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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Deal. I'm your host Jason Kelly,

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Speaker 2: alongside my co host and partner Alex Rodriguez. He's back

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Speaker 2: in Miami, coming up on the Deal reporter in sports

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Speaker 2: broadcaster Laura Rutledge. But first, all right, Alex, you're in Miami.

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Speaker 2: I'm in London. We're coming off of All Star Weekend.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on that, and then

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Speaker 2: I can tell you, like, what the heck I'm doing

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Speaker 2: across the pond. But All Star Weekend really fun, new format,

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Speaker 2: like new. Look what you make of it?

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: Look, I still think that Saturday is the most fun

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Speaker 4: and the most engaging day. That's when you have a

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Speaker 4: skills three point contest and obviously the Slam contest. You

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Speaker 4: know the Slam Contest winner. He's won three years in

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Speaker 4: a row. And for me, the highlight was him jumping

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Speaker 4: over the car. That was incredible.

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Speaker 2: Mac mcclunk, he said, be he's an absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Incredible and he never misses a dunk, so he must

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Speaker 4: watch TV. The other part is I know that the

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Speaker 4: NBA got a lot of flak. Some people love this,

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Speaker 4: Some people like this, and people didn't like it, but

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Speaker 4: you got to give the NBA a lot of credit

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Speaker 4: for continue to pivot and continue to find better ways

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Speaker 4: to do things.

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Speaker 3: And I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was super, super fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: And then I immediately jumped on a plane.

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Speaker 3: Plane Where whe where are you these days?

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Speaker 2: So I'm in London. I'm seeing some of our old

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Speaker 2: friends and someone who's been a guest on this show,

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Speaker 2: George Pine, could be hanging out with him. So excited

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Speaker 2: to report back some of the folks that he's pulling

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Speaker 2: together here in London. You know, one of the things

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Speaker 2: that we delved into and highly recommend people go back

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Speaker 2: and listen to and watch the George Pine episode of

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Speaker 2: the Deal. I have to say we've gotten tremendous feedback

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Speaker 2: for that one, in part because this is a guy

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Speaker 2: who very quietly has become one of the most influential

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Speaker 2: sports ecosystem. And I think it's interesting thing about seeing

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Speaker 2: him in London is very much a global approach that

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Speaker 2: he's taking. So I'm excited to do that. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: global the other thing, and I'm excited and I take

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Speaker 2: like just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Of criss a flex. Here comes AUP flex.

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Speaker 2: He's here's the flex just on you, which is I

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Speaker 2: think you're becoming an F one fan, and I like

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Speaker 2: to think I have a little bit to do it.

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Speaker 2: Like you're getting into.

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Speaker 4: It, right, I'm getting into it. I'm getting into it. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I went to the one in Vegas. I really really

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Speaker 4: enjoyed it. Yes, I know where you're going. Are a

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Speaker 4: good friend, Zach Brown, who's a great, great leader. He's

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Speaker 4: the one that's kind of making me feel really excited

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your guy. I mean, you saw him in

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Speaker 2: Vegas and so I remember we talked afterwards and You're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, this F one thing is huge. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: are you kidding me right now? All right? Yeah, But

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons I'm in London this week is

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Speaker 2: F one Media Day is this week here in London.

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Speaker 2: They're doing it for the first time, all the teams

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Speaker 2: together at the O two Arena, you know, which is

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Speaker 2: this massive place, a bunch of fans and journalists and

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Speaker 2: all coming together to really kick off the season. Seventy

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Speaker 2: fifth season. As you said, Miami is probably the next

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. Miami has become a must attend Grand Prix

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Speaker 2: you've seen up close and personal just what it does

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I recently went to the one in Vegas,

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Speaker 4: and I'm telling you, like I've been to Vegas for

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Speaker 4: the last thirty plus years, I've never seen Vegas transform

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Speaker 4: the way it has. And I got to tell you, like,

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Speaker 3: I've never seen cars move like this.

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Speaker 4: The amount of wealth and influential people that are around

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Speaker 4: the hoop, it's like nothing I've ever seen before. And

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Speaker 4: of course F one in Miami also kind of merges

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Speaker 4: with the Man Dolphins ecosystem. We know Joe Cy and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. So that's you know, Steven Ross,

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Speaker 2: Tom Garfinkel, they have put together this empire that is

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Speaker 2: the Miami Open. We're actually to be talking to Tom

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Speaker 2: ahead of the Miami Open. So we're excited to do

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Speaker 2: that because they really had built something very special and

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Speaker 2: as you say, they were one of two teams or

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Speaker 2: really two NFL franchises so far that have sold a

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Speaker 2: lot to get into when we talked to Tom Garfinkel

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Speaker 2: in a few weeks. Coming up today, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Laura Rutledge, and you know, we feel like

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Speaker 2: we know her from TV. You have another personal connection

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Speaker 2: to her, which is her husband played Major League Baseball

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Speaker 4: And you know, I never knew that these two worlds

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Speaker 4: He played for the Red Sox and a few other

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Speaker 4: teams and He was very, very solid, and it was

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Speaker 4: really nice to come full circle interview his very talented wife,

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Speaker 4: and she was really fascinating. I learned so much and

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited for our listeners to hear what she

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, she's amazing and really has transformed the world

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Speaker 2: of broadcasting, especially when it comes to football, and we

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Speaker 2: the merger of the college game, at least on the

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Speaker 2: highest level. She went to University of Florida. She knows

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Speaker 2: football have done in college football have done as they

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Speaker 2: become more and more I dare say NFL Junior. So

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Speaker 2: we'll get into all that coming up with the deal.

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Speaker 2: Reporter and sports broadcaster Laura Rutledge. All right, we're so

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Speaker 2: excited to have Laura Rutledge here with us. You see

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Speaker 2: her everywhere. She's on NFL Live all year round. She's

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Speaker 2: definitely going to get into that. Laura, so happy to

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be with you guys, just a

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Speaker 1: huge fan of what you do in general, and especially

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Speaker 5: Just so appreciative that you'd have me on.

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Speaker 4: So, Laura, when I was doing a little research about you,

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Speaker 4: My daughter is a sophomore the University of Michigan and

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Speaker 4: she studies musical theater. And I saw that when you

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Speaker 4: to China to be a dancer or ballet A is

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Speaker 4: that true? And b how did you pivot from that

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Speaker 3: It was pretty awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who knew me back then, they're like, wait, what

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Speaker 1: Arts and all that in Ballet was truly my favorite

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Speaker 5: Don't think I could send my kids over there like that,

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Speaker 1: But it really was incredibly difficult, But it was incredible

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that totally makes sense. So let's jump into it

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Speaker 2: and talk about your journey and your way into this business.

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Speaker 2: When you're at University of Florida. I mean, is this

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I never could have imagined this.

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Speaker 1: Guys have ever read Malcolm Gladwell's book The Outliers, but

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Speaker 1: I subscribe to his ten thousand hours of reps or

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Speaker 1: And I feel like every day I'm still trying to

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Speaker 2: Know, to the sort of reps of it all. It

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Speaker 2: also strikes me that when you get to University of Florida,

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Speaker 2: you know, Alex and I talk all the time, and

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Speaker 2: maybe you've talked about it on the show, this intersection

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Speaker 2: of business, sports and culture. I grew up down South.

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Speaker 2: I was in more of an ACC kid than an

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Speaker 2: family who went to SEC schools. It's a way of life.

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Speaker 2: And I do wonder you know how you saw and

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Speaker 5: A nice play in that. But they want it all right.

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Speaker 1: all this, it's like, okay, so so these universities are

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Speaker 1: going to be paying some form of payment to these players.

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Speaker 5: But they don't have any control over it.

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Speaker 1: The players need to be able to negotiate for themselves,

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Speaker 1: and I believe they can't.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The issue there is if I were in charge, I

446
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Speaker 1: would say that means, you know, truly the players are negotiating.

447
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Speaker 5: We're not having all this outside noise and these agents

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Speaker 5: and people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just very murky right now with all

450
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Speaker 1: of the people, I would say, cut the fat. Make

451
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Speaker 1: sure that these players are getting the best advice possible

452
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Speaker 1: and so that they really can make decisions for themselves,

453
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Speaker 1: be advised in a way that would.

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Speaker 5: Benefit them long term.

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Speaker 1: You know, you hate to see anything mismanaged or people

456
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Speaker 1: taking advantage of them or anything like that. And I

457
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Speaker 1: do think the reality is they are young, so that's

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Speaker 1: part of it, But how can they set themselves up

459
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Speaker 1: for success long term? I think that's kind of the

460
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Speaker 1: main thing and then doing everything possible to make it

461
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Speaker 1: equal in a way, as equal as we can. And

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Speaker 1: that's where I do think the suggestion of like a

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Speaker 1: super conference that is a step of a bus. Right,

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Speaker 1: Let that happen, but then also let these other universities

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Speaker 1: have a fair playing field against each other to allow

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Speaker 1: for further opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many people that you look at

469
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Speaker 1: who have great success in life because they were a

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Speaker 1: legend at wherever it may be, let's call it Houston

471
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Speaker 1: or something. They were a great player at University of Houston.

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Speaker 1: They go on to have a law firm there because

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Speaker 1: they're well known, you know, for anybody who was a

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Speaker 1: fan of the school. How do we continue to keep

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Speaker 1: that going where they're still prominent enough? And then there

476
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Speaker 1: are plenty of players if I use the Houston example,

477
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Speaker 1: at Oliver who goes on to be an excellent NFL

478
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Speaker 1: player at the highest level, a high draft pick. There

479
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Speaker 1: are so many examples of this where I think that's

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Speaker 1: important to continue.

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Speaker 5: But regulate it, and it has to be regulated.

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Speaker 1: And listen, maybe we should all partner together to do

483
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Speaker 1: this because Nick Saban doesn't want to do it as

484
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Speaker 1: much as people are like, let's let him control college football,

485
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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm good, I'm not interested. But yeah, that's

486
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Speaker 1: the main key, giving the players a voice to actually

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Speaker 1: negotiate for themselves, and then also regulation that is in

488
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Speaker 1: their benefit and with their well being in mind.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited because there's so many players to go,

490
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Speaker 4: but I want to push you a little bit on

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Speaker 4: a specific take Carson Back. We've talked about him. Four

492
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Speaker 4: million dollars the largest payout. I feel there's a bit

493
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Speaker 4: of a blind spot when I've signed a professional contract

494
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Speaker 4: in baseball, you get a certain amount of payment, and

495
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Speaker 4: for that there's a commitment, whether there's a five year

496
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Speaker 4: commitment a ten year commitment, there's a.

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Speaker 3: Loyalty that's practiced.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little bit confused, like, Okay, the player gets

499
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Speaker 4: four million, but what is the commitment the player gets

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Speaker 4: back to the university. I don't like the idea that

501
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Speaker 4: you can be a free agent every year, or you

502
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Speaker 4: can take the money and then run the other way.

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Speaker 3: How do you fix that? And do you think that's

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Speaker 3: a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's interesting because I agree with you the

506
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Speaker 1: pushback that we've seen there from players themselves and just

507
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Speaker 1: from fans even is that we'll look at the coaches.

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Speaker 5: They make all this money and they can leave whenever.

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Speaker 1: They want, and basically their contracts, I mean, the universities

510
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Speaker 1: buy them out.

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Speaker 5: How many times have we seen I mean, jeez, Miniez.

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Speaker 1: You think about Jimbo Fisher for example at Texas A

513
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Speaker 1: and M one hundred million dollars didn't work out. Now

514
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Speaker 1: they tried for a while and they finally said, we're

515
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Speaker 1: cleaning our hands of this. Now they get a lot

516
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Speaker 1: of money there. But I think that's where people have

517
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Speaker 1: been resistant, like if coaches can do this, why can't players.

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Speaker 1: But what I would say is if I'm somebody who

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Speaker 1: wants more investors, if I'm a fan of a university, Right,

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Speaker 1: so let's say we're Miami fans Carson Beck, we have

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Speaker 1: him for a year, let's say, and he's making four million,

522
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Speaker 1: and he's going to stick around. Well, who's the next

523
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Speaker 1: Carson Beck? And you're only getting more money if these

524
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Speaker 1: investors feel like their investment's paying off. If these donors

525
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Speaker 1: feel like their investment's paying off. So to your point,

526
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Speaker 1: if I'm putting money on something like I want to know, Okay,

527
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Speaker 1: how are you filling your end of the bargain here,

528
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Speaker 1: and I do think that and that's where maybe, you know.

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Speaker 5: If players do have a voice, there's a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit more of a hey, look, well, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to give us this, here's what we offer on

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Speaker 1: our side, and here's our commitment. Because you're right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's risky, like every single time these universities are

534
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Speaker 1: paying this big cash to get these guys, and you

535
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Speaker 1: know this is so relatively new, right, it's only been

536
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Speaker 1: going for four seasons or whatever it is, you're wondering if.

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Speaker 5: It's going to pan out.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can think of more times when

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Speaker 1: it hasn't than when it has. And that's where a

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Speaker 1: lot of schools are running into trouble, you know, having

541
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Speaker 1: the amount of cash that they need, right, And here's

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Speaker 1: nothing I would add. I've been talking to some people

543
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Speaker 1: recently who are either very connected to donors at top

544
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Speaker 1: universities or our donors themselves, and they don't have a

545
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Speaker 1: big appetite to.

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Speaker 5: Donate because of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that's interesting is there are a lot of

548
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Speaker 1: people that say, well, I think we need to make

549
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Speaker 1: a coaching change. So until we do that I'm holding

550
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Speaker 1: on to my money. Now, if we make a coaching

551
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Speaker 1: change and I like the coach, I'm going to spend

552
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Speaker 1: all my money and I'm gonna immediately add.

553
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Speaker 5: To the collective.

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Speaker 1: So that's another thing too, Like I wonder could you

555
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Speaker 1: add some regulation where you're bringing in more of a

556
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Speaker 1: steady stream of.

557
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Speaker 5: Ca so that if a player is available in the.

558
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Speaker 1: Portal who's a game changing player can get you to

559
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Speaker 1: championship level, which you know Miami's hoping that's what happens here,

560
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Speaker 1: that you're prepared for that and you're ready.

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Speaker 2: I really like where you're going, Lauren, in terms of

562
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Speaker 2: saying you have this like more regulated, highly profitable, high

563
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Speaker 2: octane business of you know, a super conference where you

564
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Speaker 2: really can manage that as ANFL junior. Whether the NFL

565
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Speaker 2: wants that association or not is almost irrelevant. Doesn't like kid,

566
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's NFL junior. Although it's funny to

567
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Speaker 2: call people who play that level of college football junior

568
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Speaker 2: or anything. But anyway, but I do think you know,

569
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Speaker 2: one of the things that we don't want to lose.

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Speaker 2: And I say this from a personal perspective, as Alex knows,

571
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Speaker 2: I have a son, who plays Division three lacrosse, And

572
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Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is is that, like I

573
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Speaker 2: look at him and his teammates, and obviously I'm very

574
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Speaker 2: biased towards my son, but it's like he is going

575
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Speaker 2: to be so well prepared to work in the business world,

576
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Speaker 2: you know, Like there is something about like, if you're

577
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Speaker 2: a high level athlete at the college level, certainly at

578
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Speaker 2: the professional level, you are trained in a way that

579
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Speaker 2: is extremely attractive to employers. And I've said this about

580
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Speaker 2: Alex in front of him as well. It's like, you

581
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Speaker 2: know what this guy is, and I'm pointing to Alex

582
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Speaker 2: right now, incredibly coachable. He takes feedback really well, you know,

583
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Speaker 2: and it's like there is such high value in that

584
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Speaker 2: that I really don't want us to lose because money

585
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Speaker 2: just overwhelms this sport. And so I think you're right

586
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Speaker 2: that there has to be some sort of bifurcation so

587
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Speaker 2: that we don't essentially destroy college athletics in the pursuit

588
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Speaker 2: of like these bigger and bigger profits. So, like, I'll

589
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Speaker 2: step off my soapbox now, but like I think about

590
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Speaker 2: that all the time.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's such a great anecdotal example, because I do

592
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Speaker 1: think that gets lost in it all sometimes. And you know,

593
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Speaker 1: the other thing that I would throw out there is

594
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Speaker 1: just a.

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Speaker 5: Fan of the sport.

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Speaker 1: I'm even over here pitching this super conference thing because

597
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Speaker 1: I actually think it creates more opportunity for maybe the

598
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Speaker 1: schools and the athletes that aren't getting as much attention

599
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Speaker 1: because they would have a little bit more of an

600
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Speaker 1: equal footing. But you don't want to lose traditions. That's

601
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Speaker 1: the other thing too, Like how do we say, all right,

602
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Speaker 1: we're creating this whole thing, and you still want these

603
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Speaker 1: great matchups, right, like the out of conference big time,

604
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Speaker 1: the you know, the Michigan versus Alabama, like that whole thing.

605
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Speaker 1: You want that, and I think that's that'd be totally

606
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Speaker 1: doable in this model. But you also want to still

607
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Speaker 1: hold on to the traditions that are so iconic with

608
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Speaker 1: college football and college basketball too.

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Speaker 5: Right. And then the other piece.

610
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Speaker 1: Of this, which shouldn't be thought of as a secondary piece,

611
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Speaker 1: is the opportunity for women because so many times, you know,

612
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Speaker 1: we've got Title nine and all that, but when it

613
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Speaker 1: comes to professional opportunities, women don't have as many. It's

614
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Speaker 1: really women's basketball. Maybe there's more coming in the softball world,

615
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Speaker 1: where you're seeing more of these women have an opportunity

616
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Speaker 1: to advance in softball, but when it comes to gymnastics,

617
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Speaker 1: for instance, or something else, this is their chance to

618
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Speaker 1: make their money and to make their connections and to

619
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Speaker 1: build their brand that ultimately allows them to have success

620
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Speaker 1: in life. And that's where I'm hoping. However, the conferences

621
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Speaker 1: get worked out or whatever happens with NIL, those opportunities

622
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Speaker 1: need to still be there for women, and we've seen

623
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Speaker 1: many of them take advantage of it. I've talked to

624
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Speaker 1: so many female athletes too, who say, yeah, I'm going

625
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Speaker 1: to stick around and use as much of my ability

626
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Speaker 1: eligibility as possible because this is how I'm.

627
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Speaker 5: Going to make money.

628
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Speaker 1: I'm making way more money doing this than I would be,

629
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Speaker 1: you know if I went into the workforce.

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Speaker 4: Well, Laura, I'm super interested in this because I always

631
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Speaker 4: love kind of the art of preparation, right, and my

632
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: mentors always told me you want to be really prepared,

633
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Speaker 4: and that's really one of the biggest advantages you can

634
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Speaker 4: have on television or presentation in business. My question to

635
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Speaker 4: you is I struggle sometimes as a bilingual child. My

636
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: parents at both Dominican, I was born in New York,

637
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Speaker 4: but I was raised, you know, talking Spanish at home,

638
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Speaker 4: and when I go back from Spanish to English and

639
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: back and forth sometimes to struggle, or if I'm talking

640
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: baseball for the whole month, doing the playoffs in the

641
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: World Series, and then I transition to basketball, sometimes I

642
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: get now you you're doing NCAA, NFL Live, and now

643
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: you've added golf to your portfolio. How do you think

644
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Speaker 4: about your preparation and sometimes does it get confusing for.

645
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Speaker 3: You at all?

646
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm always like, oh my goodness, what am I

647
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: talking about today? Because it's just not possible to be

648
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Speaker 1: as invested as I want to be. And what I

649
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Speaker 1: would say, just being completely honest here, that's been a

650
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Speaker 1: really hard adjustment for me because I like to be

651
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Speaker 1: over prepared for everything, and I'm very much like, Okay,

652
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Speaker 1: let me control what I can control, and that's what

653
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Speaker 1: I can control.

654
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Speaker 5: I can be as prepared as possible.

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Speaker 1: I've had to let go of some of that a

656
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Speaker 1: little bit, just because there's too much that I'm trying

657
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Speaker 1: to handle all the time. But what I found is

658
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Speaker 1: that sometimes giving up that control can be freeing in

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Speaker 1: a way, and it's made me better at times because

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Speaker 1: I say, all right, now, I'm just kind of being

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Speaker 1: a fan and a human being, and I'm reacting to

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Speaker 1: things with curiosity. I'm admitting when I don't know something,

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Speaker 1: and I'm being very honest about that and saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I need to research that, and I want to present

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Speaker 1: and come across as credible and knowledgeable but not beating

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Speaker 1: myself up as badly as I have in the past.

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Speaker 2: So, Laura, you mentioned Jayden Daniels and the Commanders, and

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Speaker 2: I want to spend a few minutes if we can't

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Speaker 2: talk about the NFL. This is a season full of storylines.

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Speaker 2: You covered all of them. One of the things Alex

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Speaker 2: and I were joking about this before we came on.

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Speaker 2: You have a daily show in the NFL. Because the

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Speaker 2: NFL and professional football is twenty four to seven, three

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days a year. I'm one of

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Speaker 2: the most brilliant sort of like business evolutions and explosions

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Speaker 2: I think we've seen. As you think about like the

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Speaker 2: business storylines of this past season and going into new season,

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Speaker 2: like what are the two or three that are top

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Speaker 2: of mind for you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: People are always like, oh, the super Bowl's over, it

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Speaker 1: must be time off.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well kind of.

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Speaker 1: But you know, like before you know it, it's the

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Speaker 1: combine and free agency and then the draft and they

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Speaker 1: just keep going. So as far as storylines, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is going to be what

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Speaker 1: are the Chiefs do because they're not going to be

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Speaker 1: satisfied with losing, you know, they just don't do that.

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Speaker 1: And we saw this, you know, the last time that

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Speaker 1: they lost in a Super Bowl against the Bucks, they

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Speaker 1: went out and they spend a bunch of money on

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Speaker 1: their own line.

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Speaker 5: So I think you'll see them try to spend there.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, there's so many of these teams

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Speaker 1: that are going to be in free.

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Speaker 5: Agency able to help themselves. And this is a really.

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Speaker 1: Unique year because the quarterback draft is not super strong

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Speaker 1: whereas last year it was. And we've seen that play

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Speaker 1: out right with these guys showing so much potential Jayden

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Speaker 1: and Daniels especially, But you get to see teams say

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Speaker 1: I'm not reaching for a quarterback and they're going to

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Speaker 1: try to grab a guy like a Kirk Cousins in

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Speaker 1: free agency and can you revive his career, which I

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Speaker 1: think potentially will happen. That's where I think the cap

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Speaker 1: structure and the way that teams spend is going to

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Speaker 1: be really interesting to watch. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: money spent to create rosters that can make it all

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Speaker 1: the way and then you know, you hope it works.

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Speaker 1: And then what you'll also see as teams being a

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Speaker 1: little bit more conservative than they would have been otherwise

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft and when it comes

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Speaker 1: to big time trades because they may feel like there's

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Speaker 1: not a quarterback in this draft that really screams to

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Speaker 1: them like this is our franchise.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Staying in the business of NFL. I think one of

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Speaker 4: the main storylines this year was Tom Brady, and both

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Speaker 4: Jason and I are huge Tom Brady fans. Yeah, my

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Speaker 4: question to you is a guy like Tom in his

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Speaker 4: first year with the limitations of not being able to

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Speaker 4: have access to both locker rooms production meetings, how difficult,

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Speaker 4: how challenging is it for Tom? And what was your

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Speaker 4: over impression on his performance this year in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, Alex, you know, like just the prep of being

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Speaker 1: able to talk to people who you're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about is crucial, and when you're not in the room,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to really get the information the way that

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Speaker 1: you want to get it. And so I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Tom has been so successful and he's

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Speaker 1: done so many things so well that it's not something

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Speaker 1: where we're feeling like, oh my goodness, he didn't live

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Speaker 1: up to the hype or he didn't do as well.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't have the same advantages that you know,

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Speaker 1: normally you would and that's his own doing, right.

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Speaker 5: He would be the first to.

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Speaker 1: Admit that because he has been such a smart businessman

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Speaker 1: with everything that he's dealing with. I think people were

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Speaker 1: overcritical for sure, But it is difficult, and it happens fast.

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Speaker 1: And when you're calling a game, everything's going on and

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Speaker 1: you've got people in your ear saying, okay, what look

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Speaker 1: do you want now, they're not telling you what to say.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: So I think he will be really good, like if

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Speaker 1: he wants to continue, and I think he was already good.

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Speaker 5: He just needs more reps.

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Speaker 1: It's like we were talking talking about from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people who want to write him off

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Speaker 1: and be haters, they're just being haters, you know, because

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Speaker 1: it's just not easy to do and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of us got experience, you know, honing our craft

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Speaker 1: where maybe not that many people saw, or maybe it

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Speaker 1: was in Triple A or maybe.

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Speaker 5: You know, the miners or whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: He comes out and he's going to call super Bowl

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Speaker 1: his first season.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy the eyeballs on that, and just to try

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Speaker 5: to manage the nerves.

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Speaker 1: I just sympathize with whatever Tom, you know, has felt.

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Speaker 5: He's a perfectionist.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be the best at his craft, and

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Speaker 1: it's definitely possible, you know, with more reps. And I

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Speaker 1: think people need to be a lot kinder about.

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Speaker 5: How they speak about everybody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Alex, I'm guessing you had that experience. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like you and I've talked before about how those early

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Speaker 2: days when when you were going on air was not easy.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that with Kevin Burkhart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Laura's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what she's talking about is to open and

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Speaker 4: I did something I baseball for a few years Laura

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Speaker 4: for ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Great, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: But I was so nervous for those first two minutes

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Speaker 4: and you're on TV and you're talking in the mic

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Speaker 4: and literally once the camera goes off, you will go

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Speaker 4: and then you can take your jacket off and like

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Speaker 4: the game can start now, right, But like it's just

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Speaker 4: you would think two minutes is nothing, but when you're

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Speaker 4: in novice, it was a big deal for me, and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a big deal for Tom.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: You can't replicate the red light turning on, right, like

785
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Speaker 1: you can practice.

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Speaker 5: You can think it in your mind and.

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Speaker 1: Then it happens and you're like, oh man, you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: now now it's real, you know, and you're thinking a

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Speaker 1: million miles a minute.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing. I mean, just to put a button

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Speaker 2: on this. I mean, having worked in TV and radio

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Speaker 2: over the last you know, many years, I've had the

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Speaker 2: chance to interview so many like hyper hyper powerful, successful

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Speaker 2: multi billionaires over the years. You know, they've negotiated the

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Speaker 2: toughest deals in history, you know, made the biggest decisions.

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Speaker 2: And you put them on the bright lights, you put

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Speaker 2: a camera on them, that red light goes on. They're

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Speaker 2: literally shaking, Like I mean, I've come off set with them,

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Speaker 2: and inevitably they're like, was that okay? How did I do?

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Speaker 3: Jason?

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Speaker 4: Let me add one thing to what you're saying, because

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Speaker 4: I think you're dead on. I heard Oprah one say

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Speaker 4: that she's interviewed everyone, and she may have said, like,

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Speaker 4: I've interviewed seven or eight presidents, prime minister's, every actor,

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Speaker 4: you name it. The one common denominator of the thousands

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Speaker 4: of interviews she's done over the last thirty or forty

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Speaker 4: years has been how do I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: At the end, how'd I do? Right? And that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: So it tells you, no matter how big you are,

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Speaker 4: how popular, how wealthy, how smart, everyone still has that

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Speaker 4: insecurity that Laura's talking about. When that red light goes on,

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Speaker 4: it's different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd I do? Was was that okay? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and you're like, you're Barack Obama.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: It's good. It was good moving.

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Speaker 5: Does anybody ever say no, it wasn't okay?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, can you imagine saying it's like it

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Speaker 2: could have been better? Yeah, keep trying, maybe come back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's fine, it's fine, all right. So let's

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Speaker 2: do our lightning round here, Partner, five questions you can,

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Speaker 2: you know, just answer him, Ty Laurie. You're a great broadcaster.

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Speaker 2: You know how to do it. So I'll start and

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Speaker 2: then Alex he'll pick up. All right, what's the best

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Speaker 2: piece of advice you've received on deal making or business?

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Speaker 5: Don't sell yourself short?

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Speaker 3: Who is your dream deal making partner?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say my dad. He's a great businessman. Graduate

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Speaker 1: of Harvard Business School. He has created all kinds of

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Speaker 1: different companies over his years.

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Speaker 5: Some have succeeded, some have failed.

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Speaker 1: He actually recently sold his company, and I'm really happy

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Speaker 1: for him. He's finally retired, but I feel like he

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Speaker 1: still has that itch, so we'd be good making deals together.

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Speaker 3: My little Laura flex there, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. What's the most nervous you've ever been?

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Speaker 5: Ooh, that is such a good one.

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Speaker 1: I would actually say it was my very first broadcast

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Speaker 1: for the Rays. This would have been twenty eleven, Spring

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Speaker 1: of twenty eleven, and I had never done live television before,

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00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: so I have no idea why they thought I could

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Speaker 1: do this.

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Speaker 5: But I was able to kind of tread water through

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Speaker 5: it and get past it. But I was so nervous.

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Speaker 1: I was sweat and so bad that I sweat through

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Speaker 1: my whole shirt. And I was like, from then on,

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Speaker 1: I'm only wearing black.

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Speaker 5: Because this is bad.

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Speaker 4: What is your hype song before a big meeting or negotiation.

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Speaker 1: I have a few, but I'm going to go with

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00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: this is so corny, but it's good Rachel Platten fight song.

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Speaker 1: If you hear it and it doesn't get stuck in

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Speaker 1: your head, there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 2: Now it's going to be in my head for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the day. Thank you. It's good. That's good,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, all right. Last question, what's your

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Speaker 2: advice for someone listening who wants a career like yours.

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Speaker 1: I steal this one from Eleanor Roosevelt. No one can

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00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: make you feel inferior without your consent, and I think

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00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: that's really key in this business because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of comparison, there's a lot of criticism, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things like that. If you can overcome that and

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Speaker 1: not let it completely control your life and your career,

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Speaker 1: you can have success in this business.

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Speaker 2: All right, Laura Rutledge, you're the best. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We really enjoyed it. Best of luck, you know, through football,

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Speaker 2: through golf, through everything else, we will certainly be tuning in.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all, this is so much fun and Lauras

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Speaker 1: and Josh my best I will thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason Kelly.

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Speaker 2: This episode was made by Anamazarakis, Stacy Wong, and Lizzie Phillip.

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