WEBVTT - Silver Fox or Gray Wolf 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.760 Hi, suck at Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared and 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:11.879 I heart radio podcast. Hey, guys, welcome to an all 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.360 new episode of Help I such a Dating with Me Vanessa, 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.880 my two lovely co hosts, Dean and Jared. Am I 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.000 introducing the person next to me right now? No, let's 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.480 look at it a little Let's tease it just a 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.599 little bit. Let's also let's give a round of a 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:31.560 plause effective. Yeah. Okay, First of all, I thought this 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.680 podcast was I thought we were recording this podcast two 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.760 hours later than what it was supposed to be, so 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.720 I woke up we late. So then brush my teeth. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.440 I'm still wearing my pajama top um and t M 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:48.160 I but god, diarrhea. Okay, I'm sorry about that. Also, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.760 for context, this episode is being recorded live in Tahoe. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.400 This is the first time we've all been in studio 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.240 together for a long time. Yeah. This is my favorite studio. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.800 By the way, so great bug ever done an out 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.000 of studio recording. Because the moose head above us, we're 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.280 looking at a beautiful lake, We're looking at a beautiful 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.320 human being that we still will not introduce. I don't 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.600 know why. I don't know when but just now sitting 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.600 at the table, Tories here as well, and the beautiful 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.080 Tories amazing, But we're not talking about Tori. Can't we 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.160 just give it up for Tory, Danielle and Amy and 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.000 Hannah for helping us get here, well me get here. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.200 So obviously I live in Montreal and we were flying 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.280 from Montreal to Chicago, Chicago to Lake Tahoe, and I 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.399 remember saying, everybody knows who follows my Instagram have the 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.720 worst travel luck. Either they lose my luggage or my flee, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.039 my flights cancel or delayed. Obviously, my flight was delayed 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:45.319 from Montreal to Chicago, and then from Chicago because there 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.160 were like over five hundred flights that were canceled or 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.000 delayed because of storm and thundershowers and stuff like that, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.160 we got pushed back for another like four hours, and 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.400 so we had to stay overnight in Chicago. And then 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.960 there was a huge heatwave in Chicago's like a hundred 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.120 it and for degrees or something crazy like that. And 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.400 now here we are, well here, I am. I keep 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.480 how many flights did it take for you to get here? 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:15.040 You went Montreal to Toronto, Montreal to Chicago, Chicago to flights, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.640 but we ended up saying with the delay and then 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.000 we ended up staying in Chicago for overnight. You really 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.920 do have the worst luck. Yeah, And I'm not even 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.519 last time when we were a NAPA member canceled. So 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.560 I'm like, I can't do these small trips anymore. I 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.800 love you guys, but I don't know. It's not a 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.600 small trip, by the way, anything anything over like i'd 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.520 say a two and a half three hours a major city. Well, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:40.880 it's a long way to come all the way from 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.720 the East coast. Yeah, don't. I'm not really brushed up 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.960 on my Canadian geography, but I know Montreal is pretty 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.440 far like New York. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.880 Pretty much. The point is you made it, I made it, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.560 and you have your very special cargo with you. I do. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.920 I would assume that this person did not have to 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.480 fly in the overhead bin or underneath because it's a 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.160 human being. Human being. Do you just want to introduce him? Yeah, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.600 we're gonna is what we're gonna do. We're gonna introduce 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.160 him real quick, and then we're going to jump into 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.400 a quick break. I don't know why. I'm nervous, and 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.280 I'm pretty nervous. I'm getting the sweats, I don't know. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.720 And then after we introduced jump into a break and 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.200 then we're going to dive deep into the psychology of 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.720 this theogy of this human being. Okay, I'm a little 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.680 bit nervous. So I actually tried prepping him um on 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.480 our way over to Lake Tahoe, so I brought with 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:36.600 me my boyfriend, Mr silver Box, Joshua boxed himself, the 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.480 silver Wolf. The Silver Wolf. Well, josh first of all, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.120 thank you for coming and thank you for dating our beautiful, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.760 beautiful co host Vanessa. We don't really thank you. Should 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.480 you should? I don't know. There's someone that always gives 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.000 like the best compliments, and Dean is the one that 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.440 will try to extract the most juicy gossip out of you. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.360 So just think I can work with that. I'm happy 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.240 to be here. I build you up, make you feel 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.920 safe and beautiful, and then he knocked me down. It okay, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.760 I don't know how. I don't know how how much 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.680 digging I'm gonna do today, but we do want to 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.880 talk to you guys a little bit more about your relationship. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.680 And because we we've heard the story from Vanessa's side, obviously, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.320 and you remember the story. Of course I remember the story, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.039 but I just want to I think it'd be cool 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.080 to listen to you guys just talk about your relationship, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.040 how it all started. I like hearing the story from 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.800 both parties, because most of the time the story is 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.719 not the same. But before we do that, we're going 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.600 to take one quick break and then dive right into it. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.760 We're back. We're back, Okay, welcome back to the help. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.279 By second, okay, we're back with Vanessa and Josh, and 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.000 it's me and Jared sitting on one side of the table, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.359 Vanessa and Josh sitting on the other side. It's almost 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.479 like a panel I was looking for. It's exactly what 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.560 it is. That's why I woke up with read this morning, 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.360 a little stress. We just put out my nervous so 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.960 I didn't mention how nervous I am. This is the 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.120 first time I've done a podcast, so well, it's the 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.159 first time you've ever been on a podcast. We're popping 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.040 your podcastely, we're doing that today. That's fantastic. Yeah, exactly, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.560 I feel I feel great. I feel very likely. Jered, 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.960 what kind of questions you have for them to start off? 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.159 With all right, just kind of want to hear the 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.240 origin stories, right, Yeah, I kind of want to know 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.320 exactly from the beginning, because we've heard a lot about 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.520 you from Vanessa. Um, all good and all all. I 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.440 try to get her to say mean things all the time, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.360 but she never does not a single thing. It's unbelievable. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:36.960 It makes me throw up a little bit. But other 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.240 than that, no, it's it's fantastic. Um. So, how did 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.080 you guys meet? From your perspective, so we met um, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.920 To be quite honest, Vanessa had done a photo shoot 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.280 with my sisters in Montreal. So I have three sisters 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.560 who are I grew up in Montreal. Vanessa grew up 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.080 in Montreal. But we never actually met each other. And 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.440 I needed to wrap every once in a while. Okay, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.520 well because because so his so, his sister's owned this 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.839 restaurant in Montreal that I would go to, my my 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.479 family would go to. And all of his best friends 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.839 are Italian who are also really good friends with my sister. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.240 So my circle knew about his circle, but we just 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.520 never knew of each other. Is this an Italian restaurant? No, No, 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.520 it's a salad bar. That's the name of it Mandy 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.440 Salad's Mandy Salad. Any any listeners in Montre very good, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.800 gotta go there, I gotta try. Yeah. Um. So I 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.920 remember um seeing the photos that came out from the 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.599 photo shoot that she had done with my sisters, which 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.039 was for International Women's Days. Was a really cool photo shoot. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.559 But then I was like, this is one beautiful woman, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:42.080 and um, I figured that I would try reaching out 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.320 to her on on Instagram. So you slid into the 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.840 d M. S I slid into the DN an expression 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.920 I was not familiar with at the time, but now 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.760 I know exactly what it means. We're one for one. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.919 I'm gonna be um comparing your story to what I 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.480 hear from Vanessa, and we're one for one. So okay, now, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.320 what was your opening line? My opening line may or 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:04.000 may not have involved my four year old nephew you. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.719 my nephew, Sonny and I were having a conversation, a 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.720 very limited one, but you know, he made it into 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.440 the d M and I basically told her that he 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.320 had given me some advice that I should reach out 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.760 to her. So I did that, I know, right, so 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.800 cute and not thinking that she would answer, Um, I no, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.520 idea if she would answer. So I was actually on 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.800 a date when I got his message. What do you mean, Well, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.080 that guy sounds like a douche bag. It was you 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:32.840 were you were on a date, but you were going 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.760 through the request full. Now I was going I was 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.600 on a date and this person was away from me 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.080 for a little bit. Obviously that date was not going. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.800 Maybe it may not have been in the bathroom. And 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.040 so I was going through my my Instagram because I 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.240 was all alone, and then I checked my hidden d ms. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.800 I don't know about you guys, but there's certain collaborations 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.720 that come in through hidden d M. So I checked 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.400 all my messages and then I saw his and it 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:55.960 was a lengthy one. So I was like, oh my god, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.120 what is this? There was a was a message. So 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.400 were you nervous about sliding into d m s because 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.120 you know, I think the way. Let's be honest, have 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.080 you've done it before? Like, have you ever just kind 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.160 of like reached out to someone, was like, hey, what's up? 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.440 I stowed on social media before, not always even for 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.600 for dating purposes. Oh yeah, if there was there was 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.040 a shoe line that I really liked to I remember 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.520 I reached out to the designer and I told them 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.040 how much I liked the shoes, and we actually wound 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.680 up connecting and then became friends because of that. So 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.400 did you have your friends help you? Uh, kind of 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.960 articulate the way. No. Actually, I remember I was on 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.960 my way to go ski shooting that day, and uh, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.840 I pulled over on the side of the road. It 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.720 was really random when it happened, and I was like, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.160 this is a shot in the dark and we'll see 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.760 if it works out. So you were driving a car 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.080 you pulled over to send the message That thought occurred 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.680 to me. Yeah, I got off at the exit to 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.520 get to this park where we were going to go shooting. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.920 That's actually pretty romantic. Ballsy dude. I stress over every 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.040 word I said, Like when I was in my single days, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.199 if I was trying to hit on someone or flirt 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.200 with a girl, Like every time I'd write out something 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.000 and then I would delete it, and then I'd write 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.160 something else unto it, and I send it to my friends. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.160 But like just sounds stupid, like an idiot. He's really 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.600 good with his words, though, he so I'm I find 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.160 that I'm better communicating through writing. So whenever I write 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.400 something out like if whether it's with family members or friends, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.040 and if we're having a disagreement about something, I'll often 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.240 sit down and write out what my thoughts are saying 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.080 and send them to you. Only this really cute email 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.319 when I left for uh North Florida, when I left 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.760 for Europe for three weeks, and he sent it right 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.920 when my flight was leaving, so I could only read 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.240 it when I landed in Europe, and it was like 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.800 the sweetest message I ever got. So even when um like, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.160 if we ever would argue or whatever, he would send 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.559 me this really nice message. And he's just really good 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.920 with his words. So the message itself, I said, but 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.559 I honestly thought that it was a shot in the dark. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.360 I've never you know, she has quite a few followers, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.199 so I see that's what Dean thought too, or I 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.599 don't remember who thought that when I was single. You 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.120 guys are like, oh, I can't believe there's no one 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.880 that slides into d M s or whatever I think 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.040 people think because we have a large following, there must 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.920 be so many people reaching out to us. What's the 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.000 point of being, you know, falling in one of them 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.320 million messages that we get. I wasn't getting a lot 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.360 of messages. And I think it's also different for a 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.400 guy coming off the show than it is a girl 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.400 coming off the show, just because five percent of our 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.040 following was female. Right, So when you got it, you 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.400 sent the message, yeah, and then I really wasn't expecting 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.320 to hear back. And even if I didn't know what 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.960 it would turn into something, it was not stressful because 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.319 leaning forward, yeah, you're getting into it. You put your 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.240 coffee down. Let me ask you this, why did you 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.280 decide to do the d M slide? If you already 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.480 had third degree connections, right, you could you could have 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.920 asked your sister or something for a phone number or 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.000 like to introduce you. They didn't have. I didn't even 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.920 talk to my sisters about it, to be honestly, because 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.600 I really was taking it as a shot in the dark. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.600 I mean, if she were to answer, it would have 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.079 been nice, but I also wasn't counting on it. Then, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.720 were your sisters like you d M the girl that 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.640 we were working on. My sisters thought it was a 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.160 little bit funny, you know, And then I was a 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.400 little reluctant to mention that I had used my four 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.640 year old nephew is because I don't know, I could 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.760 see the same thing and like my like my sister 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.520 would probably be like, but what are you doing? Yeah exactly. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.360 But I always say how Instagram is like the number 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.240 one way to date someone. It's a dating app. Now 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.760 it really is. I mean, just like you said, sliding 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.959 into the d ms is now just a common phrase, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.839 and there is kind of like there was this stigmentation 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.000 I feel like about sliding into d ms and meeting 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.600 people on Instagram, but now it's just faded away, just 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.800 like there was a stigma against dating apps. I feel 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.959 like when the first came out online dating, people are like, well, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.240 I'm not signing up for online dating. That's ridiculous. And 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.240 now it's just a common way of people meeting each other. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.840 My sister met her husband online and it's the same 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.240 thing on Instagram now, where people are just they're not 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.480 afraid to reach out to people on Instagram anymore. And 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.240 I think it's a really cool way to meet people 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.080 as long as you're not creepy. Just don't you know, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.959 don't jump in with the old Well you guys kind 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.720 of know where I'm going with this, but you didn't 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.080 because you're a smart man. I tried, but honestly, I 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.480 think that the difference between like social media like Facebook 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.560 or Instagram is that you actually can see a little 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.120 bit more about the person than you would if it 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.520 was on a dating app where you put up like 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.800 five pictures and you know, but not always sure. I 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.040 remember I dated this one guy who put posted a 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.400 bunch of pictures of his family and nieces and nephews, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.760 and I'm like, oh my god, a family man and 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.920 they never actually saw their family and I'm like, what 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.480 a he was like pretending yes, yeah, Jared just shot 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:16.880 me a look. I don't know what that was about. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.960 It was that for me. You know. That's why I 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.840 like with my Instagram, I try to be as authentic 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.559 with like my pictures and whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.840 that makes sense. Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.559 And as long as it was your profile, set's a 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.640 public or private. Mine was public. I think the important 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.600 thing is if you're going to slide and you wish 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.880 to be successful with it, you should have a public profile. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.560 I didn't think about that, so yours. Yours is public too. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.840 That's smart because when you DM someone, I feel like, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.400 let me ask you this, Vanessa says this past I know. So, 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.240 say Josh sent you a message on Instagram. You open 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:56.920 it up, you saw his profile pick. You're like, oh, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.040 this guy's cute, says something very nice about his nephew. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:04.679 You look on is profile and it's private exactly. Yeah. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.480 Sometimes what I would do is, um, I would screenshot 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.560 the message and then just zoom in on a little 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.080 thumbnail pick. There you go. That's some detective work right there. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.560 But at the same time, it is only one pitch 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.000 exactly exactly. It doesn't give you much insight, but it 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.040 gives you maybe enough to like, I don't know what 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.360 Josh's thumbnail picture is, but it could have been something 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.520 pretty nice. What is your thumbnaima, So I think it's 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.640 me and my my chihuahua. Okay, yeah, well, and it 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.680 was all this to say, if ever you're single and 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.640 you want to slide into someone's dams, make sure that 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.320 your your profile is out very good point also, including 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.720 nephew or niece or a dog or chihuahua. I'm sure 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.720 the chuagua profile picture helps you out to what's the 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:50.120 story with the dog that's here today? Yes, that's so friendly. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.840 She well, she's she's only do adults, but not kids. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.360 She hates. She hates a man is kids. Okay, when 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.600 when I saw that dog, I rest you. During college 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.720 and um, in the apartment plex we lived in, these 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.960 kids would chase around his sticks all the time, and 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.280 so whenever she sees like a little little human, she 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.520 gets freaked out. Um, so what was your I'm curious? 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.839 So you responded, and then she responded, but like forty 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.800 eight hours later, so I was on a date right now. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.200 Of course, she's not gonna just got to like you 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.760 sweat it out. If I can respond, I'm not gonna respond. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.480 But as the receiver of a d M, Josh mentioned 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.400 that it was like a lengthy message, right, do you 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.160 find that refreshing or did you think that it could 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.080 have been a little bit more concise? No? I liked 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.240 it because sometimes when I see a big block of text, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.360 I almost just like swipe away. I don't even really know. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.520 I find it intriguing. Instead of that means someone the 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.440 person put thought into the message, instead of hey I 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.920 find you cute, like or what are you doing this weekend? Like? 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.200 Instead of a generic message, it was something that was 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.680 thought out. And remember you saying you were you were 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.440 driving your friends, Uh, you got you guys are waking 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.120 up north or something. Then you pulled over and he 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.920 in the message, he said, you said that you We 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.200 discussed this after. I'm like, how did you because I 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.920 have the same question, how did you come up with 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.960 the message? Why did you message me during that time? 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.120 And I thought it was romantic? And ever since then 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.040 he's always written me really nice emails and messages and texts, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.960 and we're actually really good at that. We both communicate 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.400 through writing a lot. Yeah, this is the first relationship 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.600 I can say that we have the same form of 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:24.880 communication um in terms of like, if we're arguing, we're like, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.560 I'm someone that likes to dissect things. So you guys, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.560 if you guys are arguing your email back and forth, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:37.160 email were sitting there, you know the phones. You know, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.480 once there wasn't once there was an email exchange, remember 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.360 you had got back to your house and it was 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.920 not When we're actually together, I'm teasing and then it'll 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.880 be like a text messaging, I sent you something. We 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.720 want we want to talk more. We want to talk 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.840 more about that because obviously it's nice to know the 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.640 beginning of the relationship. But we want to know more 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.840 about the relationship now. But before we do that, we 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.240 should take a quick break and then we're gonna bright 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:17.880 into it. Right, and we're back with Dean Vanessa Josh 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:19.880 also known as the Silver Fox. Do you like the 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.960 silver Is it the silver fox, Fox or the gray Wolf. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.560 I'll go with the silver Fox. Yeah, I think the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.520 silver flow. Yeah. Yeah. We actually got a hat in 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.200 our room. It's amazing. We didn't open it. But who's 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.400 whose idea was that at? With the fox on it? 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.800 And it says silver Fox. That's awesome, it's great, Thank 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.760 you very much. That's like the first calf you're going 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.840 to own. Yeah. I kind of like the gray wolf wolf, right, Yeah, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:47.800 I think he at the end. That's why I like 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.840 the gray Wolf to I got it. It's just like 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.040 gray wolf is pretty cool. I've never heard that one bad. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.680 Their family they call each other the wolf pack. That's 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.440 very awesome. They we're a really tight family and pretty jealous. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.480 Would you say you were one man wolf pack? It 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:07.440 was a one So what was your So you guys 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.719 communicated on d M? You responded and then who asked 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.920 who out first? So you want to know you can 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.800 take a se We actually the minute we rolle back 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.800 to him. It was NonStop back and forth messaging for 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.160 the entire day. And then um, I think we switched 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:32.520 over from d M s to text messages. The number 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.199 he kept saying, do you know what were you saying? 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.520 Graham Bell or something? Oh? Yeah, I asked her she 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.840 knew whoa Graham Bell was. And then the artist, right, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.000 the singer, you know, the the inventor of the telephone, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.320 because I asked her a really starch and I asked 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.560 her a really sarcastic question, and then um, I didn't 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.919 get what he was insinuating, so basically right, So we 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.720 switched over to text message anyway, So then and yeah, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.680 if someone dropped that line of me, I'd be like, yeah, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.480 a great singer, there you go, hell of an artist. Yeah, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.320 So then we we started to communicate over the phone, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.520 because it is I think it's more personal for some reason. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.960 It's it's it's sometimes gonna be a difficult transition to 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.240 go from either Instagram or like let's say you're on 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.480 bumble or something, to go from that to then texting. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.760 I always knew that somebody was interested if we were 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.119 talking through d M and they're like, hey, it's easier 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.760 if you just text me. And then I'm like okay, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.600 she's interested. She's giving her phone number. How long How 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.320 long did it take for it to go from Instagram 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.800 to texting and then from texting to then organizing the 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.359 first date? It was it was a while, but it 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.080 was a while because she was out of town. Yeah. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.320 I was in Seattle visiting Taylor and one morning we 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.120 get a knock on the door. Taylor and I love 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.560 sleeping in, so I was like, who's knocking at nine 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.400 o'clock in the morning. So someone knocks on the door. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.800 She's like me, I'm not feeling well. Can you go 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.440 open the door? And I was like, oh yeah, Like 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.439 I think it's my Amazon package. I go to the 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.640 door and there's this massive bouquet of kit Cats. Because 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.080 I don't like flowers, so there was a massive bouquet 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.359 of kit Cats and I'm like, oh my god, and 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.399 I think I had I don't remember exactly when I 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.280 had told you that I didn't like flowers and then 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.359 I like kit cats or something. This was before your 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.359 first day for our first date, and the message was 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.159 I can't wait for our first date, I'm like to 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:22.720 get creative. How did you know where to send it? 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.679