1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: What is up? Ramilly? Welcome to another edition of Between 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: the Horns, presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealers. I'm 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: not JB. Long, I'm Eric Tampozzi aka Ricky Hollywood. And 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: it's a little quieter around the NFL this week as 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: teams cut down their roster to fifty three players before 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the start of the regular season. The Rams made their 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: cuts as well, which we will go over. But first 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to my lovely panel for today. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: We've got former NFL running back and Rams color analysts 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew m j D. Hello, Hello Erica. You 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: forgot to mention CEO and treasurer of the Ramley Organization. 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: I and T T. We gotta work on that name. 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: We don't want to throw iants at all. I also 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: have with me today's Super Bowl champion and Rams sideline 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: reporter de Marco far What you called me lovely? I 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: like it? Lovely panel ever, you are lovely, You are lovely, 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: and last, but definitely not least, she is um and 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I am biased. My favorite beat reporter for the Rams 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: from the Athletic it is Jordan Rodrigue. Jordan, what is up? Hey, 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you. I'm a big 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood fan, big fan of I agree this lovely 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: panel as well, so appreciate absolutely super excited that you guys. 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: E's September first. Okay, the season starts next week. But 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I still have one huge lingering question. Is it too 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: early to start hanging up Halloween and hall decorations? No? September? Right, yeah? Always, 26 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: we're in fall, full fall now in the wheelhouse, Yes, 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, Jordan, I feel like you're judging. I'm 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: getting George. Jordan's a little bit this, a little bit, 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: this little bit, but they can't. There's candy I'm in. 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: But other than that, you know, I feel like it's 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: like spooky season. But well, come on, absolutely Okay, So 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: we're down to the fifty three man roster. Um, let's 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: sort of go through this for people that might not 34 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: be aware of what has happened in the last you know, 35 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: it feels like a whirlwind for the last twenty four hours. 36 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: So let's start with the quarterback position. The Rams keep 37 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: three qbs for a second season in a row. And 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: and Jordan, I want to toss to you first, because 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: I know you were talking about it a lot um 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: for your podcast as well. What do you feel about 41 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: this overall? And you know, what is the benefit to 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: having a three deep keep QB room well, especially because 43 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: they're both lower cost quarterbacks to have backing up. Matthew 44 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: Stafford Um, Yeah, you know, for me, I understand the process. 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: It's different for every team in terms of what they 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: want to do and whether people externally agree or disagree 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: with the ram zone process, the way that they do 48 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: it makes sense. So between the two of them not 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: just picking up defenses week over week and getting the 50 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: defense on the other side as live a rep as 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: they possibly can through a week of competitive work, not 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: just sort of above the neck install that sometimes scout 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: teams have done historically. They're doing live work against this defense, 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and it's really important too to have these guys who 55 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: can not only do that and handle it and give 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: this to top five probably if not Top three heading 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: into the share of defense, the work that they need 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: to do throughout the week against a variety of different offenses, 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: but also a variety of different quarterbacks. They're going to 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: really need to compete in a live setting against Bryce Perkins, 61 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that they're going to see this share, including 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: coming up right away and Josh Allen Bryce Perkins is 63 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: able to give them the looks they need to understand 64 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: how he can move and to understand how hard he 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: is takedown. And I think that is a lot of 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: the prior ordization. You always hear about the backup quarterback 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: being like the emergency option in case something worst case 68 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: scenario happens. On this team, they've been, you know, knock 69 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: on Wood, remarkably lucky with how consistently their quarterbacks have 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: been durable. So they've reprioritized that position into how can 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: we get the most efficient work out of this position 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: out of these two roster spots throughout the entire week, 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: instead of just operating in the outliers, which is a 74 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: worst case scenario. Yeah, Jordan, I would. I would completely 75 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: agree with you. When I started to look at kind 76 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: of why the Rams kept three quarterbacks and what Perkins 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: did in the preseason using his legs and improvising, I 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: kind of thought like, why would you let that go? Right? 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: You have Kyler Murray in your division, you have Trey 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Lance in your division, and again at your rival in 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the Niners that we know Trey Lance has struggled throughout 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: the preseason throwing the football. But what does he do well? 83 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: He runs so Perkins can get that defense set up. 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: And then on the other side is this. I love 85 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: the fact that Sean McVay, if he has to go 86 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: with Wolf, you can go back to that the Bible 87 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: of playbook of twenty eighteen right where it's a lot 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: of play action pass to Ron, get the ball out quick, 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: and then you can run a two quarterback system if 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: you want to. If you want to keep Perkins up. 91 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Let's not go on and saye Stafford, you know this 92 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: is just hypothetical here, but you could then come with 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: Perkins on that red zone offense right where they ran 94 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: the read option and they forced his defenses have to 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: do other things. But I think you hit it right 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: on the head there, Jordan, when you talked about getting 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: your defense prepared and ready for other teams. Yes, the 98 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: Rams are thinking, I think a little further out than 99 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: other teams normally do when you talk about your fifty three. 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: And the other part that I love about the Rams 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: they keep their fifty three right, They keep their guys 102 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: in house. You don't always see them go out and 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: get other guys. If they don't know them, so it's 104 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: important and it's important to keep that nucleus of that 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: locker room going and those guys that are familiar with 106 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: each other. Definitely. So how about some draft picks who 107 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: are poised to have a role on game day? Okay, 108 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: So DK and Kobe Durant, they shined in training camp 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: and they showed what they had in the preseason. How 110 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: much of a role DeMarco do you see them having 111 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: on this Rams defense during the season. Wow? Great question. 112 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: M I love the DK acquisition or the fact that he, 113 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, showed his stuff and has become part of 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: the too deep. Let's just go ahead and say that 115 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: it all depends on you know, what Troy Hill, what 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey give you, if they can stay healthy. But 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: I would think that Kendrick Durant are going to be 118 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: guys that that show out immediately. Rush East is a 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: guy I'm glad that's still on the team. Kier Thomas 120 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: another guy that has a chance to be in that rotation. 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: But I mean it's it's on offense. You saw this 122 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: when he started taking reps with the offense. Kyron Williams 123 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a big part of this offense. 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: Now how much I don't know. It depends on Cam Akers, 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: depends on Darryl Henderson in front of him. But Kyrat 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and Williams will put his stamp or at least have 127 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: something to say about this offense. And you can tell 128 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: they like him. You can tell there's gonna be a 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: plan for him. We talked about this in camp and 130 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: especially when they got near the Bengals. I think he's 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: a great zone runner. He really is. He's very compact 132 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: load to the ground. He's tough to pick up for 133 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: those linebackers coming over the top. You get caught in 134 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: the trash and out the back door he goes. And 135 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: if you tried who you know, defense him with say 136 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: three backers or what have you, the guy can just 137 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: absolutely murder you out of the backfield. So I would 138 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: say Kyron Williams, more so than anybody on defense, will 139 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: probably have the biggest impact on this football team of 140 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: anybody that was drafted this past season. Yeah, he sees 141 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: the wide zone stuff really well. I had noticed this 142 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati when they were doing the live reps and 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Kyron was getting the spot with the ones because Cam 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: and Darrel weren't participating and he sees the perimeters so 145 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: well that that wide zone catch and run stuff that 146 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: we know Sean McVay loves and has sort of wanting 147 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to be to implement a little bit more into this 148 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: offense in compliment to the outside zone than the wide 149 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: zone stuff he already does, and then some of the 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: power stuff that they introduced last year as well. It 151 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: just a player like Kyra gives them more dimension I think, 152 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: to their run game. And that's not to take anything 153 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: away from Cam Darrell. I think they both do that 154 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: very well as well. But having a guy in the 155 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: wings as Kirr and Williams healthy kyr and Williams is 156 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: I think does help them a lot in that dimensionality 157 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: that they're kind of going for with that running backs group. 158 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I love them. I'd rather have the healthy cam akers though. Well, 159 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna if we're going to talk rbs. I mean, 160 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: first of all, Sean, thank you for drafting and giving 161 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: the short RB and the opportunity to showcase his abilities. 162 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, let's not just overlook that. But I think again, 163 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: when you talk about some of the rookies and some 164 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: of the things Kyra, and you're right, DeMarco is going 165 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: to have a big impact, and partly is because of 166 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: his abilities, right his ability to pick up the blitz 167 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: and pass protection. What he did awesome at Notre Dame. 168 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: You heard Sean talk about what Notre Dame did in 169 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: college kind of translates to what the Rams do here 170 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So you have that aspect, But then 171 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: it's the competition in that running back room that's going 172 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: to force these guys to all get better. Cam Akers 173 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: was banged up last year obviously with Achilles comes back, 174 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: but he wasn't satisfying to Mark and we talked to 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: him and OTAs about that. Darrell Henderson is still there 176 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: nipping at his heels and go and now you add 177 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: another piece to the puzzle when these guys can all 178 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: go out there, don't be surprised we see two running 179 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: backs on the field at one time. You know they 180 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: can do be very creative. So I'm really excited to 181 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: see what he's able to do, uh to help this 182 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: running game and help this team get back to where 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: they want to get to. Which one's blocking two running 184 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: backs were both and we're at at wide receiver. Wide receiver, 185 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: they're an empty they're chipping and then they're going, Yeah. Also, 186 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: you guys, guys, you guys know this cam Akers might 187 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: be one of the most fired up individuals I've ever met. Like, 188 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: this dude is ready to go. He's ready to go. 189 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: Keep your body together, man, we need you seventeen one. Absolutely, 190 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: and Kiran was so fast with it with the broken 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: foot injury that he was coming off of. I was 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: blown away at watching him at training camp, which was 193 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: crazy to see. Okay, So let's talk. Lance got a 194 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: mccutch them all, Okay, Lance McCutchen, Right, Lance, I enjoyed it. 195 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. So he was an unlikely candidate to 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: make the team before the preseason. Um, but the questions, 197 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, regarding the availability of Van Jefferson to start 198 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: the season and also Lance's sellar performance in the preseason. Okay, 199 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: let me just spell it out for you. Lance McCutcheon 200 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: baled out, you guys, Okay, and he was rewarded for it. 201 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: Sean McVay and Less and the team were like, we 202 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: cannot let this guy go to Waivers because I really 203 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: truly feel that someone would have picked him up. And Jordan, 204 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: I'd love your your insight on this is he someone. 205 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: Do you think that can be a factor on game 206 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: day for the Rams long term? Yes, short term, I 207 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be getting one of their 208 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: active jerseys in the shortest term. And I don't say 209 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: that as any sort of criticism of his skill set. 210 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: I think we all saw. The highest compliment I could 211 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: pay Lance McCutchen is and I almost said Lance mccletchen 212 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: because that's the thing I've seen on Twitter this entire time. 213 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: But the highest compliment I can give him is that 214 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: he didn't look like he belonged out there in the preseason, 215 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: and if you are understanding of the way that Sean 216 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: McVay runs his preseason, that's the highest compliment a player 217 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: could probably receive. But he also through the entirety of 218 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: training camp, he was only working with the third team offense, 219 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: and he wasn't doing any of the real installs, and 220 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing any of them, you know, the sort 221 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: of onboarding at that high speed that the offense has 222 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: to do during that time of year. He was learning 223 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: the offense for the first time and not getting snaps 224 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: with the with the quarterback that eventually we could probably 225 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: see him playing with in Matthew Stafford. His first catch 226 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: from John Walford happened in the preseason game in Week two. 227 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: That was a first throw that John Wolford ever threw 228 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: to him an entire period. So for me, it's not 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: so much sort of describing his skill set. I think 230 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: his his fit long term with this group is clear, 231 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: But in the shorter term, I do think he's just 232 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: got some catching up to do in terms of what 233 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: is actually expected and also their game planning right now. 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: So if you already have to lay that foundation of 235 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: what this offense is and start to get those reps 236 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: that maybe you missed out on in training camp because 237 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: of the you know, the crowded room of receivers that 238 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: they're function flowing in with the first team, you know, 239 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: you have to you have to understand it's just going 240 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: to take some time. I do think you're going to 241 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: see really big things from him in the long term, 242 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: but in the short term, there's a lot of other 243 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: receivers that just simply know this offense better than he 244 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: does at this time. Well, Jordan, I'll pig you back 245 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: and say this. You know, the way if he wants 246 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: to get on the field early is going to have 247 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: to be special teams and that's normally built by safeties, linebackers, 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: tight end types, and so he's gonna have to showcase 249 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: his ability tackling. Now, let me say this, and this 250 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: is one of the things again, we talk about the 251 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: Rams all the time, how they don't play their starters, 252 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: but mccutching got an opportunity and took advantage of it. Right, 253 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: you're playing with the backups, you're not getting a lot 254 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: of reps in practice. You get all the game reps. 255 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: And he's able to dominate week after week after week. 256 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: He dominated in the joint practices with the Bengals. He 257 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: showed up throughout training camp, and I got a chance 258 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: to talk to a good friend of mine, Greg Olsen, 259 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: who's an offensive assistant before preseason week one. I was like, 260 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: who's the guy that you're looking at. He was like, 261 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: Lance mc cutchens is gonna ball out, like he's one 262 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: of the top guys. Trey Rakis is another guy that 263 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: he talked about as well. But week one, right away, 264 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: preseason game one, this lights it up and I'm like, Greg, 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: how'd you know this? He was like, dude, he's going 266 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: against Jalen Ramsey and all these guys week after week 267 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: after week, and he's making plays, he's catching the ball, 268 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: so we're excited to kind of see what he does. 269 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: And you take advantage of that opportunity and it forces 270 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: the team's hand right. The team's like, look, we have 271 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: to cut a draft pick, right because we don't want 272 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: to put this guy on waivers and lose him to 273 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: someone else. So I think, Jordan, you're exactly right down 274 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: the road on offense, yes, but in the short term, 275 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 1: he needs to figure out how to tackle, how to 276 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: cover with kicks, how to block on kickoff return, and 277 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: then you'll get on the field to get a jersey. 278 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's like special teams. It's like your core 279 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: group of special teamers, that's your most important guys. I 280 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: love this group of special teamers. If he wants to 281 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: fit in, he's gonna have to do more because it 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: tests you're all around game, not just being a receiver. 283 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be a dB at one point, 284 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be a safety. You're gonna have 285 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: to be a guy that carries the football, tackle the football, 286 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: do everything until you can earn a spot at your 287 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: natural spot at wide receiver. But you know, it's it's 288 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: funny watching him go through preseason. Clearly there were times 289 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: when I thought he was the best player on the field. 290 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Anybody want to doubt that both sides where this guy 291 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: is different from everyone else, so he should dominate. Now 292 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: you've earned a spot here. Now, like Jordan said, to 293 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: get into that too deep to where you're actually being 294 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: a part of the game plan. Number One, you're gonna 295 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: have to study your boat up. Number two, we talk 296 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: about special teams. Number three, Let's see if you can 297 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: do it when everybody else on the field is as 298 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: good or better than you. That's what separates guys that 299 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: go home from guys that make the club. So yeah, 300 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: he's big, he's strong, he's fast, and he's a great 301 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: route runner, especially against vanilla defenses. Now let's see what 302 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: happens when you're facing those more intricate schemes and your 303 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't have a whole lot of time and you've 304 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: got to know your outlets and your hot routes and 305 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: your checks. But I was fascinated. I thought he absolutely 306 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: was the MVP of preseason. I hate even saying that, 307 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: but clearly there were times when McCutcheon was the best 308 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: player on the field, so that those guys you don't 309 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: send home, those are the guys you keep. The move 310 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: he pulled against Stingley in Houston, that catch. That was 311 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: a very heady, very aware of technique, very aware of 312 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: the technique the defensive back has to play and how 313 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: you can win your leverage. That's why I think you 314 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: know he's got that sort of acumen that you're talking 315 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: about in terms of of studying. Um, I can just 316 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean midway through the season, I can see the hashtag. Now, guys, 317 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: hashtag let Lance mccookin, right, am, I right, am? I right? 318 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. We let rust cook and it wasn't good. 319 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: So let's let's not use that one anymore. And let 320 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: me add just a little bit more to it. Jordan, 321 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: you talked about that technique. He got into the blind 322 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: side of the dB where the dB couldn't see him, 323 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: was able to cross his face. Very savvy. But the 324 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: other part is this, we talked about Perkins helping out 325 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: and John Woolford helping out the defense. Now you have 326 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Lance McCutchen, who is gonna play the Deebo Samuel who's 327 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: gonna play the DK Metcalf. It's gonna play the DeAndre 328 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Hopkins or the other guys, the Stefan Diggs week after 329 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: week after week. And the more talents you have that 330 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: you can go against Jalen and these other guys will 331 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: prepare your defense. So it's always you're you're saying, I 332 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: don't want to cut good players because good players gonna 333 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: help us be better, not only on the offensive side, 334 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: but on the defensive side as well. Yeah, to root 335 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: for two watching is miked up. You see Cooper Cup 336 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: on the side talking to him about his you know, 337 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: late throw down down towards the end zone at the 338 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: end there, and he's just he's talking to himself. He's like, 339 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm still miked up or 340 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: can you even hear me? I mean, if you guys 341 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: haven't checked that out yet, definitely go walking. Yes, he's 342 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: just like an all around seems like just such a 343 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: guy that I want to root for. And it was 344 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: really exciting to see. Okay, before we get everything, you do, 345 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: now go be a gunnery we about it here. Um, 346 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: do you guys have any questions that you feel still 347 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: need to be answered? Is there a team a question 348 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: surrounding this team that you feel we still need to 349 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: talk about. I think I would say this, I still 350 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: think outside linebacker, you're still trying to figure that position 351 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: out opposite of Leonard Floyd um Thomas did an awesome job, right, 352 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: but can you count on him week after week after week? 353 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: I still want to see kind of what they do 354 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: on the outside of that. There's always going to be 355 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: questions I think as the season goes on, and they'll 356 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: be answered through different challenges. But the outside linebacker opposite 357 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: of Leonard forward is kind of one I'm keeping my 358 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: eye on. Yeah, I agree, actually one hundred percent. That's 359 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: my biggest question. It has been my biggest question since 360 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, last March about right, And I think it's 361 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting because this team is going to have such 362 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: a slate of quarterbacks ahead post November first, right post 363 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: trade deadline, and so to me, that circled on the 364 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: calendar right in terms of you have to know what 365 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't know at that moment. That's going to be 366 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: the biggest decision moving forward for this team is what 367 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: happens after that point. You're facing Justin Herbert, Tom Brady, 368 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Derek Carr. I'm forgetting Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes. 369 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're facing everybody who's not Josh Allen essentially, 370 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: and you might face Josh Allen in the postseason. So 371 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: I think they're the way that they get pressure, first 372 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: of all, because I believe this this is a group, 373 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: this is a savvy group. I believe they will find 374 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: some creative ways to get pressure. The ways that they 375 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: get pressure, and then whether or not those tactics are 376 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: sustainable through the entire season, that's the biggest question to me. 377 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm right there. You still have Aaron Floyd I think 378 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: is they're all right? I guess there's still things. I 379 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: remember talking with Rahee Morris. I fumbled this the last 380 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: time we did between the horns. I said, coach, how 381 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: you doing? He smiled and said, man, how you think 382 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: I'm doing? I got Jalen Ramsey and I've got Aaron Donald. 383 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: He's right, he does. There's ways to manufacture pressure. Plus 384 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: you've got a guy that always wins Maury's I think 385 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm about to say, what my biggest 386 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: question mark is. And outside of this top one hundred 387 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: stuff and Cooper Cup and Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald. 388 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: Let's argue if he's the best or number two to Brady, 389 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the most important person on this football team, it's Matthew Stafford. 390 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: And my question is can you keep him upright? Can 391 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: you protect him? Joseph? There is no Wit, there's no 392 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: Andrew it Worth. Joseph note Boom is a guy that's 393 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: been the understudy. I think he's ready for prime time, 394 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: but he's gonna take his beats. We talked about this 395 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, right that was a pretty good pass for 396 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: rush coming at him. So when you talk about quarterbacks, 397 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna face coming up definite. There's some great guys. 398 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: There's also some great pass rushers coming up on both 399 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: sides that both tackles are gonna have to worry about. 400 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter about your top one hundred, it 401 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: doesn't matter about anything we talked about if you cannot 402 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: protect Matthew Stafford. So to me, until we get to 403 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: next Thursday, we're not gonna know. But until that's answered, 404 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: that will be a question mark for me. Definitely. That 405 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: oh line is definitely something to watch. And having Wit 406 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: in the booth for these preseason games has been so 407 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: eye opening. In such an incredible opportunity, but it made 408 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: me his presence out on that old line even more 409 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: and so I definitely think we are going to feel it. 410 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: But I think, like what you said, DeMarco, that I 411 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: think there are some players that are ready to step up. 412 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: Riley Dixon's replacing Johnny Hecker at punter. That's going to 413 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. DeMarco, you and I were talking 414 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: about Troy Hill off air before we started. You know, 415 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: they added Bobby Wagner. We've already touched on the defense, 416 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: so I won't go into that. I'm just interested to 417 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: see how some of these players contribute and what this 418 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, defense will look like going forward. But I'm 419 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: excited about it. Okay, you guys, that does it. I 420 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: want to thank you M J. D. DeMarco Jordan. I 421 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: am Erica Tamposy, and thank you for tuning in to 422 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: this edition of Between the Horns, presented by your Southern 423 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: California Toyota dealers. See you guys next time.