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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallie and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment and a strange now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: tuned in to kJ Live. Today's guests on the show.

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Speaker 1: Is a graduate of Morningside High School and played for

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest basketball team in the history of

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Speaker 1: southern California. He also played at a high level at

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Speaker 1: Washington State, then on to Mexico State, and ended up

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Speaker 1: playing pro for a few years in Israel, Austria and

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Speaker 1: other countries. Let's welcome in Dominic Ellison to the show.

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Speaker 1: What's up down Man? Thank you for having me brother.

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Speaker 1: Everything is good, man, every everything is great. Bro. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since we've connected, bro Um. I talked

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Speaker 1: to Stacey Bozeman, your high school teammate, your boy a

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Speaker 1: few it's back. He was on the show, Man, so

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Speaker 1: it was great to catch up with him. You actually

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Speaker 1: came up on the podcast. It's nice to finally reconnect.

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Speaker 1: Just got the news man l a Times front page.

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Speaker 1: Your name, the head coach of your alma mater, the

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Speaker 1: legendary Morningside High School. Talk about what that means to

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Speaker 1: you and what your mission is at morning Side that

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all about the mission, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: and obviously it means a lot to me personally because

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's rooted. Uh you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's here. Uh. I was there, Um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: was one of these young men trying to make it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So my my, my admission, my initial and the most

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Speaker 1: important mission here is giving back to the kids and

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Speaker 1: and helping them with that same opportunity that was kind

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Speaker 1: of bleak for me. You know, hopefully I can bridge

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Speaker 1: that gap between what they don't know, you know now

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Speaker 1: and what's ahead of them in the future. So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know that's the main mission. The main mission is

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Speaker 1: all given back. You know. It isn't about anything else, um,

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Speaker 1: but to help these young men and women and student

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Speaker 1: athletes you know, achieves to achieve their goal stair dreams.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is solely about that. And then and

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Speaker 1: on top of that, you know, going back home where

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Speaker 1: it all started for me is really the magic. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it has to be special Man Morningside. Throughout history,

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Speaker 1: so thirty forty fifty sixty years has always been regarded

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Speaker 1: as as one of the top programs. My old college coach,

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Speaker 1: Jim Herrick used to coach at Morning Side. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't even know that. Back in the day,

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Speaker 1: they were number one in the country, Jackie Robinson, all

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Speaker 1: kind of dudes, and so a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: know that. And then we fast forward and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there was guys in the seventies and eighties that I'm

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Speaker 1: missing out. But but the era that I remember most

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Speaker 1: vividly was your era when the you guys had two movies,

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Speaker 1: the Morningside of five. But Hardwood Dreams was the first

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Speaker 1: one that came out right or yeah, so so so

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Speaker 1: Hardwood Dreams number one, Um, happened in ninety three and

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Speaker 1: ninety three. We had just won the state in ninety two,

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Speaker 1: brought some attention, and in ninety three they came and

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Speaker 1: grabbed the story. Um that was Hardwood Dreams one. And

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Speaker 1: I'm really close to the producers now after all of this,

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Speaker 1: and uh uh tall as as Mike Tallers as producer,

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Speaker 1: he actually did the Georgan story and you know, did

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Speaker 1: all kind of crazy good stuff. So he's a good

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. Um. He he had this idea of

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Speaker 1: so he does it every ten years. He came and

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Speaker 1: you know around when we were twenty seven years old,

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Speaker 1: then you know, we were like around thirty seven years

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Speaker 1: been it's been like thirty years of that particular production

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Speaker 1: following you know, you know, and it originally it was

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Speaker 1: now ESPN picked it up. So, um there's some momentum

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Speaker 1: there for the program for the community. Obviously they're interested

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Speaker 1: in continuing that story now because I'm you know, organically

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Speaker 1: your point on Jim Herrick man, Um, you know, he

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Speaker 1: at that point. I had no idea kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: was different. Um. So Jim Herrick technically in my in

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Speaker 1: my lifetime, in my readings, he put Morning Side on

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Speaker 1: the map. Um. What people fail to realize is he

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Speaker 1: had Morning Side having the number one team in the nation.

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Speaker 1: I think they wanted like a forty five forty five

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Speaker 1: his career. And then Carl Franklin Um basically came in

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Speaker 1: sposed men and myself and Dwight Curry and the whole

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Speaker 1: all of us for for twenty he was there for

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Speaker 1: and put them put the put the school on the map. Um.

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Speaker 1: And now it's my turn to see what I can

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Speaker 1: do on the program. You know, put my put my

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Speaker 1: that you're giving us that breakdown. Playing for coach Herrick

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Speaker 1: Morningside High School. You always say, Johnson, I bet you

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Speaker 1: didn't know how coached that Morningside. I say what He's like,

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Speaker 1: we were number one in the country, And I say what, coach?

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Speaker 1: You want to know what? No one knows that I mean,

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Speaker 1: removed a little bit from the nown generation. Um, they

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Speaker 1: that culture back to where it all began. Your childhood.

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Speaker 1: I know your Inglewood guy. Were you born and raised

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Speaker 1: I did hearthor in high school for my first two

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Speaker 1: you know, so ironically we played Hawthorn played morning Side

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Speaker 1: and I was playing against Stace Bows man, all my

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Speaker 1: you see there was Ali? You've been on us? And

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Speaker 1: Then my dad had this genius idea after my sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: Back then, folks used to look at your level of competition.

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Speaker 1: Like around the same time pressure, we had metal detectors

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Speaker 1: It was a lot. It was a lot more distractions

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Speaker 1: would have grew up. Ma, just just you wake up,

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Speaker 1: make a decision whether you whether you was gonna go

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Speaker 1: a retirement kind of thing. Uh but um, but but

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Speaker 1: now I want to get active in the community, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to get active in the community, want to

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Speaker 1: get act the sports, wanna get back. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the you know, a slope up and the

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Speaker 1: kind of server a plateault. I've been doing that for

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Speaker 1: about ten twelve years now. I left that firm in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, and I've been independent doing my

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Speaker 1: own stuff for about ten about ten years. Yeah, I

435
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Speaker 1: mean when I saw you, they featured you, I think

436
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Speaker 1: it was on the Morning Side five one where you know,

437
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Speaker 1: they were showing you kind of in the office, hanging

438
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Speaker 1: out with your with your colleagues and just the banter

439
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Speaker 1: bro Like I know, I know you and we all chameleons. Okay,

440
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Speaker 1: we all chameleons, and we've all me and you specifically

441
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Speaker 1: have always been able to be chameleons. Like probably not

442
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Speaker 1: a lot of dudes can in our area. I'm just

443
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Speaker 1: gonna keep it a hunted with you. Okay, so so too.

444
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Speaker 1: But to see it and like just you was doing that,

445
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Speaker 1: I forgot what you were doing, but it resonated with

446
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Speaker 1: me so like, and this is gonna sound like some

447
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Speaker 1: nerdy ship down, but this like you created an Excel

448
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Speaker 1: sheet and you did something on the excel. You had

449
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Speaker 1: your color coded and you had formulas, or you did

450
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Speaker 1: something real fly Bro. When I first learned how to

451
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Speaker 1: do that, I felt like and I didn't learn how

452
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Speaker 1: to do it. I was thirty eight, thirty nine. I

453
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Speaker 1: felt like the man, like I like I was. I

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Speaker 1: had a winter from fifty You feel you feel like

455
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Speaker 1: the man when you create a bomb massic seal sheet.

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Speaker 1: Yes you understand. I'm watching it, though I'm like, I

457
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Speaker 1: look at it. I'm speaking out over your Excel sheet, Bro,

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Speaker 1: I swear I was on it. So everybody in the

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Speaker 1: office was like, hey, look what the look what there?

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Speaker 1: You know? Look, I was the only brother in the

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Speaker 1: entire verb um, the only the only brother in the

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Speaker 1: firm that worked on accounts. Um. The other brothers were

463
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Speaker 1: in different areas of the firm, but they didn't work

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Speaker 1: in the on the accounts which is the money you

465
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Speaker 1: know room or you know other services? Should I say,

466
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Speaker 1: and um, very very cool story is how I got

467
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Speaker 1: that job? Is um? Coaching at brent With High School.

468
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Speaker 1: You never know how things happened. I was an assistant

469
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Speaker 1: coach at Brentwood High School and met a met a

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Speaker 1: gentleman um Um that was uh that went to Brentwood

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Speaker 1: and um, you know, he was coaching pro bono. Um,

472
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Speaker 1: didn't need any stipend or anything like that. And through

473
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Speaker 1: our season and we became like really really close. And

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about like opposite cultures here one opposite cultures

475
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Speaker 1: Morningside High School brent With School, like totally opposite. And

476
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Speaker 1: he learned a lot from me from my culture, and

477
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Speaker 1: I learned a ton from him and his culture. And

478
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, life after basketball

479
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Speaker 1: in transition of what I'm gonna be doing next, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: kind of staying attached to it, but not really like

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Speaker 1: full on like I'm gonna be now. And I was

482
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Speaker 1: reaching out to resource and say, hey, man, you don't

483
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Speaker 1: need a job. I'm trying to do this. I'm in

484
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Speaker 1: school at the time. I was in my master's program,

485
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Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, if you could make

486
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Speaker 1: a call to anyone, anyone, I was just hungry. And

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Speaker 1: he made a call to his cousin who knew the

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Speaker 1: boss or the partner in charge at the firm that

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Speaker 1: I ended up working for, and uh, he made the connection.

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Speaker 1: And I waited for two years and the guy that

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Speaker 1: connected me with the partner in charge gave me a

492
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Speaker 1: call and said, you know, are you still on the market.

493
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: I said yes, and he said when you can you start?

494
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: And I said tomorrow and he hired me. And that

495
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Speaker 1: guy has been a mentor in my life. He's become

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Speaker 1: a business partner. He's become an investor in my business.

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Speaker 1: And I worked under him for seven years and then

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Speaker 1: now he became a partner in my company, raised millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars from my business, and now I have that resource. Um.

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Speaker 1: And his name is King Colo. He works at the firm.

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, Um, So through these small connections, man,

502
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Speaker 1: you know, and if you keep your head on straight

503
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: and you build, you know, something's happen. And you know,

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00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: you know that job, My only job came through relationship,

505
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: through basketball. So you just never know what happens in

506
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Speaker 1: this world. Uh. You just gotta be ready, um, and

507
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: you gotta keep up. UM. So I'm blessed and only

508
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Speaker 1: tell that story because, um, you know the last ten

509
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Speaker 1: years of my life has been a tribute to that

510
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Speaker 1: small connection at Brentwood and that friend of mine who's

511
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Speaker 1: still friends today that helped propel me and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: help me in my life. Man. So that's as a

513
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Speaker 1: touch you as a touch you on for me because

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Speaker 1: it came through a very very small, small window. But

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Speaker 1: my life for the last fifteen years. Oh yeah. Man.

516
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the things that impact you the most they don't

517
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Speaker 1: seem like they're big deal at first. I mean I

518
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Speaker 1: had a situation that I got involved with the two

519
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Speaker 1: thousand and eleven with a tech company out of Salt Clito, California.

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: But I met the guy through Steve Lavin. I happened

521
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Speaker 1: to be working laughs Camp Basketball camp out in New York.

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Speaker 1: This guy had an iPad, an iPhone app. He was

523
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Speaker 1: trying to get off. You know, you can do the

524
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Speaker 1: digital scouting, take photos, audio, man the whole night, you know,

525
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: shoot it up to the cloud. You know that print

526
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: out reports, PDF, shot charts. So he's he's trying to

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Speaker 1: sell Lab on becoming sort of like a spokesman for

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Speaker 1: this or being endorsed the product or whatever. So lab

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Speaker 1: wanted me to come along because I had in two

530
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, I had tried to develop an iPhone

531
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Speaker 1: video game with a company called Artificial Life out of

532
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Speaker 1: Hong Kong. So we had t o Manny Pakia, you

533
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Speaker 1: know all in talks to make some games. So I

534
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: had to do a bunch of just downloading of research

535
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Speaker 1: in my brain about you know, Apple, the Apple code,

536
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Speaker 1: the iPhone? What time it was? Hi hi Hi I

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Speaker 1: work So anyway, I'm well versed when by the time

538
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Speaker 1: this meeting comes with this guy is named by that

539
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Speaker 1: guy by the name of Greg. Greg gets is impressed.

540
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Speaker 1: I have a command on everything he's talking about. This dude,

541
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Speaker 1: hw tire me. I worked for him for seven and

542
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Speaker 1: a half years after that, traveled all over the country

543
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Speaker 1: when him went to the m I T Conference, Sloan

544
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: Sports Analytics Conference several times. Bro. But just to your

545
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: point about these small connections through basketball, it's like, if

546
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Speaker 1: you're at the right place at the right time, and

547
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: you understand how to deal with people in a positive way,

548
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: you can get far. And that's one of the things

549
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: that as a mentor, one of my first things I

550
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: talked to kids about. Man, it's it's how to nourish, cultivate,

551
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: and maintain lifelong relationships with folks. Man, it is, it

552
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: really isn't. And you know I learned that late. Um,

553
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I can't lie me too, bro, me too, Bro. I

554
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Speaker 1: really did, Like I really learned that late. And and

555
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, once you learn it, you just

556
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Speaker 1: hone it, you know. But but that's like, you know,

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00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: that's part of message, you know, of giving back in

558
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: the community and like telling these kids are important, you know,

559
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Speaker 1: because I still got let me. I'm sure you've got

560
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: all these relationships for twenty thirty years. I mean, look

561
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: how we can do it. You know we can yesterday. Um,

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00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: you know if I've seen your pops out and it's

563
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: just like yesterday, these relationships don't really go anywhere. They

564
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: just they just they just maintain that value. And uh

565
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: and like you said, it can take you a long way.

566
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: So I'm blessed to have that happen. And then, you know,

567
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Speaker 1: being in this situation is a big deal for me.

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Speaker 1: So I can pass along some of the stuff that

569
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Speaker 1: we've been through. I mean, you know, if it ain't

570
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: at us, you know, it's the next one, so it

571
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: might as well be us. So yeah, I think teaching

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00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: these kids about just insane work ethic is a good start,

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00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: because you know, work ethic takes takes care of a

574
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Speaker 1: lot of things. You know, you can cover up a

575
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of just you know, deficiencies and inefficiencies or whatever.

576
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: But if your asses there, you clock it in and

577
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you're doing them twelve fourteen hours everyday consistency, it's gonna

578
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: be a level of respect for you that others won't get. Um.

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk to I wanted to find

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Speaker 1: out something. So Kelvin Sampson recruited me heavy at watching

581
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: this state. Okay, he was rocking with me. He's rocking

582
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: with my game. He was calling me all the time.

583
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I love that dude, I literally I was. I wanted

584
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: to go because I loved him. I was curious, how

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00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: not about the basketball park, because I always got a

586
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: sense about Kelvin from a basketball's perspective, but I've always

587
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: curious about how he handled you guys off the court

588
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: as as a coach. How was your experience playing for

589
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: him off the um? You know, I was seventeen and um.

590
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you are battling understanding who you are

591
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: and someone challenges you, you don't know if it's for

592
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: the good or bad. Right. Um, but but what you do,

593
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: what you what coach did and still is from a

594
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: basketball perspective, is you know you kind of like how

595
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: to either love or hate to do. Because he was gonna,

596
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: he was gonna get in your stuff, he demanded. He

597
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: didn't all he really and he didn't get this. You

598
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: didn't get this while you were like, you know when

599
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: he's talking to you, you don't really get it like

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00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: that because you're young. You're trying to figure it out. Um,

601
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: but all he really, really truly wanted you to do

602
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: from a basketball perspective, what's to play your hardest. And

603
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: you know how hard that is to get out of

604
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: a young man when he thinks he's nice, right and

605
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: he he wants to turn it on. When he wants

606
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: to turn it on, is going look, I get it,

607
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: but that doesn't work here. You surrender you you have

608
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: to surrender to me as a coach and excuse me

609
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: as as a player. You have to surrender to me

610
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: as a coach because there's no other way. And if

611
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: you get as a young man, you know, you know,

612
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: learning your much and you battle that you're like, man,

613
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: oh man, why are you always on my head? You know,

614
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: are you always on my back breath. But no, what

615
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: he was doing is bringing out the best in you,

616
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: because if you don't play hard, we won't know ever.

617
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: And it's not a light switch. So on a basketball

618
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: court with Kelvin did is he brought the best out

619
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: of us because he demanded us to play hard. If

620
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: you watch Houston University today, they play hard. They may

621
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: not do a whole lot of stuff on offense, coach,

622
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: don't don't don't kill me here, coach, if you hear this,

623
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff like other programs on offense,

624
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: but you look at that rebounding category or loose ball

625
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: category 's twenty on guys, they play hard. That's really

626
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: their bread of us. Now, that guy confused with off

627
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: the court because you didn't know if the dude liked

628
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: you or loved you, because you were still in your feelings.

629
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: You you was like, oh, I don't know if I

630
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: should approach it do I'm I'm kind still mad at

631
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: him because he made me run or he was talking

632
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: about how soft thought was, which we can't do these days. Um.

633
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: But then people tell you when a coach stops talking

634
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: to you, you need to be worried. Yeah, you need

635
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to be worried. He was always talking with me. He cared,

636
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: he carred, carried to care um, and I was, I was.

637
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I was a little young because I only had Kelvin

638
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: for one year. Um, then Kevin Eastman came. Kevin alright,

639
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: but it feels like I played for Kelvin for four years.

640
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I talked to Kelvin last week. Um, you know, Kelvin

641
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: at forty at forty six. I love Kelvin because now

642
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, he is better off the court

643
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: then he is on the court because he cares and

644
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't you draw, You can't really put

645
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: those together from a basketball perspective at seventeen and off

646
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: the court because you're like my child, dude. You know

647
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: it's like you know your parents like, oh, go talk

648
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: to your teacher after class, right, good place you with

649
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: the teacher. You'll learn more. And you know, talk to

650
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: my teacher. It was the same thing with Kelvins. I

651
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: want to start. I want to stay farther, farthest away

652
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: from him. When I was younger because I felt I'm

653
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: mad at this dude. You know, if I if I

654
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: just dudes, gonna talk to some ship. But as you

655
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: grow older. You know, if you look at his staff today,

656
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: they all us. They all like, if if you know,

657
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: like you was coaching, like you was coaching, you would

658
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: be with you would be with Lavatory, you would be

659
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: whoever you were with. And he's a family dude. He

660
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: takes care of his own. He cares about his players.

661
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: All of us have relationships with Keilsman. Um. And I

662
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: only have one year with him, um, and it feels

663
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: like it feels like I've been in with the dude

664
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: for four years. He he claims, you know that I

665
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: was the best point guard he's ever had bart regardless

666
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: of whoever went to the NBA or not. He just

667
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: feels in his heart and I was one of his

668
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: best point guards, which is attribute to the honor for

669
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: me because he's a Hall of Famer. Um. So that

670
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: was the thing Like off the court, the dude is,

671
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the dude is like his heart is huge for for

672
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: his dudes, you know what I mean. He's really he's

673
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: really a true dude. And uh, you know, and I'm

674
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: and I'm pleasing honor to say that. You know, I

675
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: can call coach right now and you know, and it's

676
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: like it's like a mentor it's like a big brother,

677
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: it's like an uncle, like he can't do anything in

678
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: his power to help and assistant support when a lot

679
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: of guys may not pick up the phone, you know

680
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: they too be He's he's big time. Now, you know

681
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: he's big time. He's different than it was. But he

682
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: was coaching at Watchington State, I'll tell you that. But um,

683
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: he's really earned his positions. Mason decisions, and you know

684
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: it's cost him in certain places, but you know, we

685
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: all gotta pick up and keep it rolling in. And

686
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm proud of coach, absolutely glad to see him get

687
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: a second chance. And and this time around he's he's

688
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: actually he's really shocked me. She shocked the hell out

689
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: of me. And I knew Houston had the resources, and

690
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I knew Houston was like an up and coming situation,

691
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: but I did not realize there's be in the final

692
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: four last or two years ago whenever they made it,

693
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: and then last year they looked great in the tournament.

694
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Big big time job by by Coach Sampson. Fox Sports

695
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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. Now, after Washington State, you

699
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: went to New Mexico State and played for a year,

700
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: then you finished in New Mexico and now you're on

701
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: the NBA radar are and you're looking at playing professionally.

702
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: What was how far did the NBA journey take you?

703
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Did you get a training camp where you playing next

704
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: ahibitions season? And then how like how important was it

705
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: to you personally to make the league? You know, So

706
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: I'll take it back, like you know, I was uh

707
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: my my sophomore year, I led the pack and assists

708
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: and that I felt was like the hottest time of

709
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: my career. Yeah, right, Like although I went on to

710
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: play pro and I had a couple of tea in

711
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: the league and the workouts, I think the hottest time

712
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: of my career was was during that sophomore season and

713
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: that had three individual workouts on campus at Washington State

714
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: and the first was the Supersilis because they were the

715
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: closest to the campus and uh Casey came down and

716
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: worked me out with uh with Tim who was Tim's

717
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: last night had me like, I mean, he was the

718
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: workout king at that time. So I got a taste,

719
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, but I was only like eighteen. I just

720
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: turned eighteen. As the song where I was young, because

721
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I was young and Tim, I had

722
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Tim and Casey and they put it on me and

723
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, ship, like this is a

724
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: different level. So that was the first workout, and then

725
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: I had another workout by Utah, and then I had

726
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: a workout by the Spurs, all in the same like

727
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: three weeks before weeks span and they worked me and

728
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Isai Fontein now uh Mark Hendrickson. Oh yeah, so that

729
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: was kind of like our thing and uh, three different positions,

730
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And we had the workouts so that

731
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: I felt was the hottest. And then um, I transferred.

732
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: And then when I transferred, I felt like, Okay, now

733
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm in my right class because I was up a season.

734
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be in ninetything supposed to me.

735
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: So then I went to the Mental State. I had

736
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: an okay season. Um I got a Newcomer of the Year. Uh,

737
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the pack. It was different playing against

738
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd and Tias and Bresen and Stays and Cameron

739
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Murray and you know, it was just Salon and uh,

740
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: I did okay, but I don't. I didn't think it

741
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: was powerful enough to get drafted, right, So you know,

742
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I did what everybody else. They got an agent and

743
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: I was told, okay, you might be in the second

744
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: late second rounder. Um. If not, you know, we have

745
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: these trade agreements and again, get you in the camp

746
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: and all that kind of like secondary stuff. So it

747
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: wasn't just a clear dog you're gonna get drafted, um,

748
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of us have to do that. So

749
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: after that, once I realized I wasn't gonna you know,

750
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: walk in there there, I was like, okay, what's planning

751
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: B And I was talking to a lot of guys

752
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: that were similar in that similar position of you know,

753
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: on the borderline of making to the NBA, but then

754
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: there's still life after, you know, there's still a career here. Um.

755
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: And they were telling me, look, you know, you need

756
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: to concentrate on, you know, making a substantial amount of

757
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: money over a period of time. You know, it's not

758
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the NBA route, but now you're a professional, you know,

759
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: you can go overseas or you can try to stay

760
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues. And and my decision, like other people,

761
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I don't want to go

762
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: to because we only have the c BA at the time.

763
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the D League, wasn't like the G League.

764
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like all this other stuff. We had the

765
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: c B A and the CBA was paying you know,

766
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: two three hundreds a week for our max and I

767
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I felt like I like like I

768
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: was like, I felt like I needed to do more

769
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: than that. Um. So I went overseas and I got

770
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: a first opportunity in Israel? How was that? How was that?

771
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Sperience in Israel? Israel was you know what man is?

772
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have Google, we didn't have YouTube.

773
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: So I had to pick up a damn Encyclopdu classic

774
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: at the Botanica without oh you know, you know moms

775
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: at a mom yeah, yeah about stack And I was like, well,

776
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: where is this place at? And I had to pick

777
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: it up and I was like old pictures. So I

778
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: had no idea exactly what was going on. So when

779
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: I got there, um, and UH kind of learned the

780
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: history and the culture because Israel's deep um and the culture,

781
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when like that's when it's like

782
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: like my exposure went to like another level. It was

783
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: like wow, okay, you know, here's America, but like, wow,

784
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: here's customs different over here. There's a culture is different

785
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: over here, the values are different, you know. And then

786
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: um and then there was you know, um, you know,

787
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: you know all these beautiful women in Israel, um that

788
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: we have no idea what goes on in all these places.

789
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: The Mediterranean Sea is there, you know, it's eighty five degree,

790
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: you can see to the bottom of the water. And

791
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: then you know there, you know, you know, there's you know,

792
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: the people look different. It was it was hot, you know,

793
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: and they spoke English, spoke English in Israel, and I

794
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: was just like, it's like one of the best kept secrets.

795
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: So to this day. Um, I took a lot of

796
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: what I learned that first year in Israel, UM, and

797
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: I internalized that because they're you know, they got strong culture,

798
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, they got strongly, they got they got some

799
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: real good values and uh try to you know, come

800
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: over here where we're at and still those Um. So

801
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: that was my first gig and then UM I left there.

802
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I actually like I did really good and like one

803
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: of these like tournaments and then one of the agents

804
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: or sponsors from a team in Austria. It was like,

805
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: we'll pay you to get out of this contract and

806
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: come Austria and play for us. And I was just

807
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: like this is it? So I left that team and

808
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: went to Austria. How was Austria. It's next to Germany,

809
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: right yeah? Okay, so yeah, so Austria was a different

810
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: beast you know, um, you know, um it was. It was.

811
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: It was slower in Israel. Like I was like, yo,

812
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: what about this dude? Like I was just like I

813
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: was just pop it and now not. It was a

814
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: lot more structured, um, a lot more and it was historical.

815
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: Um you know the people of Deutsche you know, it was.

816
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: It was different. It was cold, you know, it was

817
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: freezing colde Now I was like I felt like I

818
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: was back in Pullman, Washington. Where that I mean I was,

819
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean not okay, hold on, I was I could

820
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: do it Like I was like, yo, I thought I

821
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: was in Cali. I was just in Cali and Israel,

822
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you know. But then I was like yo, back to

823
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: the snow. So it was cool. I had the basketball

824
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: was very good. Um, we had some really good goods

825
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I enjoyed it. I became you know,

826
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: one of the you know locals, you know what I mean.

827
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: I became a part of your community. And again another

828
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: good learning experience, man um, and I enjoyed my time.

829
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: We ended up winning the championship there um and uh

830
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: that's when I kind of got like my fever again.

831
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Was like, yo, you know, you win a championship in Europe,

832
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: you might get a look. These days you would a championship,

833
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: you might get a look in the league. Back then,

834
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: it was a little tougher. They weren't. They weren't in

835
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: the building as much as they are now. The game

836
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: the game, right, We're right, it was we were coming

837
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: through that era where it was very athletic. Yeah, everything

838
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: just went from fundamentals and skills to is raw athleticism.

839
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: And that was that transition from you know, the Norm

840
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: Nixons and the magics and the and then it went

841
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: to like, you know, like the guys that could just

842
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: bounce the Vince Carter's and you know all these just

843
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: it was a bounced erain, remember that, right, I mean

844
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: the layoff guys couldn't pull up jump shot, guys couldn't

845
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: dribble with their left hand, but they could jump and

846
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and and they were long. So the game changed and

847
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: and then and nowadays we kind of lost. We kind

848
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: of lost a little bit. I feel personal needs to

849
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: be personally kind of feel like we lost a little

850
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: bit of skill set. And now that's why we got

851
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot more Europeans in our league because they have

852
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: less athleticism. He then being able to compete now and

853
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: not to knock their athleticism, but they played the game differently,

854
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that for a fact, because you played. Yeah, but anytime

855
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: a guy like Yoki and Dunche can dominate the NBA,

856
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: Yo Kitchen Duncan are the two most dominant dude. They

857
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: they be serving dudes and they make you look bad.

858
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Give you fifty eighteen and sixteen dogs against whoever you're

859
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: putting over there, Janice, it don't matter. It's like how

860
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: it trips me out. But I think it's a credit

861
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: to what you exactly what you're saying. It's a it's

862
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: an i Q also associated with the back with their

863
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: game too, like they have an advanced i Q. They

864
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: were taught certain principles about the game that weren't necessarily

865
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: emphasized with us. And I think that you said it

866
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: perfectly that's why they've caught up so quickly and are

867
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: now dominating the league. But after Austria, So you win

868
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: a championship in Austria, how you're about, Well I was,

869
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: and I won that championship. Is but you retired three

870
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: years later? What happened in between Austria and retirement? So

871
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: I went back to uh Ramagan, back to Israel for

872
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: a short period, and then um, I was I was

873
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: supposed to go to Spain to play, and then it

874
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: was that call situation again. It was like, hey, we're

875
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: trying to negotiate a little bit more money. Um and

876
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: but you got this window and Austria had called me

877
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: back again saying we want you back. Because I left

878
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Austria to go to try to, you know, make some money.

879
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: I think I played and the IBL. Sorry after after Austria,

880
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: I played so long ago. After Austria, I played in

881
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: the IBL for the Demon Dragons with that like idea

882
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: of staying local, staying in the States and being brought

883
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: up for attending and you know, Stace was doing that.

884
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Guys was doing that, and I was like, all right,

885
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I just won the championship. My name is Ringing. I'm

886
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: actually putting up like thirty forty in the Long Beach

887
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: summer leagues. You know, I'm like, I'm this was my

888
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: hot time after college and uh um. I ended up

889
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: playing the idea for a year, thinking that I would

890
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: get uh you know, brought up as a for a

891
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: ten day. I did that for a year. We actually

892
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: went to the championship. I think we lost championship or

893
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: something like that. But then after that, that's when I

894
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: went back overseas and I was like, you know what,

895
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to the n b A. I'm twenty

896
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: five years old, and if I had not made it

897
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: after I won the championship year, It's probably not gonna

898
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: be my day. So I had a couple of tryouts

899
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: again for the Lakers. I had tryouts for UM. I

900
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: think it was like the Lakers and the Bulls and

901
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: I at that time, you know, like you were talking

902
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: about earliers. You know, you and I have a different

903
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, mindset about how how we pick up on things.

904
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: And my antennas went up, and I go, Okay, even

905
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: if I do get a couple of coffee in the NBA,

906
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be playing minutes. I'm gonna be on

907
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: a practice squad. I'm gonna be you know sort of

908
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the background, I'm like, I don't know

909
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: if I want that. Um, I basically want to continue

910
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: learning myself and going overseas. Being there for eight months

911
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: by yourself, you learn yourself. And I just said, you know,

912
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish my career overseas. So I did that,

913
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: went back to Austria for another two years, and um,

914
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: my last year, I came back and played in the

915
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: A B A for the I don't want to say

916
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: the L A Stars or yeah, something like that. And

917
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: then after that, I was like, I'm not going back overseas.

918
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: So that's when I was like, I'm going back to school.

919
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: And I think I went back to school to get

920
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: my undergrad and psychology in two thousands before and I

921
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: was a rat. Yeah, so that's kind of like my

922
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: my journey. You know. I played you know, three or

923
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: four years overseas something like that, five years overseas and

924
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: in a couple of minor league years, um, and figured out, like,

925
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I need to like establish myself

926
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: in America like absolutely live coming home in the summers,

927
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like everybody else bringing as much

928
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: cash money as you can back home, but I don't

929
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: have like a residence, you know, I'm like, you know,

930
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: living with moms or you know, like trying to you know,

931
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: live with a chick for that period of time. And

932
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: to my back and that gout played out. Oh yeah, personally,

933
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: it just got you get tired of that. You get

934
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: tired of that. I need a life. I need to

935
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: be established. Where am I living at? You know, you know,

936
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: I need a woman like you know what I mean,

937
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: I start to think about life. Um. So that's kind

938
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: of where I cut it short and went back to school, man,

939
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: and then, um, you know, as we touched on earlier,

940
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: that kind of started my journey. Man. Being overseas, there's

941
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: always that level of loneliness that kind of takes over

942
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: when you especially when you are gone for extended periods

943
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: of time and you have all this time to be

944
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: thinking about yourself and learning yourself and basically free time

945
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: to do nothing but time to kill. That's it. You

946
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: got time to kill, to the next practice, to the

947
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: next meal, whatever it is. So I guitar. I learned

948
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: a lot about myself over the course of four years,

949
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, playing over there overseas, and then I also

950
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: realized when I got back home, just how far behind

951
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: uh in certain areas, man, because everybody's you know, let's

952
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: just like the workforce, and you touched on it earlier.

953
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: You got your degree, but no experience, and they won't

954
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: experience if you just like a guy that just came

955
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: out of college. So like they're looking at you, man,

956
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: you ain't got no mentorship, like you ain't did an internship. Man,

957
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: you was playing basketball? Like, how does that kind of trend?

958
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: And that's the same things I ran into where lack

959
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: of job experienced equated to being passed over for opportunities.

960
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: But once like you talked about that one foot in

961
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: the door. Hey, hey, hey, that one foot in the door, bro.

962
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: And then and that's a testament to us and folks

963
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: that are cut from the cloth that we are, that

964
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: all we need is an opportunity, okay, and to get

965
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: in these rooms stats we so called couldn't handle and

966
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: don't know how to whatever. Okay, put me there and

967
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: let's see how that's go end up. And I think

968
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: that you you're you're a perfect example of that type

969
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: of situation of my brother. Um, yeah, was there any

970
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: moment during the retirement when you're so young and back

971
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: in school. Was there any moment that you said, man,

972
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: I kind of want to get back out there. We're

973
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: still playing pickup, we're still standing in shape. Did anything

974
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: come up to where you kind of had to make

975
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: another serious choice in life? Okay, talk to me. I mean,

976
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't done physically. I was done physically and emotion mentally.

977
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: I was done because you know, I had not achieved

978
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: what I was set out to do. And that's what

979
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: I busted my butt to do. Was too you know,

980
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: I made every meeting and I made every job. What

981
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: I did not do and I could live with it

982
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: is I didn't do as much as I should have

983
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: done when it comes to like, you know, the little

984
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: things like touching the line, drinking milk, chicks not party.

985
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, So I wasn't rewarded, all right.

986
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: I slacked because I thought I was good. I though

987
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: I could turn it on, so I can. Now. You

988
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: know a lot of us have to live with some

989
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: of this, and we got to understand, like, did you

990
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: really truly do everything everything every That's a great way

991
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: to put it, what I mean, And you can fool

992
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: yourself by saying yes, but I saw and I know

993
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: guys that they hid more than I did. They weren't

994
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: as talented, they may not have been as good, but

995
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: they were because they did all that other stuff. What

996
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: I just kind of kept it at a certain level. Um,

997
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: and kudos at oh, but that that's kind of like

998
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: the the maturity, right, Um so I I I had

999
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: some like I had some some some days where I

1000
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: was twenty seven years old, twenty eight years old, I

1001
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: would go and play around or play with guys that

1002
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: were still doing it. Stace was still doing it. Um.

1003
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: I would go to the real Run and playing the

1004
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: real Run and guys will be like, dumb, you can

1005
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: go right now. And I'm like, I'm tired of hearing that.

1006
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Guys like b D you know, got domb like yo,

1007
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: like BD is my duty like you was a kid, Paul,

1008
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: like all these guys like man, you can go now,

1009
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm tired of hearing that. You know

1010
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm gonna I'm just here to hoo

1011
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: because I love a who but like I've I've it out.

1012
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, thats like you know what, I go get

1013
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: a contract and make right now and throw this throw

1014
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: this mindset out the win and get back to this.

1015
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: But then I was like, nah, you know, I've come

1016
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: too far with making a decision to to stop, not quit,

1017
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: but to stop. And I was challenging, man, because I

1018
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: know guys that continue to do it until they were

1019
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: thirty seven, and I had a tenure head start on

1020
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: them in terms of what we were talking about, transition

1021
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: into real life, you know, being able to do Excel

1022
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: search and use the computer in today's society, I mean,

1023
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: attach p attach a PDF to an email. We take

1024
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: those things from granted because we bounced and we was rocking,

1025
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: and we competed, and we worked on our bodies, you know,

1026
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: and we worked on our mind, worked on our image,

1027
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, we worked on our persona to the media. Uh.

1028
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean we were we were entertainers. So we had

1029
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: to transition to you know, doing different skills you know.

1030
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you know guys that didn't stop when

1031
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: I stopped. When they did stop at a later age,

1032
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: they had to they had to do the same thing

1033
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: as Idea. So you know, I just made a decision

1034
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: to uh, to unlace mine a little earlier and to

1035
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: get into the real work, Like I had no idea

1036
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: about you know, interests, interest rates, real estate, like I'm

1037
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: eating real estate, eat literate at the time, like I

1038
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: couldn't have I couldn't have conversations with adults that you know, uh,

1039
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: tax returns, writing this off? What do you what do

1040
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: you mean right? What are you talking about? What do

1041
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: you mean? Tell room people watched my my laundry. I

1042
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: don't do that kind of stuff. I don't book my

1043
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: whole I don't book my rental car. I don't. That

1044
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: was like a lost skill and U and then when

1045
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: you hang it up, you're like, oh, I gotta do

1046
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: everything myself now I don't even know what is this?

1047
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: And so that you know, with that, with that, like

1048
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: you said earlier, Chris was a big one. The confidence.

1049
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: As I started to learn more and get more confident

1050
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: in the real world, it allowed me to go out

1051
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: and raise money, started business. Do what you're doing, like

1052
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: I had to really had to learn how to walk

1053
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: again after sports. That's how I put it. So saying

1054
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: attach a PDF like that was a mystery. It sounds easy,

1055
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: but it sounds like people in the business world who

1056
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: has been working since they're eighteen nineteen years old, and

1057
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: we didn't like what a PDF, Like I said, yeah, yeah, um,

1058
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: so that that's that's that's that's been my that's been

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: like the advantage. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows

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Speaker 1: And I think that your competitive nature, are competitive nature

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: as athletes come out when we get placed in those

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: corporate settings, because what you what you realize about the

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01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: corporate setting is, yeah, I work with a bunch of

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01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: white dudes and white with white women too. I was

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: the only brother, but they all wanted were wanted to

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: be athletes. They all had a drive. They all was

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: competitive more than me about stuff they knew. They know

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01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: about everything. Like in my particular situation, I was surrounded

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: by people that were sports heads. So the culture was

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01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: always we're trying to beat each other on sales on this,

1074
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: We're trying to beat each other a month in who's

1075
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: getting the bonus we got two tickets, five tickets to

1076
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: the Giants game, or whoever sells the most of this

1077
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: month stuff like that. And so now I'm getting geeked

1078
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm like, wait a minute. Now we can

1079
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: have a little fun. And I think that's the part

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: where our athletic prowess comes out as adults and while

1081
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: you're working in that type of setting. But make no

1082
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: mistake about it, Bro, when I first started and had

1083
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: to relearn everything, teach myself how to walk again, it

1084
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: takes hours and hours and hours of studying, research, knowledge,

1085
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: soaking up YouTube video, soaking up how to do? I

1086
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: was on I was MR. How to do I'm not

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: asking nobody because I'm embarrassed, don't I'm embarrassed. I don't

1088
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: want to ask a grown person how do I know?

1089
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: It's like a super question that you're supposed to know this.

1090
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta go. Yeah, I get I go.

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: Great There to BRO. A lot of us are and

1092
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: some of us, you know, are are not coming out

1093
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: with that, and they probably it's the it's the it's

1094
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: the trust and yourself, like you know, some people don't

1095
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: grow up with that trust and that an exposure. You know,

1096
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: some people don' grow up. It's supposed to be scared

1097
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: to say I don't know what you mean? You know,

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: you can use a word. And I'm sitting there like

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01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: going shaking my head yes, but I no clue. And

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01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: if I'm if I have a trust in me, I'm

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01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, hold on, Chris, what does that word mean?

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01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not afraid for you to judge me if

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that. So a lot of US sports

1104
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: athletes have to cross that barrier, you know, And I'm

1105
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: saying like, I don't know what. I don't know what

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: that means, man, or I need to know some help,

1107
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've had to experience that, um and

1108
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: now now it's a part of me. It's like I

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01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: wish I would have known that when I was a

1110
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: little younger, like we always do that, you know. I

1111
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: wish i'd have known how big resources was. And you

1112
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: know that old thing about it ain't what you know

1113
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: is who you know? Like you gotta keep those resources

1114
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: in time. You know you do. It means the world

1115
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: to you and and and them as well. You know,

1116
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: you just never know. I think the thing that I

1117
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: realized the most out of my transition in that whole

1118
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: situation was just how how little I knew and how

1119
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: much pride I had because I didn't want people to

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Speaker 1: know serious. I'm like, bro, pride is some stuff. Dog,

1121
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: you know you you will miss out on a lifetime

1122
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: of stuff because you got some pride about X, Y

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01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: or Z. So I used to have this pride. I

1124
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: don't want to tell people or I wanted I wanted

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01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: to act like I knew everything all the time talking

1126
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: about but but but but here's what you learned that

1127
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: asking questions is the move. Like asking questions is the move,

1128
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: dog like, that's the moves. But we're sitting here thinking

1129
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a death sentence if you ask

1130
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: a question or don't ask no questions. No, man, you're

1131
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: supposed to ask a million questions a million times a day.

1132
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: That is a normal type of thing. Man. People just

1133
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: got to explain themselves. My my boss used to explain

1134
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: himself a thousand times a day on these calls, bro,

1135
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: because everybody's like, oh, we didn't understand that, or he'd

1136
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: be on the webinar. We're like, what was that? It's nothing,

1137
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: that's part of it. But but why do we walk

1138
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: around thinking that it's a net it if connotation to

1139
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: to ask a question or ask for help? Why is that? Yeah,

1140
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: we were it's a stigma, you know, it's a stigma

1141
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: because we feel lesser and you know, in our society,

1142
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: that's when we were deemed to feel as lesser and

1143
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: not knowing stuff. So we don't we feel like, oh,

1144
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: this guy got one up on me, or you know,

1145
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna take advantage of me, or he doesn't respect me.

1146
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: And our culture, respect is big, you know, are we

1147
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: you know flaws and do all this stuff. Respect is big,

1148
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: So we feel a little less respected if we ask

1149
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: the question that we may not know, we might we

1150
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: might feel like this dude is gonna make make fun

1151
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: of me. But what you're doing, brother, is your your

1152
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: growth is there's growth and development here too. You know.

1153
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: They're that word learned. If you look it up, it

1154
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: means that I didn't know before now, but now I do.

1155
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: Now I learned. So if you don't, if you don't

1156
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: understand how to learn, you know, you're beating yourself. You know,

1157
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: you're beating yourself. And again it's maturity, right. You know,

1158
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: you talk to someone that's you know, sixty five years

1159
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 1: old and you tell him, hey, man, look man, yeah,

1160
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: i'm developing the stages and and he's like, yeah, I've

1161
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: been where you've been at he has, he has been there.

1162
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: He had to make that disc around those time and

1163
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: when he was twenty one and he was nineteen and

1164
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: he was thirty five. Um, it's the same thing we're

1165
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: going through. So you know, UM, we have to be

1166
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: cognizant of of understanding that. You know, it's not wrong

1167
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: to educate yourself. It's actually your duty to do so,

1168
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: thank you. You don't know what you don't know. I

1169
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: can't help you until you tell me how I can

1170
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: help you. So if you can ask some questions, you

1171
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: can use the resources that are out there for you

1172
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: that you don't know can help you because you don't

1173
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: know what you need. You don't know what you want.

1174
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, when I was running my business, I used

1175
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: to you know, I used to take it personal because

1176
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: I was in my own grind, you know, and I

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: want people around me that care for me to help me, right.

1178
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: But instead of me understanding how they can help me

1179
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: or or or delegating exactly what I wanted them to

1180
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: do to help me, I wanted them to just get

1181
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: involved and figure it out just the part it is,

1182
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: and you're gonna figure out how to help me. And

1183
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: it was like no, no, no, you gotta tell me

1184
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I'm like I can't tell you what

1185
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: to do. I need you to learn, And it was like,

1186
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you understand what I'm saying. One can

1187
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: help you unless you understand what it is you're trying

1188
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: to do, and agent asking questions clears that up because

1189
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: it gives you information and it allows you to make

1190
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: an informed decisional So you know, we gotta be better

1191
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: at that, you know, we you know, we just gotta

1192
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: be better. Open up and tuck that pride that probably

1193
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do nothing for you. If you get busy

1194
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: and do what you do and and and do like

1195
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like what you're doing, and

1196
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: just get busy, that prode to go away. It's just

1197
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: pride is like a uh, like a momentary sense of

1198
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: gratification that validates maybe a feeling or behavior that you

1199
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: have that typically isn't positive. So it's like trying is

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: always associated with like you validated some negative bs. You

1201
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying in your own mind. But the pride,

1202
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what I think of it as I

1203
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: don't really the other two percent obviously, But dude, it's

1204
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: a trip and I'm glad that you're in a position

1205
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: though now as as as head coach and mortacide high

1206
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: my brother, to affect this next generation to undo some

1207
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: of this mental conditioning that this our generations have seen.

1208
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: So now this that hopefully that your kids and these

1209
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: kids that you affect or come into contact with the

1210
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: Morningside Man, they can go into the world equip with

1211
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: these tools. You need them early on sixteen seventeen eighteen

1212
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: you need for me, And this is kind of how

1213
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: you need to be financially literately at fifteen sixteen seventeen.

1214
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: You need to understand about taxes, paying your taxes, voting

1215
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: and all that you need to be on that. And

1216
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: then you gotta understand about you know, like retiring when

1217
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: you start working, when a four oh one k is,

1218
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: we're started thinking about social security, were starting about retirements,

1219
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: are thinking about different things you can do. You know,

1220
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like we as I won't say we, but I

1221
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: would say that a lot of Black culture in America

1222
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: is not equipped with these these types this type of knowledge,

1223
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: and it always kind of contributes to why we don't

1224
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: move up vertically at the pace that we were all

1225
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: like to Absolutely, it's a disconnect. It is it is

1226
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,839
Speaker 1: um you know, we can figure out. You know, it's internal.

1227
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff is also internal. You know.

1228
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta do better. That's it. We gotta

1229
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: take responsibility. We just gotta. And that's what we were

1230
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: talking about the sports ro with this alliance with kids

1231
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: and sports as you know, until we figure that part out,

1232
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: we are, we're not gonna go up at that pace

1233
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: or that right. You know. But guys like you were

1234
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: in place with Voice and you know, I'm glad you

1235
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: got me out there too, and and uh, you know,

1236
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: to teach one, you know, kind of the next generation

1237
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: we do have. That's my home office. It's okay, that's okay,

1238
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: that's okay. We're dog we're dog friendly over here, all right,

1239
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: we're dog friendly. And kJ Live bro hold on like

1240
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: he's not gonna stop just one second. Definitely dog fairly here.

1241
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: kJ Live had Dominicue Ellison is in the building. Amazing

1242
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: conversation about the responsibility of mentors to the next generation.

1243
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: Dum played at Washington State, New Mexico State, worked in

1244
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: Corporate America for ten or twelve years, and recently accepted

1245
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: the head coaching position at Morningside High School. We've had

1246
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: an incredible hour and change of conversation. Dom Man, I

1247
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: just want to tell you I appreciate you for coming

1248
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: on this platform, brother, sharing your story, sharing the journey.

1249
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: For those that are out there that are gonna be

1250
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: listening that don't know who Dominic Ellison is, now they

1251
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 1: can have a better idea my brother. Listen, Man, I'm

1252
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: honored to be on the show. Um. You know, for

1253
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: all the listeners, you know, Chris is a brother of mine.

1254
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: Mad love and respect for Chris. We we we've been

1255
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: knowing each other for a very very long time. UM.

1256
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm proud of his journey. Man. He's always been like

1257
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: an incredible dude. Uh, He's always been an incredible brother. Um.

1258
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: And and when I I'm not really a big social

1259
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,759
Speaker 1: media dude, and you know, since I've taken this position,

1260
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: you know obviously that comes with it, right And UM,

1261
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: the first opportunity that I saw all you had a podcast,

1262
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: I had to reach out. UM. And again, it's not

1263
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 1: about me, It's really about your brother, because you You've

1264
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: been a special dude in my life and my brother.

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Speaker 1: So congratulations to you. I've always followed your journey, UM,

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Speaker 1: and you continue to inspire all of us and you

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Speaker 1: always got something going on that we can respect and support.

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Speaker 1: So appreciate your listeners. Man, this is this is the

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Speaker 1: one of a kind dude. So I appreciate you much love,

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Speaker 1: much love, my brother, and best of luck and morningside

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Speaker 1: and anything else. My brother. Yeah, we gotta get you

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Speaker 1: out to a game. Man, I'll be there. I'll be

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Speaker 1: i'mna come through, bro, I'm gonna check it out. I

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Speaker 1: would come to the eagle Wood game. Come on, it'side

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Speaker 1: eagle Wood. I'm well, I'm gonna wear a blue jacket.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Hey, that's what hey. But that's what

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Speaker 1: I did back to the day. That's what I did

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Speaker 1: back in the day, bro, But it was a different time,

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Speaker 1: so I had to kind of hide. I was with Rico.

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Speaker 1: I was sitting up at the time. Oh, I'm up there, high.

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Speaker 1: I had on the blue jacket, but I had like

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Speaker 1: a sweatshirt over here, like nope, walk you in your royalty,

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Speaker 1: We walk you right in. Oh. I appreciate that. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it, Pops. I said, Hi, man, hug

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Speaker 1: Pops and hugged the family. Men. Hope everybody's well again.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you for happening Ladies and Gentlemen Dominic Ellison