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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. It's the middle of September

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Speaker 1: and you find yourself in the elk woods. You've got

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Speaker 1: a full week off work to chase bulls around. The

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Speaker 1: area you're hunting is a little bit thicker, but unfortunately

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Speaker 1: the elker not making a peep, no bugles to be heard.

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Speaker 1: You know the bulls are there, but you just can't

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Speaker 1: get them to respond. What do you do? Are these

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Speaker 1: elks so callable? The answers yes, And I want to

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Speaker 1: go through this week on the effective ways to call

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Speaker 1: to silent bulls, everything from picking a spot through targeting

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Speaker 1: loaner elk, as well as the calls to make and

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Speaker 1: the tools that will help you accomplish the illusion of

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Speaker 1: a herd of cows that will get a loan bull

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Speaker 1: to come in and investigate. Now, when I started guiding

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Speaker 1: elk hunters, one of the things that I found was

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Speaker 1: you really had to call in elk every week, whether

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Speaker 1: the helk wanted to cooperate or not, and sometimes that

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Speaker 1: felt impossible. There were weeks where you would bugle and

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Speaker 1: bugle and bugle and nothing would respond. Now that could

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Speaker 1: be because you're hunting too early and the rut hasn't

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Speaker 1: kicked off yet, or it could just be that the

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Speaker 1: area you're hunting has had a lot of pressure, or

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Speaker 1: the bulls are just quiet, or maybe you're running later

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Speaker 1: after the rut. So I started to really investigate this

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Speaker 1: and try a lot of different tactics, and I found

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Speaker 1: one that became extremely successful for hauling in elk when

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Speaker 1: nothing wanted to make a sound. Started really when I

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Speaker 1: was guiding down in New Mexico. The area I was

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Speaker 1: hunting was pretty thick. There wasn't a lot of glassing,

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Speaker 1: and there really wasn't a lot of spots to cover.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of private land and smaller parcels.

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Speaker 1: So I had to figure out ways to draw the

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Speaker 1: elk to where we were because we couldn't just bash

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Speaker 1: especially when they weren't making noise. I kind of developed

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Speaker 1: this tactic of calling to those loan bulls, those bulls

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Speaker 1: that are cruising for cows. Those are also the bulls

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Speaker 1: that are least likely to bugle back. He may not

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Speaker 1: have his a harem of cows, he's just cruising. What

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Speaker 1: he's looking for is a group of elk that's already there.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to figure out ways to target those elk,

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Speaker 1: those bulls that are just cruising for ladies. And the

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Speaker 1: way to do that is through setting up an illusion

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Speaker 1: of creating a herd of cows. One story that really

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Speaker 1: stands out in my mind. I was guiding in New

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Speaker 1: Mexico and I had one of those weeks that just

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Speaker 1: nothing seemed to be going right. I could tell that

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Speaker 1: bulls were hitting this meadow in the dark, but nothing

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Speaker 1: daylight hours. I could also tell that the elk we're

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Speaker 1: using this particular wallow. I decided, Okay, the elk are

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Speaker 1: coming from the timbered area to the west, and this

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Speaker 1: wallows right on the edge of the timber and then

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Speaker 1: it enters into a feeding area. I get to see

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Speaker 1: one in daylight hours. But I thought, why don't I

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Speaker 1: create an illusion that there's a herd of elk cows

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Speaker 1: wallow first, he'll get mudded up, he'll get sent it up,

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Speaker 1: and then come in hot trying to impress the gals.

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Speaker 1: So I put him up in a tree stand that

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Speaker 1: I set up over the wallow, because I figured, well,

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Speaker 1: even in while I'm calling, he can have a better

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Speaker 1: elk that's cruising to wallow or even drink because it

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Speaker 1: was fairly hot as well. And then I would go

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Speaker 1: I started in the morning hitting a few cow calls,

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Speaker 1: and I had a whole slew of different cow calls,

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Speaker 1: everything from diaphragm calls to open read calls, as well

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Speaker 1: as some of those squeeze button calls might even have

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Speaker 1: they call it something like that in my pockets because

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Speaker 1: I give him my bugles just to make sure there's

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Speaker 1: I rarely do. I started dozing off in between sets

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Speaker 1: am not good at sitting there just being patient and calling.

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Speaker 1: Take a little nap, and in between falling asleep, I

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Speaker 1: That just kept me from overcalling. Really, so I'm in

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Speaker 1: like man, there's definitely not going to be any elk right, now,

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Speaker 1: but there's really nothing else we can do, so I'll

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Speaker 1: just keep calling. I opened my eyes just slightly. I

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Speaker 1: look off. As I opened my eyes, there is an

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Speaker 1: I could just literally reach my right arm out and

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Speaker 1: the trouble is, I've never had this happen, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm worried that he's gonna freak out and start stomping

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Speaker 1: so I'm just squinting and partially freaking out, thinking that

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Speaker 1: At this point, I'm literally just praying this thing does

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Speaker 1: the wind, set up again, continue to call. This time

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Speaker 1: he actually kind of button hooks around, just out of

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Speaker 1: circles around, catches our wind and blows out. Now, while

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Speaker 1: we did not get that bull, it taught me two

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Speaker 1: really good lessons, one in patience and one and the

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Speaker 1: fact that those elk no exactly where you're calling from,

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Speaker 1: and that is going to play huge into the way

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Speaker 1: that I set up my calling sequences for loan bulls.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be successful calling to bulls that

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Speaker 1: You really have to understand the type of bull you're

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Speaker 1: to be a patience game and you aren't gonna get

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Speaker 1: any verbal cues that that bull is going to come

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Speaker 1: in because the bowl that you're calling to is going

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Speaker 1: to be a solitary bull. Now you might think of

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Speaker 1: might be in between herds. That doesn't mean that it

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Speaker 1: couldn't be a big bull. It's just a bull that's

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Speaker 1: by himself. So the time of year is going to

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Speaker 1: be a factor. But also you really have to know

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Speaker 1: what that bowl wants that you're calling to. The reason

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Speaker 1: that he's not calling back is probably because he might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit afraid that another bull will just

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Speaker 1: round up his cows run him off or fight him off.

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Speaker 1: What he wants to do is he wants to come

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Speaker 1: in silent and investigate first. And that is actually the

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Speaker 1: majority of the elk out there. It's not because that

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Speaker 1: that's what that elk is doing if other elk are

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Speaker 1: in his area. There's a lot of ways to pinpoint

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Speaker 1: these loan bulls, and there's a few places that you

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Speaker 1: can start your focus on. Let's say it's just been

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Speaker 1: a hard week of hunting, the elk are not making noise. Okay,

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Speaker 1: where are we going to start, Well, let's pick a time.

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Speaker 1: Are you hunting a little bit earlier in the season.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that maybe they're really the peak rut

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Speaker 1: be the peak rut. Maybe they're just really hooping it

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Speaker 1: hours they're making a noise. Let's start with early. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are some places that bulls will go by themselves.

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Speaker 1: One of them is wallows. Now in areas where a

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Speaker 1: lot of water, yeah, you might be able to sit

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Speaker 1: a wallow, but he may not hit that wallow when

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Speaker 1: you want, because you gotta understand what is a wallow well.

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Speaker 1: A wallow is essentially a perfume factory for a bull

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Speaker 1: elk during the rut. What they do is they urinate

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Speaker 1: in that water, They roll around in the mud that

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Speaker 1: holds their scent on them. It's a way that they

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Speaker 1: mark their territory, mark their bodies, create a aroma that

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Speaker 1: when they run into that herd, they look beefed up,

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Speaker 1: they smell good, and they're going to take those ladies.

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Speaker 1: But that's also an easy to target elk with this

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Speaker 1: kind of strategy because he is ready to be entertained

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Speaker 1: by your fake harem and got it. Another scenario is

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Speaker 1: an area where you're seeing a lot of elk signed

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Speaker 1: maybe around the edge of a feeding area. If you're

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Speaker 1: hunting more timbered country, these open pockets, these open meadows

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Speaker 1: are probably going to be the spots that the elk

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Speaker 1: are goom be coming out at night. But if you

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Speaker 1: aren't seeing there in the middle of the day, they're

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Speaker 1: off in the timber. However, if you create the illusion

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Speaker 1: that the elk are out there now, like I did

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Speaker 1: on that New Mexico hunt, you have a higher likelihood

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Speaker 1: of drawing a bull that's hanging out in the timber

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Speaker 1: out to investigate. These are curious elk that you're calling to,

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Speaker 1: and they want to slip in assess the situation, possibly

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Speaker 1: little to no confrontation. Now, it's not as fun as

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Speaker 1: getting riled up bulls and bugling until your heart is content.

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