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Speaker 1: but our about that is the new fight. I think, unbelievably,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. My reporting backs it up that that's

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Speaker 1: like whether it's Frank Rizzo or whether it's Joe Pah,

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Speaker 1: I just I wonder, and unfortunately we're going to find out.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, uh if it's a different time in terms

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Speaker 1: to give you the final word that uh, Kevin, that's

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Speaker 1: a great perspective. That is the right question to ask.

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Speaker 1: The answer is unknown. The one thing I can just

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Speaker 1: What we to do or not do, is to move

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Speaker 1: bow in places where it didn't work. It shouldn't it

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Speaker 1: been that we never go that way again. Adam Goodman,

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Speaker 1: and partner and Ballard Partners in Washington, always offering fascinating

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Speaker 1: historical insights. Incredibly incredibly grateful and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this. The one thing I

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Speaker 1: something just to bring our country together. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: I mean I brought up Penn State. I'll never forget

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Speaker 1: All right, let's ree set. I'm Kevin Sili, Chief Washington

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Speaker 1: correspondent from Boomberg TV and from Bloomberg Radio. I also

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Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to maroufal Hossain, who

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Speaker 1: been working with tirelessly behind the scenes, UH to help

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Speaker 1: appreciative for all of that. Okay, let's get to Max Burns.

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Speaker 1: He's a democratic strategist. He's joining us on the line. Max. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you just heard from Adam Goodman. I mean, what what

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Speaker 1: do democratic lawmakers need to do tonight? Uh to help

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Speaker 1: perspective on civil rights. I think we need to start

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Speaker 1: planning for tackling this in a series bipartisan way without

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Speaker 1: We've all understood now that Donald Trump is not going

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Speaker 1: get ready to lead with them. It's just a lot

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Speaker 1: in terms of the structural changes, we talk a lot

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Speaker 1: economic stimulus. Absolutely, and I think we see that. All right.

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Speaker 1: which was not even on Americans radars. Criminal justice reform

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Speaker 1: And what doesn't take place in Congress has to take

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Speaker 1: All Right, what are you gonna be looking for tonight? Well,

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Speaker 1: as a New Yorker, you know, it's a tough time

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to predict how anyone will respond to this.

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Speaker 1: It's a situation most of us have never seen in

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Speaker 1: our lives. It really is fascinating, all right, Max Burns,

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