WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, Iso Joe, and Gary Payton react to the Pacers going up 2-1 over the Thunder in the NBA Finals 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:19.880 The volume. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, we got us a series. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.040 We got us a series. Indiana one sixteen O KC 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.840 one O seven to one lead with another game in Indy? 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.040 Can they possibly go up three to one? Thank you 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.760 guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.120 am your favorite on Shannon Sharp, my partner and co 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.800 hosts Liberty Cities own Bengal Ring of Fame, Montere Pro 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.800 Bowler all pro wearing. This is old Joe cut off hoodie. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.839 That's Chad, oh Joel. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.239 Not just hoody. I got to shus on too. Oh 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.159 you got to you got to hoot your daddy on. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:56.960 Yeah. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.640 Yeah that look at that John Rocket rope. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.080 The third number of my team, y'all thing Arkansas lul 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.240 Rock augusas native University of Arkansas. LUM played a number 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.000 of years, at least fifteen years in the NBA. That's 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.240 ISO Joe Joe Johnson and joining us the special guests 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.080 to break down this game, y'all knowing seventy fea VERSUSY 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:26.720 team NBA Champion Defensive Player of the Year, Olympic Gold 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.480 Battle winning. That's GP the club Gary Payton GP. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.640 What do you do? What's happening, what's handing up? Man? Good? 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.160 Thanks for joining us, bro. Please make sure you hit 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.120 that subscribe button. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.600 Please make sure you hit the like button, and guys, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.080 go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.640 your podcast from. We want to thank each and every 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.000 one of you that have watched us, that has listened 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.600 to us, that have downloaded our things, has spread the 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.840 word catch night Cap with uncan o Joe. We greatly 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.080 greatly appreciate your support and we hopefully we get your 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.000 continued support. Please make sure you check out Shade by 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.560 La fortier eight. We have it in stop now. If 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.120 you can't find it any city or a state near you, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.200 you can best believe we are coming to a city 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.120 or a state near you. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:09.919 But in the. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.240 Meantime, Ordered Online is the best tasting premium bsup cognac 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.839 on the market. Ordered online, you will not be disappointed. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.000 Please drake responsibly and stay safe. Check out my media 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.600 company page on all of its platforms, shay Shape Media 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.600 and my clothing Company eighty four with eighty four being 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.480 spelled out. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.360 are limited and once they're gone, there are gone, So 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:37.440 please grab yours while supplies last the Pacers. The Pacers 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.079 beat the Thunder. The Pacers win the first finals game 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.480 and Andy in twenty five years take a two to 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.200 one lead with another game in Andy one sixteen to 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.800 one oh seven. They did a better job of limiting 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.000 shade at the free throw line. You only get to 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.320 the line six times, nine of twenty from the floor. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.560 They did a great job on him, but still the 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.600 Thunder had three guys with twenty or more points. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.600 But it was the bench of the Indiana Pacers that 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:06.320 won this game. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.560 Benter Deck Mathern had his best game, twenty seven points, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.040 a career high two or three from the three point line, 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.720 seven to eight from the free throw line. TJ McConnell 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.920 came in and did what TJ McConnell normally does, and 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.080 Obie Topping was flying high. That put back dump really 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.440 energized the crowd. Joe, we're gonna start the U and 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.840 then we're gonna pass it off the GP. How did 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.960 the Pacers win this game? 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.080 Man? Oho GP? 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.320 They had that intensity that they needed, you know, especially 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.640 from the bench. I thought, okay, see I played them 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.360 in that first quarter, but when they made them subs mathering, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.480 TJ McCollum. They came in, rose the energy up to 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.040 another level, took it to another level. And you look 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.360 at Mattherin the way he played man, just being aggressive offensively, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.320 making plays, just being disruptive defensive. TJ. You know, I 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.000 don't know how many steals he got that led to points. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.280 And OKC was just so careless with the basketball. Is 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.840 uncharacteristic of them tonight. But we gotta give we gotta 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:06.760 give Indiana credit. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:07.000 Man. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.720 They've been doing it all postseason, like we continue to say, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.920 and we continue to count them out, they continue to 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.440 keep fighting, and tonight they pretty much, you know, had 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.160 control of this basketball pretty much throughout the entire game. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.640 Chijmccamma had five steals tonight. GP. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.400 You watch watch this game in its entirety, and Indy 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.479 out of the team. They go on the road and 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.479 every series they won game one, they lost Game two 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.160 in ok See. It was really a blowout, but they 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.839 came come home. Normally come home, they normally lose game three, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.680 but tonight was different. They got off to a slow 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.880 start in the first quarter, they pick it up, get 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.120 forty points. They got forty points against the best defensive 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.960 team in basketball in the second quarter, and then have 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.200 a little lull in the third quarter. They pick it 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.640 right back up in the fourth and go get thirty two. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.280 So those combined quarters, the second and the fourth they 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.719 get seventy two points. What were they able to do 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.360 tonight that calls in, that calls okay see, so much 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.719 trouble in this ball game? Well, Shannon, what I really 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:10.240 think is is that what Joe said was that they 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.120 picked up their intensity of on defense. I think they 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.280 were into a lot of players a lot more. I 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.800 think they were into Shaye a lot more. Then Shade 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.200 tried to take take it onto his hands and become 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.080 one of them players where he wanted to prove that 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.200 he can go instead of passing the basketball and getting 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.440 it around and getting other players involved. So they picked 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.440 up the defense and they did a great job. I 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.240 think to me, where they lose basketball games, okay see, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.440 is when they get their out of their means, when 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.440 they when they turn the ball over. When they turn 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.039 the basketball over, they're not okay see, and then that 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.080 takes away from their their defense because their lows get down. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.960 And then what the Indiana did was when they turned 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.719 the ball over, they scored. They scored the basketball. When 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.799 people turn the ball over and you score, that takes 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.560 a lot of ump off of you. Then what they 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.640 did was in the third quarter they try to neutralize it. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.480 They go up what five at the end of the third. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.240 But then what do the subs come and do for Indiana? 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.920 They come and pick that energy back up. They picked 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.080 the energy back up off the turnovers. And then it 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.599 takes away from your game when you turn the basketball 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.240 over and you scored you cause you would say, I 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.120 think off turnover, off of turnovers, what I think they 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.560 outscored him by twenty I think Indiana, I've scored them 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.640 by almost twenty points, and that hurt them. And then 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.080 at the end of the game, if you don't make 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.800 free throws to get back in the game, if they 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.280 make them free throws, this game becomes closer. And then 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.760 when the Indiana comes down and put pressure on them 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.120 to score the basketball. But if you don't score, if 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.080 you don't hit these free throws, what happens. They come 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.039 down there, be comfortable, they still up eight or nine points, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.719 and you lose a basketball game. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.120 And that's what happened. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.320 But you got to give a credit to Indiana for 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.280 coming off the bench with their high energy and they 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:05.400 take the game to them. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.760 They're at home. They took the game to him. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.240 And I don't know how Oklahoma's gonna come back, but 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.440 I think they're gonna come back strong because they know 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.640 that they're gonna have to master your intensity because Indiana 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.520 is not gonna come in here and just lay down 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.640 right and you look at it. We talked about something 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960 the other night, Guys, we said shape. I said, man, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:24.800 when you come up that picking will double his ass, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.320 trap him. You see what they did tonight. They trapped 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.040 his ass, Joe. They got turnedovers off that they tied 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.680 him up, got jumped off. You gotta try something. You 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.360 cannot let him play one on one. He's as good 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.880 as one on one player as they as they have 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.560 in the NBA. And you put that shoulder into him 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.880 and get separation. Go ahead, GP. Who do you think? Who? 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.200 Who? Who? Who? What team? Joe in you two and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.480 O Joe? When they don't win? What they saw a 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.120 player and people do that to him all the time. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:53.880 What team is that? 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.440 The Golden State Warriors when they get hurt that, yes, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.720 they are not affective basketball team. And I think a 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.680 lot of teams got to understand one on one basketball 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.880 players when they come up to pick a roll, get 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.920 the ball out of their hand and make people who 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.160 don't know what they do that's not normal doing that 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.080 and handling the basketball and making big time plays, make 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.160 them big time for make them make big time plays. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:17.840 And Oklahoma only has. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.560 One guy that can do that inside Shay, and that's 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.280 way he's all the other basketball player that. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:24.920 Can do it. And what did they do. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.520 They let him score all the toys and they take 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.680 Shay out and he goes nine for twenty and they 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.480 lose a basketball game off the turnovers. But you know, 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.880 I still think Oklahoma should be very really covenant because 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.920 you're turning the ball over that many times, it's still 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.680 in a basketball game. To win it, your covenant's gotta 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.440 be hot. O. Joe looked at We looked at Okay. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.720 See what they did to Indy. Out of the first game, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.280 they turned them over twenty five times, they lost the game. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.600 Indiana found a way to get close in the fourth 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.120 and they won it down to stretch. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:55.319 We watched the second game. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.960 I think they turned them over seventeen eighteen times and 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.880 they won the ball game going away. This game, they 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.720 only created fourteen turnovers and he ever did a better 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.600 job of taking care of the basketball now and Halliburton 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.760 he didn't have his best game handling the ball because 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.280 Halliburton doesn't normally turn the ball over. He had two 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.640 or three really careless, careless turnovers, like they picked him 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.440 back at half court, which he normally doesn't do. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.240 What what do. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.839 You think OKC needs to do to make sure they 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.439 don't go down three to one going back to OKC, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.400 because look they had three guys with twenty plus points. Again, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.319 Shay was not as efficient this game as he was 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:32.600 the first of the second game. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.079 Remember he was like what level of twenty one? 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.720 The second game he had thirty four to the first 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.000 game he was really inefficient, had thirty eight, but you 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.840 had Chad Hongren six to fifteen inefficient. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:44.720 They Alad shot. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.200 They shot the ball forty seven percent for the four 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.760 They had twenty points from Chad, They got twenty six 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.480 from Jalen Williams. They got twenty four from Shape. But 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.400 their bitch didn't give up anything. Remember Joe Ojoe GP 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:02.880 the last game their bitch. Remember remember Caruso what they 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.560 gave them off the bench, the tide was flipped. You 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.640 got twenty seven, You got forty nine points from Indiana's bench. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.240 Yoh Joe, what do you see? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.120 What did you like about what you saw from Indiana? 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:14.800 And what you didn't like from Okay? 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:15.240 See? 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.760 Well, listen, Honestly, you know, I picked the Pacers to 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.040 win the series, so I did what I saw from 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.360 a Okay, see you like everything I. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:23.920 Saw from them? 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.600 Listen, the Pacers just played to me, to me from 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.079 based on my eyes and my little bit of knowledge 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.560 of basketball that I've learned to date, the PACs tonight 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.240 played the most complete game of the finals. They didn't 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.160 wait until they was down. They didn't wait un till 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.280 they was down, and such to the side the kick 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.160 and gear. Defensively, what they did defensively getting the ball 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.640 out of Shade's hands when coming off those picks, coming 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.559 off those rolls, and forcing other people to make plays, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.040 I think that was key Defensively, what they were able 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.680 to do. The goddamn bench was really the Stars. It 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.760 wasn't Halliburton, it wasn't It wasn't them hard. It was 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.360 what them boy and did off the bench. They got 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.800 damn TJ. McConnell and young brother, I ain't hurt nobody 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.839 named Benedict boys in nineteen sixty eight. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.280 He git me, I ain't gonna a't gonna tell you 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:05.520 he or that. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.040 But excuse me, excuse me if I put your last 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.160 name Benedict, Did I say that right? 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.040 Mathron Macrin mac Mastherin, Mathron okay, mathm. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.520 Well, young boy had twenty seven twenty seven. He was 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.480 twenty seven poll and woar rebounds, one assayst a block. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:27.520 Listen he was he was a game score higher. He 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.120 had zero phil he had zero fil GP. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:30.920 Yeah. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:32.480 Oh but listen. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.040 This wasn't This wasn't just like a heat checked shooting, right. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.840 This was playoff boys. I like that, letting him play too. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.240 But you know what, I've noticed something about it. I 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:43.319 know something about him. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.880 Have a question. He doesn't get in foul trouble early. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.760 Yeah, you noticed if when he gets in foul trouble early, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.960 it takes on his aggressive miss away from him. He's 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.599 not the same player GP, Joe and Joe, He's not 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.520 the same tonight. He stayed out of foul trouble. He 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.680 stayed aggressive from the Carl out put him in the game. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.360 He was aggressive for the entirety of the game. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:06.280 Yeah, I agree. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.599 Hey, and when you look at Halliburg, look how he 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.760 started the game. I know they didn't win the first quarter, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.800 but he was in that first court he was all 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.400 your aggressive. We talked about his aggressiveness and started the game. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.640 He wasn't passing, he was looking for his shot, he 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.240 was getting to the cup. He was getting in the 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.679 paint calls and having and being disruptive and in the 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.679 okay sees defense and making plays and GP. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:28.320 You know this. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.080 When you got a team shooting fifty one percent from 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.360 the field, Hell, it's. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.200 Gonna be hard to be then time it's like, okay. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.040 See, it's like their defense has kind of went into 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.679 a like a lapster where they can't get stops. It's 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.000 hard for him to get stopped, so it's hard for 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.520 them to get out and get points. So if you're 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.960 playing in this high scoring game like this, one hundred 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.400 and sixteen points for the Pacers, this is the pace 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:51.440 they won't they won't. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:52.480 They won't it high scoring. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.520 Like you know what the problem is, Joe, is that 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.920 all of their players are aggressive. That's probably it's not 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.600 just one guy too, three guys aggressive. It's coming out 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.199 being aggressive and against a great defensive team. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.440 What do you have to do to a great defense team? 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.480 Attack them? You attack every time, and all of them 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:15.079 are attacking. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.720 And then on the other end, they're being aggressive more 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.160 and they don't here a lot of them getting three 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.719 and four files. Then they here a sub and then 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.760 Carlisle sub bring in somebody else and everybody's comfortable. When 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.000 you get a team that's comfortable and that can match you, 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.240 and this Indiana team can match Oklahoma, they're not gonna 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:35.640 beat them. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:36.760 They're not gonna beat them. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.319 If you let them be comfortable and you don't and 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.720 they don't turn the ball over and they make you 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.480 turn the ball over and get you out of your game, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.599 they're not gonna beat them, especially at home. They're not 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.600 gonna bet the Indiana team that can be more aggressive 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.640 and have the energy coming in and making shots and 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.600 doing things, they're not gonna be And you look. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:57.640 You look at it. They had. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.559 I mean the guys, the Rick Carlisle is doing a 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.960 great job with minutes Siakam thirty two minutes, Nismith's twenty 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.880 two minutes, turn of thirty minutes, nim Har thirty three minutes, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.760 Halliburton thirty six minutes, Obi Topping twenty eight minutes, McConnell 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:15.000 fifteen minutes, Mappern twenty two minutes, Shepherd eighteen minutes. You see, hey, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.120 give me everything you got while you out there, and 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.120 when you get tired, put your hands up and I'll 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.360 put somebody else in the game. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.320 And yeah, and they don't let up. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.440 No let up. And like you said, they're being aggressive. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.800 They know it's become very difficult. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.480 Guys. We know, okay see has a great defense. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.360 You gotta stay out of half court because if you 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.320 let those guys because they got tremendous wing defenders, everybody 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.960 is scrapping. Everybody got hands. You look at Wallace, you 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.120 look at Dork, you look at Caruso, Isaiah, Joe Wiggins. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.760 All those guys can sit in the chair and slide 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.240 multiple times. So they're doing a great job trying to 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.920 get points in transition, so they can't set up. I 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.680 love what I saw. Look, Indiana, everybody has to roll 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.680 them off. I mean, they were the over. They were 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.680 like one of the biggest favorites, ok see, word to 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.880 win the finals that we've had in a very very 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.320 long time. And now I say, guess what. We weren't 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.680 favored against Milwaukee. We weren't favored against the Cleveland. We 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.200 weren't favored against the Knicks, so we weren't So we're 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.080 not gonna be favorite. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.000 So guess what we're. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.920 Gonna have one of the If they weren't to win this, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.320 this would be one of the most improbable runs. And 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.160 when you figure they're doing it without a super star player, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.120 when was the last time somebody won the finals without 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.000 a super star player? 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.240 Wait? Wait, whoa whoa? Hold on? Hold on, they're saying. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.640 You're saying they don't have a superstar player, but they 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.760 don't player that's playing like a superstar and it's having 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.160 a historic playoff run. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.760 No, no, making shots doesn't make you a superstar, jo Ojo, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:54.720 having Burton is not a superstar. Hold on, Joe, I 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.160 agree with that. He's not a superstar. He's a player. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.600 He's a good basketball player, but he's not a superstar. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.160 You might be spright, Ojo. He's playing like a superstar. Okay, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.840 he's playing like that right now. He's stepping up to 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.200 the game because I think in my mind he's an 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.000 all around complete point guard. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.120 Yes, yes, everything happens. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.120 He thinks getting his players into it first, and then 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.720 he does everything and then he has score, you know, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.440 but he has to you know. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.120 But he's not that that player. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.520 And I'm not gonna say go get him and put 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.600 him on the team and then I think I can 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.600 get forty from him every night. That's not But he 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.440 is playing like a superstar right now. I will see that. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.880 Right like that. Think about it. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.440 We had that conversation before, not long ago. Remember, remember 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.800 we talked about superstar. Star was the first thing I say, Listen, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.880 he's a star. He's a star. But the way he's 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.440 playing in this playoffs, coming up in clutch moments for 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.080 the Pacers, like he's a goddamn superstar. And it's just 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.280 based on what I've seen right now, you know them 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.960 the piggyback off of GP saying he just started playing 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.919 like a superstar in the most opportune moments for the 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.960 Pacers and when they win the serious Like I told 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.160 you all, what's gonna happen, Joe, I'm just gonna sleek 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.200 that in there. Joe, you owe me one hundred dollars two. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.879 I want to listen. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.200 Listen, money money out of Site called the fight. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:26.679 I don't want to listen. He a gp G. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.760 Listen, so listen the last series. You know, obviously the 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.520 next to them win. So I was upset. So Joe 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.040 and I we got a little bet. So yeah, on 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.280 each game, we got one hundred dollars bet on each game. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.480 Yeah, so you don't want to so you have two 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:41.520 hundred and Joe went on. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:46.960 So yeah, you up on, honey, right the right, Joe 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:54.440 Joe cash Hally play heroics have earned him a new 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.560 nickname in the Basketball Reference. His name now is gp 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:04.280 O Joe and Joe Tyrese. The moment Halliburton, the moment, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:06.920 like it. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:07.919 Like it. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.600 In the moment, he'll get what he has to in 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.440 the moment, he'll make a big shot. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.840 At that moment. He might not be playing well at 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:16.400 all time. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.400 Yeah, when the omen come and the lights shine on him, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.440 he always performs. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.880 So I would give him that that that that nick 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.560 name that I like it. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.960 I like what Joe, I like what you said that 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.840 he would he know, he went to the store and 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.640 he was just hey, he just went didn't do nothing. Nah, 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:39.560 tryal some ishje the shirt, Hey, hey how much the shoes? 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.400 I be tryal something tonight he came out. He wasn't 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.679 looking to just pass the ball of. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.600 A No you do it? 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.160 Hey A Miles Turner, Hey nim Hard No, no, you 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.040 you the guy. You see when he's aggressive, when he's 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.400 in the twenties and he has a level of sist. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.399 So now he's giving you his twenty. Now you got 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.600 a level assist. You know, a couple of those gonna 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.400 have to be off threes. So now he's getting everybody 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.320 involved and he's involved. They can definitely win this series 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.400 if he's going to play like that. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.840 But we shouldn't have to have like damn had it? 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.800 Come on, bro, Why we got to tell you every 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.960 other game you need to be aggressive? 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.600