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I'm 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: Jerry over there. So it's stuff you should know. Go ahead, 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. This is Chuck in Oregon. Oh, well, seventy three, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Chuck seventy three. I don't know what that means. It's 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: probably your age if you're a hand radio operator. Seventy 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: three is a term that means my compliments to you. 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: M guards. Yeah, it is ham code. Well I wasn't joking. 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: By the way. We're talking about ham radio, sometimes called 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: um amateur radio, sometimes called shortwave radio, although it's not 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: always short wave radio right like technically on the on 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: the electromagnetic radio spectrum. Yeah, but um, I was I 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: did make a joke about seventy three, but that is 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: actually in some countries the average age is eighty and older. 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Which countries I don't know. I 24 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: don't know about the US UM. The most recent stats 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 1: I found, though, they're about eight hundred thousand HAM radio 26 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: operators in the US of A. Is that right about? Yeah? 27 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Not bad. No, that's more than I saw. I saw. 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I think six seventy two was the number I saw, 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: and then double that in Japan. Yeah, they're into it. 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Had no idea. UM in the millions, two to three 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: million around the world, and in the United States. As 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: of this month, there are more than seven hundred and 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: forty thousand amateur radio station licenses, with California having the most. Well, 34 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: California is big into ham radio. Everybody knows that, and 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: I feel like it's obvious. But this is mostly men, 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: about a fift rate of women or females, young ladies, 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: whatever their ham radio enthusiasts. It just seems sort of 38 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: like a it seems like a guy thing, not just 39 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: a guy thing, but a ned Flanders guy thing. Yeah. 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to knock them because it's a neat thing. 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: It is a neat thing. I was sitting there, I 42 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: was I was researching this a little more and more. 43 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, there is one corner of the 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: world where you can go to escape like humanity as 45 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: it stands, like on the internet totally, and it's it's 46 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: that's that's an oversimplification. Like with Ham radio, they are 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: very much known, very well known for being very polite, 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: very professional, very um you know, uh eagle scoutish. I guess, yeah. 49 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: They're rules and you have to get a license, right exactly, 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: And because you do have to hold a license to 51 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: operate a Ham radio. Um, they do think that that's 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of where this tradition of professionalism came out of 53 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: a lot of jerks. At the very least, it does. 54 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: There are jerks on on Ham radio, some really bad jerks, 55 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: but they're they're very much the exception to the rule, 56 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: whereas like on an internet chat room, the polite people 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: are the exception of the rule. In Ham radio world, 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: it's just the opposite. So it's very refreshing that there's this, 59 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: you know out there, there's a place that's still like 60 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: kept polite and nice and like, hey, how are you? 61 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted to see how are you? Oh you're 62 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: in Korea. Huh it's pretty far away. Yeah, didn't. Is 63 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: having a conversation like that just for it's just to 64 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: do it. That's basically the point of Ham radio or 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: one of them. There's a purity to it that really 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: spoke to me there. Yeah, the same here. Um. I 67 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: watched the little Vimeo documentary called Ham Radio Ancestors of 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the Internet. Yeah, great, little it's true. But and this 69 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: got across to me. Ham radio, the the ethos or 70 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: the persona of Ham Radio. There's a segment where they're 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: talking about how one of the big foundations of ham 72 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: radio is public service in times of I didn't either, 73 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: but in times of like natural disaster where radio where 74 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: other communications are knocked out, shortwave radios draw very little 75 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: power so you can run them off battery, um, and 76 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: they they can communicate outside of the disaster zone when 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: cell phones and the Internet is gone, and they do 78 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: do that. They do. It's like part it's one of 79 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: the pillars of Ham Radio. Well, during this segment, the 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: um director of the Vimeo documentary, he was playing the 81 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: battle hymn of the Republic nice, and I was like, 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: this is ham radio. I love it. Uh, they are 83 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: called hams, so when we say that, we're not being derogatory, 84 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: although some call them radio amateurs is one word. Oh 85 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: really well, the word ham um comes from back in 86 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: the day when there were ships and coastal stations and 87 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: government stations and amateur operators increasingly all over the world 88 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: vying for the same signals. Um. Sometimes these amateur radio 89 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: operators would have powerful signals and they could jam um 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: like government operations, and so they in a derogatory pejorative way, 91 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: would call them hams, and that name stuck, although the 92 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: meaning of it, the being pejorative, has fallen away, and 93 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: they embrace it now like queer. Sure, it's the same thing, 94 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: same principle. It was meant to be a put down, 95 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: and that they adopted it with a sense of pride, 96 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: and it's like we're gonna take this from you, right, 97 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: like take the power from you. Yeah, it's a great 98 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: way to handle things. I think, you know, I saw 99 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: another origin story. Yeah, yeah, and I think with the 100 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: one you're talking about. When they said that they were hams, 101 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: they were saying they were ham fisted, like they didn't 102 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: have the delicacy needed to UM to tune into a 103 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: frequency correctly or no, they're very delicate hands. Actually it's 104 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: part of the requirement by the FCC. UM I saw. 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: Another origin story was that um in three Harvard men 106 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: founded a radio club and they called it the Base 107 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: on their last names the Hymen Almy Murray Radio Station 108 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: or HAM for short. It's also a law firm, probably 109 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: it is. Now Oh interesting? Is that? How verified is that? 110 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Or is that just something we're gonna throw out and 111 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: say that could be interesting? This this one comes from 112 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: r F Cafe, which is a legit site. Uh, yeah, 113 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: I like yours more, Well, it's not mine. Oh you 114 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: didn't just make it out now, So I found this 115 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: great little piece that kind of helped explain to me 116 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: a little bit about how radio works and how amateur 117 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: radio works. So if I may, can we played Battle 118 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Him of the Republic? We totally should? Is it writes free? 119 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: Oh it's gotta be sure. Um all right, So if 120 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you look at an AM radio dial, well you'll have 121 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: to find an AM radio dial, right, go go find 122 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: your dad's old malibub. Yeah, actually you don't have you know, 123 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: you don't have to look at the physical dial. If 124 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: you have a radio in your car, this digital you 125 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: can just go to the bottom of it. It's about 126 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: five thirty five. All the way to the top, it's 127 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: about six five. Let's killer hurts? Is it killer hurts 128 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: and Mega hurts killer hurts? Is it really for a 129 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: M for AM radio? Um? And that is one band? 130 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: When you hear about a radio band, that entire spectrum 131 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: is one band. Yeah, and the band is just an 132 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: arbitrary trunk, right, Yeah, it's a it's a group of 133 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: frequencies right from one to the other, right, and the 134 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: distance between those two from what you say for a 135 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: M radio five five to six five, So that would 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: be the band width between those two, correct, So you've 137 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: got that as a band. The FCC dolls out on 138 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: the spectrum available bands for the government, for the military, 139 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: for all these different people to use as their own, 140 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: and they have allocated twenty six bands for amateurs. That's 141 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: from one point eight mega hurts in this case, which 142 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: is just above that radio broadcasts frequencies to two seventy 143 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: five giga hurts. That's a pretty significant swath of the spectrum, 144 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: it is, and and so much so that you're using 145 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: essentially different types of technology to transmit or receive on them. Yeah, 146 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: well this is gonna be a good one. I was 147 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: kinda worried. Oh man, don't worry. I feel like it's 148 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: heating up. This is us. So the way this person 149 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: put it is, if you think of the radio spectrum 150 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: like a measuring tape um. Between a half an inch 151 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: and about one point seven inches, is that a M 152 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: radio band. If you go all the way up to 153 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: like inches to eight inches, that's the FM radio band. 154 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: And between a half inch and thirty inches is this 155 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: very special place where the ionosphere It reflects off the 156 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: ionosphere depending on what type of day, uh, and what 157 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: time of day it is, right, And I can step 158 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: in and explain that if you're online. So, the ionosphere 159 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: is one part of the Earth's atmosphere. It's towards the 160 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: top right, and cosmic rays and solar rays and all 161 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: sorts of rays are constantly smacking into the ionosphere and 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: they're knocking electrons off the atoms up there, ionizing them. 163 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: These electrons don't just float away into our space, actually 164 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: form this kind of blanket layer and it's a really 165 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: great medium. This this blanket layer of electrons in the 166 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: ionosphere UM for bouncing radio signals of a specific type 167 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: of frequency back to Earth. Right. So, one of the 168 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: benefits of a short wave radio is that you're using 169 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: radio waves in a frequency that they bounce off the 170 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: ionosphere really well, and so you can shoot it up 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: into the ionosphere and reflect it back down. And because 172 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: of this angle, you can you can transmit this radio 173 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: over really long distances, hundreds of miles, thousands of miles, 174 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: because you're bouncing it off of the ionosphere. During the day, 175 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: the sun solar rays add this extra kind of dense 176 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: layer on the bottom of the ionosphere, so they tend 177 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: to get absorbed more than at night when the sun's 178 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: raised aren't hitting that part of the ionosphere, so they 179 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: bounce better, which is why you get better reception, or 180 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: your signals travel longer at night than during the day. 181 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: UM for shortwave radio, which really plays into hams right 182 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: does the idea of these always have is two o'clock 183 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: in the morning exactly, a dude in his attic talking 184 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: to someone in Taiwan. Yeah, you know, which is great. 185 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: We're talking to pinhead in Burma right before he opens 186 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: that box and becomes Pinhead and hell Raiser or talking 187 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: to Ronnie millsap. That's where this guy got me because 188 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: he's a celebrity hymn. Celebrity hymn. Unfortunately he waited until 189 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: like the last sentence of the entire article, but he 190 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: finally got me. Then, well we'll we'll get to that later. 191 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: There are other celebrity hams out there that'll be there. 192 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: Our last sense to uh So, like we said earlier, 193 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: between if you're thinking of it as a measuring tape, 194 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: between a half inches and thirty inches is where you 195 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: get this great reflection off the ionosphere, which you described 196 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: so well. Um, I like your measuring tape, well it's 197 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: not mine. Above that thirty inches, they stop bouncing and 198 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: it becomes what we call line of sight. So that's 199 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: like FM and TV and stuff. Yeah, Like you know, 200 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: when you drive out of town, you lose your reception 201 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: because you have gone out of the line of sight 202 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: over from that broadcast antenna, and there's trees and buildings 203 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: and mountains in your way, all sorts of junk. But 204 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: if you're shooting stuff off the ionosphere, nothing sea in heck, mountains. 205 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: Uh So, between three inches and thirty inches that's called 206 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: the high frequency spectrum, and then from thirty inches to 207 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: about three inches and again these aren't inches measuring tape analogy. Uh. 208 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: That is called the VHF spectrum, and we're gonna get 209 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: into that later. But the VHS spectrum is really neat. 210 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: You can operate hand radio via that and use things 211 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: uh called repeaters where you basically share part of a 212 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: broadcast tower in a city. And you say, well, if 213 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: I can get my signal to you, you can repeat 214 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: it back out further because you have way more wattage 215 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: than I do. And I was looking to see, like 216 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: what the um tip for tat equation is with wattage 217 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: for distance, Not that I could find, no, but the 218 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: rule of thumb is that the more watts you have, 219 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: the more power you have, the further you can send 220 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: your signal. But yeah, I mean, like, if you're buying 221 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: a transceiver, which we'll get into later, it might have 222 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: anywhere between five watts and like a hundred watts, maybe 223 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: a little more if you're um, if you're running like 224 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: a radio station like Georgia State here has very famously 225 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: as a hundred thousand watt transmitter, So you want to 226 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: shoot your signal to them and then they change the 227 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: frequency a little bit and shoot it out on a 228 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: slightly different frequency greatly um empowered. Yeah, you're like piggybacking 229 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: off these antenna's basically like like Michelle Obama is talking 230 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: to you directly, kind of empowered, you know what I mean. 231 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: And that's just for the repeater UM that is not 232 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: that's if you're going to VHS VHS the VHF route, 233 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: UM you don't have like they're all kinds of different 234 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: frequencies below that that. In fact, I think probably, well, 235 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that because I don't know. I 236 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: was going to say that people mostly don't use the 237 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: repeater method with VHF, but that I don't know the stats. 238 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: I think it's specifically FM that they use the repeater 239 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: for VHF FM. I think that's what you use the 240 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: repeater for. No, it is, but I'm saying that as 241 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: far as HAM radio operators, I get the feeling that 242 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: the majority of people don't use that method. Yeah, yeah, 243 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: but I might be wrong. No, I think you're right, 244 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: you think, yeah, I don't. I don't know if you can, 245 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: because everything I saw was anytime they were talking about repeater. 246 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: They called it FM VHF. Yeah, but you can still 247 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: operate ham radio that way, right, yeah, but in that 248 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: specific band, right, correct. I guess yeah, I actually, I mean, 249 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're a handful of hands out there that 250 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: listen to the show that are groaning in pain right now. 251 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: I know. I do want to apologize, because anytime we 252 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: do a show where there are rabid enthusiasts, we're bound 253 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: to get some stuff not quite right. But hopefully there 254 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: are some of the nice enthusiasts that we've had over 255 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: the years, These guys, yeah, that say like, thanks for 256 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: helping to spread the word. You got this and this wrong, 257 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: Not like those chess players. Man, man, they were they 258 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: were so mean. I think it's interesting what kinds of 259 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: people are attracted to different. Of course, it's made up 260 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: of the spectrum of people, but they seem to be 261 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: grouped a lot of times, at least from the feedback 262 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: that we get birds of a feather flock together. I 263 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: guess that's the same, isn't it. Should we take a break, yes, 264 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: all right, we'll come back and we'll talk about just 265 00:15:51,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: what in the heck piece hands are doing? All right? 266 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: What are these hams doing one thing you can do 267 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: if you have just a receiver or radio scanner, and 268 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: or even if you have a transceiver where you can 269 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: actually broadcast out. A lot of times are just listening. 270 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: They're just going up and down the frequencies seeing if 271 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: they can hear any interesting conversation. They're going down the 272 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: frequency like boring, you sound ugly, Uh, I don't like 273 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: your voice. Something comic book guy right from the Simpsons. 274 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: And then finally they're like South Korea. I've been looking 275 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: for someone to talk to you from there. And actually 276 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: there's a thing called the QSL cards where you get 277 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: in touch with somebody and um, from what I can gather, 278 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: they mail you a postcard saying this person got in 279 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: touch with me, and you collect these postcards QUSL cards, UM, 280 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: just to be like, look, I've spoken to people in 281 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: a hundred different countries. I'm remember of the Century Club. 282 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: It's like a little merit badge. I think pretty cool. 283 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: So you can listen in UM. The difference between let's 284 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: say radio DJ who just talks at the world or 285 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, or talks to their city is you're are 286 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: generally having a two way conversation with someone or a 287 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: little round table or a little network where people meet 288 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: at a certain frequency at a certain time of the 289 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: week to uh talk shop, I guess, or wrap or 290 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: talk about whatever you want. Basically like hanging out in 291 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: a general store, but on the airwaves, locker room talk, right, 292 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: because all guys do that, so um, they can use 293 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of frequencies. Um. Like we said, they're above 294 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: the A and broadcast band. Uh and apparently a good 295 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: a good band. A good frequency range is from about 296 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: one point six mega hurts to about twenty seven mega hurts. 297 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: That's during the day. Fifteen seven is good for these 298 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: long distance communic ase. So if you're trying to reach 299 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: your friend in Taiwan, maybe log on. We'll not long on. 300 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: So weird to try and use the internet terminology because 301 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: these guys are the ancestor of the internet. Boy, what 302 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: if you need a license to get on the Internet. 303 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Wouldn't be great? Oh yeah, you had to pass it, 304 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: like a decency test or something. It would be I 305 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: mean it definitely do away with that whole net neutrality thing. 306 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, a decency test or maybe just to be 307 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, on social media or something. Yeah, Facebook 308 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, that'd be great, let's limit our users. No. No, 309 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, well, who decides 310 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: what's decent and who creates that test and who administers it? 311 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: And do you do it at the of a barrel 312 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: of an M one or something? No? I do it 313 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: no guns involved. But I mean I think of the questions. Yeah, 314 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: I'm pretty even handed. Give me a good give me 315 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: a good decency question on your test. Um if uh, 316 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: just just be nice and don't be a question be 317 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: hilarious if every single one of the questions start out 318 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: with let's see, uh, just just be nice. Yeah, don't 319 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: be a jerk, don't bait people. Yeah, well, let's just 320 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: good rules to follow. Just be nice, just be nice, 321 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: don't be a jerk. Right, Yes, it's true. And again, 322 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: if you're looking for generally a place where most people 323 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: are nice and nut jerks, you would be happy to 324 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: get into ham Radio. If you're not already right, Another 325 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: thing you might be doing is you might be if 326 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: you are really into it and your old school, you 327 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: might be chatting in morse code. Yeah, and they used 328 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: to to to become a licensed operator. Um, you have 329 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: to you have to take a test, and there used 330 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: to be a Morse code test, and apparently that sort 331 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: of people out pretty quick. I would spectacularly fail a 332 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: Morse code tests, not if you studied, even if I studied, 333 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: you do fine dots and dashes. My brain doesn't think 334 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: like that. They're thinking like, um, like, yeah exactly, Although 335 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: a pizza does look like a lot like a dot, 336 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: and if you stretch a big mac out it could 337 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: be a desk. Maybe I could take on this Morse code. 338 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: I think you could. Well, it doesn't matter anyway now 339 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: because they did away with that segment because they're like, 340 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: Morse code is stupid and we all have voices, so 341 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: we're just gonna go with voice instead. Yeah. I don't 342 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: know if exactly that's how they put it, but that 343 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: was pretty much the thinging behind it. But I also 344 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: get the impression that the purists still dabble in morse code. 345 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: They also write in perfect cursive. I can't do that 346 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: anymore at all, hard Like I could never do a 347 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: cue a capital queue. Couldn't do it. It's kind of 348 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: like a week to remember. Yeah, it's one of these 349 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's kind of sad to me to 350 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: be losing some of these things. Other people say it's 351 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: roll with the changes, like you can't fight progress. But 352 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: is it progress when you lose something? I don't know 353 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: if it was an albatross. I guess it's progress, But 354 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if cursive writing is exactly holding us 355 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: back as as a culture. I print weirdly now because 356 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: I write so seldom to my handwriting is sometimes I 357 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: can't even like read what I wrote. I can never 358 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: read what You're right. It's terrible. Not even a doctor anymore. 359 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: That's why we just type to one another or tattoo 360 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: one another with what we want to say. Or so 361 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: they've gotten rid of morse code purists are still into it. Um. 362 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: I guess we should talk a little bit about Well, 363 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one cool thing you can do is 364 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: talk to people in outer space. Yeah, this article dated 365 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: itself by talking in the present tense about space shuttle missions. 366 00:21:54,359 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: No more space shuttle missions. But astronauts are generally ham 367 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: licensed ye, not ham fested. No, no, no. You gotta 368 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: have tiny, delicate hands to be an astronaut. For sure, 369 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: you just made lobster hands. But astronauts are generally ham 370 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: radio people, and they will I think one of the 371 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: little neat things they'll do is get up there and 372 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: talk to people on Earth. Yeah, and you can talk 373 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: to them because I think they're using a VHF FM 374 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: handheld radio typically, although we may be dating ourselves too 375 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: because from what this this article made mention of using 376 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: um uh packets, which is an Internet term, which makes 377 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: me think that this this um technology has advanced by 378 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: leaps and bounds as far as like using satellites and 379 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I'm not sure if this is 380 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: the case anymore, but ten years ago, when you were 381 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: communicating with an astronaut, they had to be directly overhead, 382 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: but you could talk to him over Ham radio, which 383 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: is pretty awesome. Yeah, And a lot of times when 384 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: the when the astronauts having a conversation, they're talking from 385 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: like one school to the next as they pass over, 386 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: like elementary schools, and yeah, yeah, because I mean, everybody 387 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: likes talking to an astronaut, but elementary school could really 388 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff totally, at least they did 389 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: back in our day. Surely they still do, right, I hope. 390 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: So I would like to think space will always and 391 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: throw all the young I hope. Do you get a 392 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: little older and you're like, what's out there? I like 393 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: it still I do too. I'm kidding, what's out there? 394 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: That's a good question, Chuck. All right, so I guess 395 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit more about licensing. Um. 396 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't understand this whole license thing, Like, 397 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: can you be a rogue ham? Yes, there was a 398 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: guy who was sued by the government for fine, so 399 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: you can do it and set yourself up and they 400 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: you're just not doing it legally. Yeah. So do you 401 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: remember the person who rode in with their pirate radio station. 402 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: They were basically, from what I gathered, they were operating 403 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: a shortwave transceiver, but they were like talking and broadcasting. Well, 404 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: there's a couple of problems with that. Obviously, they didn't 405 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: have a license, which makes it a pirate radio station. 406 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: But number two, one of the hallmarks of shortwave communications 407 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: is a two way conversation. You're not supposed to broadcast. 408 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: So there's this dude who was transmitting on UM one 409 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: of fourteen point to seven five mega hurts frequency and 410 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: I think it was a Michigan or something, and he 411 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: basically was running like a RANTI radio station, and UM, 412 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: anytime somebody was like, hey, get off the get off 413 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: the line, leave this open for somebody else. He would 414 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: go berserk and he yes, man, everyone hated this guy, 415 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: like curse people out and stuff. And then he did 416 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: not fit in the community. He didn't, but he was like, 417 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I belong here just as much as you do. I'm 418 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: licensed and I can be here too. So he countersued 419 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: the government for like fifty million dollars and it got 420 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: thrown out or whatever. I'm not sure it became of him. 421 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: The last article I saw was from like two thousand 422 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: and ten. But um, he's a good example of you know, 423 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: there's there's places where you know, you you would not 424 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: want your kids to sit around listening to what they're 425 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: talking about on the ham spectrum. He's a hamtroll. Yeah, 426 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: he was a hamtroll for sure, And there are plenty 427 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: of others out there. But for the most part, again 428 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: it's mostly the opposite of that. Apparently, CB is known 429 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: to be the opposite where like anything goes, they use 430 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: like crude and vulgar language, and um, so everybody's like, 431 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: that's CB, hams different. But these guys were CBS from 432 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: what I can gather. All right, well, let's take a 433 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: little break and we'll talk a little bit more about him. 434 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm hungry for ham. I know delicious hamlet talk of 435 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: ham like I wish I had ham fist like a 436 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: honey spiral ham. I've never been in the into the 437 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: sweet ones. I like smoked. I like smoked ham too, 438 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: but like a honey baked ham. You don't discriminate. Man. 439 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: Have you had honey baked turkey? That's pretty good too. 440 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: I think it's better than their ham. Oh yeah, Oh 441 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: you mean from the actual honey baked ham corporation? But yeah, 442 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: I like a good smoked ham. No, sweetness doesn't need 443 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: to be sweet. It stands on its own. The problem 444 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: is most hams are really really processed, like just by definition. Yeah, 445 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: like you, it's tough to find ham that's not super processed. 446 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm trying to eat better, so 447 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: I want healthy ham. I don't want to give up ham. 448 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: I don't blame me, man, I love him. We said 449 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: ham a lot so far. All right, So if you 450 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: want to get licensed, um, which you should, well you 451 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: have to. Well that's what I'm saying. I liked not 452 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: run afoul of the law. Um. There is no aid restriction. UM, 453 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: even though the average age in some countries is eighty. 454 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: I also get the feeling that there are plenty of 455 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: twelve year olds out there that have kind of like 456 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: you know, you get a chemistry set. You read an 457 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: article or hear this podcast, and you say, I think 458 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: I might like to try my hand at Ham. Maybe 459 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: there was a g whiz in there, Golly, g whiz, mom, Dad, 460 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: Can I have a Ham radio? Well, if you're if 461 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: you're thinking that right now, there's actually something called Kids Day. 462 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: It's like an International Ham Radio Day to like kind 463 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: of get kids who might be interested in Ham radio 464 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: into it. Basically, dying lower, the lower the barriers to entry. 465 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: I don't think he's dying. Man. Those numbers that you 466 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: gave are significantly higher than the ones I saw. Are 467 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: the ones that are in this article. Seems like it 468 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: is growing well, and maybe there will be some sort 469 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: of a luddite backlash. I think that's part of it. 470 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I think some people are saying, like, yes, I have 471 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: to go work on the internet for work, but I 472 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: I'm so tired of like jerks. I want to go 473 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: somewhere where there's not jerks, you know, I want to 474 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: feel like I'm giving something back to my community. Yeah, 475 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: when a natural disaster strikes, I want them to be 476 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: able to turn to me so I can say, yes, 477 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: this guy is dying at this address. Too bad you 478 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: can't get through to get him out of there. We 479 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: just thought you should know he's gonna die. I like 480 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: the notion of the just the general public do good 481 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: or like um my dad, when I was a kid, 482 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,239 Speaker 1: we had a jeep and back I mean, jeeps are 483 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: all over the place now for people that have never 484 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: been like off of pavement. But back in the seventies, 485 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: jeep if you saw a jeep on the road and 486 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: not well know, you waved. They all waved at each other, 487 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: but there was about a ninety five percent chance that 488 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: that person was an off rotor as well. And about 489 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: half of the jeep said those little winches on the 490 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: front of him. And I remember it didn't snow that 491 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: much in Georgia, but uh, every time it snowed, my 492 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: dad would get on the horn with his jeep buddies 493 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: and they would get out and pull people out of 494 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: ditches and like tow cars, you know, onto the road 495 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, just for no other reason than 496 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: to like, you know, it's probably fun for them to 497 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: come in and save the day, you know, yeah, and 498 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: to help to get that sense of satisfaction. Same. I mean, 499 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: this is a it's the same thing except a little 500 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: less rugged. Yeah, they were. It was also the CB crowd, 501 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: which kind of ties it all together. They're the they're 502 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: the rough ones though that the jeep dudes all had 503 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: to CBS and we talk to each other and right, 504 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: all right, so there's no age restriction. Every country is 505 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: going to have their own licensing deal, but here in 506 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: the US you have to pass the test. Now. I 507 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: think it's what multiple choice questions. I'm curious what they are. 508 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: I I looked and I didn't really see any. Um, 509 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: just be nice, just be nice. How much do you 510 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: love America? A lot? Super a lot more than my 511 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: head can take sometimes? And then Toby Keith levels right, Um, 512 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: But there's three different types of licenses in there, graduated 513 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: in difficulty the tests are, but each one gives you 514 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: more access to more bands on the spectrum. I think 515 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: the highest class is the extra class. And um, you 516 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: don't need to know more for any of these now, 517 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: but I'll bet, I'll bet if you're a level three 518 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: HAM license holder, you probably no more code pretty well too. 519 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not across the board, but I'll bet 520 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: it's pretty high percentage because I imagine you might have 521 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: a little egg on your face if you're an extra 522 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: class uh license holder and everybody's just speaking to one 523 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: another making yeah, and you're like, could you say that 524 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: please out loud? I feel a little left out, Like, no, son, 525 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: didn't it beeps? Or is it clicks? Is it both? Okay? Both? 526 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: I think it depends on the receiver. There is something 527 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: called the American Radio Relay League the a r r L, 528 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: and they've got a great website if you go UM. 529 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: They're all manner of articles about your entree into Ham 530 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: operating and UM statistics and tips and pointers. It's their 531 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: their way into it UM. In Atlanta, we have a 532 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: club I can't remember the name of it UM, but 533 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: it was formed in nineteen eleven and apparently is the 534 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: oldest continuously running club in Georgia. Wow, that actually predates 535 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: Ham Radio according to this. Oh no, it predates the 536 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: American Radio Relay League. Yeah, they were that's really impressive. 537 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty neat. Go Atlanta. I kind of want to 538 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: go to a meeting now and just say hi, I'm chucking. No, 539 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: I'll be like, uh, should we talk about the equipment 540 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: a bit? I guess yeah. I was like, basically I 541 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: had to do a crash course in radio theory. I 542 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: didn't know a lot of this, you know, like I 543 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: know the wavelength is the distance between two crests. I 544 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: knew that frequency is how many waves pass like any 545 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: given point in one second. Um, But I didn't understand 546 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: how radio waves are like propagated, or how antennas receive them. 547 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: And apparently you are running an electromagnetic field through your 548 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: antenna and the end yeah, pretty much. And your antenna 549 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: UM basically is to put it in a layman's terms, 550 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: shooting out radio waves that are being created by an 551 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: oscillator in your in your transceiver, your transmitter, or these 552 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: radio waves which once you shoot it out, if you 553 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: were in outer space shooting off a radio wave, and 554 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: it was guaranteed to never run into a planet or 555 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: a star or anything like that, it would just keep 556 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: going forever. Right, That's what a radio wave wants to do. 557 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: It just wants to keep going. It's not going to 558 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: get messed up or diminished, degrade or anything like that. 559 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: It's when it runs into stuff that it starts to 560 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: or when it when it's hit by m cosmic rays 561 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: that it starts to diminish, degrade or something like that. Right, 562 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: So UM, the if it hits UH antenna and the 563 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: antenna is cut to the right length, and the length 564 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: that you're looking for is half the length half the 565 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: sense of the wavelength. So if you have a very 566 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 1: low frequency wave that's um, you know, a hundred feet 567 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: between waves, you would want a fifty ft antenna to 568 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: to pick it up UM ideally. And that's basically the 569 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: rule of thumb, as you want half the distance of 570 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: the wavelength you're receiving to UM pick up a wavelength 571 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: or a radio wave UM most efficiently. UM. But anyway, 572 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: when a radio wave encounters this electric field, this electromagnetic 573 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: field that you have running up and down your antenna, 574 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: it basically excites the electrons in a way that it 575 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: shoots down into your receiver and magically is transformed into 576 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: a voice. It's really, really really difficult to understand all this, 577 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: Like people go and get like masters and PhDs in 578 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. It's really tough. Guys, give me 579 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: a break. Wow, do you already since the higher. Yeah, 580 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: even from amateurs, I think are probably like that was terrible. 581 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: I can sense that was terrible. No, I think I 582 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: feel confident in it. Uh. You probably have a transceiver. Um. 583 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: Like I said, you could have just a receiver if 584 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: you just want to listen, but you might want to 585 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: talk to UH if you go to buy a new transceiver. 586 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean they run the gamut in price. Um. I 587 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: saw like these fancy ones with all kinds of uh 588 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: really gadgets and spon divots on it that was like 589 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars and up I saw a pretty good 590 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: one for a thousand dollars too. But you don't have 591 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: to go that route. UM, if you want to go 592 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: a little more old school, was something that's a little 593 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: easier to master, UM quicker, then you could get an 594 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: old used one. Yeah. Analog ones are the ones with 595 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: the tuners that you have to like physically, you know, 596 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: adjust your dial, which they're not quite as precise as 597 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: these digital ones, which um you know you can us 598 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: the frequency uh to like a hundreds of a past 599 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: the decimal. Yeah, they're really really precise, but there are 600 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: a lot more complicated and they're more expensive. You don't 601 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: need that to start for sure. Well, and that's one 602 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: of the things they point out this article too, right, 603 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: Like if you think about millions of people, um, and 604 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: only a certain amount of bandwidth, apparently, I think that's 605 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: where you can be on the same frequency and just 606 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: dial it back by a couple of little points and 607 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: create a new I don't know if that count as 608 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: a new frequency or just part a subset of the 609 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: same frequency. I don't know where that begins, where the 610 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: cutoff is. Yeah, but that's to keep from overlapping and 611 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, jamming someone else's frequency, yeah, which can be 612 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: a problem, especially if people in the same town are 613 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: using the same frequency for a different conversation, which is 614 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: why most of the time when you're in the same town, 615 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: you probably know the other HAM operators. And so if 616 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: you're having like a net network where you're like sitting 617 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: around hanging out talking to other people in the same area, um, 618 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: you were going to have a receiver receiving and transmitting 619 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: frequency pair that everybody's using that you're you know, is 620 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: different from something someone else in town or in that 621 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: same area is going to be using as well. Yeah, 622 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: And if you need to move it, you just text 623 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: each other and say to just get on the internet, 624 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: and then you go, oh, wait a minute, what are 625 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: we doing? Uh? Antennas are obviously a big, big part 626 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: of this. And I get the feeling that um Hams 627 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: really enjoy um hacking objects as antenna's. Uh kind of 628 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: like when you may even remember this, but when when 629 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: I was a kid, did you have like antenna TVs 630 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: when your kid? You remember that or was it always 631 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: cable for you? Um? I never had an antenna, but 632 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: like neighbors did. Yeah, I know, yeah, I remember when 633 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: you when I was a kid, Like you know, you 634 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: would put the tinfoil sometimes attached to the antenna. Oh real, 635 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: like rabbit ears on a TV. Yeah, I thought you 636 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: meant the ones on the roof. Oh well those two, 637 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: I guess, but I mean rabbit ears. Sure. Yeah, we 638 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: had this so like if you're not getting the picture, 639 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: you would you would put like foil aluminum foil at 640 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: the end and it stuck to have to stand and 641 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: be the one to stand there and hold it. Yeah. 642 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: And sometimes you yourself could act as an antenna if 643 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: you had metal in your hand or in your teeth. Yeah, 644 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: And I get the feeling him enthusiasts really get into 645 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: that because some of the different things that they will 646 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: use uh include windows, screens on the floor of upper 647 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: floor of a hotel, UH, an extension ladder, an aluminum ladder, 648 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: rain gutters, and down spouts, slinkys. Slinky made sense to me. Yeah, 649 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: but that's a heck of a antenna. Put a slinky 650 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: on a pole. Basically anything that that's metal that you 651 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: can get a current going through and transmit and receive on. Yeah, 652 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: they're talking abou wires like you cast with a fishing 653 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: pole between dormitories. This is old school stuff. It's very cool. 654 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: Do you know what burglar tape is? No, I saw that. 655 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: I'd never heard of that. Apparently the Internet hasn't either, 656 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: because I cannot find any other reference to burglar tape 657 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: aside from this article. Yeah, I don't know everything the Internet. 658 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: It's probably like burglars caught on tape or some burglar 659 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: died after being taped to a tree when he was caught. Yeah. Yeah, 660 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: ham radio to me, that kind of falls in that 661 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: bucket of things that I was talking about, like old 662 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember which podcast it was, but old technologies 663 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: that you can still use, Like I think it's a 664 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: cool skill to have. Like, if it all goes south 665 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: and everything the internet crumbles and people turn on one 666 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: another ham radio, the Hams are gonna be ahead of 667 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: the game. You know, they're gonna be able to communicate 668 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: with one another. Yeah, kind of a neat skill to have. Yeah, 669 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: they'll be like, yeah, the purge looks like it has 670 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: come to pass. The city's on fire. You can go 671 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: to a ham fest if you want to meet people, 672 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: and you can buy cheap used equipment, sure, and get 673 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: tips and tricks from the people you're buying from. Like, yeah, 674 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: if you if you're at all into this, find a 675 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: ham fest. Oh yeah, and if it turns out to 676 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 1: be the food, then enjoy that as well. Lucked out. 677 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: It's called a happy accident. Uh. And then they say 678 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: the best thing to do, like you said, is to 679 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: talk to a HIM enthusiast. And apparently the teachers are 680 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: called Elmer's and uh, I imagine they delight in teaching 681 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: any young kid that comes their way about ham radio. 682 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: I think there's very very few that are like, out 683 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: of my face, kid, I don't want to pass on 684 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 1: my knowledge. I bet they really enjoy that. Yeah, I'll 685 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: there's there's genuinely zero of them who are like, forget you. 686 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't have time for this. I don't like talking 687 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: all right, celebrity hams, are we there? Yeah? Number one 688 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: Ronnie Mills out Apparently Joe Walsh of the Eagles and 689 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: the James Gang is a Ham. Gary Shandling was I 690 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: did not know pass And that's the neat thing you 691 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: can talk with Joe Walsh maybe right, Like the community 692 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: is they encouraged that he's not like I'm Joe Walsh. 693 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for Ronnie millsap only right, I just 694 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: want privacy on my Ham radio. For Scilla Pressley what 695 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: probably spreading a scientology via Ham right now? She was 696 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: a scientologist, oh yeah, or a King Hussain of Jordan's. 697 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: There were a lot of surprised to see a lot 698 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: of dignitaries and like presidents and uh like leaders of 699 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: the free world. It's crazy. I am enthusiasts. Barry Goldwater 700 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: was chet Atkins, and Brando apparently was Oh man, could 701 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: you imagine that conversation. You would be able to pick 702 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: him out immediately, like I think that's Marlon Brando talking 703 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: lies descending on my face. The darkness like, Uh, that's 704 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: not Joe Walsh right. Uh, and apparently when you die 705 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: it's very sad. It's called an s K, a silent key. 706 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: And uh that means you're no longer operating, not in 707 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: this realm, at least not using these antenna I like 708 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 1: that thought. Nice a positive note. Uh, you got anything else? 709 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: Nothing else? I'm gonna go out and get a Ham radio. 710 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: I knew you've got. You bought a slinky, you got 711 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: exploding head syndrome. Now you're gonna become a Ham operator. 712 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about Ham radio, you 713 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: can start by typing those words into our search part. 714 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: But again, just start asking around. Find somebody who is 715 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: a hammer a radio operator. Yeah, find an Elmer and 716 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: they will teach you everything you need to know. And 717 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: since I said Olmer, it's time for listener mail. Hey guys, 718 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: A huge fan of the show, Great entertainment, interesting stuff 719 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: that as a normal lazy person I would never look 720 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: up myself. I really wanted to thank you for keeping 721 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: me company while training for my first ever marathon. I 722 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: believe it's a New York marathon. Yes, training is brutal, 723 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: long hours running alone with nothing to do, but obsess 724 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: on how much it sucks and why on earth am 725 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: I doing this? I don't even like to drive twenty 726 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: six miles. I can't imagine running that. You know, a 727 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: bit of background. I'm thirty nine years old, first time 728 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: ever running a marathon. Uh, and it's going to be 729 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon in early November. Well, that's 730 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: a heck of a one to start on. Yeah, listen 731 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: to your show makes me makes training so much better. 732 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: I've tried everything from music, audiobooks, regular radio, other podcasts. 733 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: Nothing keeps my mind distracted from the pain better than 734 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: your show. Everything's disgusting. It makes me cute. I truly 735 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: love it. I'm not sure if you guys have on it, 736 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: but Babe, a marathon episode would be great. Why do 737 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: we put ourselves through such hell? And the high that 738 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: one gets from running and completing a race runners higher, 739 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: that'd be interesting. I would do a marathon one. I 740 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: would not not a marathon. I would do a marathon episode. 741 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: It would be really short. We just do that to 742 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: be funny, or we make it exactly twenty six minutes long. Anyway, 743 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: Thanks again, guys, and congrats for an excellent show that 744 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: is uh. Marco, Marco, good luck, Yeah, buddy, good luck 745 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: In November. Um, this will be coming out sort of 746 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: around that time. Yeah, so you can listen to it 747 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 1: as you crossed the finish line. Yeah, that'd you go, Marco? 748 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: Come on, man, you can do it. Hang on there, 749 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: get up, Get up, Marco, come on. Oh you should 750 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: probably seek medical attention for that. Just just stay there, man, 751 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: stay down. I love it. Thanks Marco. Best of luck 752 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: to you for reals though, UH and all of you 753 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: who are running in the New York City Marathon or 754 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: any marathon, or doing anything that you use us to 755 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: motivate you with, you can do it. Just keep it up. 756 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with us, you 757 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: can hang out with me on Twitter at josh um 758 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: Clark and uh s y s K podcast. You can 759 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,439 Speaker 1: hang out with Chuck at Charles W. 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