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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Chris Mannix, He's the senior NBA writer for

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. He joins us on the program. What would

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Speaker 1: the storyline be today if Phoenix had won last night? Chris, Oh,

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Speaker 1: referee's gone wild would have to be have to be right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the more egregious non

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Speaker 1: calls that I've ever seen. In the explanation to the

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Speaker 1: pool reporter afterwards is probably worse, I mean, to paraphrase it.

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Speaker 1: It was. You know, I thought it was a clean swipe,

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Speaker 1: which there wasn't that I saw the hand on the back,

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Speaker 1: which there was. I mean, Dan, it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: look at that play and not see a referee that

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Speaker 1: was determined to keep Devin Booker in the game. You

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Speaker 1: had five fouls, so if they had, if Phoenix had

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Speaker 1: won that game, all we would be talking about today

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Speaker 1: would be a referee conspiracy theory to make for the

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Speaker 1: Suns to win. So what should the headline be today?

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Speaker 1: You know? To me, it's the ascent of Chris Middleton

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Speaker 1: continues like I was writing this last night, Like there

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Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago when Chris Middleton made

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Speaker 1: his first All Star team when you looked at Chris

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Speaker 1: Middleton and he said, all right, we'll put him on

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Speaker 1: the All Star team. But it's mostly because the Bucks

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Speaker 1: are really good and you can't have just one All

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Speaker 1: Star on a team that in mid season is sitting

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Speaker 1: at or near the top of the conference. He almost

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Speaker 1: benefited from the success of the Bucks. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's had some good finals games. Game one was his

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Speaker 1: best prior to Game four. But that forty point performance

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Speaker 1: in Game four, I think that really cemented Chris Middleton

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Speaker 1: So his breakthrough, to me was the biggest story of

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Speaker 1: that game for those who didn't see the Greek Freaks

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Speaker 1: block on DeAndre Ayton. You, being a word smith, how

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Speaker 1: would you describe it unique? You know, what Lebron did

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen was remarkable, Like the the sheer athleticism

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Speaker 1: of Lebron to get back and block Iguidala was remarkable.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any player in league history

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Speaker 1: that can do what Yanna's did on that play. To

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Speaker 1: and then have the athleticism and instincts to get back

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Speaker 1: I can't think of too many guys that could do it.

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Speaker 1: Like I guess, go all the way back in time

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Speaker 1: anywhere near as athletic as the players of today. So

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Speaker 1: I that's the kind of block like we might see

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Speaker 1: and Frankly, Lebron's done it multiple times, we have seen it.

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Speaker 1: We might see it a block Lebrons again, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that we ever see a block shot in that

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Speaker 1: situation like Jannis. Two things that stood out. You got

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Speaker 1: to reflect back on the injury that he suffered, yea,

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Speaker 1: and you got to factor that in. The Other thing

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Speaker 1: it fascinated me, not that he blocked it, just that

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Speaker 1: let him have that slam dunk. That to me was

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Speaker 1: that's the fascinating part of it. You just go, oh

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Speaker 1: to block. Oh he did block it, and Dame Lillard

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Speaker 1: tweeted in real time he said, Yannis just won the game.

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Speaker 1: And you know there was a little over a minute

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Speaker 1: it was, he took it away in one play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Phoenix, you have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: if you're a Phoenix Suns fan. I think a little bit,

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Speaker 1: nineteen points, nine assists. I mean, good game, but not

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the takeover type games he's had in the

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Speaker 1: Holiday did something in that Game three, picking Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's an adjustment Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: into a rhythm. Ending update on the Ben Simmons trade market,

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Speaker 1: not really. You know, the Sixers, I think we talked

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Speaker 1: didn't happen like that. He is the All Star, two

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Speaker 1: time All Star defense, highly rate defensive player, elite guy.

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Speaker 1: We got enough shooting to help us win. They don't

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Speaker 1: want to trade for you know, younger players and draft picks.

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Speaker 1: They want a guy back can return, that will help

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's available to them right now. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this to you before and it bears repeating.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Philadelphia, I'm just circling Portland like a vulture.

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Speaker 1: like I want to see what the Portland Trailblazers do

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Speaker 1: you know what, screw this, We're not good. We got

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Speaker 1: our stars having good contracts to trade while we can.

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Speaker 1: I'm if I'm Daryl Morey, I hate to deal Ben

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Speaker 1: say we're open for business. Thank you. Chris has always

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Speaker 1: safe travels. You got it, Dan, Chris Mannox, Senior writer

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Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated covering the NBA Finals. Here is the

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Speaker 1: Greek Freak talking about his great block last night. Just

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Speaker 1: hustle play. I thought I'm gonna get bucked one, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, but going down the strets, just

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Speaker 1: do whatever you know it takes to win the game,

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Speaker 1: you know. So the play coming so that Chris, Chris

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Speaker 1: Oh by the way, Chris Middleton scored forty points and

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a Oh by the way, he had

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Speaker 1: two games a piece. McLevin, did we settle on the

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Speaker 1: poll question? Yeah, we put up for fun, the greatest

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Speaker 1: defensive play in a championship series or a game. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of nominations too. Okay, Jordan's stealing the ball

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Speaker 1: That whole that the series of plays they're defensively and offensively,

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Speaker 1: Jeter against the A's just people love that play. Wait,

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Speaker 1: sure worked out well for Jeets. Of course you did watch.

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Speaker 1: sent in multiple Tayshaun Prince blocking Reggie Miller not in

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler. It just doesn't. Because you had practiced this

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426
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Speaker 1: me back into shape pretty quick. She was absolutely amazing

427
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: and so strong throughout the entire thing. I would not

428
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Speaker 1: have gone through it without her, and she was with

429
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: me every day. She took care of me all last year.

430
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Speaker 1: Because it was during the pandemic. My parents were able

431
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: to come up a couple of times even though the

432
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: pandemic was going on, so I did get to see

433
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: them some and they were you know, I talked to

434
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: them every day and they were so supportive from Afar,

435
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: but given the circumstances in the world, it was by

436
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: and large Sarah and I most of the time. So

437
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: she was incredible and so strong and help me get

438
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: through it. So well, what was that like, your first

439
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: appearance after going through all of this? It was surreal.

440
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: It was a spring training game, and spring trainings basically

441
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: glorified practice games, so I wasn't really expecting too many

442
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: emotions or adrenaline or anything like that going into the game.

443
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 1: But I got to the field that day and it

444
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: was just so strange being back where I was the

445
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 1: year before, where I got diagnosed with colon cancer, and

446
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: then you know, here I am healthy again and and

447
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: I've been through a lot, but I'm gonna be playing

448
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: in a game again, almost a year to the day

449
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: that um I had last appeared in a game. So

450
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: it was incredible and I got a standing ovation from

451
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Speaker 1: the fans, and it was definitely the most emotional spring

452
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: training moment. I don't think I'll have another Spring training

453
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: moment like that. They don't make movies about spring training.

454
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Speaker 1: Their tray, you know, Major League I think had a

455
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: couple of scenes from spring training. That's all I can

456
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: think of. Who provided comic relief through all of this.

457
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean we watched a lot of TV shows, Sarah

458
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: and I, UM, so we got it through that. I mean,

459
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm a humongest fan in the office. I've watched a

460
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: show like I think fifty thousand times. But you know,

461
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: I still laugh every day if we watched that, so um,

462
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: you know, we watched things like that, and um, you

463
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: know I got I have so many friends that you

464
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: know would make me laugh and and things like that,

465
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: and Sarah also made me laugh all the time. So

466
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: you need that whenever you're going through this. Are you cancer, Like,

467
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: what's your diagnosis? As far as follow ups go, Yeah, So,

468
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean everything looks fantastic so far, but after you

469
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: have stastory colin cancer go through chemotherapy, you go through

470
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: about a five year surveillance period where for the first year,

471
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: every three months you get checked up, and then the

472
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: next year it's every six months, and then it's yearly

473
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Speaker 1: for the next three years after that. So I'm getting

474
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Speaker 1: checked up again in September, and then after that it

475
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: progresses to six months, so you get CT scans and

476
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: then I have really highly specific blood tests that I

477
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: do too, And so far everything looks great. I feel

478
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: great about everything and my future, but it's still something

479
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with even after it's over.

480
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: What if I got you an autograph picture from Kevin

481
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: from the office, would you would you be interested in

482
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: getting I actually notice is his mug in front of you.

483
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: I would love that. Yeah, I'm a huge fan. Well, plus,

484
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: when he spills the chili, I mean, there's one of

485
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: the best things. And that's that's that was one take.

486
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: He said that he did it one time. That was it,

487
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: and they had to replace the carpet as he spilled

488
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: all the chili. But it's still if I'm ever in

489
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: a bad mood and if I'm feeling low, you can

490
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: watch that and I don't care what you're going through.

491
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: You can feel a little bit better single time. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: that would have been tough. If it was more than

493
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Speaker 1: one take, that would have been so I'm happy for

494
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: him that it was only one take. Are you okay

495
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: with baseball? Change the rules? No more seven inning double

496
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: headers here, and we're getting rid of the guy on

497
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: second base to start extra innings. Um you know what,

498
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: as a player, I haven't minded the rules too much.

499
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: The seven inning double headers are nice. Two nine eighting

500
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: games in a day is a lot. But at the

501
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: same time, um, you know that is a classic baseball game,

502
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: and um so, so I have no problem with it

503
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: changing back. But I have not minded to change in

504
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: rules either. Did any picture take it easy on you? Did?

505
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: If anybody want to just, you know, give you a

506
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: meatball down down the middle, most definitely not. Yeah, And

507
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: if they did, I wouldn't be too happy with them.

508
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: As nice as that sounds, you know, I don't want

509
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: any sympathy or you know, courtesy meatballs from anybody else.

510
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: And I know the pictures this year, I feel like

511
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: are almost more than any other year. They're just getting

512
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: better and better and they know how to pitch and

513
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's tough. It's it's tough on a day

514
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: to day basis going out there and facing these guys.

515
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: Are you doing a website or anything. I know you

516
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: want to raise awareness here. I'm curious if you and

517
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: your girlfriend or your agent have started something. Yes, so

518
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: I have a foundation. It's called the Trainming and Seni Foundation,

519
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: And um so, my older sister actually is the one

520
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: that started it. My younger sister helps out, and Sarah

521
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: helps out, and my agent and is also involved. And

522
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of what we do is to

523
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: benefit colon cancer and raise awareness, but we also do

524
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: a backpack program in Baltimore to benefit kids up there.

525
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: So basically, anything that resonates with us we want to

526
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: get behind. And we do a lot of different fundraisers

527
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: for different causes, but right now our main things are

528
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: coaling cancer awareness in the backpack program. Great to talk

529
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: to you, Trey, And I know you want to be

530
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: known as a ball player, but you know, and if

531
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: you can raise any kind of awareness, there's nothing wrong

532
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: with being known as that ball player who helped a

533
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: lot of people and maybe save some lives. Absolutely, yeah,

534
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Dan thanks for having me on.

535
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: That's a Trey Mancini, the Oils first baseman and finished

536
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: runner up home run Derby to Peter Alonzo. You get

537
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: that original or that initial diagnosis, and you're like, oh

538
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: my god, like your world is ending. You don't you

539
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: don't have it gets you want to know how long

540
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: do I have to live? That's what people normally that

541
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I've known who've gone through anything like this, How long

542
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: do I have to live? First thing you ask? I

543
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: remember my dad was going through lung cancer, first thing,

544
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: how long do I have to live? And they gave

545
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: him six months? He lived six months, and you know

546
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: that's where you go. You know, I hope they're wrong,

547
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: like six months, and they were almost six months of

548
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: the day. And that's why when I go back to

549
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: when Jim Valvano passed away and that last year that

550
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: he was at ESPN, I purposely didn't want to get

551
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: close to him because I didn't want to lose another

552
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: like father figure. Is corny as that may sound, like,

553
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to lose somebody close to me again.

554
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: And I told him that the last day he was

555
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: there at ESPN. And I know I've told this story

556
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: but I remember talking to him and I said, you know, hey,

557
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I didn't go out. You know, they'd go out to

558
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: there was a bar next do or the White Birch

559
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: from ESPN and John Saunders. Some guys would go over there.

560
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: They would doe college basketball raps and then coach would

561
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: go over there, and he tells stories. He was wonderful

562
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: and I didn't go over. I'd get done with sports down.

563
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't go over. And I told him the last

564
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: day I saw him, and I said, you know, I

565
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to get closer to you. I didn't want

566
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: to be around you. I didn't, you know, I didn't.

567
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: My dad had gone through cancer. And first thing he

568
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: says is how long did they say he was going

569
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: to live? And I said six months. How long did

570
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: he live? And I said six months? And the air

571
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: went out of him and he said, hey, I understand it,

572
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: but promise me you'll all you're when I die. I mean,

573
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: imagine this. I'm in the Sports Center newsroom and he

574
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: says to me, and we're in the back row where

575
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: everybody when there are three rows where you would type

576
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: your scripts back then. And I remember he said, when

577
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I die, not if I die when I die, will

578
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: you make sure that they put a great picture above

579
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: you when you do the story. So when he died,

580
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I said to the producer, I said, look, I got

581
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: to do the story and we got to get a

582
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: great picture. And then I told them the story and

583
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: found a great picture of Jim. And you know, to

584
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: be able to do that, I mean, that was that's

585
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: all he wanted, because he said, you know, every time

586
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: somebody dies, you guys who picks out those pictures, Like

587
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: he was always trying to be fun and look at

588
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: the lighter side of things. And when he said that,

589
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: I understood it. It's like, can you put a good

590
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: picture up there? I'm not gonna be around to see it,

591
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I want people to see a good

592
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: picture of me at cancer survivors, you know, And you

593
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: know what's so important is the people around you, you know,

594
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: because it takes a toll. It takes a toll on

595
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you who the people who have cancer, but it takes

596
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: a toll on the people who are there with you,

597
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: who watch you go through this. And you know, I

598
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: can't underestimate overestimate the role that you play as being

599
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: that spiritual lifeguard there because you got to see it,

600
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: and you got to help, and you got to troubleshoot

601
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: and take you I remember taking my dad to chemo.

602
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: He went through cobalt treatments, which is pretty powerful stuff.

603
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: And I had a Corvette at the time, seventy three corvette.

604
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: He said, can you take me downtown? And can you

605
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: pop the tea tops? So my dad still had his

606
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: hair going through chemo, and he said, can you pop

607
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: off the tea tops? And he said, hell yes, And

608
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: then he said, let's see what she can do. And

609
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm thinking, if I get pulled over, I'm

610
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: taking my dad to chemo. You know, it's a pretty

611
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: good excuse there. And I remember we were going probably

612
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: seventy five miles an hour, and he just loved the

613
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: wind blowing back his hair because he still had it

614
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Speaker 1: through chemo. So all right, we'll take a break. Wow,

615
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: you're at like a quick Fritzie limerick to light it? Yeah,

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00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, Fritzie has a limerick? Yes he does. Actually, yes, Fritzie,

617
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: why don't you give me a limerick? Why don't you

618
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: pick up my spirits a little bit? We got some

619
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Speaker 1: phone calls here coming up. Well, oh, by the way,

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00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: colon oscar pe, colon oscar pee. Don't wait till you're fifty. Okay,

621
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Speaker 1: do not do you if you're thirty five, if you're four,

622
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: you should do it every five years, even less than that.

623
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: There's no downside. I know, the embarrassment of it, or

624
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you feel like the embent, you know what it's. It

625
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: can prevent and the sooner you do it, the better

626
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: you'll be and you'll feel you'll feel better about it,

627
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: and others around you as well. But don't wait till

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Speaker 1: you're fifty, all right, Todd, this is not a colonoscopy limericks.

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Speaker 1: Okay of the NBA Finals, Okay, Well, Game four Shirley

630
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: was fun. Just when you thought they were done, the

631
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: buck started to ball turnovers by Paul and Janis blocking

632
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: the suns. All right, thank you, Todd. You're welcome. Thank you.

633
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: We'll got cheer things up a little bit, all right,

634
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: thank you, Todd. It didn't cheer me on put deeper depression.

635
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm in a worse moot. Thanks for listening

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00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: the Three and Out Podcast. Do you like football? Do

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Speaker 1: you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well,

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Speaker 1: I talk about it all on the show. I used

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Speaker 1: to work for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I

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Speaker 1: give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that

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Speaker 1: goes on the NFL. And you know we're talking college

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Speaker 1: football because of how important the draft is year round.

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Speaker 1: Listen at the Three and Out Podcast with me John

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Speaker 1: Middlecop on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Richard Jefferson, ESPN, NBA Analyst, Yes, Network

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Speaker 1: NETS analyst, NBA champ with the Cavs joining us from

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Speaker 1: mid Money. Richard, thanks for joining us. I was just

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Speaker 1: talking to the Danets about shooting underhand. If I had

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Speaker 1: said to Shack or some of these other players who struggle, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can make seventy five percent of your free throws,

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Speaker 1: but you got to shoot underhand. How many guys do

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Speaker 1: you think would be willing to do that? In a game. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I think it takes more

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Speaker 1: courage to do that because I think you're you're already

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Speaker 1: having to deal with people making fun of you because

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Speaker 1: you shoot fifty eight percent and you're going, you know,

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Speaker 1: brick in every free throw. So you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: all about self confidence in those moments because you know

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Speaker 1: you're gonna make seventy five, but you actually might get

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Speaker 1: more heat than you will from just shooting normal free throws.

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Speaker 1: But inn't that interesting that you would rather be embarrassed

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Speaker 1: in a different way than like, if I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be embarrassed, I'd rather be embarrassed in succeeding than in failure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That that was the ultimate conversation between Billy Hoyle and

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Speaker 1: Sydney Dean. He's like, I know who you are. You'd

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Speaker 1: rather look you'd rather look good and play bad and

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Speaker 1: play bad and look good. A white men can't jump

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Speaker 1: reference there, all right? So you had firsthand great view

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Speaker 1: front row seat when Lebron had is h you know

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Speaker 1: this chasdown block on andret you Gudala in the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 1: and then you were there last night with what Jannis

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Speaker 1: did to DeAndre Aden better drop better block to you

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Speaker 1: was which one very different? I think Jannis's block in

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Speaker 1: game one was closer because it was the same it

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Speaker 1: was as a chakedown. The difference is, it's what makes

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Speaker 1: both of those blocks those special and so unique is

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Speaker 1: the time in which they happened, right the time in

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Speaker 1: which they happened, the moment in the game, the moment

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Speaker 1: in the series. So if we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: more impressive block, it's definitely broad because it meant more

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Speaker 1: at the time of it a minute ago in a

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Speaker 1: game seven, you know, down three one, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: If you're talking about how many people on the planet

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Speaker 1: could go do what somebody did, and that's the yannest

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Speaker 1: block because there's only maybe two players that can be backtracking,

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Speaker 1: hand up, turn around, see the lab go up one

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Speaker 1: to go get it against the number one pick that's

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Speaker 1: seven feet in athletic DeAndre eight and it was technically

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Speaker 1: perfect and it was physically only three people in the

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Speaker 1: world can do that. So it's like the combination is

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Speaker 1: what made that so special. What was the huddle like

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Speaker 1: after Lebron had that block against Agudala, I kid you not?

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Speaker 1: I kid you not? In seven, after the seven games

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Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. That was the first time

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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, we're gonna win this. I kid you not,

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Speaker 1: because it was back and forth and everyone knows and

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Speaker 1: everyone's talked about that game and it's one of the

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Speaker 1: more dissected series, but it was like that was the

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Speaker 1: first moment where I was like, oh, wait, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: win this because it was like now the time was

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Speaker 1: running out. Now was becoming a one two possession game.

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Speaker 1: We had the ball, you know, and it was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: what are we gonna draw? Where we're gonna do because

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Speaker 1: at that moment we had control. It becomes like that,

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Speaker 1: it becomes that free throw time game. You can look

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Speaker 1: and see like, well, we're even if we miss and

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Speaker 1: they score, we're gonna get a second chance. So like,

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Speaker 1: we're in control right now. This is the first time

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Speaker 1: in the entire series that we were in control and

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Speaker 1: it was like a minute to go. Did Lebron say

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Speaker 1: anything in the huddle? No. I think that's when they

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Speaker 1: were talking about trying to get the ball to Kyrie,

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Speaker 1: trying to get step on them. That was the difference

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Speaker 1: for us is trying to get step in more pick

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Speaker 1: and rolls because the Warrior's defense was so impeccable with Draymond,

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Speaker 1: you know, helming it and Andre and those guys and Clay.

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Speaker 1: You have three basically all first team defenders on that roster,

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Speaker 1: and so trying to get Step in it not that

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Speaker 1: you know, Steph led the league and steals, not the

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Speaker 1: step can't play defense, but that was one of the

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Speaker 1: small advantages that you might have and so got Kyrie

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the rest was history. Dame Lillard

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Speaker 1: tweeted in real time last night after the Jannis block

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Speaker 1: that Jannis just won the game for them, even though

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Speaker 1: there was a little over a minute to go. That like,

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Speaker 1: I'm always curious what happens after a big play or

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Speaker 1: somebody gives up a home run or if somebody gets,

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Speaker 1: you know, a long touchdown path. That to me where

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Speaker 1: it kind of it's it's you just took a punch

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Speaker 1: from Tyson because you're like, wait a minute, what we

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Speaker 1: were going to tie this up with a dunk and

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Speaker 1: it could have gone the other way, Richard, where it's like,

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Speaker 1: we just dunked on the Greek freak and now there's

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Speaker 1: momentum with Phoenix there and you just survived a questionable call.

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Speaker 1: With Devin Booker not getting called for the foul against Holiday,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'd be talking a whole different game

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Speaker 1: today if Phoenix had won that, and we would be

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Speaker 1: looking back on that dunk in a different way. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I'm wondering, where's all that

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Speaker 1: conversation now about oh, Scott Foster and oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: questionable foul call them. It's like, wait a second, I want.

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Speaker 1: I want the same people that were playing about Janisa's

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Speaker 1: seventeen three votes when nobody else on his team shot

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Speaker 1: more than three, and you're questioning they're officiating now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're a guy that's got forty points,

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Speaker 1: You're all NBA guy, You're Olympian death should have fouled

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Speaker 1: out on the road and didn't. You're not if you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna if you're going to complain about the officials here,

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Speaker 1: recognize that this goes both ways. That's why I have

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Speaker 1: to put very little stock unless it's overly glaring. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about an overall record. When one referee

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Speaker 1: coaches one player, I'm not talking about any of that nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about overall. There are things that go both

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Speaker 1: ways for you when you add human error or mistakes

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Speaker 1: into those situations. But yeah, we would be looking at

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Speaker 1: this series very very differently. But the key thing about

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Speaker 1: what people don't understand is that it's momentum, and it's

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Speaker 1: momentum within quarters, it's momentum within games, and it's momentum

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Speaker 1: within series. So that play gave them the momentum in

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Speaker 1: the game because it was so so much late, it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, want to change, and then it helped gave

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Speaker 1: them momentum in the series. So there's like a domino

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Speaker 1: effect and now it's their job to maintain it and

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Speaker 1: it's Phoenix's job to slow it down. He's Richard Jefferson

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Speaker 1: ESPN NBA analysts joining us from Milwaukee. What is it

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Speaker 1: like when you're guarding a star and you didn't do anything,

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Speaker 1: but you still get whistled for a foul? You know

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Speaker 1: what it's It's it's expected, it's expected. You know that

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Speaker 1: there's there's part of your role and depending on who

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Speaker 1: you are, there's guys like t J. Tucker, Patrick Fevley,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, you know guys that are known as

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Speaker 1: defensive players that they'll get away with more, they'll get

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Speaker 1: away with more than than other defensive players just you know,

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green's one of them. But when you're guarding those guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to understand, ever since we were

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Speaker 1: twelve years old, you try your best, and someone's just better. Right,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're in college. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if you're in high school or when you get to

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Speaker 1: the pros. Like I had to guard Kevin Duranton finals,

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Speaker 1: you know, as I've had to guard in the finals

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. It's not a lot of fun, guys, It's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of fun. Right. There's certain days where

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, well screw it. I tried. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who would you rather guard? Who would you rather guard?

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Speaker 1: Out of those two at their peak? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because for Kobe there was there was something about it

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Speaker 1: where it's like he wanted to take your soul, so

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Speaker 1: you felt like it wasn't like he just wanted to

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Speaker 1: score on you. He also wanted to look you in

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Speaker 1: the eye while he was doing it. We're like Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant just you're like, well, there's nothing I can do,

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Speaker 1: like like just the physical like like attributes that this

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Speaker 1: guy has on two k wouldn't even be allowed. But

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Speaker 1: Durant doesn't do any talking. I'm sure Kobe was talking exactly,

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Speaker 1: but this is what I'm saying. Kevin Durant is more

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Speaker 1: unguardable than Kobe. Right, It's more unguardable, and that's Kobe

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Speaker 1: was a ridiculous offensive weapon. But understand this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking trash about Kobe. Of all the top five scorers,

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Speaker 1: he was at least a fig so he took the

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Speaker 1: most shot. I think he missed more shots than anybody

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Speaker 1: in NBA history. He took more more shots to get

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Speaker 1: to those points where Kevin Durant is one of the

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Speaker 1: most efficient scores in that I don't know, didn't think

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Speaker 1: he's in the top ten. Eventually he'll be at all

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Speaker 1: those numbers. But he's one of the most efficient guys,

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Speaker 1: especially from the perimeter, to be on that list. So

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Speaker 1: it's like, how do you want it. Do you want

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Speaker 1: a guy that's going to shoot thirty five shots and

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Speaker 1: try and take your soul or do you want a

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Speaker 1: guy that's going to shoot eighteen shots and you're just like,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't miss. This guy just doesn't miss what you

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Speaker 1: want me to do? Do you still do you hold

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Speaker 1: a beef against anybody? A grudge? Are you mad at

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Speaker 1: anybody that you played against? If I do, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it. I wouldn't say it because any

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Speaker 1: beef that I had, any beef that I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of, it had to do with less about basketball

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Speaker 1: and more about and because like basketball, beef is kind

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Speaker 1: of like a frustrating it's a playing like I can't

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Speaker 1: fan Chane Battier and Jay Will because they beat me

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Speaker 1: when I was in the National Championship game. But anything

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Speaker 1: like anything that gets past that, there's any real beef

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Speaker 1: is because there was something that was probably a line

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Speaker 1: that was crossed, and you know, we'll just keep those

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Speaker 1: between the lines. Are you you know when you lose

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Speaker 1: that game? Is Jay Will? Is he allowed to brag

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Speaker 1: to you? Like how often does that come up where

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Speaker 1: somebody goes, remember the National Ziono game? Or I bring

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Speaker 1: it up? Nine times out of ten? Would we're around

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Speaker 1: each other? So because you know, it does validate me

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Speaker 1: being mean to him or meat cracking jokes and with

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Speaker 1: him or me just you know, messing with him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But now, man, it's a competitive thing. It

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Speaker 1: really is like there are people that you still like genuinely.

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Speaker 1: You're just like, look, I'll be professional, especially in this

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Speaker 1: industry now that we're in the broadcast boot, I'll be professional.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, there's definitely there's always going to be

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Speaker 1: beefs that that never leave. That's just part of what's

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Speaker 1: ingrained in us. I Also, one thing I've been bringing

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Speaker 1: up all morning long is if I factor in where

847
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Janis was a couple of weeks ago where he had

848
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Speaker 1: that hyper extended knee. Richard and you know, I had

849
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: guys who had the Channing Fry said, I don't think

850
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: he plays again like I've had that injury. It's six weeks.

851
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: The fact that he had that injury and he did

852
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: what he did last night and what he's doing in

853
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: the finals. I don't know if people have truly talked

854
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: about that. Even if you don't have the injury to

855
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: do what he did last night, and then you factor

856
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: in the injury and they had the wherewithal to go,

857
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to go up there and try to get

858
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: this and then actually get that block. You got a

859
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: factor in the knee, Well you have to fact but

860
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: it was like the first game. You can see that

861
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: he was still just testing it out, and him testing

862
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: out his knee was twenty and fifteen, right, and then

863
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: once he felt comfortable with his knees, all right, it's

864
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: time to go to work. And you know that was

865
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: just a confidence. Is his knee probably a one hundred percent?

866
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to talk about a knee when

867
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: you've gone back to back forty point games. I was

868
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: used to talk about your knee. I'll applaud you, I'll

869
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: recognize the fact that you did that after they're missing

870
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: a week, but I'm not going to And you know

871
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: what's crazy is sometimes when you have that type of

872
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: injury and I'm not this is not a positive, but

873
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: you have to find the silver lining. The rest of

874
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: your body gets rested. You look at Chris Paul in

875
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: this series or in the last five games, he went

876
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: from like forty one to thirty three to twenty two

877
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: to nineteen to whatever he had last night. Every single

878
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: game he's gotten worse statistically, including the turnovers from last game.

879
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: So you look at it and you could see statistically

880
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: it looks like he's wearing down. Where all of a sudden,

881
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: you get Yannis a week break where the rest of

882
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: his body can relax, his muscles can recover all of

883
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: the things. And don't forget he's called the Greek freak.

884
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: At twenty six years old, you can literally stab yourself

885
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: in the leg with a knife, pull it out, then

886
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: watch it heal in real time. That's what happens when

887
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: you're that young, and especially when you're a physical specimen

888
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: like him. We don't recommend that, by the way, for

889
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: anybody who's no, no, no, no, no no, only only only

890
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: Yanni and do that. I'm not. This is a scientific experiment.

891
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: It's been proven. There's like eight guys in history that

892
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: can heal that quickly. All right, Monnie Williams has a

893
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: decision to make on what you do with Chris Paul,

894
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: because I do love the Bucks and Drew Holliday picking

895
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: him up three quarters court and making him work a

896
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: little bit more so, what kind of pressure is Chris

897
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: Paul facing here this next game? He's facing a ton

898
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll go into archives and I'll give

899
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: you an example. My first year in Cleveland, obviously I'm

900
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: an idiot. My first year in San Antonio, we played

901
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: against Jason Kidd and he wasn't with Dallas. They were

902
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: the two seed, and Jason Kidd was an older point guard,

903
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: very similar. You would never dare pick up Chris Paul.

904
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: You would never dare pick up Jason Kidd. But once

905
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: you pick those guys up, right, because a lot of

906
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: times you give them that respect, but once you pick

907
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: them up, they view it as disrespect. But they don't

908
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: have the same motor at thirty two and at twenty eight.

909
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden you see them wearing down.

910
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: And what's so crazy is that they're wearing He's wearing

911
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: down with two days rest, and we're gonna stay wearing down.

912
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay wearing down because God knows. We don't

913
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: want to say, is Chris Paul getting nervous? Is Chris

914
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: Paul just squeezing on too tight? Because we've seen this before.

915
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: We've seen this over the course of his career. To

916
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: be so close to the mountaintop, so close to the

917
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: conference finals, so close to the NBA Finals, now so

918
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: close to a championship, and all of a sudden you

919
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: start to see some weird things like some of these turnovers,

920
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: like these weren't wearing down. These were turnovers that were

921
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: very uncharacteristic of a person of his caliber at the

922
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: highest of moments. So don't be surprised if over the

923
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: next forty eight hours you start to hear is Chris

924
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: Paul getting nervous? Is Chris Paul starting to become Clipper

925
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: Chris Paul? Is it starting to become Houston Chris Paul.

926
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: That's what you're going to start hearing over the next

927
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. So Chris Paul has a lot to

928
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: think about and digest, and I think all of the

929
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: pressure falls on the Phoenix Suns in this moment. Great stuff, Richard.

930
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time, safe travels. Thanks for joining us.

931
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: Dan such a huge fan man, thanks for having I

932
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: gotta give a shoutut to my guy Sully. He was

933
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: excited when he found out that I was gonna be

934
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: on your show. Awesome, Thank you, Thank you, Sully. Richard Jefferson,

935
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: the Mothership analyst and Yes network analysts with the Nets

936
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: and also won a championship with Lebron Beat and Boston

937
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: joins US bad. What's on your mind today? Hey, jan

938
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you for all the

939
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: years of I've gone through six knee replacements, going through

940
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: another one in August. Second just amazing. And I can't

941
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: pay my knees anymore, but I could shoot free throws

942
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: better than your Janni's could. Wait, you're on your third

943
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: knee replacement, six six? How many knees do you have?

944
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: I think I have full lengths? Now. Wow, I barely

945
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: got through my my one knee replacement. You believe you

946
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: took my phone call. I'm so appreciative. It's I've been

947
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: trying for years to get through to you, since two

948
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. I finally found you on MSNBC and

949
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: YouTube and Alish and then I finally found you on wherever.

950
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: But you guys have made my life amazing. Well, thank you, Bete,

951
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: and good luck with that next surgery. Once again we

952
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: dominate with guys who can't get up to change the TV.

953
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean we do you have six knee surgeries? We're

954
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: here for yes? Yes, yeah, I mean I don't. I don't,

955
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, root for somebody to have another knee surgery,

956
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: another knee replacement. But if you do, we're here for you. See.

957
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I just love that. Right now, at this very moment,

958
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of incapacitated people that are like, he's

959
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: not wrong, he is not wrong. If I could only

960
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: get up and change the channel, I would, although I

961
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: just sounded like Jimmy Stewart. Sorry, sorry, well that sir Potter. Yes,

962
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: and all these surgeons and physical therapists are taking credit

963
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: for all these great healing when it's actually them just

964
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: listening to you. Thank you. Yes, we should be getting

965
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot more advertising from you know, like hospitals in

966
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: the medical community. I mean like we're crushing right now.

967
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Some of our fans are getting elective surgeries just so

968
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: they could stay home for a stretch and watch us.

969
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: I just gallbladder. I don't need it. Yes, I didn't

970
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: know we were on MSNBC. We weren't. Remember. It was

971
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: so annoying we get bumped for the election. No, no, no no,

972
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: it's in NBC. Yah. Scarborough always arguing no, are we

973
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: that hard to find? My way? We might be. You

974
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: know what, we're playing hard to get. That's it's that

975
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: we're hard to find. We're playing hard to get.