1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you so 3 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. We are on the precipice of one, 4 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: and as this is our first time recording in the 5 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: new year, how long do you think we can call 6 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: it the new year? Noal to like just January or 7 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I think all year? I think until until there's another 8 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: new year, right, I don't know, Ben, This is at 9 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: least this is a very heavy question, and we're gonna 10 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: be asking a lot of heavy questions today. We're gonna 11 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: be doing a lot of waxing philosophical I totally stole 12 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: that from an article that we're using here, but it's 13 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: a phrase that I really love about the future, because 14 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, one, if ever there was a more futuristic 15 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: sounding year than it was one my friend, and twenty 16 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: twenty was a garbage year. So let's forget about that 17 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: and let's move on to the real future, which starts 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: right now. And in today's first part of a two 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: part episode, Hey Hey we are, we are partnering with 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: our Ride or Die superproducer Casey Pegram to share some predictions. 21 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: Now you know, No, I was thinking about this. Our 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: pal slash nemesis, Jonathan STRICKLANDK the Quister, has historically done 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of prediction episodes on his show Tech Stuff. 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: That's right. It always seemed like such a gamble to me. 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of making predictions unless you 26 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: have to. But we being a show that is both 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: ridiculous and about history foul, so just bonkers amazing predictions 28 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: about the twenty one century, not from people alive today, 29 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: but from the great minds of years before. Yeah, preemptively, 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: from the great beyond, uh in our preemptive two partner. 31 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: And not only are they dead, they were, in fact 32 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: some great minds, some real kind of like neo futurists, 33 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: you know before that was really as much of a 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: thing as we think of today. Um, we're talking about 35 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: writers of science fiction, we're talking about inventors, We're talking 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: about just a lot of great forward thinking intellects of 37 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: our time. Yes, so we know that predictions are big business, right. 38 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: You find predictions in the stock market, you find them 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: in the world of tech, you find them in the 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: world of politics, economics, and ecology. Some predictions have already 41 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: come to pass, you know, the idea that the world's 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: human population would rise over time. That seems to be true. 43 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: The fact that technology would disrupt numerous industries and parts 44 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: of people's daily lives, that's true. But those are very 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: broad things. What we're bringing you here today are some 46 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: uh specifics. And with this, who better to start our 47 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: story than the one, the only. Yeah, Noah, you love him, 48 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: Nicola Tesla. It turns out, in addition to inventing, he 49 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: made a lot of predictions. Yeah, Tesla indeed, and he not. 50 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't a science fiction writer. He was basically a 51 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: creator of real life science fiction. Well, I guess science fact. 52 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to the Griffith Park Observatory in 53 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Ben, Yes, yes I have. You may recall 54 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: then that there is a Tesla coil there that always 55 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: strikes me as something right out of science fiction, probably 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: because it's used so frequently in like, you know, mad 57 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: scientists laboratory scenes, and in fact, the one that is 58 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: in the Griffith Park Observatory was featured in the kind 59 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: of classic universal School of monster movies. Um, so that's 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: a fun thing to go see, but yeah, it's He 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: was very much someone that was very functional and practical 62 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: in the way he was able to kind of take 63 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: these ideas that he had and convert them into real 64 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: life inventions. But he also made a lot of very, 65 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: let's just say, kind of bold predictions about the future, 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: some of which were a little more on point than others. 67 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: He has thought of even still today as one of 68 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the great thinkers of the modern age. But some of 69 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: his predictions were super weird and niche. For example, he 70 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: truly believed with his heart of hearts, uh that in 71 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: the twenty one century, which is the thing they would 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: have referred to at the time, the twenty first century, um, 73 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: this mystical future time where everything will you know, be 74 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: vastly different. Um, people wouldn't drink coffee anymore. He thought 75 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: coffee was like gonna be super ghost because he looked 76 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: at it as a means of poisoning oneself. Um. Any 77 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: kind of stimulants like nicotine or caffeine. Um. He seemed 78 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: like he had a personal grudge against, But he was 79 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: trying to kind of read the tea leaves of like 80 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: what popular society or civilized decide rather would would accept, 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: And he believed in the future these things would be 82 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: considered super passe. Uh, and then no one would drink 83 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: them anymore or you know, um ingest nicotine. It's true. Yeah, 84 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: and uh just cheers to everybody listening along like me 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: and maybe like you Nolan enjoyed a nice cup of 86 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: coffee here. It turns out, Uh, as as much as 87 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I love you, Mr Tesla, you were dead wrong about this. 88 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Would we are still swigging jugs and java as though 89 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: our lives depend on it. He was partially right about nicotine. 90 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: Smoking rates have continued time over time to decline, but 91 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: he was He was also super super super confident about 92 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: these predictions. All of the ones we're telling you. There 93 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: were none that he said, I don't know. I give 94 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: it like a thirty seventy chance. Uh. He did. He 95 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: did make one correct call about beverages in general. He 96 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: said booze would still be around. He didn't think it 97 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: was the same thing as like coffee. He in fact 98 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: loved it, he called it and a lick sir of life. Yeah, 99 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: spoken like a true lush. Um. Yeah, it's true. It's 100 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: funny toupn you talk about You're right obviously, you know, uh, 101 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: smoking actual combustible cigarettes is super on the decline. But um, 102 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of other, you know, delivery mechanisms for 103 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: people's precious nicotine, whether it's gum or whether it's you know, 104 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: the weirdly neo futuristic vape mechanisms, which still kind of 105 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: weirds me out in a lot of ways. To me, 106 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: that's one of the most futuri looking things that that 107 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: is around today is vaping. Maybe that's just I don't 108 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: know why I think that. I like the ones that 109 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: look like walkie talkies, and if I see somebody, you 110 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, with a little stubby stay 111 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: and the handheld thing about the size of your palm. 112 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: I love that because when I see somebody with one, 113 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: I always like to pretend there are a spy from 114 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, the eighties or nineties before they had earbuds, 115 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: or it's like they're smoking out of one of those 116 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: super clunky, like early nineties cell phones, you know, the 117 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: car phones, the ones with like the big fat receivers 118 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: and the giant antent on top um. But yeah, Tesla 119 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: was was dead wrong about the coffee, and slightly less 120 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: dead wrong but still wrong about the nicotine, and dead 121 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: right about alcohol. People love a good drink every now 122 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: and then. Um. And he also it was a really 123 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: big proponent of nutrition. Um. Despite being clearly a bit 124 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: of a booze hound, he uh was. It was a 125 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: huge He wasn't a vegan exactly, but he was a 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: big fan of like not eating too much meat, and 127 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: he really liked things like milk and honey and wheat, 128 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: which were ingredients shown by a gentleman by the name 129 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: of Bernard McFadden to be usable in creating kind of 130 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: food stuffs that were a little more sustainable and a 131 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: little more natural and would create a population that would 132 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: live longer in theory. Yeah. Yeah, And this is an 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: idea that a lot of other people shared, and a 134 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: lot of people share today. Uh. You know, one one 135 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: that always stuck out to me was Robert Heinlan, who 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, the famous sci fi writer h He had 137 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: written things like Stranger in a Strange Land and so 138 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: I as far back as the early nineteen fifties. Heinland 139 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: was saying, beef is not gonna last at the levels 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: of consumption it's at now. Eventually, in his mind, fish 141 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and yeast would become the main sources of protein. Asimov 142 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: took this even further in uh nineteen sixty four, he 143 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: said at the World's Fair would feature algae bars uh 144 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: and pseudo steak sort of like Uh, I guess the 145 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: most extreme version of that would be like sort of 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: like those bars they're served on the film's snow Crash. 147 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: No spoilers, watch it. It's worth it. Uh. And it 148 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: looks like, if you think about it in a very vague, 149 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: well somewhat vague way, these guys were predicting the rise 150 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: of things like impossible burgers or alternatives to meet what 151 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: are those? What is it? Is it? Morning stars? That 152 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the brand? Yeah, they like the fake chicken nuggets and 153 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: all that, and there's like things like corn like chicken nuggets. 154 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: Man of corn with a que. It's gotta have a que. 155 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Let's how you know it's it's it's on the cutting edge. Um. 156 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: There's a really huge billboard off of the interstate near 157 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: near where I live that says nut milk is not milk. 158 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: And if you look at it from far enough away, 159 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: it just looks like it says nut milk is nut milk. 160 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: But it's a big bone of contention with the milk lobby. Uh. 161 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: This idea that using the word milk is a no, no, 162 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: when it comes to nut milk, because it's really not 163 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: actual milk. And I got into conversation with a friend 164 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: of mine about this, and she brought up the fact 165 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: that it's super weird that we drink the milk of 166 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: other animals, and that that's very unusual in in in life, 167 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: and it's something that we, I think Ben you've mentioned 168 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: before on the show. It's something we had to adapt to, 169 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: like our bodies, like you know, over time, have adapted 170 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: to drinking cow's milk, except for those poor souls that 171 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: are lactose intolerant, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a 172 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: mutation that has not hit the entirety of the human species. 173 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: It's actually it's incredibly unusual for any animal, any mammal, 174 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: to drink milk of its own species or of course 175 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: another species into adulthood. It's kind of a juvenile characteristic 176 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: that some parts of the population have adapted to keep 177 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: into adults. It so milk is always kind of a 178 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: weird thing. We've got an episode coming up on stuff 179 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, another show that we 180 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: do about dairy and livestock in general, So do check 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: it out if you'd like. To learn more. So if 182 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: we're keeping if you're keeping a checklist at home here, folks. 183 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Nikola Tesla was kind of right about tobacco, but to 184 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: Knowl's point, he did not anticipate the differing delivery methods. 185 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: He was totally wrong about coffee. He was right about alcohol. 186 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: And the sci fi writers so far are what would 187 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: you say, I would say, they're kind of right, pretty 188 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: close alternatives. Yeah, I mean we're I mean, look they're 189 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: they're like you said, Ben, a lot of these predictions 190 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: are said with a sort of extreme authority that is 191 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: hard to give full credit to. You know, they're basically 192 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: saying like society is going to completely pivot to this 193 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: means of sustenance, and as we know, you know, people 194 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: like all kinds of different things. I have to say 195 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: I think we buried the lead slightly. I love the 196 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: term pseudo steak. I wish that would have taken off um. 197 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: Instead we just call it what sitan Sitan I think 198 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: is the closest thing to pseudo steak and mock turkey, 199 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: which I guess would be something like to fur key. 200 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: But I'm a big fan of the impossible burgers, not 201 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: because I'm like anti meat. I just think they taste 202 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: really good. And the fact that they bleed quote unquote, 203 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: which is sold as a feature, not a book. I 204 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: think it is very strange. Um, but that's not that's 205 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: not what makes me like it. But I think we 206 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: have gotten to a place where you have a lot 207 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: more options now. But it's certainly not one of the 208 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: society as a whole has gravitated towards and like, you know, 209 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: dumped everything right, dumped everything else right. Yeah, it's sort 210 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: of like, you know, the rise of the e book 211 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: or the kindle did not kill the physical book and 212 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: probably won't for a very long long time. I these 213 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: things can exist without being mutually exclusive. The real question 214 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: is one of price, and in parts of the world, 215 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: for a very long time, beef was itself a luxury. 216 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: It's still a luxury, you know, many parts of the planet. 217 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: So the alternative meat stuff is interesting. I love it. Um. 218 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Some listeners know, I was a vegetarian for a long time, 219 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: a number of years ago. I have I have no 220 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: longer vegetarian. I'm omnivorous. But yeah, man, get down on 221 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: an impossible burger if you haven't tried one. They're pretty 222 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: they're pretty solid. I would say they taste good, but 223 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: being burgers tastes good too. I had one just a 224 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: few weeks ago. And I think Ben, both of us 225 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: being fans of home cooking, and we can both attest 226 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: to like it's sort of a misnomer that like, oh, 227 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: if you're vegetarian food, then it's like flavorless or bland 228 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: or something. That's only if you like don't know how 229 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: to cook or don't know, you know, don't have a 230 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: good recipe. Because everything that when you're when you're cooking, 231 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: it's all about how you season it. It's all about 232 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,359 Speaker 1: the ingredients you use. You can make vegetarian food taste incredible, 233 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: just so much flavor possibility and vegetarian food, which leads 234 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: to our next point that they, many of these forward 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: thinking minds of the time believed that fruits and vegetables 236 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: would be a big deal, would be absolutely huge. Uh 237 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: let's call it in the twenty one century. Um, you 238 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: know for a lot of reasons. Ay, they're sustainable, you 239 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: can grow them yourselves, and you can keep you know, 240 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: tend to them, and you don't have to put all 241 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: these creeds. I mean obviously there's water consumption issues to 242 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: think about. But in general, it seems like a little 243 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: bit more of a long game that we as a 244 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: human species could sustain, much more so than the beef problem, 245 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: which we know has all kinds of issues beyond just 246 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: humanitarian but just about the methane that's produced and all 247 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: of the you know, conditions in farms, and you know, 248 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to get into all that stuff like 249 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: the Upton Sinclair meat packing industry stuff, but there's it 250 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: is rife with potential problems. Whereas fruits and vegetables none 251 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: of that ick factor really comes into play. So you 252 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: had someone named John Elferth Watkins Junr. Who wrote in 253 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: a uh the Ladies home Journal that we would be 254 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: eating strawberries, raspberries, and blueberries quote as large as apples 255 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: and peas, and beans would be as big as beats. 256 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: He says, yeah. Now, okay, let's pause for a second 257 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: because we have to understand the concerns about what are 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: called GMOs short for genetically modified organisms, didn't really exist 259 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: in the nineteen hundred's, a century ago. That wasn't something 260 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: that people were super concerned about. I also have to 261 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: point out whenever GMOs come up, things that we eat. 262 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: Before the concern of GMOs like corn, they were already 263 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: genetically modified through breeding, so it's it's a weird term. 264 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: They weren't worried about this. They did predict, as you said, 265 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: an extreme version of a trend that is occurring. It's 266 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: not hard to find really really big fruits. We know 267 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: that because there's a lot of pretty solid science put 268 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: into creating strains and things like seedless fruits, right, or 269 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: things that are larger than the fruit you would find 270 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: in the wild. But some folks even went further and 271 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: they brought the atomic age into the mix. Gotta love 272 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: a good atomic age prediction, UM, and I love that 273 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: they do this without batting an eyelash considering that maybe 274 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: you shouldn't eat those basketball sized tomatoes that were caused 275 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: to be that way because of fallout left behind by 276 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: the hydrogen bomb. UM. That just that there's really no 277 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: cautionary kind of spirit in any of these predictions. UM. 278 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: There was a an article in nineteen six from the 279 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Independent Press Telegrams magazine called Southland UM, where a gentleman 280 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: by the name of George Service comes up with this 281 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: whole notion of a farm from the year two thousand 282 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand and uh, when hydrogen bombs 283 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: would cause the soil to produce three ft long carrots, 284 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: four foot wide turnups, and the aforementioned basketball sized tomatoes. Ah, 285 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: and what if those tomatoes weren't just basketball size, but 286 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: what if they were also square? Former agricultural Secretary Orville 287 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: Freeman believe that the mechanization of agriculture would lead to 288 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: more efficient production, and that a knock on effect of 289 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: this would be the creation of square fruits. No square tomatoes. Rather, 290 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: Now he's not He's not totally wrong. He just got 291 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: the wrong plants. Because you can today or when they're 292 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: in season, you can buy square watermelons and square melons 293 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: of several different types in places like Japan. Uh. This, 294 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: this is true. They are more expensive. But I love 295 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: his I love one of the arguments for the square 296 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: produced folks, and it's this. They said they will be better, 297 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: There'll be better on sandwiches. Yeah, because I just I 298 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: just know nothing I hate more than a round tomato 299 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: on a square sandwich. I need the edge is to 300 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: perfectly align so that every bite gives me a perfect 301 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, combination of the ingredients. We already have round 302 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: bread yeah, you can. I mean, but god, round bread 303 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: just seems wrong, Ben, It just seems wrong. Ben. I 304 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: gotta back up two clicks. How they do those square melons? Man? 305 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Do they grow them in a box or something like? 306 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: You really? Okay? Yeah, it's it's pretty low level technology. 307 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: It's clever though. I'll send you the link they have. 308 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: They grow them into those frames, into those shapes, but 309 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: they're purely ornamental and they're often like the equivalent of 310 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars or so. People pay out the news 311 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: for melons. Do you guys case you might ask you first, 312 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: you haven't shined in this episode yet. Do you remember 313 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: the early internet meme hoax thing by the name of 314 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Bonsai kitten? Oh? Absolutely, I remember the bonds I can 315 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: tell us about bonds I kitten. And I actually was 316 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: not aware that this was like a hoax, So I'm 317 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: glad because that was like kitten cruelty. It was basically 318 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: a kitten that had been stuffed into kind of like 319 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: a square glass container, right, and um, yes, that's pretty 320 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: much all there is to it. Yes, you grow your 321 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: kitty in a in a square clear glass container and 322 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: it molds around so it becomes a perfectly cubed kitten, 323 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: all for the kauaii of it all. So back to 324 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: these predictions. Luckily, yes sponsa kitten for now. One familiar 325 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: is a hoax. I've gotta I've gotta check in here, Casey. 326 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: How what's your take on the alternative meat field or 327 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: on the alternative protein field in general? Um, I think 328 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: it's a worthwhile feel to study. Um. I've had like 329 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: some impossible burgers that kind of thing. They're fine. Um. 330 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean I am a meat eater, but I also 331 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: enjoy kind of trying the new stuff. So yeah, I 332 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean the meat substitutes. They seems like 333 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: a reasonable thing to me. Would you eat insects? No? 334 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: Probably not? Um? Does this has become like an internet meme, right, 335 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: like eat the bugs stay in the pod. I don't 336 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: know about this. I would definitely eat the bug if 337 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: it was one of those crunchy little cricket boys. Yeah, 338 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I could. I could see like a deep fried, chocolate 339 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: dipped kind of thing. Maybe, um, to just like mask 340 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: the taste so you don't really even notice. I would 341 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: do that on a lark, but not as like a 342 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: steady part of my diet. What if you knew a 343 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: false burger. I say false, a false burger patty was 344 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: made up of ground up locusts or something, but it 345 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: wasn't buggy in texture. Would you be okay with that? Um? Yeah, 346 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: why not. I would try it anyway. I just read 347 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: the ingredients after dinner exactly. Yes, yes, So Nol, what 348 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: about you? Just a second ago, you said you were 349 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you were down with eating our insect toyed friends big time, 350 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: And like I said, like I just said, especially, I 351 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: think I know there are ways where you can grind 352 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: them up to make uh, you know, different textures in 353 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, meat, substitute prod And I think that would 354 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: be an interesting use of insects. And I know they 355 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of protein and they have a lot 356 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of a nutty flavor. And I know that sounds 357 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: gross to say that bugs have a nutty flavor, but 358 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm on board. I have never 359 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: had opportunity, though, to eat a cricket, but I would 360 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: do it. So you guys might remember me and uh 361 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: friend of the show, Lauren Vogel Bomb, We've eaten several 362 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: insects on our old show snack stuff, including crickets and 363 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: three different flavors. Ate some locusts. Oh, I've had some 364 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: beetles before. I ate uh not not maggots, grubs from Korea, 365 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and they tasted the way that tire smell on a 366 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: hot day, which is a very sinesthetic way to describe those. 367 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: But I bring this up because the u N predicted 368 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: that people will start eating bugs as part of their 369 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: standard diet helps save the planet or save the ecosystem. 370 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: The thing is a lot of people aren't catching on, 371 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, understandably, I think that squeaks people out. 372 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: But maybe kelp, maybe seaweed is a more acceptable substitute. 373 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: What do you think, well, as as a big sushi eater, 374 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fine with seaweed. Really, like a good seaweed salad. 375 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Kelp is a little bit earlier, I think than just 376 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: regular old seaweed, I'm not mistaken. Like it's a little thicker, 377 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: and like it's the kind of stuff where if you're 378 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: waiting out of the ocean and you get it caught 379 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: on your feet and it has like these weird little 380 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of like booy things that hang off the side 381 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: sort of look like octopus tentacles. That stuff does squig 382 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: me out a little bit, but apparently quite sustainable and 383 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: uh pretty good in a salad. And there were predictions 384 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: that by the Rand Corporation that in nine six UM, 385 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: in an effort to promote eating more kelp, they predicted 386 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: that in the future, uh, massive underwater fields of kelp 387 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: and other varieties of seaweed would be kept by um 388 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: underwater farmers um a k a. Frogman one of our 389 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: favorite terms from stuff that I wants you to know. 390 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: You often hear about spies, Russian spies wearing scuba gear 391 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: being referred to as frogman. I always think of the 392 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: opening to Johnny Quests where you see the particularly froggy 393 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: looking frogman wearing the green scuba suits. Um. But yeah, 394 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: this notion that you could take this kelp, which is 395 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: very rich in protein, uh and make it taste like 396 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: anything you want, like Willy Wonka style. Yeah, it's it's 397 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: almost a uh. So it was the gob stopper, uh, 398 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: the schnausberries taste of schnawsberries. Uh. But don't worry, this 399 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: prediction is still coming to pass. And like you said, no, 400 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: you can find protein rich kelp in a couple of 401 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: different applications. Now, maybe not as extreme as the Rand 402 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: Corps once machine in nineteen sixty six. But we assure you, folks, 403 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: we've looked into it, and eating kelp is not gonna 404 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: lead you down some sort of terrible Veruca Salt. Oh no, wait, 405 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't Veruca Salt. What was her name? She was 406 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: always chewing gum. Violet Beauregard. Violet Beauregard will not lead 407 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: you down a Violet Beauregard path. You won't be rolled 408 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: out blueberry sized, or you won't turn into an enormous 409 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: piece of kelp. Quickly back to the frogman. Though this 410 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: prediction Um, which didn't come to pass, I would love 411 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: to see this happen. With this notion of an underwater 412 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: farm maintained by these scuba men, and that they would 413 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: live in these like underwater bunkers um for like weeks 414 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: out of the year while they tended to their crop. 415 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: That prediction kind of kept going, this idea of living 416 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: subterraneanly like either underground or underwater. Isaac Asimov, another fantastic thinker, UM, 417 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: thought that in order to conquer I guess what he 418 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: would maybe see as like the inevitable annihilation of the 419 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: above ground planet and the atmosphere and such. Perhaps we 420 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: do a better job of setting up underground cities very 421 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: post apocalyptic stuff, um, using advanced light technology that could 422 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: create the same quality of light as you'd have outdoors. Um, 423 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: and then just use the earth surface for agriculture and grazing, 424 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: ground and parks. Not quite as bleak and as I 425 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: was getting at. But um, he definitely didn't quite land 426 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: that one um on the bull's eye, did he? Well not, 427 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: maybe not yet. There are underground facilities that are the 428 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: size of small towns, but they are almost entirely like 429 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: bunkers for some above ground disaster. They're not fun places. Yet. 430 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: There are a couple of things that are temporary. They're 431 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: they're like tangentially related. There are some fantastic undersea hotels 432 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: you can go to in Singapore, Dubai, the Caribbean that 433 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: let you get a get the feel of living life 434 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: beneath the waves. And I believe there's a there's a 435 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: plan in New York to create an underground park called 436 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: the low Line, sort of an alternative to the High Line, right, Yeah, 437 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: the Highline is like that kind of mixed use kind 438 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: of area in New York that's part park, part like 439 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: shopping district and it's all made I'm not mistaken out 440 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: of like disused railway lines, sort of like the belt 441 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Line is here in Atlanta. Um. But yeah, they have 442 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: sort of a subterranean alternative to it that I have 443 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: not heard much about. I don't believe it's a debut yet. 444 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: But it's called the Low Line, and it would be 445 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: like kind of kind of like a similar like underground 446 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of mixed use shopping and dwelling kind of situation. 447 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a mole person or a 448 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: frogman to apply. Another urban prediction that I thought was 449 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: really interesting, and it's Asimov is one person who predicted this, 450 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: but many other people, not just in the realm of 451 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: science fiction, have predicted this. It's the merchants of the 452 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: mega city, the megapolis, right. He thought that he was 453 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: looking at the growth of Boston and Washington and d C. 454 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, eventually these things are going 455 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: to run into each other. They're going to be one huge, 456 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: just city that doesn't stop. And I think we're well 457 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: on the way to that. I guess so. But my 458 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: question is sort of like to what end, Like is 459 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: it is it out of? Um? Oh? I guess efficiency, 460 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: So you just have one government, like it gets to 461 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: a point where if it becomes big enough and it's 462 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: all just much together, then there is is there even 463 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: a need for local government versus like federal government. So 464 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: like the whole point of like you know, the United 465 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: States and that we've got different cities and states obviously 466 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: that have that are kind of governed independently, and if 467 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: he starts kind of mashing them all together, you sort 468 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: of lose some of that individuality. I just wonder what 469 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: was he thinking as to how what benefit this would have? 470 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, it may not have been a question so 471 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: much for him of benefits is one of inevitability that 472 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: the suburbs and excerbs they keep expanding or continually just 473 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: eventually blur. And that's I mean, that's sort of happening. 474 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: And if the trends continue, it may well be that 475 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: the distinction between Boston and d C becomes increasingly a 476 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: matter of tradition. I don't know. I think people will. 477 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: I think locals will tend to want to keep their 478 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: governments though they there might be something that exists that's 479 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: like the uh, the Great Eastern Seaboard conglomeration, or something 480 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: like that. But they'll still want, you know, the mayor 481 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: of Boston is still gonna want to be the mayor 482 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: of Boston, you know. And and you know, as much 483 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: as people maybe like rag on their local politicians, at 484 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: least they feel like they have some agency, you know, 485 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: and there and there's somehow different from people that live 486 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: in other cities. And then they have their own like 487 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: unique kind of personality and like culture. I think that's 488 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: really important. So I'm not I'm not a fan of 489 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: this prediction. Uh and I hope it's not as inevitable 490 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: as as an off thought. I am a big fan 491 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: of this next one. I want to speak a little 492 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: bit or talk a little bit about the presumed kind 493 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: of science behind it this idea. Of course, it was 494 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: Robert A. Heimlin who wrote, uh, oh, what did he writes? 495 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: The one about Mars. He had like a series of 496 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: of books about traveling to Mars and setting up colonies 497 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: on Mars. And I know it has Mars in the name, 498 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: and I am forgetting the name entirely, but you guys 499 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: can look it up google that. But he believed that 500 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: there would should and would be nursing homes on the 501 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: moon and that was because he thought that living on 502 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: the Moon, where gravity is just sevent of the gravity 503 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: fell on Earth, would actually slow down the aging process. Um. 504 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: He thought that, like you know, older bodies that were deteriorating, 505 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: having frail joints, Uh, they would they would feel less pain. Um, 506 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: their weak hearts wouldn't have to work so hard. And 507 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: I guess you know people always say gravity is your 508 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: worst enemy. Uh, and in terms of aging, because everything 509 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: goes down, you know, everything SAgs and all of that stuff, 510 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and like you, you're constantly being pulled towards the center 511 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: of gravity. Um. What do you think, Ben, does that 512 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: hold true? Or or does this sound like some science 513 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: fiction any thinking? Uh, my repressed, my repressed childhood astronauts 514 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: is coming out here. At first, I think you are 515 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: you talking about red planet by planet exactly correct? Yeah, yeah, 516 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: he also wrote Starship Troopers. It's right, dude, But but yeah, 517 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: it's your your point, man. It's a nice idea, and 518 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a laudable one. And I think it's cool 519 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: that he is keeping older patients or members of the 520 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: human species in his thoughts. But it doesn't consider radiation, 521 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't consider the inevitable degradation of the musculature. If 522 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: we keep people on the Moon in low gravity environments 523 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: for such a long time, it would be a one 524 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: way ticket if they live there for a long time. Um, 525 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and maybe we can create the technology that would allow 526 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: people to live in space for an extended period. But 527 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: interestingly enough to bring this part one of our two 528 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: part series back around just a bit, uh, the best 529 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: chance for people to live long term on the Moon 530 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: is still going to be living under the surface because 531 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: that lunar rock will shield them from the radiation of 532 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: the cosmos. Well, Ben, we also haven't talked about how 533 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: your your childhood uh internal astronaut might bring up this 534 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: point to you gotta be in tip top peak shape 535 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: to even make that voyage to the Moon, you know, 536 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: So what would that be like to to send some 537 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: elderly folks that are frail in the first place, and 538 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: how what impacts that have on their bodies just to 539 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: even get there? Would it would it maybe set them back? 540 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I see your point 541 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: about the radiation, Like there's all these other mitigating factors 542 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: that maybe would work against this, like miracle cure of 543 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: living in like lower gravity and and if not, can 544 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: we recreate low gravity conditions here on Earth? Yes? Yes 545 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: we can. Can we create the wow you like? I'm 546 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: such a propagandist for this, Yes we can right now? 547 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: Are trouble? Like trouble would be recreating those conditions for 548 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a long period, for years and years and years. That 549 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: is a little bit more difficult for us, But I 550 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: think I think it's worthwhile. I just, ah, man, how 551 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: cool would it be? How cool would it be if 552 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: a few decades from now we could get together and 553 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: just instead of saying, hey, let's let's all go on 554 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: a road trip, or hey let's all go visit Japan 555 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: or something, we could say, hey, let's go visit the 556 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: lunar base. Um. Another thing I think needs to be 557 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: considered in this equation is think of the Think of 558 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: your loved ones, Think of the folks in your life 559 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: who might potentially benefit from living on the Moon. It 560 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: would be very far away, and it would be tough 561 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: for you to see them. You know, you would be 562 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: on lunar zoom calls. It might not work for everyone, 563 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: but gosh, man, I don't know. Would you do it? 564 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: Would you guys do it? Would you go to the moon. 565 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: Let's say you were in like you're you're in your 566 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: mid eighties. Uh, you're in pretty good condition, but age 567 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: is catching up with you. Would you go to the 568 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: moon and live there if it meant you could live 569 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: to a d T? Yeah? Why not? I guess this 570 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: is the same thing we talked about Ben, this idea 571 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: of making a new Year's resolution or thinking about your 572 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: future self. My present self gives my future self, you know, 573 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: all the support that I can muster to go to 574 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: the moon. But my future self might not feel the 575 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: same way. But we'll see, we'll see, we'll see if 576 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I even get to my mid eighties to even make 577 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: that call. And who knows, by the time we're in 578 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: our mid eighties, maybe this will be an option. Um, 579 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of these things will have come to 580 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: pass that we are now pooh pooing as like, you know, 581 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: because what is a great forward thinking, you know, predictive 582 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: mind if not someone that is constantly being told, oh 583 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: you missed the mark on that one, only to like 584 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: ten years later. Things do go that way. So I 585 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: don't know, a lot left to be written about some 586 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: of these predictions. Um, maybe underwater help farming, Um, we're 587 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: gonna get into some really fun underwater stuff in the 588 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: next episode that we're not gonna spoil right now, involving 589 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: water sports and modes of transportation. That's correct, And speaking 590 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: of our future selves, let's put some more pressure on 591 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: those guys. Look, folks, the future host of ridiculous history 592 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: of this next episode that you're gonna hear uh in 593 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: just a little while, they're gonna tell they're gonna do 594 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: a bang up job. It's gonna be amazing. You're gonna 595 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: leave feeling like you went on that ride at Epcot. 596 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: I think it was Epcot where you go through these 597 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: different versions of the future. Does that Spaceship Earth? No, 598 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: maybe it was. Remember I just remember at the very end, 599 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: you could check someone right in and let us know 600 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: what this is. At the very end of this ride, 601 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: you could choose how to how to end the ride. 602 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: You could fly underwater through space or the hazard or 603 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: something like that. Uh, let us know. We want to 604 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: know what you think of these predictions. We want to 605 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: know your other favorite predictions from yesteryear about the twenty 606 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: one century. And if you're feeling uh frogmany, then take 607 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: a leap and let us know your predictions for the future. 608 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, guys these things you say 609 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: shouting into the void, waving your fist in the air, 610 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: but I don't know how to get in contact with you. Well, 611 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: we can fix that right now. Yeah, first of all, 612 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: stop shouting and and and and lower your fists. This 613 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: is this is a safe space. You can reach us 614 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: on the internet very easily, um, no void shouting necessary. 615 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: You can find us on our Facebook group, it's called 616 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: the Ridiculous Historians. All you have to do is name 617 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: and name my name to producer Casey Pegram's name, Ben 618 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: Boland's name, anyone associated with the show that we list 619 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: in those ubiquitous credits that we do the end of 620 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: every episode. 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It's good to be back 646 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: on the Zoom with you again, and happy New Year 647 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: to you. Well, here's to many more episodes and New 648 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: Year's in the future. We'll see you next time, folks. 649 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 650 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 651 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.