But I think
Speaker 4: that's just him being him on steroids because he had
Speaker 4: thirty nine other personalities to share the spotlight with, and
Speaker 4: so he was like, I gotta do the most, which
Speaker 4: is what he did all season. But also it's like
Speaker 4: if he doesn't, if you extract everything that he did,
Speaker 4: you know, for better or worse, I mean, they're that's
Speaker 4: a lot of the meat and potatoes, you know, of
Speaker 4: what the season is. So I don't know, I feel
Speaker 4: like he's just a necessary evil.
Speaker 1: Maybe hanging out with I love New York rubbed off
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 4: Oh, he didn't even need that. Like Bananas is a
Speaker 4: one man band on his own. He don't need nobody else.
Speaker 2: What do you think Olivia's end goal was when she
Speaker 2: was having that conversation with him?
Speaker 3: Like what was she what was she trying to get
Speaker 3: out of that?
Speaker 4: Uh? Well, here's the thing I think, Oh, let me.
Speaker 4: I definitely got to say this. She hasn't spoken this yet,
Speaker 4: but I do believe that Johnny Banana's had a serious
Speaker 4: crush on her, oh from well before the show even started,
Speaker 4: and there was a documentation in the likes and he
Speaker 4: put on her page. He was obviously a fan of her.
Speaker 4: And I think that like she's never seen him like that,
Speaker 4: you know how sometimes the guy on the playground like yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like something like that was
Speaker 4: like he just kind of picks on her, but like secretly,
Speaker 4: like if he had a shot, there would be no
Speaker 4: scenario where he would go at Olivia. I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, she chowse THEO and I don't know, for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, he internalized it as if like he was
Speaker 4: an option and he and he just perspectfully never was
Speaker 4: so like I don't know why he kind of like
Speaker 4: tried to make an enemy out of her. But Olivia,
Speaker 4: for one, I can say, never talked about this man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was with her twenty four to seven. We sat
Speaker 4: in the closet, and sat on the bus and set
Speaker 4: to the bar and in our beds and gossiped all
Speaker 4: the time, and he was never the topic of conversation.
Speaker 4: So like the fact that she was always in his
Speaker 4: mouth to me was like just I was like, he
Speaker 4: obviously wanted her in some capacity, and then like once
Speaker 4: she got with you know, THEO who was connected with
Speaker 4: you know, other members of Air for and the whatever,
Speaker 4: the whole, like like many alliances that were going on,
Speaker 4: he was just like, I'm not messing with all y'all,
Speaker 4: with any of y'all. But I think it just I
Speaker 4: think it stems from I don't care if he acknowledges
Speaker 4: it or not. He probably never will. He definitely had
Speaker 4: a crush on Olivia and it just didn't pan out
Speaker 4: for him in that way. And I think that it
Speaker 4: was just kind of like you know, like the boy
Speaker 4: that pushes the girl on the playground type of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think that actually that sounds like a
Speaker 1: valid I mean I'm thinking about it now, because who
Speaker 1: was it that came on our podcast recently? Was it Devin?
Speaker 1: I don't know that with the theory that part of
Speaker 1: Bananas lashing out is because he's used to sort of
Speaker 1: having a crush in the house or being crushed on,
Speaker 1: like back in the day it was multiple people, and
Speaker 1: then now he's in a place where yes he built
Speaker 1: this thing, Yes he is an icon, but no, he's
Speaker 1: not necessarily the hot.
Speaker 4: New or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: In that way he is looked at as like the
Speaker 1: big brother more and more and so, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was an interesting theory that we hadn't considered before,
Speaker 1: but kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: I mean, and to your point, like when I think
Speaker 4: about other people in the house and like some of
Speaker 4: the maybe friction or just kind of like them getting
Speaker 4: antsy or anxious who are single or like didn't have
Speaker 4: who started spiraling but didn't have somebody delately next to
Speaker 4: because that shit really does matter. Like I've never played
Speaker 4: the game like with the Showman ever until this time around.
Speaker 4: But before Pilae and I like hooked up heavy, there
Speaker 4: was a moment where I was having you know, anthombic
Speaker 4: episodes and panic attacks, and I was just for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: I couldn't understand, because I wanted to be there. I
Speaker 4: was so unable to sleep and uncomfortable and have an anxiety
Speaker 4: that I almost left. And it wasn't until like he
Speaker 4: and I started hooking up that like all of that subsided.
Speaker 4: Like I wonder if I hadn't, you know, what type
Speaker 4: of temperament would I have been in throughout the entire season?
Speaker 4: What I've likely been on a hedge? What I have
Speaker 4: been you know, I told you I started freaking out
Speaker 4: when the vibrated. I've like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you going into this deliberation really quick,
Speaker 1: because it had to be tough knowing that two of
Speaker 1: what more and your closest friends in the house are
Speaker 1: the ones that you are you know, are contenders to
Speaker 1: go against you, So it's kind of like a lose lose.
Speaker 1: Did the three of you guys talk about it outside
Speaker 1: the deliberation, like was there something we didn't see or
Speaker 1: did you guys save it all for in the room.
Speaker 4: I mean, we obviously talked about it, like yikes. When
Speaker 4: we looked at the reality of like, hey, it's one
Speaker 4: of us is sending the other one home, and then
Speaker 4: that's why there was so much pressure on us to
Speaker 4: perform in the challenge, was like, okay, we need to
Speaker 4: not all three of us, worst case scenario can be
Speaker 4: down there like somebody else used to be down there,
Speaker 4: you know, so that at least one of or two
Speaker 4: of the lols survived. But it just turned out, like
Speaker 4: Johnny Bana said, it was poetic justice. It was like
Speaker 4: you couldn't have written a better, you know, a story
Speaker 4: or like situation for the plot for us to all
Speaker 4: be staring at each other knowing that you know, that
Speaker 4: night one of us was toast. But in terms of
Speaker 4: like I never approached Kylon with the idea of Okay,
Speaker 4: I want to go against this person versus that person.
Speaker 4: I totally trusted his instincts in the game. So I
Speaker 4: was kind of like, hey, dude, I mean I already
Speaker 4: know that the fact that I'm still here is insane,
Speaker 4: and and like I know where I rank in terms
Speaker 4: of like the power structure, in terms of my own
Speaker 4: strengths and weaknesses. So like neither of these girls are
Speaker 4: a tassa. Both of these girls are good at everything.
Speaker 4: I can beat them, they can beat me, Like you
Speaker 4: figure it out, Like I'm just you know, gonna hang back.
Speaker 4: Because also I just couldn't imagine trying to like politic
Speaker 4: against one of one of the right. So it really
Speaker 4: didn't matter to me. And then also I just had
Speaker 4: tremendous confidence in myself in the arena. It's like that
Speaker 4: is the one place that I typically thrive in the
Speaker 4: one place, and this whole thing is like I don't
Speaker 4: have zero fear down there, and so whereas most people
Speaker 4: want to avoid it at all costs, I'm just not
Speaker 4: scared of it. So I was like, Okay, I just
Speaker 4: have to lock in and get ready for this. You
Speaker 4: can focus on which one of your girls that you're
Speaker 4: going to send in. Because the other thing is Kylin
Speaker 4: was playing most of his game with Olivia and Michelle
Speaker 4: is his number one, number two to my knowledge, So
Speaker 4: what he communicated to me so like I knew it
Speaker 4: was not gonna be easy no matter what, because you know,
Speaker 4: to them, they also were like, well where does Naya Wrika?
Speaker 4: She has number one? I mean obviously at some point
Speaker 4: during the halfway point, he said, you're my number one.
Speaker 4: I mean, he even was crazy enough to say that
Speaker 4: he wanted to run a minor with me, And I'm like, y,
Speaker 4: ain't gotta do all that, buddy, like Austin in La.
Speaker 4: But like, I knew that this was not gonna be
Speaker 4: an easy situation, so I didn't want to make it harder.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, if you really are if
Speaker 4: you really want to see me come back in this house,
Speaker 4: you pick my opponent based on who you think I
Speaker 4: can be in whatever. It's the possible game that t
Speaker 4: is gonna throw at us, which you can never predict,
Speaker 4: right right, But I just I took my hands off
Speaker 4: of it. I wanted to enjoy what might potentially be
Speaker 4: my last night in the house with my people and
Speaker 4: like celebrate that and just get locked in for whatever
Speaker 4: TDY threw at me. I was not in any way
Speaker 4: interested in politicing against either Michelle or Olivia. Just it
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna happen. Now if they had conversations with him,
Speaker 4: I'm sure they did. Like I'm sure Olivia approached Kylin
Speaker 4: and said, hey, dude, like I think she was his
Speaker 4: number one and Michelle was his number two. I think
Speaker 4: that was the pecking order outside of me being his
Speaker 4: supposed number one. So I don't know, but I'm assuming
Speaker 4: they probably just to try and spare themselves approach him.
Speaker 4: But I don't know how those conversations were because I
Speaker 4: also asked him not to tell me. I didn't think
Speaker 4: it was I didn't need to know. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because it changed my perspective.
Speaker 2: I was convinced one hundred percent when we watched it
Speaker 2: the episode and you're crying, you start crying, right, I
Speaker 2: assumed that was a release, like built up relief, finally
Speaker 2: able to release from the news of Jordan. I thought
Speaker 2: that was from the heartbreak of Jordan. But listening to
Speaker 2: you speak now, it's like, no, I'm actually I'm going
Speaker 2: up against one of my girls.
Speaker 4: I never would have sat here.
Speaker 3: I thought you was crying over Michelle like I never
Speaker 3: would have thought that Jordan.
Speaker 4: I found it was about over the fact that, like
Speaker 4: when I was looking at them, like I could grow,
Speaker 4: I kept busting his tears over it right now, because
Speaker 4: like I said, in the final thing, it was like
Speaker 4: I had I have been so well received by those
Speaker 4: people in the house that like I didn't. I don't
Speaker 4: go there expecting to make friends, like I have an
Speaker 4: abundant amount of friends and love in my real life.
Speaker 4: So it's like I come there to compete for the
Speaker 4: vibes to get that little coin and then get out,
Speaker 4: and so like, I wasn't expecting to feel so much love,
Speaker 4: specifically between two girls who were already bonded as best friends,
Speaker 4: who like immediately roped me in and like immediately had
Speaker 4: my back, and like they it had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the game, and I don't think it was because
Speaker 4: they didn't see me as a threat. It's like I've
Speaker 4: never laughed harder in my life than like I did
Speaker 4: in the Challenge House, specifically in the room with those girls.
Speaker 1: And I like the idea like that love that for
Speaker 1: you did you did? Because you mentioned so these are
Speaker 1: like sort of new friends that you've made, right, and
Speaker 1: it's a really tight bond. And then obviously you and
Speaker 1: Jordan have a long standing history, right, like you guys
Speaker 1: were in real world together, and you mentioned you hadn't
Speaker 1: explicitly spoken to him about the hierarchy or like where
Speaker 1: you fit on his team, and blah blah blah, is
Speaker 1: it because you kind of felt that love and support
Speaker 1: with these girls that you kind of assumed like, hey,
Speaker 1: Jordan and I are cool, we're friends. Of course we
Speaker 1: have each other's back. Like were you shocked to hear
Speaker 1: what Bananas shared? Like what kind of went through your mind?
Speaker 1: What did we not see finding out that information?
Speaker 4: You have? Okay, let's break this down. So, like, here's
Speaker 4: the thing. I knew Jordan, unless it was between Tory
Speaker 4: and Laurel, would never make me a target, period. So
Speaker 4: I do we were bonded and I could rest on
Speaker 4: him protecting me in that way. However, the minute it
Speaker 4: broke off into a new game, what I did not
Speaker 4: do is assessed what game is being played at that moment.
Speaker 4: And so now, as a realist, it's like, Naya, this
Speaker 4: is the halfway point. This is actually past the halfway point.
Speaker 4: These men and these women are about to start redistributing
Speaker 4: like their power rankings and whatever, because they need to
Speaker 4: figure out who are the strongest players in the game
Speaker 4: that they might be paired with in a final should
Speaker 4: it be pairs, and let's be real, says it ain't
Speaker 4: you on anybody, right, So when Silent said, oh, we
Speaker 4: would have run the plane with you. He said, babe, please, like, no,
Speaker 4: like you, I want you to actually win. And if
Speaker 4: I want you to win, I would not selfishly tell
Speaker 4: you to pick me out of all these other women
Speaker 4: who were more prepared than I am. If I had done,
Speaker 4: if I had prepared, then it'd be like okay, bet,
Speaker 4: Because honestly, I was like, this man is gonna win it.
Speaker 4: So like if I want to get the bag of money, yeah,
Speaker 4: let him take me. Let him pick love over everything
Speaker 4: he goes and take me to the finish line. So
Speaker 4: and I we saw, you know, we've seen players like
Speaker 4: there'd be someone stronger than the other, and and and
Speaker 4: pairs they work dynamically, and so like I've been to
Speaker 4: a final and I was like, you just never know,
Speaker 4: I might be able to turn it on. I've been
Speaker 4: working out at that point. He had been like training
Speaker 4: me and all that stuff. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I might be ready to go. But like, I don't
Speaker 4: feel good saying yeah, protect me at all costs because
Speaker 4: I just respect the game too much and know that
Speaker 4: I didn't do the work before coming in here to
Speaker 4: set him up for failure.
Speaker 1: Right, So you feel like Jordan's sort of had that
Speaker 1: saint like it made it clicked for you, that perhaps
Speaker 1: that's why it clicked.
Speaker 4: But I wanted him to tell it. I wanted him
Speaker 4: to tell me the truth, and he didn't. And so
Speaker 4: like in that moment when you see us on a
Speaker 4: couch where I said, hey, yo, so I just want
Speaker 4: to let you know, cause here's the thing, he could
Speaker 4: have been like, Sis, now you know right, you ain't
Speaker 4: on it now that the game has changed and the
Speaker 4: target it's not about the target thing. And we're not
Speaker 4: on eras anymore, and we're not on the same team.
Speaker 4: You're not insulated in the same way this. I'm here
Speaker 4: for that money. Like the first conversation me and Jordan
Speaker 4: Hart had, I sid, Damn, you don't really be partying
Speaker 4: with us? He said partying. He said, I'm here to
Speaker 4: take all of y'all's money, and I thought that was
Speaker 4: the most gangster line ever ever aired. But he said
Speaker 4: it with his feet up, and I was like, Damn,
Speaker 4: he's for real too, Like that's just how he moves,
Speaker 4: and so I know what assignment he's on. And I
Speaker 4: would never be delusional in expecting him to. I would
Speaker 4: just not anybody that I fucked with and I knew
Speaker 4: where I ranked in terms of my ability to win
Speaker 4: one of these type of finals. I would never expect
Speaker 4: them to choose me when I look at everybody, all
Speaker 4: the other strong women that were better prepared. I just
Speaker 4: want him to tell me the truth. And like that
Speaker 4: part was like what do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 4: Like I'm not the old Naya that's gonna like, you know,
Speaker 4: freak out and you know, get kicked off the show.
Speaker 4: Like just tell me so that I can figure out
Speaker 4: what my new options are because you know, and then
Speaker 4: in the same breath, I'll be completely honest. Like at
Speaker 4: that point it was Neamiyah, Kylan and Corey for me anyway.
Speaker 4: But I just wanted him to tell me the truth
Speaker 4: because I'm sensitive about Jordan, and it's like I can
Speaker 4: handle the truth. I'm a different I'm not the same girl,
Speaker 4: little immature girl that I used to be where you
Speaker 4: couldn't tell her the suth or she's freak out. So
Speaker 4: like that part was just kind of corny to me.
Speaker 4: But like other than that, I wasn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 4: didn't sleep over it, Like I knew what time it
Speaker 4: was as soon as TJ said, take off your air
Speaker 4: of jerseys and put on these all black chirts. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm on bor all time. I'm not. I'm have to
Speaker 4: figure this out on my own.
Speaker 1: I love that. I mean, I don't love that, but
Speaker 1: I totally relate to I get it. I totally get it.
Speaker 1: We want to Yeah, go ahead, day no?
Speaker 2: Because it was a chaotic episode, right everybody was speaking
Speaker 2: up saying how they felt, causing chaos, freaking, havoc, all
Speaker 2: of the things. I was surprised by Rachel, okay, because
Speaker 2: Rachel had some choice words for you in the episode also,
Speaker 2: and I want to know what your response.
Speaker 3: How did that come? Like, what was the deal with
Speaker 3: you and Rachel?
Speaker 4: So in a previous episode, me and Jordan, our team
Speaker 4: had won and we sent in Tina and Durell, and
Speaker 4: the only option to not save Tana Darrell was Nea
Speaker 4: Maya and Avive, and Aviv gets saved by default because
Speaker 4: me and Maya is my number one in this game
Speaker 4: and damn near in life. Like me and this dude
Speaker 4: are so locked in on a level where it's like
Speaker 4: if you're close to us, you know, so, like I
Speaker 4: understood that she kind of wasn't maybe privy to the
Speaker 4: depth of me and the and Maya's relationship. But it's
Speaker 4: like this is a man where it's like the average
Speaker 4: time span and when we talk on the phone is
Speaker 4: two hours wow, and it's every week and it's been
Speaker 4: like that for the last three years. And it's like
Speaker 4: he comes to la he sees you when I if
Speaker 4: I pull up to whoever, bump fuck the town? What
Speaker 4: do they living? Okay?
Speaker 1: See, okay, make it the Kansas City holl You will
Speaker 1: get kicked off this podcast in M MF. And it's it.
Speaker 1: I may live in New York now, but I am
Speaker 1: Cacy for life.
Speaker 4: Roll it back. Bye, bad, my bad, my bad, susato
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like I that's my brother, Like I
Speaker 4: can't even and so like the thing is, everybody in
Speaker 4: the house came to understand it, and they weren't stripping
Speaker 4: off of it, but Rachel was and she wouldn't let
Speaker 4: it go. Really the part that bothered me. Everybody in
Speaker 4: the house had a number one someone who was off limits.
Speaker 4: We saw it with Avery and Derek. We saw it
Speaker 4: with Laurel and Jordan, We saw it with Torri and Jordan.
Speaker 4: When I did it, it was a problem to her.
Speaker 4: It was a problem to Tina, and she wouldn't let
Speaker 4: it go. What she did was she went to her
Speaker 4: closest allies in the house and says she hadn't bendetta
Speaker 4: against me, and she's gonna stop it nothing to get
Speaker 4: me and me and my out, which to me, I
Speaker 4: thought it was hilarious because I'm like, now she's playing
Speaker 4: an emotional game, because why are you worried about little
Speaker 4: o me? You should take me to the final night?
Speaker 4: Smoke my shit, right if you're smart. But you're so
Speaker 4: upset that I chose my best friend in the game
Speaker 4: over a woman who is not even like in my
Speaker 4: top ten twenty of best female friends. I love Tina
Speaker 4: to death, like, don't get me wrong, I fuck with
Speaker 4: her heavy, but she is delusional in her thinking that
Speaker 4: I would ever pick her over Niamiah, especially when wait,
Speaker 4: let's just take let's just take the fact that Neami
Speaker 4: is my brother. I owe derell one after he made
Speaker 4: me his first target. No matter how you paint it,
Speaker 4: if there's if there's if there's another scenario where Neamyah's
Speaker 4: not the guy and then the other guy attached to
Speaker 4: you with somebody that I'm working with. Okay, fine, you
Speaker 4: get saved, but not in this scenario. And I just
Speaker 4: didn't like that I was being punished for doing what
Speaker 4: everybody else was doing, which was saving their friends, but
Speaker 4: when I did it, it was apparently criminal. And so
Speaker 4: she has she had energy to focus on me and
Speaker 4: getting me and Niamiyah, and that part I just thought
Speaker 4: was whack because she didn't need to do that, Like
Speaker 4: she is such a freaking stud her former athlete, like
Speaker 4: she is on the mount much more. I am in
Speaker 4: awe of Rachel in every facet like of just I could.
Speaker 4: I could literally go down the list of why I'm
Speaker 4: inspired by her. So I just thought it was really
Speaker 4: whack that she was was making this emotional decision to
Speaker 4: come at me over something that everybody else in the
Speaker 4: game had permission to do. That was lame to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird that she would target that so hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, although I just wonder if it's inspired by
Speaker 1: the fact that Tina went in, Like I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's really just see I don't know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, it was it was obviously she felt like she
Speaker 4: was doing it for Tina. But I'm like, if that's
Speaker 4: the case, then I'm gonna have to go and check Tina,
Speaker 4: because it's like, what is our what is our friendship?
Speaker 4: Because if you would tell your friend on the way
Speaker 4: out it's a gun for me, then that's a problem.
Speaker 4: Right then are we really friends? Because like I thought,
Speaker 4: me and Tina, she left saying no hard feelings, literally
Speaker 4: hugged me in the arena she eliminated. She said no
Speaker 4: hard feelings on her way into the elimination. Which one
Speaker 4: is it? Like? Right, do you understand the move that
Speaker 4: I had to make or do you not? And would
Speaker 4: you be willing to disregard what I've said that I
Speaker 4: have to do, and that is to honor my brother
Speaker 4: in the game, who is higher the totem pole than you,
Speaker 4: that you would tell your homegirl on the way out, YO,
Speaker 4: get her out of here. If you would do that,
Speaker 4: then that's corny. I don't I don't have any proof.
Speaker 4: I don't think that Tina would do it. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: what was what inspired Rachel to do that? Right? Because
Speaker 4: you YouTube, somebody said something to her like.
Speaker 3: YouTube have been having it back and forth.
Speaker 2: Will had a back and forth on Twitter lengthy, but
Speaker 2: it seemed like I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to really put it.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem like you guys were angry with each other.
Speaker 2: It seemed like you were explaining yourself, and she was
Speaker 2: more so like, it is what it is next time
Speaker 2: I see you, basically in the sense of the challenge,
Speaker 2: the game, it's on site.
Speaker 3: That's what I got from you.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I don't I don't even like
Speaker 4: give it that much attention because it's like I just
Speaker 4: first of all, I just live in the light these days.
Speaker 4: But also I have exhausted myself at explaining this to
Speaker 4: Tina at length outside of the show on the phone
Speaker 4: for hours, and it's weird because it's like I need
Speaker 4: you to decide either you fuck with me or you don't,
Speaker 4: because I can't do anything other than tell you the truth,
Speaker 4: which has been the same story since the day I
Speaker 4: came and delivered the dudes and said you're going in
Speaker 4: says yeah, like there's nothing you No matter how long
Speaker 4: we talk about this, my stance will never change. Now
Speaker 4: I feel like you were disrespecting me by making me
Speaker 4: explain it to you a hundred times, because I would
Speaker 4: never do that to you. I would never do that
Speaker 4: to her. I would accept it, understand the reality of it,
Speaker 4: and move on and say, you know what, I played
Speaker 4: a hell of a game. I didn't win in the elimination,
Speaker 4: like that's why me, like whatever, but like she needed
Speaker 4: need to explain it to her over and over and
Speaker 4: over again, over again, over again, and then if she
Speaker 4: did it on Twitter, and it's like you are now
Speaker 4: what I because every time I talk to her, every
Speaker 4: time the conversation ends, she says, I'm not mad, she
Speaker 4: says I understand, and then for whatever reason, she wakes
Speaker 4: up and it's like she just control all the de
Speaker 4: lead of the conversation we had before, and she's mad again,
Speaker 4: and like I don't know if it's just that's just
Speaker 4: who she is. Again. That also proves that I don't
Speaker 4: know her that well. I love her, but I don't
Speaker 4: know how she is, how she operates emotionally. Because once
Speaker 4: I say I'm done with it, I'm done with it.
Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about me waking up and
Speaker 4: like having amnesia. It's just like I don't know. It
Speaker 4: was exhausting, and I hate it that she took it
Speaker 4: to Twitter because she had my phone number, and then
Speaker 4: she tried to call me after that and I said, no,
Speaker 4: we'll talk about it on the reunion, since you wanted
Speaker 4: to bring it on the public stage, we'll do it
Speaker 4: there too. We're I'm not picking up the phone and
Speaker 4: talking about this again because you now have regarded every no, no,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I love Tina so much that
Speaker 4: I will love her from afar if that is what
Speaker 4: is required, because I also do require my respect. You
Speaker 4: to respect me.
Speaker 1: Of course, right of course, And that's on standards and
Speaker 1: boundaries very much.
Speaker 4: Boundaries, yep.
Speaker 1: Now, Sis, I have to ask you this with love.
Speaker 1: What boundary were you setting with the math equations and
Speaker 1: the elimination because okay, walk us through, walk it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you show up, you see these boxes. Are you
Speaker 1: feeling good about it? Are you feeling oh crap about it?
Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm not even gonna lie to you.
Speaker 4: Even though it was math, which is like my krids
Speaker 4: and I I was feeling really good. And this is
Speaker 4: why Michelle proclaimed the whole season that she was trash
Speaker 4: at math also, So I'm like, okay, at least I
Speaker 4: know I'm not going up against a whiz, because if
Speaker 4: it's a wiz or someone who's even mildly openly confident
Speaker 4: about it. I'm they're gonna smoke me. But the fact
Speaker 4: that I knew I could smell it on her that
Speaker 4: there was this she was afraid, I'm like, oh, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of hope here. And then with the boxes,
Speaker 4: I'm way bigger than her and stronger than her and
Speaker 4: can lift a heavier load. So I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is an equalizer game, whether people realize it or not.
Speaker 4: All I have to do. I don't know what type
Speaker 4: of math they're gonna give us, but I'm hoping it's
Speaker 4: four times four.
Speaker 1: What kind of math was it that it?
Speaker 4: Girl? It was No. It was my worst nightmare. Because
Speaker 4: mind you, I did start trying to practice the math
Speaker 4: at the end of the like towards the end of
Speaker 4: the season, Sadoku all that stuff, because I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: this is cute. I might end up in a final
Speaker 4: like he because I just like was still there. And
Speaker 4: so I was doing my part to like practice math
Speaker 4: and had the boys tutoring me or whatever. And so
Speaker 4: when I saw the compound math problems, I'm like, what, Okay.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't even like little stuff. It'd be like
Speaker 4: seven hundred and thirty five divided by one hundred and
Speaker 4: ten minus this or that it or it would be
Speaker 4: like five hundred times twenty five minus one hundred. It
Speaker 4: was just like layers to it.
Speaker 1: Did you use pim dice.
Speaker 4: Not pim dic? What is that? Please? Excuse you use?
Speaker 1: Please exact parentheses? Xponent, multiplication, division, addition, attraction.
Speaker 4: Listen? Do you know what I do when I need
Speaker 4: to know the answer to anything math related? Do you
Speaker 4: know what I do? I say, Hey, Siri, what is yo?
Speaker 4: I don't even have time to pull out a cal
Speaker 4: I'm going straight to Google.
Speaker 3: There were gonna tell you every time?
Speaker 4: Wait, why is theory on my other phone? Just start
Speaker 4: talking to me. When I said that, that's larious because
Speaker 4: she used.
Speaker 1: To you calling her right.
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Here she go, here she go. Okay, So so the
Speaker 1: math problems fair? All right? It caught you off guard.
Speaker 1: We see two very different strategies, which I thought was
Speaker 1: so interesting. Where Michelle right is like doing a couple
Speaker 1: math problems then taking a few boxes, and you've seen
Speaker 1: dead set on doing all the math problems first and
Speaker 1: taking the other boxes. Why did you fight so hard?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us what happened?
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the thing we both started on the
Speaker 4: outer side where the crowd could see us, and we
Speaker 4: both had two math problems. On that side. Me and
Speaker 4: her finished those math poms at the same time, and
Speaker 4: I was shocked. I'm like, did you know math? Like
Speaker 4: how something?
Speaker 1: You doing this right now?
Speaker 4: I was literally like whoa, Like how did I get
Speaker 4: the answer? Because I was just free balling it. But
Speaker 4: I think it was because I was composed, I was calm,
Speaker 4: and when I got to the other side. What changed
Speaker 4: immediately was I heard her move her chains and that
Speaker 4: my brain shut off because I didn't realize that you
Speaker 4: could move the chains and before you had all the
Speaker 4: math problems finished. I saw you had to finish all
Speaker 4: the maths and then you can be the change something.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, did she just immediately solve the other
Speaker 4: two problems? And like now she's done? So at that point,
Speaker 4: I couldn't add my own hands together, like it was
Speaker 4: over with, Like I my brain completely shut off, and
Speaker 4: I'm just like holy shit, so like and I just remember,
Speaker 4: like I was like, cause you you know, it's happening
Speaker 4: in slow motion and she's going and I'm hearing the
Speaker 4: crowd saying what are you doing? No, I R what
Speaker 4: are you doing, like move even because they can't see me.
Speaker 4: Now now I'm stuck behind the boxes that moved to
Speaker 4: the other side, and I just felt it slipping away.
Speaker 4: But again, remember what I said about how I had
Speaker 4: composure on the other side and I was able to
Speaker 4: do something that I normally would never be good at
Speaker 4: and figure out this like compound math. The minute I
Speaker 4: lost composure because I heard her moving the chains, it
Speaker 4: was over with.
Speaker 1: Did you hear them shouting at you to move? Because
Speaker 1: we see and obviously you know that like there's in
Speaker 1: an actual elimination, you can't hear everything, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you can hear some things, we can't hear everything,
Speaker 1: but what we see them is eventually telling you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, take a break, like move some boxes and
Speaker 1: then come back. You'll take a break, move some box.
Speaker 4: I didn't even hear it. Honestly, I had already told
Speaker 4: myself that you can't do anything. You can't unhook these
Speaker 4: and drag them across the arena until you finish the math.
Speaker 4: And so even though they were saying that people were
Speaker 4: offering advice, I, you know, very wrongly was under the
Speaker 4: impression that it didn't matter. I thought I knew the
Speaker 4: rules and they didn't. I'm like, they don't realize, they
Speaker 4: don't realize that I can start and can't do this.
Speaker 4: So I was just kind of like, nah, you better,
Speaker 4: you better figure something out, like you better just take
Speaker 4: a deep breath. And I kept starting the math come
Speaker 4: over and over and over again. And the wildest part
Speaker 4: is apparently somebody said you had the right past as
Speaker 4: you were putting it in the wrong block, oh man,
Speaker 4: because they could see me, so they could see and
Speaker 4: they're just like, she has it, but she's just she's
Speaker 4: so flustered that she's just sitting there putting it in
Speaker 4: the same like, try another lot, but I just I
Speaker 4: didn't do that. But I will say this, when I
Speaker 4: started moving the boxes, I remember just being like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, like truly, And Michelle is a freaking badass.
Speaker 4: And this is not taken away from her. Win she
Speaker 4: kicked my ass. But I thought if I would have
Speaker 4: started moving boxes and given my brain a break and
Speaker 4: then allowed myself to move them faster than her, because
Speaker 4: let's be real, I would have like, just I had
Speaker 4: more manpower than she did. Yeah, And if I would
Speaker 4: have gone back to it and in those runs back
Speaker 4: and forth, transferring the boxes. I would have built my confidence,
Speaker 4: I would have been more composed. There is an absolute
Speaker 4: chance that I beat her in that one. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: so I just I love like I love that moment
Speaker 4: for me. And again, let me please preface this was
Speaker 4: saying she kicked my ass. She was supposed to win.
Speaker 4: Thank god she did, because when I saw what was
Speaker 4: happening in the next episode, I'm like, yeah, no, not
Speaker 4: trying to be a part of that a mini final,
Speaker 4: but it was everything for me as a learning lesson,
Speaker 4: you know, number one, like all the preparation that matters
Speaker 4: before you come to a challenge, and too like composure,
Speaker 4: m h. I felt like so many of my fumbles
Speaker 4: and so many of my errors this season were unforced
Speaker 4: because of just the lack complete lack of composure. When
Speaker 4: TJ Blue the horn, yeah and.
Speaker 1: So everything yeah, like that game, so much of it,
Speaker 1: like so much of it is mind over everything, Like
Speaker 1: if you have control of your mind, you've already made
Speaker 1: it three quarters of the way through this show.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And that is my biggest takeaway. Corey is
Speaker 4: who put it in my head in my first elimination
Speaker 4: when I tripped over my own feet and like put
Speaker 4: in Amanda's ball on her play put it in the thing,
Speaker 4: and obviously I've won that one by the skin of
Speaker 4: my teeth. But he when we got back to the
Speaker 4: house and said, Naya, you've got to find composure, he goes,
Speaker 4: you terrify all of these women. Yeah, whether they admit
Speaker 4: it or not, they don't want to lose to you
Speaker 4: for their own ego or whatever. But also like you're
Speaker 4: just a You just don't have the composure at all.
Speaker 4: And he's like, you have to find it. And for
Speaker 4: the most part, I did not during the season at all,
Speaker 4: but I do acknowledge in defeat that is something that
Speaker 4: I absolutely have to have packed in my bags before
Speaker 4: if I were to ever do another one of these again,
Speaker 4: Like I have to have it from day one, from
Speaker 4: the first whistle like period, and that's something that I
Speaker 4: have to work on, you know, the in the off season.
Speaker 1: I say this with love the same way we were
Speaker 1: speaking about THEO you too, are you not just physically, mentally,
Speaker 1: emotionally are built to go the distance here? You just
Speaker 1: have to pack up your tools when you come back
Speaker 1: next season to make sure that you're implementing them all
Speaker 1: to get there. Heck, I say it about myself sometimes
Speaker 1: I just know I'm not going to the gym like that.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. And I'm older now,
Speaker 1: but you you know, and not everyone can say that.
Speaker 1: Some people have to work kind of twice as hard.
Speaker 1: But really, if you put in even any of the
Speaker 1: work and stay out of Josh or Kayland or whomever else,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, girl, now.
Speaker 4: You're right, and listen. I receive that. And again, it's
Speaker 4: just like the only real opponent that I have is me,
Speaker 4: and I've spent my whole life I was always the
Speaker 4: agent of chaos and self sabotage. Like had all the favor,
Speaker 4: had all the favor, had all the natural skill set,
Speaker 4: the talent, the charisma, the personality, all the things, but
Speaker 4: I would find a way to fuck it all up
Speaker 4: by getting in my own way. And so like I
Speaker 4: as you've seen in recent years, it's like I refuse
Speaker 4: to do that anymore. Like, yeah, I don't have to
Speaker 4: be Hurricane Nya. I don't have to turn up on nobody.
Speaker 4: I don't have to like go to like low blows
Speaker 4: and do vile things and like hurt people. It's like
Speaker 4: I can stand up for myself I can call people
Speaker 4: in their shit, but I could do it in a
Speaker 4: way that I still feel like I could sleep well
Speaker 4: well at night and be proud of how I handle myself.
Speaker 4: And I also need to do that same growth with
Speaker 4: in other areas and like the mental, mental, physical preparation
Speaker 4: for this, and I think also it really just was
Speaker 4: down to figuring out what is my why because I
Speaker 4: still don't. Damn.
Speaker 1: Th hmmm, that's interesting, you know what, Naya.
Speaker 2: I have to say this one thing I can say
Speaker 2: about you, and I appreciate it is every single time
Speaker 2: we see you and when we talk to you, cause
Speaker 2: I think this is my second time interviewing you on
Speaker 2: a podcast, not when I've seen you like in life,
Speaker 2: but on the pod.
Speaker 3: You are so committed to being better than you were yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's like.
Speaker 2: Your personal mission to continuously grow and not just grow
Speaker 2: to say that I've grown, but grown, grow and learn
Speaker 2: from who you were yesterday. You take accountability, you admit
Speaker 2: when you were wrong, like you just you you you're growing,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's so encouraging for other people.
Speaker 2: It should be encouraging for other people. And I just
Speaker 2: want to give you your flowers on them because we
Speaker 2: don't see that, especially in these circles.
Speaker 3: We don't see that. Guys just want to give your
Speaker 3: flowers on that.
Speaker 4: But I received that, Thank you guys truly, and I
Speaker 4: think that that is what my story will be in
Speaker 4: this is that you can you can evolve, you can
Speaker 4: change for the better. You can say hey, I need
Speaker 4: help or like this, I'm the common denominator of my problems.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to be the person that walks
Speaker 4: into a room and people walk out, you know, like
Speaker 4: I want people to feel safe around me. And like
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that what I was doing wasn't funny.
Speaker 4: I was actually really hurting people and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: there's something wrong internally here, and like I need professional help,
Speaker 4: Like trying to figure this out on my own is
Speaker 4: not working. And then also if you know the family
Speaker 4: that I come from, it was shameful because I knew better.
Speaker 4: I had the most perfect upbringing. I couldnot be more
Speaker 4: proud of my older sister, my mother, my father, like
Speaker 4: the lineage that I come from. So to just go
Speaker 4: through life acting a fool because life had allowed me
Speaker 4: to do that, it was like I want to honor
Speaker 4: my last name and my mother and father and like
Speaker 4: where I come from. So it was like, okay, this
Speaker 4: it just wasn't cool anymore. It wasn't it wasn't as
Speaker 4: funny as I thought. It was, so like I had
Speaker 4: to do the work, you know, outside of the show,
Speaker 4: and I didn't think I would ever get called again.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't doing the work because I wanted to
Speaker 4: get pulled back into this, Like I was so at
Speaker 4: peace with never coming back, and I found a career
Speaker 4: that I loved and something I was proud to do.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad that at least people were able to
Speaker 4: see that sort of redemption arc not from a vanity purpose,
Speaker 4: because I don't need people to realize that I'm a
Speaker 4: better person. I'm a good person. I know that I am.
Speaker 4: It's not for that, but if I inspired somebody else
Speaker 4: to change for the better and to like learn to
Speaker 4: do the right thing and to walk away from things
Speaker 4: that don't serve them and to handle themselves differently than like,
Speaker 4: like even just seeing me and Avery together, people are like,
Speaker 4: what is that even? So was that fight even real?
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, that sh it was real, Like we
Speaker 4: got to kill each other, but we healed we forgave get.
Speaker 4: We left space for time for each of us to,
Speaker 4: you know, like have space to do that, and like
Speaker 4: I can't. When I see clips, old clips of like
Speaker 4: the things that I did back in the day, it's
Speaker 4: I don't I know this sounds really cliche, but I
Speaker 4: don't recognize who that person is. Like, I know, it
Speaker 4: looks like Naya, it looks like me, it sounds like me,
Speaker 4: but that version of me died, yeah, and so like
Speaker 4: I just don't have any attachment to it. So it's
Speaker 4: like it's it's not even funny to me anymore. It's
Speaker 4: like people send me thish it all the time, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I mean, I get it, but it's like
Speaker 4: that version of me does not exist at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So and I'm happy. I'm proud that that version of
Speaker 4: me died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is just like like Day said, it's
Speaker 1: beautiful to see. And I think, you know, you spoke
Speaker 1: about how people can grow, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: thing where every living thing is either growing or dying.
Speaker 1: So all of us it's either we're putting in the
Speaker 1: work to just grow and be better. Not perfect, because
Speaker 1: no one is, but constantly, like as we move through life.
Speaker 1: You should be learning something new, you should be challenging yourself.
Speaker 1: And I also think that's one thing that challengers don't
Speaker 1: always get credit for. It is like, yes, we're doing
Speaker 1: this to secure the bag, blah blah blah, and their
Speaker 1: egos involved in all the things. But also this show
Speaker 1: often pushes people beyond their comfort zones and it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful opportunity to be able to live that out loud.
Speaker 1: But in general, everyone should be striving to be better,
Speaker 1: to learn something new, do something new, do something different,
Speaker 1: And it is beautiful to see that in you, Naya.
Speaker 1: And so you know you can go ahead and send
Speaker 1: Day and I Ladies of Leisure shirt.
Speaker 4: Very much.
Speaker 1: But I also want to see you work out and
Speaker 1: win a season. Y. Yes, we want to see you
Speaker 1: work out. We want to see you come back. Don't
Speaker 1: get distracted by those boys. Your journey starts today, Naya,
Speaker 1: for the next season. So if we want to follow
Speaker 1: along with your journey. For those who aren't already following you,
Speaker 1: where can they find you? On socials?
Speaker 4: Very simple? The real Naya More that's spelled n I
Speaker 4: A M O O R E on everything. Now I'm
Speaker 4: so glad you hang out guys so much, like it
Speaker 4: is such an honor to have been invited because like
Speaker 4: spend time with you guys a fellowship over this season.
Speaker 1: Love that so much. Thank you for making time to
Speaker 1: come on the podcast too.
Speaker 4: Of course my pleasure. And thank you guys again for
Speaker 4: giving me the space to do this. But you know,
Speaker 4: mama's got a few dates fined up, so I got
Speaker 4: a calldie's man to figure out who in Spain is
Speaker 4: they can be all the dinner.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I love having Nia on just so much fun.
Speaker 1: I love that she just there's like no filter, but
Speaker 1: there's all self awareness also, which just makes it a
Speaker 1: whole vibe. It makes it so much fun. I hope
Speaker 1: that everyone listening took away some things from that interview
Speaker 1: as well. Day if they want to take away some
Speaker 1: things from the growth in your life, where can they
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Speaker 2: Oh, be encouraged, because you can find me at church
Speaker 2: telling you how to get right with the Lord. But
Speaker 2: you can also find me on all the socials at davone,
Speaker 2: Diane underscore where I'm also gonna be telling you to
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Speaker 1: You can find me on devinsmone dot com go to
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Speaker 1: You can also find me on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, occasionally
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Speaker 1: there and also just want to shout out to all
Speaker 1: of the suite. There are some challengers who left some
Speaker 1: really sweet comments regarding Brooklyn, the real world dog my
Speaker 1: dog Rookie, who passed away this month, So thank you
Speaker 1: all for that and I want to dedicate this episode
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Come on, Brooklyn all.
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