Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm just this is the best day of my life.
Speaker 1: How does it feel to be a gecka?
Speaker 2: It's not easy being green, No, it's not, but I
Speaker 2: honestly feel it. I love reptiles and frogs and stuff,
Speaker 2: and yeah, this is this is my dream and I
Speaker 2: really think I'm meant to be a green animal.
Speaker 1: Now you're from Australia, correct, Yes, And I've heard in
Speaker 1: Australia they're known for having like pretty gnarly fucked up
Speaker 1: supernali reptiles. Have you encountered.
Speaker 2: Yes, My manager Goth, when we used to live in Australia,
Speaker 2: he was a reptile rest Like he would go and
Speaker 2: rescue reptiles from people's homes and re home them in
Speaker 2: the bush. And so I would come with him and
Speaker 2: I would actually film while live it and like wrangle
Speaker 2: these deadly snakes and it was not chill at all.
Speaker 2: Like one of them definitely came in and tried to
Speaker 2: strike me. And I'm sure Goth has had so many
Speaker 2: terrible experiences.
Speaker 1: You guys had your own, like Steet, what's the Steven,
Speaker 1: Steve Irwin, you were like filming, Well, I think.
Speaker 2: There's one video on his YouTube still where he edited
Speaker 2: it to really heavy metal music and he's like, I
Speaker 2: think he was trying to wrangle a brown snake, which
Speaker 2: is the deadliest, one of the deadliest snakes in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually filmed from behind a door that time because
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, how are you with like if I had a.
Speaker 2: Snake, And oh yeah, I used to have a pet
Speaker 2: snake called Sparkles. He was a diamond python. And Garth
Speaker 2: actually used to have a bunch of snakes and we've
Speaker 2: been best friends since we were really young. So I
Speaker 2: was just always around reptiles.
Speaker 1: Do you think that because you were growing up with
Speaker 1: them it made you a little bit less squeamish to
Speaker 1: them as you got older.
Speaker 2: I do think I was ever squeamish with reptiles. Ever,
Speaker 2: I love lizards. I've always loved lizards so much, and
Speaker 2: frogs and stuff.
Speaker 1: A question, Yeah, what's been the most persistent thought on
Speaker 1: your mind lately?
Speaker 2: Is everything going to be okay?
Speaker 1: Is everything going to be okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? When you say everything is every is it like
Speaker 1: everything externally in the universe or is it everything with you?
Speaker 1: Or is it a combination?
Speaker 2: It's a combination Okay, I sit there and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, global warming. That's scaring me. You know,
Speaker 2: there's an uncertainty, and I really like because you know,
Speaker 2: being an artist, everything is so up and down all
Speaker 2: the time. You need to have a little bit of stability,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you know that, you go through these waves
Speaker 2: where everything's a little bit in limbo, and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of feeling that, so I'm just like, please. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: have this thought that I wish I could have this
Speaker 2: remote where I could fast forward into the future and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to live the next few months. But
Speaker 2: I really did live it interesting, but I woke up
Speaker 2: and I nailed it.
Speaker 1: What are some things? Just speaking on the uncertainty, are
Speaker 1: there things in your life that you know for sure
Speaker 1: that are like undeniable constants.
Speaker 2: Yes, my dog is the best thing in the world.
Speaker 2: I have a really really great group of friends, are
Speaker 2: really small, very small group of friends. And also, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound super cheesy, but I love music, and
Speaker 2: so I always have that to late lean back on.
Speaker 2: Like ever since I was in high school, I was
Speaker 2: just honestly in the corner listening on my.
Speaker 1: CD player, And no one can take that, No one can.
Speaker 2: Take that from you. There's actually it never got released,
Speaker 2: but I wrote a song about it, where there's little
Speaker 2: things that you experienced in your life that brings you
Speaker 2: joy that you discovered yourself, that you don't associate with
Speaker 2: any other person. So whenever you go back to that,
Speaker 2: and for me it's music or you know, particular bands
Speaker 2: or Christmas lights. I love Christmas lights, I always associate
Speaker 2: it with a really good feeling that has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with any other situation or any other person. So
Speaker 2: no one can take that from me. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: that is my happiness. And I did a lot of
Speaker 2: work actually over the pandemic to make sure that the
Speaker 2: happiness that I feel is relyingt on myself.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's a big People come in here
Speaker 1: and they talk about that a lot. And the number
Speaker 1: one thing I feel like I'm always talking to people
Speaker 1: about it is like finding some kind of happiness that
Speaker 1: is within your control. It's not centered around a person,
Speaker 1: not even centered around like a career or sent it
Speaker 1: around anything external.
Speaker 2: Just now.
Speaker 1: My dream in life is I want to be able
Speaker 1: to just be like I want to have like like
Speaker 1: I want to be mentally in a place where like
Speaker 1: I could have no possessions, no friends, no family, no money,
Speaker 1: no anything and still be happy. I'm totally not there.
Speaker 1: That's like some enlightenment. Yeah shit, but I feel like
Speaker 1: that would be the goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually did a lot of work during the
Speaker 2: pandemic on that, and I got to the best place
Speaker 2: I ever have been, and I still am there where
Speaker 2: I just you know, wasn't looking for anything. I didn't
Speaker 2: need anything external to feed what I needed to be happy,
Speaker 2: and I just focused on things that again no one
Speaker 2: could take from me and made me happy because again,
Speaker 2: we're all alone at the time, and a lot of
Speaker 2: things run certain. That was super limbo for me and
Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, I had. I'd been
Speaker 2: touring for so long, I never stopped traveling, and I
Speaker 2: was just like alone, What are.
Speaker 1: Some things that you're uncertain about now?
Speaker 2: I just I think, just as an artist, you're always
Speaker 2: uncertain because I wake up every day and my life
Speaker 2: is I get up, take my dog for a walk,
Speaker 2: get back in, work on music, or do something like this,
Speaker 2: and I don't know externally my perception, so I'm always
Speaker 2: kind of like, creatively, I'm not doing it to please
Speaker 2: anyone else. It's just for myself. So I think sometimes
Speaker 2: when I do think too much about that, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh fuckle, think about how like you're perceived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I don't really when I don't
Speaker 2: think about it, it's not not how I'm perceived. Actually, weirdly,
Speaker 2: I've never really cared about that.
Speaker 1: You've never cared about you, like when you were like
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you when I was at
Speaker 1: the like in middle school, that's like all a lot
Speaker 1: of people care about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I actually have a crazy reaka moment that happened
Speaker 2: to me in eighth grade because I was really heavily
Speaker 2: bullied in high school, super bullied. I did not have
Speaker 2: a good school time at all, to the point where
Speaker 2: I moved schools to a music school because no one
Speaker 2: got me what.
Speaker 1: Was your your WEEKA moment.
Speaker 2: I went to. So in Australia, it's composed compulsory to
Speaker 2: wear a school uniform, whatever school you go to, and
Speaker 2: then we have these things called mufty days, which is
Speaker 2: like our playing clothes day every once in a while.
Speaker 2: And I think my dress sense has actually never changed.
Speaker 2: But I was in like a really oversized Beetles T
Speaker 2: shirt with the four beetles and it said let it
Speaker 2: be on the bottom, and then these terrible like zip
Speaker 2: off cargo pants, which I kind of fuck with now.
Speaker 2: And I had, you know, like the strands and like
Speaker 2: the dyed black hair, and I just kind of was
Speaker 2: in the corner playing cello and this the very pretty
Speaker 2: popular girl that I wanted to. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I want someone to like me. And because
Speaker 2: I was with my sister jokes, She's like, you were
Speaker 2: that because we went to the same school. She's like,
Speaker 2: you were that weird kid on like the hill at lunch,
Speaker 2: like rolling around eating grapes by yourself, and it's very specific.
Speaker 1: But then you grow up and that becomes a niche the.
Speaker 2: Hill kid, I guess, yeah, being the hill kid, Well, yeah, two,
Speaker 2: you reaca moment. So that day, this girl who I
Speaker 2: will not name, but remember her name very very well.
Speaker 2: She walked in in front of my whole class and
Speaker 2: everyone used to be like, oh, she's a loser. And
Speaker 2: she was like, what are you wearing? What is that?
Speaker 2: What is that? And I was like, oh, is that
Speaker 2: like your band or something? Loser?
Speaker 1: She said that about your Beatles T shirt that you
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, bro, this is the day when I realized
Speaker 2: that none of y'all are cool and the Beatles. Like
Speaker 2: the fact that you just said that about the Beatles
Speaker 2: makes you so uncool that I don't give a.
Speaker 1: I asked your question. So you do you remember this
Speaker 1: girl's name? You don't have to say it, But what
Speaker 1: do you think she is doing?
Speaker 2: I know what she's doing now. I'm a Scorpio moon,
Speaker 2: so I know what.
Speaker 1: Are you big into astrology? Not really Scorpio? So from
Speaker 1: what I do, I don't know a lot about astrology,
Speaker 1: but Scorpio is the one that like people, I'm.
Speaker 2: A seriously psycho. No, I'm kidding, no, but I did.
Speaker 2: I did actually think about it recently and I went
Speaker 2: and checked on I found her on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Yeah did you reach out?
Speaker 2: No? No, But there's a few of them. When I
Speaker 2: remember in twenty fifteen when I first played Coachella, a
Speaker 2: bunch of them were like, Hey, it's blah blah remember
Speaker 2: me from school?
Speaker 1: Are you the type of person? Do you do you
Speaker 1: hold grudges? Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: Or I don't hold grudges? No, because I feel like
Speaker 2: there's this like heaviness in your gut and your gut
Speaker 2: has another brain. You know, I don't like to do that,
Speaker 2: but I don't forget okay, So like I.
Speaker 1: Just do you hold when you're playing Coachella and all
Speaker 1: of the people in middle school who bullied you reach
Speaker 1: out and they're like, oh my god, I was so
Speaker 1: happy for you, are like can.
Speaker 2: I get a ticket? I'm like no, no.
Speaker 1: But are you in the back of your mind are
Speaker 1: you like fuck these people?
Speaker 2: Like no, I'm just kind of like, huh.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like is it okay? And then
Speaker 1: so on the other side is like a vinda, do
Speaker 1: you feel like vindicated in a way?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, validated?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I made it out on top. No.
Speaker 2: Actually, weirdly people have asked me that before and I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Like, internally me as a person, I
Speaker 2: don't feel different from that kid in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: So for me, this isn't era rolling around the hill.
Speaker 2: Still rolling around the hill eating grapes. But like, this
Speaker 2: isn't a revenge thing that doesn't motivate me. What motivates
Speaker 2: me to get on top is literally just because I'm
Speaker 2: so I like being creative and I like trying new things,
Speaker 2: and I'm competitive with myself, so that's not really what
Speaker 2: I look to but it is kind of funny. I'm like, huh, well.
Speaker 1: It ties back into what we were talking about, because,
Speaker 1: like you, if you were to be you know, compelled
Speaker 1: by wanting to show other people that you made it,
Speaker 1: that would be an external thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not really how to operate. I think, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. It's not what satisfies me. And I've said
Speaker 2: this a billion times. I've been broke, like bankrupt broke before,
Speaker 2: and I've been able to afford things. I've had both
Speaker 2: and for me, living richly is being happy internally and
Speaker 2: like being able to have my two feet on the
Speaker 2: ground every day and like being okay with where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You know, And in the times when you were broke,
Speaker 1: did you have that perspective? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did. Actually weirdly, I was like, okay, I'm okay,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I worked out what gratitude was, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, I might be eating tuna out
Speaker 2: of a can for a bit, but firstly, I can
Speaker 2: work my way out of this. There are options, like
Speaker 2: I don't want to give up, and I can get
Speaker 2: out of this, and I did. I just had to
Speaker 2: fucking work hard. It's like it's you can make it
Speaker 2: out of anywhere. And again, I have this song called
Speaker 2: Forever and it applies to this, but it will feel
Speaker 2: like forever until it doesn't. But as long as you
Speaker 2: know that. Actually, when I was I was in New
Speaker 2: Zealand for a bit last year and I was quarantining.
Speaker 2: They make you quarantine, like the army takes you off
Speaker 2: the plane and puts you in like a room for
Speaker 2: two weeks and like you're not allowed to leave. It's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. But I had a friend who I
Speaker 2: met there where we'd have an hour out and we'd
Speaker 2: walk around in circles in the yard like like jail.
Speaker 2: It felt like a jail.
Speaker 1: Really. Oh yeah, I remember New Zealand was very hardcore
Speaker 1: on the quarantine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he turned out to be randomly Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: He's the coach of Zoe Sinnert. No, she's she's a
Speaker 2: a like an Olympic gold medalist like snowboarder. And he
Speaker 2: was teaching me a thing called the pit and I
Speaker 2: use it all the time now. And he's like, if
Speaker 2: you want to achieve something higher than where you are now,
Speaker 2: example being fucking broke or whatever, it is being in
Speaker 2: an abusive relationship, trying to get out of it, or
Speaker 2: feeling suicidal or not being happy in yourself. Internally, there
Speaker 2: is a thing called the pit or work. If you
Speaker 2: want to be the fucking best in the world at
Speaker 2: what you do, that's not easy.
Speaker 1: What is the pit?
Speaker 2: So the pit is like so you have to imagine
Speaker 2: you're at the top of a pit, and then in
Speaker 2: order to get to the next level, you have to
Speaker 2: go down and get back out of it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can't be afraid of.
Speaker 2: Guaranteed you're going to be in that dip at some point.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta dip that you gotta well, you know,
Speaker 1: we were talking, we were talking a little bit before
Speaker 1: the cameras started rolling about. You played Red Rocks, and
Speaker 1: you were talking about like being nervous beforehand, and I'm
Speaker 1: on a tour right now and I get really nerves beforehand.
Speaker 1: I feel like that those nerves Like that's that's a
Speaker 1: bit of a dip you have. You have to be
Speaker 1: in your head about like, oh fuck, what if this happens?
Speaker 1: What if? You know whatever, You gotta move through that,
Speaker 1: and then on the other side is like holy shit,
Speaker 1: I just played for me.
Speaker 2: The dip was actually prepping for Red Rocks. It was
Speaker 2: like the months like getting to it and making my set,
Speaker 2: writing the string parts, you know, organizing all the instrumentals
Speaker 2: and making it like like the visuals. Everything that was
Speaker 2: the pit, Like I didn't sleep and no one sees
Speaker 2: outside of it, you know, they see the top of the.
Speaker 1: Eyes pidl but I you rocking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like so so hyper focused on that
Speaker 2: for months, where I don't know, you know, when you're
Speaker 2: like working too hard and you like sit up and
Speaker 2: you've forgotten to eat, and your hair's kind of greasy
Speaker 2: but everywhere, and you're start getting at it was at
Speaker 2: that point I couldn't see, like I couldn't interact with people.
Speaker 2: I was doing that, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm in the pit. But it's okay because now I
Speaker 2: know that I'm in the pit. The only way to
Speaker 2: get out of the pit is get back fucking.
Speaker 1: Out of it. It takes a lot of I'm noticing,
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time and a lot of
Speaker 1: repetition and going through the pit to be able to
Speaker 1: zoom out so that when things are going, when things
Speaker 1: are going badly. You're not like, oh, it's going to
Speaker 1: be like this forever because you've ridden that way, and
Speaker 1: then when things are going good, you're like, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be like.
Speaker 2: No, when I think it's going good, I literally tweet
Speaker 2: the other day why am I on my I have
Speaker 2: like a side Twitter, and I'm like, why am I
Speaker 2: feeling guilty when I'm happy? Which is like the biggest
Speaker 2: thing that I deal with is when I'm feeling happy,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this can't And I think it's just like
Speaker 2: a defense mechanism because you know, we have so many
Speaker 2: failures in our lives. Like again, also the pit, you
Speaker 2: can't be a fail afraid to fail.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's good stuff in the pit.
Speaker 2: There's good stuff, and there's failure in the pit. You
Speaker 2: you have to fail sometime to get out of. Like
Speaker 2: the pit means your like failure, but failure means that
Speaker 2: you've learned something to make you stronger to get out
Speaker 2: of the pit.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're on a we're on a good
Speaker 1: motivational role here. Do you want to Should we take
Speaker 1: some calls?
Speaker 2: Tell yeah, let's help with some pits.
Speaker 1: Hugh, you're on the phone with me and Alice in Wonderland.
Speaker 1: Is is there anything in particular that you you called
Speaker 1: in to talk about.
Speaker 4: Well, there's one thing more so than others. But I
Speaker 4: have a whole multitude multitude of things that I can
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's let's start. Let the one the one thing that
Speaker 1: you said is more than others. Let's focus on that
Speaker 1: one thing. What is that one thing?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 4: So I got in a little bit of trouble when
Speaker 4: I was fifteen, and then I got my pilot plcens.
Speaker 4: I got my pilot plcense before I turned twenty one,
Speaker 4: and then, uh, that thing didn't show up on my
Speaker 4: medical record. But then now that I renewed my medical
Speaker 4: and I'm twenty six now, a year and a half
Speaker 4: after getting my newest medical, the FAA sends me a
Speaker 4: really nice letter in the mail. Pay Hey, your medical
Speaker 4: is not technically invalid, but don't fly anymore because.
Speaker 5: We need to take a look at this.
Speaker 1: Let's sum this all up here. Huge, Okay, So, from
Speaker 1: what I understand about your situation, Hugh, you were when
Speaker 1: you were fifteen, you had a DUI that what happened.
Speaker 2: But you said that it wasn't It was dismissed, right, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a sponge. So I got a deal
Speaker 4: called juvenile I had a juvenile court option or that
Speaker 4: gave me what was called informal judgment, and ultimately he
Speaker 4: had three options. One the first option was hand me
Speaker 4: over to the bot and say try this kid as
Speaker 4: a as an adult and like throw the book at him.
Speaker 4: He's a terrible kid. The second option is what he
Speaker 4: typically does and just wipe his hands clean, like slaunch
Speaker 4: the pilot and it says, do whatever you want to him.
Speaker 4: And then the third option is what he did. And
Speaker 4: so there's no court know anything, and then everything is
Speaker 4: a sponge for my record. The only thing that I
Speaker 4: have is an arrest record.
Speaker 2: Right, that's weird. I didn't know how that works in America.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2: Can you speak to a lawyer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I never had a lawyer, Like I said,
Speaker 4: I had a so since I was a juvenile, I
Speaker 4: was under eighteen, I went to this guy. I can't
Speaker 4: think of his name for the life of me, but
Speaker 4: he's a juvenile court officer and he determined like ultimately,
Speaker 4: like what to do and specific situations like that.
Speaker 2: So well he sounds like ya, he knew that family
Speaker 2: and he knew that.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, he definitely knows more than I do.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, like if it was expunged or whatever,
Speaker 2: then you shouldn't have a criminal record. So someone sounds like.
Speaker 4: Record, I don't have a criminal record. I just have
Speaker 4: an arrest.
Speaker 5: Record like q q.
Speaker 3: Q q q Q.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fly planes, I do before you fly planes?
Speaker 1: Do you ever drink a bunch of alcohol?
Speaker 4: I've never, and I promise you this. I so there's
Speaker 4: a thing that pilots have. And then eight eight hours
Speaker 4: between model and throttle, which means you have to give
Speaker 4: it at least eight hours before one drink before you
Speaker 4: can five wan.
Speaker 1: And do you do you religiously follow the rules of
Speaker 1: bottle and to throttle?
Speaker 4: Absolutely well.
Speaker 1: I believe you.
Speaker 2: I actually believe you.
Speaker 1: And look, you know me and Allison were no Federal
Speaker 1: Aviation Administration.
Speaker 2: But you don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that Allison could
Speaker 1: be a secret FA agent.
Speaker 2: I think if there's a on your record that does
Speaker 2: an arrest from when you were fifteen, I believe, isn't
Speaker 2: it when you're eighteen it gets cleared and then they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be on your record? Is that a thing or
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? And is that a thing in Australia?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did I just dream that?
Speaker 1: Possibly that's an interesting thing to dream.
Speaker 2: But I feel like if it's juvenile, it doesn't apply
Speaker 2: when you're an adult. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Hugh? If you need us to show up in court
Speaker 1: in the gecko suits and testify for you, we will.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's the important thing I think you
Speaker 1: should glean.
Speaker 2: That is this that I'm down? But is it? So
Speaker 2: then your medical records, when they're trying to do your
Speaker 2: medical or whatever, it's saying you hadn't you had an
Speaker 2: arrest when you're fifteen, That's that's the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's a betting that's done, like with the
Speaker 4: doctor that you get your medical from, and which I
Speaker 4: mean he makes sure that you can see, you can hear,
Speaker 4: and you can do all that. But then there's also
Speaker 4: like a mental betting. So he makes sure that you're
Speaker 4: mentally able to fly a plane, and then he makes
Speaker 4: sure that there's no like underlying issues like with alcohol
Speaker 4: or drugs or anything like.
Speaker 1: That, and he cleared me.
Speaker 4: So but then but then a year and a half later,
Speaker 4: after I got the most frequent medical I don't know
Speaker 4: if the FA just have a backlog of you know,
Speaker 4: here's all of these potential pilots that I you know,
Speaker 4: we'll have a drug or alcohol problem.
Speaker 1: Oh so I guess you're allowed to fly the planet,
Speaker 1: but you're on a list of like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: might be boozing.
Speaker 4: I maybe now I don't know about that, but like.
Speaker 1: Listen, letter, what if you made a badge?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what if you made a badge when you
Speaker 2: flew that said hey, I have a record of being arrested,
Speaker 2: but I was fifteen, and it was clear I'd feel
Speaker 2: good about that that you're being honest, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, you should actually should start out, you
Speaker 1: know how you have your opening announcements onto the plane.
Speaker 1: You can you can mention that listening. When I was fifteen,
Speaker 1: I got super drunk and I drove a car. But
Speaker 1: you know that's just what happens when you're fifteen.
Speaker 2: And they let me off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and folks, as much fun is what I'm
Speaker 1: super drunk and fly this plane, I won't do it.
Speaker 2: I think you should just walk around whatever you're doing
Speaker 2: at all times with that badge, and that should be
Speaker 2: like your social media tagline. I think you should own it, Hugh, do.
Speaker 1: Any of these solutions that we've attempted to provide you
Speaker 1: speak to you?
Speaker 4: I no, I just found one story.
Speaker 1: Well listen, Hugh. Is there anything else I to say
Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: I love you all while I've been listening to you
Speaker 4: literally all day. I've been working fourteen hours today hauling
Speaker 4: grain to be Alison. I know of you, and I
Speaker 4: know of the music, but I'm gonna give it a
Speaker 4: little bit more.
Speaker 3: Of a listener.
Speaker 1: You should hell yeah, I like that. Thank you for
Speaker 1: calling you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: For calling well, thank you for taking.
Speaker 1: My right He cut off at the end. What do
Speaker 1: you think of Hugh in his situation?
Speaker 2: I think that you. I think it's more an internal
Speaker 2: thing than an external thing. Really like, I feel like
Speaker 2: no one's again. You know, everyone has their own narrative
Speaker 2: going on in their heads.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, the FAA has their narrative. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like a fun badge yeah, or a
Speaker 2: T shirt yeah, just kind of owning it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. I like I feel like when you're
Speaker 1: when you're fifteen, you know you you shouldn't be I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know to what
Speaker 1: degree you should be held to the standards of what
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: Was like for you're fifteen, that they would wipe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to google that.
Speaker 1: Well. I'm glad, I'm I'm glad that there are systems
Speaker 1: in place to, like, you know, well, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: I thought there were ye to make it so that
Speaker 1: if you fucked up when you were a kid, you
Speaker 1: could still go on as an adult to live a
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Yeah, I wonder if it applies to
Speaker 2: every type of crime.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you kill someone at fifteen, you
Speaker 1: you have to you have.
Speaker 2: To answer for that, Like, yeah, no, for sure. Huh
Speaker 2: So I don't I thought that things get scrubbed after
Speaker 2: juvenile age. Anyway, let's speak the badge. I would like
Speaker 2: to see that badge if you do.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Chase in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Okay, Philly, Hey.
Speaker 1: Is this Chase?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: This as wow?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Lyle and Allison.
Speaker 6: Hey, holy shit, Hey guys, how.
Speaker 1: Are you We're doing good? How are you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Pretty good? Little surprised, but pretty good.
Speaker 1: Chase, What is it that you wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: us about today?
Speaker 6: So in the past couple of years, I have gotten
Speaker 6: the opportunity to uh be an animator for my profession,
Speaker 6: which is, you know, really amazing and I've worked really
Speaker 6: hard for it and uh kind of a goal that
Speaker 6: I had for a long time. But uh late I've
Speaker 6: been feeling like kind of the anxiety of having that
Speaker 6: goal is uh uh, or like the anxiety of possibly
Speaker 6: losing this position that I have is kind of usurping
Speaker 6: the joy that I get out of the job now.
Speaker 1: So interesting. I feel like that's thematically similar to some
Speaker 1: stuff that we were talking about.
Speaker 2: Really just talking about that, and I think as a
Speaker 2: creative it's so important to not feel like your job
Speaker 2: is a job, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, yeah, I definitely do.
Speaker 2: And what's giving you the anxiety? Like it is it
Speaker 2: people that you're working with, or.
Speaker 6: It's mainly just like sorry, it's mainly just like the
Speaker 6: kind of the thought of like, oh man, what happens
Speaker 6: to my life if I if I don't get this
Speaker 6: or if this if I fuck up somehow basically, or
Speaker 6: if they don't have the money anymore? Then exactly if
Speaker 6: I go back to the pit, I climb my way
Speaker 6: out of the pit. Now what happens if I go.
Speaker 2: Back, Well, if you go back, it'll make you stronger.
Speaker 2: The one advice I will give you, just from my
Speaker 2: own experience of many times having that similar thought, so
Speaker 2: just so you know you're not alone and very valid,
Speaker 2: is you cannot be scared to fail, because you've got
Speaker 2: to fail eventually. It's something you just have to know
Speaker 2: and be prepared that that's okay and that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: But if you don't put yourself out there, you're never
Speaker 2: going to know either way. And then if you do fail, whatever,
Speaker 2: then you try another way to do it. And again
Speaker 2: there's always options, there's always ways to do it. And
Speaker 2: if you you just have to work hard and see
Speaker 2: what happens and put yourself out there honestly, or you're
Speaker 2: just going to be you know, you don't want to
Speaker 2: be really old and go what if you know?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's honestly all really good advice. I also wanted
Speaker 6: to ask you guys, like probably you both can relate
Speaker 6: to this when you are achieving or like really trying
Speaker 6: to get a goal or something like that, and then
Speaker 6: you get it. Usually you go okay, like I need
Speaker 6: to go to the next step where I need to
Speaker 6: keep working or whatever, and something I.
Speaker 5: Think you actually said this earlier else and.
Speaker 6: Like feeling like guilty when you're not really like doing anything,
Speaker 6: or like you're kind of relaxing a little bit. I've
Speaker 6: felt that for the past two years. It's just like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I got here, I got to stay here. And if
Speaker 6: I ever kind of black off a little bit, I'm
Speaker 6: a you know, I don't deserve this position or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know what it's called, and we all have it.
Speaker 2: It's called impost. Like we feel like everyone feels foster.
Speaker 2: Everyone feels like a fraud at some point. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: like up at Red Rocks or Lollapalooza, We're playing this
Speaker 2: show and I'm like, holy fuck, am I like in
Speaker 2: a d MT trip right now? Is this all happen?
Speaker 2: Like you know what, Yes, even if you're in this
Speaker 2: is your d MT trip, Like just that's that's your
Speaker 2: reality right now, and it is happening. The guilt I
Speaker 2: feel is when something really good happens, like in a
Speaker 2: less work, like and I didn't and it just kind
Speaker 2: of came to me because I'm so used to having
Speaker 2: to pit through everything. But I think that, uh, the
Speaker 2: you know, what you should focus on is like what
Speaker 2: can I do next? What's next? Instead of like being
Speaker 2: complacent in where you're at, because I think that keeps
Speaker 2: us driven and excited, and as creatives, it's really important
Speaker 2: to have that excitement and drive towards what's next.
Speaker 1: So to that chance, Uh, what like specifically for you,
Speaker 1: do you think would would be next?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I've kind of been trying to think
Speaker 6: about it, like, uh, I don't know. Like before I
Speaker 6: became where I got this position, it was like a
Speaker 6: really pie in the sky idea for me. So now
Speaker 6: that I've got it, I work in the education sector,
Speaker 6: so I make like, you know, little cartoons for uh,
Speaker 6: you know, two to seven year olds to help them
Speaker 6: like learn English. So I'm like, Okay, since I'm already
Speaker 6: in there, I might as well pivot to another education
Speaker 6: company or something that works like that. And uh, that's
Speaker 6: not necessarily what I really want to do, But if
Speaker 6: I'm working as an animator, I'll be I'll be happy regardless.
Speaker 1: You know what, what is it that you you said
Speaker 1: that that's not necessarily what you want to do. What
Speaker 1: is it that you do want to do?
Speaker 6: I mean the dream is to like, you know, have
Speaker 6: a show on adult Swim and you know, creative and everything.
Speaker 1: So can I can I do you like do YouTube
Speaker 1: or TikTok or anything like that, because I mean, the
Speaker 1: fastest way to have your own show is to just
Speaker 1: start making it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: True, you know I.
Speaker 6: Have an Instagram, but I don't do TikTok. I've been
Speaker 6: trying to hold out. And while I actually emailed you, uh,
Speaker 6: trying to trying to solicit animation services or see if
Speaker 6: you need it at you Well, listen.
Speaker 1: You don't need me. You don't need a belt swim.
Speaker 1: You do need TikTok, you need yourself.
Speaker 2: You like, just do it, because here's the thing people
Speaker 2: like always ask, oh, you know, how do you start
Speaker 2: writing songs? Like how do you do this? Blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blahlah. Just fucking do it, and it's gonna be pit.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be pit for a bit.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be pit for a bit.
Speaker 2: You don't feel like for everyone until it doesn't. But
Speaker 2: you just got to do it. You just got to
Speaker 2: do it. If that's what you want to do, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be like one day like what if,
Speaker 2: like fuck it. You go to your nine to five
Speaker 2: animation job, make really cool cartoons for little kids in English,
Speaker 2: which I love, and then at night just sacrifice a
Speaker 2: couple of hours sleep and just do it. Put yourself
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: You can make all your fucked up Hentai animation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know you got going on in that brand of yours.
Speaker 2: We want to see it, but you should just do it. Honestly,
Speaker 2: the only way that either of us where we're at
Speaker 2: is we've been like, well fuck it, let's just do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, and it sucks.
Speaker 2: It's so much rejection. You're gonna hear a lot of no,
Speaker 2: but just do it.
Speaker 1: How do you?
Speaker 2: How do you?
Speaker 1: How do you feel right now? Chase?
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie. I feel pretty motivated.
Speaker 2: My heart is really good a little bit, don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I should quit my job. And
Speaker 6: just nobody.
Speaker 1: Said no, no, Chase. Nobody said you had to. Nobody Chase. No,
Speaker 1: we're not telling you to stop doing things. We're telling
Speaker 1: you to start. No.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you're gonna have I am mad
Speaker 2: at you, Chase right now. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you keep doing that because also you don't want to
Speaker 2: fuck that up, like there's gonna be people that will
Speaker 2: appear in your life in ten years from that you met,
Speaker 2: from when you met at the animation company, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna be doing it like you've got to do it
Speaker 2: on top of it. Just again, like add a couple
Speaker 2: of hours to your day and just do it, like
Speaker 2: drink some Yoba mate, drink some red Bull whatever you energy.
Speaker 2: Don't do the other illegal things or do it. I don't. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: and just do it, I honestly, because otherwise you're not
Speaker 2: going to do it and it's never gonna happen for you.
Speaker 2: That's that's just real talk, you guys, right.
Speaker 6: And also I was one hundred percent kidding. I would
Speaker 6: I would never ever quit this job. It's less thing
Speaker 6: going to.
Speaker 1: Chase the's anything else you want to say to people
Speaker 1: the computer before we go.
Speaker 6: No, I'm so happy I got to get on Alie
Speaker 6: in Wonderland. You have been really helpful and I really
Speaker 6: appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Lyle.
Speaker 6: Thank You're the best, and I love walking you. Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Chance. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6: Thanks man seated.
Speaker 1: I like that guy. I hope you know motive. He's
Speaker 1: the thing about motivation, about feeling fired up.
Speaker 2: It only lasts for so if you're still watching tonight,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, just fucking make something. Even if it sucks
Speaker 2: and you don't like it, just make it.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have asked him what he wants
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: You're gonna assume it's HENTI I.
Speaker 1: Did assume it was hint well, because I feel like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is, if you have a if you
Speaker 1: have a job like doctor, I'm about to say something
Speaker 1: that's probably made up. But the cool thing about being
Speaker 1: on a podcast is that you can just say stuff
Speaker 1: without having to fact check any of it. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure doctor Seuss made like fuck he made like fucked
Speaker 1: up like sexual cartoons. I think so, because like and
Speaker 1: that make it makes sense. Like if you're like, if
Speaker 1: you like make work like he does with like like children, stuff,
Speaker 1: like everything you make is like all wholesome and like nice,
Speaker 1: You're like, you need a catharsist for all your like
Speaker 1: fucked up ideas, you know what. That's why I assumed
Speaker 1: he's making weird.
Speaker 2: But that's true because everyone that I've met in my
Speaker 2: life that outwardly do really fucked up things and the
Speaker 2: most chill normal people interesting.
Speaker 1: They're getting it out there. Yeah yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: We all have it and like I, you know, like
Speaker 2: people I'm really close to when I first met them,
Speaker 2: their career was blah blah, and then I'd be like,
Speaker 2: oh God, this person's fucked in the head for sure.
Speaker 2: Can I can I?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the thing you were telling me
Speaker 1: about when we were walking from here to the studio
Speaker 1: or do you not want to talk about that?
Speaker 2: What was? It?
Speaker 1: Was the Kermit stuff?
Speaker 2: How much I love Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Like can you told me you had like an album
Speaker 1: of Kermit?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have an album of Kermit fucked up
Speaker 2: Kermit photos on my phone. Yeah, and I look at
Speaker 2: them a lot, like my friends only send me Kermit.
Speaker 2: He's like literally there's there's like they're really offensive.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like miss Piggy like sucking
Speaker 1: his dick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miss Piggy is sucking his dick like him, like
Speaker 2: with his dick out him, like snorting cocaine like him,
Speaker 2: like bondage, like tied up to a bed with like
Speaker 2: there's like really muscly cerment. There's Cowboy Coermit. There's one
Speaker 2: do you know goatsy.
Speaker 1: Is that? Who is there?
Speaker 2: That's a meme? Don't google it. It's where a guy
Speaker 2: has bent over spreading his butthole. Don't google it.
Speaker 1: I want to google it. G O G and he's g.
Speaker 2: O A T people people who know what this is
Speaker 2: on Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 1: Oh, it says four or four.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to look at it. But there's
Speaker 2: I have a Kermit doing that, but he's like a puppet,
Speaker 2: so he's bent over and he's hands of like spreading
Speaker 2: open the puppet hole. That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Where do you find these pictures of Kermit's butthole?
Speaker 2: Honestly, when I like imagine, like my search history is
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: Naked you guys definitely got a tab.
Speaker 2: I just genuinely google like weird Kermit or fucked up
Speaker 2: Kermit or like old Kermit. It's just like there's so
Speaker 2: many things that people have made with Kermit that like
Speaker 2: he's become this thing to me that just brings me
Speaker 2: so much joy because he lived so many.
Speaker 1: Lives and you know, it makes it kind of to
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, Kermit, very wholesome, family friendly show.
Speaker 1: Them up as show he has probably fucked up things.
Speaker 1: That's why he wants to get like tied up, That's
Speaker 1: why he wants to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Within, But I.
Speaker 2: Feel like a lot of people when you're in a
Speaker 2: like you'll notice this in with you know, when you
Speaker 2: watch a documentary of someone and it always it's always
Speaker 2: because they're like so controlled or like they're not you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's why Kermit needs to let loose a little bit.
Speaker 2: Kermit. We need Kermit at the rave.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, I see j How are you sorry? They
Speaker 1: have nothing to apologize for that I know of Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what's what's going on with you?
Speaker 8: Sorry? I am totally flabbergasted. I did not think this
Speaker 8: is going to happen today.
Speaker 1: No, do you need a second? Do you want to
Speaker 1: take a breath?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you one second.
Speaker 1: Take a breath.
Speaker 8: Hang out.
Speaker 1: We're here. We're here with Uh. I'm a gecko. I'm
Speaker 1: here with Alison. She's a gecko as well. We're two geckos.
Speaker 1: We're talking to people on the phone. We're hanging out.
Speaker 1: Not what's going on.
Speaker 8: So I'll kind of tell you what I told the
Speaker 8: call screamer. But like, please, I'm trying to hook up
Speaker 8: with my coworker, but I can't tell if he's really
Speaker 8: like vibing with it or not, because there's a lot
Speaker 8: of layers to like maybe why he wouldn't vibe with it.
Speaker 8: You know what's the ma he would?
Speaker 2: So he said he said he would hook up with
Speaker 2: you to you.
Speaker 8: Yes, So like, do you want me to like explain?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what are these layers that are causing friction
Speaker 1: with this?
Speaker 8: Okay, So I have a fiancee and it's totally consensual
Speaker 8: for me to hook up with other people. He knows
Speaker 8: all about this and everything, so it's not like I'm
Speaker 8: doing this behind their back or anything. Sure, the coworker,
Speaker 8: but the co worker, he had a thing with one
Speaker 8: of our other co workers and it's still very like
Speaker 8: up in the air if they're going to like get
Speaker 8: together or not. So, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you be down to like fuck this guy
Speaker 2: just for your own satisfaction and stead the pot with
Speaker 2: this girl? Like are you friends with this girl?
Speaker 6: No, I'm not.
Speaker 8: I only worked there like on the weekends, if anything,
Speaker 8: like maybe once a month.
Speaker 1: Can I ask when you say it's a job, when
Speaker 1: you say it's up in the air that they might
Speaker 1: get together. What exactly does that mean?
Speaker 8: So from what.
Speaker 9: I've been told of, the situation is basically like he
Speaker 9: liked her and she liked him, and they were talking,
Speaker 9: and then she went away to school very far away
Speaker 9: and said, like I don't want to like have a relationship.
Speaker 3: I'm gone, you know.
Speaker 8: Okay, So she said that or like not that she
Speaker 8: didn't want to that. It was like a heavy Oh,
Speaker 8: maybe we'll get.
Speaker 2: Together and is she coming back same?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And that's like another thing is we're all supposed to
Speaker 8: go out as like a group this weekend and she's
Speaker 8: gonna be there.
Speaker 2: I would suss it out this weekend.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, that's the thing about like
Speaker 1: having sex with your coworkers and is like if things
Speaker 1: get weird, it's like now it's it's an It's infiltrated
Speaker 1: your day to day life. You have to see these
Speaker 1: people all the time.
Speaker 2: Like is this just a sex sexual thing for you
Speaker 2: or is the feelings involved?
Speaker 8: This is mostly just a sexual thing for me, Like
Speaker 8: she's definitely my friend and like I have had like
Speaker 8: a little baby crush, you know. But then we like
Speaker 8: talked about like the dynamic of like kind of how
Speaker 8: this would go, and it just kind of solidified for
Speaker 8: me that no, this would just be like you are
Speaker 8: my friends with benefits.
Speaker 2: You know, do you think if you did this, if
Speaker 2: you're looking at long game and big picture, and the
Speaker 2: other girl was involved, it would get messy if she
Speaker 2: found out.
Speaker 8: I I don't know, because we recently talked about like
Speaker 8: her and him having a conversation, and every time he
Speaker 8: tells me about her, it seems like she's very uninterested
Speaker 8: in being with him, and like she's trying to beat
Speaker 8: around the bush of letting him down.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, this guy is single.
Speaker 2: It's up to him.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, this guy's single. The green light, you're you've
Speaker 1: got the green light. You're in an open relationship. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's this girl? Why is this girl? She's
Speaker 1: all the way over in what Europe or something, and
Speaker 1: she's influencing things going on over here.
Speaker 2: So she's not his girlfriend and they haven't made a
Speaker 2: committed decision to be with each other exclusively. It's not
Speaker 2: up to you to make that decision, yeah, And like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is really up to him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Like we've tried to like arrange actually, like
Speaker 8: you know, doing the deed, and every time I end
Speaker 8: up being busy, and I end up being busy, and
Speaker 8: then the next time I like bring it up, I'm like,
Speaker 8: I'm not busy right now, Like we could do it,
Speaker 8: and he's like yeah, but I'm just like going through
Speaker 8: it like about her. So it's not like I worry
Speaker 8: that if I like put it on too strong, he'll
Speaker 8: be like, oh, but I'm so emotionally messed up now
Speaker 8: from like, but.
Speaker 2: Doing this, you've given him opportunity, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I say this? I I any like in this
Speaker 1: in the whole romantic sexual sphere of life when things
Speaker 1: should be you know, fairly clear. And I hope that
Speaker 1: you are not losing sleep over this, yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is like this just sounds so annoying.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's going to drain you.
Speaker 1: It's just like annoying and like, don't just don't waste
Speaker 1: time on it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he Okay, from what I'm hearing is
Speaker 2: if he wanted to, he would, right he And he's
Speaker 2: maybe enjoying the attention that you're giving him as a
Speaker 2: distraction from this girl. And I'm just I just think,
Speaker 2: like you can do better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go find like, go and find someone who's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I will be there.
Speaker 2: In five minutes. And he's like, you know you want that,
Speaker 2: you want someone who like it's too much effort for
Speaker 2: someone that you're not going to be in a relationship with.
Speaker 2: It is just like, just go find like another dick.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about all of that? CJ?
Speaker 2: I love that for you have options.
Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know, I have this weird thing
Speaker 8: whenever people are like too gung ho about me that
Speaker 8: I'm like, it'll leave me alone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: It's some sort of attraction to the chase, and I'm
Speaker 8: just and I also enjoy the attention.
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, so are you are? Are you both enjoying
Speaker 1: just fucking with each other?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you just have to stop chasing him and
Speaker 2: just like enjoy the attention and then it's up to him. Really, honestly,
Speaker 2: at this point, you've given him so many opportunities.
Speaker 1: CJ. Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 8: Live your life and have a good one?
Speaker 1: Hell you too, man, It's good.
Speaker 2: It's a good one. Hell yeah to CJ.
Speaker 1: I liked CJ that hurt my brain a little bit.
Speaker 2: Though, I honestly was just like, if you wanted to,
Speaker 2: he would, yeah, straight up, and she deserves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know that. It was just
Speaker 1: a lot of it was just a lot of effort,
Speaker 1: Like she knows, like she knew too much about that,
Speaker 1: about that girl, Like why do we even know this?
Speaker 1: Why do we know that she's what it was?
Speaker 2: To keep it simple if it's going to be like
Speaker 2: a sex thing again, clarity and keep it simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, How are you feeling, Alison? How are you
Speaker 1: enjoying being a get goo and talking to.
Speaker 2: People on the phone, loving and living my life?
Speaker 1: Beautiful? Beautiful?
Speaker 2: Great, everyone's awesome.
Speaker 1: Everyone's been really cool. You know what I love about this?
Speaker 1: And you know, when I first started doing this, I
Speaker 1: was like I didn't even screen the calls. I was like,
Speaker 1: people are just going to call in and like yell
Speaker 1: things and not in actual conversations. But time and time
Speaker 1: again we do this stream and people call in and
Speaker 1: they have things going on in their lives that they
Speaker 1: want to talk about.
Speaker 2: You know what, you probably feel crazy before you say it,
Speaker 2: and then when you say it out loud and someone's like,
Speaker 2: I totally what you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people in chat are like, holy shit, I feel this.
Speaker 2: You totally feel not alone anymore and validated. I'm actually
Speaker 2: so impressed that she was just like, had that chat
Speaker 2: with I would never be I'd be so bad at that.
Speaker 2: I've never been able to be like, yo, so would
Speaker 2: you hook up with me?
Speaker 1: Like? I've never oh with the guy with.
Speaker 2: Just the guy like no, no, not like the guy
Speaker 2: like going up to someone in general and saying that
Speaker 2: to me, do.
Speaker 1: You hook up with me?
Speaker 2: I could never could never do.
Speaker 1: I respect that she has the uh, the the gusta
Speaker 1: like before and about it. I'm sure the guy appreciates
Speaker 1: it too, because it's good to know what people are
Speaker 1: thinking and feeling about things.
Speaker 2: There's no way I would be able to do it.
Speaker 2: I'd be terrible at it, be like so egg plant
Speaker 2: emergeny question mark.
Speaker 5: Mike, Hey, wile Alison, how are you hello?
Speaker 1: What's up? Dude?
Speaker 5: Not too much? I'm excited, be on. I didn't think
Speaker 5: this would happen.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, uh, I never thought that I would
Speaker 1: be sitting here in a get go suit. I don't
Speaker 1: think Alison ever thought she was sitting here in a
Speaker 1: get go suit.
Speaker 2: It's the best thing that's happened.
Speaker 1: All three of us are currently existing in a situation
Speaker 1: we never thought whatever happened, so we all share that
Speaker 1: in common. What's going on with Mike?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, speaking of things that we never thought
Speaker 5: would happen. Part of the reason I called today is
Speaker 5: because today I'm at a point in my life where
Speaker 5: I'm proud to say I've been sober for over five years.
Speaker 5: And six years ago, I thank you, yeah. And six
Speaker 5: years ago, I was like on the verge of death,
Speaker 5: didn't want to exist any longer. And so the fact
Speaker 5: that I'm here where I am now, and I'm not
Speaker 5: going to give all the details and tell my whole story,
Speaker 5: but I'm kicking ass in life right now. I'm so
Speaker 5: proud of myself. My family relationships are incredible, my career
Speaker 5: has skyrocketed. But most importantly, I'm just like proud of
Speaker 5: me and who I am. And I try my best
Speaker 5: to use Yeah. So, you know, I make efforts in
Speaker 5: like the Sobriety and Recovery community to help other people,
Speaker 5: other younger men who have had similar struggles and you know,
Speaker 5: share a bit of my story and experience strength and
Speaker 5: hope to help them out and in that realm I'm comfortable.
Speaker 5: And then I have like the career world, like the
Speaker 5: professional people mis their business, and this is business people
Speaker 5: where I almost feel like I have to hide a
Speaker 5: bit of myself because when I'm at work, I've had
Speaker 5: the same job for seven years, there's not many people
Speaker 5: left that even knew I was struggling with alcoholism, that
Speaker 5: even had any idea something was going on. So at
Speaker 5: the workplace and in another side business I do, many
Speaker 5: people just know I don't drink, and usually when that
Speaker 5: comes up, where a drink is offered to me, I
Speaker 5: just say, hey, I'm not interested, like not my thing,
Speaker 5: and usually they're like, ah, cool, and they just assume
Speaker 5: it's because they know them in the working out, or
Speaker 5: they just think I'm being healthy or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: But so, is.
Speaker 1: This aspect of your life something that you are are
Speaker 1: afraid of talking to people about or ashamed of people knowing?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 5: In the last I'd say, I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 5: going to concrete time on it. But in the last
Speaker 5: two years I've been I turned a corner where like
Speaker 5: when I get to know new people, one of the
Speaker 5: first things I'll tell them is that I don't drink,
Speaker 5: and I don't know why that changed, but it feels
Speaker 5: important to tell people and I'm proud of it. But
Speaker 5: the part that is difficult to discuss and where I
Speaker 5: like why I'm hearing this call reaching out for some
Speaker 5: help and guidance because is in my drinking. I caused
Speaker 5: a lot of wreckage. I'd like family for a year
Speaker 5: for a while, didn't want anything to do with me,
Speaker 5: and I got three DUIs And anyone in the US
Speaker 5: know what that knows what that means. You lose your
Speaker 5: license for ten years. So people that meet me now
Speaker 5: can't even fathom that that's something that's going on with me.
Speaker 5: So I have like a quote unquote professional job, and
Speaker 5: you know, if you look at people don't think alcoholic
Speaker 5: when they see me. And that lack of having a
Speaker 5: license has been preventing has been holding me back. And
Speaker 5: it's a personal battle more so than anything. Because I'm
Speaker 5: not afraid to tell people I don't drink, but when
Speaker 5: there's a social engagement or something going on and it
Speaker 5: involves driving or I need a car to get there,
Speaker 5: I keep finding myself making excuses to not go because
Speaker 5: I'm afraid someone's going to find out or ask what
Speaker 5: like find out I don't have a car, or ask
Speaker 5: like why I'm not driving and I don't have a
Speaker 5: good answer for that.
Speaker 1: As so you're afraid that people will find out about
Speaker 1: the three DUIs.
Speaker 5: Right, and so a perfect example microcosmo of this is
Speaker 5: last Friday, some friends from work went out and it
Speaker 5: sounded like a good time. I was game to go
Speaker 5: out and experiences for them, and it was. But then
Speaker 5: when they told me the location, it was like forty
Speaker 5: minutes in the wrong direction away from work, and I
Speaker 5: didn't like, there's no public transportation. That was a good option,
Speaker 5: and Uber is always an option too, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: they're going to see me pull up in an Uber
Speaker 5: and call for a neubrun away home and couldn't ask
Speaker 5: that question.
Speaker 1: So also, you seem like you have some thoughts, so
Speaker 1: many thoughts.
Speaker 2: Firstly, congratulations Again, I was very intimately close with an
Speaker 2: addict for a many amount of years who's now sober,
Speaker 2: yeah and amazing, But during that time did a lot
Speaker 2: of damage and was a completely different person. And I
Speaker 2: was literally right next to them the entire time whilst
Speaker 2: they were in that and recovery. So I understand how
Speaker 2: difficult that is. And I honestly think you're incredibly strong
Speaker 2: and fucking cool for that, for sobering up and getting
Speaker 2: a life together, because it's very difficult, and I've seen
Speaker 2: it firsthand and and it was actually really hard for
Speaker 2: me to I had to go to alan On to
Speaker 2: deal with my side of it, because you know, you
Speaker 2: have to forgive that. And so I think there's like
Speaker 2: a lot of heaviness when you think about the reason
Speaker 2: why you can't drive associated with why you can't drive.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually the fact that you can't drive,
Speaker 2: because to be honest, I don't fucking drive in this
Speaker 2: country at all. I take it was everywhere because I
Speaker 2: don't know. But I think because I think there's like
Speaker 2: just a trauma and maybe like something that you don't
Speaker 2: even realize that it's like associated with the narrative of
Speaker 2: you not driving that's making you feel embarrassed when again,
Speaker 2: everyone I doubt firstly is going to notice that you're
Speaker 2: taking an uber or question it. If you're going on
Speaker 2: a night out, doesn't matter even if you don't drink.
Speaker 2: And I think it's you also don't owe anyone an explanation.
Speaker 2: You set your own bou for that if they do ask,
Speaker 2: and they should be able to respect that. And I
Speaker 2: think just knowing that you, like, yes, that is something
Speaker 2: that that happened in its ten years because you had
Speaker 2: three DUIs and you don't don't have a license anymore.
Speaker 2: But focusing on that one negative compared to the amazing
Speaker 2: positives that you've just told us that are like incredible
Speaker 2: and not many people get to recover like that is
Speaker 2: like maybe limiting you a little bit, Dad, Do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think, like, yeah, I think it's not a
Speaker 2: it's a big deal in your head because you associate
Speaker 2: it with such a dark time in your life, But outwardly,
Speaker 2: I really don't think that people are thinking like that
Speaker 2: because it's not their experience.
Speaker 5: Now I feel that, I know, my mind jumps to
Speaker 5: the worst possible outcome of them saying, look in my
Speaker 5: googling my name and saying that the uys come up
Speaker 5: and that that is irrational, right, Like I get that
Speaker 5: as I'm saying it to you.
Speaker 2: But even if I did, moment, yeah, but even if
Speaker 2: they did, you go, yeah, okay. But now I work
Speaker 2: with the community. I've turned my entire fucking life around.
Speaker 2: I've been sober for five years, and it was it
Speaker 2: was being rock bottom changed my life for the better.
Speaker 2: Like that's a you can turn that into a positive.
Speaker 2: It's actually not a negative thing. If you've gotten out
Speaker 2: of it. It's actually so inspirational, more than you realize.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that coming from you or from anyone really,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I need to hear that again and again
Speaker 5: and again, because I myself talk sometimes talks me in
Speaker 5: the wrong direction. But you know, right now, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: feeling pretty good about that, you know. And I got
Speaker 5: to practice, you know. I think if I just do
Speaker 5: it more often, it'll get easier again.
Speaker 2: And and no one if you're honest, firstly, you don't
Speaker 2: have to you don't owe anyone anything. But secondly, if
Speaker 2: you're honest, and I mean, this is a success story,
Speaker 2: it's not a fail story. It's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's true. I'm worried that, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm worried about the perception of DUIs and criminals, like
Speaker 5: I'm a bad person. But really, you're right, Like I
Speaker 5: just need to put myself out there. They don't take
Speaker 5: me for who I am. Then that's that's their loss.
Speaker 5: I guess you know, I got.
Speaker 1: To well, you know, look, Mike, Mike, I think in
Speaker 1: thinking about uh, you know, criminality and thinking about you know,
Speaker 1: labeling yourself as bad or good is is a little unproductive.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, where you stand on the
Speaker 1: earth at this moment, Uh, the past does not necessarily
Speaker 1: have to define you. And I think, uh, in terms
Speaker 1: of what you desire to do, moving forward should be
Speaker 1: unaffected by anything in your past. So, you know, if
Speaker 1: you were to label yourself as bad, you prevent yourself
Speaker 1: from moving forward positively, which is a travesty to to
Speaker 1: the world because we want more people to try to
Speaker 1: move forward positively. And yeah, I just hope that you,
Speaker 1: you know, feeling powered to do that. What is it exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, moving forward in your life that you want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 5: I want to raise a family and you know, help
Speaker 5: protect the environment and create a site based stable society.
Speaker 5: But yeah, in my professional career, I'm in a position
Speaker 5: where I can help produce the impact of of my
Speaker 5: industry on the environment. And that's the career that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love a sustainable care Well, hell, you're honestly
Speaker 2: feeling it, yes, and honestly set.
Speaker 5: Boundaries sustainability committee at work.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. But you know what you should do if
Speaker 2: you are struggling to you know, keep practicing and telling yourself.
Speaker 2: What you could do is set boundaries and like almost
Speaker 2: write yourself like a little script of what you are
Speaker 2: okay with saying, you know, just for yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when someone says, like you haven't have you
Speaker 2: seen the rehearsal Nathan Field up, Like, you know, just
Speaker 2: kind of prepare yourself a little bit so that when
Speaker 2: that comes, because inevitably it probably will, just say that.
Speaker 2: And again, I promise you right now, if you told
Speaker 2: someone even ten percent of what you told us, they
Speaker 2: would think you're dope as hell.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that I've let a couple of bad experiences
Speaker 5: or bad conversations jade my thought processes. But your guys,
Speaker 5: you're helped me set my mind right on the right track.
Speaker 5: Love it, Mike.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer or to me or Allison before
Speaker 1: you go?
Speaker 5: Sure real quick. Alison, your music has been the theme
Speaker 5: song to my recovery over the last few years. Ever
Speaker 5: since I discovered your music. Thank you for being you
Speaker 5: and for sharing your experience. That's I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 5: I'm the only one of my friend group that listens
Speaker 5: to you and and and it's my thing. Early in
Speaker 5: the show, you talked about things that are yours and
Speaker 5: not something you do with your friends. My first time
Speaker 5: I saw you live was by myself, and I was
Speaker 5: perfectly happy going by myself. And that's when I heard
Speaker 5: that when you started the show off like that, and
Speaker 5: I just went the Red Rocks with my brother. Wasn't
Speaker 5: trusted to be with me alone when I was in
Speaker 5: my drinking and I took them the Red Rocks sober,
Speaker 5: and you know, my family was happy that, you know,
Speaker 5: it was a brother experience. And then for anyone out there,
Speaker 5: I just if you're struggling with something, ask for help,
Speaker 5: Ask your family, ask your friends, ask a therapist, ask
Speaker 5: two people just up in Gecko costumes, because having the
Speaker 5: willingness to ask for help is the only way you
Speaker 5: can recover and overcome anything. You know, you're never alone
Speaker 5: if you just have that willingness is the hardest part.
Speaker 5: But just ask anyone for help and something will stick
Speaker 5: and it will help you get all and move on
Speaker 5: to the next thing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Very much for going cry, have a good
Speaker 1: rest of the night and keep keep on keeping on.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah you will.
Speaker 3: I take care.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: This is I'm like, don't cry?
Speaker 1: Do you do?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: You have a lot of opportunities where you get to,
Speaker 1: like really talk to your fans, because the whole thing
Speaker 1: is like talking to the people who listen to.
Speaker 2: I'm very close with my fans, cool, very close with yes,
Speaker 2: my family.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike has an interesting thing, and he is
Speaker 1: a thing that I think about a lot lately. I
Speaker 1: think societally, we are very obsessed with labels. This person
Speaker 1: is bad, this person is good, this person is this,
Speaker 1: this person is that, and for whatever reason, justifiably so,
Speaker 1: you might have to apply that label. And you know,
Speaker 1: people are compelled to apply those labels because those people
Speaker 1: do things that elicit very emotional reactions.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also just now, especially in the age of
Speaker 2: social media, everything is so instant, instant opinion, instant gratification,
Speaker 2: instant definition. It's like way more labeled than it ever
Speaker 2: has been.
Speaker 1: I feel, and you know, Mike is struggling with delabeling
Speaker 1: himself so that he can as a human body on
Speaker 1: the universe. Right now, move forward, productively and that's just
Speaker 1: what we want.
Speaker 2: Sounds like he's doing that which so many people struggle with,
Speaker 2: so it's so cool. Makes me like even yeah he he.
Speaker 2: It was very very familiar story and like close to me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I get it, and no one should judge you when
Speaker 2: you're trying to change it's it's probably very hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I uh yeah, it's a big it's a
Speaker 1: big thing. I guess. I guess we're trying to hoing
Speaker 1: in on that. I feel like it's so easy to
Speaker 1: get all pissed off all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so easy. I got pissed off.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, all the time.
Speaker 1: What was the last thing that really pissed you off?
Speaker 2: My manager drove me today here because I don't drive,
Speaker 2: and he was vaping in the car and I lost
Speaker 2: my ship and I was just like, well, the air
Speaker 2: conditionings are like nah, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't. I don't vape, but I like when
Speaker 1: other when people around me vapes, because I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: like when someone has a fucking like Captain Crunch vape
Speaker 1: or something that I'm into that so chemically.
Speaker 2: And I was like like get it the fuck away
Speaker 2: from me. Bro Okay, look at my feet. Do you
Speaker 2: think that I could go on only fans with me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So then you then you'd be diluting my only fans market,
Speaker 1: because what if we did it joint feet a joint
Speaker 1: feet pick gecko only fans. Yeah, this has to be
Speaker 1: there's something in the works with that.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's always someone that there's one person,
Speaker 2: at least one person in the world that like checks
Speaker 2: off to gecko feet.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi? Is this Don?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 1: This is Don Don.
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: How are you guys with these doctor geckos? How are
Speaker 3: you tonight?
Speaker 1: We're good, doing pretty good, Don. Look, it says here
Speaker 1: that you have an eighteen year old son who you
Speaker 1: say refuses to get a job and needs motivation. Is
Speaker 1: that correct?
Speaker 3: That is that is one correct?
Speaker 1: Okay? Do you do you want to go into this
Speaker 1: within your own words?
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll give you a little bit of background, Yeah please, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's almost hatby nineteen in December, he's graduated high school
Speaker 3: about two years ago. Now, he's with a ged we
Speaker 3: did it online during COVID and has gotten very complacent
Speaker 3: with paying at home and not being social and doesn't
Speaker 3: have any friends anymore, and now it's time to get
Speaker 3: a job and he's just doesn't He's not going out.
Speaker 3: He has a lot of anxiety. I think too about it.
Speaker 3: But he's always been a social person before all this happens.
Speaker 3: So it's I'm not sure where to go with him
Speaker 3: with it. It's he's just anything we've tried. He wants
Speaker 3: to do therapy, but wants to do in person, which
Speaker 3: is hard because he gets very particular with therapists and
Speaker 3: won't talk to people. I need some advice.
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that he open to going to therapy's amazing. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good positive And I think
Speaker 2: letting him know that he's understood and like not alone
Speaker 2: in feeling a little changed from the pandemic when we're
Speaker 2: all alone and kind of forgetting how to be social.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us went through that, so again,
Speaker 2: like that is something that you should remind him. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just remember my dad kicking me
Speaker 2: out of the house.
Speaker 1: Your dad could care of the house when you're eighteen.
Speaker 2: He's like, time to go to the net.
Speaker 1: Really, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he did it. I love my dad.
Speaker 1: Do you are you suggesting that Dawn kick her son
Speaker 1: out of the house.
Speaker 2: My dad literally went time to leave the nest.
Speaker 1: What were you going to say?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 3: He just moved out with my ex husband. So he's
Speaker 3: not with me, but he is with my ex with
Speaker 3: his dad, which is a good situation. They have a
Speaker 3: nice new house and he's remarried now but again and
Speaker 3: he's just in his room now, in the basement, not
Speaker 3: being social, not getting a job, same pattern as he's
Speaker 3: had for the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: And does he play games? Like what does he do
Speaker 2: in the basement?
Speaker 3: I mean he has his own room's down there. This
Speaker 3: is a new house. It's a nice big house, but
Speaker 3: like video games, it's mainly video games. He had a
Speaker 3: girlfriend for the last four almost five years.
Speaker 1: What happened there.
Speaker 2: He was moving.
Speaker 3: It was probably about four weeks ago, and then he
Speaker 3: moved two weeks after that, about an hour and a
Speaker 3: half away from me. And uh where his girlfriend is too?
Speaker 3: Uh she lives in this area. But so now he's
Speaker 3: a little bit further from everybody with his dad, and
Speaker 3: I think fills more secluded. When you know, want therapy,
Speaker 3: He's reached out, but you know, now he's eighteen, I
Speaker 3: can't make appointments for him anymore, and he won't call
Speaker 3: to make any Yeah, perhaps.
Speaker 1: To you don because you're really I mean, he's eighteen.
Speaker 1: If you really wanted to, you could be like, hey,
Speaker 1: figure it out yourself, kid, but you're like a real
Speaker 1: mom dad, like figure it out. Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really commend you for I mean, you're clearly putting in
Speaker 1: the effort here.
Speaker 2: But I also I mean clearly I'm not sure what,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's your baby, and he probably has like
Speaker 2: depression or anxiety, honestly, and to be and when you're
Speaker 2: feeling like that, it's it's really hard to like motivate
Speaker 2: yourself to pick up a phone and cool therapist. It's
Speaker 2: really hard. And right, has he opened up to you
Speaker 2: about like if he has any mental health concerns.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's always had a very open relationship. He's come
Speaker 3: out before that he was bisexual live four years years
Speaker 3: ago to me, has talked to me openly about things.
Speaker 3: You know, he's had a girlfriend for the last couple
Speaker 3: of years as well, but you know, openly says he's
Speaker 3: open to any type of relationship in the future. And
Speaker 3: you know, so he's a very open minded person. He's
Speaker 3: got good head on his shoulders. It's just this whole
Speaker 3: anxiety I think about going out into public again and
Speaker 3: and being with the population. He doesn't like going to
Speaker 3: the store anymore. He won't go to the movies, he
Speaker 3: won't go out and eat dinner, he won't go do
Speaker 3: anything publicly. And I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1: And that changed.
Speaker 2: He lost two years.
Speaker 3: It was before the pandemic a little bit as well,
Speaker 3: you know, and then I think that just made it worse.
Speaker 2: Have you spoken to his guilt? Well, now ex go
Speaker 2: from But did she ever mention anything to you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were they were both young, you know,
Speaker 3: they were high school sweethearts. So they were all through
Speaker 3: high school together and young love. That's what I talk
Speaker 3: all relationship up to, because you know, a little love
Speaker 3: here and there, and it's it was young love.
Speaker 1: So is he trying to do Is he trying to
Speaker 1: get a job or go to college or anything at all?
Speaker 3: No, he talks about it. I want to do it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out. His dad's gonna take
Speaker 3: him out tomorrow. They'll they'll go around town. He'll go
Speaker 3: online look for jobs.
Speaker 1: He always talking about but never doing it.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean the amazing thing that you know, he sounds
Speaker 2: so self aware, which I think is so rare for
Speaker 2: someone that age, which is a huge positives from my
Speaker 2: personal thing. I don't know if this is correct, but
Speaker 2: you can't really force anyone to do anything until they
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that this is a really
Speaker 1: tough anytime anyone you know, calls into this and is
Speaker 1: talking about something, you know, whatever the relationship is, mother son,
Speaker 1: you know, boyfriend, friend, whatever it is. It's so so
Speaker 1: difficult these kinds of situations because like you clearly care,
Speaker 1: you care enough to call in to talk to two
Speaker 1: geckos about it, you care enough that you're invested in
Speaker 1: your son's life. But it's so fucking hard because it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much you care, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how much you're trying. It doesn't matter what you say.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, whether you're his mother,
Speaker 1: whether you're whatever, you can't make anyone do anything. It's
Speaker 1: a tough just fact of life that you have to accept.
Speaker 1: And so I think that you, I mean, for your
Speaker 1: own personal sanity, Dawn, you know, I think you provide
Speaker 1: as much support as you can. You let him know
Speaker 1: that you're there for him, and then at the after
Speaker 1: you've done all that, it's like, you can't when he's eight,
Speaker 1: you can't drag him into his life. And it's a
Speaker 1: tough thing to accept.
Speaker 2: But I think, but you are honestly being such a beautiful,
Speaker 2: caring person to him, and for him to be so
Speaker 2: self aware at that age, like, oh my god, when
Speaker 2: I was eighteen and didn't even I was like, definitely
Speaker 2: not that, not that, like I was, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: But I think also at that age he's just so
Speaker 2: lost in this onny. I think it's just like a
Speaker 2: lot going on in the world right now. So I
Speaker 2: think just being supportive and trying to enco I mean,
Speaker 2: one thing I thought about is what if you and
Speaker 2: his father and his wife got together and spoke about
Speaker 2: it together.
Speaker 1: Like a little intervention, even just with the.
Speaker 2: Three of you. I think it might be intimidating with
Speaker 2: your kid.
Speaker 3: That might be something in the future that we can do.
Speaker 3: Me and my ex have a better relationship now. You're
Speaker 3: married twenty two years and divorced for almost six now,
Speaker 3: so we have a better relationship now than we did
Speaker 3: the twenty two years we were married, so we talk,
Speaker 3: you know a lot. Yeah, now so that his wife
Speaker 3: and I have met many times, you know, I've so
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be a problem to be able to do
Speaker 3: something like that if it's and I think in the
Speaker 3: future that needs to happen, because I don't want to
Speaker 3: see him keeping this up for another year and another year,
Speaker 3: because it goes by so fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think until yeah, I think, well, if it
Speaker 2: makes you feel better, I was a freaking idiot when
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: What's tough. Thing? I mean, that's the thing is if listen,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is if the next you know, if
Speaker 1: this year, next year, the year after that don't work
Speaker 1: out for him, you know, he's he's not out of
Speaker 1: help yet. He's got planning, Pilly more years left on
Speaker 1: this earth to be a human being, So it might
Speaker 1: just take him a little bit longer. But it sounds
Speaker 1: like he has.
Speaker 2: A stable support network around him, which is amazing, and honestly,
Speaker 2: it might be worth just calling your ex husband up
Speaker 2: and his wife and being like, hey, guys, what should
Speaker 2: we do, and like coming up with a little plan
Speaker 2: together if he can't, if he's got too much anxiety
Speaker 2: to call a therapist or find a therapist, because I
Speaker 2: think actually making that first step is really difficult. I
Speaker 2: think if he finally decided to do it, it would
Speaker 2: be easier, but just that first, you know, step into
Speaker 2: that is hard. So I don't know, maybe just talking
Speaker 2: to the family and getting some support for that.
Speaker 1: Don great down. Is there any other aspect of this
Speaker 1: that you feel like we didn't cover or anything else
Speaker 1: that you you want to say to me Alison or
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go, No.
Speaker 3: You guys have been actually wonderful. Was my first time
Speaker 3: calling in and you yeah, first time going in and
Speaker 3: it picked up right away and I got right through
Speaker 3: to you, So it was meant to be that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, good luck to you and to
Speaker 1: your son, and you know I we appreciate you, you know,
Speaker 1: clearly showing out of care.
Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, thank you geckos A, have a good night.
Speaker 2: Don What were you?
Speaker 3: Thank you you too?
Speaker 2: So yeah, what were you like at eighteen?
Speaker 1: Was I like? At eighteen, let's see what was I doing?
Speaker 1: I was like doing a lot of stand up, I
Speaker 1: was making movies, I was playing. Yeah, I was like
Speaker 1: make a little movies with my friends. That's what I
Speaker 1: did in high school, like a little like comedy shorts
Speaker 1: and like short films. We would like enter film festivals
Speaker 1: and ship. Really yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I want to see them.
Speaker 1: You want to see them, I'll send you want to
Speaker 1: they're all you know, it's fine is they're all on
Speaker 1: every like the YouTube channel that like I'm going to
Speaker 1: post this on if you're watching this right now on
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash lyle forever, and you go to
Speaker 1: my videos and you sort it by oldest. All of
Speaker 1: the ship that I made in high school is still
Speaker 1: up on this channel. I never I didn't like to
Speaker 1: take no, I think I think people. I mean it's
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like, I don't like promote it,
Speaker 1: but it's there, you know. I Occasionally I'll get like
Speaker 1: a comment on old videos that's like this is the
Speaker 1: Gek before he was the Gecko, and I'm like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad people are finding that stuff.
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's crazy. Very like you're writing as well, like
Speaker 2: writing these films and yeah, sick, so sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a guy, a good and it was
Speaker 1: I did it with all my friends and all the
Speaker 1: people I made those movies with, I'm still really good
Speaker 1: friends with. So whoa, Yeah, yeah, I've had a nice life.
Speaker 1: I feel like I love that for you, Thanks Allison.
Speaker 2: Like what a great gecko. Thank you turned out to be. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go watch them honestly tonight.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: When I when I can't sleep, I go through YouTube
Speaker 2: and I just like watch people's like I go deep
Speaker 2: in their channels.
Speaker 1: But watch if you're gonna watch anything, what and if
Speaker 1: anyone listens to this is going to watch an old
Speaker 1: movie of mine from high school. Watch watch a Passion
Speaker 1: for Espionage. I'm in you can find that. A passion
Speaker 1: for espion.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be me tonight.
Speaker 1: What were you like when you were eighteen?
Speaker 2: I was actually a classical cellist and I was living
Speaker 2: in Europe.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, you were a classical Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still play it at Red Rocks I was playing.
Speaker 2: So that's why I write strings and stuff.
Speaker 1: I love that for you because you went from because
Speaker 1: you play like modern like elect me, like electronic music
Speaker 1: that's like music of the fucking future, And to be
Speaker 1: a cellist that's.
Speaker 2: Like music polarity, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Very very much. Yeah, the polarity of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My entire background is I was a classically trained
Speaker 2: cellist and then came back and then went fuck it,
Speaker 2: like after studying and you know, spending my entire life
Speaker 2: eight hours a day doing scales, and I'm gonna join
Speaker 2: it a punk band. And I joined a punk band
Speaker 2: and I was like fuck that. I'm going to make
Speaker 2: my own music on a computer where it can make
Speaker 2: all the sounds myself. And that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: Do you still listen to punk music? Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's an Australian punk band that I really
Speaker 1: like you. Yeah. I think they're newled called Amal and
Speaker 1: the Sniffers.
Speaker 2: I love them so cool.
Speaker 1: She's so cool. I saw her at Coachella.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, these guys rock.
Speaker 2: They fucking rock the roll.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: Shout out Ammal and the Sniffers. We we like you
Speaker 2: guys a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely I want to see them next
Speaker 1: time that they're I think they were.
Speaker 2: At She's so cool. She's got the crazy stage presence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just just like walks like walking around like
Speaker 1: fuck it and like love it.
Speaker 2: It looks cool.
Speaker 1: She does look very very cool, she has like a
Speaker 1: good like she's like a great voice.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everything, I like it.
Speaker 1: Do you so from punk and cellicism?
Speaker 2: Cellicism?
Speaker 1: Do you incorporate any of those sounds into what you do? Now?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of strings in my songs and it's
Speaker 2: usually me on cello. And when I like, when I
Speaker 2: talk about punk like, it's kind of just I don't
Speaker 2: like to like if my vocal there's like a song
Speaker 2: weird sound in it, I like to keep it in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how punk that is, but
Speaker 2: I mean I think just being yourself these days is
Speaker 2: very punk, I guess.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you still go to punk shows?
Speaker 2: I used to until like maybe five years ago, and
Speaker 2: now I just sit at home and call music when.
Speaker 1: You go, when you go out places like you go
Speaker 1: to the music shows and stuff, do a lot? Do
Speaker 1: people come up to you?
Speaker 6: And?
Speaker 1: Holy al, I wonder, yeah, how is that great?
Speaker 2: As well? It's fine like everyone I actually tweeted on
Speaker 2: my side account today, just like everyone I've met usually
Speaker 2: like really really fucking cool and creative and great and
Speaker 2: but that I remember when I was living in New
Speaker 2: Zealand last year for a little bit, Uh, I was
Speaker 2: walking down the street with like literally I can't explain,
Speaker 2: like the most unshowered hair up and a pony. I'd
Speaker 2: been working on the album type thing and I was
Speaker 2: walking to get cheese because I wanted to make myself
Speaker 2: a cheese platter. And this girl was walking down the
Speaker 2: street in Wellington in New Zealand, and I looked up
Speaker 2: and she was crying and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I didn't it didn't again, like my perception of
Speaker 2: me is I always.
Speaker 1: Forget that people my public person.
Speaker 2: I don't think about it. And actually it happened to
Speaker 2: the end of the day. Someone came up and they're
Speaker 2: like Allison. I was like yeah, and they went to
Speaker 2: hug me, and I was like, who do it? And
Speaker 2: then I realized that people know you. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: didn't like and I flinched and I felt so bad
Speaker 2: because I just come out of acupuncture. So I was like,
Speaker 2: oh sure, and then but yeah, she was crying, and
Speaker 2: I was like, just like being a good civilian, I
Speaker 2: was just like, are you okay?
Speaker 1: Like you thought she was just like a and then
Speaker 1: she just was like you're.
Speaker 2: Some church like changed my life and like started crying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, no, you need a hug,
Speaker 2: and so we had like a really good hug. It's nice.
Speaker 2: And then actually at Red Rocks, I was freaking out
Speaker 2: because the truck broke down carrying my stage and was
Speaker 2: only up an hour before the show. It was like
Speaker 2: a fucking disaster. And so I was doing soundcheck when
Speaker 2: doors were opening, and so I was singing and checking
Speaker 2: my vocals and there was a girl working at Red Rocks,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know where to go, so I just
Speaker 2: walked up to her and then turned out she knew
Speaker 2: the song, and we had like a big hug and
Speaker 2: it made me feel better.
Speaker 1: So that's nice. Nice everywhere you go you had you
Speaker 1: run into these like moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really it's really nice. I don't go out though,
Speaker 2: I myself sometimes have a little bit of anxiety going
Speaker 2: out and going to party.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to are you not? Are you not
Speaker 1: a party person?
Speaker 2: I not really, And when I did in the past,
Speaker 2: it was, you know, I would be in the corner
Speaker 2: or I just feel better behind the decks or alone
Speaker 2: in my room.
Speaker 1: What is it about the party environment that gives you anxiety?
Speaker 2: I just don't think I'm naturally off stage unless it's
Speaker 2: like one on one and like I feel a connection
Speaker 2: with someone, I don't really feel extroverted.
Speaker 1: Do you ever? Do you ever feel as though you
Speaker 1: have some type of like public persona that that you
Speaker 1: pressure to live up to.
Speaker 7: Never?
Speaker 2: I never do. Like what you read on my Twitter
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent word vomit from my head to
Speaker 2: my mouth, I mean from my head to my fingers.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm very much like my songs are
Speaker 2: very much my words, my lyrics, real experiences. There's really
Speaker 2: nothing about me that's not me. It's more just like
Speaker 2: I get overwhelmed when there's like a lot of things
Speaker 2: going on, and I'm not like, I don't know you do.
Speaker 1: You feel like over stimulated sometimes very much? That's interesting
Speaker 1: because I feel like the universe that you live in
Speaker 1: of like electronic music is all about stimulation.
Speaker 2: But when you're like hyper focused and you're in your zone,
Speaker 2: it's not that does that make sense? When I'm taken
Speaker 2: out of it, Like even walking in a shopping mall
Speaker 2: or whatever, if it's like too loud or too many
Speaker 2: people or there's too many lights, like I'm like ah,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, Yeah, I'm just kind of I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are like that and they
Speaker 2: just don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: What do you do all the time? Do you like
Speaker 1: read books? Do you have on the internet.
Speaker 2: I say it's actually a joke. When the pandemic happened,
Speaker 2: my parents joked that I was in heaven because I
Speaker 2: was alone in a room all the time. I'm always
Speaker 2: alone in a room, you know. I tour, I'm a
Speaker 2: solo artist, so it's it's just kind of my comfort zone.
Speaker 2: My comfort thing is being in like a small space
Speaker 2: in my head.
Speaker 1: There's, you know, this interesting beautiful contrast of like one
Speaker 1: moment you're in front of what like ten thousand people
Speaker 1: at a show like Red Rocks or something, and then
Speaker 1: you know, there's all the stimulations everyone and everything all
Speaker 1: the time, and then you afterwards sit in a little room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually can't really be around people afterwards. It's really
Speaker 2: hard because I'm I'm so giving every single ounce of
Speaker 2: myself outward when I'm playing. I love it. It's actually
Speaker 2: my face. It's the most I feel myself is when
Speaker 2: I'm doing that. So either that or just like sitting
Speaker 2: in my studio, it's like the most I feel myself. Ever.
Speaker 1: What do you do after a show? How do you decompress?
Speaker 2: I'm just like alone, Yeah, I'm alone, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my crew kind of jokes like I'm very easy. She
Speaker 2: just sits alone. Really do anything? Yeah? Occasionally, Like I'll
Speaker 2: go to a party, but I can't really remember the
Speaker 2: last time I just went to a party. If I
Speaker 2: want to see like one of my friends playing, like
Speaker 2: I love going to live music, that's always fine, Like
Speaker 2: and I actually like that. I can wear a mask
Speaker 2: now and just kind of just chill. But I love
Speaker 2: watching live music and going to see my friends play,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's obviously what I'm passionate about. But
Speaker 2: if I was just at like a normal party, I
Speaker 2: just want to be behind the decks.
Speaker 1: Do you do you do you? You don't like? Do you
Speaker 1: like to schmooze at all? No?
Speaker 2: I hate it? I hate it. I hate it. And
Speaker 2: it's been a huge It's like my number one anxiety
Speaker 2: is I never a'm around backstage. People think I'm cold,
Speaker 2: but I just have anxiety, Like I sit in my trailer.
Speaker 2: I'm a terrible networker. I find it really difficult to
Speaker 2: DM people or approach people. I always have I always
Speaker 2: like felt from my gut that if someone fucked with me,
Speaker 2: they would just like organically fuck with me. Sure, and
Speaker 2: I find it like really hard to put myself out
Speaker 2: there like that and try and sell myself true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really doesn't seem genuine. And I really can't operate
Speaker 2: when something's not genuine. It's really difficult, and I have
Speaker 2: a terrible poker face. It's a joke as well. You
Speaker 2: can tell when I'm not in a when I'm like
Speaker 2: not fucking with someone and it's not I'm never mean,
Speaker 2: I just like I can't look at them in the eyes.
Speaker 1: I can't like, well, it's an interesting thing you brought
Speaker 1: up of, like you know, you saying that people think
Speaker 1: that you are cold. Sometimes even it's just anxiety.
Speaker 2: This just get nervous.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of I think like when
Speaker 1: people you know, act a certain around a lot.
Speaker 2: It's usually actually around artists when I'm meeting like no
Speaker 2: like normal people, but like people that aren't in the industry.
Speaker 2: It's just like the backstage energy or the energy of
Speaker 2: people doing schmoozing. For me, my intuition, my body can
Speaker 2: sense when things are not genuine. And look, there are
Speaker 2: so many amazing genuine people in the industries. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying this is like it, but even just feeling
Speaker 2: that one time for me is like enough for me
Speaker 2: to leave the room. I can't be around it. It's
Speaker 2: really difficult, and I get really like grow like not gross,
Speaker 2: I just like energy wise, I can't be around it.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell you.
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like you're good at reading people's
Speaker 1: intentions and energy?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And whatnot? Very interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah interesting, it's like really easy for me. I
Speaker 2: think that also just comes from life experience. I'm like,
Speaker 2: my intuition has always been strong, but like following it
Speaker 2: now and really listening to it, I'm really good at it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had been in a situation or I
Speaker 1: had a time where you your intuition was wrong? No? Never,
Speaker 1: no never.
Speaker 2: I mean it's funny I've ignored my intuition and then
Speaker 2: I've been right, you know, or like the thing where
Speaker 2: you say you make up a new narrative sure to
Speaker 2: like convince yourself otherwise when you're dedicated to something sure sure.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like my intuition's always been right and I
Speaker 2: should have fucking listened to it earlier. But you know,
Speaker 2: whatever you learn, you live in your line.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: try to. I try to follow my intuitions sometimes, but
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm I am always checking my intuition because
Speaker 1: I can never know everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know everything. That's why we try
Speaker 2: and ignore it sometimes. But your gut, your gut's very strong.
Speaker 2: We feel vibes.
Speaker 1: You never like think about your gut intuition and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm fucking wrong all the time.
Speaker 2: Like now not so much, but yeah, like when I
Speaker 2: would change, like if someone doesn't feel right to me,
Speaker 2: I don't really, I'm like no, But you know, back
Speaker 2: in the day, we be like, oh but I can
Speaker 2: fix that person, or like maybe I'm wrong because there's
Speaker 2: this part of them and it's more like a wide eyed,
Speaker 2: do wide approach to versus your intuition. And now I'm
Speaker 2: just kind of like nap.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like if you've had a lot of experience, I've.
Speaker 2: Met so many people, you know, like so many people,
Speaker 2: I've met every single different type person you can imagine,
Speaker 2: like touring that much like most years, I was like
Speaker 2: seeing my bed once one month a year.
Speaker 1: You know, you do you like people.
Speaker 2: I'm very like I'm a very one on one person
Speaker 2: and when I think someone's when I when I get
Speaker 2: a really good like vibe with someone, I love them
Speaker 2: like I'm and I love the idea of people and
Speaker 2: what they can be. But I get a little disappointed
Speaker 2: when I see what some people are capable of.
Speaker 1: Have you have you had a lot of people like
Speaker 1: disappoint you in your life.
Speaker 2: I've had major disappointments from a few people, like really
Speaker 2: big ones and the ones that you look every day
Speaker 2: someone's going to disappoint you, But I brush them off.
Speaker 2: I move on. I don't hold that grudge, like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, like I'm I just take the l and go, Okay,
Speaker 2: well you know now I know not to waste energy
Speaker 2: on that person or whatever. But yes, I've had some
Speaker 2: big l's from like like a few instances in my life,
Speaker 2: and I, yeah, really got majorly in the pit because
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Has it has it like permanently affected your your perceptions
Speaker 1: of people? These these l's that you're.
Speaker 2: Talking, Oh yeah, it made me better, Like it made
Speaker 2: me a better person actually in what way, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not bitter at any of it. It actually again like
Speaker 2: taught me gratitude for like other perspectives of other things
Speaker 2: that turned out from those situations, because in hindsight, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh fuck, I'm so fucking glad that happened then,
Speaker 2: because now this and that led to that to that
Speaker 2: to that, and without that, that would have been here.
Speaker 2: And so I try and think of it like that,
Speaker 2: and you know, I believe in karma and I have
Speaker 2: to just like let it go because I don't want
Speaker 2: to stretch.
Speaker 1: You're following the timeline and you're like, well, everything that
Speaker 1: has happened.
Speaker 2: To me very donny daarko wing.
Speaker 1: Sure. I watched that movie a while ago. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember the.
Speaker 2: Song from that, which one echoing the Bundy.
Speaker 1: Mandic kind of Gary.
Speaker 2: Jule's cover of Tears for Fears, Mad World.
Speaker 1: Mad World. Yeah, yes, anyway, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know that soundtrack's amazing, echoing the Bunnyman, the
Speaker 2: Killing Man.
Speaker 1: Do you think from all the people that you've met
Speaker 1: in your personal experiences, do you believe in general that
Speaker 1: people are good or at the very least have good intentions.
Speaker 2: I do, and I have read this book called The
Speaker 2: Four Agreements, and one of the biggest takeaways I got
Speaker 2: from it was to never take anything personally and the
Speaker 2: way that people react towards you, because a lot of
Speaker 2: the time they're projecting and so again, like everyone has
Speaker 2: their own narrative going on, and I like to believe
Speaker 2: that at people's core, unless you're a psychopath or a
Speaker 2: sociopath and you feel emotion, there is guilt that you
Speaker 2: feel and you have to live with. You might not
Speaker 2: show it to everyone, but you know, I do believe
Speaker 2: that there's reasons behind everything, and I'm pretty philosophical in
Speaker 2: the way that I see things. But that doesn't like,
Speaker 2: that doesn't soften me. Like, if someone I feel like
Speaker 2: is not going to positively affect my life, I don't
Speaker 2: really let them in. And that was something I had
Speaker 2: to learn to do because I was usually.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a skill. I mean, you're I think
Speaker 1: you're talking about like just trying, and it's a lot
Speaker 1: there's a lot of thematically what we're talking about ties
Speaker 1: into a lot of our calls. You're just being intentional
Speaker 1: about your life, you know, intentional about the people you
Speaker 1: bring in, intentional about the things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really important if someone constantly feels like they're
Speaker 2: draining you and like not bringing like you're not uplifting
Speaker 2: each other. You just might not be right to be
Speaker 2: hanging with each other. Sure, you know, maybe someone that
Speaker 2: they meet is better for them and will uplift them.
Speaker 2: And you know that's I have to think of it.
Speaker 1: Would you like to take more phone calls?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, DARB is that you?
Speaker 7: Yes, it's made Arb.
Speaker 4: You can call me Brad for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, how's it going, Brad?
Speaker 2: Because Bradford, But.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 7: And uh, nothing much. I just you know, wanting to
Speaker 7: call in talk about my grandson Bubby. But before that,
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say I really enjoy you'll show
Speaker 7: and you know, God boss all and God bless you too.
Speaker 7: You guys doing a really good job, you know, God
Speaker 7: bless and not bought and you know leading kings into
Speaker 7: Gording Lord and O g backtw and God bless my
Speaker 7: Chrmain and Brett Hart and Owen Wilson, and God bless
Speaker 7: Richard Christie, so Howard Horne and Robbin and God bless
Speaker 7: us in the city chiefs, and God bless Jesus. Then
Speaker 7: we don't have God.
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, God bless g g Allen.
Speaker 1: You know, so Brad, So Brad so Brad, Brad, Brad,
Speaker 1: oh you hung up?
Speaker 2: I feel like Bless g Allen.
Speaker 1: You know right, he like takes ships on stage.
Speaker 2: Now people take ships on his.
Speaker 1: Grave, and that's probably what he would have wanted.
Speaker 2: That's what he wanted. They do it. He loves, He
Speaker 2: probably loves.
Speaker 1: You know. What he upsets me is when people hang
Speaker 1: up on the bit. It's like, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: can do a bit. I don't care, but if you're
Speaker 1: gonna listen, if you just if you're gonna call in
Speaker 1: and do a troller a bit, I don't care, but
Speaker 1: don't hang up.
Speaker 2: Let's talk forgot's make it funny.
Speaker 1: I don't even care if it's funny. I just just
Speaker 1: when they hang up, it's like we could have gotten
Speaker 1: into something.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, but you know what, it was a nice
Speaker 2: palate cleanser. It was.
Speaker 1: But I will I will like who was that guy? What?
Speaker 1: I have so many questions.
Speaker 2: I love how it was like Kansas City chiefs g Allen.
Speaker 2: I feel like he said.
Speaker 1: Taco bell is he did say Taco bellt I.
Speaker 2: Love that, Like God, bless talker.
Speaker 1: Well, he was so scared, it was it was very
Speaker 1: Why was he he was like scared. He thought that
Speaker 1: we were gonna get mad at him. I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 2: We agree, though I don't think God blessed talker belt why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he like was he thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna get in trouble if he didn't hang up immediately, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not that we.
Speaker 2: Can Maybe you just need to get it out. Maybe
Speaker 2: you just need to do some blessings and hung up.
Speaker 2: This is the most comfortable outfit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 2: Right, What if I rebranded and then I'm just like
Speaker 2: a gecko, DJ.
Speaker 1: Please do it. We need more visibility.
Speaker 2: Geckos alizard Wonderland, Alizard Wonderland.
Speaker 1: That's the name of this episode thematically. Okay, Allison, to
Speaker 1: wrap up some themes. So we've experienced over the course
Speaker 1: of no.
Speaker 2: Fear taking, risks in a happiness, risk, the pit, being
Speaker 2: prepared to fucking go through the pit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like forever everyone was kind of going
Speaker 1: through a pit.
Speaker 2: You know what, life comes in waves, order to disorder,
Speaker 2: and then you need disorder to get back into a
Speaker 2: different type of order. Always makes sense in the end.
Speaker 1: Allison, thank you very much for doing this stream with me. Man,
Speaker 1: what is there anything you want to say to the foe, Well,
Speaker 1: tell us. I want to let you plug stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean just any.
Speaker 2: General nothing really to plug. Just if you haven't heard
Speaker 2: of me, I would love for you to check that out.
Speaker 2: I got new music dropping. But actually I just announced.
Speaker 1: That now Alis in Wonderland on YouTube or spelled with
Speaker 1: one L A L I s.
Speaker 2: O N Wonderland, and I mean anywhere. I'm on Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 2: sometimes TikTok. I like looking at TikTok a lot, like
Speaker 2: I try and do content, but I like to show
Speaker 2: my shows on TikTok and it's fun. I don't really know.
Speaker 2: I just look. If you vibe with me, check it out.
Speaker 2: If you're not totally cool as well, Allison, it.
Speaker 1: Has been honor Geking with you. Please check out Alice
Speaker 1: in Wonderland.
Speaker 2: That was Geking awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was Geking awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see our lizard Wonderland. Whenever you
Speaker 1: do it, I love it. And this was a pleasure man.
Speaker 1: Thank you very so good.
Speaker 2: This is my dream to be a green thing.
Speaker 1: Have a good night. Folks goes on the line taking
Speaker 1: your phone calls.
Speaker 3: Every night.
Speaker 2: The beacon goes to on his eye. You're just teaching
Speaker 2: you cloud in the of your life. That's not really
Speaker 2: an expert