1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal home that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Edith state is that woo woom? 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the solid verbal 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrandt, joining me 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: as always way over there, though not as far as before. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: The one and only Dan Rubinstein, sir, how you doing? Man? 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: Good? 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: I am unsure about when I will actually have all 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: of my normal goods and wares because I have now 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: been away from Brooklyn for going on almost four months. 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: But no, I am now on Central time. I am 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: now on Central time. We have made our way to 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: the suburbs of Chicago. Would not have gotten on a 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: plane if there weren't family circumstances to attend to. So 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: everything is cool. I will just say we're out here 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: and we're comfortable, and everybody's good, and I would say 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: we'll be here for Do you know what a ray is? 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: In geometry? 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Tie? Hooray. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: I've heard ray, but geometry was not my strongest. Strongest 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: math line is point to point, ray is open ended 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: point to something else. So not exactly sure how long 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: we'll be in the suburbs of Chicago, but here we are, 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: and everybody's cool. So I'm dealing with some family circumstances 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: that you know, everybody, everybody deals with. 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: It's not uncommon. Hopefully everything turns out all right. But 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: this is where I and Jody with and I and 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: the solid toddler are now residing tie. So what better day, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: what better change, than to hop on a show to 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: discuss north central Indiana private parochial football, Right. 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: I believe that's correct. 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: So, as you might have gathered from the title of 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: the show, we are talking a little bit of Notre 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: Dame with our good friend Pete Sampson, longtime friend of 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: the show. 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, gold standard, best of the best, love Pete. 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: Pete's over at the Athletic. He does a great job 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: keeping track of the Irish or read him all the time, 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: and he actually, as luck would have it, you know, 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: like this week where we're having news breaking, important news breaking. 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: Right before we hit record, right before I connect it 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: up with Pete, he drops an article a one on 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: one interview he did with Brian Kelly, so we had 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: a chance to get into that talk about some of 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: the scheduling conundrum, stuff going on with Notre Dame, and 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: more specifically the internet memes about Notre Dame being canceled 50 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: this coming fall semester. So we'll get into all that 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: and much much more in the meantime. 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: Daniel, it is good to hear your voice. I hope 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: all this well. 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for hopping on with me to 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 3: help lay the groundwork for the show with Pete. If 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: you like the show, don't forget to subscribe. You can 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: find us out there on Apple Podcasts, on Google Podcasts, 58 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: and of course on Spotify. There are also plenty of 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: other ways that you can get in touch and follow 60 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: along with our madness. 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It's just going to be the newsletter 71 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: of intent pending some you know, some things on our 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: end that we're still working through. 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: And also we should mention if if you think Tai 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: is a good guy, you're you're totally wrong. 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: He's a great guy. 76 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: If you send him one hundred dollars, he's going to 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: send you back two hundred dollars via bitcoin. 78 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's exactly correct? 79 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: Is that what happened yesterday? I was traveling and I 80 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: saw that Twitter was shut down or not Twitter, but 81 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: I guess confirmed verified accounts because they were hacked and 82 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: asked people to send them bitcoin. Is that what happened? 83 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: That is what happened. 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh god, the world's ending. Okay, the world is ending. 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: It's possible. It is possible. It's always possible. Don' want 86 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: to rule anything out? Shall we get to news I 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: would love to. 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: Break? I guess it's not so breaking news yes time. 89 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: Oh god, not that voice again, davorit. It killed me, 90 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: killed me on the last show. 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: Okay. 92 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: The NCAA has issued extended guidelines to help navigate the 93 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: return to fall sports amid the pandemic. The guidelines released 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: on Thursday, testing strategies for all athletics activities including preseason, 95 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: regular season, and postseason, along with daily self health checks, 96 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: the use of phase coverings, and social distancing during training, competition, 97 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 3: and outside of athletics. Mark Emmert releases that document, but 98 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: at the same time acknowledges that the virus is trending 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: in the wrong direction. Some of the data points we've seen, 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: especially in some of our most football crazed states, they're 101 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: having a hard time with it right now. So nice 102 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: of the NCAA to send this out. No doubt, there 103 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: are still many challenges ahead. 104 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about the fact that they're just we 105 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: need to get as close to universal protocols as possible, 106 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: be it on the conference level, be it on some 107 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: sort of Power five agreement level FBS agreement level NCAA 108 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: which does not necessarily govern competition with FBS football. Rather 109 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: than enforce some basic rules, there needs to be some 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: sort of protocol guidance. The problem, as always is nobody 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: fully knows what's best. So it's good that the nc 112 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: DOUBLEA is sort of figuring out the best they can do, 113 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: and the best that they can think of that makes 114 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: sense for their member institutions. But at the same time, 115 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: everything needs to be taken with a bit of a 116 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: shrug because every day we learn more and have to 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: adjust to different things. So good to hear. I remain 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: confident that this season is not going to be anything 119 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: if at all. If it happens, but it's not gonna 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: be anything like we're used to. If it's even attempted. 121 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: There will be a huge quirk, as we said time 122 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: and again, and furthermore, if and when this system changes, 123 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: at least if it's you know, if only for one season, 124 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: It's not going to be the NCUBLEA that decides to 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: change it. It's going to be the member institutions. It's 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: going to be the challenges that local municipalities are facing. 127 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: It's going to be driven by local, state and our 128 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: leadership at the federal level. That's what it's going to 129 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: amount to. So a lot remains to be seen. It 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: is nice, as you said, that they took the step, 131 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: but I think there are huge challenges ahead. I did 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: see that the AAC, the American Athletic Conference, they're going 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: to require mandatory coronavirus testing for all football teams at 134 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: least seventy two hours before each game. They also announced 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: that on Thursday you go on to read the article 136 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: here their commissioner basically saying, we know this is coming. 137 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: We want to try and get out in front of 138 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: the power five before maybe they make similar announcements. We 139 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: sort of want to be on the level and establish 140 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: that protocol. The protocol, as we'll talk about in my 141 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: interview with Pete a little bit later, and as we've 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: alluded to time and again on this show, that protocol. 143 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: The closer we can get to some standardized version of that, 144 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: there's never going to be a bubble like there is 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: in the NBA in college football, but if we can 146 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: get some standard guys protocol related to testing, that would 147 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: that that would solve at least a long way some 148 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: of the problem. 149 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Right, sure? 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: Can I can I put you totally on the spot 151 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: for a question that you there is no right answer 152 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: that you're definitely not gonna be able to answer correctly, 153 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: but I'm still gonna ask it, please, Okay. One of 154 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: the terms you mentioned was it's not going to come 155 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: down to like the NCAA mandating yes or no. It's 156 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: going to be sort of a member institution than conference. 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: It's going to be on a bunch of different levels 158 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: that that's going to affect change. 159 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: Is there a. 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: Specific school or a level of school in terms of 161 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: college football hierarchy if that matters, or importance or cachet whatever. 162 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: Is there a school that if they say, we're just 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: not doing this, like we had the Ivy League, we 164 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: had the Patriot League. I know you're gonna mention that. 165 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: I think it's the MEAC, the Mid Eastern Athletic Conference. 166 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: We've had conferences sort of cancel fall sports and say, well, 167 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: see what happens in the spring. We'll see what the 168 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: world looks like in the spring. Is there a level 169 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: of school that's that if they say, you know, this 170 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: testing that we're doing, it's just not enough. We're not 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: getting good results. We're not putting our student athletes, you know, 172 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: at risk because we know we can't really control things 173 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: to a level that we can. Is it is it 174 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: Texas saying it? Or Georgia saying or Alabama or USC 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: is it? You know if a is it Houston? Is 176 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: it Memphis? Is it Boise State? If Boise State says 177 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: this ain't it? This just ain't it we're not it's 178 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: not worth the risk. What level of school carries that 179 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: weight that you're going to see immediate dominoes across the sport. 180 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: Well, Benny, what's interesting about this is that I think 181 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: there's both a trickle down and trickle up effect. We 182 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: talked about the trickle up effect with the IVY League, 183 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: and as the IVY League made some of its announcements, 184 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: as Nicole and Bruce and others at the Athletic wisely 185 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: noted there there were dominoes that fell after that IVY 186 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 3: League announcement. 187 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: So one thing that we brought up in the. 188 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: Interview, and we'll talk about this more with with Pete 189 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: Sampson again from the Athletic, But. 190 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: That's dominoes of non conference dominoes a non conference, but 191 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: just dominoes in general. Right for sure. 192 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: You know, Pete and I talk about the size of 193 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: Notre Dame and Notre Dame by comparisons a small school. 194 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: If they can't do it, clearly they are a notable institution, 195 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: a blue blood institution, and if they're unable to get 196 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: it controlled within their smaller space, that that could be 197 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: a harbinger of things to come for bigger schools. Totally 198 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: to your direct question, though, I think if an Ohio 199 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: state or Texas rule it out, that's a big deal. 200 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: Those are very very rich athletic. 201 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: Because they have but they have the resources, is what 202 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: you're saying. They have the resources, yeah, right to enact 203 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: harsh safety protocols. They can basically afford to do whatever 204 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: they want. And if they can't get it under control 205 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: at bigger state institutions, that's a problem. 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: That's a problem. I think that would be the worst 207 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: sign that this is not going to go off, either 208 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: in the fall or in the spring whenever. I you know, 209 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 3: I don't know, but certainly a school of that magnitude 210 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 3: that has deep pockets, if they can't pull it off, 211 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: there's a real problem. 212 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 2: What about And I know that they're sort of in 213 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: the news as well. The American Conference, the AAC says, 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: we don't have a unifying confidence that we can get 215 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: things together to keep our kids safe enough. We know 216 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: we're going to take an enormous financial hit, but morally 217 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: we just we can't do it. We just can't do it. 218 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: And you know, all the ads and whoever else presidents 219 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: of these schools all agree. What does that do you 220 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: don't have a correct answer, because nobody does. But do 221 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: you think that it obviously has to carry significantly more 222 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: weight than the IVY or Patriot League share Patriot League, 223 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: who we love. I think it's probably inevitable at this point. 224 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: I think they're trying to put it off as long 225 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: as they can m M. And I do think it 226 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: would have an effect. These are more games that teams 227 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: who haven't already called off non conference games can't play, right, 228 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: So eventually you run out of teams. 229 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if the challenges are just too great to overcome, 230 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: and if you're stuck playing your own conference, not always 231 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: bad thing. 232 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 2: Stuck Wow. I don't know who that comment was directed at. 233 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: Okay, but LIKECC, that's a significant challenge, especially if you 234 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 3: have schools within your conference that may be unable to 235 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: field a team for one reason or another. So I 236 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: just for sure the pool of available teams is growing 237 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: shallow we'er by the second and the more announcements that 238 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: come out. Now the AAC is not there yet, they 239 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: could get there soon. For now, it's just a mandatory 240 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: seventy two hour testing protocol. But now I think each 241 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: one of these contributes and eventually will probably get to 242 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: a point where someone serves as a strawbreaking the Campbell's back. 243 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't even Oh, I can't even imagine 245 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: what sort of that that scenario playing out looks like. 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about college football teams in a 247 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: bubble like what the NBA MLS to a lesser degree, 248 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: MLB is doing. Yeah, how much it must cost to 249 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: put one hundred, one hundred and twenty one hundred and 250 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: fifty people in a bubble, even if they're a few 251 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: read different regional bubbles. The NBA is spending what one 252 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million or something crazy like that in Orlando, 253 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: and there they have positive tests and complications things like that. 254 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to do 255 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: that with football, and I don't I don't know. Does 256 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: the NFL's not doing that right? No, they're just already 257 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: hoping for the best. That's their best mechanism. Yeah, I 258 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: there's just there's no good answer. As much as member 259 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: institutions and the NCAA and conferences are trying, I feel 260 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: for them, and I feel for you Ti. 261 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah. 262 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: The Mid Eastern Athletic Conference has suspended all fall sports 263 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: indefinitely because of the pandemic. They have yet to determine 264 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: whether or not they're going to try and move the 265 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: season to the twenty twenty one spring semester. 266 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: That's the MEAC. 267 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: That's teams like North Carolina A and T. Bethune, Cookman 268 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: Florida A, and M. Howard Morgan State. There's a whole 269 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: bunch of historically black institutions part of the BAX, So 270 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: hopefully they get to play football at some point in 271 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: the academic year. Would love to see them play in 272 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: the spring if at all possible, but for now they've 273 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: made the decision that not going to try and give 274 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: it a go in the fall. 275 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, always crazy bum to hear about things like this, 276 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: but glad they're enough out in front of this that 277 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: hopefully they're figuring out contingency plans for a potential delayed 278 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: season in late winter spring with with safety protocols in place. 279 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: If the world and the country isn't a better place. 280 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: Other news here, Dan, Perhaps we should have expected this, 281 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: but the NCAA has ruled that Bowl eligibility for this 282 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: season only can be a little bit different. They approved 283 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: a blanket waiver request for only this season. It allows 284 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: all FBS teams to count two games, count them one 285 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: two against FCS opponents that average at least eighty percent 286 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: of the maximum amount of football scholarships during a two 287 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: year periods. 288 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of words there. 289 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: All you need to know is that previously they only 290 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: allowed FBS teams to count one game against an FCS opponent, 291 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: and that opponent had to average ninety percent of the 292 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: maximum allowable football scholarships during a two year span. So again, 293 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: more words, but one versus two and eighty percent versus 294 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: ninety percent. 295 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: All I need to know. 296 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm not right now in mid July anticipating a twenty 297 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: twenty Mayo Bowl. 298 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: I'm not the male bull takes the brunt man. They 299 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: are taking the brunt here on this show. 300 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: Well for a season, hopeful for some sort of season 301 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: whatever it looks like. Not anticipating a male Bowl. 302 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: Finally, the Senate Judiciary Committee going to hold a hearing 303 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: on Wednesday to focus on integrity of college sports and athletes. 304 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: Nil rights, nil of course standing for a name, image, 305 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: and likeness. 306 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: It's been in the news. 307 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: We haven't had a lot to talk about around that topic, 308 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: simply because the news has been so inundated with coronavirus 309 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: and pandemic stuff. 310 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: But this is a big deal. 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: This is a huge. 312 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: Red blinking light staring down the NCAA, staring down college 313 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: athletics as we know it. At some point we'll probably 314 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: put a show together and talk a lot more about 315 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: it with people who actually know the subject matter through 316 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: and through. But for the time being, this is definitely 317 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: going to get some prominence on the federal level. It 318 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 3: will not be the last that you hear of it, 319 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: as some states like Florida and California have already passed 320 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: legislation that would allow college athletes to profit off of 321 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: their likeness as early as next summer in some cases. 322 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: So keep your eyes on this subject. It is not 323 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: going away, and it's a big deal. 324 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: Ty. 325 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: I just have a few words for any student athlete 326 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: potentially trying to monetize his or her name, image, or likeness, 327 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: and that is stay away from our sweet, sweet bombus 328 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: sock cash. 329 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: Those are all ours, all hours, All the socks belong 330 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: to us. 331 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: Don't you touch it. Don't touch it. 332 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: That's all we got for news today. We'll be back 333 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: again next week and talk about anything that happens over 334 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: the weekend. If there is anything pertinent, please feel free 335 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: again to send it to us out there on email 336 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: soliverble at email dot com, or any one of the 337 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: social channels I mentioned at the top of the show. Okay, 338 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: So I did an interview while you were in transit 339 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: yesterday with our good friend Pete Sampson. As I said 340 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: at the top, he had just conducted an interview with 341 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: Brian Kelly. Really good interview with Brian Kelly covered a 342 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: lot of ground. It was good to catch up and 343 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: talk Notre Dame. How Notre Dame fits into this current 344 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 3: jigsaw puzzle we find ourselves in trying to understand how 345 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: college football may work this fall and beyond. 346 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: And you counted down all of your favorite Notre Dame 347 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: playoff touchdowns, right. 348 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: I did all of them. 349 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: Okay, oh, I can't wait. 350 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: All right, joining us now. 351 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: It's been a while since we talked to him, but 352 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: always a pleasure to welcome back Pete Sampson, the Notre 353 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: Dame beat writer for the Athletic. Back to the show, 354 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: mister Sampson, how you doing. 355 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, Like everyone else, just sort of hoping 356 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: and praying the college football actually happens. 357 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: What's your level of confidence that it does happen. 358 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: This fall? Really low? This fall? Yeah? Yeah, I think 359 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: that it's going to be a spring season. And you know, 360 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: I understand if you're a head coach that you're not 361 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: talking up that possibility. I mean, you may say, yeah, 362 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: we can make it work, but if you've got a 363 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: roster that's training and working out, I don't think your 364 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: first move is going to be like, yeah, guys, let's 365 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: keep working hard. So we played this game in March, 366 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: so you know, I get that, and I get if 367 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: you're an ad you're not pushing for it. But man, 368 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: it just you read sort of the Peak Family column 369 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: from earlier this week, and that's it just seems like 370 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: it once you get people to tell the truth, it 371 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: gets pretty dark pretty fast. 372 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: We've seen this very pessimistic shift in mindset over the 373 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. And you know, like just a 374 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: month ago, Dan and I were game planning how we 375 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: were going to do our conference previews this year, and 376 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 3: now I'm not sure if we're going to. 377 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: Do them at all. 378 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: I don't don't we don't know if it makes any 379 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: danse to do them. I know you talked to Brian 380 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: Kelly earlier today, and we'll get into that, I'm sure, 381 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: But I know you also talked to a lot of 382 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: folks around the Notre Dame program in college football, just 383 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 3: being at the athletic But like, are you detecting any 384 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: kind of optimistic swing in the other direction. 385 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it. And I think it's interesting because 386 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: if you look at Notre Dame, and Notre Dame's not 387 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: alone in this, but they've done about two hundred and 388 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: fifty COVID nineteen tests and they've had one positive. Like, 389 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: if that was this, if that was sort of the 390 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: normal everywhere, I think we'd have college football for sure. 391 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: But it's not. And that doesn't even get to students 392 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: getting it back on campus and what that's going to 393 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: look like. So I everyone that sort of talks to 394 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: you on background you feel that pessimism. There's a little 395 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: bit more optimism when people are on the record and 396 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: have their name attached to the quote. But I do 397 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: think that there's a movement. Brian Kelly, I touched on 398 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: this with him when I talked to him, is just 399 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: like season, how would it work? And he talked about 400 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: how in the ACC it's like Dave class and a 401 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: wake for us was somehow in charge of modeling what 402 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: a spring schedule was. 403 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: How did Dave Cossa get that job. 404 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean a pretty smart guy. I mean, 405 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: I guess I don't And Kelly was like, yeah, I 406 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: like it. I can see how this could work, you know. 407 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: I talked to Chuck Martin. He was at Notre Dame 408 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: a while ago. It was at Miami, Ohio now, and 409 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: he was he was just, I want to play in 410 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: the spring. It was almost like, I don't want to 411 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: play in the fall at all because things are so uncertain. 412 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: So I think it would definitely work. And I think 413 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: my sense is we're getting to the point where the 414 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: question is becoming less do you want to play in 415 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: the fall or do you want to play in the spring, 416 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: and more, do you want to play in the spring 417 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: or do you not want to play at all? In 418 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: that scenario, you know everyone's going to choose spring conferences. 419 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: Don't want to over commit and say that they are 420 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: going to play in the spring, because if they make 421 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: a commitment to playing in the spring and then there's 422 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: no season and they feel like maybe they left a 423 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: little meat on the bone. Like maybe they could have 424 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: gotten a few games in in the fall and instead 425 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: of pushing it off to spring so early, there there 426 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: was still a chance. I mean, like, how do you 427 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: feel about the spring season? You talk to a lot 428 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: of these guys, Dan and I we've been talking about 429 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: that possibility for months, and certainly from a fans perspective, 430 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: it's unique, it's interesting. It probably means a lot of 431 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: downloads for us, Like I want this to be conducted 432 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: responsibly and safely, mind you, but it's interesting. I haven't 433 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 3: read much of anyone, maybe outside of Lincoln Riley, and 434 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: you know, a couple anecdotal quotes here and there from 435 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: people who seem to be embracing the idea. Where where 436 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: do you come down on it? 437 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all would prefer the fall, right, 438 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: but I don't think that's a as realistic an option 439 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: as people want to make it out to be. You know, 440 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: the spring drawback is the drawbacks that are advertised by 441 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: people who don't want it, is you're going to have 442 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of players go pro I think that's just 443 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: a cost of doing business in a spring season. That's 444 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, you're making the best of a bad situation. 445 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: But I don't. I'm not in line at all with 446 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: this notion that, oh, the players can't play two seasons 447 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: in one calendar year, because I mean, we're talking about 448 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: what a nine to ten game schedule. Is there really 449 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: going to be two Duke's Male Bowls and one calendar year? 450 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: Probably not? Yeah. 451 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: And by the way, since when do the ones and 452 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 3: needs of the player really matter in the college. 453 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: Football There's that too, right, I mean, suddenly it's very important. Yeah. 454 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: I mean not to be overly skeptical here, but since 455 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: when is that a thing? 456 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I just think that the players want to play. 457 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: If you're playing twenty five games in a calendar year, 458 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you can do that. These guys ultimately 459 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: are going to go pro and play twenty games, twenty 460 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: four games in one fall. So to me, I feel 461 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: like it's realistic that you could play a two thirds 462 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: three quarter season in the spring in a full regular 463 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: season in the fall and not come. Ay, think in 464 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: ban we really grown those players into the ground. Especially 465 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got your early en rollies, you 466 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: maybe you get some relief on that in the spring 467 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: season where you're going to have seven eight extra players 468 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: on your roster. The n CAA gives you some leeway 469 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: on the eighty five man limbit. I just think there's 470 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of ways to work around it if that's 471 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: your only option. 472 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: I saw our friend Bruce Fellman wrote about the possibility 473 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: of guys sitting out of spring season for fear of 474 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: hurting their draft stock, and I know you've written about 475 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: it too. Now you use ian Book as an example, 476 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: which we could talk about that later, but it's a 477 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: valid point, and from the Notre Dame perspective, I know 478 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 3: there are a lot of guys, especially along the lines 479 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: where I think you discussed the potential issue for the Irish, 480 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: But how do you see it affecting a team like 481 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: Notre Dame. 482 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: You know, think it would be a negative most games, 483 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: but a positive in games against Clemson or USC if 484 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: you got to play that one. You know, the idea 485 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: of Ian Book not playing would be pretty devastating. Whether 486 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: you think he's a fifth round pick or a first 487 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: round pick or an undrafted free agent. But that has 488 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: more to do with what's not behind him. Would Leam 489 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: Mikenberg their left tackle, or Robert Haynesy the right tackle 490 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: not play? I don't know. That's that's kind of a 491 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: that's a question I would like to ask them, but 492 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think like not Rames roster as 493 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: it's currently engineered, is it does not have a lot 494 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: of high draft picks on it after this After this year, 495 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, if this was a year from now, woul 496 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton play, absolutely not. But he's got two years Togo. 497 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: So your Notre Dame is their names stuck with him? 498 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: Does he in book think he's higher than like a 499 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: fifth round pick. 500 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I I don't think. I think 501 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: that he does. That doesn't mean that he will be. 502 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: You know, It's like his decision to come back was 503 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: roughly forty eight hours after the bowl game last year. 504 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: So it's not a situation where I think that he 505 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: sweated it out and was waiting on draft feedback. I mean, 506 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: he's got to get a lot better. So he's one 507 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: of those guys where playing and showing that you've improved 508 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: as a quarterback I think would be worth significant dollars 509 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: to him to come back. 510 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: Shortly before we connected up, you did post a one 511 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: on one interview with Brian Kelly out on the Athletic 512 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: A really wide ranging interview. You covered a lot of ground, 513 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: from testing protocols to flex scheduling to this notion of 514 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: spring football, et cetera, et cetera. I'm most encouraged by 515 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: what seems like an upbeat tone there. Now you touched 516 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: on that a little bit. Was that palpable that upbeat tone? 517 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: Or was I reading a little too much into it? 518 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: Do you think it was real? Is it just because 519 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: his name was associated with these quotes like where what? 520 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Where's your BS meter? On? That? He is? He is 521 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: an optimist in PR terms in most of those media settings, 522 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: So I think you adjust the dial a little bit 523 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: on that. However, if they've done two hundred and fifty 524 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: tests and had one positive, I think they do the 525 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: next round. Their next round of results probably will come 526 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: out this weekend. If they're still sitting there at one 527 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: or two positives and they survived the July fourth weekend, 528 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: when players maybe are getting a little bit more loose, 529 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: I think they'll fill rocop it. Then you just got 530 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: to survive what happens when students come back, and you 531 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: know how Notre name manages that. I mean, overall, if 532 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: Notre Dame can't manage it, this I don't think anybody 533 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: can manage it because we're talking about a campus of 534 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: twelve thousand, not fifty thousand. I think as Notreame's administration 535 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: would help, likeme's doing spying by and large, with their 536 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: their Catholic up bringing, they follow the rules. So if they, 537 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: if Notreame cannot make this work, it's uh, we're in 538 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: dire streets. I think on a national level. 539 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 3: Were there any surprises for you in talking to Brian Kelly, 540 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: any of his answers surprise you. 541 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if anything really took me back. Just 542 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: based on having covered him for now going on eleven years, 543 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: I thought that he is one to put himself out there, 544 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: like I didn't think that he's necessarly going to tell 545 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: me about the acc Springs scheduling model. I sort of 546 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: floated the idea of Notarame playing Alabama somehow, and his 547 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: eyes got real big when I said that. But I 548 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: do think that, you know, his quote about our phones 549 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: ringing off the hook with scheduling was significant because that 550 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: was that was one of those storylines as soon as 551 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and Big ten one conference, only who's 552 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: gonna play? They're gonna get left out. I think they would. 553 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: They could find thirty teams to play them and not 554 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: break a sweat. So I don't think that that that 555 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: fear that a lot of interne fans had maybe a 556 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: week ago, is all that justified or has a whole 557 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of weight to it. 558 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: Well, that that was actually gonna be my next question. 559 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 3: So we're recording this, it's mid July. As of now, 560 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: the games against Wisconsin, Stanford, and USC have been canceled, 561 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: and it does seem like a bit of a foregone 562 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: conclusion that other conferences are going to go the same direction. 563 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: The internet has had a lot of fun with this, 564 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: right and you've seen the memes. I appreciate the what 565 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: is it the confused John travolt To meme around Notre 566 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: Dame and they're gonna be left out and the season 567 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: is going to be canceled for them and all that. 568 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: But you seem to indicate, and I'm with you, that 569 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: this is not at all grounded in reality. It's a 570 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: fun internet storyline. Ultimately, if they've got to fill out 571 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: a schedule, they're going to find a way to figure 572 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: out a schedule. 573 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end, for how much posturing there is 574 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: in college football, and we love that the dramatic effect 575 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: that the ads and coaches have. There's a lot of 576 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: money to be made off Notre Dame if you're playing them, 577 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: and right now, you really want to make that money. 578 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: So I just think that, you know, whether it's an 579 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: ACC or it's another SEC school, or maybe it's a 580 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: Big twelve school, they're going to find a way to 581 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: get Notre Dame in there, and because it just is 582 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: good for their bottom line. I think if Notre Dame 583 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: is if Notre Dame gets word from the ACC, is 584 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: that says, hey, we're going to give you Miami Florida 585 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: State and let's start Boston College in there for a 586 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: filled your COVID narrative story. Yeah, let's do it. Not name, 587 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: it's just going to be like, okay, cool, we'll take 588 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: those extra three. We've still got Arkansas, Navy, and Western Michigan. 589 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: That's our schedule. Let's let's make it work. So I 590 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: ain't going to names in a fine spot. But yeah, 591 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: it's when those Pack twelve and the Big ten start 592 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: pulling out like, oh, who are you going to play? 593 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: It's like, oh right, everyone wants to play Notre Dame. 594 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, is there like a target that they've got 595 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: in mind, like ten games and that that would be 596 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: okay financially, or is it six games just an acc schedule? 597 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 3: Is it as many as possible because this is football 598 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: and obviously, like, where have you heard any numbers like 599 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: that thrown out? 600 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: I believe the target's going to be something closer to ten. 601 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that they have any intention to play 602 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: twelve because whether it's conference only or they're mixing and matching, 603 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: the same principles apply that are working with the Big, 604 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: the Big ten, the PAC twelve is you want some flexibility, 605 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: I have to start and stop that the entire season 606 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: doesn't get wrecked by that. So I my hunches they're 607 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: shooting for about a ten game schedule based on people 608 00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: I've talked to. 609 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: One interesting angle that Dan and I have talked about 610 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: on the show is it would seemingly benefit a situation 611 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: like Notre Dame has, frankly, where you've got a lot 612 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: of veteran leadership, and I wonder if you've had a 613 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: chance to talk to Brian Kelly or anyone around the 614 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: program around how Notre Dame might come out of this 615 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: if they do end up playing any football. Do you 616 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: think there is any kind of tangible benefit just with 617 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 3: the way the roster is constructed, knowing they've got that leadership. 618 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there could be a lot worse situations than 619 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: the one Notre Dame is in. You got five starters 620 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: back on your offensive line, third year starting quarterback, defensive 621 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: coordinator in year three Reese Tommy Reese the new OC 622 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: but has been here for a while, knows the personnel. 623 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: You know on Brian Kelly the year eleven. It's I'm 624 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: sure there are some teams that have come out better 625 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: than this. Like I would prefer to be Clemson because 626 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: you'd have Trevor Lawrence. But maybe yeah, just I'm gonna 627 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: say definitely, ty Okay, I just think that if you're 628 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, you feel like, all right, we've got a 629 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: puncher's chance in this, Like we don't have a major 630 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: hurdle to overcome it. I mean, even the starters that 631 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: they're replacing on defense, there's a good chance they're going 632 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: to replace them with two grad transfers, one from Menci State, 633 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: one from Ohio State. So if you're plugging in new 634 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: starters who actually have started twenty thirty games, somewhere else. 635 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: That's not a bad place to be either. So I 636 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: think Notre Dame's roster is very, very old, and it's 637 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: coaching staff is stable. That would be good any season, 638 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: but particularly with this offseason. 639 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: Two the areas that I know I've looked at, just 640 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: in checking out the roster and the way it's constructed 641 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: and certainly reading smart people such as yourself. The secondary 642 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 3: is a bit of a concern. Kyle Hamilton can't play 643 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: all the positions, so that's top of mind, and also 644 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: the skill positions. They lose a lot at the receiving position. 645 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: A little bit of question around who's running the rock 646 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 3: this year. What does Reese do on offense that looks different, 647 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 3: if at all, from what we saw under chip Long. 648 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be all that different. 649 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: I do think Chip Loong's offense was a lot more 650 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: boom or bust like they and he was sort of 651 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: content to take stuffs, you know, get the read option stuff, 652 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: and it's Tony Jones for one yard, Jeff Armstrong for 653 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: two yards, and then it would be Brad Lindsay for 654 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: fifty yards on a jet sweep. So they're I think 655 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: they need to be a lot more consistent than that. 656 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: How Reese manages that, you know, does he do less 657 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: read option stuff or is it? Is it different? I'm 658 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: not really sure because we've only seen one game of it. 659 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: But you can have your line back and your quarterback back. 660 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: But I think they're running back talent is pretty low 661 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: compared to other playoff contenders, and they turn over basically 662 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: their entire receiver depth chart, so's there's a bit of 663 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: rebuilding on the outside. How that impacts how we judge 664 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: him Book, I don't know. I could see im Book 665 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: being an improved player, but the statistics taking a step 666 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: back because he's got receivers who have never really played before. 667 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 3: Did it surprise you that they decided to ultimately go 668 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 3: with Tommy Reese as offensive coordinator because there was a 669 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: lot of scuttle butt there, there were names thrown about. 670 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: Ultimately he was the guy. It felt a little bit 671 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 3: like they were afraid of losing him. What's your sense there, Pete. 672 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't that surprised about it. I'm not sure I 673 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: would describe the higher as like all that inspired. It 674 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: was kind of much more comfortable with Reese. I mean, 675 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: Kelly coached him he's been on staff for a couple 676 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: of years. The roster loves him, and I do think 677 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: he's going to prove to be a good higher. But 678 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: his personality is so different from Chip Long. I mean, 679 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: Chiplong was sort of Brian Kelly circa twenty eleven in 680 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: terms of the way he dealt with players. Reese is 681 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: a lot more even keel about it, and he has 682 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: no real experience calling plays other than the Camping World Bowl. 683 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: I think it was kind of one of those hires 684 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: where I don't know if the player. I would say 685 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: the players had a say in it, but the players 686 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: definitely would have voted for recently if they did. 687 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: As we wind this down here, Pete, let's circle back 688 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: to the top. Give me, on a scale of one 689 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 3: to ten, your level of confidence that we're going to 690 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: see more than six games. 691 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: In the fall, like three? Pretty low? 692 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And your level of optimism just personally around 693 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 3: going to Notre Dame Stadium maybe for a game in April. 694 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: I'll go seven and a half. It's a little warmer, right, Yeah. 695 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes I've covered spring games and blizzards before here. I 696 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: just think that the spring makes too much sense, and 697 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, I guess I sort of view it as 698 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: the national trend lines is Jack Swarbrick and Greg Sank 699 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: and all the commissioners they seem to be pointing out 700 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: now are like, are not good to give yourself another 701 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: six months to turn this around? I think guy, and 702 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: I've sort of said to other people, it's like, if 703 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: things aren't in a better spot six months from now 704 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: than they are today, Like whether college football is being 705 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: played or not, is maybe the least of our work. Yeah, 706 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: I mean we're all dead at that point. Yes, Like, 707 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: let's I'd be happy to cover Notre Dame Clemson on 708 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: April seventh or whatever day of the week that would be. 709 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: That would be fine, And I think you'd say, hey, 710 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: sign this piece of paper, you will be guaranteed a 711 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: spring football season. I would do it. Yeah. I think 712 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: the sport can manage it, and it would give us 713 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: something to look forward to. 714 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, you know, whatever happens, it will. It 715 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: will absolutely be fascinating and interesting to watch, not as 716 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: people who cover, but as people who watch the sport 717 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: and appreciate it as well. Come back soon, Pete. We 718 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 3: need to talk more about Notre Dame and obviously once 719 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: we get this whole scheduling thing figured out and know 720 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 3: if we're going to play football or not, we'll have 721 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 3: to talk more. But hope you're doing well out there 722 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: and we'll talk soon. 723 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, I appreciate it. All right, Dan again. 724 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 3: Pete Sampson the Athletic check him out. One of my 725 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 3: favorite Notre Dame be writers. There are many, yeah, there 726 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 3: are many, but Pete's been in front of the show 727 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: for a long time. Good catch up with him. The 728 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 3: most interesting thing that he said in that interview talk 729 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 3: about Brian Kelly and his media chops. 730 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: I tend to think optimism publicly is real. I don't 731 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 2: think people are sort of scripting what they're saying as 732 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 2: much as people think. I know a lot of people 733 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 2: are under the impression that college football coaches are full 734 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: of I don't know if we have families listening to this, 735 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: but full of crap kind of stuff. But I imagine 736 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 2: you have to be able to get to a point 737 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 2: as a college football coach where you're projecting positive energy 738 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 2: and optimism because so much of the secret sauce of 739 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: college football is culture and buy in, where I think 740 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 2: you have to rewire your brain to project that sort 741 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 2: of positivity even somebody who appears to be sort of 742 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 2: a downer, I guess like Nick Saban. Nick Saban might 743 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 2: sort of appear like a downer, but he has earned 744 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt with the results of both 745 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 2: his players individually and with team success that there is 746 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: a certain amount of positivity just wrapped up in the 747 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 2: Alabama program. And even if Nick Saban specifically isn't coming 748 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: off as warm and cheery, I think he rubs his 749 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 2: players in a pretty positive way. And that's unfortunate framing 750 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 2: and praising as I just hear myself say it out loud, 751 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 2: But no, that's all a long winded way of saying 752 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: I think on a very real level, it's genuine. 753 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's why I asked him about it. I thought 754 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 3: it was an interesting tidbit that I took away from 755 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 3: his interview going out to the athletic and read it. 756 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 2: Is that a dog barking? 757 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 3: I hear he's a dog barking in the background. 758 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: Is she happy? Is she hungry? What does she she's 759 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: angry about? 760 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: She's angry that neither Kate nor I are downstairs with 761 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 3: her at the moment. 762 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: Bitches be wanting attention ty. 763 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 764 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: I've always been saying that I have some sweet potatoes 765 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: to take out of the oven myself, so we can 766 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 2: we can wrap this up if you'd like. 767 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: Let's wrap this up. 768 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: I gotta go see what's going on downstairs. 769 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 770 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 3: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, 771 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 3: for myself, Tie Hildebrand. Big thanks to our guest of 772 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 3: honor today, our good friend Pete Sampson from the Athletic. 773 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: We'll be back in about a week. Hope everyone enjoys 774 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 3: their weekends. Stay safe, stay solid in the meantime. 775 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: No wait, I screwed that up. 776 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 2: I screwed up my own outroup. Now I'll just leave 777 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 2: this in here. 778 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: Peace.