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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you. From how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Caroline and I'm Kristen, and today we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: little girls wearing makeup and don't get don't get angry yet.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it because I remember wearing

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Speaker 1: bright pink peel off nail polish as a child and

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Speaker 1: thinking it was so super fantastic. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it be fun if we engaged our listeners in

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Speaker 1: a in a little trip down memory lane to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, makeup we wore in the eighties, but that's

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Speaker 1: not what the Internet thinks. No, little did we know

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Speaker 1: that we were digging into a parent bologosphere firestorm over

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Speaker 1: the appropriate age for girls to wear makeup. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of contention out there about this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you like when I was when I

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Speaker 1: was a kid, I had I have two older sisters,

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Speaker 1: um and a mom that also like, doesn't leave the

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Speaker 1: house without lipstick on. I love you Mom. So there

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Speaker 1: was you know, there was lots of makeup in the house.

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Speaker 1: I also had the sticker, uh, nail press on, nail decor,

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Speaker 1: nail art, I guess which would be in vogue today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I really didn't. I didn't think much of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would have times when I would go into the

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Speaker 1: makeup closet there was literally like a makeup cabinet, and

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Speaker 1: I would come out looking like a clown. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what we were children and we were playing.

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Speaker 1: I was just telling Kristen that when I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: my godmother gave me like this humongous tray like radical

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Speaker 1: colors of of eyeshadow, just like ginormous. It was as

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Speaker 1: big as like Rhode Island. I had this human, this

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Speaker 1: amazing supply of eyeshadow at my disposal, and I would

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Speaker 1: just play with it. I wasn't attracted to the dark colors,

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Speaker 1: but I really liked the blues and the purples. I

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Speaker 1: was fantastic. I remember, I remember the blues. Now, I

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Speaker 1: think where the debate starts is when the child leaves

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Speaker 1: the home. It seems like it's no big deal for

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Speaker 1: the most part, if a kid wants to, you know,

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Speaker 1: put some cookie eyes shadow on and run around. But

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Speaker 1: if the child wants to leave the home like that, well,

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Speaker 1: get ready to be scrutinized. Yeah, and God forbid you

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Speaker 1: blog about it. Earlier this spring, Lindsay Cross, who's a mom,

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Speaker 1: wrote a blog post on mommyish dot com about her

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Speaker 1: four year old daughter's interest in makeup, and she described

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Speaker 1: it as a bonding routine, you know, because her daughter

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Speaker 1: and naturally is curious about it and wants to participate,

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Speaker 1: also wants to explore. Now, this blog post attracted so

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Speaker 1: America did an interview with her to to talk about

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Speaker 1: this and the way that she she writes the post

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Speaker 1: isn't like, yeah, I buy my four year old daughter makeup,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, she's a lot prettier with some

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Speaker 1: blush on. That's all I'm saying. No, she actually says.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's an excerpt from it. She says, for my

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Speaker 1: little girl, makeup feels like something we do to show

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Speaker 1: that an event is important to us. It's an extra

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Speaker 1: step that lets us spend a little frivolous time with

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Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fund for her. But then when

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Speaker 1: makes me pretty. The debate continues, Yeah, there is a

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Speaker 1: major backlash. Everybody's saying that the daughter is too young,

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Speaker 1: that she's falling prey to society's notions of beauty and uh.

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Speaker 1: An adolescent psychiatrist, even I'm dan Henry Paul said that

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Speaker 1: four is definitely too young. Quote. The use of makeup

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Speaker 1: in some ways can be addictive, and what these children

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Speaker 1: would be addicted to is the pursuit of perfection, the superficial,

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Speaker 1: the skin deep, I'm only as good as I look attitude. Well,

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Speaker 1: and then there's the whole big fear as well that

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Speaker 1: the sexualization of girls. Essentially, you you let a girl

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Speaker 1: at too young of an age put on some lipstick

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Speaker 1: parent Dish, he says, uh, if in parentheses, she's putting

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Speaker 1: guys will notice him. Those are dangerous signals. However, if

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Speaker 1: So some mixed some mixed signals. But but let's also

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Speaker 1: pre tweens, six to eight year olds. The beauty products

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Speaker 1: Geo Girl that a lot of people are kind of

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Speaker 1: various lines. Uh. Johanna Moony from Disney Consumer Products says

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Speaker 1: that a ten year old doesn't need anything to be beautiful, right,

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Speaker 1: so that's good. She says, they want to be playful

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Speaker 1: and we want her to feel that she is feeling good.

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Speaker 1: So okay, well that's okay, Well you are okay. You

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Speaker 1: You know, when I was a pretween, Caroline, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to live my best life. I always feel good.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to put on your I cream at night,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I was still in the sandbox. I

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Speaker 1: I just indulge in some fantasy? Please? Please, mother, let

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Speaker 1: me engage in fantasy. Yeah, you mentioned Walmart selling Geo Girl.

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Speaker 1: Target another big box retailer. You can go there get Hello.

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Speaker 1: Kitty Brand cosmetics also cover Girl that doesn't mark it

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Speaker 1: directly to the younger's nevertheless, has the ads featuring Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 1: which has also been interpreted as a marketing move to

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Speaker 1: those tweens and pre tweens. I'm not gonna stop. One

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Speaker 1: thing that is sort of ridiculous about the Walmart Geo

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Speaker 1: So they have names like the T two G cleanser,

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Speaker 1: Walmart and the Geo Girl line are all natural but

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Speaker 1: include anti aging ingredients. Riddle me that. Christine Ponger also,

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Speaker 1: which is the marketer of Bonnabelle and Lips Smacker makeup lines,

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Speaker 1: I know about you, Caroline lips smackers. I knew a

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Speaker 1: know how she weaned herself off of it. But when

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Speaker 1: Leslie Gibbs says, girls start cosmetics usage really as young

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Speaker 1: their their marketing research group. They did confirm the regular

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Speaker 1: use of certain cosmetics is rising sharply among tween girls.

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Speaker 1: They didn't get into the pre tween They said that

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Speaker 1: the NPD group. Um, the average age UH the girls

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Speaker 1: course it makes sense that we have lines like Geo

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Speaker 1: And finally, she says, be nice. Not all of us

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