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Speaker 1: Mahomes back throws.

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Speaker 2: It is pick off picked off by the Lions by

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Speaker 2: Brands with the left side. He's going, baby, He's going

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Speaker 2: to the house.

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Speaker 1: Touch down.

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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions deflected in the air, Brats ran under it,

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Speaker 2: and he took it all the way back. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the twenty The Huddle Podcast. I am Tim Twentyman, senior

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Speaker 2: writer for the Detroit Lions. He is PJ Clark, who

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Speaker 2: does a little bit of everything. What does your official

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Speaker 2: title take that, You're like the guy that does social media,

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Speaker 2: you do the produce of the podcast, you do video stuff.

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Speaker 1: Army Knife, Swiss Army Knife.

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Speaker 3: We'll go with that.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: The Swiss Army Knife does a great job with our

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Speaker 2: key matchup segment, which we're gonna just jump right into

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Speaker 2: this week. Obviously big matchup health wise, not a whole

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Speaker 2: lot for Detroit. Taylor Decker's back, you know, fighting a

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Speaker 2: little bit of complacency, maybe having already won the division,

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Speaker 2: but really shouldn't be a case peage with the number

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Speaker 2: two seeds still very much in their control, and who knows,

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Speaker 2: with San Francisco having to play the Rams, you know,

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Speaker 2: week eighteen, that might be a desperate team they lose

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Speaker 2: a game, Detroit wins two. The number one seed is

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Speaker 2: still there. So this shouldn't be a complacent football team.

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Speaker 4: No, and it's a it's a big matchup. I mean,

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Speaker 4: when you're looking ahead now to playoffs locked up, you

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Speaker 4: might have to see the Cowboys again pretty soon. So

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Speaker 4: can you take advantage now and push them maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit further down the seating list, push yourself up

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Speaker 4: and really keep the two seed, as you know, as

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Speaker 4: guaranteed as possible. You can do that on your own,

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Speaker 4: you don't need help for that. But it starts this week,

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Speaker 4: and it starts with Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at Dallas, a place where they're seven and zero.

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Speaker 2: They're averaging thirty nine point nine points per game, So

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Speaker 2: a great December test, you know. Dan Campbell talked about

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Speaker 2: think it's perfect timing. He said, Well, they get to

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Speaker 2: go play a big time game on the road, big

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Speaker 2: NFC matchup because the team a little prime time little

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Speaker 2: action again.

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Speaker 1: Get ready for all right.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump right into these key matchups. And first on

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Speaker 2: the list for me is quarterback Jared Golf. First cornerback

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Speaker 2: Deron Bland. And when you look at Bland and what

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Speaker 2: eight interceptions, six pick sixes, which set.

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Speaker 1: An NFL record.

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Speaker 2: And so look, Jared Golf is playing terrific football right now.

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Speaker 2: He's taking care of the football. You look at last week,

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Speaker 1: To take some of the aggressiveness away. But you also

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Speaker 2: When you throw at Doron Bland because you know, you

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Speaker 2: know what he can do and how a pick six

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I match up like this, That's that's happened

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Speaker 4: even earlier this year against Seattle. I mean, this pick

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Speaker 4: six changed that game. And that's another playoff type team.

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Speaker 4: They're still fighting for the lives. But that's that's one

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Speaker 4: of the better teams the Lions have played this year,

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Speaker 4: and you saw how it impacted that game. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're thinking what is Dallas defense gonna be? And he

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Speaker 4: and he's so good at jumping the outside routes, which

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's given up.

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Speaker 2: Just as many big plays as he has interceptions. You've

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Speaker 2: So he's got all this production, but there's nothing on

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Speaker 1: This home run player.

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Speaker 2: He is a complete threat cornerback. And so I think

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think again, you saw fourteen get back

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is an offensive line that has been

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Speaker 4: You gotta be ready for that. But this is a

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Speaker 4: Jared was great against the Blitz. We talked last week

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Speaker 1: Jared was outstanding.

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Speaker 4: But Michael Parsons, I mean, that guy, that guy is

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Speaker 2: All right, and look here's another big one for me,

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Speaker 2: Peach is Cam Sutton, cornerback who wasn't at practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they use him in a variety of ways.

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Speaker 2: Three catches for eighty three yards and a touchdown on Cam.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. The Lion's got to really marriage the

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Speaker 2: So we got a big show for Kirby Joseph it's

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Speaker 2: Great stuff from him as well, so stay tuned. We

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Speaker 2: happy to welcome in John Machotoh does a great job

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Speaker 2: covering everything Dallas Cowboys for the Athletic. John, we got

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Speaker 6: Now, there's no question about it being somebody from Detroit.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 6: This is a game that you know, was on my

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Speaker 5: I just want this to be a big game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this, and both teams are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just the magnitude of it too.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the Lines have already clinched the NFC North, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I can certainly see that you mentioned the

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Speaker 2: offensive line. Tyron Smith, how's he doing? What's city update

439
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Speaker 2: on him? Obviously that would be a you know, a

440
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Speaker 2: pretty big loss for Dallas if he isn't able to go.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, there's just such a big drop off. I'm sure

442
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Speaker 6: it's like this for most teams. So there's such a

443
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Speaker 6: big drop off from their starting five offensive line to

444
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Speaker 6: if any one of them is out, things just start

445
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Speaker 6: to fall apart for them, they really need that best

446
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Speaker 6: five out there. And they've kept Tyron relatively healthy during

447
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Speaker 6: the season by not really having him do much during

448
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Speaker 6: the week. But yeah, has back flared up two weeks ago,

449
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Speaker 6: and he was doubtful going into last week's game, and

450
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Speaker 6: so I knew that he probably wouldn't play there. This

451
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Speaker 6: one's gonna be a little bit more of a fifty

452
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Speaker 6: to fifty just eight for one, he was actually in

453
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Speaker 6: the locker room, which he doesn't come in the locker

454
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Speaker 6: room a ton, so I thought that that was probably

455
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Speaker 6: a good sign for him having a chance to play.

456
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Speaker 6: But I do think that, you know, as much as

457
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Speaker 6: that people say game time decision, I do think that

458
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Speaker 6: that's what this is. And so without Tyron Smith though,

459
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Speaker 6: and there is a significant drop off there on their

460
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Speaker 6: offensive line, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of talk here in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: It's been about Michael Parsons, you know, and obviously a

463
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, I know Detroit liked Michael Parsons

464
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Speaker 2: in the draft. Obviously they got Pinney Seel and and

465
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Speaker 2: that was you know, I think it's worked out great

466
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Speaker 2: for both teams, as pine See was one of the

467
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Speaker 2: best tackles in the league, and Mike is obviously one

468
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Speaker 2: of the defense best defensive players. But what is it, John,

469
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Speaker 2: that makes Micah so good because he's he's not big,

470
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Speaker 2: he doesn't overpower people. He's just so versatile. Is that

471
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Speaker 2: really the strength? Just his versatility and that he can

472
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Speaker 2: play really anywhere in the front seven?

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Speaker 6: It seems yeah, the versatility definitely number one, But his

474
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Speaker 6: speed is so unique for an edge rusher, and his

475
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Speaker 6: and then he compliments it with the strength, so you know,

476
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Speaker 6: you can't even if you are a quicker guy, it's

477
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Speaker 6: gonna be hard to hold him off because he is

478
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Speaker 6: pretty strong for his size, as you mentioned, not being

479
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Speaker 6: one of the bigger edge rushers, and maybe later on

480
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Speaker 6: down his career maybe that adds up for him. Maybe

481
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Speaker 6: he doesn't end up having his long of a career

482
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Speaker 6: because of the wear and tear that a guy really

483
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Speaker 6: with a linebacker body is taking playing off the edge.

484
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Speaker 6: But he is just so quick that it's just if

485
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Speaker 6: they just keep moving him around, you kind of don't

486
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Speaker 6: know where he's coming from.

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Speaker 5: And that's been their secret sauce.

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Speaker 6: Really, I mean the combination of him and then Dan

489
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Speaker 6: Quinn taking over the defense and how it's been much

490
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Speaker 6: more multiple than it had been previous seasons under Rod Marinelli.

491
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Speaker 6: That's been such a key for them, and Mike has

492
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Speaker 6: stayed relatively healthy and so he's been able to battle

493
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Speaker 6: through it. The big issue down here, though, is that

494
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Speaker 6: he just keeps complaining about not getting a holding call.

495
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Speaker 6: He hasn't drawn a holding call in over two months,

496
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Speaker 6: and that really bothers him a lot, and he's being

497
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Speaker 6: very vocal about it, and so there's this sense of

498
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Speaker 6: your like, is that really helping this thing?

499
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Speaker 5: So I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That's one thing to watch in this game, is if

501
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Speaker 6: he can draw a holding call or not, because it's

502
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Speaker 6: been a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Of course, right before Detroit comes down, all this stuff

505
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Speaker 2: about holding calls comes out, so I can see how

506
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Speaker 2: this is playing out. John already no, but that'll be

507
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Speaker 2: obviously a terrific matchup whenever he's matched up on the

508
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Speaker 2: right side with Pina Suel Taylor Decker has been dealing

509
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: with a groin injury. Detroit's you know, veteran left tackle,

510
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: but he is good to go. He's gonna play. So

511
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Speaker 2: Detroit will have all five of their offensive top offensive

512
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Speaker 2: lineman for I think third game in a row. That's

513
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Speaker 2: been an issue all year, and so that'll be definitely

514
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Speaker 2: a terrific matchup.

515
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Speaker 1: But John, maybe what's one or two other key.

516
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Speaker 2: Matchups you think that that are going to play out

517
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Speaker 2: Saturday Night.

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Speaker 6: Biggest thing for the Cowboys that have success, I feel

519
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Speaker 6: like is that that combo with Dak and CD. When

520
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Speaker 6: they play well together, things just go to a different level.

521
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Speaker 6: And the way this season started with Mike McCarthy taking

522
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Speaker 6: over the play calling, there was some rust and I

523
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Speaker 6: think part of that is because of just as you know,

524
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Speaker 6: with the training camp schedule, it's not like it used

525
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Speaker 6: to be. It's almost like it takes you a few

526
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Speaker 6: weeks to kind of get into where you'd normally be

527
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Speaker 6: after a training camp maybe ten fifteen years ago, And

528
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Speaker 6: so there was some definite rusts there. And they had

529
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Speaker 6: a real ugly performance in Week five against San Francisco.

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Speaker 5: Two weeks later they had.

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Speaker 6: Their bye, and right after that, I mean, Dak and

532
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Speaker 6: CD just took everything to another level. And he played

533
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Speaker 6: well early against the Dolphins and laid against the Dolphins

534
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Speaker 6: last week, but wasn't target at all in the second

535
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Speaker 6: or third quarter. And I just think they're gonna go

536
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Speaker 6: out of their way in this game to feed CD Lamb.

537
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Speaker 6: I mean, they're putting Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of

538
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Speaker 6: honor at halftime. I expect Michael Irvin to be there

539
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 6: ceedee Lambilly needs three more catches to pass Michael Irvin

540
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Speaker 6: as the single season franchise receptions leader. It's lining up

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Speaker 6: that I just see it's gonna be a day where

542
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Speaker 6: they're going to try.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like the Cowboys.

544
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Speaker 6: Want to throw the ball, whereas the Lions are probably

545
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Speaker 6: gonna want to try and run it and keep that

546
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Speaker 6: Cowboys offense, you know, on the sideline. And so for me,

547
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Speaker 6: the biggest matchup is, you know, how does Detroit kind

548
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Speaker 6: of try and take away CD Lamb. Because Brandon Cook's

549
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Speaker 6: a good wide receiver, Jake Ferguson, the young tight end

550
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Speaker 6: has come on. Jalen Tolbert's second year receiver of come out.

551
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Speaker 6: But it's nothing like when CD and Dak are rolling.

552
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Speaker 6: Everything kind of falls into place there, So I think

553
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Speaker 6: everything kind of starts there. And then on defense, it's

554
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Speaker 6: Michael Parsons. If you can keep Michael Parsons frustrated and

555
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Speaker 6: away from the quarterback, it just seems like it has

556
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Speaker 6: a trickle down to the rest of the defense. You

557
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Speaker 6: don't want my could have get going because then especially

558
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Speaker 6: at home, the way it can kind of just snowball.

559
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Speaker 6: So those those two players for sure are the top

560
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Speaker 6: two that you have to keep an eye.

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Speaker 3: On, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting for your Ceede Lamb.

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Speaker 2: Your eyes have to be kind of kind of big

564
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Speaker 2: heading into this matchup given what Justin Jefferson was able

565
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Speaker 2: to do last week against Detroit and that that Vikings

566
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Speaker 2: offense with over four hundred passing yards, you know, had

567
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Speaker 2: a lot of success in that matchup. That's been kind

568
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Speaker 2: of an achilles heel is Detroit's pass defense all all seasons.

569
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Speaker 2: So that'll definitely be, you know, a huge matchup in

570
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Speaker 2: this one. I know Detroit was very complimentary of Ceedee

571
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Speaker 2: Lamb and how they use him and move him around

572
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Speaker 2: and get him the ball in space, and so it's

573
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Speaker 2: something they're certainly aware of and and need to stop

574
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Speaker 2: Saturday night. Who's maybe a player Detroit Lions don't know

575
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Speaker 2: you mentioned if you see Ceede Lamb's Micah Parsons, but

576
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Speaker 2: maybe you know a young guy, a newcomer, you know,

577
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Speaker 2: somebody that could maybe have an impact on the game

578
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: that that isn't too well known in Detroit, so I.

579
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Speaker 6: Think most college football fans will know of duce Vaughan.

580
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: He's a guy that he really came on big in

581
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Speaker 6: the preseason. We haven't really seen him much during the

582
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Speaker 6: regular season. But Rico Dwell, their number two back, has

583
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 6: been dealing with an injury and it's looking like he's

584
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Speaker 6: not going to go. So you got Tony Pollard, who's

585
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Speaker 6: been their lead guy this year with the Ezekiel Elliott

586
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 6: being gone. But Tony Pollard is more of like a

587
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 6: ten to fifteen carry guy as opposed to know the

588
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Speaker 6: twenty carry guy, and so I could see them possibly

589
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Speaker 6: using duce Vaughan and then full back Hunter Lipke undrafted,

590
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Speaker 6: you know, rookie free agent at North Dakota State who

591
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 6: got the ball three times in their opening series against

592
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Speaker 6: Miami last week, one of which was a fumble on

593
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Speaker 6: the goal line. But I just think that they cannot

594
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 6: just traditionally run against this Lions team with just handing

595
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Speaker 6: it to Tony Pollard. So I'm like, I kind of

596
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Speaker 6: look at those rookie backs as maybe someone steps up there.

597
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Speaker 6: But the other one really is Jalen Tolbert, the second

598
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Speaker 6: year wide receiver. He didn't do much at all during

599
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Speaker 6: his rookie season, and the Cowboys generally have some pretty

600
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Speaker 6: good success when they draft receivers early, so there's a

601
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Speaker 6: lot of people that were left scratching their heads after

602
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Speaker 6: his rookie season. He's made some big plays here and there,

603
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 6: but you're kind of it looks like the way things

604
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 6: are trending is he's he'll probably be their number two,

605
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 6: number three receiver going forward in future seasons, and he's

606
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 6: kind of come out of late, so he would probably

607
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 6: be the next person I would point to that kind

608
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 6: of stands out because on defense, it really is just

609
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 6: a lot of the guys that you already know. It

610
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Speaker 6: really starts up front with DeMarcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons.

611
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Speaker 6: If there's one week spot of Devens's it's their linebackers,

612
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 6: Demon Clark, Marquise Bell. They're okay, but they're not They're

613
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 6: definitely not a strength, whereas their corners are pretty good.

614
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 6: And then obviously, as people know what Jaron Blant with

615
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 6: the interceptions, that's a guy that he can turn a

616
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 6: game real quick with a pick six.

617
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Speaker 5: But that's the thing about the Cowboys.

618
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Speaker 6: Man. I just feel like even when it comes to

619
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Speaker 6: like in our job writing stories, you're just kind of like,

620
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Speaker 6: there's just it's hard for a Cowboy to fly under

621
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 6: the radar very long because they just they show a

622
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 6: little bit of a spark and it just like you

623
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Speaker 6: feel like everybody just jumps on the story and you're

624
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 6: sitting here watching, You're like, I don't know, I think

625
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 6: you should pump the brakes a little bit. I understand

626
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 6: it's one good game, but it's the Cowboys.

627
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Speaker 1: Though, America's team, right, Yeah, I guess.

628
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 5: I mean that's what they say.

629
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Speaker 2: And talking with John Michotoho does a great job with

630
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: the athletic final one for me, John, do you get

631
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: the sense and do they view this in Dallas as

632
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: a must win? Just with kind of I know they've

633
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: clinched a playoff spot, so it's hard to say that,

634
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: but with just the difference of being home in a

635
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: way and the and the divisions still there, do the

636
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: kind of they view this as as a Week seventeen

637
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: must win for them?

638
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 6: Nobody said anything like that this week in the locker room,

639
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 6: but they have to be feeling that way just from

640
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 6: a perspective of they can't lose three games in a

641
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 6: row this late in the season, you know, that was

642
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 6: the thing. Mike McCarthy's been outstanding since he's taken over

643
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 6: the Cowboys in December. His teams have been outstanding, even

644
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 6: during the COVID year when they had a really bad

645
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 6: down year in twenty twenty when Dak got hurt, they

646
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 6: could always hang their hat on December. And for them

647
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: to lose three consecutive games in December, that would just

648
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 6: be such a bad sign going into the postseason. And really,

649
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 6: to be honest with the end their home winning streak,

650
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 6: the one that you know, like I said, it's gone

651
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 6: since the beginning of the start of the past last season,

652
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 6: and so I do think it is must win for them.

653
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 6: I just think it would be real ugly for them

654
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Speaker 6: to go in the playoffs and expect no, no, no,

655
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 6: we'll get hot right now, you know, Oh it's January. No,

656
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 6: it's different now. Three losses in a row from a

657
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 6: team that hasn't lost, hadn't lost back to back games

658
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 6: for over two years. It would be a tough blow

659
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 6: for them to take if they lost this one.

660
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Speaker 1: Well, it should be a fun one.

661
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: John Prime Time Saturday night in Dallas, the only game

662
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: on TV, and it's a big one for both teams

663
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: for obviously, you know, playoff implications and everything else. It'll

664
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: be a fun one. I can't wait to be down

665
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: there for this one late December. Meaningful football that hasn't

666
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: always been a thing here in Detroit. So it's fun

667
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: and we will see you down in Dallas. Century and

668
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I thank you so much for joining the twenty Me

669
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Speaker 2: in the Hotel podcast.

670
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Speaker 5: I appreciate it anytime, Tim, thanks for having me on.

671
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the twenty in the Whole podcast to

672
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: buy Microsoft, and I'm very happy to welcome in second

673
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: year safety Kirby Joseph, fresh off his two interception game

674
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: last week against Minnesota.

675
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Speaker 1: All right, let's start off with this Kurb. First, the

676
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: celebration right after the interception, we're you out of bouds.

677
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: Was that just something a little little showman that's in

678
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: you or what was going through your head there?

679
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 7: To be honest, I kind of just did it like

680
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 7: I caught it and I was like so, I was

681
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 7: like yeah, like yeah, and.

682
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: They're getting down the sideline.

683
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: Obviously a huge play and a cool twenty.

684
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Obviously a huge play in the game get two of them.

685
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you know this or not.

686
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: You're the two interceptions last week means you're the second

687
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: second straight four pick season for you.

688
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: You're the first player since.

689
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Watkins in nineteen eighty two and eighty three to

690
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: produce at least four interceptions in each of your first

691
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: two seasons. You know, you and Justin Simmons, I think,

692
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: are the only players to have eight picks, two forced

693
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: fumbles in a fumble.

694
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Recovery in their first few seasons. I mean, Curb, You're

695
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: you're starting to do some things here that are pretty

696
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: pretty rare.

697
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, did you always just expect to come into

698
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: this league and you kind of knew that this was

699
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: going to be your path or has it surprised you

700
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: a little bit with the production even?

701
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 7: I mean, it's always surprising, you know what I mean, Like,

702
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 7: It's something I've dreamed of since I was a kid.

703
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 7: So just to come out here and make my name

704
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 7: knowing in the league that means everything to me. I

705
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 7: kind of did expect it, But you know, job's not

706
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 7: done yet, and I gotta keep going because I want

707
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 7: more every single time.

708
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: Obviously, you guys have a difficult task this week with Dallas.

709
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: You know, a team that likes to throw the football around,

710
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, top six offense in this league. Just watch

711
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: the challenge with them and maybe the opportunity for you know,

712
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: a couple of chances for picks again this week with

713
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: with how much they throw it around.

714
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, they do like to throw the ball a lot,

715
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 7: and you know that's one of my specialist game picks,

716
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 7: so definitely looking forward to that. I said, they got

717
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 7: a lot of great talent over on that side of

718
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 7: the ball. They utilize their weapons pretty good. I'm just saying, like,

719
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 7: we just gotta know where eighty eight is, you know

720
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, and just game planning that.

721
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, cd Is is such a terrific chant. They try

722
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: to get the ball to him in so many different ways.

723
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: But I remember stopping by your locker a couple of

724
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: weeks ago against Denver and you're saying, Hey, I'm gonna

725
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: have some chances for some picks you obviously knew you

726
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: were going to last week too. Is this an opportunity

727
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: When you watch them on the film, did they like

728
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: to push the ball down the field or do you

729
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: think there's going to be some more opportunities for you

730
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: to make some plays in this one.

731
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: I definitely.

732
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 7: I feel like the offense has a shown on film

733
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 7: that they've they've completed a lot of explosive plays.

734
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm the deepest guys, so the d balls,

735
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: if it's up there, is mine.

736
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the championship. I mean the

737
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: celebrations obviously were fun. Just what that meant for you

738
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: guys to do something that hasn't been done here in

739
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: thirty years and for you to be such a big

740
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: part of, you know, making that happen too.

741
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 7: I feel like it's big, Like we met history here,

742
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 7: so that's something I could go back and like tell

743
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 7: my kids like twenty ten years later, and like it's

744
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 7: big for like the community and Detroit like one pribe,

745
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 7: like offs our supporters, like y'all been with it since,

746
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 7: like y'all been with us through thick and things. So

747
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 7: it's like it's just amazing to actually showcase that we're

748
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 7: not the same old liance.

749
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: But job's not done.

750
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: Job's not done. Jobs not done. And just the appetizing.

751
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Dating about that, Yeah, the appetiser with Yon Tree and

752
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Desert and the cherry on top still coming.

753
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: How do you fight?

754
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Is that how you fight the complacency? Yeah, I mean

755
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: you've got a couple of games to go. Sometimes maybe

756
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: there's that thing. While we were already in the playoffs,

757
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: we've already guaranteed the number three seed, but the fact

758
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: that you can get the two, that you can potentially

759
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: get the one, complacency isn't going to be an issue

760
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: with you guys, is it.

761
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: I ain't got no complacency in my heart. You know

762
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I can't for nothing.

763
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 7: So every time I'm out there, I gotta give it

764
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 7: my all, you know what I mean. And it's just

765
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 7: like I want to win. I don't care who were

766
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 7: going against, who we play, what it means out there,

767
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 7: like I want to win. This goes back to like

768
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 7: Green Bay versus the Rounds, I mean Green Bay versus US.

769
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 7: Like we knew like if the Rams won or whatever.

770
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: The showcase was, like it is what it is. But

771
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna give the all regardless. Yeah, I know.

772
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: We so happened to win that game and that was amazing.

773
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: No, it's a great point because I don't think that's

774
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: been brought up a lot that that game last year

775
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: in the final say it didn't mean anything, but it

776
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: was pride, and this seems like a pretty prideful group.

777
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: You guys, I want to ask you about if he

778
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: obviously first career interception made the big play, but since

779
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: he's been in that starting line up, since he's been

780
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: playing next to you, I mean, Curb, he's playing some

781
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: really good ball.

782
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: How proud are you of? Are you of of? If?

783
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: He?

784
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 7: I mean, it's everything to see him grow and learn

785
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 7: and you know, make plays, you know what I'm saying.

786
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 7: Like him if he's out there, you know, they brought

787
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 7: him in us a corner and they converted him to

788
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 7: a safety. So him learning the job and just going

789
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 7: out there having fun with it too, Like that's just amazing.

790
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 7: I'm so proud of him, Like he had his best

791
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 7: game yet you know what I'm saying. Yet yet you

792
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. You see a guy that just

793
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 7: this guy's a limit. When this guy is a limit

794
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 7: for him, Like he's so he's capable of doing anything

795
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 7: he wants to. He wants to end desires. Like I'm

796
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 7: just so proud of him, you know what I'm saying.

797
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 7: And just he's a baller. Bro he's a baller. He's

798
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: a baller definitely.

799
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: You know, that's not an easy move going from cornerback

800
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: to say you know, I mean you're you go from

801
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: a single focus being on an island to being back

802
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: there having to see the whole field, know everybody's job.

803
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that easy of a move, is it.

804
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 7: No, that's not that easy. But that's a that's a

805
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 7: good thing. We have the guys we have on our team,

806
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. We all help each other,

807
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 7: you know, so we all help each other learn and

808
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 7: grow and from a mentality standpoint, like that's what you

809
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 7: need to have playing safety. And if he has that,

810
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 7: so that's that's amazing to see him just keep growing

811
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 7: and just keep learning and willing to take risks and

812
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 7: make plays.

813
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt that he's six three, two hundred and

814
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: ten pounds either, And how much do you wish you

815
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: were six?

816
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: What's to wait on it?

817
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 6: Do?

818
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 7: I'm keep drinking my milk, sleeping and stuff like that

819
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 7: and all straight and I'm gonna grow like four inchant.

820
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Another guy coming back, CJ.

821
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson, you know, been back at practice. We'll see

822
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: if he's active this week or not, But but it

823
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: looks like that's coming. Just how big of a how

824
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: big of a of a return is his And it's

825
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: a good problem to have, right, I mean, now you've

826
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: got three guys that can play the safety position at

827
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: a high level. Just as that open up some packages

828
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: and some different things that that you can throw at defenses.

829
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 7: Definitely, definitely, definitely like opens up so many more packages

830
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. Like Chauncey, he's a bother, you

831
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, So like having him with us,

832
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 7: like it's just you know what I'm saying, Like ag

833
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 7: is gonna scheme it up and we're just gonna go

834
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 7: out there and play ball.

835
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: Like he's one of those he's one of those guys

836
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: that help us.

837
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 7: Learn, you know what I mean, and give us props

838
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 7: and gives us tips and pointers.

839
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit different of a question, but you

840
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: faced the offense all through camp, you know, sometimes that

841
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: practice when it's best on best, just from your perspective,

842
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: what makes our offense so difficult? What makes him so good?

843
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 7: I feel like they just have so many weapons and

844
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 7: they know how to utilize those weapons. You know what

845
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: I'm saying like Jamo khalievemir Oh, that's a human joystick

846
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 7: right there, like they have one.

847
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: Yes, that was wild. I was on the sideline like.

848
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: For the quarterback. That was Verry esque right there. Yeah.

849
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 7: But you know what I'm saying, like, I just feel like, man,

850
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 7: they just know how to get the job done and

851
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 7: they compliment each other all and it's just so great

852
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 7: to go out there see those guys like saying a

853
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 7: connecting and you know what I'm saying, being happy scoring

854
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 7: touchdowns and stuff like that.

855
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: That's big.

856
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: How much are you guys looking forward to prime time?

857
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: Dallas America's team right on the road, which you guys

858
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: are six and two, have played well all year.

859
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Just just how excited are you guys for this one?

860
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: It's a big game. I think it's a measuring stick game.

861
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: That's what Dan Campbell said this week too.

862
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: That's a good football.

863
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: Team, you know, one of the better teams in the NFC.

864
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Do you guys view that as kind of a measuring

865
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: stick game on the road or you guys think you've

866
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: already proven what you guys are So.

867
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: I don't think about it like that. I just see

868
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: that as an opponent, you know, what I mean.

869
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 7: I see that as opponent that's on the same field

870
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 7: as me, and I take it a dispett if you

871
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 7: think you could be on the same field as me

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Speaker 7: or as us. You know what I'm saying, as a

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Speaker 7: defense and as a team, as an organization as whole,

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Speaker 7: like we go, we got to go out there and

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Speaker 7: get that.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously a confident group and it should be. Defense

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Speaker 2: is playing pretty well. Looking for for more takeaways. Those

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Speaker 2: are obviously going to be big this week and it should.

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Speaker 1: Be a fun one.

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Speaker 2: And you guys got still got the number two, number

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Speaker 2: one seed available. Thanks for joining me, curre, but I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they say it's tough, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Hey, I got my shirt too.

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Speaker 3: I got my shirt