1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland. How are you? 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 2: I'm just this is the best day of my life. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: How does it feel to be a gecka? 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: It's not easy being green, No, it's not, but I 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: honestly feel it. I love reptiles and frogs and stuff, 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: and yeah, this is this is my dream and I 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: really think I'm meant to be a green animal. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Now you're from Australia, correct, Yes, And I've heard in 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Australia they're known for having like pretty gnarly fucked up 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: supernali reptiles. Have you encountered. 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: Yes, My manager Goth, when we used to live in Australia, 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: he was a reptile rest Like he would go and 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: rescue reptiles from people's homes and re home them in 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: the bush. And so I would come with him and 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: I would actually film while live it and like wrangle 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: these deadly snakes and it was not chill at all. 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: Like one of them definitely came in and tried to 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: strike me. And I'm sure Goth has had so many 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: terrible experiences. 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: You guys had your own, like Steet, what's the Steven, 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Steve Irwin, you were like filming, Well, I think. 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: There's one video on his YouTube still where he edited 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: it to really heavy metal music and he's like, I 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: think he was trying to wrangle a brown snake, which 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: is the deadliest, one of the deadliest snakes in the world. 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: I actually filmed from behind a door that time because 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: I was. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: Like, how are you with like if I had a. 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: Snake, And oh yeah, I used to have a pet 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: snake called Sparkles. He was a diamond python. And Garth 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: actually used to have a bunch of snakes and we've 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: been best friends since we were really young. So I 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: was just always around reptiles. 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that because you were growing up with 36 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: them it made you a little bit less squeamish to 37 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: them as you got older. 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: I do think I was ever squeamish with reptiles. Ever, 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: I love lizards. I've always loved lizards so much, and 40 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: frogs and stuff. 41 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: A question, Yeah, what's been the most persistent thought on 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: your mind lately? 43 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: Is everything going to be okay? 44 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Is everything going to be okay? 45 00:01:59,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 46 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: Okay? When you say everything is every is it like 47 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: everything externally in the universe or is it everything with you? 48 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Or is it a combination? 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: It's a combination Okay, I sit there and I'm like, 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: oh my god, global warming. That's scaring me. You know, 51 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: there's an uncertainty, and I really like because you know, 52 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: being an artist, everything is so up and down all 53 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: the time. You need to have a little bit of stability, 54 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: and sometimes you know that, you go through these waves 55 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: where everything's a little bit in limbo, and I'm kind 56 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: of feeling that, so I'm just like, please. Sometimes I 57 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: have this thought that I wish I could have this 58 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: remote where I could fast forward into the future and 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to live the next few months. But 60 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: I really did live it interesting, but I woke up 61 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: and I nailed it. 62 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: What are some things? Just speaking on the uncertainty, are 63 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: there things in your life that you know for sure 64 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: that are like undeniable constants. 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: Yes, my dog is the best thing in the world. 66 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: I have a really really great group of friends, are 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: really small, very small group of friends. And also, and 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: it's gonna sound super cheesy, but I love music, and 69 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: so I always have that to late lean back on. 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: Like ever since I was in high school, I was 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: just honestly in the corner listening on my. 72 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: CD player, And no one can take that, No one can. 73 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: Take that from you. There's actually it never got released, 74 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: but I wrote a song about it, where there's little 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: things that you experienced in your life that brings you 76 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: joy that you discovered yourself, that you don't associate with 77 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: any other person. So whenever you go back to that, 78 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: and for me it's music or you know, particular bands 79 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: or Christmas lights. I love Christmas lights, I always associate 80 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: it with a really good feeling that has nothing to 81 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: do with any other situation or any other person. So 82 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: no one can take that from me. And I'm like, 83 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: that is my happiness. And I did a lot of 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: work actually over the pandemic to make sure that the 85 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: happiness that I feel is relyingt on myself. 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's a big People come in here 87 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: and they talk about that a lot. And the number 88 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: one thing I feel like I'm always talking to people 89 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: about it is like finding some kind of happiness that 90 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: is within your control. It's not centered around a person, 91 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: not even centered around like a career or sent it 92 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: around anything external. 93 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: Just now. 94 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: My dream in life is I want to be able 95 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: to just be like I want to have like like 96 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: I want to be mentally in a place where like 97 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: I could have no possessions, no friends, no family, no money, 98 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: no anything and still be happy. I'm totally not there. 99 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: That's like some enlightenment. Yeah shit, but I feel like 100 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: that would be the goal. 101 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually did a lot of work during the 102 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: pandemic on that, and I got to the best place 103 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: I ever have been, and I still am there where 104 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: I just you know, wasn't looking for anything. I didn't 105 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: need anything external to feed what I needed to be happy, 106 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: and I just focused on things that again no one 107 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: could take from me and made me happy because again, 108 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: we're all alone at the time, and a lot of 109 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: things run certain. That was super limbo for me and 110 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, I had. I'd been 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: touring for so long, I never stopped traveling, and I 112 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: was just like alone, What are. 113 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Some things that you're uncertain about now? 114 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: I just I think, just as an artist, you're always 115 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: uncertain because I wake up every day and my life 116 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: is I get up, take my dog for a walk, 117 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: get back in, work on music, or do something like this, 118 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: and I don't know externally my perception, so I'm always 119 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: kind of like, creatively, I'm not doing it to please 120 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: anyone else. It's just for myself. So I think sometimes 121 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: when I do think too much about that, I'm. 122 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Like, oh fuckle, think about how like you're perceived. 123 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I don't really when I don't 124 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: think about it, it's not not how I'm perceived. Actually, weirdly, 125 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: I've never really cared about that. 126 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: You've never cared about you, like when you were like 127 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like when you when I was at 128 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: the like in middle school, that's like all a lot 129 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: of people care about it. 130 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I actually have a crazy reaka moment that happened 131 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: to me in eighth grade because I was really heavily 132 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: bullied in high school, super bullied. I did not have 133 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: a good school time at all, to the point where 134 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: I moved schools to a music school because no one 135 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: got me what. 136 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: Was your your WEEKA moment. 137 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: I went to. So in Australia, it's composed compulsory to 138 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: wear a school uniform, whatever school you go to, and 139 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: then we have these things called mufty days, which is 140 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: like our playing clothes day every once in a while. 141 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: And I think my dress sense has actually never changed. 142 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: But I was in like a really oversized Beetles T 143 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: shirt with the four beetles and it said let it 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: be on the bottom, and then these terrible like zip 145 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: off cargo pants, which I kind of fuck with now. 146 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: And I had, you know, like the strands and like 147 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: the dyed black hair, and I just kind of was 148 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: in the corner playing cello and this the very pretty 149 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: popular girl that I wanted to. I was like, oh, 150 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, I want someone to like me. And because 151 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: I was with my sister jokes, She's like, you were 152 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: that because we went to the same school. She's like, 153 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: you were that weird kid on like the hill at lunch, 154 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: like rolling around eating grapes by yourself, and it's very specific. 155 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: But then you grow up and that becomes a niche the. 156 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: Hill kid, I guess, yeah, being the hill kid, Well, yeah, two, 157 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: you reaca moment. So that day, this girl who I 158 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: will not name, but remember her name very very well. 159 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: She walked in in front of my whole class and 160 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: everyone used to be like, oh, she's a loser. And 161 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: she was like, what are you wearing? What is that? 162 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: What is that? And I was like, oh, is that 163 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: like your band or something? Loser? 164 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: She said that about your Beatles T shirt that you 165 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: and I. 166 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: Was like, bro, this is the day when I realized 167 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: that none of y'all are cool and the Beatles. Like 168 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: the fact that you just said that about the Beatles 169 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: makes you so uncool that I don't give a. 170 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: I asked your question. So you do you remember this 171 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: girl's name? You don't have to say it, But what 172 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: do you think she is doing? 173 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: I know what she's doing now. I'm a Scorpio moon, 174 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: so I know what. 175 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: Are you big into astrology? Not really Scorpio? So from 176 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: what I do, I don't know a lot about astrology, 177 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: but Scorpio is the one that like people, I'm. 178 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: A seriously psycho. No, I'm kidding, no, but I did. 179 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: I did actually think about it recently and I went 180 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: and checked on I found her on Facebook. 181 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah did you reach out? 182 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: No? No, But there's a few of them. When I 183 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: remember in twenty fifteen when I first played Coachella, a 184 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: bunch of them were like, Hey, it's blah blah remember 185 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: me from school? 186 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Are you the type of person? Do you do you 187 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: hold grudges? Do you remember that? 188 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: Or I don't hold grudges? No, because I feel like 189 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: there's this like heaviness in your gut and your gut 190 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: has another brain. You know, I don't like to do that, 191 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: but I don't forget okay, So like I. 192 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Just do you hold when you're playing Coachella and all 193 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: of the people in middle school who bullied you reach 194 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: out and they're like, oh my god, I was so 195 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: happy for you, are like can. 196 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: I get a ticket? I'm like no, no. 197 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: But are you in the back of your mind are 198 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: you like fuck these people? 199 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: Like no, I'm just kind of like, huh. 200 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I was kind of like is it okay? And then 201 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: so on the other side is like a vinda, do 202 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you feel like vindicated in a way? 203 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: Like yeah, validated? 204 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I made it out on top. No. 205 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: Actually, weirdly people have asked me that before and I don't. 206 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Like, internally me as a person, I 207 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: don't feel different from that kid in eighth grade. 208 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: So for me, this isn't era rolling around the hill. 209 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: Still rolling around the hill eating grapes. But like, this 210 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: isn't a revenge thing that doesn't motivate me. What motivates 211 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: me to get on top is literally just because I'm 212 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: so I like being creative and I like trying new things, 213 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: and I'm competitive with myself, so that's not really what 214 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: I look to but it is kind of funny. I'm like, huh, well. 215 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: It ties back into what we were talking about, because, 216 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: like you, if you were to be you know, compelled 217 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: by wanting to show other people that you made it, 218 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that would be an external thing. 219 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not really how to operate. I think, like, yeah, 220 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: I don't. It's not what satisfies me. And I've said 221 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: this a billion times. I've been broke, like bankrupt broke before, 222 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: and I've been able to afford things. I've had both 223 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: and for me, living richly is being happy internally and 224 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: like being able to have my two feet on the 225 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: ground every day and like being okay with where I'm at. 226 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, And in the times when you were broke, 227 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: did you have that perspective? Yeah? 228 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: I did. Actually weirdly, I was like, okay, I'm okay, 229 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I worked out what gratitude was, and I 230 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, I might be eating tuna out 231 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: of a can for a bit, but firstly, I can 232 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: work my way out of this. There are options, like 233 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to give up, and I can get 234 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: out of this, and I did. I just had to 235 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: fucking work hard. It's like it's you can make it 236 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: out of anywhere. And again, I have this song called 237 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Forever and it applies to this, but it will feel 238 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: like forever until it doesn't. But as long as you 239 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: know that. Actually, when I was I was in New 240 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: Zealand for a bit last year and I was quarantining. 241 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: They make you quarantine, like the army takes you off 242 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: the plane and puts you in like a room for 243 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: two weeks and like you're not allowed to leave. It's 244 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: kind of crazy. But I had a friend who I 245 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: met there where we'd have an hour out and we'd 246 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: walk around in circles in the yard like like jail. 247 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: It felt like a jail. 248 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Really. Oh yeah, I remember New Zealand was very hardcore 249 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: on the quarantine. 250 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 251 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: And he turned out to be randomly Yeah, he was. 252 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: He's the coach of Zoe Sinnert. No, she's she's a 253 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: a like an Olympic gold medalist like snowboarder. And he 254 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: was teaching me a thing called the pit and I 255 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: use it all the time now. And he's like, if 256 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: you want to achieve something higher than where you are now, 257 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: example being fucking broke or whatever, it is being in 258 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: an abusive relationship, trying to get out of it, or 259 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: feeling suicidal or not being happy in yourself. Internally, there 260 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: is a thing called the pit or work. If you 261 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: want to be the fucking best in the world at 262 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: what you do, that's not easy. 263 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: What is the pit? 264 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: So the pit is like so you have to imagine 265 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: you're at the top of a pit, and then in 266 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: order to get to the next level, you have to 267 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: go down and get back out of it, you know 268 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: what I mean. 269 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: You can't be afraid of. 270 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: Guaranteed you're going to be in that dip at some point. 271 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta dip that you gotta well, you know, 272 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: we were talking, we were talking a little bit before 273 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the cameras started rolling about. You played Red Rocks, and 274 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: you were talking about like being nervous beforehand, and I'm 275 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: on a tour right now and I get really nerves beforehand. 276 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: I feel like that those nerves Like that's that's a 277 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: bit of a dip you have. You have to be 278 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: in your head about like, oh fuck, what if this happens? 279 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: What if? You know whatever, You gotta move through that, 280 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: and then on the other side is like holy shit, 281 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: I just played for me. 282 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: The dip was actually prepping for Red Rocks. It was 283 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: like the months like getting to it and making my set, 284 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: writing the string parts, you know, organizing all the instrumentals 285 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: and making it like like the visuals. Everything that was 286 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: the pit, Like I didn't sleep and no one sees 287 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: outside of it, you know, they see the top of the. 288 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: Eyes pidl but I you rocking out. 289 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like so so hyper focused on that 290 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: for months, where I don't know, you know, when you're 291 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: like working too hard and you like sit up and 292 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: you've forgotten to eat, and your hair's kind of greasy 293 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: but everywhere, and you're start getting at it was at 294 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: that point I couldn't see, like I couldn't interact with people. 295 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: I was doing that, and I was like, oh my god, 296 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm in the pit. But it's okay because now I 297 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: know that I'm in the pit. The only way to 298 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,119 Speaker 2: get out of the pit is get back fucking. 299 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: Out of it. It takes a lot of I'm noticing, 300 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time and a lot of 301 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: repetition and going through the pit to be able to 302 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: zoom out so that when things are going, when things 303 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: are going badly. You're not like, oh, it's going to 304 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: be like this forever because you've ridden that way, and 305 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: then when things are going good, you're like, it's not 306 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna be like. 307 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: No, when I think it's going good, I literally tweet 308 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: the other day why am I on my I have 309 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: like a side Twitter, and I'm like, why am I 310 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: feeling guilty when I'm happy? Which is like the biggest 311 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: thing that I deal with is when I'm feeling happy, 312 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, this can't And I think it's just like 313 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: a defense mechanism because you know, we have so many 314 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: failures in our lives. Like again, also the pit, you 315 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: can't be a fail afraid to fail. 316 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: Oh no, there's good stuff in the pit. 317 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: There's good stuff, and there's failure in the pit. You 318 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: you have to fail sometime to get out of. Like 319 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: the pit means your like failure, but failure means that 320 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: you've learned something to make you stronger to get out 321 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: of the pit. 322 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: I feel like we're on a we're on a good 323 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: motivational role here. Do you want to Should we take 324 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: some calls? 325 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: Tell yeah, let's help with some pits. 326 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Hugh, you're on the phone with me and Alice in Wonderland. 327 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Is is there anything in particular that you you called 328 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: in to talk about. 329 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: Well, there's one thing more so than others. But I 330 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: have a whole multitude multitude of things that I can 331 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: talk about. 332 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's start. Let the one the one thing that 333 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: you said is more than others. Let's focus on that 334 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: one thing. What is that one thing? 335 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 5: Okay? 336 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: So I got in a little bit of trouble when 337 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: I was fifteen, and then I got my pilot plcens. 338 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 4: I got my pilot plcense before I turned twenty one, 339 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: and then, uh, that thing didn't show up on my 340 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: medical record. But then now that I renewed my medical 341 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: and I'm twenty six now, a year and a half 342 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: after getting my newest medical, the FAA sends me a 343 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: really nice letter in the mail. Pay Hey, your medical 344 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: is not technically invalid, but don't fly anymore because. 345 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: We need to take a look at this. 346 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Let's sum this all up here. Huge, Okay, So, from 347 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: what I understand about your situation, Hugh, you were when 348 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: you were fifteen, you had a DUI that what happened. 349 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: But you said that it wasn't It was dismissed, right, So. 350 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a sponge. So I got a deal 351 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: called juvenile I had a juvenile court option or that 352 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: gave me what was called informal judgment, and ultimately he 353 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: had three options. One the first option was hand me 354 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: over to the bot and say try this kid as 355 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 4: a as an adult and like throw the book at him. 356 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: He's a terrible kid. The second option is what he 357 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: typically does and just wipe his hands clean, like slaunch 358 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: the pilot and it says, do whatever you want to him. 359 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: And then the third option is what he did. And 360 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: so there's no court know anything, and then everything is 361 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: a sponge for my record. The only thing that I 362 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 4: have is an arrest record. 363 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Right, that's weird. I didn't know how that works in America. 364 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how that works. 365 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: Can you speak to a lawyer? 366 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I never had a lawyer, Like I said, 367 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: I had a so since I was a juvenile, I 368 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: was under eighteen, I went to this guy. I can't 369 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 4: think of his name for the life of me, but 370 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 4: he's a juvenile court officer and he determined like ultimately, 371 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: like what to do and specific situations like that. 372 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: So well he sounds like ya, he knew that family 373 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: and he knew that. 374 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, he definitely knows more than I do. 375 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, like if it was expunged or whatever, 376 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: then you shouldn't have a criminal record. So someone sounds like. 377 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: Record, I don't have a criminal record. I just have 378 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 4: an arrest. 379 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 5: Record like q q. 380 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: Q q q Q. 381 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you fly planes, I do before you fly planes? 382 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: Do you ever drink a bunch of alcohol? 383 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: I've never, and I promise you this. I so there's 384 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 4: a thing that pilots have. And then eight eight hours 385 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 4: between model and throttle, which means you have to give 386 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 4: it at least eight hours before one drink before you 387 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: can five wan. 388 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: And do you do you religiously follow the rules of 389 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: bottle and to throttle? 390 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely well. 391 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: I believe you. 392 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: I actually believe you. 393 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: And look, you know me and Allison were no Federal 394 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Aviation Administration. 395 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: But you don't know that. 396 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that Allison could 397 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: be a secret FA agent. 398 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: I think if there's a on your record that does 399 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 2: an arrest from when you were fifteen, I believe, isn't 400 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: it when you're eighteen it gets cleared and then they 401 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: shouldn't be on your record? Is that a thing or 402 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: is that? 403 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Is that a thing? And is that a thing in Australia? 404 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. Did I just dream that? 405 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: Possibly that's an interesting thing to dream. 406 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: But I feel like if it's juvenile, it doesn't apply 407 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: when you're an adult. Do you know what I mean? 408 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: Hugh? If you need us to show up in court 409 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: in the gecko suits and testify for you, we will. 410 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: And that's and that's the important thing I think you 411 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: should glean. 412 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: That is this that I'm down? But is it? So 413 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: then your medical records, when they're trying to do your 414 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: medical or whatever, it's saying you hadn't you had an 415 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: arrest when you're fifteen, That's that's the problem. 416 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's a betting that's done, like with the 417 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: doctor that you get your medical from, and which I 418 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: mean he makes sure that you can see, you can hear, 419 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 4: and you can do all that. But then there's also 420 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: like a mental betting. So he makes sure that you're 421 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 4: mentally able to fly a plane, and then he makes 422 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 4: sure that there's no like underlying issues like with alcohol 423 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 4: or drugs or anything like. 424 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: That, and he cleared me. 425 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: So but then but then a year and a half later, 426 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: after I got the most frequent medical I don't know 427 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: if the FA just have a backlog of you know, 428 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: here's all of these potential pilots that I you know, 429 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: we'll have a drug or alcohol problem. 430 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: Oh so I guess you're allowed to fly the planet, 431 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: but you're on a list of like, oh, this guy 432 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: might be boozing. 433 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 4: I maybe now I don't know about that, but like. 434 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Listen, letter, what if you made a badge? 435 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what if you made a badge when you 436 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: flew that said hey, I have a record of being arrested, 437 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: but I was fifteen, and it was clear I'd feel 438 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: good about that that you're being honest, you know. 439 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, you should actually should start out, you 440 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: know how you have your opening announcements onto the plane. 441 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: You can you can mention that listening. When I was fifteen, 442 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: I got super drunk and I drove a car. But 443 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: you know that's just what happens when you're fifteen. 444 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 2: And they let me off. 445 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and folks, as much fun is what I'm 446 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: super drunk and fly this plane, I won't do it. 447 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: I think you should just walk around whatever you're doing 448 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: at all times with that badge, and that should be 449 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: like your social media tagline. I think you should own it, Hugh, do. 450 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: Any of these solutions that we've attempted to provide you 451 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: speak to you? 452 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: I no, I just found one story. 453 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Well listen, Hugh. Is there anything else I to say 454 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go? 455 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: I love you all while I've been listening to you 456 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: literally all day. I've been working fourteen hours today hauling 457 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: grain to be Alison. I know of you, and I 458 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: know of the music, but I'm gonna give it a 459 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: little bit more. 460 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: Of a listener. 461 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: You should hell yeah, I like that. Thank you for 462 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: calling you, Thank you. 463 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 4: For calling well, thank you for taking. 464 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: My right He cut off at the end. What do 465 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: you think of Hugh in his situation? 466 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: I think that you. I think it's more an internal 467 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: thing than an external thing. Really like, I feel like 468 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: no one's again. You know, everyone has their own narrative 469 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: going on in their heads. 470 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, the FAA has their narrative. Yeah. 471 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: Like I feel like a fun badge yeah, or a 472 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: T shirt yeah, just kind of owning it. 473 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. I like I feel like when you're 474 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: when you're fifteen, you know you you shouldn't be I 475 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know to what 476 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: degree you should be held to the standards of what 477 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: your life. 478 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: Was like for you're fifteen, that they would wipe that. 479 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 480 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna have to google that. 481 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: Well. I'm glad, I'm I'm glad that there are systems 482 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: in place to, like, you know, well, I guess, I guess. 483 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: I thought there were ye to make it so that 484 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: if you fucked up when you were a kid, you 485 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: could still go on as an adult to live a 486 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: real life. 487 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 488 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: I wonder if Yeah, I wonder if it applies to 489 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: every type of crime. 490 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. If you kill someone at fifteen, you 491 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: you have to you have. 492 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: To answer for that, Like, yeah, no, for sure. Huh 493 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: So I don't I thought that things get scrubbed after 494 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: juvenile age. Anyway, let's speak the badge. I would like 495 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: to see that badge if you do. 496 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: Let's talk to Chase in Philadelphia. 497 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Philly, Hey. 498 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: Is this Chase? 499 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 6: What's up? 500 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: This as wow? 501 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 7: Right? 502 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Lyle and Allison. 503 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 6: Hey, holy shit, Hey guys, how. 504 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: Are you We're doing good? How are you? 505 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: Uh? 506 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 6: Pretty good? Little surprised, but pretty good. 507 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: Chase, What is it that you wanted to talk to 508 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: us about today? 509 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 6: So in the past couple of years, I have gotten 510 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 6: the opportunity to uh be an animator for my profession, 511 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 6: which is, you know, really amazing and I've worked really 512 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: hard for it and uh kind of a goal that 513 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 6: I had for a long time. But uh late I've 514 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 6: been feeling like kind of the anxiety of having that 515 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 6: goal is uh uh, or like the anxiety of possibly 516 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 6: losing this position that I have is kind of usurping 517 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 6: the joy that I get out of the job now. 518 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: So interesting. I feel like that's thematically similar to some 519 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: stuff that we were talking about. 520 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: Really just talking about that, and I think as a 521 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: creative it's so important to not feel like your job 522 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: is a job, do you know what I mean? 523 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 6: Like, yeah, yeah, I definitely do. 524 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: And what's giving you the anxiety? Like it is it 525 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: people that you're working with, or. 526 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 6: It's mainly just like sorry, it's mainly just like the 527 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 6: kind of the thought of like, oh man, what happens 528 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 6: to my life if I if I don't get this 529 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 6: or if this if I fuck up somehow basically, or 530 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 6: if they don't have the money anymore? Then exactly if 531 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 6: I go back to the pit, I climb my way 532 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 6: out of the pit. Now what happens if I go. 533 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: Back, Well, if you go back, it'll make you stronger. 534 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: The one advice I will give you, just from my 535 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: own experience of many times having that similar thought, so 536 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: just so you know you're not alone and very valid, 537 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: is you cannot be scared to fail, because you've got 538 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: to fail eventually. It's something you just have to know 539 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: and be prepared that that's okay and that's going to happen. 540 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 2: But if you don't put yourself out there, you're never 541 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: going to know either way. And then if you do fail, whatever, 542 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: then you try another way to do it. And again 543 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: there's always options, there's always ways to do it. And 544 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: if you you just have to work hard and see 545 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: what happens and put yourself out there honestly, or you're 546 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: just going to be you know, you don't want to 547 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: be really old and go what if you know? 548 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's honestly all really good advice. I also wanted 549 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 6: to ask you guys, like probably you both can relate 550 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: to this when you are achieving or like really trying 551 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 6: to get a goal or something like that, and then 552 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 6: you get it. Usually you go okay, like I need 553 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 6: to go to the next step where I need to 554 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 6: keep working or whatever, and something I. 555 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: Think you actually said this earlier else and. 556 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 6: Like feeling like guilty when you're not really like doing anything, 557 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 6: or like you're kind of relaxing a little bit. I've 558 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 6: felt that for the past two years. It's just like, Okay, 559 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 6: I got here, I got to stay here. And if 560 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: I ever kind of black off a little bit, I'm 561 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 6: a you know, I don't deserve this position or whatever. 562 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: You know what it's called, and we all have it. 563 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: It's called impost. Like we feel like everyone feels foster. 564 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 2: Everyone feels like a fraud at some point. Sometimes I'm 565 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: like up at Red Rocks or Lollapalooza, We're playing this 566 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: show and I'm like, holy fuck, am I like in 567 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: a d MT trip right now? Is this all happen? 568 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: Like you know what, Yes, even if you're in this 569 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: is your d MT trip, Like just that's that's your 570 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: reality right now, and it is happening. The guilt I 571 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: feel is when something really good happens, like in a 572 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: less work, like and I didn't and it just kind 573 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: of came to me because I'm so used to having 574 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 2: to pit through everything. But I think that, uh, the 575 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 2: you know, what you should focus on is like what 576 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: can I do next? What's next? Instead of like being 577 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: complacent in where you're at, because I think that keeps 578 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: us driven and excited, and as creatives, it's really important 579 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: to have that excitement and drive towards what's next. 580 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: So to that chance, Uh, what like specifically for you, 581 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: do you think would would be next? 582 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 6: I don't know. I've kind of been trying to think 583 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 6: about it, like, uh, I don't know. Like before I 584 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 6: became where I got this position, it was like a 585 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 6: really pie in the sky idea for me. So now 586 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 6: that I've got it, I work in the education sector, 587 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 6: so I make like, you know, little cartoons for uh, 588 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 6: you know, two to seven year olds to help them 589 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 6: like learn English. So I'm like, Okay, since I'm already 590 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 6: in there, I might as well pivot to another education 591 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 6: company or something that works like that. And uh, that's 592 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 6: not necessarily what I really want to do, But if 593 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 6: I'm working as an animator, I'll be I'll be happy regardless. 594 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: You know what, what is it that you you said 595 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: that that's not necessarily what you want to do. What 596 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: is it that you do want to do? 597 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 6: I mean the dream is to like, you know, have 598 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 6: a show on adult Swim and you know, creative and everything. 599 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: So can I can I do you like do YouTube 600 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: or TikTok or anything like that, because I mean, the 601 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: fastest way to have your own show is to just 602 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: start making it. 603 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. 604 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 5: True, you know I. 605 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 6: Have an Instagram, but I don't do TikTok. I've been 606 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 6: trying to hold out. And while I actually emailed you, uh, 607 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 6: trying to trying to solicit animation services or see if 608 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 6: you need it at you Well, listen. 609 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: You don't need me. You don't need a belt swim. 610 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: You do need TikTok, you need yourself. 611 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: You like, just do it, because here's the thing people 612 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: like always ask, oh, you know, how do you start 613 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: writing songs? Like how do you do this? Blah blah 614 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: blah blahlah. Just fucking do it, and it's gonna be pit. 615 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be pit for a bit. 616 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be pit for a bit. 617 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: You don't feel like for everyone until it doesn't. But 618 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: you just got to do it. You just got to 619 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: do it. If that's what you want to do, you 620 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: don't want to be like one day like what if, 621 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: like fuck it. You go to your nine to five 622 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: animation job, make really cool cartoons for little kids in English, 623 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: which I love, and then at night just sacrifice a 624 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: couple of hours sleep and just do it. Put yourself 625 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: out there. 626 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: You can make all your fucked up Hentai animation. 627 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 628 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: I know you got going on in that brand of yours. 629 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: We want to see it, but you should just do it. Honestly, 630 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: the only way that either of us where we're at 631 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: is we've been like, well fuck it, let's just do it. 632 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: Let's do it, and it sucks. 633 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: It's so much rejection. You're gonna hear a lot of no, 634 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: but just do it. 635 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: How do you? 636 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: How do you? 637 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: How do you feel right now? Chase? 638 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie. I feel pretty motivated. 639 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: My heart is really good a little bit, don't. 640 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I should quit my job. And 641 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 6: just nobody. 642 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Said no, no, Chase. Nobody said you had to. Nobody Chase. No, 643 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: we're not telling you to stop doing things. We're telling 644 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: you to start. No. 645 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you're gonna have I am mad 646 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: at you, Chase right now. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 647 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: you keep doing that because also you don't want to 648 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: fuck that up, like there's gonna be people that will 649 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: appear in your life in ten years from that you met, 650 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: from when you met at the animation company, and you're 651 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: gonna be doing it like you've got to do it 652 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: on top of it. Just again, like add a couple 653 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: of hours to your day and just do it, like 654 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: drink some Yoba mate, drink some red Bull whatever you energy. 655 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: Don't do the other illegal things or do it. I don't. Yeah, no, 656 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: and just do it, I honestly, because otherwise you're not 657 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: going to do it and it's never gonna happen for you. 658 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: That's that's just real talk, you guys, right. 659 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 6: And also I was one hundred percent kidding. I would 660 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 6: I would never ever quit this job. It's less thing 661 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 6: going to. 662 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: Chase the's anything else you want to say to people 663 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the computer before we go. 664 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 6: No, I'm so happy I got to get on Alie 665 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 6: in Wonderland. You have been really helpful and I really 666 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 6: appreciate it. 667 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 5: Lyle. 668 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 6: Thank You're the best, and I love walking you. Man. 669 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Chance. We'll talk to you soon. 670 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 6: Thanks man seated. 671 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: I like that guy. I hope you know motive. He's 672 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the thing about motivation, about feeling fired up. 673 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: It only lasts for so if you're still watching tonight, 674 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: oh yeah, just fucking make something. Even if it sucks 675 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: and you don't like it, just make it. 676 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: I wish I would have asked him what he wants 677 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: to make. 678 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna assume it's HENTI I. 679 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: Did assume it was hint well, because I feel like, 680 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: here's the thing is, if you have a if you 681 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: have a job like doctor, I'm about to say something 682 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: that's probably made up. But the cool thing about being 683 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: on a podcast is that you can just say stuff 684 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: without having to fact check any of it. I'm pretty 685 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: sure doctor Seuss made like fuck he made like fucked 686 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: up like sexual cartoons. I think so, because like and 687 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: that make it makes sense. Like if you're like, if 688 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: you like make work like he does with like like children, stuff, 689 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: like everything you make is like all wholesome and like nice, 690 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: You're like, you need a catharsist for all your like 691 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: fucked up ideas, you know what. That's why I assumed 692 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: he's making weird. 693 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: But that's true because everyone that I've met in my 694 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: life that outwardly do really fucked up things and the 695 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: most chill normal people interesting. 696 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: They're getting it out there. Yeah yeah, yeah, and. 697 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: We all have it and like I, you know, like 698 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: people I'm really close to when I first met them, 699 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: their career was blah blah, and then I'd be like, 700 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: oh God, this person's fucked in the head for sure. 701 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: Can I can I? 702 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the thing you were telling me 703 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: about when we were walking from here to the studio 704 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: or do you not want to talk about that? 705 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 2: What was? It? 706 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: Was the Kermit stuff? 707 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: How much I love Oh yeah, okay. 708 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: Like can you told me you had like an album 709 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: of Kermit? 710 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have an album of Kermit fucked up 711 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: Kermit photos on my phone. Yeah, and I look at 712 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: them a lot, like my friends only send me Kermit. 713 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: He's like literally there's there's like they're really offensive. 714 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: It was like it was like miss Piggy like sucking 715 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: his dick. 716 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Miss Piggy is sucking his dick like him, like 717 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: with his dick out him, like snorting cocaine like him, 718 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: like bondage, like tied up to a bed with like 719 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: there's like really muscly cerment. There's Cowboy Coermit. There's one 720 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: do you know goatsy. 721 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: Is that? Who is there? 722 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 2: That's a meme? Don't google it. It's where a guy 723 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: has bent over spreading his butthole. Don't google it. 724 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: I want to google it. G O G and he's g. 725 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: O A T people people who know what this is 726 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: on Urban Dictionary. 727 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: Oh, it says four or four. 728 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: I don't even want to look at it. But there's 729 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 2: I have a Kermit doing that, but he's like a puppet, 730 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: so he's bent over and he's hands of like spreading 731 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: open the puppet hole. That's one of my favorites. 732 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: Where do you find these pictures of Kermit's butthole? 733 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 2: Honestly, when I like imagine, like my search history is 734 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: just like. 735 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: Naked you guys definitely got a tab. 736 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: I just genuinely google like weird Kermit or fucked up 737 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: Kermit or like old Kermit. It's just like there's so 738 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: many things that people have made with Kermit that like 739 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: he's become this thing to me that just brings me 740 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: so much joy because he lived so many. 741 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Lives and you know, it makes it kind of to 742 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, Kermit, very wholesome, family friendly show. 743 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Them up as show he has probably fucked up things. 744 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: That's why he wants to get like tied up, That's 745 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: why he wants to do. 746 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 747 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: Within, But I. 748 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: Feel like a lot of people when you're in a 749 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: like you'll notice this in with you know, when you 750 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: watch a documentary of someone and it always it's always 751 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: because they're like so controlled or like they're not you 752 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. 753 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: That's why Kermit needs to let loose a little bit. 754 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: Kermit. We need Kermit at the rave. 755 00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, I see j How are you sorry? They 756 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: have nothing to apologize for that I know of Oh 757 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: my god, what's what's going on with you? 758 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 8: Sorry? I am totally flabbergasted. I did not think this 759 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 8: is going to happen today. 760 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: No, do you need a second? Do you want to 761 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: take a breath? 762 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you one second. 763 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: Take a breath. 764 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 8: Hang out. 765 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: We're here. We're here with Uh. I'm a gecko. I'm 766 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: here with Alison. She's a gecko as well. We're two geckos. 767 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: We're talking to people on the phone. We're hanging out. 768 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: Not what's going on. 769 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 8: So I'll kind of tell you what I told the 770 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 8: call screamer. But like, please, I'm trying to hook up 771 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 8: with my coworker, but I can't tell if he's really 772 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 8: like vibing with it or not, because there's a lot 773 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 8: of layers to like maybe why he wouldn't vibe with it. 774 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 8: You know what's the ma he would? 775 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 2: So he said he said he would hook up with 776 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 2: you to you. 777 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 8: Yes, So like, do you want me to like explain? 778 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 5: Yeah? 779 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, what what are these layers that are causing friction 780 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: with this? 781 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 8: Okay, So I have a fiancee and it's totally consensual 782 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 8: for me to hook up with other people. He knows 783 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 8: all about this and everything, so it's not like I'm 784 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 8: doing this behind their back or anything. Sure, the coworker, 785 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 8: but the co worker, he had a thing with one 786 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 8: of our other co workers and it's still very like 787 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 8: up in the air if they're going to like get 788 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 8: together or not. So, but. 789 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, would you be down to like fuck this guy 790 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: just for your own satisfaction and stead the pot with 791 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 2: this girl? Like are you friends with this girl? 792 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 6: No, I'm not. 793 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 8: I only worked there like on the weekends, if anything, 794 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 8: like maybe once a month. 795 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: Can I ask when you say it's a job, when 796 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: you say it's up in the air that they might 797 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: get together. What exactly does that mean? 798 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 8: So from what. 799 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 9: I've been told of, the situation is basically like he 800 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 9: liked her and she liked him, and they were talking, 801 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 9: and then she went away to school very far away 802 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 9: and said, like I don't want to like have a relationship. 803 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 3: I'm gone, you know. 804 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 8: Okay, So she said that or like not that she 805 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 8: didn't want to that. It was like a heavy Oh, 806 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 8: maybe we'll get. 807 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 2: Together and is she coming back same? 808 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 6: Yeah. 809 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 8: And that's like another thing is we're all supposed to 810 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 8: go out as like a group this weekend and she's 811 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 8: gonna be there. 812 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 2: I would suss it out this weekend. 813 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, that's the thing about like 814 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: having sex with your coworkers and is like if things 815 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: get weird, it's like now it's it's an It's infiltrated 816 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: your day to day life. You have to see these 817 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: people all the time. 818 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: Like is this just a sex sexual thing for you 819 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: or is the feelings involved? 820 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 8: This is mostly just a sexual thing for me, Like 821 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 8: she's definitely my friend and like I have had like 822 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 8: a little baby crush, you know. But then we like 823 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 8: talked about like the dynamic of like kind of how 824 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 8: this would go, and it just kind of solidified for 825 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 8: me that no, this would just be like you are 826 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 8: my friends with benefits. 827 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 2: You know, do you think if you did this, if 828 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 2: you're looking at long game and big picture, and the 829 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 2: other girl was involved, it would get messy if she 830 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 2: found out. 831 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 8: I I don't know, because we recently talked about like 832 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 8: her and him having a conversation, and every time he 833 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 8: tells me about her, it seems like she's very uninterested 834 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 8: in being with him, and like she's trying to beat 835 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 8: around the bush of letting him down. 836 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 3: You know. 837 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, this guy is single. 838 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: It's up to him. 839 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, this guy's single. The green light, you're you've 840 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: got the green light. You're in an open relationship. I 841 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: don't know what's this girl? Why is this girl? She's 842 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: all the way over in what Europe or something, and 843 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: she's influencing things going on over here. 844 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: So she's not his girlfriend and they haven't made a 845 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: committed decision to be with each other exclusively. It's not 846 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: up to you to make that decision, yeah, And like, yeah, 847 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 2: it is really up to him. 848 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Like we've tried to like arrange actually, like 849 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 8: you know, doing the deed, and every time I end 850 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 8: up being busy, and I end up being busy, and 851 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 8: then the next time I like bring it up, I'm like, 852 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 8: I'm not busy right now, Like we could do it, 853 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 8: and he's like yeah, but I'm just like going through 854 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 8: it like about her. So it's not like I worry 855 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 8: that if I like put it on too strong, he'll 856 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 8: be like, oh, but I'm so emotionally messed up now 857 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 8: from like, but. 858 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 2: Doing this, you've given him opportunity, right, Yeah. 859 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: Can I say this? I I any like in this 860 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: in the whole romantic sexual sphere of life when things 861 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: should be you know, fairly clear. And I hope that 862 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: you are not losing sleep over this, yeah, because this 863 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: is like this just sounds so annoying. 864 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 2: It sounds like it's going to drain you. 865 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: It's just like annoying and like, don't just don't waste 866 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: time on it. Yeah. 867 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 2: It sounds like he Okay, from what I'm hearing is 868 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 2: if he wanted to, he would, right he And he's 869 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 2: maybe enjoying the attention that you're giving him as a 870 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 2: distraction from this girl. And I'm just I just think, 871 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: like you can do better. 872 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, go find like, go and find someone who's like, yes, 873 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: I will be there. 874 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 2: In five minutes. And he's like, you know you want that, 875 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: you want someone who like it's too much effort for 876 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: someone that you're not going to be in a relationship with. 877 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: It is just like, just go find like another dick. 878 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about all of that? CJ? 879 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 2: I love that for you have options. 880 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know, I have this weird thing 881 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 8: whenever people are like too gung ho about me that 882 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 8: I'm like, it'll leave me alone. 883 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: You know. 884 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 8: It's some sort of attraction to the chase, and I'm 885 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 8: just and I also enjoy the attention. 886 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: Though, Okay, so are you are? Are you both enjoying 887 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: just fucking with each other? 888 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you just have to stop chasing him and 889 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: just like enjoy the attention and then it's up to him. Really, honestly, 890 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 2: at this point, you've given him so many opportunities. 891 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: CJ. Is there anything else you want to say to 892 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go. 893 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 8: Live your life and have a good one? 894 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: Hell you too, man, It's good. 895 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 2: It's a good one. Hell yeah to CJ. 896 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: I liked CJ that hurt my brain a little bit. 897 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 2: Though, I honestly was just like, if you wanted to, 898 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 2: he would, yeah, straight up, and she deserves. 899 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know that. It was just 900 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: a lot of it was just a lot of effort, 901 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: Like she knows, like she knew too much about that, 902 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: about that girl, Like why do we even know this? 903 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: Why do we know that she's what it was? 904 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,919 Speaker 2: To keep it simple if it's going to be like 905 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 2: a sex thing again, clarity and keep it simple. 906 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, How are you feeling, Alison? How are you 907 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: enjoying being a get goo and talking to. 908 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 2: People on the phone, loving and living my life? 909 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: Beautiful? Beautiful? 910 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: Great, everyone's awesome. 911 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: Everyone's been really cool. You know what I love about this? 912 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: And you know, when I first started doing this, I 913 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: was like I didn't even screen the calls. I was like, 914 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: people are just going to call in and like yell 915 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: things and not in actual conversations. But time and time 916 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: again we do this stream and people call in and 917 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: they have things going on in their lives that they 918 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,479 Speaker 1: want to talk about. 919 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 2: You know what, you probably feel crazy before you say it, 920 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 2: and then when you say it out loud and someone's like, 921 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 2: I totally what you mean. 922 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, people in chat are like, holy shit, I feel this. 923 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 2: You totally feel not alone anymore and validated. I'm actually 924 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 2: so impressed that she was just like, had that chat 925 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 2: with I would never be I'd be so bad at that. 926 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: I've never been able to be like, yo, so would 927 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 2: you hook up with me? 928 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: Like? I've never oh with the guy with. 929 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 2: Just the guy like no, no, not like the guy 930 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 2: like going up to someone in general and saying that 931 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 2: to me, do. 932 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: You hook up with me? 933 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 2: I could never could never do. 934 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: I respect that she has the uh, the the gusta 935 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: like before and about it. I'm sure the guy appreciates 936 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: it too, because it's good to know what people are 937 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: thinking and feeling about things. 938 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 2: There's no way I would be able to do it. 939 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 2: I'd be terrible at it, be like so egg plant 940 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 2: emergeny question mark. 941 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,280 Speaker 5: Mike, Hey, wile Alison, how are you hello? 942 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: What's up? Dude? 943 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 5: Not too much? I'm excited, be on. I didn't think 944 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 5: this would happen. 945 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: Hey, you know, uh, I never thought that I would 946 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 1: be sitting here in a get go suit. I don't 947 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: think Alison ever thought she was sitting here in a 948 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: get go suit. 949 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,720 Speaker 2: It's the best thing that's happened. 950 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: All three of us are currently existing in a situation 951 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: we never thought whatever happened, so we all share that 952 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: in common. What's going on with Mike? 953 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, speaking of things that we never thought 954 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 5: would happen. Part of the reason I called today is 955 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 5: because today I'm at a point in my life where 956 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 5: I'm proud to say I've been sober for over five years. 957 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 5: And six years ago, I thank you, yeah. And six 958 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 5: years ago, I was like on the verge of death, 959 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,919 Speaker 5: didn't want to exist any longer. And so the fact 960 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 5: that I'm here where I am now, and I'm not 961 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 5: going to give all the details and tell my whole story, 962 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 5: but I'm kicking ass in life right now. I'm so 963 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 5: proud of myself. My family relationships are incredible, my career 964 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 5: has skyrocketed. But most importantly, I'm just like proud of 965 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 5: me and who I am. And I try my best 966 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 5: to use Yeah. So, you know, I make efforts in 967 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 5: like the Sobriety and Recovery community to help other people, 968 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 5: other younger men who have had similar struggles and you know, 969 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 5: share a bit of my story and experience strength and 970 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 5: hope to help them out and in that realm I'm comfortable. 971 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 5: And then I have like the career world, like the 972 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 5: professional people mis their business, and this is business people 973 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 5: where I almost feel like I have to hide a 974 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 5: bit of myself because when I'm at work, I've had 975 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,479 Speaker 5: the same job for seven years, there's not many people 976 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 5: left that even knew I was struggling with alcoholism, that 977 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 5: even had any idea something was going on. So at 978 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 5: the workplace and in another side business I do, many 979 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 5: people just know I don't drink, and usually when that 980 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 5: comes up, where a drink is offered to me, I 981 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 5: just say, hey, I'm not interested, like not my thing, 982 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 5: and usually they're like, ah, cool, and they just assume 983 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 5: it's because they know them in the working out, or 984 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 5: they just think I'm being healthy or whatever it may be. 985 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 3: But so, is. 986 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: This aspect of your life something that you are are 987 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: afraid of talking to people about or ashamed of people knowing? 988 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 6: You know what? 989 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 5: In the last I'd say, I don't know, I'm not 990 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 5: going to concrete time on it. But in the last 991 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 5: two years I've been I turned a corner where like 992 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 5: when I get to know new people, one of the 993 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 5: first things I'll tell them is that I don't drink, 994 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 5: and I don't know why that changed, but it feels 995 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 5: important to tell people and I'm proud of it. But 996 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 5: the part that is difficult to discuss and where I 997 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 5: like why I'm hearing this call reaching out for some 998 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 5: help and guidance because is in my drinking. I caused 999 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 5: a lot of wreckage. I'd like family for a year 1000 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,440 Speaker 5: for a while, didn't want anything to do with me, 1001 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 5: and I got three DUIs And anyone in the US 1002 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 5: know what that knows what that means. You lose your 1003 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 5: license for ten years. So people that meet me now 1004 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 5: can't even fathom that that's something that's going on with me. 1005 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 5: So I have like a quote unquote professional job, and 1006 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 5: you know, if you look at people don't think alcoholic 1007 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 5: when they see me. And that lack of having a 1008 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 5: license has been preventing has been holding me back. And 1009 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 5: it's a personal battle more so than anything. Because I'm 1010 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 5: not afraid to tell people I don't drink, but when 1011 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 5: there's a social engagement or something going on and it 1012 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 5: involves driving or I need a car to get there, 1013 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 5: I keep finding myself making excuses to not go because 1014 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 5: I'm afraid someone's going to find out or ask what 1015 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 5: like find out I don't have a car, or ask 1016 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 5: like why I'm not driving and I don't have a 1017 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 5: good answer for that. 1018 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,959 Speaker 1: As so you're afraid that people will find out about 1019 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: the three DUIs. 1020 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 5: Right, and so a perfect example microcosmo of this is 1021 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 5: last Friday, some friends from work went out and it 1022 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 5: sounded like a good time. I was game to go 1023 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 5: out and experiences for them, and it was. But then 1024 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 5: when they told me the location, it was like forty 1025 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 5: minutes in the wrong direction away from work, and I 1026 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 5: didn't like, there's no public transportation. That was a good option, 1027 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 5: and Uber is always an option too, but I was like, oh, 1028 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 5: they're going to see me pull up in an Uber 1029 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 5: and call for a neubrun away home and couldn't ask 1030 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 5: that question. 1031 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: So also, you seem like you have some thoughts, so 1032 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:31,240 Speaker 1: many thoughts. 1033 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 2: Firstly, congratulations Again, I was very intimately close with an 1034 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 2: addict for a many amount of years who's now sober, 1035 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 2: yeah and amazing, But during that time did a lot 1036 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 2: of damage and was a completely different person. And I 1037 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 2: was literally right next to them the entire time whilst 1038 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 2: they were in that and recovery. So I understand how 1039 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 2: difficult that is. And I honestly think you're incredibly strong 1040 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 2: and fucking cool for that, for sobering up and getting 1041 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 2: a life together, because it's very difficult, and I've seen 1042 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 2: it firsthand and and it was actually really hard for 1043 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 2: me to I had to go to alan On to 1044 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: deal with my side of it, because you know, you 1045 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 2: have to forgive that. And so I think there's like 1046 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,879 Speaker 2: a lot of heaviness when you think about the reason 1047 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 2: why you can't drive associated with why you can't drive. 1048 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually the fact that you can't drive, 1049 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 2: because to be honest, I don't fucking drive in this 1050 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 2: country at all. I take it was everywhere because I 1051 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 2: don't know. But I think because I think there's like 1052 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 2: just a trauma and maybe like something that you don't 1053 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 2: even realize that it's like associated with the narrative of 1054 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,240 Speaker 2: you not driving that's making you feel embarrassed when again, 1055 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,839 Speaker 2: everyone I doubt firstly is going to notice that you're 1056 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 2: taking an uber or question it. If you're going on 1057 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 2: a night out, doesn't matter even if you don't drink. 1058 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 2: And I think it's you also don't owe anyone an explanation. 1059 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 2: You set your own bou for that if they do ask, 1060 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 2: and they should be able to respect that. And I 1061 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 2: think just knowing that you, like, yes, that is something 1062 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 2: that that happened in its ten years because you had 1063 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 2: three DUIs and you don't don't have a license anymore. 1064 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 2: But focusing on that one negative compared to the amazing 1065 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 2: positives that you've just told us that are like incredible 1066 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 2: and not many people get to recover like that is 1067 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,759 Speaker 2: like maybe limiting you a little bit, Dad, Do you 1068 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 1069 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 1070 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 2: And I think, like, yeah, I think it's not a 1071 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 2: it's a big deal in your head because you associate 1072 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 2: it with such a dark time in your life, But outwardly, 1073 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 2: I really don't think that people are thinking like that 1074 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 2: because it's not their experience. 1075 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 5: Now I feel that, I know, my mind jumps to 1076 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 5: the worst possible outcome of them saying, look in my 1077 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 5: googling my name and saying that the uys come up 1078 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 5: and that that is irrational, right, Like I get that 1079 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 5: as I'm saying it to you. 1080 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,879 Speaker 2: But even if I did, moment, yeah, but even if 1081 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 2: they did, you go, yeah, okay. But now I work 1082 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,240 Speaker 2: with the community. I've turned my entire fucking life around. 1083 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 2: I've been sober for five years, and it was it 1084 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 2: was being rock bottom changed my life for the better. 1085 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 2: Like that's a you can turn that into a positive. 1086 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 2: It's actually not a negative thing. If you've gotten out 1087 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 2: of it. It's actually so inspirational, more than you realize. 1088 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 5: I appreciate that coming from you or from anyone really, 1089 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 5: but yeah, I need to hear that again and again 1090 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 5: and again, because I myself talk sometimes talks me in 1091 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 5: the wrong direction. But you know, right now, I'm I'm 1092 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 5: feeling pretty good about that, you know. And I got 1093 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 5: to practice, you know. I think if I just do 1094 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 5: it more often, it'll get easier again. 1095 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 2: And and no one if you're honest, firstly, you don't 1096 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,399 Speaker 2: have to you don't owe anyone anything. But secondly, if 1097 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 2: you're honest, and I mean, this is a success story, 1098 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 2: it's not a fail story. It's amazing. 1099 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's true. I'm worried that, you know, 1100 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 5: I'm worried about the perception of DUIs and criminals, like 1101 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 5: I'm a bad person. But really, you're right, Like I 1102 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 5: just need to put myself out there. They don't take 1103 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 5: me for who I am. Then that's that's their loss. 1104 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 5: I guess you know, I got. 1105 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: To well, you know, look, Mike, Mike, I think in 1106 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: thinking about uh, you know, criminality and thinking about you know, 1107 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: labeling yourself as bad or good is is a little unproductive. 1108 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, where you stand on the 1109 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: earth at this moment, Uh, the past does not necessarily 1110 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: have to define you. And I think, uh, in terms 1111 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,399 Speaker 1: of what you desire to do, moving forward should be 1112 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: unaffected by anything in your past. So, you know, if 1113 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: you were to label yourself as bad, you prevent yourself 1114 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: from moving forward positively, which is a travesty to to 1115 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,200 Speaker 1: the world because we want more people to try to 1116 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: move forward positively. And yeah, I just hope that you, 1117 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, feeling powered to do that. What is it exactly, 1118 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, moving forward in your life that you want 1119 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 1: to do. 1120 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,359 Speaker 5: I want to raise a family and you know, help 1121 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 5: protect the environment and create a site based stable society. 1122 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 5: But yeah, in my professional career, I'm in a position 1123 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,360 Speaker 5: where I can help produce the impact of of my 1124 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 5: industry on the environment. And that's the career that. 1125 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we love a sustainable care Well, hell, you're honestly 1126 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,800 Speaker 2: feeling it, yes, and honestly set. 1127 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,399 Speaker 5: Boundaries sustainability committee at work. 1128 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 2: That's amazing. But you know what you should do if 1129 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 2: you are struggling to you know, keep practicing and telling yourself. 1130 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 2: What you could do is set boundaries and like almost 1131 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 2: write yourself like a little script of what you are 1132 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 2: okay with saying, you know, just for yourself. 1133 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1134 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 2: And then when someone says, like you haven't have you 1135 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 2: seen the rehearsal Nathan Field up, Like, you know, just 1136 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 2: kind of prepare yourself a little bit so that when 1137 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 2: that comes, because inevitably it probably will, just say that. 1138 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 2: And again, I promise you right now, if you told 1139 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,279 Speaker 2: someone even ten percent of what you told us, they 1140 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,399 Speaker 2: would think you're dope as hell. 1141 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 5: I appreciate that I've let a couple of bad experiences 1142 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 5: or bad conversations jade my thought processes. But your guys, 1143 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,760 Speaker 5: you're helped me set my mind right on the right track. 1144 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:57,879 Speaker 5: Love it, Mike. 1145 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the 1146 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,240 Speaker 1: people of the computer or to me or Allison before 1147 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: you go? 1148 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,760 Speaker 5: Sure real quick. Alison, your music has been the theme 1149 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 5: song to my recovery over the last few years. Ever 1150 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 5: since I discovered your music. Thank you for being you 1151 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 5: and for sharing your experience. That's I couldn't tell you. 1152 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 5: I'm the only one of my friend group that listens 1153 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 5: to you and and and it's my thing. Early in 1154 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 5: the show, you talked about things that are yours and 1155 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 5: not something you do with your friends. My first time 1156 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 5: I saw you live was by myself, and I was 1157 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 5: perfectly happy going by myself. And that's when I heard 1158 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,320 Speaker 5: that when you started the show off like that, and 1159 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 5: I just went the Red Rocks with my brother. Wasn't 1160 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 5: trusted to be with me alone when I was in 1161 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,200 Speaker 5: my drinking and I took them the Red Rocks sober, 1162 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 5: and you know, my family was happy that, you know, 1163 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 5: it was a brother experience. And then for anyone out there, 1164 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,919 Speaker 5: I just if you're struggling with something, ask for help, 1165 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 5: Ask your family, ask your friends, ask a therapist, ask 1166 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 5: two people just up in Gecko costumes, because having the 1167 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 5: willingness to ask for help is the only way you 1168 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,920 Speaker 5: can recover and overcome anything. You know, you're never alone 1169 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 5: if you just have that willingness is the hardest part. 1170 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,840 Speaker 5: But just ask anyone for help and something will stick 1171 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 5: and it will help you get all and move on 1172 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 5: to the next thing. 1173 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. Very much for going cry, have a good 1174 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: rest of the night and keep keep on keeping on. 1175 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 2: Hell, yeah you will. 1176 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:27,440 Speaker 3: I take care. 1177 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:29,520 Speaker 6: You know. 1178 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 2: This is I'm like, don't cry? 1179 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: Do you do? 1180 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 2: You do? 1181 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 1: You have a lot of opportunities where you get to, 1182 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: like really talk to your fans, because the whole thing 1183 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 1: is like talking to the people who listen to. 1184 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 2: I'm very close with my fans, cool, very close with yes, 1185 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 2: my family. 1186 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, Mike has an interesting thing, and he is 1187 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: a thing that I think about a lot lately. I 1188 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: think societally, we are very obsessed with labels. This person 1189 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: is bad, this person is good, this person is this, 1190 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 1: this person is that, and for whatever reason, justifiably so, 1191 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: you might have to apply that label. And you know, 1192 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: people are compelled to apply those labels because those people 1193 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: do things that elicit very emotional reactions. 1194 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's also just now, especially in the age of 1195 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 2: social media, everything is so instant, instant opinion, instant gratification, 1196 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 2: instant definition. It's like way more labeled than it ever 1197 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 2: has been. 1198 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: I feel, and you know, Mike is struggling with delabeling 1199 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: himself so that he can as a human body on 1200 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: the universe. Right now, move forward, productively and that's just 1201 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: what we want. 1202 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 2: Sounds like he's doing that which so many people struggle with, 1203 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 2: so it's so cool. Makes me like even yeah he he. 1204 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 2: It was very very familiar story and like close to me, 1205 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, okay, yeah, no, 1206 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 2: I get it, and no one should judge you when 1207 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 2: you're trying to change it's it's probably very hard. 1208 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I uh yeah, it's a big it's a 1209 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: big thing. I guess. I guess we're trying to hoing 1210 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,920 Speaker 1: in on that. I feel like it's so easy to 1211 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: get all pissed off all the time. 1212 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's so easy. I got pissed off. 1213 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, all the time. 1214 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: What was the last thing that really pissed you off? 1215 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 2: My manager drove me today here because I don't drive, 1216 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 2: and he was vaping in the car and I lost 1217 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,560 Speaker 2: my ship and I was just like, well, the air 1218 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,440 Speaker 2: conditionings are like nah, you. 1219 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Know, I don't. I don't vape, but I like when 1220 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 1: other when people around me vapes, because I think, yeah, 1221 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: like when someone has a fucking like Captain Crunch vape 1222 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: or something that I'm into that so chemically. 1223 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 2: And I was like like get it the fuck away 1224 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 2: from me. Bro Okay, look at my feet. Do you 1225 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 2: think that I could go on only fans with me? Yeah? 1226 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,040 Speaker 1: So then you then you'd be diluting my only fans market, 1227 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: because what if we did it joint feet a joint 1228 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: feet pick gecko only fans. Yeah, this has to be 1229 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,680 Speaker 1: there's something in the works with that. 1230 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 2: I feel like there's always someone that there's one person, 1231 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 2: at least one person in the world that like checks 1232 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 2: off to gecko feet. 1233 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,960 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi? Is this Don? 1234 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:22,800 Speaker 2: Hello? 1235 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: This is Don Don. 1236 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 3: How are you good? 1237 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Good? 1238 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 3: How are you guys with these doctor geckos? How are 1239 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 3: you tonight? 1240 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: We're good, doing pretty good, Don. Look, it says here 1241 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: that you have an eighteen year old son who you 1242 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,920 Speaker 1: say refuses to get a job and needs motivation. Is 1243 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: that correct? 1244 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,600 Speaker 3: That is that is one correct? 1245 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Okay? Do you do you want to go into this 1246 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: within your own words? 1247 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 3: Sure, I'll give you a little bit of background, Yeah please, yeah. Yeah. 1248 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 3: He's almost hatby nineteen in December, he's graduated high school 1249 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 3: about two years ago. Now, he's with a ged we 1250 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,960 Speaker 3: did it online during COVID and has gotten very complacent 1251 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 3: with paying at home and not being social and doesn't 1252 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,720 Speaker 3: have any friends anymore, and now it's time to get 1253 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,720 Speaker 3: a job and he's just doesn't He's not going out. 1254 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 3: He has a lot of anxiety. I think too about it. 1255 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 3: But he's always been a social person before all this happens. 1256 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 3: So it's I'm not sure where to go with him 1257 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 3: with it. It's he's just anything we've tried. He wants 1258 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 3: to do therapy, but wants to do in person, which 1259 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 3: is hard because he gets very particular with therapists and 1260 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:58,400 Speaker 3: won't talk to people. I need some advice. 1261 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, the fact that he open to going to therapy's amazing. Honestly, 1262 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good positive And I think 1263 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 2: letting him know that he's understood and like not alone 1264 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 2: in feeling a little changed from the pandemic when we're 1265 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 2: all alone and kind of forgetting how to be social. 1266 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us went through that, so again, 1267 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 2: like that is something that you should remind him. And 1268 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just remember my dad kicking me 1269 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 2: out of the house. 1270 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Your dad could care of the house when you're eighteen. 1271 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 2: He's like, time to go to the net. 1272 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Really, I love it. 1273 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm glad he did it. I love my dad. 1274 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Do you are you suggesting that Dawn kick her son 1275 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: out of the house. 1276 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 2: My dad literally went time to leave the nest. 1277 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 1: What were you going to say? 1278 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 6: Though? 1279 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 3: He just moved out with my ex husband. So he's 1280 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 3: not with me, but he is with my ex with 1281 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 3: his dad, which is a good situation. They have a 1282 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,160 Speaker 3: nice new house and he's remarried now but again and 1283 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 3: he's just in his room now, in the basement, not 1284 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 3: being social, not getting a job, same pattern as he's 1285 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 3: had for the last couple of years. 1286 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 2: And does he play games? Like what does he do 1287 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 2: in the basement? 1288 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,800 Speaker 3: I mean he has his own room's down there. This 1289 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,120 Speaker 3: is a new house. It's a nice big house, but 1290 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 3: like video games, it's mainly video games. He had a 1291 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,440 Speaker 3: girlfriend for the last four almost five years. 1292 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,720 Speaker 1: What happened there. 1293 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 2: He was moving. 1294 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 3: It was probably about four weeks ago, and then he 1295 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 3: moved two weeks after that, about an hour and a 1296 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 3: half away from me. And uh where his girlfriend is too? 1297 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,479 Speaker 3: Uh she lives in this area. But so now he's 1298 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,160 Speaker 3: a little bit further from everybody with his dad, and 1299 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 3: I think fills more secluded. When you know, want therapy, 1300 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 3: He's reached out, but you know, now he's eighteen, I 1301 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 3: can't make appointments for him anymore, and he won't call 1302 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 3: to make any Yeah, perhaps. 1303 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 1: To you don because you're really I mean, he's eighteen. 1304 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: If you really wanted to, you could be like, hey, 1305 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: figure it out yourself, kid, but you're like a real 1306 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,120 Speaker 1: mom dad, like figure it out. Yeah. I mean, I 1307 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: really commend you for I mean, you're clearly putting in 1308 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,439 Speaker 1: the effort here. 1309 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 2: But I also I mean clearly I'm not sure what, 1310 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 2: but yeah, he's your baby, and he probably has like 1311 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 2: depression or anxiety, honestly, and to be and when you're 1312 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 2: feeling like that, it's it's really hard to like motivate 1313 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 2: yourself to pick up a phone and cool therapist. It's 1314 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,360 Speaker 2: really hard. And right, has he opened up to you 1315 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 2: about like if he has any mental health concerns. 1316 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,960 Speaker 3: Yes, he's always had a very open relationship. He's come 1317 01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 3: out before that he was bisexual live four years years 1318 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 3: ago to me, has talked to me openly about things. 1319 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 3: You know, he's had a girlfriend for the last couple 1320 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 3: of years as well, but you know, openly says he's 1321 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,000 Speaker 3: open to any type of relationship in the future. And 1322 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,480 Speaker 3: you know, so he's a very open minded person. He's 1323 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 3: got good head on his shoulders. It's just this whole 1324 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 3: anxiety I think about going out into public again and 1325 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:28,200 Speaker 3: and being with the population. He doesn't like going to 1326 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,240 Speaker 3: the store anymore. He won't go to the movies, he 1327 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,040 Speaker 3: won't go out and eat dinner, he won't go do 1328 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 3: anything publicly. And I'm not sure why. 1329 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:38,960 Speaker 1: And that changed. 1330 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 2: He lost two years. 1331 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 3: It was before the pandemic a little bit as well, 1332 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 3: you know, and then I think that just made it worse. 1333 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 2: Have you spoken to his guilt? Well, now ex go 1334 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 2: from But did she ever mention anything to you? 1335 01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: Oh? 1336 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were they were both young, you know, 1337 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,600 Speaker 3: they were high school sweethearts. So they were all through 1338 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 3: high school together and young love. That's what I talk 1339 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,919 Speaker 3: all relationship up to, because you know, a little love 1340 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 3: here and there, and it's it was young love. 1341 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: So is he trying to do Is he trying to 1342 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,439 Speaker 1: get a job or go to college or anything at all? 1343 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,440 Speaker 3: No, he talks about it. I want to do it. 1344 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out. His dad's gonna take 1345 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 3: him out tomorrow. They'll they'll go around town. He'll go 1346 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:42,560 Speaker 3: online look for jobs. 1347 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 1: He always talking about but never doing it. 1348 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 6: Yep. 1349 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:51,600 Speaker 2: I mean the amazing thing that you know, he sounds 1350 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,640 Speaker 2: so self aware, which I think is so rare for 1351 01:07:54,760 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 2: someone that age, which is a huge positives from my 1352 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 2: personal thing. I don't know if this is correct, but 1353 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 2: you can't really force anyone to do anything until they 1354 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 2: do it. 1355 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that this is a really 1356 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,000 Speaker 1: tough anytime anyone you know, calls into this and is 1357 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,480 Speaker 1: talking about something, you know, whatever the relationship is, mother son, 1358 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, boyfriend, friend, whatever it is. It's so so 1359 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,960 Speaker 1: difficult these kinds of situations because like you clearly care, 1360 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,680 Speaker 1: you care enough to call in to talk to two 1361 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,920 Speaker 1: geckos about it, you care enough that you're invested in 1362 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,479 Speaker 1: your son's life. But it's so fucking hard because it 1363 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much you care, and it doesn't matter 1364 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 1: how much you're trying. It doesn't matter what you say. 1365 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, whether you're his mother, 1366 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: whether you're whatever, you can't make anyone do anything. It's 1367 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: a tough just fact of life that you have to accept. 1368 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,639 Speaker 1: And so I think that you, I mean, for your 1369 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,799 Speaker 1: own personal sanity, Dawn, you know, I think you provide 1370 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,760 Speaker 1: as much support as you can. You let him know 1371 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 1: that you're there for him, and then at the after 1372 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,120 Speaker 1: you've done all that, it's like, you can't when he's eight, 1373 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: you can't drag him into his life. And it's a 1374 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: tough thing to accept. 1375 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 2: But I think, but you are honestly being such a beautiful, 1376 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 2: caring person to him, and for him to be so 1377 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,800 Speaker 2: self aware at that age, like, oh my god, when 1378 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,080 Speaker 2: I was eighteen and didn't even I was like, definitely 1379 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 2: not that, not that, like I was, yeah, you know. 1380 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 2: But I think also at that age he's just so 1381 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 2: lost in this onny. I think it's just like a 1382 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,560 Speaker 2: lot going on in the world right now. So I 1383 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,400 Speaker 2: think just being supportive and trying to enco I mean, 1384 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,640 Speaker 2: one thing I thought about is what if you and 1385 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 2: his father and his wife got together and spoke about 1386 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,440 Speaker 2: it together. 1387 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: Like a little intervention, even just with the. 1388 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,360 Speaker 2: Three of you. I think it might be intimidating with 1389 01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:58,800 Speaker 2: your kid. 1390 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 3: That might be something in the future that we can do. 1391 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 3: Me and my ex have a better relationship now. You're 1392 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 3: married twenty two years and divorced for almost six now, 1393 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,559 Speaker 3: so we have a better relationship now than we did 1394 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,400 Speaker 3: the twenty two years we were married, so we talk, 1395 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 3: you know a lot. Yeah, now so that his wife 1396 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 3: and I have met many times, you know, I've so 1397 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,559 Speaker 3: that wouldn't be a problem to be able to do 1398 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,640 Speaker 3: something like that if it's and I think in the 1399 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 3: future that needs to happen, because I don't want to 1400 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 3: see him keeping this up for another year and another year, 1401 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 3: because it goes by so fast. 1402 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think until yeah, I think, well, if it 1403 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,920 Speaker 2: makes you feel better, I was a freaking idiot when 1404 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:50,560 Speaker 2: oh my gosh. 1405 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,719 Speaker 1: What's tough. Thing? I mean, that's the thing is if listen, 1406 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,559 Speaker 1: here's the thing is if the next you know, if 1407 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,880 Speaker 1: this year, next year, the year after that don't work 1408 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: out for him, you know, he's he's not out of 1409 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: help yet. He's got planning, Pilly more years left on 1410 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: this earth to be a human being, So it might 1411 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,840 Speaker 1: just take him a little bit longer. But it sounds 1412 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,840 Speaker 1: like he has. 1413 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:14,280 Speaker 2: A stable support network around him, which is amazing, and honestly, 1414 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,599 Speaker 2: it might be worth just calling your ex husband up 1415 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 2: and his wife and being like, hey, guys, what should 1416 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 2: we do, and like coming up with a little plan 1417 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,640 Speaker 2: together if he can't, if he's got too much anxiety 1418 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 2: to call a therapist or find a therapist, because I 1419 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 2: think actually making that first step is really difficult. I 1420 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 2: think if he finally decided to do it, it would 1421 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 2: be easier, but just that first, you know, step into 1422 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:43,639 Speaker 2: that is hard. So I don't know, maybe just talking 1423 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 2: to the family and getting some support for that. 1424 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Don great down. Is there any other aspect of this 1425 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: that you feel like we didn't cover or anything else 1426 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 1: that you you want to say to me Alison or 1427 01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go, No. 1428 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,720 Speaker 3: You guys have been actually wonderful. Was my first time 1429 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,439 Speaker 3: calling in and you yeah, first time going in and 1430 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 3: it picked up right away and I got right through 1431 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 3: to you, So it was meant to be that. Yeah, 1432 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:18,519 Speaker 3: thank you. 1433 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, good luck to you and to 1434 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,160 Speaker 1: your son, and you know I we appreciate you, you know, 1435 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,559 Speaker 1: clearly showing out of care. 1436 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, thank you geckos A, have a good night. 1437 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 2: Don What were you? 1438 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:37,920 Speaker 3: Thank you you too? 1439 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, what were you like at eighteen? 1440 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,840 Speaker 1: Was I like? At eighteen, let's see what was I doing? 1441 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,840 Speaker 1: I was like doing a lot of stand up, I 1442 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,280 Speaker 1: was making movies, I was playing. Yeah, I was like 1443 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,960 Speaker 1: make a little movies with my friends. That's what I 1444 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,760 Speaker 1: did in high school, like a little like comedy shorts 1445 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,959 Speaker 1: and like short films. We would like enter film festivals 1446 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 1: and ship. Really yeah, it was awesome. 1447 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I want to see them. 1448 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,640 Speaker 1: You want to see them, I'll send you want to 1449 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,640 Speaker 1: they're all you know, it's fine is they're all on 1450 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,320 Speaker 1: every like the YouTube channel that like I'm going to 1451 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: post this on if you're watching this right now on 1452 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,240 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash lyle forever, and you go to 1453 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120 Speaker 1: my videos and you sort it by oldest. All of 1454 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: the ship that I made in high school is still 1455 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,439 Speaker 1: up on this channel. I never I didn't like to 1456 01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 1: take no, I think I think people. I mean it's 1457 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't like, I don't like promote it, 1458 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: but it's there, you know. I Occasionally I'll get like 1459 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,559 Speaker 1: a comment on old videos that's like this is the 1460 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,760 Speaker 1: Gek before he was the Gecko, and I'm like, hell, yeah, 1461 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad people are finding that stuff. 1462 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,920 Speaker 2: Whoa, that's crazy. Very like you're writing as well, like 1463 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,360 Speaker 2: writing these films and yeah, sick, so sick. 1464 01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a guy, a good and it was 1465 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,320 Speaker 1: I did it with all my friends and all the 1466 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,920 Speaker 1: people I made those movies with, I'm still really good 1467 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:04,519 Speaker 1: friends with. So whoa, Yeah, yeah, I've had a nice life. 1468 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I love that for you, Thanks Allison. 1469 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,240 Speaker 2: Like what a great gecko. Thank you turned out to be. Well, 1470 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:13,799 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go watch them honestly tonight. 1471 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:14,559 Speaker 1: Please. 1472 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,240 Speaker 2: When I when I can't sleep, I go through YouTube 1473 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,719 Speaker 2: and I just like watch people's like I go deep 1474 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,599 Speaker 2: in their channels. 1475 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,960 Speaker 1: But watch if you're gonna watch anything, what and if 1476 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,080 Speaker 1: anyone listens to this is going to watch an old 1477 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,879 Speaker 1: movie of mine from high school. Watch watch a Passion 1478 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,080 Speaker 1: for Espionage. I'm in you can find that. A passion 1479 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:34,599 Speaker 1: for espion. 1480 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,639 Speaker 2: That's gonna be me tonight. 1481 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,759 Speaker 1: What were you like when you were eighteen? 1482 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,719 Speaker 2: I was actually a classical cellist and I was living 1483 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,240 Speaker 2: in Europe. 1484 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,679 Speaker 1: What Yeah, you were a classical Yeah. 1485 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 2: I still play it at Red Rocks I was playing. 1486 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,839 Speaker 2: So that's why I write strings and stuff. 1487 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: I love that for you because you went from because 1488 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,920 Speaker 1: you play like modern like elect me, like electronic music 1489 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,320 Speaker 1: that's like music of the fucking future, And to be 1490 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: a cellist that's. 1491 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 2: Like music polarity, right, yeah. 1492 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,479 Speaker 1: Very very much. Yeah, the polarity of that. 1493 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. My entire background is I was a classically trained 1494 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,960 Speaker 2: cellist and then came back and then went fuck it, 1495 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 2: like after studying and you know, spending my entire life 1496 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 2: eight hours a day doing scales, and I'm gonna join 1497 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,559 Speaker 2: it a punk band. And I joined a punk band 1498 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 2: and I was like fuck that. I'm going to make 1499 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 2: my own music on a computer where it can make 1500 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,599 Speaker 2: all the sounds myself. And that's how that happened. 1501 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,160 Speaker 1: Do you still listen to punk music? Yeah, there's a 1502 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,519 Speaker 1: there's a there's an Australian punk band that I really 1503 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,800 Speaker 1: like you. Yeah. I think they're newled called Amal and 1504 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,640 Speaker 1: the Sniffers. 1505 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I love them so cool. 1506 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,160 Speaker 1: She's so cool. I saw her at Coachella. 1507 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 1508 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I was like, these guys rock. 1509 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 2: They fucking rock the roll. 1510 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I like that. 1511 01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,120 Speaker 2: Shout out Ammal and the Sniffers. We we like you 1512 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:54,880 Speaker 2: guys a lot. 1513 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely I want to see them next 1514 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,559 Speaker 1: time that they're I think they were. 1515 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,679 Speaker 2: At She's so cool. She's got the crazy stage presence. 1516 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just just like walks like walking around like 1517 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:05,880 Speaker 1: fuck it and like love it. 1518 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 2: It looks cool. 1519 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,320 Speaker 1: She does look very very cool, she has like a 1520 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,919 Speaker 1: good like she's like a great voice. 1521 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everything, I like it. 1522 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Do you so from punk and cellicism? 1523 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:19,800 Speaker 2: Cellicism? 1524 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 1: Do you incorporate any of those sounds into what you do? Now? 1525 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 2: There's a lot of strings in my songs and it's 1526 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 2: usually me on cello. And when I like, when I 1527 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,679 Speaker 2: talk about punk like, it's kind of just I don't 1528 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,000 Speaker 2: like to like if my vocal there's like a song 1529 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,640 Speaker 2: weird sound in it, I like to keep it in there. 1530 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how punk that is, but 1531 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 2: I mean I think just being yourself these days is 1532 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,400 Speaker 2: very punk, I guess. 1533 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, do you still go to punk shows? 1534 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,760 Speaker 2: I used to until like maybe five years ago, and 1535 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,040 Speaker 2: now I just sit at home and call music when. 1536 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,519 Speaker 1: You go, when you go out places like you go 1537 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: to the music shows and stuff, do a lot? Do 1538 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: people come up to you? 1539 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:56,960 Speaker 6: And? 1540 01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Holy al, I wonder, yeah, how is that great? 1541 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 2: As well? It's fine like everyone I actually tweeted on 1542 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,400 Speaker 2: my side account today, just like everyone I've met usually 1543 01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 2: like really really fucking cool and creative and great and 1544 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,320 Speaker 2: but that I remember when I was living in New 1545 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,639 Speaker 2: Zealand last year for a little bit, Uh, I was 1546 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:23,719 Speaker 2: walking down the street with like literally I can't explain, 1547 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,599 Speaker 2: like the most unshowered hair up and a pony. I'd 1548 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:33,040 Speaker 2: been working on the album type thing and I was 1549 01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,479 Speaker 2: walking to get cheese because I wanted to make myself 1550 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 2: a cheese platter. And this girl was walking down the 1551 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,320 Speaker 2: street in Wellington in New Zealand, and I looked up 1552 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 2: and she was crying and I was like, oh my god. 1553 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,920 Speaker 2: And I didn't it didn't again, like my perception of 1554 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:48,880 Speaker 2: me is I always. 1555 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: Forget that people my public person. 1556 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,960 Speaker 2: I don't think about it. And actually it happened to 1557 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 2: the end of the day. Someone came up and they're 1558 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,800 Speaker 2: like Allison. I was like yeah, and they went to 1559 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,240 Speaker 2: hug me, and I was like, who do it? And 1560 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,519 Speaker 2: then I realized that people know you. Yeah, but I 1561 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 2: didn't like and I flinched and I felt so bad 1562 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,960 Speaker 2: because I just come out of acupuncture. So I was like, 1563 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 2: oh sure, and then but yeah, she was crying, and 1564 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,920 Speaker 2: I was like, just like being a good civilian, I 1565 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:13,960 Speaker 2: was just like, are you okay? 1566 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,479 Speaker 1: Like you thought she was just like a and then 1567 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,000 Speaker 1: she just was like you're. 1568 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,320 Speaker 2: Some church like changed my life and like started crying. 1569 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, no, you need a hug, 1570 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,880 Speaker 2: and so we had like a really good hug. It's nice. 1571 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,920 Speaker 2: And then actually at Red Rocks, I was freaking out 1572 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,559 Speaker 2: because the truck broke down carrying my stage and was 1573 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,120 Speaker 2: only up an hour before the show. It was like 1574 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 2: a fucking disaster. And so I was doing soundcheck when 1575 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,800 Speaker 2: doors were opening, and so I was singing and checking 1576 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 2: my vocals and there was a girl working at Red Rocks, 1577 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,120 Speaker 2: and I didn't know where to go, so I just 1578 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,639 Speaker 2: walked up to her and then turned out she knew 1579 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,360 Speaker 2: the song, and we had like a big hug and 1580 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,479 Speaker 2: it made me feel better. 1581 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: So that's nice. Nice everywhere you go you had you 1582 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: run into these like moments. 1583 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really it's really nice. I don't go out though, 1584 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,920 Speaker 2: I myself sometimes have a little bit of anxiety going 1585 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:05,960 Speaker 2: out and going to party. 1586 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,519 Speaker 1: So I'd like to are you not? Are you not 1587 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:08,240 Speaker 1: a party person? 1588 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,840 Speaker 2: I not really, And when I did in the past, 1589 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,599 Speaker 2: it was, you know, I would be in the corner 1590 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,160 Speaker 2: or I just feel better behind the decks or alone 1591 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,679 Speaker 2: in my room. 1592 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,600 Speaker 1: What is it about the party environment that gives you anxiety? 1593 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,760 Speaker 2: I just don't think I'm naturally off stage unless it's 1594 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,599 Speaker 2: like one on one and like I feel a connection 1595 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,120 Speaker 2: with someone, I don't really feel extroverted. 1596 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,640 Speaker 1: Do you ever? Do you ever feel as though you 1597 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: have some type of like public persona that that you 1598 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,080 Speaker 1: pressure to live up to. 1599 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:39,400 Speaker 7: Never? 1600 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,599 Speaker 2: I never do. Like what you read on my Twitter 1601 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,240 Speaker 2: is one hundred percent word vomit from my head to 1602 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 2: my mouth, I mean from my head to my fingers. 1603 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,919 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm very much like my songs are 1604 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:58,559 Speaker 2: very much my words, my lyrics, real experiences. There's really 1605 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,600 Speaker 2: nothing about me that's not me. It's more just like 1606 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 2: I get overwhelmed when there's like a lot of things 1607 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 2: going on, and I'm not like, I don't know you do. 1608 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,040 Speaker 1: You feel like over stimulated sometimes very much? That's interesting 1609 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,639 Speaker 1: because I feel like the universe that you live in 1610 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,959 Speaker 1: of like electronic music is all about stimulation. 1611 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,920 Speaker 2: But when you're like hyper focused and you're in your zone, 1612 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 2: it's not that does that make sense? When I'm taken 1613 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 2: out of it, Like even walking in a shopping mall 1614 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,960 Speaker 2: or whatever, if it's like too loud or too many 1615 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,600 Speaker 2: people or there's too many lights, like I'm like ah, 1616 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:38,120 Speaker 2: and I don't know, Yeah, I'm just kind of I 1617 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,320 Speaker 2: think a lot of people are like that and they 1618 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:41,080 Speaker 2: just don't talk about it. 1619 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,960 Speaker 1: What do you do all the time? Do you like 1620 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,759 Speaker 1: read books? Do you have on the internet. 1621 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,040 Speaker 2: I say it's actually a joke. When the pandemic happened, 1622 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:53,960 Speaker 2: my parents joked that I was in heaven because I 1623 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,719 Speaker 2: was alone in a room all the time. I'm always 1624 01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,280 Speaker 2: alone in a room, you know. I tour, I'm a 1625 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,360 Speaker 2: solo artist, so it's it's just kind of my comfort zone. 1626 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,879 Speaker 2: My comfort thing is being in like a small space 1627 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:10,719 Speaker 2: in my head. 1628 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,679 Speaker 1: There's, you know, this interesting beautiful contrast of like one 1629 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,240 Speaker 1: moment you're in front of what like ten thousand people 1630 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,559 Speaker 1: at a show like Red Rocks or something, and then 1631 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's all the stimulations everyone and everything all 1632 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 1: the time, and then you afterwards sit in a little room. 1633 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1634 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,679 Speaker 2: I actually can't really be around people afterwards. It's really 1635 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 2: hard because I'm I'm so giving every single ounce of 1636 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,599 Speaker 2: myself outward when I'm playing. I love it. It's actually 1637 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,800 Speaker 2: my face. It's the most I feel myself is when 1638 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,320 Speaker 2: I'm doing that. So either that or just like sitting 1639 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,639 Speaker 2: in my studio, it's like the most I feel myself. Ever. 1640 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,160 Speaker 1: What do you do after a show? How do you decompress? 1641 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm just like alone, Yeah, I'm alone, and like, yeah, 1642 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,160 Speaker 2: my crew kind of jokes like I'm very easy. She 1643 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:03,479 Speaker 2: just sits alone. Really do anything? Yeah? Occasionally, Like I'll 1644 01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:08,519 Speaker 2: go to a party, but I can't really remember the 1645 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,519 Speaker 2: last time I just went to a party. If I 1646 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,040 Speaker 2: want to see like one of my friends playing, like 1647 01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,840 Speaker 2: I love going to live music, that's always fine, Like 1648 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,120 Speaker 2: and I actually like that. I can wear a mask 1649 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,360 Speaker 2: now and just kind of just chill. But I love 1650 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 2: watching live music and going to see my friends play, 1651 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 2: and you know, that's obviously what I'm passionate about. But 1652 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,320 Speaker 2: if I was just at like a normal party, I 1653 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:31,639 Speaker 2: just want to be behind the decks. 1654 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Do you do you do you? You don't like? Do you 1655 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,280 Speaker 1: like to schmooze at all? No? 1656 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,040 Speaker 2: I hate it? I hate it. I hate it. And 1657 01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,320 Speaker 2: it's been a huge It's like my number one anxiety 1658 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,920 Speaker 2: is I never a'm around backstage. People think I'm cold, 1659 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,120 Speaker 2: but I just have anxiety, Like I sit in my trailer. 1660 01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm a terrible networker. I find it really difficult to 1661 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,800 Speaker 2: DM people or approach people. I always have I always 1662 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,000 Speaker 2: like felt from my gut that if someone fucked with me, 1663 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,719 Speaker 2: they would just like organically fuck with me. Sure, and 1664 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,920 Speaker 2: I find it like really hard to put myself out 1665 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,880 Speaker 2: there like that and try and sell myself true. Yeah, 1666 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,400 Speaker 2: it's really doesn't seem genuine. And I really can't operate 1667 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 2: when something's not genuine. It's really difficult, and I have 1668 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,920 Speaker 2: a terrible poker face. It's a joke as well. You 1669 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,960 Speaker 2: can tell when I'm not in a when I'm like 1670 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,519 Speaker 2: not fucking with someone and it's not I'm never mean, 1671 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,800 Speaker 2: I just like I can't look at them in the eyes. 1672 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,840 Speaker 1: I can't like, well, it's an interesting thing you brought 1673 01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,880 Speaker 1: up of, like you know, you saying that people think 1674 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 1: that you are cold. Sometimes even it's just anxiety. 1675 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:31,280 Speaker 2: This just get nervous. 1676 01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of I think like when 1677 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,599 Speaker 1: people you know, act a certain around a lot. 1678 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,479 Speaker 2: It's usually actually around artists when I'm meeting like no 1679 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,560 Speaker 2: like normal people, but like people that aren't in the industry. 1680 01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,400 Speaker 2: It's just like the backstage energy or the energy of 1681 01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 2: people doing schmoozing. For me, my intuition, my body can 1682 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,599 Speaker 2: sense when things are not genuine. And look, there are 1683 01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,840 Speaker 2: so many amazing genuine people in the industries. So I'm 1684 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,519 Speaker 2: not saying this is like it, but even just feeling 1685 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,880 Speaker 2: that one time for me is like enough for me 1686 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,120 Speaker 2: to leave the room. I can't be around it. It's 1687 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 2: really difficult, and I get really like grow like not gross, 1688 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,240 Speaker 2: I just like energy wise, I can't be around it. 1689 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell you. 1690 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Or do you feel like you're good at reading people's 1691 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: intentions and energy? 1692 01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:13,639 Speaker 7: Yeah? 1693 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,160 Speaker 1: And whatnot? Very interesting? 1694 01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah interesting, it's like really easy for me. I 1695 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,599 Speaker 2: think that also just comes from life experience. I'm like, 1696 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,720 Speaker 2: my intuition has always been strong, but like following it 1697 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,640 Speaker 2: now and really listening to it, I'm really good at it. 1698 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,439 Speaker 1: Have you ever had been in a situation or I 1699 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 1: had a time where you your intuition was wrong? No? Never, 1700 01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:32,719 Speaker 1: no never. 1701 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,320 Speaker 2: I mean it's funny I've ignored my intuition and then 1702 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,960 Speaker 2: I've been right, you know, or like the thing where 1703 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,320 Speaker 2: you say you make up a new narrative sure to 1704 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 2: like convince yourself otherwise when you're dedicated to something sure sure. 1705 01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, like my intuition's always been right and I 1706 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,519 Speaker 2: should have fucking listened to it earlier. But you know, 1707 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,840 Speaker 2: whatever you learn, you live in your line. 1708 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,639 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I 1709 01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,400 Speaker 1: try to. I try to follow my intuitions sometimes, but 1710 01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm I am always checking my intuition because 1711 01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,679 Speaker 1: I can never know everything. 1712 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know everything. That's why we try 1713 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,960 Speaker 2: and ignore it sometimes. But your gut, your gut's very strong. 1714 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,080 Speaker 2: We feel vibes. 1715 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: You never like think about your gut intuition and you're like, oh, 1716 01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,679 Speaker 1: maybe I'm fucking wrong all the time. 1717 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,960 Speaker 2: Like now not so much, but yeah, like when I 1718 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,240 Speaker 2: would change, like if someone doesn't feel right to me, 1719 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:31,760 Speaker 2: I don't really, I'm like no, But you know, back 1720 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,160 Speaker 2: in the day, we be like, oh but I can 1721 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,920 Speaker 2: fix that person, or like maybe I'm wrong because there's 1722 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,760 Speaker 2: this part of them and it's more like a wide eyed, 1723 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,840 Speaker 2: do wide approach to versus your intuition. And now I'm 1724 01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,360 Speaker 2: just kind of like nap. 1725 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,400 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like if you've had a lot of experience, I've. 1726 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,439 Speaker 2: Met so many people, you know, like so many people, 1727 01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,120 Speaker 2: I've met every single different type person you can imagine, 1728 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,559 Speaker 2: like touring that much like most years, I was like 1729 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 2: seeing my bed once one month a year. 1730 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,480 Speaker 1: You know, you do you like people. 1731 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm very like I'm a very one on one person 1732 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,880 Speaker 2: and when I think someone's when I when I get 1733 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,800 Speaker 2: a really good like vibe with someone, I love them 1734 01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,320 Speaker 2: like I'm and I love the idea of people and 1735 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,240 Speaker 2: what they can be. But I get a little disappointed 1736 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,760 Speaker 2: when I see what some people are capable of. 1737 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Have you have you had a lot of people like 1738 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,080 Speaker 1: disappoint you in your life. 1739 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,840 Speaker 2: I've had major disappointments from a few people, like really 1740 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,360 Speaker 2: big ones and the ones that you look every day 1741 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,639 Speaker 2: someone's going to disappoint you, But I brush them off. 1742 01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,560 Speaker 2: I move on. I don't hold that grudge, like I 1743 01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,280 Speaker 2: said earlier, like I'm I just take the l and go, Okay, 1744 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,719 Speaker 2: well you know now I know not to waste energy 1745 01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,240 Speaker 2: on that person or whatever. But yes, I've had some 1746 01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:03,200 Speaker 2: big l's from like like a few instances in my life, 1747 01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:09,000 Speaker 2: and I, yeah, really got majorly in the pit because 1748 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000 Speaker 2: of it. 1749 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Has it has it like permanently affected your your perceptions 1750 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,000 Speaker 1: of people? These these l's that you're. 1751 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,639 Speaker 2: Talking, Oh yeah, it made me better, Like it made 1752 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 2: me a better person actually in what way, Like I'm 1753 01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,920 Speaker 2: not bitter at any of it. It actually again like 1754 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,920 Speaker 2: taught me gratitude for like other perspectives of other things 1755 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,760 Speaker 2: that turned out from those situations, because in hindsight, I 1756 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,960 Speaker 2: was like, oh fuck, I'm so fucking glad that happened then, 1757 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,600 Speaker 2: because now this and that led to that to that 1758 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,439 Speaker 2: to that, and without that, that would have been here. 1759 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,200 Speaker 2: And so I try and think of it like that, 1760 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,800 Speaker 2: and you know, I believe in karma and I have 1761 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,479 Speaker 2: to just like let it go because I don't want 1762 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:45,400 Speaker 2: to stretch. 1763 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,160 Speaker 1: You're following the timeline and you're like, well, everything that 1764 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:49,799 Speaker 1: has happened. 1765 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:50,880 Speaker 2: To me very donny daarko wing. 1766 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Sure. I watched that movie a while ago. I'm trying 1767 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,559 Speaker 1: to remember the. 1768 01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,880 Speaker 2: Song from that, which one echoing the Bundy. 1769 01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Mandic kind of Gary. 1770 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,120 Speaker 2: Jule's cover of Tears for Fears, Mad World. 1771 01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,960 Speaker 1: Mad World. Yeah, yes, anyway, I. 1772 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,200 Speaker 2: Don't even know that soundtrack's amazing, echoing the Bunnyman, the 1773 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:10,760 Speaker 2: Killing Man. 1774 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,800 Speaker 1: Do you think from all the people that you've met 1775 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:18,280 Speaker 1: in your personal experiences, do you believe in general that 1776 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,640 Speaker 1: people are good or at the very least have good intentions. 1777 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,920 Speaker 2: I do, and I have read this book called The 1778 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,400 Speaker 2: Four Agreements, and one of the biggest takeaways I got 1779 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,439 Speaker 2: from it was to never take anything personally and the 1780 01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,400 Speaker 2: way that people react towards you, because a lot of 1781 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,320 Speaker 2: the time they're projecting and so again, like everyone has 1782 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,320 Speaker 2: their own narrative going on, and I like to believe 1783 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,800 Speaker 2: that at people's core, unless you're a psychopath or a 1784 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,720 Speaker 2: sociopath and you feel emotion, there is guilt that you 1785 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,000 Speaker 2: feel and you have to live with. You might not 1786 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,360 Speaker 2: show it to everyone, but you know, I do believe 1787 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,840 Speaker 2: that there's reasons behind everything, and I'm pretty philosophical in 1788 01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,800 Speaker 2: the way that I see things. But that doesn't like, 1789 01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,559 Speaker 2: that doesn't soften me. Like, if someone I feel like 1790 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,719 Speaker 2: is not going to positively affect my life, I don't 1791 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,280 Speaker 2: really let them in. And that was something I had 1792 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,400 Speaker 2: to learn to do because I was usually. 1793 01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,639 Speaker 1: It's a it's a skill. I mean, you're I think 1794 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about like just trying, and it's a lot 1795 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:17,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of thematically what we're talking about ties 1796 01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,520 Speaker 1: into a lot of our calls. You're just being intentional 1797 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,840 Speaker 1: about your life, you know, intentional about the people you 1798 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,000 Speaker 1: bring in, intentional about the things. 1799 01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really important if someone constantly feels like they're 1800 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:32,040 Speaker 2: draining you and like not bringing like you're not uplifting 1801 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,240 Speaker 2: each other. You just might not be right to be 1802 01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,519 Speaker 2: hanging with each other. Sure, you know, maybe someone that 1803 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,599 Speaker 2: they meet is better for them and will uplift them. 1804 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,519 Speaker 2: And you know that's I have to think of it. 1805 01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Would you like to take more phone calls? 1806 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:46,519 Speaker 2: Hell? 1807 01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, DARB is that you? 1808 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,519 Speaker 7: Yes, it's made Arb. 1809 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,479 Speaker 4: You can call me Brad for sure. 1810 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,839 Speaker 1: Okay, how's it going, Brad? 1811 01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,760 Speaker 2: Because Bradford, But. 1812 01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? 1813 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:07,479 Speaker 5: Man? 1814 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,680 Speaker 7: And uh, nothing much. I just you know, wanting to 1815 01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:16,960 Speaker 7: call in talk about my grandson Bubby. But before that, 1816 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,200 Speaker 7: I just wanted to say I really enjoy you'll show 1817 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:23,200 Speaker 7: and you know, God boss all and God bless you too. 1818 01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,400 Speaker 7: You guys doing a really good job, you know, God 1819 01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:33,320 Speaker 7: bless and not bought and you know leading kings into 1820 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,080 Speaker 7: Gording Lord and O g backtw and God bless my 1821 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,799 Speaker 7: Chrmain and Brett Hart and Owen Wilson, and God bless 1822 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:47,559 Speaker 7: Richard Christie, so Howard Horne and Robbin and God bless 1823 01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:52,960 Speaker 7: us in the city chiefs, and God bless Jesus. Then 1824 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,080 Speaker 7: we don't have God. 1825 01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,839 Speaker 6: And uh, you know, God bless g g Allen. 1826 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:11,839 Speaker 1: You know, so Brad, So Brad so Brad, Brad, Brad, 1827 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:14,960 Speaker 1: oh you hung up? 1828 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,599 Speaker 2: I feel like Bless g Allen. 1829 01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,680 Speaker 1: You know right, he like takes ships on stage. 1830 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,800 Speaker 2: Now people take ships on his. 1831 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,920 Speaker 1: Grave, and that's probably what he would have wanted. 1832 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,760 Speaker 2: That's what he wanted. They do it. He loves, He 1833 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:28,240 Speaker 2: probably loves. 1834 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,960 Speaker 1: You know. What he upsets me is when people hang 1835 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:32,559 Speaker 1: up on the bit. It's like, I don't know, you 1836 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,479 Speaker 1: can do a bit. I don't care, but if you're 1837 01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,360 Speaker 1: gonna listen, if you just if you're gonna call in 1838 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,600 Speaker 1: and do a troller a bit, I don't care, but 1839 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:40,240 Speaker 1: don't hang up. 1840 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,599 Speaker 2: Let's talk forgot's make it funny. 1841 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't even care if it's funny. I just just 1842 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,599 Speaker 1: when they hang up, it's like we could have gotten 1843 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,280 Speaker 1: into something. 1844 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,639 Speaker 2: No, yeah, but you know what, it was a nice 1845 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,880 Speaker 2: palate cleanser. It was. 1846 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,200 Speaker 1: But I will I will like who was that guy? What? 1847 01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:55,600 Speaker 1: I have so many questions. 1848 01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,519 Speaker 2: I love how it was like Kansas City chiefs g Allen. 1849 01:31:58,560 --> 01:31:59,439 Speaker 2: I feel like he said. 1850 01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,240 Speaker 1: Taco bell is he did say Taco bellt I. 1851 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,160 Speaker 2: Love that, Like God, bless talker. 1852 01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,040 Speaker 1: Well, he was so scared, it was it was very 1853 01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Why was he he was like scared. He thought that 1854 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,400 Speaker 1: we were gonna get mad at him. I'm not mad. 1855 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. 1856 01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,479 Speaker 2: We agree, though I don't think God blessed talker belt why. 1857 01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't know why he like was he thought he 1858 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,439 Speaker 1: was gonna get in trouble if he didn't hang up immediately, Like, 1859 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:20,120 Speaker 1: that's not that we. 1860 01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,479 Speaker 2: Can Maybe you just need to get it out. Maybe 1861 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 2: you just need to do some blessings and hung up. 1862 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:26,599 Speaker 2: This is the most comfortable outfit. 1863 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice. 1864 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,439 Speaker 2: Right, What if I rebranded and then I'm just like 1865 01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:31,560 Speaker 2: a gecko, DJ. 1866 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,120 Speaker 1: Please do it. We need more visibility. 1867 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,760 Speaker 2: Geckos alizard Wonderland, Alizard Wonderland. 1868 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:45,040 Speaker 1: That's the name of this episode thematically. Okay, Allison, to 1869 01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,559 Speaker 1: wrap up some themes. So we've experienced over the course 1870 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,880 Speaker 1: of no. 1871 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,280 Speaker 2: Fear taking, risks in a happiness, risk, the pit, being 1872 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,200 Speaker 2: prepared to fucking go through the pit. 1873 01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like forever everyone was kind of going 1874 01:32:59,160 --> 01:32:59,679 Speaker 1: through a pit. 1875 01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,280 Speaker 2: You know what, life comes in waves, order to disorder, 1876 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,240 Speaker 2: and then you need disorder to get back into a 1877 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,920 Speaker 2: different type of order. Always makes sense in the end. 1878 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,479 Speaker 1: Allison, thank you very much for doing this stream with me. Man, 1879 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,400 Speaker 1: what is there anything you want to say to the foe, Well, 1880 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,680 Speaker 1: tell us. I want to let you plug stuff. I 1881 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:22,559 Speaker 1: mean just any. 1882 01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,960 Speaker 2: General nothing really to plug. Just if you haven't heard 1883 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,040 Speaker 2: of me, I would love for you to check that out. 1884 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,440 Speaker 2: I got new music dropping. But actually I just announced. 1885 01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,559 Speaker 1: That now Alis in Wonderland on YouTube or spelled with 1886 01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,439 Speaker 1: one L A L I s. 1887 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:42,679 Speaker 2: O N Wonderland, and I mean anywhere. I'm on Twitter, Instagram, 1888 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,080 Speaker 2: sometimes TikTok. I like looking at TikTok a lot, like 1889 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,280 Speaker 2: I try and do content, but I like to show 1890 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,559 Speaker 2: my shows on TikTok and it's fun. I don't really know. 1891 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,160 Speaker 2: I just look. If you vibe with me, check it out. 1892 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,320 Speaker 2: If you're not totally cool as well, Allison, it. 1893 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,719 Speaker 1: Has been honor Geking with you. Please check out Alice 1894 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:03,400 Speaker 1: in Wonderland. 1895 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:04,719 Speaker 2: That was Geking awesome. 1896 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was Geking awesome. 1897 01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1898 01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,559 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see our lizard Wonderland. Whenever you 1899 01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,599 Speaker 1: do it, I love it. And this was a pleasure man. 1900 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,000 Speaker 1: Thank you very so good. 1901 01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,400 Speaker 2: This is my dream to be a green thing. 1902 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,880 Speaker 1: Have a good night. Folks goes on the line taking 1903 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:26,840 Speaker 1: your phone calls. 1904 01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:27,479 Speaker 3: Every night. 1905 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,400 Speaker 2: The beacon goes to on his eye. You're just teaching 1906 01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,599 Speaker 2: you cloud in the of your life. That's not really 1907 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,560 Speaker 2: an expert