1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business App, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wednesday edition of Bloomberg Sound On. I'm 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: Joe Matthew in Washington. This day after Donald Trump's arraignment 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: in Miami. Of course, it was a long day for him. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: He made his way back to New Jersey before it 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: was all over to address supporters in a speech that 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: he delivered at his Bedminster golf club, giving us a 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: peak into his defense. 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: Threatening me with four hundred years in prison for possessing 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: my own presidential papers, which just about every other president 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: has done, is one of the most outrageous and vicious 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 3: legal theories ever put forward in an American court of law. 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: Then again, his former Attorney General, Bill Barr was pretty 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: clear about his feelings on this on Sunday morning on 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Fox News. 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 4: There's the government's documents. They're official records. They're not his 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: personal record. Battle plans for an attack on another country 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 4: or Defense Department documents about our capabilities are in no universe. 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 4: Donald j Trump's personal documents. They are the government's documents. 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: Let's get up to date with Jordan Fabey and Bloomberg 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: White House correspondent who spent time in the briefing room 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: during the Trump years. Great to see, Sir, coming off 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: the speech last night at Bedminster. I suspect you feel 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: like you've seen that speech before, but it does give 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: us a preview of not only his legal defense, but 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: what will be his re election campaign. 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: That's right, Joe, the president or the former president is 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 5: poised to not only fight this battle in the court 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 5: of law, but in the court of public opinion. And 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 5: he's using these charges to create this narrative that President 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 5: Biden's out to get him, that he's using the powers 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 5: of the presidency to persecute him. And he's using that 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 5: to raise money and coalesce support in the primary field 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 5: where there's a lot of challenges there. Ron DeSantis, Chris Christy, 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 5: Mike Pens, et cetera, all those people looking to gain ground. 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: The oxygen has been sucked out of the room and 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 5: now Donald Trump is at the center of the circus 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 5: ring as he loves to be. 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: Who was in that room last night, those supporters who 43 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: were cheering him on. They sang Happy Birthday to him. 44 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: He was obviously preaching to the choir. They are not 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: unlike his his night after the last indictment. 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: That's right, it's you know, longtime Trump supporters, really die 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 5: hard loyalists, you know, like my pillow guy, Mike Lindel. 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: See these kind of people. He sure was. He was 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 5: shouting his cell phone number for all. 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: Of the of course he was. So they have like 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: an email list of of you know, these are like 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: the special guests who show up the day of the indictment. Right, 53 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I'm not trying. I mean, I guess it is sort 54 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: of I'm being half serious, but I just wonder who 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: are these people cheering? These are donors, these are campaign supporters, 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: friends of the family. 57 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 5: All the above, and you know, former AIDS, current aids, 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 5: those kind of people. And look, he's got experience. He's 59 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 5: been indicted once already, get a rally after that for 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 5: war coming exactly. 61 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: He's stopped by the Versailles Restaurant in Miami, famous Cuban 62 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: restaurant there to hold a campaign event. I mean, it 63 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: was a fairly skilled maneuver to turn what would normally 64 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: be the worst day of your life and career into 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: a campaign fundraiser and a photo opportunity. 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 5: That's right, and you know not to mention this is 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 5: all happening on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis's home turf. 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: About that. 69 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're running as a challenger in the field, 70 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 5: you want to lock down your home state first. And 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: you know Donald Trump is going right into the heart 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 5: of Little Havana there to try to get that key 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 5: segment of the Republican vote for They should. 74 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: They must have been thinking about that, right. I mean, 75 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: the whole knock on Rond DeSantis is He's not a 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: skilled retail politician. This is Donald Trump's sweet spot. Let's 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: go show Rob, as he calls him, how we do. 78 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: It exactly exactly. But he's doing this now and he's 79 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: going to try and do this as long as he can, 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: try and fight it out in the court of public opinion. 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 5: But at a certain point there will be a trial. 82 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 5: This trial will force him to show up in person. 83 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 5: Unlike that defamation trial he had with the writer Egene Carroll. 84 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 5: The federal courts aren't going to allow him to just 85 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 5: be on the campaign trail while this trial is proceeding. 86 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 5: So he'll need to show up in court, and then 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 5: of course there's the very real legal peril he faces 88 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: from this, and so again, as we move closer to 89 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 5: the general you know, this gets a lot more complicated. 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 5: Even Look, there's a Republican primary debate in August. Is 91 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 5: there going to be a court hearing that he's gonna 92 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 5: need to be at. 93 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: We'll see. 94 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: Don't think he shows up. 95 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 5: It's all uncharted territory. 96 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna let him. He's gonna let him hang 97 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: for a while before he starts showing up at debates. 98 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: It seems to me, does that have any travel plans 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: before you leave us in the near term that we 100 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: know of, no big rallies after last. 101 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 5: Night, I think he's going to push forward with his 102 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: regular campaign schedule. We don't know if any big rallies yet. 103 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: But you suspect he's gonna seize on this, right, I mean, 104 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: that's that's the that's the Trump model. 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, this this notion of grievance of you know, people 106 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 5: out to get him, these conspiracy theories. This is the 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 5: heart of Donald Trump's appeal to his base, and he's 108 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 5: going to use this as much as he can to 109 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 5: rally his supporters. So while we don't know if anything 110 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: on the schedule yet, I would imagine he's going to 111 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 5: be criss crossing the country with this message to rally support. 112 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: I can't imagine how different your life is now. You 113 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: can answer this if you want. In the White House 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: briefing room compared to what it was, then yeah, that's 115 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: I mean, beginning with the fact that there are briefings 116 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: start there exactly. 117 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, the questions are more about you know, 118 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 5: the Council of Economic Advisors getting confirmed rather than you know, 119 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 5: pending in legal indictments. 120 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 121 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming over, Jordan. Thanks Jordan, Fabie and Bloomberg 122 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: White House correspondent, helping us get things started here on 123 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: sound On, I'm Joe Matthew in Washington as we add 124 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: the voice of Nick Ackerman. I've been looking forward to this. 125 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: He actually joined us almost a year ago now, following 126 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: the raid on mar A Lago, if I can call 127 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: it that. The founder of the law of Nick Ackerman, 128 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: former assistant US attorney and yes, former Watergate prosecutor. Mister Ackerman, 129 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: welcome back. It's great to have you here. I wonder 130 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: your thoughts to be here on not having a trial date. 131 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: A lot of us were kind of hoping for that 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: piece of information yesterday and knowing the lengths that the 133 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: Trump legal team will likely go to delay this, this 134 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: whole trial, Will it last the duration of the presidential campaign. 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 6: Well, well, first of all, you don't expect a trial 136 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 6: date at arraignement time. That's simply to bring in the 137 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 6: defendant and format of his charges. He pleads guilty or 138 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 6: not guilty, and then there's going to be a conference 139 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 6: before the judge where a trial date will be set, 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 6: the discovery date will be set to for the government 141 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 6: to produce documents, and hopefully even a date for a 142 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 6: filing of motion. So I think that's the real conference 143 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 6: to be looking at in terms of how quickly this 144 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 6: gets to trial. If I were Jack Smith, I would 145 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 6: be producing every last piece of documentation in every transcript 146 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 6: and getting it off my plate as quickly as possible 147 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 6: and demanding a trial start relatively soon. Set down a 148 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 6: real quick motion schedule. Most of the motions here are 149 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: bogus to begin with. There's really not much to move on. 150 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 6: This is a pretty straightforward, simple case, and it ought 151 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 6: to get to trial, you know, within four to five months. 152 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: You were prescient last August when we got to peek 153 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: inside the search warrant and you immediately pointed to obstruction 154 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: as the part of this case, the part of the 155 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: argument that we should be focused on. This is getting 156 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: lost in the political conversation here where Republicans in many 157 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: cases are trying to compare this to the Joe Biden case, 158 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: the Mike Penn's case, Hillary Clinton. It's kind of a 159 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: you know, a yeah, but sort of attempt to compare 160 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: these two. But it's obstruction that, to this day is 161 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: what makes this case unique. 162 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: Right. 163 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 6: No, you're absolutely correct. I mean, if there wasn't obstruction, 164 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 6: if they had simply come to him and said, we understand, 165 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 6: you've got all these documents, turned them back in, which 166 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 6: they did ask, and he just turned them in, we 167 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 6: wouldn't be talking about a criminal case here. But what 168 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 6: he did was way beyond simply the crime of possessing 169 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 6: documents and retaining him. I mean, he suggested to his 170 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 6: attorney that he falsely represented to the FBI and the 171 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 6: grand jury that you know, Trump didn't have any documents 172 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 6: that were called for in the subpoena. He directed his 173 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 6: aid Walt Nada to move boxes of documents to conceal 174 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 6: them from Trump's attorneys so that when he looked for 175 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 6: documents to produce on the grand jury subpoena, that he 176 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 6: wouldn't find those documents. He even suggested to his attorney 177 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 6: that he hired or destroyed documents that were called for 178 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 6: in the grand jury subpoena. He provided, you know, to 179 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 6: the FBI some of the documents that were called for 180 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 6: by the subpoena and claimed he was fully cooperating when 181 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 6: in fact he was hiding the ball all along, and 182 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 6: ultimately caused a lawyer certification to be submitted to the 183 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 6: FBI in grand jury that just falsely represented all the 184 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 6: documents for the grand jury subpoena had already been produced 185 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 6: when he knew in fact they hadn't. So that's his 186 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 6: real problem. I mean, it's not just stealing, but the 187 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 6: big crime here is the lying and concealing. 188 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: So you're clearly compelled by the strength of this case. 189 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: And I know you've probably read thousands of indictments in 190 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: your career, but having helped to prosecute the case against 191 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: Richard Nixon, I wonder your thoughts on this argument now 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: over not only the double standard, but just the ethics 193 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: behind this case, to go to the extent of making history. 194 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: You might believe that Donald Trump broke the law here, 195 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: but to actually cross the line and to charge a 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: president or former president of the United States with a 197 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: federal crime, I'm here. There have been a lot of 198 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: questions about whether that in fact strikes the proper balance. 199 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: Where are you on it? 200 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 6: Well, there's no question. I mean, the only reason this 201 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 6: seems unusual is because President Nixon had been pardoned for 202 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: obstructing justice, he would have been indicted for obstructing justice 203 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 6: with respect to the investigation into the Watergate breaking. He 204 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 6: was named as an unindicted co conspirator in the main 205 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 6: trial because there was evidence that had to be used 206 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 6: of his tape recordings that were in furtherance of that conspiracy. 207 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 6: I mean, he basically orchestrated it, just like Trump is 208 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 6: orchestrated this cover up. And if in fact, we didn't 209 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 6: indict Nixon in that first trial because at that time 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 6: the House was investigating impeachment, there was going to be 211 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 6: the impeachment proceeding, and it was our view that was 212 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 6: best to hold off until the Congress did its thing. 213 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 6: After almost immediately after Nixon was within a couple of weeks, 214 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 6: President Ford pardon Nixon, so that kind of wiped out 215 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 6: any idea that there would be a prosecution. But if 216 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 6: there had been, this would not be such an unusual event. 217 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 6: It's unique only because we didn't go the next step. 218 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 6: And I think it's important to go that next step 219 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 6: when somebody crosses the line into criminality like Nixon did 220 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 6: and Trump has done, to hold them accountable for what 221 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 6: they did and to treat them just like any other 222 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 6: defendant in the United States who violates the law. This 223 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 6: is not like Joe Biden or Mike Pence who had 224 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 6: a couple of documents in their possession immediately turned them 225 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 6: over once they discovered that they had inadvertently taken them. 226 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 6: This is not the same situation. There is no parallel 227 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 6: in that this is simply a bogus argument to kind 228 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 6: of cover up for Donald Trump. I mean, the people 229 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 6: who are making these arguments, they'll be questioned about the 230 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 6: specific paragraphs in this indictment and ask them if they're 231 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 6: fine with somebody doing that fine, telling their lawyer to 232 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 6: move boxes to hide documents, if they're fine with telling 233 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 6: their lawyer to destroy documents. I mean, there's no way 234 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 6: anybody can justify just the damning facts that are listed 235 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 6: off in forty pages of this indictment. 236 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: Wow, we're talking with Nick Ackerman, former assistant special Watergate prosecutor, 237 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: who brings great historical perspective to this conversation, and you, 238 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: of course have worked with a lot of special counsels. 239 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: I wonder your thought on Jack Smith's next move here. 240 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: He's not only balancing this document's case but also the 241 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: one surrounding the events of January sixth. Does he just 242 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: keep his head down and keep plowing here? 243 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, he just keeps plowing. I mean, look, this 244 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 6: is no different. I mean, this is the other case 245 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 6: is big, maybe even bigger in some ways than this 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 6: particular case, because there could wind up being more defendants 247 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 6: than just the two that you've got in this case. 248 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: I think what Jack Smith is going to wind up 249 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 6: doing is tying in Trump to the Pride Boys and 250 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 6: the oathkeepers and the violence that took place on the 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 6: Capitol on January sixth. Yeah, there are two people that 252 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 6: were up there that are close aids to Donald Trump. 253 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 6: That was General Flynn. There was Roger Stone, And I 254 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 6: think what's going to happen is he's focused on that, 255 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 6: and that's what he's going to put together. And then 256 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 6: on top of that, you've got Fanie Willis's case in Georgia, 257 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 6: which has to do with Trump's interference in the election there, 258 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 6: And I think that's going to come down sometime or 259 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 6: end of July, beginning of August, because the new grand 260 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 6: jury that is actually looking at charging crimes starts on 261 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 6: July first, so I think it's going to be some 262 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 6: point after that that we're going to see yet another indictment, 263 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 6: which would be a total of four indictments, which is 264 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 6: hard to believe that Trump, no matter how many rallies 265 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 6: he holds, is going to be able to convince other 266 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 6: Republican officials around the country, from US senator to dogcatcher, 267 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 6: that they want to ride on a ticket and run 268 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 6: for reelection when the head of their ticket has been 269 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 6: indicted four times for serious felonies. 270 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: And these trials will likely carry us straight through election day, right, 271 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: I mean, well, he'll have this to carry for the 272 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: next year. 273 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 6: Oh, I would think so. And on top of that, 274 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 6: we just got the news the other day that we 275 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 6: respect you, Gene Carroll. She amended her complaint on the 276 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 6: original complaint that she had filed against Trump and is 277 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 6: up the ante. You know, instead of grabbing you know what, 278 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 6: she's grabbing his wallet basically, so that we're looking at, 279 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 6: you know, another ten million dollars and that's likely to happen. 280 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: We'd really like to stay in touch with you as 281 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: this unfolds. You've been a great resource and enjoy the 282 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: conversation very much. Former assistant special Watergate Price executor, founder 283 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: of the law office of Nick Ackerman, former assistant US attorney. 284 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: Here on sound On, I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington the 285 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: panels up next. 286 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 287 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Catch the program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, 288 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: the tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg 289 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: Business App. You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa 290 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: from our flagship New York station Just Say Alexa played 291 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven thirty. 292 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Quite the birthday for Donald Trump. You know, he's seventy 293 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: seven years old today. I'm guessing he's slept in after 294 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: that journey yesterday. Of course, they did regale him with 295 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: a wonderful rendition of Happy Birthday at Adminster last night 296 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: as he hit the podium to make the speech, much 297 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: like they did it versies for that matter. And I 298 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: don't know, I get the sense it's not what he 299 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: wanted for his birthday. 300 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 7: I was with Erik and Laura the kids. Happy Birthday 301 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 7: Grandpa happened. 302 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: I said, Oh great, I just got charged with They 303 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: won four hundred years approximate if you add them all up, a. 304 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 7: Fake four hundred years. Oh thank you, Darlic. That's so nice. 305 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: It sounds like the sitcom laughter just always kills me. 306 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: Where do they get the canned laughter? Let's assemble the panel. 307 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Politics contributor and Democratic analyst Genie Schanzino is with us, 308 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: along with Republican strategist John Hart, co founder C three Solutions. 309 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: Great to have you both here, John, How did he 310 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: do last night, and more specifically, what did you learn 311 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: about the approach that he'll take moving forward in this campaign, 312 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: knowing that his GOP rivals will at some point start 313 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: to criticize him more intensely. 314 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 8: Well, I think it was par for the course for Trump. 315 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 8: I think what it shows is there's a divide in 316 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 8: the Republican Party today and our two factions. One is 317 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 8: the We the People faction, which would be the constitutional conservatives, 318 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 8: people like me who believe in the rule of law. 319 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 8: One that a government like my old boss Tom Coburn 320 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 8: and a lot of others in Congress. And then there's 321 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 8: another faction, but I call them me the person faction, 322 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 8: and where truth and reality and facts all depend on 323 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 8: whatever Donald Trump says. So what we're seeing in the 324 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 8: response Mormans last night is the We the People faction 325 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 8: is asserting itself a little bit. Simply. I think they 326 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 8: need to get more aggressive. You had Nicky Haley, you 327 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 8: had Mike Pence acknowledgies are very serious charges. You know, 328 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 8: if a Democrat We're going to do the exact same 329 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 8: pattern of behavior, it would be universal outrage among Republicans 330 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 8: brightly so, So I think I think it's you know, 331 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 8: termp's campaign really depends on the sense of inevitability, and 332 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 8: when there are chinks in that, when there's the sense 333 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 8: that he's not as all powerful and omnipotent politically as 334 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 8: he wants to project, that can lead to the ascension 335 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 8: of other candidates. So it's going to be really interesting 336 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 8: to see over the next two to four weeks how 337 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 8: this plays out. 338 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: John mentions Mike Pence among those candidates leaning into the 339 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: a little bit more as an issue of concern. He 340 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: talked about it earlier today on CNBC. 341 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 9: The handling of classified materials is a very serious matter, 342 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 9: not only from my years as Vice president, but also 343 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 9: my years on the International Relations Committee. 344 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 7: And look, I had a chance to. 345 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 9: Review the indictment over the weekend, and this indictment contains 346 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 9: serious charges and I cannot defend what is alleged. 347 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: This is the man who served with him, of course, Genie, 348 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: and has been reluctant to say anything really critical of 349 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. It typically doesn't even mention his name unless 350 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: it's complimenting what he likes to still call the Trump 351 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: hence administration. Is this what more candidates are going to 352 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: be sounding like? 353 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 10: I think so. First of all, Joe, I cannot get 354 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 10: over that birthday clip you pay play. That is going 355 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 10: to be a meme for sure. I love it. Yes, 356 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 10: it's the best. We heard that from Nicki Haley as well, 357 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 10: talking about her military spouse and the national security implications. 358 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 10: And you know, John just described I think really well, 359 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 10: sort of real constitutional conservatives who believe that way. But 360 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 10: I have to say, stunning to me last night was 361 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 10: Marco Rubio out making the case that this is all 362 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 10: about the you know, the deep state, and you know, 363 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 10: echoing that, but then going on to saying, even if 364 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 10: everything alleged in the indictment was true, there is no 365 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 10: harm in what Trump had done. And of course, you know, 366 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 10: it makes you wonder, is he, you know, trying to 367 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 10: move out to VP should Trump win, what is he 368 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 10: doing out there? It was absolutely stunning. 369 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: Well, his point, John, if I can paraphrase, and I 370 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: don't certainly want to represent the senator from Florida here, 371 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: is that there was actually no harm done, that nobody 372 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: got killed because of this, nobody was harmed by his 373 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: sharing of these documents with whomever saw them. But that's 374 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: kind of a difficult case to make, isn't it. 375 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 8: It's a very difficult case to make. 376 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: It. 377 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 8: Look, you know, politics is about defining yourself and especially 378 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 8: defining the hills that you're willing to die on. And 379 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 8: that's where Republicans have to make a choice. Is are 380 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 8: you willing to die on the hill of defending Trump, 381 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 8: regardless of facts, regardless of reality, or are you more 382 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 8: interested and articulating an agenda that's going to be persuasive, inspiring, 383 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 8: is going to get people to support you. I mean 384 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 8: Tim Scott is running more on that day, and Nikki Haley. 385 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 8: So it's really a mistake for Rubio and candidate's like 386 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 8: the veak who said he would pardon Trump, and you 387 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 8: know that can't have it both ways. He's arguing against 388 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 8: the culture of victimization, but he's defending Trump's victimization posture. 389 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 8: And really what this comes down to is is is 390 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 8: the offense treason? Maybe maybe not. Is Trump guilty of 391 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 8: toddler behavior? Absolutely so? And has that behavior put our 392 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 8: troops at risk? Yes? 393 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: It has. 394 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 8: I mean, well he has a chance to defend himself. 395 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 8: And Mike has made that same argument that you know, 396 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 8: anytime the president or anyone on elected office puts our 397 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 8: troops in danger, that is a very serious charge. And 398 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 8: so I think it's it's it's not smart for Rubio 399 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 8: to make that case or any Republican sort of reflectively 400 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 8: to send. 401 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: This behavior toddler behavior. 402 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: You say, I did everything right and they indicted me. 403 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: That's literally from last night. But he calls this the 404 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: boxes hoax. Genie we've talked about that, and now the 405 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: effort's going to be sort of watering down what was 406 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: in those boxes, because this is of course about the documents, 407 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: many of which were classified not only top secret, but 408 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: compartmentalized information and even higher in some cases. 409 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 410 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 7: They were full of newspapers, press slippings. 411 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: Thousands of pictures, thousands and thousands of White House pictures. 412 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 7: The White House photographers, some are with us today. 413 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: They took so many pictures and we saved all of them, 414 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 3: and they were in those boxes, clothing, memorabilia and much 415 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: much more. I hadn't had a chance to go through 416 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 3: all the boxes. It's a long, tedious job, takes a 417 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: long time, which I was prepared to do. But I 418 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: have a very busy life. I've had a very busy life. 419 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: They make it more busy because you're always fighting. 420 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: Well, all right, So, Genie, if you hadn't bogged him 421 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: down with all this legal stuff, he'd had time to 422 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: go through it is. I guess this is going to 423 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: be part of the argument. 424 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 10: That's right. It all sounds so innocent, but you know 425 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 10: the problem for him legally is last night he confessed, 426 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 10: he said, yes, I had all these things. That's what 427 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 10: he's been saying on the campaign trail on CNN. And 428 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 10: you know, and I had a darn good right to 429 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 10: have him because the Presidential Records Act forgetting that, he's 430 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 10: not charged with that, it's not mentioned in the indictment. 431 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 10: And also the Presidential Records Act says very very clearly 432 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 10: it doesn't include agency classified documents, and so it makes 433 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 10: legally no sense. But I think what we're hearing from 434 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 10: Trump is legality be damned. This is all about politics. 435 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 10: He is doubling down for the purposes of the millions 436 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 10: in the base who really support him, that he is 437 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 10: a victim of persecution. And that, to me, is why 438 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 10: he goes to that Cuban restaurant. He wants to show 439 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 10: Cuban Americans persecuted, Cubans persecuted he is as well, and 440 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 10: he feels their pain. It's going to be all we 441 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 10: hear about from him until the election. 442 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: We have literally one minute left here before our Federal 443 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 2: Reserve special coverage. John Hart, your final thought on that 444 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: was that the point of going to Versailles. 445 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 8: Sure, well, look, this is me the person politics at 446 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 8: its worst. Where imagine if your five year old brings 447 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 8: home a bunch of toys, and you say, well, where 448 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 8: did you get those toys? Where the who owns that ball? 449 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 8: It's like, well, it belongs to the preschool. It doesn't 450 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 8: belong to the toddler. And so Trump is claiming that 451 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 8: he owns these documents and he doesn't. He is not 452 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 8: the state, he is not the government. He is a 453 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 8: man who held an office, and those documents belong to 454 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 8: we the people, not me, the person to. 455 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: Be continued with John Hart, don't be a stranger. John, 456 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: It's great to have you back. Co founder C three Solutions, 457 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: Republican strategist, and of course our friend Jeanie Shanze no 458 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Politics contributor and Democratic analyst. Genie. We'll meet you 459 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: back here tomorrow on the fastest show in politics. Thanks 460 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: for listening to The Sound On podcast. 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