WEBVTT - 5: Dolores Onstage

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<v Speaker 1>Trigger warning. This podcast involves discussions of child sexual abuse

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<v Speaker 1>and pedophilia. Listener discretion is advised. Alan Jay Lerner didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to take suggestions from his assistant. He was Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Learner. He was a Broadway legend. He had written

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics and librettos for huge musicals like My Fair Lady

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<v Speaker 1>for Camelot, for Brigade Doone. I don't know what Brigade

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<v Speaker 1>Dooon is, he wrote it. He'd worked in movies doing

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<v Speaker 1>the music with collaborator Frederick Lowe for Gigi, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote An American in Paris. But those hits were a

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<v Speaker 1>while back now, and it was the nineteen seventies. Learner's

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<v Speaker 1>work didn't fit as well into the Broadway culture at

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies. It kicked off hits that had overwhelmed New

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<v Speaker 1>York in a culture shifting way in the mid to

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<v Speaker 1>late sixties into the early seventies were sexy, edgy stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like Hair and Cabaret and Company. And by nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>God's Bell and Jesus Christ super Star. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>sexy Jesus musicals. Broadway was getting horny, and Alan Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Lerner was not a horny lyricist. His work was pretty traditional,

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<v Speaker 1>featuring heavy costumes and straightforward love stories with catchy burst

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<v Speaker 1>into song hits, and now that luster was wearing off.

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<v Speaker 1>His last two shows were nominated for a handful of Tony's,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were not the smash, financial and culture defining

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<v Speaker 1>hits he'd had with Low up through Camelot in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty the chased Alan jay Lerner needed to get with

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<v Speaker 1>the times. He needed to listen to his assistant. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you see where this is going. His assistant wanted

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<v Speaker 1>him to adapt Lolita by Vladimir Tobakov, and I quickly

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<v Speaker 1>want to give a huge shout out to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the top keepers of Lolita history, writer Sarah Weinman, who

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<v Speaker 1>we talked to last week for collecting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this information on the musical back in article for Vulture,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will link in the show notes. So did

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<v Speaker 1>Alan j Lerner understand Lolita? Uh? I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Lolita is much more pertinent now than when

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<v Speaker 1>the film was made. Humbard is such a tragic, flawed

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<v Speaker 1>and misplaced romantic lost in post World War two. They're

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<v Speaker 1>countless men like him over forty who find it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up in the morning and not blink once

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<v Speaker 1>or twice at the life facing them. Oh, absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever just hear how any person who has

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<v Speaker 1>ever adapted this book talks about the story and your

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<v Speaker 1>head just like explodes like that scene in Scanners. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unbelievable. But okay, who's collaborating on this with Mr Lerner?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a composer named John Barry, a suave Englishman most

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<v Speaker 1>famous for writing the theme song to James Bond. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in his late thirties. To Learners fifty one or

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<v Speaker 1>Is Learner would describe it a contemporary man go off.

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<v Speaker 1>Also on Learner's team is producer Norman Twain, who was

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<v Speaker 1>notorious in theater and film for being a gigantic personality

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<v Speaker 1>with big hits and bigger misses. For an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>what his vibe is, here's a quote pulled from the

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<v Speaker 1>Associated Press piece on the auditions for Lolita in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to have a girl who makes a man

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<v Speaker 1>forget the moral conventions of society, but it's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be a complete mental situation. If Lolita is five ft

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<v Speaker 1>five with a great figure, it would be perfectly normal

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<v Speaker 1>for from Bear to go after her. The musical was

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<v Speaker 1>to be called Lolita My Love, and it's the last

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at an adaptation Vladimir Tobakov would ever sign off

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<v Speaker 1>on before his passing in ninety seven. By this time,

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<v Speaker 1>he was living in Montro Palace in Switzerland, working on

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<v Speaker 1>new novels full time and enjoying the residuals that Lolita

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<v Speaker 1>continued to rake in. He is, as he was during

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<v Speaker 1>the Kubrick movie, strongly averse to the idea of an

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<v Speaker 1>actual twelve year old playing the part night after night,

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<v Speaker 1>calling it sinful and immoral. This is, according to ken

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<v Speaker 1>Endel bomb book not since Carrie this statement aside, Nabokov

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<v Speaker 1>appears to have had all the faith in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mr my fair Lady at first saying the following,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Lerner is a most talented and excellent classicist. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have to make a musical version of Lolita, he

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<v Speaker 1>is the one to do it well. Keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>Nabakov also said that about Kubrick two back in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see where this goes. Back to those low

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<v Speaker 1>La auditions in November nineteen seventy, dozens of girls as

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<v Speaker 1>young as ten and oldest twenty one went to the

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Rose Theater to audition for the head Hanchos and

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Whyneman's piece kind of distills the vibe at these auditions.

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<v Speaker 1>A thirteen year old audition ee said the following to

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter. I wouldn't like to be Lolita, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>still like to play the part. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those auditioning legally had to be accompanied by a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>and the parents also had takes. There's a wickedness wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you go. It's just lucky my daughter only play accit.

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<v Speaker 1>The audition process sounded similar to that of Stanley Koprick

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<v Speaker 1>and James B. Harris's a lot of young girls, bodies

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<v Speaker 1>being appraised, a lot of extremely personal questions. Don't wear

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<v Speaker 1>makeup next time, said one of the producers to a

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<v Speaker 1>girl who was auditioning. I wanted to look sexy. The

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<v Speaker 1>girl replied, you look sexy anyways, he said, yikes. The

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<v Speaker 1>actor eventually selected for the role of Lolita was named

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<v Speaker 1>Annette Farah, now a casting director who goes by Chris Gilmore.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be talking to her today and at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>she was fifteen years old and from a Los Angeles family.

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<v Speaker 1>More interested in her music career than being Lolita, but

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<v Speaker 1>being offered the lead in an Alan J. Lerner musical

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<v Speaker 1>that was grounds to be launched into superstardom, Honey, and

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<v Speaker 1>so she jumped at the opportunity and was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>relocate to New York from Los Angeles with her sister.

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<v Speaker 1>She had had a guest spot on The Brady Bunch

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in nineteen seventy and had sung a number of

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<v Speaker 1>obscure but very catchy teen hits in the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>and had a promise in rear Ahead, including this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>B side I found on YouTube. She's saying nineteen seven,

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<v Speaker 1>You're a dumb dumb iconic stuff. Everyone go to YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to You're a Dumb dumb. So at fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Farah told the Associated Press her take on the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Lolita. Oh no, there's nothing dirty about what Humber does.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a crime. In the ant umbar is cured.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a love story. Interestingly, she had not read

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<v Speaker 1>the book at the time of being cast, so this

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<v Speaker 1>impression she's sharing is an impression made from the loretto

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<v Speaker 1>of the musical. Other leading roles included Dorothy Lowden, as

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Hayes. She'd later originate the role of Mrs Hannigan

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<v Speaker 1>and Annie and as Humbert the Shakespearean actor John Neville.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd also been in the mix for the Cooper adaptation,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least physically and in terms of stuffy englishness,

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like a good fit for the part. Rehearsals began

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<v Speaker 1>with February one previews at the Schubert Theater in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>In mind and producer Norman Twain was hyping it up,

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<v Speaker 1>even as things behind the scenes remained very chaotic. As choreography, music,

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<v Speaker 1>and story remained in fairly constant flux, Twaine assured local paper,

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<v Speaker 1>The Camden Courier Post that Lolita My Love would be

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing Alan's ever done, including My Fair Lady,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Alan J. Lerner and John Baba Baba Ba

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<v Speaker 1>Barry was that funny, okay, that they would be even

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<v Speaker 1>better than Learner and Low had been, no better than

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers and Hammerstein, no better than Olivia Benson and Elliott Stabler.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never watched s VU, but but I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>that might hit for people. When asked what Lolita My

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<v Speaker 1>Love was like as a show, Twain said the following.

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<v Speaker 1>No contraver see, no nudity, no four letter words, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>which compromises the taste of membo. The moral is that

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<v Speaker 1>total obsession with anything destroys a person, whether the obsessions

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl or a philosophy here. Okay, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you've not done. Could I be involved with a nim fete? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>It could be, absolutely. There are certain types of girls,

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<v Speaker 1>little girls FETs, but all else being equal, would turn

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<v Speaker 1>me on if you met them in a motel by chance.

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<v Speaker 1>But I haven't fallen yet. I've been playing it pretty straight.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife prefers it that way. So before the short

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<v Speaker 1>history of Lolita my Love was complete, the lead a

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<v Speaker 1>net Farah would be replaced for reasons we'll discussed today.

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<v Speaker 1>The show was completely reworked multiple times, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>lost nearly a million dollars in ninety one money in

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<v Speaker 1>production costs. A playbill from the show's final run in

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<v Speaker 1>Boston at the Schubert Theater proclaimed a two act sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>produce auction that started in Ramsdale with songs like in

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<v Speaker 1>the Broken Promised Land of fifteen and Dante, Petrarch and

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<v Speaker 1>Poe all the way through Humbert Sweeping Lolita away to

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<v Speaker 1>the Betty By Motel and to Beardsley with Quilties, showstopper

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<v Speaker 1>March Out of My Life. I'm not kidding. Nabokov never

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<v Speaker 1>saw the show. He was enthusiastic at first, but much

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<v Speaker 1>like his experience with the Cooper adaptation, his enthusiasm for

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<v Speaker 1>the adaptation wilted over time. By October ninety one, he

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<v Speaker 1>told The New York Times the following if they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, someday, they're going to do it, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had better be around when they do it, not

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<v Speaker 1>only to criticize the thing, but also to explain that

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing to do with it. So why haven't

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<v Speaker 1>we heard about Lolita, My love, the show that brought

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<v Speaker 1>you my least favorite line in all of music? Who

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<v Speaker 1>is the piper who likes them? Post? Because it never

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<v Speaker 1>debuted on Broadway? This is lowly to podcast. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Lolita Podcast. I am your host, Jamie Loftus, and

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<v Speaker 1>today I think we're going to get about as close

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<v Speaker 1>to some levity as this series is going to get,

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<v Speaker 1>because we are talking about Lolita on stage now. Saying

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is going to be a little lighter doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that there isn't still a fair amount of trauma

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<v Speaker 1>being discussed this is Lolita Podcast, and there certainly is.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we're talking about the Broadway musical of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one by Alan Jay Lerner one adaptation by Edward Albe,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the mattering of international ballets, stage shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and operas in a recent attempted revival of Lolita My

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<v Speaker 1>Love in New York, which spoiler alert is the first

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<v Speaker 1>adaptation of Lolita ever to be directed by a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say it, Lolita does not work on stage, or hasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, but the reasons why fall into the

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<v Speaker 1>same trappings that most adaptations of Lolita don't, but in

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<v Speaker 1>a uniquely theatrical way. I think the reason that the

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<v Speaker 1>two Broadway failures that we're gonna be talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>most specifically rank as less harmful in terms of adaptation

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<v Speaker 1>is because one wouldn't debut on Broadway at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>the other would barely make it out of the starting gate.

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<v Speaker 1>They were completely panned, and they never really got the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to do much cultural harm to anybody, except, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the girls and women playing the titular role. Another pattern

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<v Speaker 1>that is well established that will be devoting an entire

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<v Speaker 1>episode two in a couple of weeks. Today, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be speaking to Chris Gilmore, formerly a net Farah, who

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<v Speaker 1>played Lolita in the nineteen seventy one musical, Blanche Baker,

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<v Speaker 1>who played Lolita in the one adaptation by Edward Albi,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jacob Holder, the executive director of the Edward F.

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<v Speaker 1>Alby Foundation. In this episode, I think you'll notice a

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<v Speaker 1>few trends solidifying in the adaptations of Lolita, carrying over

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<v Speaker 1>from the Stanley Kubrick movie that have a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>common and are also very uniquely of their time. So

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<v Speaker 1>with that in mind, let's return to nineteen seventy. My

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<v Speaker 1>parents are in elementary school and a few hours south

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<v Speaker 1>of where they lived. Lolita my Love was in production

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<v Speaker 1>preparing for a February debut in Philly. The cast dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with constant content changes, and the show debuted to uh

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<v Speaker 1>these reviews in its present form, which will doubtlessly be

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<v Speaker 1>drastically altered before it leaves down. The show is only

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost of Nabokov's comic masterpiece. The kindest thing that

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<v Speaker 1>can be said out the musical is that it's a disaster. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>by all accounts it didn't work. This February shipwreck made

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<v Speaker 1>the original March thirty intended Broadway debut more or less impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Learner and Barry had a ton of overhaul to do

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<v Speaker 1>and would need a successful preview to go off without

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<v Speaker 1>a hit. Before hitting a New York stage, producer Norman

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<v Speaker 1>Twain went into damage control mode, saying that quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>show didn't work technically, and when things don't work technically,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing goes right. I can see the backstage crew rolling

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes from here. That was not the problem. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the material, and after the failure of the Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>shows critically, with this constant material change, we see some

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<v Speaker 1>of the key players get shuffled out. Director Tito Capo

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<v Speaker 1>Bianco is replaced by British director Noel Willman, and Annette

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<v Speaker 1>Farah leaves the production as Lolita Now. The reason given

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<v Speaker 1>by the production at the time for firing Farah, who

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<v Speaker 1>had been styled to look very similar to Sue Lyon

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<v Speaker 1>and kuprisill Alita, was detailed in a gossip column of

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<v Speaker 1>the time which was unearthed by Sarah Weinman. It says

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<v Speaker 1>that Pharaoh was quote looking twenty four when she was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be sixteen unquote. The reality, according to Chris Gilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>was very different. More in that shortly after Fara departs,

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<v Speaker 1>auditions for Lolita are held again, including a young Sissy

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<v Speaker 1>spacect but Denise Nickerson is the choice for the role

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of Nabokov's initial anxieties of casting a girl

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<v Speaker 1>of Dolores Hayes's real age in the book, Nickerson was

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<v Speaker 1>only thirteen. During that next round of previews, she was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five pounds and four ft nine, and her hair

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<v Speaker 1>was styled into the blonde bob evocative of lions. And

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<v Speaker 1>if Denise Nickerson's name sounds familiar, it's because she plays

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<v Speaker 1>Violet Beauregard in The Gene Wilder, Willy Wonka and the

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<v Speaker 1>Chocolate Factory and had just finished shooting shortly before taking

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<v Speaker 1>the role. Nickerson sadly passed away last year, but with

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<v Speaker 1>the changes in cast and libretto made the show launched

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<v Speaker 1>again that March in Boston at the Schubert Theater and

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<v Speaker 1>in only lasted nine performances. Luckily for us, or put

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<v Speaker 1>a pin in that maybe not, but for my purpose

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<v Speaker 1>is lucky. A recording from the audio board from Boston

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<v Speaker 1>is preserved in full, giving us recordings of the songs

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<v Speaker 1>and an idea of what the show sounded like, although

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<v Speaker 1>the extensive dance numbers, yes you hurt that right, remain

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<v Speaker 1>lost to history. And no matter how many giggles of

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyment you hear from the nineties seventies Bostonians in the

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<v Speaker 1>clips you're gonna hear today, the reviews in Boston were

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<v Speaker 1>just as rough. I'm afraid it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>case of better never than late. Do you be taking

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<v Speaker 1>us first? Are melodrama or satire or just a dirty

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<v Speaker 1>musical comedy? Some good music and some fine wit, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is done in by the plot. We mean style

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<v Speaker 1>and daste and depth. And these are things which al

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<v Speaker 1>and Jay Lemo's idea of theater evidently can no longer offer. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that last review was from the Harvard Crimson. So just

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<v Speaker 1>imagine like an eighteen year old with a suit that's

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<v Speaker 1>too big saying that. So Lolita, my love flops in Philly,

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<v Speaker 1>it flops in Boston. And Lerner was desperate to save

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<v Speaker 1>the production. He rewrote the show again twice, renamed it

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<v Speaker 1>Light of My Life, which seems like kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>lateral move in terms of creepy sounding titles, and he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to recast the leads again, pursuing Rex Harrison for Humbert.

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<v Speaker 1>Rex Harrison was in My Fair Lady and Haley Mills

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<v Speaker 1>for Lolita, and Haley Mills at this point was too

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<v Speaker 1>old for the role by quite a bit, at age

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and she had already turned down the role

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<v Speaker 1>of Lolita in Stanley Koper's production nearly ten years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Nabokov had this to say about Fara and Nickerson, the

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<v Speaker 1>two Lolita's cast in a musical. He had never seen

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<v Speaker 1>both girls, the one they fired and the one who

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<v Speaker 1>replaced her, were awful little boozym me girls, the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>type altogether. Uh what. By the end, Lolita My Love

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<v Speaker 1>had hemorrhaged a million dollars and it never debuted on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was ready to move on, and they did. But

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<v Speaker 1>don't cry for this musical, because I think you will

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<v Speaker 1>understand why it flopped when we give the one surviving

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<v Speaker 1>bootleg recording a little listen. This adaptation is so extremely

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<v Speaker 1>off the mark that it was genuinely hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the whiplash of the tone. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you thought the Kubrick adaptation was being played too

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<v Speaker 1>much for comedy. You have not heard anything. This musical

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just a comedy of manners. Humbered Humbert is presented

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<v Speaker 1>as a full on comedic hero and Lolita and My

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<v Speaker 1>Love never made it far enough into production to ever

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<v Speaker 1>release a cast album. So what's being pulled from here

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<v Speaker 1>is a rehearsal that's taking place in front of an

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<v Speaker 1>audience in Boston, my home city. And please do not

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<v Speaker 1>judge them too harshly for how much they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>love this. There's a lot of adaptation changes that were

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<v Speaker 1>popularized in Kubrick's Lolita that follow through to this adaptation.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone calls the lead Lolita instead of Dolly or Dolores.

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<v Speaker 1>Quilty has a hugely inflated presence, and Humbert is a

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<v Speaker 1>long standing teacher, But the bizarreness of this adaptation is

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<v Speaker 1>uniquely its own. It opens with Humbert Humbert talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the audience at the beginning of the show, explaining what

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<v Speaker 1>nymphets are to us. The stage format does make it

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<v Speaker 1>much easier for Humbert to break the fourth wall and

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<v Speaker 1>speak to the audience directly, and this show does take

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<v Speaker 1>smart advantage of that at times. How many of you

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<v Speaker 1>have ever committed a murder? I under it surprisingly unsurprising experience.

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<v Speaker 1>For eighteen years of my quality, I have been a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Every morning while shaving, I invariedly looked in the mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and said, Humbert, you look exactly like a teacher. The

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<v Speaker 1>day after the murder, I looked in the mirror and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, humble you, she'll look exactly. Humbert says he

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<v Speaker 1>was teaching at a girls school in Switzerland, had to

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<v Speaker 1>break down, then goes to Ramsdale, Vermont, to give lectures

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<v Speaker 1>at the local college. Now where in New England Ramsdale

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of varies depending on the adaptation. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire for Kubrick Vermont. In this adaptation, who knows why,

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<v Speaker 1>but Humbert does mention to us that he got divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert goes to Ramsdale and meets Charlotte, who brings up

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<v Speaker 1>her deceased husband Harold and shows Humbert her dead husband's

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<v Speaker 1>gun and his ashes. You're married, divorce, madam, happily divorced

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago in Paris, Oh Harrod magic. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of laughing on this recording, and Dorothy Loudden is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going for comedy with Charlotte here, but also it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like everybody's going for comedy. Denise Nickerson is introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to us as Lolita, and at age thirteen, she really

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<v Speaker 1>does sound thirteen, possibly more so than anyone who was

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<v Speaker 1>or played the part. You are Lolita, Lola, Lolita, there

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<v Speaker 1>are me, and just keep in mind for a reference

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<v Speaker 1>of how old she looked at this time. She plays

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<v Speaker 1>Violet Beauregard in Willy Wonka this same exact year. Humbard's

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<v Speaker 1>journals are significantly watered down to keep things light, and

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<v Speaker 1>he sings about Annabel to Lolita in the song in

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<v Speaker 1>the Broken Promised Land of fifteen. Perhaps it looks more

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<v Speaker 1>like a little girl that I knew many many years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>where Prince by the Sea Lolita never learned of Annabel,

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<v Speaker 1>and other adaptations that I know of. So it's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting deviation, is that man upon the side. Another repeated

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<v Speaker 1>trend here is that Charlotte so heartlessly treated by the

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<v Speaker 1>script that the audience is trained to respond to some

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<v Speaker 1>really brutal lines from Humbert with laughter rumbling upstairs like

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<v Speaker 1>a truck on the street. Bursting into my room like

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<v Speaker 1>a horrs and heat that like driving out of my sight,

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<v Speaker 1>my only to the light of my life. Humbert is

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<v Speaker 1>preparing a lecture for Charlotte's group on the poets. I

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<v Speaker 1>intend to dwell exclusively on Fante fell in up with

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<v Speaker 1>Beatrice when she was nine, pet trot Will fell in

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<v Speaker 1>up with Laura when she was twelve, and Edgar Allan

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<v Speaker 1>Poe married Virginia when she was Humbert also makes very

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<v Speaker 1>little effort to conceal his true nature in this show,

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<v Speaker 1>but the people surrounding him are written to be so

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<v Speaker 1>clueless that it doesn't seem to matter. For my money,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't be more obvious. I won't speak to one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, only to Lolita, and Lolita, while remaining and

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<v Speaker 1>behaving twelve years old, is still framed to be a seductress,

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<v Speaker 1>and her quote unquote fluziness is often a pause for

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<v Speaker 1>laugh moment as actually, when Quialty is on stage, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see little Lovelica. She must have grown. She's

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping out tonight, she must have Pulling from kuberc here,

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<v Speaker 1>Quilty comes to Ramsdale and meets Humbert. He's famous. His

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<v Speaker 1>plays are on TV, and he's also already familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of a nymphant infant a nymphet by me

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<v Speaker 1>caps Walker say how is your daughter? Gross? This is

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<v Speaker 1>a song called Dante, Petrarch and Poe. This song is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the best and the worst of what all of

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<v Speaker 1>the adaptations have to offer, all said and done, you

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<v Speaker 1>see it is a Lectures exclusive plick features poets enraptured

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<v Speaker 1>and captured by creatures. Any pue, peasant, pessant, you peasant

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<v Speaker 1>chan them and throw them? What else is there to

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<v Speaker 1>call them but a nymphant? Because it's gross and awful

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to make you laugh about one of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst crimes that plagues humanity. But it's all so written

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<v Speaker 1>by the same guy who did My Fair Lady, and

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<v Speaker 1>the music is good. My head is exploding. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>that viper who likes them post viper? Who is that

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<v Speaker 1>viper that likes them post diaper? Why would you write

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<v Speaker 1>that this is how that song ends? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at the house, Charlotte tries to seduce Humbert with

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<v Speaker 1>a show stopping number that I'm pretty sure it includes

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<v Speaker 1>an extensive dance routine. But Lolita comes home from a party,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and Humbert immediately start flirting. You remind me

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<v Speaker 1>of a sleepy Flamingo. Charlie gets a more sympathetic moment

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<v Speaker 1>than she does in other adaptations at this point. She

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<v Speaker 1>expresses regret at coming to rm Stell and expresses her loneliness.

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<v Speaker 1>Lolita then delivers Charlotte's letter, and while Lolita is away,

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert and Charlotte get married mother Englishman stepfather. Humbert, in

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<v Speaker 1>keeping with being the cruelest Humbert in this entire adaptation

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<v Speaker 1>catalog actually maybe put a pin in that until later

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode. But Humbert then sings a literal song

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<v Speaker 1>about how much he hates being married to Charlotte for

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty days. She talked and talked days me woked

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<v Speaker 1>and wopped in the rain. That wouldn't head kill my

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<v Speaker 1>toes began to web following that, he sings a whole

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<v Speaker 1>song about all the ways he wants to kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never have the heart to shoot her with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun. The way that this song is just presented

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<v Speaker 1>as women right with my hands, all with the puta

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, with the all a night baby is

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in the show, especially where Humbert's word

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<v Speaker 1>is taken at face value. Here, he's the comedic hero,

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<v Speaker 1>the maligned husband with the loud, emasculating wife who's preventing

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<v Speaker 1>him from doing what he wants to. I would never

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<v Speaker 1>have Poisin. Charlotte finds Humbert's journal as normal. She's furious,

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<v Speaker 1>But then this has also played for comedy. How don't

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<v Speaker 1>we ever given Charlotte what ship? This happens right after

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<v Speaker 1>she realizes her new husband wants to sexually abuse her

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old daughter. I mean, at this point, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not surprised, but Jesus, Charlotte gets hit by the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert is informed, and then the crowd laughs and laughs

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<v Speaker 1>as he says the reprise about the song about him

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to kill her. He gets a hotel room and

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<v Speaker 1>tells the camp not to mention Charlotte with death, picks

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<v Speaker 1>Lolita up and takes her to the betty By Hotel. Intermission.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at the betty By Hotel, which is the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing as the Enchanted Hunter's Hotel. Lolita says that Charlotte

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<v Speaker 1>is going to and stre but she doesn't use the

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<v Speaker 1>incest word as she does in the book. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot more Lolita in this adaptation than we

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<v Speaker 1>do in some others, and to be fair, we do

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<v Speaker 1>see different sides of her emotionally. Shortly after getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel, she says that she wants to see her

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<v Speaker 1>mom and leave the hotel. In response, Humbert sings her

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<v Speaker 1>a song called tell Me, Tell Me to try to

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<v Speaker 1>seduce her into not wanting to go home now. In

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<v Speaker 1>the book, this is the scene where Humbert first rapes Lolita,

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<v Speaker 1>and the musical is wise enough to reference it without

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<v Speaker 1>showing anything. The way Humbert describes the moment to the audience, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is a daunable face on my naked chest. She told

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<v Speaker 1>me I was not the first. Oh, how innocent is

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord? He thought he was punishing a sinner, the

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<v Speaker 1>only lessoned my do. It's like that, And when she

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<v Speaker 1>learns that her mother has been killed, she has a

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<v Speaker 1>far more expressive outburst at him than in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>You Never Get You to Get Me? Why the women

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<v Speaker 1>always have to cry? They go straight to Beardsley, skipping

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<v Speaker 1>the entire road trip. Lolita tries to bribe him about

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<v Speaker 1>the play. Immediately says, I love you to increase the

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of getting what she wants. The scene with Lolita's

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<v Speaker 1>head mistress on whether she can do the play or

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<v Speaker 1>not is included, but it's turned up to an eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>The headmistress gives Humbert an ultimatum that he must either

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<v Speaker 1>let Dolly do the play or go to a weird

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<v Speaker 1>class with her two nights a week where they get

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<v Speaker 1>to the root of her sexual trauma. Like in Koper's adaptation,

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<v Speaker 1>Quilty is very present in Beardsley. We see him at

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<v Speaker 1>the school, and Humbert is well aware that he's around.

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>He's not on the margins or in disguise as in

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>other versions. Tells me about the cast. They must be

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<v Speaker 1>quite young, butler on the inside. In fact, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole scene with Quilty and Lolita. Quilty openly flirt with

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>her while they're at school, and then he sings a

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>song called March Out of My Life about his own

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>tortured attraction to Lolita. Meanwhile, Lolita is portrayed as far

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>more outwardly devious than she is in Nabokov's book. She

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>blackmails Humbert. She says she'll tell her friends about him

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't pay up. He's portrayed sympath athetically as

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>a man who is losing touch with reality and being

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>tricked by a girl who seems to be doing absolutely fine.

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You cannot torment me like this. I love you too much?

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that all you have to say? I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be loved so much fun at least for me.

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>But in this scene, for all of this musical's glaring,

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>glaring failures, I really liked the song that Lolita sings

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>here at the height of her outward anger at Humbert.

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>It's called all you can do is tell me you

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<v Speaker 1>love me. That's all you can do is give me

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<v Speaker 1>in prison and tell me it's love. I tell you

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it is all I can do. Think about you. Now,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Humbert is still framed as pathetic, and she's framed as

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<v Speaker 1>a mastermind. But I thought this was a solid cathartic

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>look into Lolita's mind. Humbert gives the idea to leave town,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and they leave Beardsley, just as in the book. She

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>gets away at three years pass Humbert runs into Lolita's

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>old friend Mona from Beardsley. Fun fact, this is played

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>by Judy Garland's daughter Laura left. Mona tells her that

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Lolita ran away with Quilty. Humbert kills Quilty before going

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to see Lolita, and Lolita has just heard about Quiality's murder.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>When Humbert arrives, Lolita refers to Quilty's attempt to coerce

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>her into being in pornography as group activity, but she

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>says that she forgives him what he was fun. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end, Humbert is arrested in front of Lolita and

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<v Speaker 1>the show is over, just like in the Kuper movie,

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Lolita Lives. Yea. I mean, what else is there to say?

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It's all right there that this was truly a springtime

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>for hitler attempt to make one of the most hideous

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>crimes a person can commit into a lighthearted musical that

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>blames the child that, in the case of Denise Nickerson,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>looks and sounds very much like a child for her

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>own abuse. Koper's adaptation looks deeply nuanced by comparison, and

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the story behind the scenes was just as unsettling. I

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>mentioned a net Farah earlier, the original Lolita in Lolita

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>My Love and the girl who appears on the poster

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>even after being replaced. We'll be talking to her at

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>length in our episode on the actors who have played

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Lolita in the past. But I wanted to share this

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>here because in the story of this musical, she is

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>generally reduced to a footnote in the already hard to

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>access history of the show. And that's not fair because

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the press clipping I quoted earlier about her looking twenty

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>four more than sixteen as the reason for her dismissal

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was not the case at all. Parah would have been

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>fifteen going on sixteen at this time, a minor with

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>very little control over how she was styled. She's now

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>a casting director and producer in Los Angeles who goes

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>by Chris Gilmore, and she has a new project called

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Blood Pageant starring Snoop Dog. I know she rocks. We

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>caught up over the summer and she explained the circumstances

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of her dismissal from Lolita, My love. Had you read

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the book before going into the show or was or

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>had you seen the movie from the sixties or so?

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I never read the book And when I Allen asked

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 1>me that, I said, no, Mr Lerner, I never read

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the book, and he said, well don't, He said, since

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you didn't, I want you to put the spin on it,

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>you know that you and he worked with me a little.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>He counseled me, and you know, we did work through

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the problem that I had never dated. I was so

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>virginal and perfect with that that it was something that

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't, you know, going to hide from him. I

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was saying, well, you know, approaching this, here's my thought.

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>The There was one scene was the most risque scene

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>we had, um where I had a little blue nightgown.

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>It was short, but it looked like a dress and

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, thank god, it wasn't like see through or anything,

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>but it looked like a little blue baby doll dress.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>It was really cute and so, um, I'm supposed to

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>be in a motel room with Humbert. Humbert, I take

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>my hand, and believe me, they rehearsed this thing so

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>many times because it was so important to them. How

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>my hand raised from the bed to like get my

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>finger and call him in enough and then the lights

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>go out. So they never showed two people getting together anything.

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>But it was very um it was like a ballet

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know because because I well, well I'm

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>jumping ahead though, I go, what's what's the snaps on

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the top of my nightgown. What they had this? What

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>did they do to it? And nobody wanted to tell me.

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is a hell of a way to hit

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it on an actress, but you know, um, I went

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>around and then somebody said, well, Mr Learner will come in,

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and so he told me, well, the snaps are in

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the top because you're gonna drop your nightgown. You're gonna

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>rip it off and drop it in that scene rather

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>than I said, but yeah, but we rehearsed for three

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>days how to lift my finger to call him to

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the bed. You wanted it sensual, you wanted a certain way,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden, I'm not gonna lift

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>my finger. You know, I was I trained method Meisner,

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>comedy improm I added all I sang uh. And yet

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>they they wanted me to be a stripper too, And

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing wrong with strippers, God bless him, but I

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a stripper and I shouldn't have had to be

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>a stripper. I mean, you almost feel guilty, like you're

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>killing somebody to walk away from it. And so I

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>had this big conflict inside because everything inside of me said,

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to drop this outfit in front of

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of people. Well, you're a kid, you're fifteen, maybe sixteen,

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 1>and that's not a reasonable request for a child, and

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it's demeaning to me. It almost it almost, um, you know,

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>adulterates the fact that I'm a singer and actor. And

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>if that's what people come for, then they're not coming

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the art, you know. So I cried,

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and then I called my agent and I see him.

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>He was on the West coast and he said, I'll

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>be here tomorrow. I'm dropping everything. Um, he's not with

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.240
<v Speaker 1>him anymore. But his name was Ron. Ron was amazing,

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 1>and so he flew to the coast. He said, this

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>isn't in your contract. They can't do this to you,

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and you're a minor. And he had to talk with

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>them and they said, but we have to add this

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 1>hair has big box office seals. We want this, and

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>she won't be naked, she'll have a sea through body

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>stalking on. Well, I don't know what the difference is really.

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I know and I could see your

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>breasts and I could see your cha cha and everything else,

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>then you're naked. You know, it doesn't matter to see

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:31.919
<v Speaker 1>through body stalking or not. And so I refused, and

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>then I'll never forget the producer's last words. He said,

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>well you're too virtuous. Thank you so much to Chris Gilmore,

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and we'll be talking more about her career and experience

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>in Lolita soon. She has had a fascinating life so far.

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>So there's obviously a lot to unpack with this musical.

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Piper, yes, but also other stuff. We're going

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to analyze Learner's lowly to and I'll bes Lowlita together

0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 1>towards the end of this episode. But one thing I

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>want to say here is that, in spite of all

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the bad feedback Learner rightfully got in response to this show,

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>almost none of it had to do with the quality

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of he and Barry's music. And I wouldn't call myself

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a musical theater expert, but I was too into Phantom

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of the Opera in middle school, and as such I

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>feel qualified to comment because a lot of the music

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 1>in Lolita My Love is extremely sticky, and that's another

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 1>reason I'm glad a proper cast album never got released.

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>As we're going to discuss in future episodes about how

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Lolita and Dolores have been remembered in music. One of

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the most effective ways to get bad info into the

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>minds of the general public is to make a simple, catchy,

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>highly repeatable song about it. Dante, Petrarch and Poe is

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the most abjectly creepy songs I have ever heard,

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's been stuck in my head for six months

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>against my will. While Lolita My Love's Music is an

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>extreme example of this, think of other earworms that have

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>gotten similar mess edges across and hit songs. I literally

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.479
<v Speaker 1>couldn't possibly name them all. It would take all week.

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, off the top of my head, you have

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>every Disney Villain song ever you have, like Blurred Lines.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm a militant feminist and I listened to that song

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>for an entire summer. Really any like legendary seventies boomer

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>band has a famous song that is an ode to

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.439
<v Speaker 1>an underage girl as an ostensibly consenting party. And then

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>think a learner's own creepy, immortal hit the song Thank

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Heaven for Little Girls from g I hadn't thought about

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>this song in a very long time, and so I'm

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna share some of the lyrics here. Thank Heaven for

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Little Girls. They grow up in the most delightful way.

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Those little eyes so helpless and appealing when they were

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:50.399
<v Speaker 1>flashing send you crashing through the ceiling Nabokov. Why did

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>we hire this man? I mean the people selected for

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>these adaptations. It's a problem. So if you thought that

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Lolita My Love flopping would put Broadway off the whole

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 1>story for another generation, you would be incorrect. Just ten

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.439
<v Speaker 1>years later, a handful of years after, in a Book

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>of Death, then a Book of Estate, that is to say,

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Vera and Dmitrina book off. At that point approved playwright

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Edward Albi to do a very different, gritty, non musical

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 1>play adaptation, and spoiler alert, it also never makes it

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to Broadway, but for different reasons. Allow me to explain

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and what must be one of the best hidden secrets

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>of Broadway casting shame Albe's Humbert. Humbert is Donald Sutherland,

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding, and his Lolita is played by Blanche Baker, who,

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>at the time of this production was around twenty four

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>years old. Donald Sutherland could not be reached for this podcast,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>but we know about the behind the scenes of this

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>production was that, like Lolita My Love, it was incredibly tumultuous.

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Albie had the full cooperation of the nabookof Estate, but

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>at this point the primary contact was in a book

0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>off son Dimitri, whose track record overseeing adaptations was is mixed.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't a great period in the career or life

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>of Edward Albi, who had gone through a period of

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.720
<v Speaker 1>extreme success with works like Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties eight won a Pulitzer in nineteen

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>seventy five for a play called Seascape. He was a

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>master of dialogue and style, but not necessarily of adaptation,

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>albeit had some success adapting Carson mccullors to the stage,

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and another with Everything in the Garden from a play

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>by Giles Cooper, but his attempt to adapt Truman Capote's

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Breakfast at Tiffany's in nineteen sixty six never even opened

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>on Broadway, and his attempt at Nabukov's Lolita in eighty

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>one only ran twelve shows before closing. Albie's strength was

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>his own voice, a leader in the theater of the absurd, who,

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in this Jamie's opinion, had such a distinct voice that

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.240
<v Speaker 1>it seemed to kind of chafe with the very distinct

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>voice of Nabukov he was trying to adapt. Albi was

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>very edgy and very sharp, unaff aid to show and

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>simulate sex, to shock his audience, the same things that

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Nabokov intentionally hid behind curtains of language and deception to

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>try and fool his jury into sympathizing with the despicable protagonist.

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Albi's interpretation of Humbert leaves no question of who he is,

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and the experience of even reading it made my skin crawl.

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 1>The biggest addition and change that Albi makes, without a doubt,

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>is a character called a certain Gentleman, a narrator to

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the story who is meant to be a stand in

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>for Nabokov himself, who guides Humbert Humbert through the play

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 1>and exposes him to the audience for the monster he is. Ordinarily,

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Humbert is our narrator, and he manipulates us into seeing

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the events of Lolita his way. Albi takes the route

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of using the character of a certain Gentleman to show

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>us how the author of the show is manipulating Humbert,

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>who in turn is manipulating us the audience. A certain

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Gentleman will say things like tiss tist, tist dirty old man.

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>When Humbert says something that is clearly reflecting the mindset

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of a child sex abuser, and this kind of creates

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>this air of distance and annoyance that a certain gentleman

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>has with the protagonist. And I was pretty fascinated by

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>that choice, because I think it helps in some ways

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and in hurts in others. It's definitely the clearest tool

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen used to make it clear that Humbert

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 1>is not reliable, is not noble, is not an artist.

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>But it also strangely works against the production by having

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it made constantly clear that another person is making Humbert's

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>decisions for him. It almost succeeds more in making us

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>question the bulk off than the child sexual abuser he's

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 1>writing about. It creates a strange amount of distance. It's

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 1>a choice. It's effective in some moments and then in

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>others completely distances you from Humbert's evilness. It's also worth

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioning that Albi was suffering from alcoholism rather badly at

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the time of this production, and is constantly undergoing rewrites

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>to get the play to where it needed to be. Meanwhile,

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Donald Sutherland was rumored to be putting pressure on Alby

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to make Humbert more likable, which was definitely not to be.

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>But that is another interesting trend in the adaptations. Everyone

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>wants to play Humbert until they're playing him all sudden done.

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>There were a number of different scripts written in this

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>play is Quick March to Death in one version of

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>which ended up getting published. That's the one that I

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>read for this podcast. Albe is also the first and

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>to my knowledge, the only gay man who has worked

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>on a lolit To adaptation at the highest level. I

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>got a little more context on this show from Jacob Holder,

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.240
<v Speaker 1>the executive director of the Albi Foundation. I'll be passed

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>away in and over the summer. He talked to me

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 1>about what that play was like and where it fell

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>in Albi and Lolita's career. You worked with him from

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>oh one uh through his death. I guess I am

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>looking for I guess some perspective on what you feel

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 1>drew him to this material, to Lolita in the first place.

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>So he got through a really bad period in the

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>nine eighties where American theaters wouldn't touch his work. But

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Lolita is one of three plays that are really seen

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 1>as the period right before his fall from popularity, and

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and the reason I reread that piece in the biography

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that I wasn't. He hated when people

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>did too much analyzing with his own personal life in

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>terms of how that relates to his work, because he

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't believe in the concept um and I didn't want

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to add a layer on that he didn't himself suggest,

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>but his drinking was out of control during that time period,

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>so Lolita, he may already noticed his version of it.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>He had intended to be at least a three act play,

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and he intended it for it to be over the

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:58.359
<v Speaker 1>course of two evenings, which when I read about that,

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I've done as much research as I like, I could

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>spend any time doing trying to find what version would

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>have taken two nights. And while I didn't do that,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I found the original, which is a three act version,

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>and I read both that and I read what is considered.

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what anyone can put on if they wanted to,

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>which is the dramas play service acting addition, that's to act.

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 1>But you're dealing obviously the question of like how did

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the creators feel about their workforces? But wound up occurring

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the nature obviously of their art versus commercial sensibility is

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 1>always going to be strongly at war. So if you

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>have a producer who's terrified, if you think, okay, this

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 1>is great, this is risking material that will bring in

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>an audience. But I can't let this thing be three

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>hours long or four hours long because it's going to

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>bore everybody and we're gonna get reviews. Let's say that

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>this is a whole I'm sure we need to make

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>this thing tight. And then you have Donald Sutherland, probably

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 1>in his ego, thinking all right, I'm already playing somebody

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>who's going to be perceived as horribly reprehensible, so I

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>need to make this thing as funny as possible or

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>as light as possible, or you know, almost I'm going

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to play it in a way that shows that I'm

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>also sort of outside of it and I'm uncommenting on

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 1>it who my performance. So, my guests is that there

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 1>was a lack of trust in the material from the

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>actor who wanted to show his best, because obviously all

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>actors are concerned about how they're being perceived, because if

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>it goes wrongly, not only could it be perceived that

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the acting is bad, but also you know, he who

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 1>wants to be then associated that the last role, as

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the more famous pedophiles in the literature,

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>so that can impact his career, whereas for Edward it

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>would be all about getting as much to the brutal

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>truth of what this piece is supposed to be communicating.

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>But I think that Edward was probably like looking for

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the best possible Broadway producer at the time to work with,

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was just not a match made in heaven.

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess how involved was the in the Book of

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Estate in Um, you know, reading through drafts and um

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 1>interacting with play as it was developed. As far as

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I got a sense of it, it it wasn't friendly on

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>either side. It was very much an aggressive thing. But

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 1>he conceded to just changing it to a certain gentleman

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.839
<v Speaker 1>and you know, draw from it what you will, which

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>is obviously that it's supposed to be a stand in

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>for the writer. The other thing is not only is

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it that you know a C. G or the end

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 1>can be a stand in almost an interview, but obviously

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>from from moment one in the play he says, this

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>is the character of my own creation. So you're dealing

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>now also with Will Wait a second, how can you

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>how can you actually be even at all judgmental of

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this character because this character, essentially we're being told it

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really exist. You do. It's just you at the

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it's it's the dark recesses of

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 1>your mind. It's not his. You're in control of all

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>of this. And what's fascinating is that Edward would have

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>been very aware of the rules of you know, you

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>present the universe, and you stick to those rules. You

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about the universe we live in. That's for

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.240
<v Speaker 1>outside the feeder doors. Once you step inside the space,

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>forget you, forget your more A's, forget your your ethical

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>co your ten commandments. It's about the universe on stage.

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't think he ever did that. He

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>clearly didn't do anything with Lolita that he truly intended,

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 1>because there I go again where I don't get why

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he allowed the two accussions to be published if he

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 1>said that was sort of the bastard accident at the

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 1>end of this terrible journey to the bad producer and

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a bad actor, Thank you so much to Jacob Holder.

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 1>So what happens in this adaptation, I won't rehash the

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 1>whole thing for you, because there's no horrifying music. But

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it's very different from Lowly to My Love, And I'd

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 1>like to point out some of the bigger subversions from

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>other interpretations. For better and for worse. We already talked

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>about a certain gentleman who is on stage with Humbert

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>for the entire show, but there are other elements worth

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>noting as well. Having read the play a couple of times,

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 1>it feels pretty clear to me that Nabokov and I'll

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.439
<v Speaker 1>be clash in storytelling style. The swears and the forth

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>right sexuality, constant references to erections on stage, overt racism,

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and homophobic comments to turn an audience against a character.

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>These are all very Albi style choices, but they're almost

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>certainly something that Nabokov would not have liked. Now, we'll

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 1>get to the choices that I think Albie makes somewhat

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 1>effectively in a minute, but I just want to lay

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.800
<v Speaker 1>it out. The show is a failure in more ways

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 1>than not. While Albi lets us know that Humbert is

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 1>an irredeemable criminal in no uncertain terms, he succeeds in

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>making the rest of the characters from the story leagues

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>more unlikable than they were in the original storytelling, particularly

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte and Dolores Hayes. Charlotte Hayes is explicitly racist in

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>nearly every scene she appears in in the Albi play,

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>particularly when speaking to her black housekeeper Louise, and Lolita

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>makes similar comments later in the show that are not

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>present in the look. They both make anti Semitic comments

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 1>as well, or a certain gentleman when this happens, as

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 1>if to say, isn't that awful? I would never say that,

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and it is awful. It's fucking terrible. But since this

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>show isn't making us watch Humbert manipulate this narrative, we

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 1>are instead watching a certain gentleman do that. This succeeds

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 1>only in making us hate Charlotte and Lolita. I don't

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.600
<v Speaker 1>know what Albie is really going for here, but the

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>comments that are made by these characters are absolutely horrific. Now,

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 1>going back to the book quickly, that is not to

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>say that Charlotte does not make funked up racial and

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.839
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic comments in the nbak of book. There are

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 1>several moments where she hints at anti Semitism. In particular,

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and these are obviously worth singling out and criticizing. So

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to share a quick insight on that topic

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 1>from Dana Dragonoiu, a Nabucovian we spoke with in episode two,

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>about the comments that Charlotte makes in the book, something

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>that I certainly didn't pick up on my first you know,

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>several reads of Lolita, but the references to you know,

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 1>his feelings on anti Semitism, Yes, I mean um, Um,

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>he was very progressive on race for a man is

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of his time, like exceptionally so and um, in part

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 1>he inherited that from his father. Uh So, Nabokov himself

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 1>comes from a very kind of Caucasian aristocratic, upper middle

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>class um background. But his father, UM was very close

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 1>friends with a lot of Jewish intellectuals, and his father

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>put his career on the line and even lost a

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>lot by reporting very fearlessly on the on the Mendel

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Bailis affair. So his own father championed Jewish Jewish causes

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 1>for the entirety of his life. Um. It is for

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>that reason that Nabokov's are able to sail on one

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of the last boats sailing out of France because the

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Jewish league had paid for them in in recognition of

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>what the father had done, and Nabokov himself marries a

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Jewish woman in spite of the fact that he knew

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that the female members of his family would not approve

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of it. Thank you again to Dana. So Edward Albee

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 1>is not inventing this within Charlotte Hayes, but he is

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>turning it up to an eleven and using every tool

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.439
<v Speaker 1>at his disposal to get the audience to actively root

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 1>for Charlotte's demise, And the way I was reading it

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>by the time she's killed, it's a relief. Albeit seems

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to be using in sensitive language and views in his

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>characters to get you to root for a child sexual

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>abuser to murder them, which is a moral hedge maze

0:51:51.920 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even aware existed. There is a lot to

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 1>be said about how I'll be treated race in his work.

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>He both during his life and later with his estate,

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>has been resistant to casting black actors in some of

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 1>his greatest works, especially Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf, And

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:27.279
<v Speaker 1>this was a decision that was widely criticized and eventually overturned.

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So there's a ton to talk about there, and about

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>racism in casting on Broadway in general, that I don't

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>have time to tackle in this episode, but I would

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>start by referring you to a piece by writer Kyle

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Turner called Who's Afraid of White Fragility. That's a good

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 1>place to start if you're interested in learning more. I

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>will link that in the notes. Albie does succeed in

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>making it the clearest of all of the adaptations. I've

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>encountered that Humbert. Humbert is an unreliable narrator and a

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 1>despicable person, but he still fails to bring Lolita to

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the forefront in any meaningful way. Let me give you

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>some examples of what I'm talking about here. Here is

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 1>an exchange from the play. Humbert says that darling child

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>is a temptress. She is an infant. Then a certain

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 1>gentleman replies, no, really, she looks like an ordinary little

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.879
<v Speaker 1>girl to me, he turns to the audience. Yes, I'm

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>sure she does, and to you too as well, I

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>dare say, unless unless I am not alone, Unless there

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>is one of you out there like me, one of

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>you who knows, one of you who senses the beauty,

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the thrill of the danger. Is there a pedophile in

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the house? That's right? That line ends with parentheses loud hiss.

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>The biggest change from the source material, besides the addition

0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of a certain gentleman, is probably Charlotte's death. Instead of

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the incredibly convenient death that Humbert, Humbert constructs where she

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>is hit by a car at just the right moment.

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Albe has Charlotte pull a gun on Humbert when she

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>learns of his diaries that are condemning her and planning

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to rape Lolita. While doing so, In this version, she

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 1>falls down the stairs and dies of a head injury,

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and the impact of Charlotte dying right in front of

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 1>us is much different than what we experience in the

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>book and some of the other adaptations. In a roundabout way,

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 1>seeing her die before our eyes validates Humbert's claim that

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 1>her death was a convenient win for him and gets

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.840
<v Speaker 1>rid of all of the ambiguity and suspicion of Humbert

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and questions that arrived from Charlotte's death happening outside of

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the jurors plain site. We see other things like Charlotte's

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>funeral in detail, Humbert telling a certain gentleman that he

0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 1>intends to abduct Lolita, and we also see this I'm

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>not kidding. Charlotte sits straight up in her coffin, calls

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Humbert a molester, and says she will see him in Hell.

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I especially don't like how this adaptation treats Lolita. For me,

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the intense detailed descriptions of Humbert's intent to abuse her,

0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the actual nudity on stage of Blanche Baker or Lolita,

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 1>as well as a certain gentleman asking Humbert how she

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>was quote unquote indicates that i'll Be clearly wants to

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>confront the audience with how disgusting Humbert's crimes are, but

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 1>still manages to paint out Lolita as the seductress in

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the process, and even exploits her body to make his point.

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>This just did not work. We understand Humbert's monstrosity, but

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the way i'll be writes, we are not encouraged to

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 1>have any empathy for his victim. You can read it

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>if you really want to, but it's like gross. It

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just it goes so far in the other direction that

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>even reading it on the page was deeply unsettling, because

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>it just feels exploitative and understands that it's exploitative, but

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 1>keeps doubling and doubling and doubling down. There are some

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 1>scenes where it truly just felt to me like Edward

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Albe was trying to think of the most disgusting, gross,

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 1>horrific thing he could think of and then just made

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:10.840
<v Speaker 1>someone do that. Final thing that struck me about this

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>adaptation was the final time that we see Lolita on stage.

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.279
<v Speaker 1>At the end of a scene, Humbert, still accompanied by

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a certain gentleman, literally will's Lolita away before going to

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Quilty's mansion to murder him. After we've seen her seventeen

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and pregnant. Have this interaction with Humbert, Lolita fades from

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the story, just as she does in the book, but

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 1>in a much more self aware way than we see

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 1>at other points. Here's a bit from this scene. Lolita says,

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:40.839
<v Speaker 1>you can tell them all about what I'm like in bed,

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and he can tell you. Humbert replies, you are vanishing,

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 1>and the stage directions indicate that the lights begin to

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:52.839
<v Speaker 1>go down on Lolita. Lolita says, huh, pardon, and her

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:58.800
<v Speaker 1>spotlight continues to fade. Humbert says goodbye. Lolita. Hey, Lolita,

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 1>says humber It says, you have disappeared, and by this

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 1>time he is right. Lolita is completely engulfed in darkness.

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 1>There is still one more scene after this, Humbert goes

0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to Quality's house to murder him. After he's killed, a

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 1>certain gentleman tells Humbert what Lolita's fate was, her death,

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 1>her baby. Humbert asks what he should do next, and

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a certain gentleman, the narrator of this production, tells Humbert

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>trigger warning that Humbert is going to masturbate to Lolita

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 1>over Quiality's dead body, and he starts to do that,

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's the end of the play. Now it's hard

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to compare and contrast these failed Broadway shows. Not only

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>are they completely different genres of theater, but it's impossible

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>to watch them since they never actually opened. I do

0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 1>find it interesting that the actresses cast to play Lolita,

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 1>at least in the case of Denise Nickerson in Lolita

0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 1>My Love and Blanche Baker in Edward Albe's Lolita, we're

0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 1>both styled to look very similar to Sue Lyon in

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the Kuberc adaptation. The Blonde Bombshell approach that completely contradicts

0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Nabokov's description of Dolores, a lanky Burnett who is by

0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 1>all accounts an ordinary looking kid. That's a whole issue

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>we're going to keep discussing in future episodes, and one

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons it's indisputably always going to be an

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 1>issue adapting Lolita with actors. Part of what makes the

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 1>book so horrifying is that we know that Dolores Hayes

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>is a twelve year old, and reflecting that on stage,

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>no matter how sensitively done, with a child who is twelve,

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:41.600
<v Speaker 1>is inarguably unsafe. Nickerson does a good job in the

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>part of Lolita in the rehearsal recording that you can hear,

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but the message of the show isn't just muddled. It

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 1>tries to have a child at the age that the

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:54.320
<v Speaker 1>book indicates also matched the uncanny seductress rule that Humbert.

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Humbert casts her in and tries to have both be true.

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Not only does it not work, it makes a listener

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 1>very uncomfortable to hear a kid have to play. So

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 1>not only is this a failure on the writer's part

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge that Humbert's account is unreliable. I think the

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 1>tonal dissonance and how Nickerson is presented by Humbert and

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>quilty and Lolita my love as this seductress, with how

0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we see her on stage as a kid singing about

0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>how she never wanted any of this. It scans very

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 1>odd because it is odd not just because a girl

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>of Dolores Jeyes's age can't contain multitudes, but because having

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Humbert's false reality projected onto a thirteen year old as

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.360
<v Speaker 1>if it's fact, and a lighthearted fact that that is

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so disorienting that you almost have to laugh and hope

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that Nickerson was protected behind the scenes. Given Chris Gilmore's

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>account of her experiences. Then in Alpiece Lolita, the dissonance

0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is a little different. We are absolutely led to believe

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 1>that Lolita brings her ordeal onto herself, but the friction

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 1>between Humbert, Humbert and his own author is the strongest

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>relationship focus upon. Now. There's no public record of Baker's

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<v Speaker 1>performance in Albi's Lolita, but playing the role at twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>even though Baker did tend to play younger roles at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in her career, there's no doubt that an

1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.680
<v Speaker 1>audience would be able to tell the difference between an

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<v Speaker 1>actor of Denise Nickerson's age and one of Blante Baker's.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a slight to Baker at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think in terms of production ethics, it's the responsible choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially with the gritty, gross choices that Albe makes, Having

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<v Speaker 1>an actual minor in that role night after night would

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<v Speaker 1>be as unacceptable as Nabukov thought it would be in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen seventies. But there's still a conflict here

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<v Speaker 1>seeing an actress in her twenties, even one who appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be in her teens, act in the role of

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<v Speaker 1>seductress with Humbert. Humbert strikes a slightly different tone on

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<v Speaker 1>stage than the twelve year old we hear about in

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<v Speaker 1>the book, and this repeated tendency to show sexualized adults

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<v Speaker 1>as representative of children creates a dissonance that strikes with

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<v Speaker 1>actual children. I mean, you can go to Riverdale for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go to any show about teenagers that's on

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast television where all of the quote unquote teenagers are

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<v Speaker 1>played by people ten years older than them. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been so many listeners of this show who have reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to me not having read the book before, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that their cultural osmosis of this story of Lolita was

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<v Speaker 1>that Lolita was about a purvy older man hitting on

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<v Speaker 1>and having sex with a teenage girl presented to the

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<v Speaker 1>viewer as sexy. As we all know now five episodes in,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the plot of the book, but the popular images,

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<v Speaker 1>even up through the Alba production in the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>reinforce that common takeaway. So much of this story's legacy

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<v Speaker 1>are driven by aesthetics, and the book off was well

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<v Speaker 1>aware of that. In the afterward to Lolita, called on

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<v Speaker 1>a book entitled Lolita, he writes this, for me, a

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<v Speaker 1>work of fiction exists only in so far is it

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<v Speaker 1>affords what I shall bluntly call aesthetic bliss. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of being somehow somewhere connected with other states

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<v Speaker 1>of being where art, curiosity, tenderness, kindness, ecstasy is the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a lot of why I think this story

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<v Speaker 1>is considered by many to be unadaptable. It is about

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<v Speaker 1>crimes so horrific that acting them out on stage with

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<v Speaker 1>actors the same age as the characters is unthinkable, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet they persist finding workaround using actors of the correct age.

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<v Speaker 1>For Lolita and watering the material down, or conversely, using

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<v Speaker 1>an older actor for Lolita and misrepresenting the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the story's abject horror. And I'll be clear here, the

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<v Speaker 1>abuse of a person and their opportunes is no less

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying and contemptible. But there's an additional issue the men

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<v Speaker 1>adapting this story right with the assumption that Lolita is

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<v Speaker 1>not just able to consent, but is actively seducing Humbered,

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<v Speaker 1>just as he says in the text. I'll take you

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<v Speaker 1>back to that quote from Norman Twain from earlier. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have a girl who makes a man forget

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<v Speaker 1>the moral conventions of society. But it's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a complete mental situation. If Lelite's five ft five with

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<v Speaker 1>a great figure, it would be perfectly normal for from

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<v Speaker 1>Bear to go after her. This was an attitude that

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<v Speaker 1>existed loudly and commonly at this time. So a live

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<v Speaker 1>action interpretation of this story, particularly a nightly one, becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a basically unworkable idea from a performance perspective. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>personally as an animation writer, I think it's animation or

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<v Speaker 1>bust on this one. But that's another episode. But that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't to say, if this live action issue were miraculously resolved,

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<v Speaker 1>that these Broadway attempts would have been successful. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no way, because there is the and I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>use that these one oh one terms with you. You're

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<v Speaker 1>smarter than this, but I have to use it. There

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<v Speaker 1>is the male gaze of it all, with the way

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<v Speaker 1>Learner and Barry in nineteen seventy one and Albe in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one are undoubtedly coming from a place of

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<v Speaker 1>prioritizing Humbert's voice and predicament, though with very different approaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike Nabokov's book, Lolita or Dolores isn't really hiding in

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<v Speaker 1>the pages of these plays. She's not there at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Quality's role is inflated in both Unreliability is attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>be addressed, but ultimately either ends up endearing you to

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert or making him seem less responsible for his choices

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<v Speaker 1>by including a writer on stage. And as always, Lolita's

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<v Speaker 1>role is reduced to that of seductress who really barely appears.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we leave this chapter in Lolita adaptation history, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share another small slice of an interview I

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<v Speaker 1>did with Blanche Baker, who played Lolita in the Albe

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<v Speaker 1>play and as an Emmy winning actor and professor. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>remind you here that Baker was the daughter of an

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<v Speaker 1>actress named Carol Baker, whose part in the movie Baby

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<v Speaker 1>Doll in the nineteen fifties was a huge influence on

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<v Speaker 1>how Sue Lion was styled in Kubrick's Low To in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties. And this family through line of these

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<v Speaker 1>very specific ragid sexual aesthetics being asked of their performances

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<v Speaker 1>is not lost on Blanche Baker, reflecting an issue had

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<v Speaker 1>by virtually every actor who has played Lolita that I've

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to. Her issues with taking on the role had

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<v Speaker 1>much more to do with her treatment by the media

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<v Speaker 1>and the public. Unlike others, Baker had a generally positive

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<v Speaker 1>experience with the casting crew of the Albie production. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a little slice of our discussion about her experience with

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<v Speaker 1>the media around the time of this show in the

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<v Speaker 1>show runs. From what I've seen, the show ran for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks, um after Boston previews. What was

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<v Speaker 1>that switch from Boston to New York Like that was

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<v Speaker 1>the onslaught of publicity, So that was that was very difficult, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I had to be very careful. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a young girls didn't have a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and I was being followed after show and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to have people meet me. I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really not so pleasant that aspect once I

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<v Speaker 1>was before I got on the stage, and after I

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<v Speaker 1>got off the stage. It really wasn't a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. Any time I went to a party,

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<v Speaker 1>people were really looking at me, so I stopped going

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<v Speaker 1>to parties. I really became more of a reck louse

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<v Speaker 1>than you would imagine because I felt like I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>live up to what people expected. That was my own insanity,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, um, but I felt like they would expect

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<v Speaker 1>me to be prettier, expect me to be you know, sexy,

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<v Speaker 1>or forget that I was an actress, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just very uncomfortable for a while in my own skin.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much to Blanche Baker, and like Chris Gilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be speaking more with her soon. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>know this is getting to be a long episode again,

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<v Speaker 1>but really quick. Lolita has made other attempts on stage

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, with varying, usually low degrees of success,

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<v Speaker 1>that I would like to touch on really quickly, but

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<v Speaker 1>not as in depth because they are in no way

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<v Speaker 1>as notorious as the two shows we've talked about so far.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the sake of completeness, it is a weird list,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Let's roll through these. There is the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>opera of Lolita from by composer ro Dion Shedrin, which

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<v Speaker 1>debuted at the Swedish Royal Opera with a Swedish translation

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<v Speaker 1>of the Russian libretto. Lolita was played by a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five year old soprano. This is arguably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more successful and enduring adaptations, as it still plays today

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<v Speaker 1>every once in a while. But that's not to say

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<v Speaker 1>that it gets the point of the story. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>performed in Russian, Swedish and German. Now, speaking to this

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<v Speaker 1>problematic approach, let's hear from Shedrin on his interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. It feels like a nostalgia for beauty. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a symbol really for me. First, really, Lolita as

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<v Speaker 1>a character is less of a human being but rather

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<v Speaker 1>an archetype symbol of beauty, but a fleeting beauty. Okay, yikes.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's also not to say that the reviews of

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<v Speaker 1>this show were good here's what Michael Walsh of Time said. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the novel has more music on a single page. Shedren's lazy,

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<v Speaker 1>imptant scores loudish when it's not downright sullen, So there's that. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>it's four hours long. Moving on, there are several ballet

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<v Speaker 1>productions that I've found records of, one which was choreographed

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<v Speaker 1>by British dancer Kathy Marston in in Denmark that, based

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<v Speaker 1>on its trailer, really seems to play up Lolita's role

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<v Speaker 1>of seductress as a torturer of Humbert. She even like

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<v Speaker 1>grins maniacally at the camera at the end. Brought another

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<v Speaker 1>attempted opera in Boston from composer John Harbison, which ends

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<v Speaker 1>up getting canceled when the clergy child abuse scandal in

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<v Speaker 1>Boston happened in two thousand and two. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, a lot of attempts. Writer Michael West staged

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<v Speaker 1>some of Nabokov's unused screenplay from the nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>movie in Dublin, Ireland, and people didn't like it. Reviewer

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<v Speaker 1>Hiroko Mikami said, in particular the way that sex was

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<v Speaker 1>staged between Humbert and Lolita which already I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, but Maccami says, the way it was staged,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt clearly placed the blame of a rape onto

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<v Speaker 1>the victim. Also in two thousand three, Russian director Victor

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<v Speaker 1>Sobchuk wrote a stage adaptation that gets rid of quality

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<v Speaker 1>entirely and changes the setting to England in the early

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand's. Also in two thousand three, Italian choreographer David

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<v Speaker 1>Bombana did a seventy minute ballet adaptation that skewed extremely

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<v Speaker 1>erotic based on clips I've seen with Lolita and Humbert

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<v Speaker 1>looking very sensual. There's a number of duet dance numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that have been inspired by Lolita and Humbert over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which have a very forbidden love tone. All

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<v Speaker 1>links on below. It's a little more intriguing. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a man show from two thousand nine written by Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson that features Humbert Humbert speaking to the audience from

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<v Speaker 1>a prison cell. Years later. This production was pretty well reviewed,

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<v Speaker 1>and while Dolores obviously never appears on stage, it couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be clearer, according to the reviews of the time, that

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert is projecting and unreliable and Brian Cox played him

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<v Speaker 1>here who is the daddy in succession? And we know

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<v Speaker 1>he can play a really mean guy. Also in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, American composer Joshua Feinberg and choreographer Johann Saunier

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<v Speaker 1>made a quote unquote imagined opera in New Jersey that

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<v Speaker 1>was a multimedia production. Humbert Humbert uses screens and dance

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<v Speaker 1>and video to demonstrate his descent and obsession. This was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well reviewed in the New York Times, but given

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<v Speaker 1>how reviewers Steve Smith characterizes the source material, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know who to trust here. Here's how Steve Smith

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<v Speaker 1>talks about the story. Is Humbert Humbert a suave, calculating

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<v Speaker 1>seducer or a pretentious, delusional monster? Mighty also be a

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<v Speaker 1>relatable victim, not only of his own urges but also

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<v Speaker 1>of those of Dolores Hayes, the child with whom he

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<v Speaker 1>has obsessed. But clips from this production seemed to strike

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the right tone. I do wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>have seen it. And finally, there is a Minnesota comedy

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<v Speaker 1>group called four Humors that did a three person production

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<v Speaker 1>based on the Kubrick movie. In oh the parts are

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<v Speaker 1>played by white guys. It's clearly in over the top

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<v Speaker 1>comedy and like Lolita is played by a chubby guy

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<v Speaker 1>in his thirties wearing a bikini, like I'm just, I'm just,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tough. I don't know about you, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted just having to listen to that, and like, no

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<v Speaker 1>offense if if these guys are listening, I guess, But

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you just get the feeling that a guy watches

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes of Anti Python and it's like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a comedian and it's like, no, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>just hold prejudices from the early nineteen seventies. Whatever, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a comedian and this as lame as fuck. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the comprehensive list up until now. But all this to say,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of attempts, and on stage, none

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<v Speaker 1>of them have been enduring. And you'll notice that there

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<v Speaker 1>were only one or two women involved in any of

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<v Speaker 1>the above in a creative, high level sense, which brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to the present. The final adaptation I want to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss is one I found to be the most intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a revival of the Alan Jay Lerner musical

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<v Speaker 1>Lolita My Love that was performed in New York in

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<v Speaker 1>as a part of a celebration of his work, and

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<v Speaker 1>the director of this production of Lolita My Love was

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<v Speaker 1>drum roll please, a woman was not a sist. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe It's? Wow? It's really edible stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes sixty five years, but but you get there. The

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<v Speaker 1>director of the revival of Lolita My Love is named

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Maltby. She took on the challenge of creating a

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<v Speaker 1>workshop performance of the show by cobbling and restructuring all

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<v Speaker 1>of the drafts that Learner wrote throughout the seventies. Working

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<v Speaker 1>with composer Eric Hogginson, Malbi managed to create a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary version of the show that still used Learner's work exclusively,

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<v Speaker 1>adding in a character that was a therapist speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert to address the unreliability that goes undiscussed in the original. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not seen this show, but I know many

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<v Speaker 1>who have, and given the fact that Maltby was only

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<v Speaker 1>given a handful of weeks to get the production together,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a pretty unique moment in lowlit to

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<v Speaker 1>adaptation history. We'll be talking to her more in the

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<v Speaker 1>finale of the pod. But I wanted to end this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking with her about her process of waiting through Learner's

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<v Speaker 1>drafts and finding stuff she could use, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>her approach to taking on not just in the book

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<v Speaker 1>of Lolita, but learners. Here's our discussion. I just couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this fourteen year old girl was so was

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<v Speaker 1>so into this, and so one of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>did was basically I went through the script and I

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<v Speaker 1>highlighted the moments that if I were Humbert, I would

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<v Speaker 1>would be my like prime examples of how interested of

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<v Speaker 1>how she behaved like a Lolita, right, how she manipulated him,

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<v Speaker 1>how she coaxed it, whatever, how much she wanted it,

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<v Speaker 1>how much she was into it, whatever. I found all

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<v Speaker 1>of those moments sort of highlighted them and they were

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<v Speaker 1>really like, you know, a passage here, an interaction here, whatever. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we would play a little like echo of

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<v Speaker 1>this synth music. The lights would change to like this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of insidious green and this like stark white uplight um.

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<v Speaker 1>And the actors playing Lolita, who I should say was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, which she is very small. UM. I was

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<v Speaker 1>very adamant from the beginning that we're not casting an

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<v Speaker 1>underage actress. Um. But she she went from this you know, rambunctious,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old kind of energy, and she would essentially

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<v Speaker 1>like go into like a trance. She would go into

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, she would sort of lose all of

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<v Speaker 1>her agency and he would um. And then she would

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<v Speaker 1>just deliver these lines as if as if he was

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<v Speaker 1>like puppeting them to her or parenting them to her, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would like, you know, not quite as literally

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<v Speaker 1>as like controlling her like a marionette. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of idea was that, you know, there were

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<v Speaker 1>these moments and we kind of I couldn't give her

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<v Speaker 1>extra lines, I couldn't give her a voice, but I

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<v Speaker 1>could show you that her voice was being taken from her.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe what you're seeing didn't actually happen in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and maybe he's coloring it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there were just these couple of moments that for him

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<v Speaker 1>were these key moments where we just got a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of like he was kind of manipulating the storytelling. And

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<v Speaker 1>we had this thing in the very first song where

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<v Speaker 1>she came out, you know, with a sweatshirt and her

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<v Speaker 1>hair up, and then over the core of the song,

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<v Speaker 1>the ensemble like at his commands, you know, took her

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<v Speaker 1>hair down and took the sweatshirt off, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um trained her to tuck her hair behind

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<v Speaker 1>her ears, and it was just sort of this like

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<v Speaker 1>creation of Lolita, this idea of like Lolita being a

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<v Speaker 1>different character from Dolores. Thank you so much to Emily

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<v Speaker 1>Maltby and we will be hearing from her soon. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you thought we talked about the aesthetics of Lolita today, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>buckle up. We are taking a week off next week

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<v Speaker 1>because my brain is melting out of my ears and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the holidays. But in our next episode, we are

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<v Speaker 1>diving into the visual legacy of Lolita. I'm talking music,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking niche fashion communities. Not that one Lolita fashion friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are fashion communities as well as interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>some of the creators and people influenced by them. That's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up on our next episode of Lolita Podcast. Happy Holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry my podcast is so sad. This has been a

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<v Speaker 1>production of I Heart Radio. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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<v Speaker 1>I write and host the show. My producers are the

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful Sophie Lichtman, Miles gray Beth and Marco Luso and

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<v Speaker 1>Jack O'Brien. My editor is the amazing Isaac Taylor. Additional

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<v Speaker 1>research and transcription from Ben Loftus. Music is by Zoe Blade.

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<v Speaker 1>Theme is by Brad Dickart. I wanted to also thank

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<v Speaker 1>my guest voices on this episode as he's Laura as

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<v Speaker 1>Humbert Humbert, Robert Evans as Vladimir Nabokop, Joel Smith, Anna

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<v Speaker 1>jos Nier, Paula Vignalen, and Aristotle Assavedo. We'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>next week.