1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy d Wilson. We talked about the possessions at 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: LUDO this week. Yep. This is one that's been on 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: my list for a long time and I find it 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: super fascinating. One. It's it's one of those things that 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: I find myself getting frustrated at because people that are 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: really into the occult will use these instances of historical 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: mass possessions in religious orders as proof that, you know, 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 1: it must be a real thing because they're religious, they're 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: fighting against demons, and yet there they are like, oh, 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: we should have a discussion this is. And that's why 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: this is a good example, because there were people that 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: came forward and went, no, this whole thing is being 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: used as a tool to get back at people that 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: other people don't like and to try to firmly entrench 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church as superior to the Protestant Church in 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: this community, right, And I love it for that reason. Yeah. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: This is the other episode that we are recording in 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: today's session is about a similar place and time, and 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: like this was a chaotic, difficult time to live in. 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like got the Reformation and the counter Reformation, 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: large scale disease, epidemics, wars, like so much stuff all happening, 24 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: and then a group of people in a religious community 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: fairly isolated from everybody, adding a whole additional layer of 26 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: like the social and psychological things going on. Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it also evidences. It's a very 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: tricky subject because I don't want to denigrate or insult 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: anyone's religious views. I do think though, anytime you have 30 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: an organization that puts itself beyond the reach of transparency 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: and any legal repercussions by saying no, we're inherently we 32 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: have to be secret. It's for the greater good. That's 33 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: just like a hotbed of potential exploitation. And I really think, 34 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems so obvious to me, obviously through 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the lens of the modern eye, to be like, oh, 36 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: they recognize that. Er Van Grandier was like, why don't 37 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: we just throw open the doors, get rid of all 38 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: of this dogma. We can talk openly about religion and 39 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: what it means to be religious and not be so 40 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, secretive about it. And they were like, that 41 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: guy's gotta die somehow. We have to figure out a way, 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: which is very fascinating. Listen. He also, though, was seemed 43 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: per really happy to use his charms for his own wiles, 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: because he clearly wanted to get rid of the celibacy 45 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: rule right, to make it cool for him to have 46 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: sexual exploits with a lot of people, which also, you know, 47 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: becomes a whole other issue to debate. Yeah, because there's 48 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: a power dynamic involved in a religious figure. There's there's 49 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: a lot of problems there, Don't get me wrong. I'm 50 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to make him into the hero of 51 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: the story, although he did appear to be the victim. 52 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: But this is also the thing, right, there's so much 53 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: humans are inherently gonna mackinate for their own best interest yeah, 54 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: or desires, and that's a that's just inherently problematic. I 55 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: don't know how to fix it. We haven't figured it 56 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: out clearly in several hundred years. It's been hundreds of years. 57 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm so tired, so worn out. I really, I do 58 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: like reading a lot of the modern assessments of it 59 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: that are careful and really thoughtful and try to take 60 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: into account all of the things we do know while 61 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: acknowledging all the things we don't and we can't, right, 62 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: you know that there's also the element of some of 63 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: the people involved in these claims of demonic possession were 64 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: probably faking and knew they were faking. For others one 65 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: hundred percent believed they were possessed. Yeah, and they are 66 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: all grouped under one heading, So it makes it very 67 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: hard to parse out and pick apart what was real 68 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: and what was not. Yeah, because to them some things 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: were real that other people would say, we're not, and 70 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: that makes it very tricky. Yeah. Well, and it's been 71 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: a while since I've done an episode on this theme, 72 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: but I have kind of a fascination with like the 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: especially medieval era mystics, some of whom were having experiences 74 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: that to to day's ear like they don't sound like 75 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: a mentally well person, right, They sound like someone who 76 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: is having some kind of delusion going on. But I'm 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: like really interested in them and their experiences and how 78 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: many of them, like sincerely believed the things that they 79 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: were describing to people, and how that simultaneously like grew 80 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: out of the place and time they were living and 81 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: set them apart from the place and time they were living. Yes, yeah, yeah, 82 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: I really am super fascinated by Jean des Ange figuring 83 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: out this path where she could say no, no, I 84 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: was in fact, once I was cleared of demons, there 85 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: was divine spirit that entered me. I don't know what 86 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: to make of the scars on her arm. It's the 87 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: sixteen thirties, so there's no photos. And also this kind 88 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: of master stroke of being like I operate in this 89 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: structure of the church where they are happy to suggest 90 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: and believe and promote the idea that I was exercised 91 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: and that you know, I then became in touch with 92 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: higher angels. And also, by the way, my angel said 93 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: what you said was wrong and now you can't fight 94 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: me because you already validated him. I like that is 95 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: masterfully played. That part, to me is very interesting. It's 96 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: like she found this weird way through to empower herself. Yeah, 97 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: it's all very fascinating. I love doing any of the 98 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: possession stories because, right one the beauty of them is that, 99 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: because of all of these psychological aspects we've mentioned, there's 100 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: no one truth, right, so you can't say definitively anything, 101 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and it just becomes a fun examination and of what 102 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: was going on, especially the ones in long ago history. Yes, 103 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: I do like how much just legal battling there was 104 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: in this one. I love the idea that Grandier was 105 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: just like lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit, just throwing them out like 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: shuffling cards. He just suit everybody that irritated him, which 107 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: is kind of kind of fun. Fun, probably not for 108 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: anybody involved with his life, but fun to read about. 109 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope nobody's possessed. I mean, I have feelings. 110 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: I have my own beliefs and thoughts. They may disappoint people. 111 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: We talked about werewolves this week sure did, especially specifically 112 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: a guy named Peter probably whose name was spelled so 113 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: many different ways that we had to stop and have 114 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: multiple clarifying conversations while we were recording, which which pronuncisia 115 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: would you like me to use here? I was like, 116 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, I don't actually know that that was 117 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: really what his name was. But yeah, So I was 118 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: just looking for stuff to talk about in October and 119 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I stumbled across this in realized I was like, oh, 120 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: we haven't done this, and actually we have not talked 121 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: that much about were wolves, and I did kind of 122 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about how like this, as the 123 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: big witch trials in early modern Europe and North America 124 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: were happening, there was also this were wolf focus. I 125 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't quite prepared for the level of goriness, even 126 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: though the last time we talked about a were wolf 127 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: it was Gials Garnier and that was gory. I just 128 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: had kind of forgotten. I feel a little bit like 129 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: a monster, yeah, because I was like, I thought this 130 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: was gonna be gory. Well so the parts of it, 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: but it really got me the like the parts of 132 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: me that I was like, oh, okay, that was not 133 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: expecting that eating the brain, but no, it was the 134 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: like attacking pregnant women and tearing the fetus out of 135 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: their body, like oh yeah, that it was just I 136 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: was not I was somehow I was like, oh that 137 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: that was more than I was expecting here, and then 138 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: like eating eating the hearts of his victims. I was like, ah, 139 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: not really, yeah, liking that and had no idea when 140 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: I got into it that there was also going to 141 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: be like an incest element to it. Yeah, that's the 142 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: sexual assault and whatnot is probably the part that I 143 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: find the most unsettling. But I don't. I don't know 144 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: why I don't perceive it as gory, even though those 145 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: are all horrific things. I think part of it is 146 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: because I don't trust that any of this is accurate. 147 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, so my brain is just like, well, 148 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: that's what they said, But I know it's not to 149 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: diminish how frightening a possibility that is. But just like 150 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: I think because of the nature of like these broadsheets 151 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: and how many that we've you know, discussed throughout the 152 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: run of the show that are like, well they kind 153 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: of made stuff up to sell more copies, that I 154 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: just perceive none of it is real, Yeah, which is 155 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: why I think I'm like, eh, I have a different 156 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: level of immersion in reading something versus if I'm watching 157 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: a movie. Like there have been movies that I have 158 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: watched that I have that have scared me so much 159 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: that I have been able to like feel the fear 160 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: in my body, Yeah, as a physical experience. And I've 161 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: read some books that are supposed to be really scary 162 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: that like that just has not been how I engage 163 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: with like the content of a book versus a movie 164 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: that I'm watching, right, or maybe a TV show that's 165 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: really scary. So anyway, we had a lot of things 166 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: to from. I tried to leave some of the like 167 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: atypical spellings in there. Yeah, but I did clean a 168 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of them up because this particular document had a 169 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of v's that should have been used, and used 170 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: that should have been v's, and a thing that took 171 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: me a little while to remember j's that looked like eyes. 172 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: There were a couple of words that I kind of 173 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: stared at for a minute where I was like, I 174 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: don't know what in the world this could possibly Oh 175 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: that's a J not an I. Okay, what do you 176 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: get met. Yeah, we've talked about our love of unusual 177 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: spellings before the push to standardize the spelling of everything 178 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: in English. This whole thing just makes me think about 179 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: what we do in the shadows. So oh yeah, that's 180 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: where my brain was a whole It makes sense. So 181 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: it's were wolves not swear wolves. Oh how I miss 182 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: that show. That's a very good show. I will say 183 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: I am less of a were wolf person if we're 184 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: in the zone of you know, classical monsters, uh huh 185 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: than some others. And I don't know why, but I 186 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: do love the fact that a girdle makes you a 187 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: were wolf. I know it's not the girdle in the 188 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: modern sense, but it makes me laugh so hard. It 189 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: makes me want someone to draw a cartoon of like 190 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: someone in a granny style girdle that writes them into 191 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: a were wolf. Yeah. I originally was trying to figure 192 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: out whether I needed to explain why sometimes it was 193 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: described as a belt and why sometimes it was described 194 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: as a girdle, because at the time sometimes those words 195 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: could be used almost interchangeably. They're both like a sort 196 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: of accessory that makes a cinching part around roughly the 197 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: middle of your body. Yeah, but like the belt and 198 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: the girdle can have slightly different in terms of like 199 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: the garment and what is being done with them. And 200 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: then I was like, this is not actually that important 201 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: to the story. I also, well, I, I mean, that's 202 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: actually a thing that I find really fascinating because I 203 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: also wonder about that particular type of garment being the 204 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: one chosen that is transformative, because of course things that 205 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: sinch in your body are transformative in some cases. Yeah, 206 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: have not always been accepted, like my tight lacing diatribe 207 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: hasn't come up in a long time, but like we 208 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: in the modern era. I say we in the grand 209 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: sense of we, not me, because I read a lot 210 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: about it. There is a proclivity towards talking about how 211 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: tight lacing was, this weird habit of the past, blah 212 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. No, there were always people who 213 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: were like, that's not good for you. And so this 214 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: idea of something that transforms your body in a possibly 215 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: painful way or an uncomfortable way, being the thing that 216 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: makes you into a monster is just a fun avenue 217 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: to explore. Oh sure, sure, Like there are also stories 218 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: that are clearly fictional stories about were wolves, like werewolf 219 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: flore fiction poems things like that from around this era 220 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: and the medieval period that it's also like a belt 221 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: or a skin like have some similar things to like 222 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: these werewolf stories from contemporary with the witch trials. So 223 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: it's like, is this sort of just a thing that 224 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: was drawn from existing ideas or not. But I also 225 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: liked how sometimes it's an ointment or an ungwent, and 226 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: either the devil gave you the ungwent or like the 227 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: devil gave you the recipe so you could go make 228 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: your own unguent to become a wolf. I feel like 229 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: there is so much money to be made with a 230 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: skin care line called the Devil's ungwent. Yeah, whoever among 231 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: you is a modern apothecary of skincare elixers, run with 232 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: this all Polly has given you the idea, will buy 233 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: the entire line? Yeah. I also it caused me to 234 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: have various thoughts about the modern world that we're living 235 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: in now and having moved from print culture into online culture, 236 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: and how easy it is for misinformation to spread and 237 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: feed on each other into a cycle that the thing 238 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: that is spreading with the misinformation then informs things that happen, 239 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: and then that feeds back into the misinformation cycle, like 240 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: as evidence. Yeah, I mean, and it also I feel 241 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: like we are experiencing the parallels of what has come 242 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: up in a couple of recent episodes with times of 243 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: great upheaval also being times when people cling to ideas 244 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: of mysticism, for you know, magic being a thing, And 245 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we're in a little bit of that 246 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I did not choose 247 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: this episode because of current parallels. I chose it because 248 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: of were wolves. But there swear wolves. That's maybe why 249 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't like wear wolves. If they don't swear so much. Yeah, 250 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm here for the Rugaroo and the rest, see ya. 251 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: I was telling Patrick what I was working on, and 252 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: he was like, oh, is it a were wolf or 253 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: is it a lugaro? And I was like, a lugaru 254 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: is just a French werewolf. Yeah, and he was thinking, 255 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember which video game he was specifically referencing, 256 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: but like there is some video game where like a 257 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: were wolf is one tier of enemy and a lugaroo 258 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: is like a more difficult version of the werewolf enemy. 259 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: It's got more hit points, got to take more damage. 260 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: And then there's the Cajun ruguru that will just bring 261 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: you fabulous food. Yeah. Did you went to the Rugaroo 262 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Festival that time? Didn't? I haven't, Okay, I keep trying 263 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: to go and the timing never works out. I thought 264 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: you did get to go one time. I made up 265 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: a fiction in my head where you got to do 266 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: this thing that you have wanted to do one year. 267 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna work for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, 268 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: that's our wandering discourse about were wolves and the Rugaroo Festival. 269 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: Whatever's happening on your weekend. I hope it's great. I 270 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: hope if there is a strange werewolf running around your 271 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: town that it's just a p in an outfit having 272 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: a good time, not harming anybody in any way. We 273 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow. We will 274 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: have something brand new on Monday. 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