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Speaker 2: and today we have a very special guest in studio.

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Speaker 2: You've heard him on the Athletics Blazers podcast from the

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Speaker 2: Rose Garden. You've heard him on the NBA Daily Ding.

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Speaker 2: You've heard him on Basketball Buds, You've heard him on Nurder.

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Speaker 5: She wrote.

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Speaker 2: You may have seen him as an indie wrestler once

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Speaker 2: upon a time. Is Dave Defour Dave? What's going man?

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Speaker 3: Great to be here. It's going well? Be cold? Why

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Speaker 3: is it cold in Atlanta?

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Speaker 2: Well? Why are you in Atlanta?

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Speaker 3: Is passing through? So I'm driving from home from Thanksgiving? Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've got my dog and you know.

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Speaker 2: And homemade San Antonio.

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Speaker 3: You were in Raleigh?

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Speaker 2: And so you were coming through Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was actually supposed to be at that

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Speaker 3: I should just take it easy. What a bummer.

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Speaker 2: Wow, things have changed in your life. You were an

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Speaker 2: indie wrestler getting getting pile drived and power bombed into

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Speaker 3: Father Time is undefeated, right.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a blast to have you in studio here.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about all the games last night

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Speaker 5: It was. It was so difficult, Dave. It was like

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Speaker 2: Yes, we were dunking on tasks. That was his payoff

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Speaker 5: What you guys were nice. You guys were gentle.

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Speaker 2: Trey was throwing his way around a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Was a little updown fun the updown report. First one.

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Speaker 4: The defense has been good for so long under Queen Snaughty.

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Speaker 1: But the crazy thing to me, though, is that their

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Speaker 1: It's just that other defenses have been better and Conley

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Speaker 5: Isn't that where Joe Ingles should come back and he's

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Speaker 5: That's been a big change. You put him on the bench.

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Speaker 5: He is a guy who can create. He's a guy

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Speaker 4: He not to give him a pass, but he looked

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Speaker 2: A busy summer.

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Speaker 4: He's had a very busy summer. And last night he

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Speaker 4: looks he just looks right now that he needs a break.

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Speaker 4: That's what it looks like to me. He's not shooting

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Speaker 5: The worrisome part is maybe Joe Ingles is dropping off

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Speaker 5: look at Mike Conley and we are worrying the same

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Speaker 5: so you gotta give him a little bit slack. But Jingles, baby,

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Speaker 5: where are you? I know you're slow Mojo, but you're

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Speaker 1: Who are you starting him for?

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Speaker 1: The bloom is off the road with Royce O'Neil. It

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Speaker 3: I understand the idea of bringing Ingles off the bench

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Speaker 3: is that playmaker, stabilizer guy. But the truth is, you

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Speaker 3: heard of the Utah Jazz and you have this struggling offense,

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Speaker 3: and it's better to have four playmakers out there at

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Speaker 3: once than three. I think he could add another dynamic.

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Speaker 3: We know he can shoot, and maybe it takes some

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Speaker 3: so tired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the bench struggles if he comes into

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Speaker 5: the starting lineup hundred percent, that's a big, big time

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Speaker 5: worry if Joeingles is in the starting lineup, But their

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Speaker 5: starting lineup is the bigger worry to me right now,

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Speaker 5: So let's try and fix that. But I don't know

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Speaker 5: Joe has been He's played basically in every game of

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Speaker 5: the last five seasons, and maybe Lison is something that

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Speaker 4: Well, honestly though that that game, those games against KINDAA,

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Speaker 4: he just looked like he was exhausted and.

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Speaker 1: So but is he just tired like you because he's

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Speaker 1: old Potley, he hates having to stay up for the

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Speaker 1: late West Coast games and he plays on the West

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Speaker 1: Coast really sucks.

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Speaker 4: I think I think he's got twins like you know.

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Speaker 3: Well, for thirty two was typically when we watch guys

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Speaker 3: start to drop off, and I think we've just been

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Speaker 3: I mean Dwayne Wade, Yeah, he started to drop off,

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Speaker 3: do start to see the decline. And maybe this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were trying to hit the three to you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't know sure.

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Speaker 2: One note about the Sixers fans too, Did you guys

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Speaker 2: He looks straight up gas. But Tobias was their closer

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Speaker 3: I just wish people could be happy with the fantastic

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Speaker 5: It is strange to watch their offense though, because you

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Speaker 5: then they just they grit out these wins and Tobias

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Speaker 4: Though he did, he often does. I think you know,

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Speaker 2: Sixers ten and zero at home, and Horford had a

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Speaker 2: all right, Keep on moving here, though, guys. The Bucks

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Speaker 1: It was a rough night in.

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Speaker 2: the Knicks. Giannis he needed fourteen minutes to record another

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Speaker 2: Both times guys rocking those controversial Cream City jerseys. But

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be down on that. And the jerseys

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Speaker 2: But they're not really being talked about all that much.

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Speaker 3: I think it's because we saw it all last year.

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Speaker 4: Was that one play where Yiannis just kind of goes

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Speaker 2: going around comparing it to Michael Jordan in Space Jam

436
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Speaker 2: with the arm extending. I mean, it looks pretty similar.

437
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Speaker 3: He was outside of the restricted circle, yeah, and reached

438
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Speaker 3: and dunk powerfully. Yes, like powerfully.

439
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 2: That's the crazy perd to me. He doesn't just like

440
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,640
Speaker 2: lay it in or just dink it over the rim,

441
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 2: you know. He like hammers it home from so far away.

442
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Speaker 5: And he hit three threes last night stepping into always

443
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Speaker 5: above the break, always from the top of the key, yep.

444
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 5: Never never in the corner. No, that's where he does it.

445
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Speaker 1: You can maybe shoot a layup from the corner, flip

446
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,199
Speaker 1: it up in there. But uh, the last few wins

447
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,280
Speaker 1: for the Bucks have been Bolls, Hawks, Blazers, Pistons, Jazz, Hawks, Cavaliers, Hornets, Nicks. Luckily,

448
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,360
Speaker 1: Friday we got a good one. The Clippers come to Milwaukee.

449
00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 1: Both teams will be rested, neither team has a back

450
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Speaker 1: to back the next night. Everybody should be playing. So

451
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,120
Speaker 1: that's a tasty one right there on Friday night.

452
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Speaker 3: You got to win the games there in front of you.

453
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Speaker 3: This is what good teams do. They beat the garbage opponents.

454
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Speaker 3: And this is why it's the only way to get

455
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Speaker 3: to these sixty wins. And this is why when good

456
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Speaker 3: teams lose the bad teams, we should be maybe a

457
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Speaker 3: little bit more concerned, but dominating, you know, bad teams

458
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Speaker 3: is what good team are supposed to do. So you know,

459
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 3: you know, it's like the Lakers have started seventeen and

460
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Speaker 3: three good. Yeah, yes, their schedule has been easy, but

461
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 3: they've beaten every good team or every bad team.

462
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Speaker 2: And this is especially good, these these forty point blowout

463
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Speaker 2: wins for the Bucks because earlier in the season we

464
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Speaker 2: had talked about it. They were they were beating these

465
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Speaker 2: bad teams, but they would give up these massive leads,

466
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Speaker 2: they'd get up the twenty five and then suddenly it'd

467
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Speaker 2: be like a two possession game and you're like, oh now,

468
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 2: they're just like, all right, we're just going to put

469
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Speaker 2: you away. And this is their load management with the

470
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Speaker 2: honest this is my favorite part this this last year

471
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Speaker 2: as well. It's not really him taking off games. It's

472
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Speaker 2: let's just destroy teams so he doesn't have to play,

473
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Speaker 2: you know, for fifteen minutes here.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen Warriors

475
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Speaker 3: strategy by Steph Curry.

476
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Speaker 5: That's right.

477
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Speaker 3: If you only have to play three quarters, that's great.

478
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they can suggest it to him to take games off,

479
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,360
Speaker 5: but he's not doing it. No, And just to note

480
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Speaker 5: that nobody necessarily cares about, but I love the bros

481
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Speaker 5: thing going on on their team. As you mentioned Dave

482
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Speaker 5: Robin Lopez, he's got the best three point percent any

483
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Speaker 5: of the big men, better than better than Brooks. Know

484
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Speaker 5: about that. Yeah, he's sipping that tea and bro Thanasi

485
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 5: said that to Kupo came off the bench for a

486
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 5: career high for ten points yesterday. Bros. Are having some

487
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 5: fun and just back to the creams for a second.

488
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 5: I know we all have our our minds in the

489
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Speaker 5: cream gutter a little bit and we can't stop talking

490
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Speaker 5: about it. But the Jerseys look awesome and they've gone

491
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Speaker 5: to the I'm showing the guys now. Oh yeah, the

492
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Speaker 5: creams from a couple of years ago. It just doesn't

493
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Speaker 5: say cream city, Aren't that right? But they always look good.

494
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Speaker 5: I don't know. The beige on the floor really nice.

495
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 5: It's something about the lighting too, and in the fiser

496
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Speaker 5: of arena, it's just it's perfect.

497
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Speaker 1: I like their cream better than Philadelphia's cream, which you know,

498
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Speaker 1: there's this cream cheese fair enough, but uh, I think

499
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Speaker 1: they're they're they're shade of cream. Is that a thing?

500
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Speaker 1: The shade of cream is more attractive than Philly's on there,

501
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Speaker 1: Like script uniforms.

502
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Speaker 2: I would agree with that, all right, next time, guys.

503
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: Crazy game between the Suns and the Hornets last night.

504
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: After blowing a twenty point lead, Kelly oubre Junior made

505
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Speaker 2: his last two threes, both coming in the final fifty

506
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Speaker 2: five seconds as Phoenix overcame a seven point deficit in

507
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Speaker 2: the final minute to beat Charlotte one O nine, one

508
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: O four. This was a wild, wild ending. Kelly Hubra

509
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: finished with twenty three points on the night, bumping his

510
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 2: season average up guys to around eighteen points per game,

511
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 2: got six boards in there, nearly a steal and a half,

512
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Speaker 2: shooting splits forty six thirty four eighty. Are you guys

513
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Speaker 2: up or down on Kelly Ubred Junior most improved chances

514
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Speaker 2: at least being at the small table for the conversation of.

515
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Speaker 4: Most improved table?

516
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Speaker 3: Too?

517
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Speaker 2: Well, there's an MVP table, there's a most improved table,

518
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Speaker 2: there's a rookie table. But is Kelly Ubrade.

519
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Speaker 4: He's at the small table of the most improved big table?

520
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 4: Is that right?

521
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Speaker 2: No, I'm asking the main most improved table. Well, and

522
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Speaker 2: there's six people at the table.

523
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go down because it's a pretty healthy table

524
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Speaker 4: this year. There's a lot of other guys out there

525
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Speaker 4: who I think is standing out more. But I will

526
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Speaker 4: say I think Kelly u Bray is really thriving in Phoenix,

527
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Speaker 4: and I think largely because they involve him in the offense.

528
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 4: In Washington had always felt like going back to Ruby

529
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Speaker 4: in Washington, had always felt like he had to feed

530
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Speaker 4: off the scraps. Whatever Beil and Wall didn't want he

531
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: could get and Washington didn't really know how to use it.

532
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: I mean, they gave him a wife for Trevor Reza.

533
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Speaker 4: And you look at a guy now who's in a

534
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Speaker 4: team that's struggling, that needs someone who can spread the floor,

535
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 4: shoot the three pointer, and defend, and he's doing really well.

536
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 4: So he's he's having a fantastic season. But no, I

537
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Speaker 4: don't think he's gonna win Most Improved because there's just

538
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Speaker 4: too many other really good guys standing out, like.

539
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Speaker 1: For instance, Frank Kaminski in the nex for Most Improved.

540
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: You see that five point possession.

541
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Speaker 3: I think this speaks to the importance of role and

542
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: a guy finding the right role because coaching staff changed,

543
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: obviously roster changed quite a bit, but he did this

544
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Speaker 3: after he came over from Washington last year. His numbers

545
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: this season are almost identical to what he was putting up.

546
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Speaker 3: He's rebounding a little bit better, shooting better. This is

547
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Speaker 3: the best shooting scene.

548
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little more efficient, but you're you're not wrong.

549
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: And he played forty games I forgot for Freedoms last year.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that this might be who he

551
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Speaker 3: is for right now. I mean, maybe he could be

552
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Speaker 3: a twenty point a game guy. I'd love to see

553
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: his shooting, his three point shooting improve more, but you know,

554
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Speaker 3: he's still young. I think he's got room for growth.

555
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Speaker 3: Most Improved, I'm not sure. I mean, there's a lot

556
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Speaker 3: of guys vying for that improved, and I think that

557
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Speaker 3: when so many, you know, so many of this is

558
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Speaker 3: about the voters, and they're gonna look at last year's

559
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Speaker 3: stats when he got to Phoenix, and they're going to

560
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Speaker 3: look at this year's and they say, well, these are

561
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Speaker 3: very similar. Yeah, not a lot of growth. But the

562
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Speaker 3: truth is you have to look at that that trade

563
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Speaker 3: and this year as like this year instead instead of

564
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Speaker 3: just saying, well, you know, seventeen eighteen same. No, So

565
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Speaker 3: maybe I think he's in that, you know, top ten

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Speaker 3: of most improved.

567
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Speaker 5: For sure, it's cool to see a guy who's labeled

568
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Speaker 5: as a three and D guy really thrive because a

569
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Speaker 5: lot of the times that people will get assigned this

570
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Speaker 5: label because they're not necessarily great at one or the

571
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Speaker 5: other of those things, so you put two labels on

572
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Speaker 5: them and that's better than being mediocre at one label.

573
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Speaker 5: It's like Terence Ferguson is trying to do that in

574
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Speaker 5: ok see, auto porter hasn't been able to find it,

575
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 5: like Stanley Johnson, Reggie Book. There's lots of guys get

576
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 5: that label and just can't thrive. Kelly Ubray's doing it.

577
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 5: You know, he's shutting down guys. He's lawys really really

578
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 5: long on the defensive end. And yeah, shooting his best percentage.

579
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 5: So good for him. He's improved. He has improved. But

580
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: the names are like Siakam, Doncicch obviously, you know you

581
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: got to throw Shay Gil just Alexander up and down.

582
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Speaker 5: There's too many.

583
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Speaker 2: Guys, right, So I would agree with you. You said the

584
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Speaker 2: three and D. I mean he Kelly, like last night,

585
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Speaker 2: that's exactly what he did to help them win this game.

586
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Speaker 2: Three and D. He hit the threes like I said,

587
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Speaker 2: And then he had a couple of defensive possessions because

588
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: the Hornets they were setting up for a potential winning shot.

589
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: When you know on a PJ. Washington's sort of hand off,

590
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: Kelly Houbrady, he was swiped at that ball, got it

591
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Speaker 2: out clean and then went off his leg and that

592
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: was going the other way. Rubio hit two free throws.

593
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Speaker 2: Hornets still have a chance to hit a three to

594
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Speaker 2: tie the game. Kelly Ubray Junior is the one on

595
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Devonte Graham, and DeVante is going nowhere on him. Has

596
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: to chuck up like a dream three and air bowls badly.

597
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: So he's doing literally the three. Indeed calls that game.

598
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Speaker 3: I'm way more impressed by his defense this year than

599
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Speaker 3: the offense. I mean, he's been fantastic. I think he'll

600
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Speaker 3: probably get some All NBA Defense team Wow buzz. He's

601
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Speaker 3: been really really good and it doesn't show up necessarily

602
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: in you know, steals and blocks, but yeah, he's been

603
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Speaker 3: the key I think to their perimeter defense and Monty Williams.

604
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Speaker 3: This is something that I think when we start talking

605
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Speaker 3: Coach of the Year that we're going to bring up,

606
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Speaker 3: is how drastically different that defense looks.

607
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And I saw we had a tweet

608
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: come into us last night, So yeah, he's His MIP

609
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: chance is very low. But I liked this tweet from

610
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: at Patrick mckins too. If Most Improved had a first

611
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Speaker 2: and second team like they do for rookies, which he

612
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Speaker 2: asked which players would be on it. Now we don't

613
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Speaker 2: have to go through the player, but I think Kelly

614
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Speaker 2: Ray might have a better chance to second Team Improved,

615
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Speaker 2: Second Team Most Improved. Well, we need four awards, Yes,

616
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Speaker 2: we need content day.

617
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Speaker 3: I think we need player of the Day instead of

618
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Speaker 3: just player of the wow.

619
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, speaking of that. On Monday, the named Carmelo

620
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Speaker 2: Anthony It's Western Conference Player of.

621
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Speaker 3: The Week, Mellow Mello.

622
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: The Blazers went three and zero, beating the Bulls twice

623
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: as well as the thunder Stop. Laughingly, Mello led those efforts,

624
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: averaging twenty two point three points, seven point seven boards,

625
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: two point seven assists. But guys like James Harden. James

626
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: Harden scored ninety four points in two wins during the week.

627
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic averaged thirty nine to nine as the MAVs

628
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: won two in one. Guys are up or down on

629
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Speaker 2: Mello being named the Western Conference Player of the week.

630
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Speaker 3: They would, I'm way up. You're all the way up,

631
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Speaker 3: all the way up. I think, I mean, it's fun.

632
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Who cares? No one has ever cared about The Hawks

633
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: were like playing didn't have their whole.

634
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Speaker 2: Player of the month.

635
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it was a great month.

636
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean anything, and it's a great story.

637
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, and obviously I watch a

638
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: lot of Portland games, some all of them, and uh,

639
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 3: Mellow has been perfect in his role. And if you

640
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: look and you look at his number, seventeen point seven points,

641
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: six rebounds, shooting thirty seven percent from three, about fifty

642
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: percent on twos, moving the ball like Olympic Mellow, he

643
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: is doing exactly all of the things that everyone said

644
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: he needed to do to be able to come back

645
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: and stick. I don't know that that it could go

646
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: any better than it is, right, So yeah, why not?

647
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: It's great He's now won it nineteen times. I didn't

648
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: even know Player of the Week was a thing still

649
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to ask you how many times?

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Speaker 2: Is how many times? Without looking? Hopefully you didn't how

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Speaker 2: many times with James.

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Speaker 4: Harden one Player of the Week twelve fourteen.

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00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Twenty four times?

655
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but more than Mellow?

656
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, more than Mellow.

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00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: But this is the first time for Mellow since twenty fourteen.

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00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: That's right, This is a long gap March twenty fourteen,

659
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Speaker 2: when Mellow was with the Knicks the last time he

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Speaker 2: won player. So do you do you agree with David?

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Speaker 4: I'm Dawn, I'm don This is awful, man, This is awful.

662
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 5: For the league.

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Speaker 4: It's awful for Melow. I mean, who won Player for

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Speaker 4: the Wake last week. Yes, well, but he knows what

665
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: the thing is, you know, Carol Anthony.

666
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: It's a story for like an hour or two.

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Speaker 4: People get outraged over the whar boy. Yeah so, and

668
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: that's that's our little your little thing, that's my thing.

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Speaker 2: I decided that guy had a good fantasy.

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Speaker 4: When you come mellow Anthony wins Player of the week,

671
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: people just lose their mind, as if it means anything.

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Speaker 4: I remember once Jerry Sloan was awarded Coach of the month.

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Speaker 4: Sure and someone said yeah. They said to him after

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Speaker 4: the game, you know you're happy one coach of the month.

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Speaker 4: And he said, what's that? They said, you know, best record?

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Speaker 5: I do forget for like twenty nine days that there's

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Speaker 5: a coach of the month. Yeah, I got real. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: Nick Nursey November, yeah forever.

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Speaker 4: But there's East and West though one Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: so you coach a month?

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Speaker 1: Is there a trophy?

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Speaker 3: Think just like a certific should pass around one trophy?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, it gets delivered.

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Speaker 1: Get to scratch a little your name on it.

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Speaker 5: Mind.

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Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of that, I saw a ghost fai

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Speaker 2: Zilla write in this morning. Does anyone actually know how

688
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Speaker 2: Player of the Week is decided? How is it decided?

689
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: Is it? Adam Silver just.

690
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: Says they just draw names out of a hat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I imagine it's just stats on wins stats.

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Speaker 2: I understand. Yeah, but who does somebody is doing my

693
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Speaker 2: job of woll boy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope, I hope it's a social media in turn.

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Speaker 3: How someone?

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Speaker 1: I think it might be he's like Mello got a

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Speaker 1: lot of retweets this week, any woe boys?

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Speaker 2: Has he had a boy? No, definitely not. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's because he's been solid, like Daved saying, but he

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Speaker 2: hasn't had like crazy crazy lines. He had twenty five,

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Speaker 2: twenty five and eight in the one game is the

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Speaker 2: Bulls he had twenty three and eleven in the other.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't that the same night that Harden scored sixties?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: I did see it. May have been Mark Spear saying

707
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Speaker 2: it's pretty rare. Maybe it's never happened for a player

708
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Speaker 2: to win Player of the Week only having played two games.

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00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, then that's the one.

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Speaker 5: Knock try and try and research that, I mean, I

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Speaker 5: mean yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Listen three wins is more than two wins. And Adams,

713
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Speaker 3: you know, you can freaking move but we can talk

714
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: about the points. But you you know those wins matter,

715
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Speaker 3: they do, all right.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait tonight He'll be playing up against Paul

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Speaker 5: George nationally televised game Friday. It's a battle of banana

718
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Speaker 5: boats going up against the Lakers this week rather than

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Speaker 5: the Stago. Okay, see, week is gonna be fun to

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Speaker 5: watch while you're saying mellow, going up against a revenge

721
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Speaker 5: game all three weeks, all three games this week.

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Speaker 1: The Bulls a team he will always be connected with

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Speaker 1: for those ten days he was signed in just around

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Speaker 1: and of course his legendary time and okay, see, let's

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Speaker 1: see if he can do it against a team that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have some immense history against it.

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Speaker 5: That is the test tonight, That is the test.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you're close twenty two percent. Twenty two percent was

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Speaker 2: I believe the fans score, and it had a zero

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Speaker 2: percent like the Tomato meter or whatever?

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Speaker 3: Is that from the professional critics? I guess so, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just the leader.

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Speaker 2: Zero percent from the fans. ED not to be confused

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Speaker 3: Also what I was thinking about, that's McConaughey, right, I think,

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Speaker 1: I thought that's in the seventies that TV was good.

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Speaker 3: Ed TV. McConaughey, Ellen DeGeneres was in that.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Eddie rob Reiner.

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Speaker 2: the next top five right here?

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Speaker 5: Almost Oh my goodness, all right, top five ads?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well from top five to four. We got a

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Speaker 2: new segment called the four by four fool. Oh yeah, wow,

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Speaker 2: knock out of the park. That one.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get that's gotta.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see jd in here riding the levels.

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Speaker 2: I missed him in here. All right. So the the

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Speaker 2: four by four segment, we got four questions for you, Dave. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and that's as simple as it is.

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Speaker 3: I have four answers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah hopefully you have to answer oh every single time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Top four m VP candidates. Who does Dave.

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Speaker 3: Four have Top four Yannis? I think Luca Lebron James

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Speaker 3: Harden is like in there right. The thing about Harden

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Speaker 3: and and Luca they're kind of like my you know,

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Speaker 3: four a four B before I win because of the Okay,

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Speaker 3: Siakam should maybe be waited to first because of what

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Speaker 3: he's doing without Lowry and without Ibaka. But I mean

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Speaker 3: Giannis has just been so dominant right was without Chris

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Speaker 3: Milnest is gonna win. I mean this is you know,

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Speaker 3: we know how this is built.

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Speaker 5: The narrative is all.

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Speaker 3: It's all before Christmas, So Giannis will be the m

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Speaker 3: v P. But I think there's like five legitimate candidate.

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Speaker 1: You think he's got enough narrative right now to be

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Speaker 1: the MVP.

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Speaker 3: He's just so dominant. He looks like Wilt Chamberlain.

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Speaker 2: Can't and I yeah, because he sort of has so far.

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Speaker 2: He wrote out the narrative of Luca. Look what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Look atte Hot start and he's sort of just and

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Speaker 2: Harden of course, yeah yeah. And it's like jannest was

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Speaker 2: sort of just sort of just still laying low a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but still putting up the monster numbers and

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Speaker 2: then he wins.

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Speaker 3: He was Bell to Bell last year, and I think

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Speaker 3: that to do that again. You know, this is you know,

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Speaker 3: Steph Curry esque.

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Speaker 4: What happens if James Hodden averages forty one a game?

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Speaker 3: The wins I think are gonna matter. I hope they're

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Speaker 3: gonna matter. You know, the whole thing when when Russ

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Speaker 3: averaged triple double and one MVP on a mediocre.

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Speaker 2: Team, forty seven win team, yeah they were.

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Speaker 3: They were five seed or a six seed. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: understood the arguments, but that felt like a baseball MVP.

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Speaker 3: And I think that basketball has just been so good

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Speaker 3: about having one of the guys from the top two

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Speaker 3: teams for years. So I'd love to see us go

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Speaker 3: back to that because winning needs to matter more more

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Speaker 3: than the numbers. And this is where I kind of

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Speaker 3: hold the records against Harden and Luca. Now it's early, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so they may come back. I mean, the MAVs are

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Speaker 3: playing like a fifty win team. The Rockets are right

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Speaker 3: now playing like a fifty to fifty five win team.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see. But I mean, clearly Giannis is the

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Speaker 3: front runner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The year Westbrook did win it sixteen seventeen, forty

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Speaker 2: seven wins, and you had the narrative of Katie leaving.

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Speaker 3: To that right a huge part, and it was a

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Speaker 3: bad team. I mean, he definitely was important, but it

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Speaker 3: was just, you know, I want to add more value

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Speaker 3: to winning games regular season.

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Speaker 5: I think it should matter. Janni's just isn't winning on

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Speaker 5: the internet right now, and that doesn't pertain. It has

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Speaker 5: no implementation on what the voters vote later on. But

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Speaker 5: right now he's not sexy, he's not winning the narrative.

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Speaker 5: It's just like when voters go to the polls, what

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Speaker 5: we're reading on Twitter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's true. And people don't care about dunking. They want

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Speaker 5: the fancy step backs. And we've got a modern day

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Speaker 5: Tim Duncan happening right now in that way where he's

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Speaker 5: not he doesn't talk that much, he's not that charismatic,

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00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 5: but he just goes to work every day and he wins,

869
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 5: and he's gonna win MVP. I agree at the end.

870
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: As long as Nate Silver doesn't say he's gonna win,

871
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: he's fine, all right.

872
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Our next question, favorite team to watch? Who's your favorite

873
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: team to watch right now?

874
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: Phoenix has been a lot of fun this year. Charlotte's

875
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun this year. Can't Andy, but

876
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: I think it's Toronto.

877
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just playing.

878
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: I really am just playing the crowd. Nick Nurse is

879
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: probably doing the most creative and interesting coaching in the

880
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: league right now. It's a lot of fun to watch.

881
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: And they've got I mean, they've got guys that shouldn't

882
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: be as good as they are performing well. I mean,

883
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, just by by the eye test, right you

884
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: look at Fred van Vliet and he's a little bit

885
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: taller than I am, and he is killing it and

886
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: he's gonna make a lot of money this summer. Siakam

887
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: improving again. You know. Before the season, I said, I

888
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: thought he's probably gonna wind up being talked about as

889
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 3: the most improved player again, and he's it's proving true

890
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: MVP candidate. You know. I just think that they have

891
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: like a really really interesting thing happening. And I love

892
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 3: the fact that nobody believed in this team for some reason,

893
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: and they're they're looking like they're gonna make a finals run.

894
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then guys like Chris Bouche has played well,

895
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: Ronde Hall's Jefferson has been Norman Peris Davis.

896
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're fun. It is fun to watch because the

897
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: expectations are different for them. I'm sure in the locker

898
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 5: room they're like, compared to last year, we're expectations, right, Hey,

899
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: we got a sixty one team in this locker room

900
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 5: now it's we're playing for us.

901
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: I think they have a real chance to come out

902
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: of the East. They don't have a lot of glaring weaknesses,

903
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: and especially because of Siakam's improvement, whereas Philadelphia, you know,

904
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: we we know about their offensive issues. Their defense I

905
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: think is going to be great, but the offense is

906
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 3: going to be a problem. Uh, Milwaukee, can they adjust

907
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: once the playoffs hit and everything changes. And we know

908
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: Nick Nurse with his creativity as a coach again, I

909
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: give him so much crime. I think he's a Coach

910
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: of the Year right now. It's him or Vogel. And

911
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: so it's a lot of fun to watch, especially you know,

912
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 3: from from my standpoint, I love to watch creative coaching

913
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: and guys that He does a really good job of

914
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: putting his guys in a in a position to succeed

915
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: without impeding their creativity. And I think that's really really.

916
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 5: Hard to do.

917
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: And he's not afraid to try things either.

918
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 3: Right, he won the fly will the boxing won last year.

919
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: You know everyone is acting like that it was this

920
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: super innovative thing. It really wasn't. It was just if

921
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: you're willing to not have preconceived notions about what NBA

922
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: basketball is and what NBA defense is. Brad Stevens did this.

923
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: He brought back the flex offense like all of his

924
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: out of bounds player or flex and people think he's

925
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: a genius, but really he's just like, well, this is

926
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: high school.

927
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try this.

928
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: Still, it all works for a reason. So I love

929
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: Nurse for that, and I think that seems a lot

930
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: of fun.

931
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: I am still a little hesitant to see whether this

932
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: can work in the playoffs.

933
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm hearing it. It's it's deja vus

934
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: for Raptors fans for like two to three to four

935
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 5: to five to six years ago, when people started to believe,

936
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 5: like Dave is saying, it's becoming a little bit more

937
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: of a common refrain, this team can come out of

938
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: the East. You know, smart people are saying it. But

939
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 5: I say it's deja vous for us as Raptors fans,

940
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 5: because you don't want to buy it. You don't want

941
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 5: to believe, because you're gonna get hurt in the end,

942
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 5: like always. Because I just prior championship year.

943
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: That Pascal siakam as great as he's been, and I

944
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: was right there in September with you Dave saying this

945
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: guy could win Most Improved back to back, and now

946
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 2: so he's like exceeding those expectations. He's in the MVP

947
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: conversation and rightfully so, I'm still not going to vince

948
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: the defense is gonna be awesome. Yes, that's gonna keep

949
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: you in a lot of games and possibly win you

950
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: a lot of games in the regular season and the playoffs.

951
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: But it's a tie game or you're down one. I

952
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: just we the Raptors had Kawhi and it was like,

953
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: give him the ball. He's going to get a good look.

954
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: No matter who's on him, he's gonna get to his spot.

955
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: He's gonna rise up and that, as we saw in

956
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: that playoff run, more times than not, knock it down.

957
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm just so now it's Sakam. Really, it's like, okay,

958
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: spin your way to a basket, or you know, hit

959
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: maybe a three in the corner.

960
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: Like I just take so many ugly shots where it

961
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: looks like he's just falling over. He's throwing it at

962
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: the rim and it goes in so many times.

963
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: I know he's a better tough shot maker than I realized.

964
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 3: I know My thing was I knew he had more

965
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: off the dribble game, and we were gonna get to

966
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 3: see it this year. But Kawhi was great at hitting

967
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: those tough shots like could contested. But if you look

968
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: at Siakam, he's shooting thirty nine percent from three uh,

969
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: like a little over six attempts a game. I know

970
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: it's eighty five percent of his three point attempts are

971
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: tightly contested and he's still hitting him. So you might

972
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: have that tough shot maker be amazing.

973
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: I hope it's true.

974
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Now better than Lowry and DeRozan thro their through their

975
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: stretch together, you know, when they were the number one

976
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: guy's kind of taking turns.

977
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 5: It's funny. We got an email question asking would you

978
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: rather bet on Lowry and DeRozan going to an NBA

979
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: finals or Pascal Siakam and Fred Van Vliet. Yeah, it's

980
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: a great one.

981
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna cheat and Saya and.

982
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: Lowry I'm gonna yeah. Yeah.

983
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 2: But that's a good question. All right, next one here, Dave,

984
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: what's your thoughts on the mid season tournament proposal? Okay,

985
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: and we were asking this, We've talked about it, but

986
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: Mark Stein was tweeting yesterday that all elements of the

987
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: NBA's potential mid season tournament remain in the discussion phase,

988
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: but one idea proposed to INCENTIVI teams is to embrace

989
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: the new competition is furnishing the tournament winner with an

990
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: extra draft pick. So there's this being thrown around now,

991
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: so you can, Yeah, what are your thoughts on this

992
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: whole thing?

993
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: I thought that on on Today's Daily, ding Wise made

994
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: a really good point where he said that the hardcore

995
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: fans of the NBA are starting to identify more with

996
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: gms than players, and this seems like pandering to those people.

997
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: Why would Lebron James? I mean, maybe Lebron's different because

998
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: he would care about the draft pick because you could

999
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: trade it for you know, a guy who's played for

1000
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: fifteen years, right, like you can trade it.

1001
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: For Richard Jefferson, or he may want to draft his

1002
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: son right down the road.

1003
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: But the average NBA player, that's it. Okay, So it's

1004
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: another guy who come and take my job. Like players

1005
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: don't care. Organizations are going to look at these games

1006
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: like they don't matter. I mean, I think maybe playoff

1007
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: seating might do it. This is gonna just be like

1008
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: the tournament cups that you see in your so you

1009
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: don't think I think it's a waste. The truth is

1010
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: it's a half measure. They're gonna wind up. You know,

1011
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: twelve hundred and thirty games is going to turn into

1012
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: like you know, twelve hundred and forty five. They're actually

1013
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: gonna wind up playing more games. I think with the tournaments,

1014
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: it's just listen, cut this season down or don't keep

1015
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: it at eighty two. I threw this out last week.

1016
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: I was like, I think they're throwing out these awful

1017
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: proposals just so we'll all say, you.

1018
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Know what, two leave it alone.

1019
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: It just it just doesn't make any sense. And you

1020
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: know they're gonna have to negotiate this whole thing. I

1021
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: just don't see it happening.

1022
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about the draft pick? Because

1023
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about that little possibly being thrown in

1024
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: there as a carrot.

1025
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: That's what they need to do to incentivize it, I think.

1026
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: But do you really think like they're saying, are the

1027
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: players going to care at all about a draft pick? Why?

1028
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

1029
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: They're gonna treat it like preseason if they play they're treat.

1030
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: It like preseason.

1031
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. It's hard to figure out if the

1032
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: players will care or not, but certainly the organizations will

1033
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: be pushing for their players to go out there and perform. So,

1034
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 4: you know, like, hey, listen, guys, Zion's a number one pick.

1035
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 4: We want to get that number one pick. I probably

1036
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: won't be number one, of course, but help our chances, yes, Like,

1037
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: go out there and play and we might have Zion.

1038
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 4: Let's say there's a Lebron in the draft running up

1039
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 4: in a couple of years. Guys, we want that draft pick.

1040
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna have to be a multi level

1041
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: sort of incentive program. Someone threw out the idea that

1042
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: maybe the tournament finished order however you determine it would

1043
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 3: set the order for the second round of the draft.

1044
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: That's interesting. But then how much you're gonna like, how

1045
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: much of a bonus will the players get? Right? That's

1046
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 3: really what it money talks, money, it's money.

1047
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: With this money talks, you need these giant sponsors to

1048
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: put up some dough that's right, and then yeah, then

1049
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: guys might play.

1050
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: And all of this is you know, this mid season tournament,

1051
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: this is just they're looking for stuff to sell to

1052
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: the networks because they don't want to see a drop

1053
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: in that TV money. But it's just not compelling. Compelling

1054
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: is you know, making the regular season matter. And this

1055
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: is why I've been pushing for cutting to fifty eight games.

1056
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: Darryl Morey actually thinks that the league could make more

1057
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: money that way. Now the ticket price thing does become

1058
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: an issue, but you could have a balance schedule, no conferences.

1059
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: We actually would know who the best teams are and

1060
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: never have a back to back I did like twenty

1061
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: eight weeks where it was you a team would have

1062
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: to play three games in a week once during the season,

1063
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: and it would allow time to breathe. And this is

1064
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: where the NFL, I think, has this inherent advantage because

1065
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: of the time between games. NFL media hypes up every

1066
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: game and every game matters and we just don't get that.

1067
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: This is you know, looking at it from a media standpoint,

1068
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: but the league itself could benefit from it.

1069
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: Right if there's only three, four or five games, right,

1070
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: that's it appointment telling there and then theory they're more

1071
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: important because there's less games.

1072
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: But the selling points of the league is that it's

1073
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: a daily TV product. Yeah, and it's it's cheap. You know,

1074
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: you don't have you know, camera time, you don't have.

1075
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, the talent's already being paid. It's easy to

1076
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: produce ish, you know, and and it's cheap.

1077
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: That's why I don't mind this experiment. If this midseason

1078
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: tournament happens, if they're never going to come around on

1079
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: really reducing the season, and I don't think that's happening,

1080
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: then fine. I mean if it makes these weird games

1081
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: in late November and early December when people start to

1082
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: check out a little bit, if it makes these and

1083
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: done and people are gambling on it and like, oh wow,

1084
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: this is fun, then sure, why not give it a go?

1085
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 5: What?

1086
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: What? What is the harm? Really? And I do like

1087
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: the concept of like baking in the you know, your

1088
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: division games into your sort of seeding of this tournament.

1089
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: You know, that makes sense. You're sort of doing two

1090
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: things at once here, and maybe you're making even those

1091
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: games a little bit more important.

1092
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: How do you guys feel about valuing the tournament wins

1093
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: more than.

1094
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: Regular I think that's getting too I agree, too difficult

1095
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: to follow. I think the I think the diehard fan

1096
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: would struggle with that, let alone A casual fan like,

1097
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: what this game means?

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00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: How many points did we get that one? Yeah, i'd

1099
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: be confusing.

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00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm down on that idea. Yeah, that one's being kicked around. Yeah,

1101
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: but we will see, all right. Final question in the

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00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: four by four is a good one. Who are the

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00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: best and worst daily ding co hosts? Who's the best?

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, We're gonna clip this, send it straight, Zach Harper.

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00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the I mean the best is uh sitting

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00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: right here in this room. Well, I mean, so the

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00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: host being me, Zach, Jared, and now Moe is hosting

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: My favorite guy to podcast.

1111
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: With is Mo.

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00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's on Nurders she road every

1113
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: week and he and I have been podcasting now for years.

1114
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: So chemistry, great chemistry. But a guy I had instant

1115
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: chemistry with was Wa. I mean it's so like he's

1116
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: a super likable but you can just hand him the

1117
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: ball and he can run with right and so yeah,

1118
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: he makes my job really easy. I think this season,

1119
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Trey might be most improved. He's been incredible. He's trying

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Speaker 3: to average forty a game.

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Speaker 2: How many are there?

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00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man, I mean our rotation because we're to I think

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00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: I think we have you know, seven or so that

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00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: are regular, but we're trying to get incorporate more of

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00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: the athletic people. You know. We love the few you

1127
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: guys wanted to pop on, but it's so late, so right,

1128
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: got me here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he dodged me though, he did it, which

1130
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 7: is good because it seems like like last night would

1131
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 7: have been a night that classically I would work because

1132
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 7: all the games were sort of awful.

1133
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is like my luck.

1134
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: And so Trey and I last year we had a

1135
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: run of about eight straight weeks where every time we

1136
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: worked together it was just one of those things does blowout.

1137
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: Every game was a blowout. So yeah, Trey and I

1138
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: we struggled last year. Man, he's been so good this year. Worst.

1139
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's probably mot Man.

1140
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: Wait ahead, all right, that's fun the four by four. Yeah,

1141
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: let's get to tweet of the night.

1142
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 5: Tweet of the night. Wow, all right.

1143
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: Tweeting the night I had the honors last night. I'm

1144
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: gonna go with at Andrew D. Bailey good follow on

1145
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: Twitter shares a lot of knowledge about the game. He tweeted,

1146
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: it's more of a question for everyone that I thought

1147
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: we could think about what's the worst single season drop

1148
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: off you can remember from an NBA player, Think of

1149
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: someone who was great one season and awful the next.

1150
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of great responses to this tweet.

1151
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: It's a good que they won't come to mind for anyone.

1152
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 4: I've got a guy who statistically didn't have a major

1153
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: drop off, but in terms of just his performance and

1154
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: effort and attitude, had a significantly bad season. Toronto Raptors.

1155
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: He do Turkey two thousand and nine, The Magic went

1156
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 4: to the finals. You know, he was third fourth best

1157
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: player on that team. Yep, very good. Sometimes Brian Colangelo

1158
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: lavished him with a generous contract, all the pizza. And

1159
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: it's funny because I actually went to his introductory press

1160
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 4: conference in Toronto, and I've never seen anyone look less

1161
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 4: like they cared about anything in the world than him.

1162
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: He looked fat, he looked out of shape, he looked

1163
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 4: like he just got out of bed.

1164
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: He didn't.

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00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 4: He barely answered the question. I asked him a question

1166
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: about I said.

1167
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: So, how'd you do it?

1168
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: Do it? Do it?

1169
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: How you would have done it?

1170
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 4: I said, he do less? Intern at the score, I said,

1171
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, last season you were on the NBA Finals

1172
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: team Orlando Magic, and now you're joining a team that that.

1173
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: I don't think the Raptors did they make the playoffs anyway,

1174
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: You're jo worse him. Yeah, you're joining a bad team.

1175
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 4: You know, teams always players always talking about wanting to

1176
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 4: to win rings and win championships. You were close and

1177
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: you're going to take a significant step back. What was

1178
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: the main reason behind that? And he's like, oh, yeah,

1179
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: I just this is a nice opportunity and uh, you know,

1180
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 4: it's it's a good team. And I'm just like, what

1181
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: the hell are you talking about? Man, you were there,

1182
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: You're on the brink. And I think the Magic offered

1183
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: him a decent contract, but it wasn't you know, it

1184
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: was still a bigger pay rise. They're going to Toronto.

1185
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 5: He lasted one.

1186
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: One bad season and then he went to Phoenix and

1187
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 4: then yeah, I think he went Clipper after that. So yeah,

1188
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: he was awful, awful to watch.

1189
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 3: All right, good one and avoiding the injury guys because

1190
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: you know that, yeah that's not legal.

1191
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Like Andrew Biden was an All Star and then he

1192
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: was like out of the league.

1193
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: Statistically not that huge of a drop off, but just

1194
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: being from going from All Star to out of the league.

1195
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: Roy Hibbert, yeah, first name, I thought of that. He

1196
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: the game completely phased him out. It just changed so much.

1197
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you remember that that Pacers run. It was

1198
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: verticality was the most used word when talking about back,

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00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: no doubt. And now I mean Roy Hibbert's like, what

1200
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: thirty two? Maybe?

1201
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: How is he thy two eighty three?

1202
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the best sitter in the league

1203
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: at one point.

1204
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is a two time All Star. Yeah.

1205
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: He was out of the league by seventeen.

1206
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1207
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the twenty thirteen fourteen season was super weird

1208
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: for Hibbert too, because he was, like you're saying, Dave,

1209
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: he was the man. He was Defensive Player of the Year.

1210
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: Throughout the whole season, they were talking verticality, verticality. Lebron

1211
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: had to learn how to shoot a floater from Mario

1212
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Chalmers because Roy Hibbert was always standing in the lane.

1213
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: He was always kicking guys, always getting kicked, but it

1214
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: was fine because his arms were straight up and down.

1215
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: And then suddenly in the playoffs he was putting up

1216
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: o first, like multiple multiple times. He averaged ten a

1217
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: game the next season. After that, Jokim Noah actually ended

1218
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: up winning Defensive Player of the Year.

1219
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: Great for the balls.

1220
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Very weird though that Hibbert didn't win it because that

1221
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Pacers team was on one. Yeah, and then that next

1222
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: season he put up ten of game and then he

1223
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: was basically gone. I mean, he always there, but he

1224
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: was not. It wasn't the same. He was like the

1225
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: identity for the Pacers, and suddenly he wasn't.

1226
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 3: It's all about that weird photo they took.

1227
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: Somebody was going to say that their sexy photo shoot.

1228
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, just five of them. Yeah, that.

1229
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: Was the catalyst. You're right.

1230
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, uh Andy Bailey, who's a writer for the Jazz

1231
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 5: is bringing this up because he's scared of Mike Conley,

1232
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 5: the Mike Conley situation. I'm sure, but the replies are great.

1233
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 5: NBA fans are really smart. Uh Yeah, Hibbert Hibbert a

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00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 5: big one. I like the Landry Fields one. I mean

1235
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 5: that's that's yeah, that has injury concerns, that the nerve

1236
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 5: and the elbow just stopped being able to shoot.

1237
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: Because he had promising young seasons with the Knicks, right,

1238
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: he was there for two years and then he and

1239
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: then he went to the Raptors and he averaged like

1240
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: three three point three points.

1241
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: He also had a really good agent.

1242
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think that helped.

1243
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he roped in Brian Colangelo. Chandler Parsons is another

1244
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: one that's injury.

1245
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: The injuries feels cheap, like Isaiah Thomas is the biggest one,

1246
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: right drop off, But that's injury. I mean that was

1247
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: averaging nearly thirty thirty points per game.

1248
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: He got run over by the Brinks truck.

1249
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and he was all NBA's second team and

1250
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 2: then since then he because the injuries, played seventy games

1251
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: with four different teams like Cleveland, Lakers, Nuggets, and now

1252
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: the Wizards. But yeah, it's a big injury reason. It's

1253
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: a fun question, very fun. Good tweet from at Andrew

1254
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Speaker 2: gonna look like they were gonna cover, but Sixers got

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Speaker 2: it done. They won by enough, won by six or more.

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Speaker 2: That's a win for Trey and lead. We've just started

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Speaker 2: the month of November December. Jeez, where are we? You

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Speaker 2: guys want to know? Tass and I are one to

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Speaker 2: one Tonight's.

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Speaker 5: Game, second game of it TNT doubleheader. It is appointment

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Speaker 5: viewing tonight. Clear the calendar, clear the schedule, no flex

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00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: scheduling needed. Blazers at Clippers. Clippers are favored by a

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00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 5: healthy nine and a half. Is understandable, lots of hype

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 5: around the Blazers, but they only have beaten Carmelo's old

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Speaker 5: Floes in the bowls and the thunder, So who do

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00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: we got nine and a half? Clip Blazers I'd like.

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Speaker 2: To say before I make my pick, start fading me

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Speaker 2: hard on these I got off to a great start

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Speaker 2: this season, seven to one in October twelve and seven

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Speaker 2: in November. Fade me like crazy. I know I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go on a brutal run here. I'm taking the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: It'll blowout win.

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Speaker 1: Call me because I'm fading. Yeah, bro, I'm going with

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Speaker 1: the Portland Trail Blazers. I'll take the points plus they

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Speaker 1: got the raining player of the week.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'll jump in. Well, you think about it. I'll take

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Speaker 5: the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: He's got a fade away.

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Speaker 5: Look at them, fan easily back. I think the Clippers

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Speaker 5: will get up for a game, even though it's just

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Speaker 5: a Blazers leather's mellow talk. I worry about those guys

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Speaker 5: just suffocating everybody on the perimeter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do we know everyone's playing? Oh yeah, give me

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Speaker 4: the clip. I think it was a bit of a

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Speaker 4: mirage last week.

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Speaker 2: Dave, Why do you make a pick?

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Speaker 3: All right? Listen, I'm I'm nothing if I'm not a Pandura,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going Blazers.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think they need a signature win, and I think

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Speaker 3: stats is going to have these guys ready to play.

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Speaker 3: Look out for Mellow going for forty let's go.

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Speaker 2: That's the storyline we would want for this show that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's the storyline you would want.

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Speaker 3: Podcast it, I need it, I need it.

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Speaker 2: Dave? Where can people catch your work or where can

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Speaker 2: they hear you or catch you on Twitter?

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Speaker 3: On Twitter at Dave do four NBA. You know, so

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: you know I talked about basketball and uh any athletic

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Speaker 3: podcast pretty much. I'm just all the back to back

1343
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Speaker 3: feed obviously with all the guys and from Rose Garden,

1344
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: the Portland Trailblazers podcast and then the daily ding. You know,

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Speaker 3: we try to get everybody ready to come listen to

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Speaker 3: this show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you joining us today. Have a safe trip back

1348
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: to to uh San Antonio. Are you leaving today or

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Speaker 2: what's going to leave tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: I'm okay, I'm gonna record a bunch of podcasts today. Actually,

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00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: my schedule today is so packed. I think I've got

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Speaker 3: three more shows that wow.

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Speaker 2: All right, well let's let's get out of here. Then, guys,

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Speaker 2: the Athletic dot com slash no Dunks, Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 3: You heard it here first.

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Speaker 1: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us. I remember Dave work so hard.

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Speaker 5: This is gonna be one of his four podcasts of

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Speaker 5: the day.

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Speaker 2: Embrace today people you stay.

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Speaker 6: Every day.

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Speaker 5: Be happy e.

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Speaker 6: It's been so long that you're the one I've wait for.

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Speaker 7: Its happened already.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be good me