WEBVTT - S1E1 Pilot + Richard Shepard

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hi, How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody out there?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>Betty?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing here? Come back?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you all here again?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is MARKO Delacado.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is An Ortiz.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me introduce to you. I like doing that. Can

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<v Speaker 3>we do that moving forward?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, guys, I will let him do that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>used to be people being, you know, like so gentlemanly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not used to you being so.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a peg.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Mark Delocado and this is my best friend Anna Ortiz.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? I can so happy that you all are back.

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<v Speaker 4>We are here to talk about the pilot of our

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<v Speaker 4>beloved Betty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and Viva Betty. By the way, that's the name

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<v Speaker 3>of this podcast. Yeah, you didn't know already.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're coming back.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean, there's so much to say about this episode, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Marky, you were a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little, little little one. Yes, you were adorable. I know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if you guys remember, but Mark

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<v Speaker 4>is actually doing the rewatch. He's doing a watch watch.

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<v Speaker 4>He's never watched these episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I think you've seen a few.

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<v Speaker 3>I had seen the pilot when it came out, and

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the finale episode of the series finale, right, so,

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<v Speaker 3>which is eighty three episodes in between.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not seen.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so, but you what's funny is that the pilot episode,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is not a spoiler alert, but the last episode,

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<v Speaker 4>we actually we actually copied a scene that you had

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<v Speaker 4>in the pilot to also have that same moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Between you and Betty Yes in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what's so crazy about that? A fun

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<v Speaker 3>anecdote about about that. I mean, I think that everyone

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's listening or watching has has seen the show

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<v Speaker 3>that Pat Field and and team made sure that America

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<v Speaker 3>and I were in the same color palette.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 3>So the so in the in the pilot episode, she's

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<v Speaker 3>in a blue, uh sweatshirt and I'm in like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a reddish pink like T shirt shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you look at them, kind of stacked from

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<v Speaker 3>season four from season one. I'm in like a like

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<v Speaker 3>a pink a pink cardigan and she's in a probably

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<v Speaker 3>at that point it was in fact, Mark Jacobs, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to we like what it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>got at the bug and Base who is.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin was in his mode era. He was definitely in

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<v Speaker 2>his fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>But he always was in his Mode era even when

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<v Speaker 3>we met him, even though it wasn't you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>did have a fashion glow up.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm like, so, well, you were the one when

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<v Speaker 4>when she got the call from from Okay, well we're

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<v Speaker 4>skipping ahead, but yes, right, you were the one who

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<v Speaker 4>she was like for Mode anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's.

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<v Speaker 3>See, but we can get we can get there, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, so I'm like so excited to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>that scene in fact, and I just think that one

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<v Speaker 3>of the you know, one of the things that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do on this podcast is we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>play like a few little games with each other for

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<v Speaker 3>every episode.

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<v Speaker 4>And you guys are definitely welcome to give us any

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<v Speaker 4>ideas that you have or like your opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear them, even if you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Reading us, and we want to read them, like we

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<v Speaker 3>want to read them and actually talk about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, because.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so actually speaking because you and I you said

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<v Speaker 4>to save this for the pod, so I'm saving it

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<v Speaker 4>for the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>But we were talking.

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<v Speaker 4>About how Marky was like, well, basically we can't just

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<v Speaker 4>like read the divas on the first episode, because you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was what it was for that place in time.

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<v Speaker 2>But so we go.

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<v Speaker 4>So Betty goes in, she goes into the she's wearing

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<v Speaker 4>the poncho, she gets she gets rejected from the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradford. Mead is looking over at her. She comes home,

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>She thinks she blew it the audition, the interview. But

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<v Speaker 4>we open up in the home and of course you

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<v Speaker 4>know this is going to be told from a home

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<v Speaker 4>point of view because that that was our world.

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<v Speaker 2>But we open up. This is my question to you, Marky.

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<v Speaker 2>So we open up and it's Selma and she's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the telenovela which I loved. I loved the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing of our show. And it's salmon, her gorgeous. She's

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<v Speaker 2>holding a gun and.

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<v Speaker 4>She's shaking, and you know, so this is my question

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<v Speaker 4>to you. So she's she's obviously with a man who.

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<v Speaker 2>Is you know, uh.

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<v Speaker 4>They have a very volatile relation, that's right, And she's

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<v Speaker 4>holding the gun and she's going to shoot him, but

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<v Speaker 4>he swipes the gun away and grabs her and she

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<v Speaker 4>ends up making out with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, in this day and age, could we do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it sounds like a normal Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Night to me, fair fair enough, But I don't you

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<v Speaker 2>know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually think that we could because because it's a novella,

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<v Speaker 3>and also, like you know, camp is not dead, thank god.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we just all like be just so for real,

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<v Speaker 3>just be so for real when it comes to representation, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we can all be.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh like PC and a lot better.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But when it comes to just like something that's

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<v Speaker 3>playing out on television, especially like it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>meta experience, right, like and also like in the telenovella space,

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<v Speaker 3>like if you don't know that much about telenovelas, like

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's it's it's high and drum.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like like in the.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hysterical, absolutely, and so yes, I think that that exists.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that should continue to exist.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we should make more films that are

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<v Speaker 3>are or more television shows that that involved that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of camp.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean because for me, I wasn't. It didn't bump

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<v Speaker 2>me at all.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I was watching it, I was like, hmm,

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if certain you know, certain people will feel

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<v Speaker 4>a certain type of way about this woman sort of

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, she's going to shoot him, but then

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<v Speaker 4>they end up making lave.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because that's what you're hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>It is high camp and I and I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>There is always a place in Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my that in that period.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that we I don't think that we

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<v Speaker 1>leave it. I think that we actually need more of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious to Yeah, I would like to know what

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<v Speaker 3>what our listeners think about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But the other thing is you're watching and I tell

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<v Speaker 4>you to come over have some flun and you're like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to have fun. I'm gonna get fat.

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<v Speaker 4>And I say it doesn't matter because you're a boy.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter if you're fat.

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<v Speaker 1>Feep that in two thousand and like six or seven,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we could leave it, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'll tell you right now if if I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>evenna say if when we do the Ugly Betty reboot,

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<v Speaker 4>Hill does not changing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, Hill is going to still be Also, he

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<v Speaker 1>has like a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know a teenager. You're going to be your age.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a baby, don't you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, what am I talking about? Hill?

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't have a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, I haven't seen the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh come on, you knew I didn't have a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well I was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so you guys, sorry, we're going off on a tangent.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did get pregnant during the shooting of the show,

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<v Speaker 4>not the not the first season.

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<v Speaker 3>We're still learning how to do this because we really

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<v Speaker 3>need to stay on.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we're saying, but no, Hill did not have a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>But but there weren't they thinking about it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm sure anyway, So okay, so the boys, So

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't wrong the boy being fat, we stays that

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<v Speaker 4>stays back there, that's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and by the way, in terms of the boy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the fact that I can yeah yeah, boys being fat?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter if you're you know, well, just her

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<v Speaker 4>sentiment about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we just start from like from the top, like

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<v Speaker 3>the first the first episode, Yeah, like like of just

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<v Speaker 3>like the first the first scene with with the model,

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<v Speaker 3>because one of my so one of my favorite and

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna play you know this, like I said before,

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna play this fun game of like what our

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<v Speaker 3>favorite lines are. And honestly, one of my favorite lines

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<v Speaker 3>from the pilot is.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Milan Dolce and Gabanna fall.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of my favorite brit lines because I honestly

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching it and I was like, this, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>is like me when you ask me what I'm wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so true, it is so you, it is it

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<v Speaker 2>and you and you say it to me the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even look at me and you tell and

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<v Speaker 2>you talked down to me like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, talking down is a huge No, that's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I talked down to you when when it's both there and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, because here I am in my like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sweatpants that my daughter doesn't like anymore that I'm wearing, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You know she has all the cool stuff, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, honest daughter an his daughter has all of

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<v Speaker 3>our cool stuff. I'm including mine and but I but

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<v Speaker 3>I think that like one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 3>also again in terms of of of one liners that

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<v Speaker 3>I really love are things that are recurring through our

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<v Speaker 3>show and through these characters, because I think that for example,

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<v Speaker 3>you know Michael Yury's kind of squinting that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that is what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like him him always sort of like scheming. He's

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<v Speaker 4>so brilliant he can do it with a look.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's probably the whole entire business with a look.

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<v Speaker 3>And Becky Newton's walk, right, Amanda's walk. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>the one, one of the things that I recognized upon

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<v Speaker 3>watching the pilot was that Hilda.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>That prevails by the way, I say that in my

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<v Speaker 4>everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, you were not acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Nov I was not.

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<v Speaker 1>You were not acting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true and yeah, and I find that to be

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<v Speaker 3>But I but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just tell you this, well, can I just

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<v Speaker 2>tell you?

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<v Speaker 4>So when my cousin, first of all, like the whole

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<v Speaker 4>I was watching the pilot, and all those necklaces that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wearing was where Hilda was wearing, were mine.

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<v Speaker 4>This was before Pat got me the Hilda which I'm

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<v Speaker 4>wearing right now, the Hilda name plate. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>like layers of gold necklaces, so I just brought all

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<v Speaker 4>of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>So those were all of mine.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're in the house. This is the first scene

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<v Speaker 4>with the family. You're a little little.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it was our first scene.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was the first scene we shot. Yeah, together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe that with the novel, Yes, with the

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<v Speaker 3>novella the Flaw and I'll Get Fat and and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and and but but you know, it's so It's what's

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<v Speaker 3>so awesome about that is that the the first scene

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<v Speaker 3>establishing the family dynamic, it was done so well to

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<v Speaker 3>establish like the dynamic within the Suarez family.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Even just like the sets, each and every one of

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<v Speaker 4>the sets was so specific to every and it was

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<v Speaker 4>so like I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but Daniel

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<v Speaker 4>Mead's apartment was so specific to Daniel me Our house

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<v Speaker 4>was so iconic and amazing with the phone on the

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<v Speaker 4>wall in the kitchen and yes you know, like that

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<v Speaker 4>sort of flowery wa and tablecloth and mode of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course mode like the most the tube.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I mean, and if you are tuning in

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<v Speaker 3>right now, this is actually the little blanket that was

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<v Speaker 3>on the uh couch. But yeah, I mean, it felt

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<v Speaker 3>everything felt like when I walked in, I remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being so young and like really not not understanding like

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<v Speaker 3>what we were about to first of all embark on,

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't know any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us even know. I think we were all sort

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<v Speaker 2>of no.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that anyone knew, but I just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really like understand like what it was. In fact, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>but but I think that the family dynamics were and

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<v Speaker 3>the ways in which the Suarez family was written just

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<v Speaker 3>from jump, from the first time that you see us,

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<v Speaker 3>the first time that you meet these characters, you already

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<v Speaker 3>get an automatic sense of what the vibe is. That's right,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know what I mean? Like you know who

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<v Speaker 3>all four of those people are within their family dynamic

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<v Speaker 3>within that first scene, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you know in the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's true because you were like you were so like

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to watch the novela, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>watch fashion TV? Right, And then you know, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I love that when they cut to the Fashion TV

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<v Speaker 4>of it all and the host do you remember him?

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<v Speaker 2>He's really really wonderful we all.

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<v Speaker 4>I think also throughout the season we had such amazing

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<v Speaker 4>fashion TV hosts. Yes, like I caught yes Fashion TV

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<v Speaker 4>Alec Mapa being one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But this the first guy. He had this like incredibly like.

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<v Speaker 1>He had I thought it was like a Transatlantic accent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like Dawn me. Yeah, it was very like.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like kind of Catherine Hepbernie like, it was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like where are you from.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved it so much and I I just applaud

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<v Speaker 4>that actor because.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was incredible and I love and I loved Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I loved all of those kind of you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was such a meta like concept to like, like so

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<v Speaker 3>many incredible actors that that came onto the show that

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<v Speaker 3>that did things that were they weren't like technically characters

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<v Speaker 3>in the show, but they were characters in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and that was the.

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<v Speaker 4>Scene too where that was the scene where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't saying that necessarily that's what you're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About necessarily necessarily you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I loved that I did that was a total

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<v Speaker 2>spur of the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Was when I I took a knife like our butter knife,

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<v Speaker 4>and I checked my lipsick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but this is the thing I think that that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's something in the pilot that you're gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were all figuring it out, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>such a freedom to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What is so But what is so strange, like or

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<v Speaker 3>in such a good way about our show is that

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<v Speaker 3>I think that, you know how sometimes you like watch

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<v Speaker 3>a first season and the second season it's a completely

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<v Speaker 3>different show. I think that there's something so awesome about

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that.

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<v Speaker 1>We all had.

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<v Speaker 3>Things about our characters that prevailed throughout the entire series, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that were established from the pilot, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought like we had the most amazing director

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<v Speaker 4>sort of at the helmet was his vision, Richard Shepherd.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, what a dream, what a king?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, like you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to Richard, you have to do our reboot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, well you have to also come onto the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But I mean, but it was all vibe his tone.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he really set the tone for us all

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<v Speaker 4>and was get He gave us so much freedom within

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<v Speaker 4>these characters too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right to just.

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<v Speaker 4>Sort of like bug out and find our I think, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so here's another thing. Sorry if I'm scooping ahead a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit. First of all, Kevin Sessman comes in. We

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<v Speaker 4>get to meet Walter Yesh. He's like one of my

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<v Speaker 4>I am so obsessed with him, I can't even beg And.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, can I just say that, like like now,

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<v Speaker 3>like watching television, it's it's like everyone copies Kevin Sessman,

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<v Speaker 3>that's so right, Like everyone copies Walter, that's so right.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm sorry, Like everyone copies that Kevin Sessman, but

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<v Speaker 3>like the awkward like boyfriend guy, Like it's like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Sessmon on ugly Betty.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, sorry, I hate to break it to you, Bene better.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so and again like what you were saying with

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<v Speaker 2>the car, like you immediately know who Walter is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when he comes.

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<v Speaker 4>In with that broke and the button doesn't work, but

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<v Speaker 4>a return, I mean, we just immediate. And the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that I was like that that Hilda was so psyched

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<v Speaker 4>that he was going to ask her to marry like this,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>That made me feel a little bad. Like Hilda's expectations

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<v Speaker 2>are so low.

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<v Speaker 5>Well you know, they get they start to she starts

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<v Speaker 5>to aspire, but at first she's like, no, you come

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<v Speaker 5>to work with at herbal Lux and you get married

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<v Speaker 5>at Erba.

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<v Speaker 1>Lux and herbal Lux name plate.

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<v Speaker 4>Necklace that's right, Herba Lux and yeah and so okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So Walter comes in, we get to meet him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's so fabulous, and then we you know, bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 3>He breaks up with her, evil breaks up with Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>The iconic Gina Gambara talk about there can be only.

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<v Speaker 3>One no really, Eva, please come on the pod. She

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<v Speaker 3>is no no. Gina Gambarro is one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>perfect characters ever.

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<v Speaker 2>She was my perfect foil. There could have been a.

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<v Speaker 3>Spinny is just and she is like she's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like like Hilda's evil twin. That's right, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Like right, like, but she's like Hilda's evil twin,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. And I and and they

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<v Speaker 3>are obviously whereas.

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<v Speaker 2>Where like Hilda has some guardrails, Gina has.

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<v Speaker 1>No none, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>We will get so much more into Gina, and I think.

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<v Speaker 3>That the you know, one of the one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that I like so much about watching the pilot

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<v Speaker 3>too is that there there's so much fun that we have.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so there's so much comedy. We're having such a blast.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you know, when Walter breaks up with Betty,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that's that's when we start feeling the fact that, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't just a cut dry comedy that's watching Like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's heart to this show in a really gigantic way,

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<v Speaker 3>and this woman feels things, and you know, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>not like it's not just like we're not just making jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And how Sylvia like crammed so much in without it

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<v Speaker 4>seeming like it was just too much exactly, and Richard

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<v Speaker 4>sort of handling Richard Sheppard the director, handling it all.

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<v Speaker 4>And man, that was a grueling pilot too, because back

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<v Speaker 4>to that first scene yep, when she's walking up the

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<v Speaker 4>stairs and and like and following that, that was I

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<v Speaker 4>think that was the last scene we shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the last one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think, so that was, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was what probably like three o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>She had probably already shot the front part of that

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<v Speaker 4>scene anyway. Just stuff like that was so we were

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<v Speaker 4>also but you know, we just were.

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<v Speaker 2>Like running on.

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<v Speaker 3>But I remember the energy, yes, that I felt, like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't necessarily recall as much like the

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<v Speaker 3>filming of the scenes as much as I recall the

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<v Speaker 3>energy that I felt around me, like everyone just was

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<v Speaker 3>so excited, like it was like and I just, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you never so little. I had never been on like

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<v Speaker 3>a you know, a set before. I didn't understand like what,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what the excitement about like filming anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, so then we walk in.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Oh, this is another question I have for you

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<v Speaker 4>about do we leave this? Is this something that we

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<v Speaker 4>leave in the day back?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I personally thought it was one of the funniest moments

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<v Speaker 4>and it's brilliant and it's it's it's Amanda, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's Becky's character Amanda. So when when she comes in

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<v Speaker 4>and she's like are you the before and Betty's like

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<v Speaker 4>what and she's like are.

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<v Speaker 2>You you know whatever whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>And then are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Amb I mean, like, could we do that now?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to? I say keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>I of course say keep it.

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<v Speaker 3>I say because I know for a fact that that

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<v Speaker 3>was a choice made by Becky Newton.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know what I mean and so and so.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in that way that I I say, like one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent keep it, not only because it's funny, but

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<v Speaker 3>because like she made a choice as an ad in

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, right like like and that I I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just can appreciate that as like an artist.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, because I was watching it, and I mean every

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.879
<v Speaker 4>single time I watch her deliver that line, that cracks

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<v Speaker 4>me up every time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she's like. And then the next the next

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<v Speaker 1>scene she's walking and she's walking like that, she is

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<v Speaker 1>exhaust like it's like she's exasperated. Like I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tired watching her walk, you know what I mean. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just but it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I know she's I mean, I kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Betty walking into the conference room. Okay, well, like,

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<v Speaker 3>so this is after we meet Amanda.

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<v Speaker 4>Well don't you remember we would say so right before

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 4>she walks and she gives herself the pep talk. Yep,

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<v Speaker 4>you are an attractive, intelligent, confident business woman. If I'm

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<v Speaker 4>saying that to myself every time I walk into audition

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<v Speaker 4>right now, like like today, like every day of my life, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to start. I do I need to start?

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<v Speaker 2>I say it all the time, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't ever say it, and maybe that's why I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>booking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Lies You are such a star, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But but then so she goes in, you know, she

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<v Speaker 3>she obviously bumps into the wall. Nice little pratfalling.

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.119
<v Speaker 4>We live the physical comedy of America. Fererra is not appreciated.

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 3>She does it so well and in that pilot it's everywhere,

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.959
<v Speaker 3>and she also like, hasn't done it since, which I

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 3>also think is like hilarious. I'm like, all right, Diva,

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 3>you can do this? Yeah, like, can someone throw you

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 3>off of like something? I don't know, I can't exactly

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 3>say what, but like, you know, do a pratfall for us?

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Come on, I bring us back, take us back, you

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 1>know what?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what can't stay in two thousand and six

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 3>or seven is America Ferrera doing physical comedy.

0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>We got to bring that to twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello that okay, so she walks in again. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 4>now we're going to be doing favorite lines because this whole.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and this is I think that this actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I know what you're going to say because

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 3>I know you too well. I know exactly what you're

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 3>going to say. Your favorite line is it's you all

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 3>the time you you do.

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm hilaciously, I'm halayious.

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm hilariously upset Mark I. And and again, one of

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 3>my favorite things Michael Yury like looking down like bug eye.

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, It's like it's not even

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 3>the squint, the way that Michael Ury is able to

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 3>use his eyes to his advantage, or it is unreal.

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 4>He's so I just he's so brilliant and and and

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 4>Mark is such an amazing character.

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I think we said that before.

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure he said it a million times, that he

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 4>wasn't even supposed to be a regular, but he's so

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 4>brilliant and so incredible and was such an easy like

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 4>he belonged there and and so they you know, I

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 4>think his character was supposed to sort of be like replaceable,

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 4>but he is not.

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:29.679
<v Speaker 3>Really yes, and he I mean, but that but that

0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 3>was I think that Vanessa, I believe, was the one

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 3>that was like.

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Him, like, no, we that's this, this is it, this

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>is it, and.

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.919
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and we're so we're so very excited to

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 3>like have both Michael and Becky on the pod. I really,

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I really, I just want to like talk to them

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 3>about just what their experience was, because they have said

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 3>such lovely things.

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 2>About us, I mean, and their experience is.

0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Like working with us, and I just feel like, you know,

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 3>as many people that that uh, that we will have

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 3>on the podcast or not, that we have such such

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 3>an amazing rapport, like such reverence for each other, you know,

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.680
<v Speaker 3>such right, but like I'm saying, like just such reverence

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 3>for each other's work, though you know what I mean,

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 3>And and and I and I remember in speaking of

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 3>in speaking of that, I feel like when we filmed

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 3>the scene that then became like kind of like the

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 3>color palette copied in in season four of me coming

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 3>out with the Camra meal tea with America.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay caramel, Yeah, I.

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't no denial, Well, I mean anyway that I was

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 3>so nervous to film that scene because I was like

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 3>such a big fan of America. Like it was like

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 3>it was like she was you know, we we said

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 3>this last episode, Like I said this last episode, like

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>that was Carmen, that's my sister heard the Traveling Pants,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Like this was not Betty Suarez. Like I didn't know

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 3>who Betty Suarez was right when we were making the pilot,

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. I didn't know who Justin was.

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know who Hilda was. I don't know who

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 3>any of the like us clowns were to be. And

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 3>and I was so nervous because there were so many lines.

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 3>I just remember being like.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, this is like a real scene.

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 3>No, Like I'm actually like I'm like I'm going to

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 3>watch this. Yeah, you know what I mean.

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like one flipping thing to say no.

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>He was eleven and we were all swirling about. I mean,

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>it was total chaos.

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 4>A lot of this stuff was like I think Terry

0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 4>told us, Terry Weinberg, our delicious and producer, she's sitting

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 4>right here, she's so gorge she's so fab But she

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 4>told us that there's that whole scene in the montage

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 4>where there's like a great Dane and it jumps up

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 4>on America and she has to walk. It's when Daniel's

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 4>trying to get her to quit. That was Gorilla TV

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 4>because they didn't have a permit, they didn't have anything.

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 4>They were just sort of like, we need to get

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 4>this shot, and we just shot it. That's the other

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 4>thing about shooting in New York too, or shooting, you know, shooting.

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.959
<v Speaker 1>You do it, you can't about it.

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And that was and that was, you know, our fearless director.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>We're getting the shot.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 3>And Terry also told us that the photo shoot scene

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.439
<v Speaker 3>where Betty quits yes was the first that was the

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 3>first thing she shoot to day.

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>That was her first scene of ever shooting of anything.

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine? And she had to be wild.

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I know I can't either, because I remember talking to

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 4>her about it. She was like, oh that outfit, I

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 4>can't believe it, you know everything, and she looked fabulous.

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>But that is so extraordinary.

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 3>But here's you know what though, A I will bring

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 3>this up is that you know, of course she did

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 3>look fabulous. But let's talk about do we leave something

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and six?

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 3>What about body about like body dysmorphia or or like

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 3>body standards, right, like what do we what did we

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 3>consider to be beautiful in two thousand and six?

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Like there were no sort of like it

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 2>was just all stick.

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.640
<v Speaker 3>There was like I'm sorry, there was no such thing

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 3>as body positivity in two thousand and no, like absolutely

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 3>not no semblance of it. So looking at it now

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 3>really like watching the episode and seeing the fact that

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 3>everyone's like laughing at laughing at America like like essentially

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 3>like laughing at Betty, like calling her fat essentially, I'm like,

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 3>she looks just fabs love she looks lovely. I don't

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 3>really understand what the problem is. I think that there's

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 3>something that's really interesting about about that that it's like, uh,

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, we we on this podcast as well, when

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I have this kind of cultural like conversation and and

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 3>and and make cultural commentary of what do we leave there?

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 3>But I think that maybe that this is one of

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 3>the rare times when we can say, like, wow, we've

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 3>actually come up a long way regarding regarding the ways

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 3>in which we view women's bodies. That's right, you know

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 3>what I mean?

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So she's hillaciously upset.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 4>Purge this from memory, please, that's that she goes on.

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>We get to meet Christina Ashley Jensen.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>For president, like for the Empress of the universe. Yo,

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>she should run everything.

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 3>I swear to God, Ashley Jensen should be president of

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 3>the world.

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 6>The world.

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I no, no, no, I'm telling you guys, I'm starting

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 3>to gofund me.

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Actually En runs the world.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>We hang with her a lot, Mark and I. We

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>will travel over oceans to see that one.

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>We have in fat. We have in fat, even though

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I did get food poisonous.

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Well that's another story for another time.

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 4>But then I do remember we meet I remember those

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 4>two actresses what were they called, Zelda and Nancy come

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 4>in and I think that had we stayed in New York,

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 4>Zelda and Nancy, because remember there was the Bizarro version

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 4>of Sex and the City.

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I would have loved to have seen Christina

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 3>like our little posse.

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly, like had because we went back and shot

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 4>the rest of us the season in LA and those

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.959
<v Speaker 4>were two New York, fabulous New York actresses. Okay, so

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 4>then we go into a montage. I still think we

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 4>give the best. Oh you know what I did notice

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 4>on the montage is in Times Square the big giant

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 4>billboard of Diddy well choked.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Welp, we didn't have we have a permit for her

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 3>to walk a dog across the streets, so I mean

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>we couldn't control the Times Square billboards.

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>We leave that into thousand.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 3>No, no, we're leaving that. No, don't look at that.

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Don't look at that, don't look at it. Look over there.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I know that's really it's like, sorry.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>No, no, leave that, leave that. We'll leave it. Okay, fine,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, why are you even bringing it up?

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I just had to because leave it over there.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I know everybody who's watching the pilot saw that. They

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, oh, I know it. Okay.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 4>So then we go back anyway, so then we're at Daniels.

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll get it more into that later. You guys, let

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>us know.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a bonus episode.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 4>So then we're back at right where Daniel's apartment his

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 4>loft loft.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know that I don't live for an open concert. Yeah,

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>well your Dumbo loft when it kind of gave when

0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 3>we lived in New York when we were filming season three,

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that's true.

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It was that was so nice.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So anyway, Amanda there looking like a snack.

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 3>You know that I love a trench coat with lingerie underneath.

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 4>And I remember her sweating that she was so nervous

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 4>and so embarrassed, which.

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 3>Is also like again, like, I think that one of

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the main things that we're going to talk about while

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 3>we're making this podcast is the ways in which the

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 3>women on this television program thought about their bodies. Oh,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 3>because of the ways in which we were like culturally

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and six to twenty ten, we have

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>come you know, we've regressed culturally in a lot of ways.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>But guess what, we do.

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily talk about women's bodies in the same ways

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 3>that we did in two thousand and six. Becky Newton,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 3>she was sweating putting on a pair a broad and

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>a pair of swear.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't.

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I have to ask her because I bet you she's

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 4>psych to have that now because she looked like a like.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>A that emerald green lace and green.

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, and then the little like the little

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>flash at the.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>End and she said by, she said, she said by.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And then here comes the other one. What do you

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 2>call what a red roosters on the.

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that was her codeword.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 3>mean Becky Newton, Yeah, I mean all like every single

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 3>woman on this on this television show had a perfect body.

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes if you, I mean you beat yourself up about

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 3>your body, and you did at the time, by the way,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I know, and like when you watch the pilot again,

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 3>you're like, are you like she was snatched Boots?

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 4>That's boots nice big, but yeah, I loved it. The

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 4>other thing was Gina Grashawn coming in. I thought, first

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 4>of all, she her character so Bananas is definitely supposed

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 4>to be sort of like a like a done, but

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 4>she she does with everything completely makes it her own.

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't know like what like what accent it was,

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 4>but it was like one that I.

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Wa europea period.

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 2>It was He's freaking joke.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Faking.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>That's an iconic line. He's freaking Joe.

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 3>She was kind of It's kind of giving Milania, isn't

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 3>it giving?

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>It's giving Malania her making.

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>A dog could Millennia wishes.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>When Gina Gershon making out with the dog, it was

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 3>so the dog's tongue fully directly in her mouth. It

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 3>was so, And listen, I could commit to my craft.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>A dog's tongue is not going in my mouth, no

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 3>one being so for real, know you are, but.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure one of my dogs has had their

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 2>tongue in your mouth.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Probably Maggie.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying people, he talks a good game.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't make that decision on my own choice

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that I made.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Maggie has no boundaries.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>That's my dog.

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So then wait, so when does it cut?

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 4>When do we When do we figure out that Vanessa

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:25.399
<v Speaker 4>and Frenchie are have like done this all on their

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 4>own and we see Vanessa in bed with him.

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's when we discover that they're hooking up.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 4>And did you know that that, according to our delightful Terry,

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 4>was Vanessa's first thing that she ever shot.

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 3>You know what between America and Latex for the first time,

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 3>and Vanessa in bed making out with friend, making out

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 3>with frenchiepoo. I mean, if that doesn't set the tone

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>for what our showing.

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I believed every second of it.

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe anything that Vanessa Williams does. Are you

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>kidding me? What are you talking about? That's right, it's

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>all about.

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then she should be Empress of the universe along.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 3>With Ashley Jensen is like prime minister and like Vanessa's

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 3>like the queen. That's right, you know what I mean,

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 3>like a like a really gorgeous figurehead.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Love this, I love everything about it. You guys, we

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 2>are going.

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 3>To I would love to see Vanessa in a crown.

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Actually doesn't want to wear a crown.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I actually don't want to wear a crowd exactly. Actually

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>likes a good suit made by Vivian Westwood.

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Correct, that's what happens. She's an MP or a prime minister. Okay, anyway, we.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Solve the world's problem.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>So then.

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so so this is freaking joke, right, and and

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 4>he gets fired he's oh, Bradford me doing pilates iconic.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Period, who was doing pilates back then?

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>By the way, Alan Dale. Good for you, because I mean, no, two.

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Takes of me on a on a Reformer. You're not

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 3>that queen we're gonna have I don't think that I

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 3>could do it.

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>When he said my leg is cramping? Was that an improv?

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Or was that like? I don't know. We need to

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>talk to him. We need to speak to him.

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>How many of these are the questions we want to know?

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 3>I would be hysterical crying if I had to do

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 3>more than two takes Reformer.

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 4>I would be hysterical laughing at you doing two takes.

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure you would.

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Guess what I could do. I could do all day

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 4>on a Pilate's Reformer.

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 6>Good.

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>You know what we should do it?

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 3>We should maybe do it as a challenge, maybe maybe

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:35.919
<v Speaker 3>a little like a Patreon bonus episode. See how many

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 3>times that on A can lift your leg up on

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 3>a Reformer?

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I could do it a lot, trust and believe I'm old.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>The girl's got to stay in shape.

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm want to see how many times I'd like to

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>count I could do it. Listen how many times?

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Take care of myself? When I tell you, everybody out there, I.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Think you can do it. Twenty times. Yes, how many?

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>What do you think what do you think is the

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 3>most left.

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 1>On the reformer? Back and forth though, oh, twenty.

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Would be nothing.

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Nothing? I could do I could do.

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 3>fIF well, no, but Terry Weinberg is sitting in the

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 3>room and and no she's Harry doesn't count because like

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Terry can do like seven thousand.

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, fine, I could do fifteen. All right, look

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>back to the business at hand. We don't have to

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 2>talk about my extreme workout session, which I do her

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>hot bod, my hot BD.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.320
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so then we oh, so then Daniel comes through

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 4>and this is so this is what this is when

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, oh.

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>This show is different. Right, Daniel comes to the house,

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>he gets she reads his beads. Yes, she tells him

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>what's up?

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm on the phone with the crappy HMO. Like

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 4>we're dealing with real issues right right now, you know

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And it's not a finger wag and

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 4>it's not a you know or anything like that.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like this is the reality of most people, bro,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and two to again to to Silvio's credit, our

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 4>writer and our head writer and you know, brilliant man

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 4>and to Richard Sheppard, Daniel is also comes with his

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 4>own sort of baggage.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 3>No, he knows that he know, he knows that he

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 3>fucked up like and and and he knows that he

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 3>did her dirty in like such a nasty and hideous way.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 3>And I think that, like, you know, the I think

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>that it's it's great that like we're talking about like

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 3>especially in the pilot talking about HMO, we're talking about

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 3>insurance paying what a day to day.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Paying rent, like I have to help my family pay

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>the rent, right, you know, I'm not you know, doing this.

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But he comes through with, look, I lost a brother,

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, and so you.

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Immediately he is extremely sympathetic. And that's such a credit

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 3>to Silvio and to end to the way that Eric

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe has played it.

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 4>I think Eric really could have come off as such

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.439
<v Speaker 4>a dude brow and such a.

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Douche like weird finance bro.

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 4>And there's such a sensitivity to him really like in

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 4>real life too, he had just had a baby, like

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, I think Eric just really like we don't

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 4>give him enough props, but he just he did such

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful job with that character because he really could

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 4>have been a you know, a two dimensional, just douche

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 4>and he really wasn't cutting dry stereotype rich white dude bullshit.

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>He just wasn't. He's just kind of felt for him.

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 3>But there was also like there was there is such

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.399
<v Speaker 3>dimension to Daniel me, you know. And and as we

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 3>continue on talking about the first season, I mean, the

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 3>ways in which Betty and Daniel's relationship like grow like

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 3>ebbs and flows and grows and really flourishes is so

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.399
<v Speaker 3>I feel like was and and if you're if you're

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 3>only watching the show for the first time right now,

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 3>you know that there's such such a beautiful friendship, like

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 3>they're just they're just really really like they're I don't know,

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say buddy, because I feel like

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 3>that that is I don't know, I feel like, but.

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I think there's also something for all of us to

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 4>learn from that too, is that you know, that's the

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 4>ultimate sort of like those two worlds colliding. And we

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 4>did we on this show, and by we, I mean

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 4>Terry and Silvio and Ben and like all of the

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 4>people behind the Salma, everybody who's behind the show really

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 4>understood that, like these two worlds can which is what

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 4>we're really missing in today's world is that there are

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 4>there is space and room for all of us to exist,

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 4>and so and we just and to hear one another

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 4>and to like understand each other's point of.

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 3>View, and also to be able to to uh to

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 3>questions and happen and to have difficult conversations and and

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.879
<v Speaker 3>and I think that that is what Daniel and Betty do.

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 3>That's right at the end of this episode when he

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 3>does come to the house, is that they do, in

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 3>fact have a very difficult conversation where he does where

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 3>he does owe her an apology, but she also doesn't

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 3>have text about what he's been through. That's right, and

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 3>so when she gets that context, it's also kind of

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 3>really informative for her. You know that he isn't just

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 3>some like fuck off, like dude, you know what I mean.

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 4>Like and then here comes the Prime Minister ash Christina,

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 4>who saves the day because she found Betty's idea for

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 4>the new ad campaign because Gina Garson's character hated the

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 4>first one, and so.

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Christina ends up putting that on Daniel's desk.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah.

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 4>They make it, They pitch the idea. Jeina Gershon's character

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 4>loves it. My favorite thing. Also about Jena Garston putting

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 4>the cigarette on the table.

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Why does she say at the end, make sure one

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:44.760
<v Speaker 3>of them is by ding each other.

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 4>And she puts her cigarette out of it, and all

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 4>the assistants were smoking indoors.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's something that we can also leave in two thousands.

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I suppose so.

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, well but I did love it.

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 4>But I I think that was her idea too, to

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 4>put the cigarette on you think.

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was. I can't imagine that that's on.

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.240
<v Speaker 2>A question I'm going to ask her.

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 4>So then we end up with the person's surgery where

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Vanessa goes to see the serious persons woman. We don't

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 4>know who it is. Well, we're assuming it's Faye, right Summers, right,

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 4>But well we shall see.

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>What we we we in fact shall see.

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 3>But what I will say too about the uh the

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Betty pitch for the for the Fabia cosmetics thing is

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:42.800
<v Speaker 3>is another is another way that we are talking about

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 3>like women in such a reverence like reference like reverential

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 3>way on this show. Is that like you know, like

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 3>talking about motherhood, talking about being a daughter, talking about

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 3>like like all of these things that I just think

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 3>that are just so gosh, we just I don't know,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 3>like I'm not even I think that's.

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 4>Something that we can actually bring into twenty twenty five, right,

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 4>I think that was something six.

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>That we can that we actually should be bringing back.

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 4>Is that sort of sense of family and that sort

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 4>of sense of like it is the little things that matter?

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 4>Because wasn't that that was the vibe of the pitch, right?

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 4>It's the little things, yes, little memories that really matter

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 4>the most.

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, when we said that we were going to

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 3>try to have richurch Epherd on the pod, we don't.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Try on this pod.

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>We make things happen.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 4>We are doers and we have made it happen. You're

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 4>welcome people.

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 3>This is the visionary director behind the pilot of Ugly Betties.

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>This is creating the tone, creating the entire world. I mean,

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 3>this is that. This is the the.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 4>Reason we have the tube, the reason we have the

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 4>vibe yes that we had yes was because of this man,

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 4>the king the icon Richard Cheer introduction.

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I should always get that into actually

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 6>deserve it. You guys just travel with me.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 4>Yes, not only that, you can just sort of travel

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 4>with this clip.

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Carry it along.

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 3>That's right, just show it to anyone who asked, Man,

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 3>thank you so much for doing this.

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 6>More excited to talk about this shows.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so amazing. It's so amazing that I don't think

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I've seen you in well.

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>A billion years.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 6>A billion years.

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, and there's so much to talk about.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 4>But I also I think what you need to know

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 4>going in to this sort of thing is that markin

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Deltado has never watched the show. So we're doing the

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 4>recap with him, and it's as it's his first time

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 4>watching Wow.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, And I've seen I've seen the pilot, I've

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 3>seen the episode that that you do, yes, and I've

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:03.919
<v Speaker 3>seen the very last So every Shady three I must

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 3>be strange, right, It's weird because I feel like every uh,

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 3>every time I look at myself on screen, I'm like,

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 3>it's just so far away now, Like, especially being in

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.799
<v Speaker 3>the first season, I think it might get a little

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 3>weird if we, like you know, end up doing like

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 3>the fourth season where it doesn't feel as far away.

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>But this is like a little kid, right, and so

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:27.760
<v Speaker 1>it changes.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Even just in the four seasons that we did, you

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 4>changed so dramatically from that a little eleven year old.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 6>It's also kind of a gift that you didn't see

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 6>it in a way because now you get to like

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 6>experience it. Yeah, and and like I'm sure your mind

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 6>is blown by a lot of time.

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm really you know, it turns out every every every

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 3>time that like we've talked about it, even just you know,

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 3>off the mic right is just being like, Wow, this

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 3>is a really good program.

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 5>Actually really likes I like this.

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 6>It's not bad.

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 3>But I just want to like, you know, you really

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 3>did set like the tone for what the show ended

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 3>up becoming. And I just feel like we're just so

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 3>excited to.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Talk to you, honestly so much. But what did you

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:18.800
<v Speaker 1>How did you get involved?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, So I had done the very first TV pilot

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 6>I did was Criminal Minds, which couldn't be more the

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 6>opposite of Ugly Betty. But I had also made this movie,

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 6>The Matatorous, And so I had done Criminal Minds, and

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 6>I I signed a deal and they were trying to

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 6>figure out what the next pilot I would do. And

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 6>I remember so distinctly because I got sent six scripts

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 6>and my agent at the time said, do any of

0:47:53.400 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 6>them except Ugly bet No, And and I read all

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 6>of them and I'm like, but ugly, Betty's the best

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 6>one by like by leaps inbound, like it's never going

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 6>to get picked up. They the head of the network

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 6>doesn't like it, you know, all of this stuff, and

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:14.919
<v Speaker 6>it was like this hard, and so they were trying

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 6>to get me to do this other product that did

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:18.840
<v Speaker 6>end up getting picked up and ran for a season,

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.359
<v Speaker 6>and I was sort of they were getting a lot

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.760
<v Speaker 6>of pressure to do this other one with a big producer,

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, but I just this is it's like.

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 6>And then I spoke to Terry and I spoke to

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 6>Sylvia and Sema and they were I was like, oh,

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 6>you guys, this is the show. This is the show.

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 6>And I could see it so clearly, you know, I

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 6>could see the show just had so much possibility because

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 6>it had like real heart, but it also was funny,

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 6>and it had two different worlds, the world of the

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 6>office and the world of the home, and it seemed like, hey,

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 6>this is a And I was also like, I'd like

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 6>to see this show to watch. But you know, as

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.879
<v Speaker 6>you guys, I'm sure have talked about the original show

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 6>that this is based on had like a supermodel playing Betty,

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, but wearing glasses and so she would be

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 6>not attractive, you know, or whatever. And as soon as

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 6>I heard and America was already attached when I came on,

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 6>And as soon as I had that, I was like,

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 6>oh no, that's this is the only way that because

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 6>this is this is now there's a real person, you know,

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 6>and and and so it just became it kind of

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 6>became inevitable in a way, and Sylvio, Sylvia and I

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:44.879
<v Speaker 6>just Sylvio and I just saw I to eye on

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 6>what kind of show and what tone because.

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Tone is everything to this.

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 6>Show and it was not like anything else on TV

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.920
<v Speaker 6>because there was a camp element.

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, this, it's so campy,

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's.

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 6>There's a heart element like that combination was just not

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.359
<v Speaker 6>around at the time, and so or since Sylvia and

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 6>I specifically just I remember very like I remember sitting

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 6>at the Farmer's Market starting to go through the script

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 6>and we were both like making each other laugh and

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 6>every time I asked a question, and I felt like

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 6>he sees the same show. And that made it so

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.880
<v Speaker 6>much easier in a way because we were able to

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.240
<v Speaker 6>you know, going into casting, going into design of the show,

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 6>going into you know, every possible thing. So well, we'll

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 6>get into many things. But but you know, when you're

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 6>doing a pilot, you're not only casting your cast, but

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 6>you're casting the look of the show.

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the look of the show is so iconic,

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>it's such a.

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Huge and that somehow we talked about with uh Mark,

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 3>with Mark Worthington about the design of you know, these

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 3>two disparate worlds, the Mode Offices and the Suarez Home,

0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 3>and and that was one of the things that he

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:04.799
<v Speaker 3>said was kind of towing the line between fantasy and reality,

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.879
<v Speaker 3>especially in obviously in the Mode Offices, you know, and.

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 6>What we wanted I was just what I didn't want

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.720
<v Speaker 6>was to have the Mode Offices be this like bright,

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 6>amazing place and then we would get back to the

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 6>house and it would be sort of like, ah, that's

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 6>the house. It wants to be at the house. I

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 6>was like, if the house doesn't work, it doesn't work,

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 6>then it's an office comedy.

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>And also like how many Latinos do you know their

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 2>house is like right.

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Me?

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 6>But I was like, let's make a house that we

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:41.799
<v Speaker 6>that we want to spend as much time in the

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 6>house as we want to spend. So that was like

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 6>but you know, it can't be cartoonish. We have to

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.480
<v Speaker 6>figure way to kick color and light and you know,

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.360
<v Speaker 6>and when you're doing a pilot, you're on practical locations.

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.880
<v Speaker 6>You're not building any sets. So we were looking for

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:02.480
<v Speaker 6>this mode office for weeks because every office was just

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 6>an office, and so Mark and I and and we

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 6>would just sit there going, what can we do to

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 6>make this office interesting? Da? Da? And we were driving

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 6>locations people nuts, you know, nuts, And finally we walked

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 6>into this office downtown and it was It had the

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 6>orange things, it had everything that makes that set incredible

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 6>was there. And I remember sitting there with the DP

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 6>Vanya and myself and and and Mark and we were

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 6>like finally and like the Locations guy started like tearing

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.319
<v Speaker 6>up because he's like he was like ready to kill

0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 6>kill himself, kill me, take out everyone. He was so frustrated.

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 6>But we finally I was like, this is it, this

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 6>is this is it. And I remember, like Silvio saw,

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.640
<v Speaker 6>we couldn't have been happier. And I remember being in

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:59.320
<v Speaker 6>the van driving feeling great and then getting a phone

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 6>call basically saying we can't afford this, we cannot afford it.

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.960
<v Speaker 6>It was just this and we all sat in this

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 6>car and this depression. It was because it wasn't like

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 6>we had a backup, right, and we've been looking everywhere.

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 6>So now we're like to start. We're trying to like

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.800
<v Speaker 6>lift ourselves up and be like, well this on our office.

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 6>We could do that, we could paint the wall. But

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 6>we we we got it. We just fadway. We fought

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 6>for a lot of things like this was a situation.

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 6>Terry and Ben and Sylvia and myself and someone we

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 6>were united and trying to make this the best pilot

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 6>because honestly, we knew it was a risk. We knew

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:41.800
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't a slam dunk. We knew the head of

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.839
<v Speaker 6>the network didn't love the idea. So we're like, we

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 6>just have to be the best.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 2>We're the best they exact. I mean, I feel like

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.120
<v Speaker 2>that's such a through line of the show.

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 4>First of all, the fact that we got against all odds,

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 4>the people like you, people like you, people like Worthington

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 4>who were sort of advice. Everybody said like, oh no, no, no,

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 4>don't do this, don't do this, because Worthington had the

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:04.360
<v Speaker 4>same sort of story.

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:10.439
<v Speaker 2>It was like, I don't like it was the story, and.

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 4>It was the whatever it was about this show in

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 4>particular that we were able to get you, you.

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean, that you were the one and you.

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 6>Find I think I've told you this thing about your audition. Hell,

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.719
<v Speaker 6>but this is one of those things. This is like

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 6>I just got chills thinking about it. Because it was

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 6>a time when people were auditioning live, right, so it

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 6>wasn't on tape. It was like two people would come

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.879
<v Speaker 6>into like a theater. It was such a weird thing

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.320
<v Speaker 6>for television, but it was like a little mini theater.

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.960
<v Speaker 6>And you know, it was already a lot of issues

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 6>with the head of the network, who like, if he

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 6>was in a bad mood, would not accept anyone, and

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 6>if he was in a good mood, he'd take anyone.

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 6>So it was like we were always like, yeah, can

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.400
<v Speaker 6>we bring the people we like in today? And they're like,

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 6>yes today. And we had to bring in two people

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 6>for every part because they wanted to be able to

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 6>make a choice. But by bringing to people, we had

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:07.320
<v Speaker 6>to accept that maybe our top choice wasn't going to

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 6>be their top choice. And if you're in a good situation,

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 6>you can make arguments for and usually get what you want.

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 6>But it wasn't a guarantee, and so we had to

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 6>bring in two people. And there were two people we

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 6>brought in, and you were the ringer. You were not

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:22.759
<v Speaker 6>our choice. You were our second choice. Serious, hold on,

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna this is gonna make you happy, though. And

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.919
<v Speaker 6>you came in and you gave the greatest audition ever

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 6>seen in my life, in my life, in my life.

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, because I had been talking to Silvia,

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 6>like we can't we just she can't be it. We

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.279
<v Speaker 6>have to use it. This other girls, she is it.

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 6>This is team. You came in and you didn't just

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 6>win the part, you own the part. And it was like,

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.440
<v Speaker 6>oh well we're idiots and she's got it. And it

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:53.800
<v Speaker 6>was like inanimates. It was like done. But it was

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 6>one of those great situations where like we were wrong.

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, my heart is literally pound.

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. I never did I never did that.

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>The theater thing, no, because you were in you were

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 2>back east.

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:12.439
<v Speaker 1>This was all in L A L. This was who

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 1>did I go up against.

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I love to hear that.

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 1>That is incredible, but it's true. I mean, you're you.

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we were all meant to be.

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 6>It was a very It was very much that. And

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:29.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, this was a This pilot had that shining

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 6>bright light of luck. Not every pilot, but it was

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 6>just the right group of people at the right time.

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, so many things that are iconic with the

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 6>show just almost just didn't happen, like like that the set,

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 6>the set of Mode almost didn't happen. Betty's glasses, I mean,

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 6>we could not find those glasses.

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Tell this, Tell this, because I don't think we've told

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>this yet.

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 6>We took the glasses off our costume designer cat Field

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 6>and by onto America fair like three days before we shot.

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.840
<v Speaker 6>I remember being like, no, that's it, sorry, we're taking

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:10.320
<v Speaker 6>your classes. Like it was like one of those things

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 6>like crazy. Yeah. And you know, I just think that

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 6>sometimes what goes wrong is that people don't aren't communicating

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 6>the city. They want different shows and they don't know

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.439
<v Speaker 6>how to communicate it. And this was a case where

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 6>if you got what this was and you were part

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 6>of this team, did you understood it, understood it tonally,

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:34.520
<v Speaker 6>you understood it cast wise, and you know, we got

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 6>actors who could be funny but also found the reality

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 6>and the heart to it. Those things were incredibly important.

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I totally agree.

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's also I mean, it's just such a

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 3>testament to the kind of alchemy of the show is

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 3>that we all are still extremely close.

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like my best friend, I.

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Mean so and all of us are still so very much.

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, like, but I think that that also lends

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 3>itself to like when you're you know, kind of everyone

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 3>being on the same page in terms of creating this world.

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 6>And I just listen, it touched it changed television. So

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.040
<v Speaker 6>to be part of anything that changes the culture and

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 6>changes like, it's you know, we've everyone's done other stuff

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 6>and had great experiences during other stuff, but this was

0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 6>not only well, this was a success which never hurts

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 6>and fun, but also changed the culture and in a

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:33.880
<v Speaker 6>great way. And to be part of that was you know,

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 6>really cool.

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Did you know that that was going to happen? Like,

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 4>could you sense that this was sort of going to

0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 4>be the iconic thing that it was. I mean, there

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 4>had never been a lead of a Latin female lead,

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 4>little tiny little thing too like to your point, not

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 4>a supermodel, not this like you know, you know, just

0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 4>this sort of incredible actress who was just a person

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 4>leading just.

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 6>You know, the show doesn't work without America no matter

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 6>what we do. She was so brilliant from the first second,

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:16.959
<v Speaker 6>and seeing her in wardrobe with the braces and the

0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 6>thing and the glass, I was like, and then she'd

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 6>smile and You're like, oh my god, I love you.

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:25.440
<v Speaker 6>I love you.

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.560
<v Speaker 6>And I have to say this, this sounds ridiculous in retrospect,

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 6>but the more I heard that the head of the

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 6>network hated the show, the more I'm like, we're onto something.

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 6>That's because it's not We've done enough TV, and we've

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:41.920
<v Speaker 6>done enough movies and we've done enough stuff that we

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<v Speaker 6>know when something's working and not working, and this is working.

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<v Speaker 6>So we just have to prove it to you. And

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 6>we did, you know we from the first test of

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 6>the edited show on, it was clear audiences just loved it,

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean that first test of the edit.

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<v Speaker 6>They test shows, right, so they took I don't know

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:01.880
<v Speaker 6>if you remember this what I did. They tested the

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<v Speaker 6>show when we watched this audience watch it secretly through

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<v Speaker 6>two way mirrors, and they just loved it. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to pick the show up, even if they

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<v Speaker 6>don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if in spite of themselves correct.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a thing that Mark Worthington talked a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about it making sort of that New York the vibe

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<v Speaker 4>of the New York of it all being such a

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<v Speaker 4>part of the show. I mean, what was that like

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<v Speaker 4>for you? Had you been able to shoot in New

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<v Speaker 4>York like that before?

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<v Speaker 6>Shooting in New York is so fun. It is just

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<v Speaker 6>a crazy city and so like you get a huge

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<v Speaker 6>amount of energy.

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<v Speaker 4>Just didn't you have some sort of like gorilla moments

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<v Speaker 4>too where it was like, we don't get we don't

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<v Speaker 4>have a permit, We're just gonna fucking shoot it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that whole sequence for Betty is like walking the

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<v Speaker 6>Dog in Times. Squeeze montage is one of the best,

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<v Speaker 6>which they, by the way, stole completely in Devil Wear's

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<v Speaker 6>product complex literally to her walking the Dog. I'm like

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<v Speaker 6>that they literally stolen like less than a year after

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<v Speaker 6>our pilot. But that's only a compliment. But uh, except

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<v Speaker 6>I would you know, a big thank you? We did

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<v Speaker 6>we just we just you know, listen, it wasn't we

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<v Speaker 6>were we were there. There's a camera, there's thousands of

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<v Speaker 6>extras for free.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 6>You have an actor that no one really recognizes, so

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<v Speaker 6>like you could just I'm like cross the street and

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<v Speaker 6>like boom, and like someone cares. But by the time

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<v Speaker 6>they realized the care, I like that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>feel like that's a good, good energy of New York City.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, listen, there's things that matter, like where

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<v Speaker 6>Betty's house was. I needed an elevated train so that

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to see the elevated train. And this was

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<v Speaker 6>a big another one where the locations guy was going

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<v Speaker 6>to go nuts. I'm like, no, there's a part of

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<v Speaker 6>Queens that this and and this type of house that

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<v Speaker 6>would be there, and and it feels it's not too big,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not too small. It is it's the home of

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<v Speaker 6>people who are working, people who you know, And it

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<v Speaker 6>was that was like another one where we couldn't find it,

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<v Speaker 6>or they find the train but the wrong house, and

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<v Speaker 6>find the right house but no train, and we finally

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<v Speaker 6>found that so perfect, you know, and then of course

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<v Speaker 6>you're waiting for the train. That's like because you want

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<v Speaker 6>to get the shot of the train, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 6>you send a p a up to the next stop

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<v Speaker 6>and they're like, there's a.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean one of the most one of the one

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<v Speaker 3>of my greatest memories from from the Pilot is shooting

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<v Speaker 3>that scene with Betty on the stoop with that because

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<v Speaker 3>they you know, they're so good.

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<v Speaker 6>Had you done acting before?

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<v Speaker 1>Hardly? I mean not how did we find you? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, like Mike, you did.

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<v Speaker 2>It like you did the Chappelle Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Like I I'd been on a few things in

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<v Speaker 6>this level that not all children have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I wish that I wish that I could, uh

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<v Speaker 3>which I could locate that right now, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. But they but then I remember in the

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<v Speaker 3>finale episode, like they read they redid it, like with

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<v Speaker 3>the same colors.

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<v Speaker 1>That we were wearing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I remember being so nervous that day

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<v Speaker 3>because it was it was the most words that I had,

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<v Speaker 3>like what was was was speaking in the episode, And

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<v Speaker 3>I just have such a vivid memory of like recalling

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<v Speaker 3>how supportive you were, impatient you were in America as well,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think that now as as as a grown man,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know that I would have the

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<v Speaker 3>patience for for children in the same way that that

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<v Speaker 3>that you did. And I just felt like just so great.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I would just say, like when you're dealing

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<v Speaker 6>with a kid who's who's doing a good job, Like

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<v Speaker 6>being patient is the smart thing to do, Like you're

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<v Speaker 6>doing a good job if you were, if it was,

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<v Speaker 6>if you weren't right for that part, then we had

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<v Speaker 6>miscast you right because a kid is a kid, right,

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<v Speaker 6>But you knew your lines, you you understood what the

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<v Speaker 6>scenes are about. You were trying to do it correctly,

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<v Speaker 6>and you were great. So like whatever, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like these are the good things, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I've on sets where the kid is not great, or

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<v Speaker 6>there are two nervous that can't do it and that

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<v Speaker 6>or there's too much of a kid actor out of

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<v Speaker 6>their minds and a lot of that. Then is it's

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<v Speaker 6>my fault I've cast the wrong kid, you know what

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<v Speaker 6>I mean? Like I think, you know, sometimes when the

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<v Speaker 6>scene doesn't work, everyone's like, what's wrong with this? The

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<v Speaker 6>writing and the scene doesn't work. I'm like, the set

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't work right, something else, something else doesn't work. But

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<v Speaker 6>the writing we know works, but they can't. There's no

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<v Speaker 6>way they both sit on this couch and we've only

1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:09.280
<v Speaker 6>offered them this couch to sit on, and they like

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<v Speaker 6>so a lot of like a lot of work of

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<v Speaker 6>directing is thinking about those things, like what is going

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<v Speaker 6>to make this scene work on every level. I'm a

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<v Speaker 6>big fan of, like make sure the guy who's playing

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<v Speaker 6>the waiter who's putting down the plate of food is

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<v Speaker 6>looks like he'd be in a waiter in the restaurant

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<v Speaker 6>that they're exactly because if they don't, then the actor

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<v Speaker 6>is automatically sensing bullshit. And can I say.

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<v Speaker 3>That are there are no rules.

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<v Speaker 2>To that point? I mean, we had a huge cast and.

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<v Speaker 4>The way that I feel like we spoke about this

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the recap of the pilot, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew who each character was at.

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<v Speaker 4>The pilot, and I don't think I've ever watched a

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<v Speaker 4>pilot before since that that's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every single one of us had a moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Where it was like I know this person, but we

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<v Speaker 4>were so that person is fully real.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the table reads, yeah, like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like that even before you know the glasses

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<v Speaker 3>and the braces and all of that and all of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever are like accoutrement, was like before you

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<v Speaker 3>were dressed like Hilda, it was very clear that like

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<v Speaker 3>that's who you were.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like you did one of the table reads

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<v Speaker 1>in a white sun dressed darling.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was it was like it was undeniable, like

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<v Speaker 3>who these people were.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, but I think I mean, was that difficult because

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<v Speaker 4>it was such a huge cast and each one of

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<v Speaker 4>us did have sort of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Was a big cast, and it was a talented, talented cast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>Silvio script, you know, which had been developed for a

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<v Speaker 6>long time and had the tires kicked of. It was

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<v Speaker 6>a really strong script. In fact, one of my comments

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<v Speaker 6>was the pilot feels like we're done. Like I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>this could be just done, Like it feels like a

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<v Speaker 6>movie if we added thirty more minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like she gets the job, she gets the thing,

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<v Speaker 6>the boss likes her, like things are like wow, the

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<v Speaker 6>house is saved or whatever. So everything got worked out

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<v Speaker 6>and I was like should we should we be doing this?

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<v Speaker 6>But but but the good news of that was that

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<v Speaker 6>it also felt like the characters were so rich it

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<v Speaker 6>didn't you know. And and and clearly Sylvian and his

1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:35.840
<v Speaker 6>writers and the producers saw the rest, they saw all

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<v Speaker 6>the future that can happen. But they're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>these characters can just keep going, which they did for

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<v Speaker 6>you know, really strongly, for four years. It never felt

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<v Speaker 6>like anyone wasn't we could have gone longer. We could

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<v Speaker 6>have gone we could have gone longer.

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<v Speaker 4>Did the did once once the pilot was done because

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<v Speaker 4>there was so much sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, push back against sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of show as you've mentioned, I mean it was it

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<v Speaker 3>was surely not at the top of anyone's list.

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<v Speaker 4>So I test people watched it and liked it, But

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<v Speaker 4>did the did the network finally?

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<v Speaker 2>Like did they ever? Were their notes?

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<v Speaker 6>Were?

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<v Speaker 5>There?

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<v Speaker 2>Was there still push by?

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<v Speaker 6>We didn't get a lot of notes. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 6>pilot was too long. Back in the day when you

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<v Speaker 6>just did network TV, I'd be very specific. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>in the edit room with Terry Weinberg and Sylvia and

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<v Speaker 6>the editor cutting frame. There was a shot where these

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<v Speaker 6>birds fly up in battery when a park near downtown,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was a gorgeous shot and it started super

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<v Speaker 6>wide and came in tight, and we were like, we

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<v Speaker 6>need to be like forty two minutes and thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 6>and we were like forty two minutes in thirty four seconds.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, a right, I'll trade you half a second

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<v Speaker 6>of birds fly like it was like the most amazing

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<v Speaker 6>things that you have to do but.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't the Cheerios commercial just before.

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<v Speaker 6>Second Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean it was so crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, even after they picked up the show,

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<v Speaker 6>they were like, we're gonna put it on Fridays. They

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<v Speaker 6>didn't want the title Ugly Betty. They wanted it to

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<v Speaker 6>be Betty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ugly, you know, which is wild.

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<v Speaker 6>And there was all this feeling of like, we don't

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<v Speaker 6>know what we have, we don't know what we have.

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<v Speaker 6>But the fact was we did know what we have,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think that like a number of good strong

1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:30.800
<v Speaker 6>forces at ABC also knew what they had. So it

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<v Speaker 6>was and so maybe the top person maybe did or didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't actually know at that point whether he came around,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think people around him did come around. And

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<v Speaker 6>then the press got around it and it became a

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<v Speaker 6>story because nothing like that had ever been on TV,

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<v Speaker 6>no one like America had ever fronted a show, and

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<v Speaker 6>it pulled off a tone that had yet to be

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<v Speaker 6>done on television. All of this became a big story,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and then you know, nothing succeeds like success,

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<v Speaker 6>Like everyone at the ABC's like we always knew this was

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<v Speaker 6>going to be. This is always this is always success,

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<v Speaker 6>Like the agent who was like, do any show, but

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<v Speaker 6>this is like I always told you should have done this.

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<v Speaker 1>Show, right, Nothing succeeds like success. I love that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to start using that.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you did you watch like after the pilot? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you watch this?

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<v Speaker 6>Was? This is For a long time, I wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 6>any other episodes of a show other than the pilot

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<v Speaker 6>because I'm like, pilots are this blessed, beautiful thing in

1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:41.519
<v Speaker 6>which you have a lot of time, a lot more time. Yeah,

1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:47.080
<v Speaker 6>really developed the characters for herse and talk through every

1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:50.120
<v Speaker 6>single thing, and and regular television week two week is

1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:52.040
<v Speaker 6>is not that And there's a lot of pleasures in

1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:55.000
<v Speaker 6>that too. And in retrospect, I probably made a mistake.

1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:56.879
<v Speaker 6>I think it might have been fun to keep directing

1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:58.680
<v Speaker 6>on that show because it was so much fun. But

1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.400
<v Speaker 6>for whatever the reason, I didn't. So I watched like

1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:04.160
<v Speaker 6>the second episode, I was like, oh, there, we're in

1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:06.840
<v Speaker 6>good hands. It's gonna be funt it. And it took

1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:11.280
<v Speaker 6>years before my stepdaughter was like, I want to watch

1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:13.040
<v Speaker 6>a show, and I'm like, well, let's just start watching

1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:17.920
<v Speaker 6>every Betty. And we started watching it and watched all

1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:21.320
<v Speaker 6>four seasons, you know, eating popcorn and watching it and

1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:23.519
<v Speaker 6>it was like the greatest bonding thing.

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<v Speaker 2>How old was she then?

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<v Speaker 6>She was like, I want to say eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Or nine, you know, and that's when my daughter age.

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<v Speaker 6>Four and loved it. And there were a few things that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, certainly that were like what what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 6>What's what's she doing under the desk? But that is

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<v Speaker 6>there were definitely some there were definitely there was definitely

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<v Speaker 6>some questions, but it was great and for me kind

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<v Speaker 6>of a little bit, I guess, like you, market was

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<v Speaker 6>like I was removed enough from it to be like

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<v Speaker 6>I just fully enjoyed it, and I remember like I'm

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<v Speaker 6>texting you and texting America and Sylvia like the show's

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<v Speaker 6>really good and not Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So in wrapping up, since we have you here,

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<v Speaker 4>not to put you on the spot or anything, but Ben,

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<v Speaker 4>we're all obviously keen on doing a sort of a

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<v Speaker 4>limited series reboot. We're all desperate to do it.

1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:19.720
<v Speaker 6>Every single one already offered to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, good because Ben Silvan came in here, we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have to ask he emailing. I know, it's a lot

1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:27.040
<v Speaker 4>of work and there's a lot of hurdles that we

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<v Speaker 4>have to jump, but I think, you know, Ben Silverman

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<v Speaker 4>was already like emailing, uh, you know, Disney to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of get on the board.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're in.

1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:37.360
<v Speaker 6>I told America that if I was asked, I would

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<v Speaker 6>be there.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, We're we're back in a hundred.

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<v Speaker 6>We're getting people wanted. There's not even a question, No,

1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:50.320
<v Speaker 6>not even a question. There's so many story more stories

1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:52.800
<v Speaker 6>to tell, so many, And you guys are like, I

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<v Speaker 6>know there's a man sitting I don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, gay, very gay gay man, very gay man sitting

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<v Speaker 5>right here before.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, I do have to say this to Richard that

1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:14.519
<v Speaker 3>when I was watching it back, just a funny thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I was just.

1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Like the gayest kid in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the only thing that I have consistently said

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<v Speaker 3>every episode that we have recapped.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like you no one like you on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that it was. I'm not saying it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bad thing. I'm just saying that I was great.

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<v Speaker 6>But again, it was like these choices were like, this

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<v Speaker 6>is what's going on? Yeah, exactly, the brothers gay, great,

1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:40.160
<v Speaker 6>moving on exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, but I remember I remember America saying that

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<v Speaker 4>in an interview, like you know, how does it feel

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, the first Latin And she was like

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<v Speaker 4>it's great, you know, first Latin family. But she was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be really psyched when they just asked me what

1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:56.880
<v Speaker 4>it's like to play this character. Doesn't have to have

1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:58.479
<v Speaker 4>to be a Latin. You know, the fact that we're

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<v Speaker 4>doing this it's amazing, but like this should be normal,

1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:02.559
<v Speaker 4>This should be a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, hasn't happened since so.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's and it's not I mean, but also even

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<v Speaker 3>even in like the even in.

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<v Speaker 1>The queer spaces, like you know, like there's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got to be like niche and or or that

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<v Speaker 3>you're like pigeonholed into like you're you're there's still like

1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:23.040
<v Speaker 3>the trope of like sassy gay x right, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what i mean, or like flank here, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>i mean, living in the Yeah, like be the funny

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<v Speaker 3>gay one. And it's like, by the way, I'm more

1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:36.400
<v Speaker 3>than happy to be the funny gay one.

1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Well you are, well, but I also a career off

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of people are risk averse in general

1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:47.759
<v Speaker 6>to doing anything that is it all. They're just scared

1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:51.160
<v Speaker 6>about everything like, so it's whenever you can get something

1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:54.519
<v Speaker 6>through the system that is made with individuals, not a

1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:59.679
<v Speaker 6>corporate point of view. So Sylvio from the beginning very clearly,

1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:05.120
<v Speaker 6>so all this family and this work world, he personalized

1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:07.320
<v Speaker 6>it to many of the things that were in his life,

1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:11.040
<v Speaker 6>and he entrusted the creation of it to a group

1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:13.559
<v Speaker 6>of people behind and in front of the cameras, who

1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:17.240
<v Speaker 6>who who agreed with and wanted to only enhance what

1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:21.240
<v Speaker 6>he wanted to do, and because of that individuality of

1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:26.280
<v Speaker 6>him then spread out with a lot of people created

1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:27.280
<v Speaker 6>that you created.

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<v Speaker 2>That also took a huge risk with the with the novella.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, I said it was real last question,

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<v Speaker 4>but like now I'm remembering because the novella did.

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<v Speaker 2>Come into it a lot. In our stuff, the novella

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<v Speaker 2>and all like shooting that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those talks a lot about the differentiation of the kind

1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:47.040
<v Speaker 3>of fantastical nature of the world and the camp nature

1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:49.240
<v Speaker 3>of like the actual world that you were creating, and

1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:52.800
<v Speaker 3>then having to heighten that even more for the novellas.

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, that was that was something.

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<v Speaker 4>That I mean, how is that to shoot just because

1:15:57.280 --> 1:15:59.519
<v Speaker 4>it is you know, I mean, like you're a white

1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:02.639
<v Speaker 4>guy should a novella and it was really perfect.

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<v Speaker 6>Well I was, she said very clearly. It's like when

1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:12.720
<v Speaker 6>actors act on a telenevela they act for all three cameras.

1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.280
<v Speaker 6>And as soon as she said that, I was like, oh,

1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:19.240
<v Speaker 6>well then please very distinctly act for all three cameras.

1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:21.160
<v Speaker 6>So she does her thing and she looks at all

1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:23.760
<v Speaker 6>three cameras and it was like, what am I I

1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:25.559
<v Speaker 6>don't have to do anything. I mean, I knew we

1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.400
<v Speaker 6>created a great set. We got it was a perfect

1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:32.439
<v Speaker 6>little scene. She was dressed perfectly, and it was you know,

1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:34.679
<v Speaker 6>it was so you know, and we had three cameras going,

1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:38.479
<v Speaker 6>so it actually was so didn't there were three came

1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:42.360
<v Speaker 6>so that we could get that three camera look. But

1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:45.040
<v Speaker 6>it was great, and you know, it helped to have

1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:50.040
<v Speaker 6>her tell, you know, well, yes, you're actually it's like

1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:51.559
<v Speaker 6>the most perfect thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>No question. But it did.

1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:55.879
<v Speaker 4>It did go throughout and it was it was excellent

1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:59.559
<v Speaker 4>every single time that conceit of having the novella come

1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:00.719
<v Speaker 4>into it, it was to.

1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Me and that was something that lived, Yeah, that lived,

1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:08.960
<v Speaker 3>like starting on the novella and like that that and.

1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It was so specific to me.

1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:12.519
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I grew up in a house where the

1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:15.880
<v Speaker 4>novellas were on to you know, volume e levin all

1:17:15.920 --> 1:17:18.120
<v Speaker 4>the time, you know, in the house, and it just

1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:22.000
<v Speaker 4>was and it just it rang so real through the campiness,

1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:25.200
<v Speaker 4>through the craziness, through all of it. That was a real,

1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:29.479
<v Speaker 4>really beautiful sort of like touch and tribute to us

1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:30.599
<v Speaker 4>I think as a community.

1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:31.200
<v Speaker 1>It just was.

1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 2>It was just a great thing to see because it

1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:33.960
<v Speaker 2>was just so normal.

1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Like you said, it was just like he's watching his No,

1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:38.559
<v Speaker 4>that that's what you do, you know what I mean?

1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:40.599
<v Speaker 2>So we are.

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<v Speaker 6>Wait, we waited a little bit for hair and makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh on that. I know.

1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:49.920
<v Speaker 2>This is not a question that we were going to

1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:51.479
<v Speaker 2>ask you. What I'm gonna ask you. Anyway, The first

1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>scene that America shot was that photo shoot.

1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh my god.

1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:59.599
<v Speaker 2>So that's crazy to me because that's a huge scene.

1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Her shoes, I can't imagine. Was it because of Vanessa

1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:04.840
<v Speaker 2>was coming in late?

1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:07.639
<v Speaker 6>Well have you talked about the Vanessa?

1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh yeah, but we've gone in.

1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:13.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean that was a situation in which.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when she did the table read and she

1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:20.519
<v Speaker 4>read it like this I'm gonna do Daniel, You're not

1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:22.760
<v Speaker 4>going to be the editor the magazine.

1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:23.720
<v Speaker 6>It was such a it was this.

1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe it.

1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what have it?

1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:29.439
<v Speaker 6>It was so so the actor who was a cast

1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.320
<v Speaker 6>because basically we were told we should cast her because

1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:35.240
<v Speaker 6>it would make the head of the network happy. It

1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:39.240
<v Speaker 6>was really bad. You know, she she's been good in

1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.599
<v Speaker 6>other things, but she was really bad and she wasn't

1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:44.479
<v Speaker 6>going to get any better. And I got really scared

1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:48.040
<v Speaker 6>because I had all these visions of how the show

1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:50.200
<v Speaker 6>should look. And then I'm like, oh, but I'm going

1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:53.080
<v Speaker 6>to have to shoot her like you shoot a dog.

1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:58.800
<v Speaker 6>Not that she is a dog, no, no, not saying that,

1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:01.920
<v Speaker 6>but how you shoot it dog, which is that you

1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:04.760
<v Speaker 6>have to shoot it in close and maybe there'll be

1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:07.880
<v Speaker 6>a moment where and it will work. And I'm like,

1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:10.879
<v Speaker 6>but she's the bad guy. Like the show only works.

1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:14.879
<v Speaker 6>Die Hard works because Alan Ridman, it is the greatest

1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:19.040
<v Speaker 6>bad guy. But we can't have Lassie be the bad guy.

1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:24.479
<v Speaker 6>It can't happen. And and and it. It became this battle,

1:19:24.560 --> 1:19:27.200
<v Speaker 6>and I remember they they don't the studio didn't want

1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:30.200
<v Speaker 6>to replace her. There was all this politics because of

1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:33.120
<v Speaker 6>the head of the network. Sylvia and I were freaking

1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:38.240
<v Speaker 6>The f a yes, And in my recollection, the way

1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:44.680
<v Speaker 6>it happened was we had several expensive locations at the

1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:48.520
<v Speaker 6>beginning of the shoot, some of our most expensive locations,

1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:53.320
<v Speaker 6>including like the dining room at Mode and the I

1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:56.439
<v Speaker 6>forget what it was, but several of the most expensive ones.

1:19:57.280 --> 1:19:59.880
<v Speaker 6>And we were shooting on film back then because it

1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:04.120
<v Speaker 6>before digital hello, and we had to send that film

1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:07.880
<v Speaker 6>from New York to LA to get developed to then

1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:09.639
<v Speaker 6>be brought to daily, So it would have been two

1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:13.439
<v Speaker 6>to three days before the network saw the day. And

1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:18.320
<v Speaker 6>once I realized that, I realized they're going to fire

1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:22.719
<v Speaker 6>her after they see her, but we'll have shot three days,

1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:25.840
<v Speaker 6>so we're gonna have to reshoot all of her shit,

1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:28.520
<v Speaker 6>all of this, which is going to be so expensive

1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:31.920
<v Speaker 6>because there are three most expensive locations. And I finally

1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:33.479
<v Speaker 6>was like, you know what, I'm sick of talking to

1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:37.120
<v Speaker 6>the creative people about replacing her, and I went to

1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:41.639
<v Speaker 6>the financial people and I'm like, I literally was like, guys,

1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:44.240
<v Speaker 6>this is three and fifty thousand dollars. You're gonna have

1:20:44.240 --> 1:20:47.759
<v Speaker 6>to redo again. You're just burning this money because on Wednesday,

1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:50.760
<v Speaker 6>when you see these dailies, you're firing her. And that

1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:56.680
<v Speaker 6>got her replaced and Vanessa flew in literally arrived I

1:20:56.680 --> 1:21:00.160
<v Speaker 6>think it early morning. Yes, went to set. We had

1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:02.599
<v Speaker 6>cute cards because she had just got in the script.

1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:05.960
<v Speaker 6>I think upon getting off the plane, you know, and

1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.240
<v Speaker 6>shot that big boardroom scene was her first scene. But yes,

1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:11.599
<v Speaker 6>we did shoot that scene at the photo shoot early

1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:14.880
<v Speaker 6>and one of the reasons we did was that I

1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:18.639
<v Speaker 6>like to start with something incredibly challenging because I feel

1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:21.719
<v Speaker 6>like it ups the ante for everybody on the crew.

1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.920
<v Speaker 6>Like you do it, you finish it, you feel great,

1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:28.320
<v Speaker 6>You've like really proven yourself, and you're also explaining to

1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:31.120
<v Speaker 6>everyone this is how we're gonna work. We're not doing

1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.400
<v Speaker 6>the easy roll. We'll do the more complicated.

1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:35.600
<v Speaker 2>About this life lesson.

1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Really, I think that is so that is so profound, That.

1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Is profound, That is actually and also setting.

1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.840
<v Speaker 3>The standard of like what it is that that you're expecting,

1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:47.240
<v Speaker 3>like the quality of work.

1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:49.719
<v Speaker 4>And I mean for America that that was a real

1:21:49.880 --> 1:21:53.920
<v Speaker 4>it's hard for her, but you know what, I.

1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Think that honestly like, yes, it must have been hard

1:21:56.880 --> 1:21:59.200
<v Speaker 3>as your first day, but honestly, like the way that

1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:03.519
<v Speaker 3>she had to kind of emote in that in that

1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:08.439
<v Speaker 3>scene in terms of her embarrassment and humiliation and just.

1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:10.000
<v Speaker 6>Go for it. Listen, you're gonna have to get it.

1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:13.160
<v Speaker 6>And she had it in her. It was clear she did.

1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:15.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it was clear from moment one of meeting

1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:18.320
<v Speaker 6>her that she was she was an actor who was

1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:20.960
<v Speaker 6>going to deliver. And so it was you know, and.

1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Even Eric Eric had such a moment too.

1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:25.599
<v Speaker 6>Eric, Yeah, it's an easy day.

1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:27.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he had a whole scene where he had

1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:29.559
<v Speaker 4>to like sort of be this dick and then he

1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:33.200
<v Speaker 4>had to like have that regret and that you know, realism.

1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:35.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was such a brilliant scene. And I can't.

1:22:35.640 --> 1:22:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Believe that that was the first scene you started with,

1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:41.599
<v Speaker 4>but hearing your philosophy that that is kind of brilliant,

1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:42.559
<v Speaker 4>and you're right, it's like.

1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're in, We're in, We're in, y'all.

1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.800
<v Speaker 2>This is it. This is the trip we're going on,

1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:47.719
<v Speaker 2>this is our journey.

1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:50.439
<v Speaker 3>And even starting with something that like is you know,

1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:54.920
<v Speaker 3>obviously technically a really like hard scene to shoot, but

1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:58.120
<v Speaker 3>just such raw emotion to kind of start there and

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<v Speaker 3>then be like, we have a lot of fun stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that we're doing to you know, this was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the kind of emotional crescendo of the entire episode,

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<v Speaker 3>right is like when she that, it's like, no, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to do a lot of fun stuff and

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<v Speaker 3>like funny stuff too.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, well, you are a king among men, You

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<v Speaker 4>are a creative genius.

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<v Speaker 2>You are the puppy Chulo to are to our show.

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<v Speaker 2>You are the big Zaddy.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the great experiences of my life. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be more excited to see you both, Uh Terry, and

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<v Speaker 6>to feel part of of something that you know, has

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<v Speaker 6>stood the test. People are still talking about, still.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about it. It has changed television.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't wait to be on set with you for.

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<v Speaker 2>The Get ready, it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it actually is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a when it's as I was like, it's not,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not ever.

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<v Speaker 6>It's amazing Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>But we love you, We charged you.

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<v Speaker 4>We're so lucky you are ours and you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>really thank you for coming in you and talking to us.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it was incredible. We even got a little tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we did get a lot of it. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of tea. What do you mean a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you? So guess who we have coming up next?

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<v Speaker 1>An Academy Award nominated actress.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only that, but a Golden Globe winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Award winning winner, America Ferrara.

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<v Speaker 2>She's here.

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<v Speaker 1>Our monkey is coming onto the pod.

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<v Speaker 3>A monkey says, stay tuned for next week of Viva Betty,

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<v Speaker 3>because you're going to get the full tea. Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Viva Betty is a production of Propagate Content in partnership

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<v Speaker 4>with Iheart's Mike Waduda Podcast Networks.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your hosts On Ortiz and Mark Delacato.

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<v Speaker 4>Our executive producers are Terry Weinberg Linley and Diego Tapia.

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<v Speaker 3>Our senior producer is Emily Carr, and the show is

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<v Speaker 3>directed and edited by Mark.

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<v Speaker 4>For more podcasts, listen to the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,

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