1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680
Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

2
00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

3
00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

4
00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:22,000
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

5
00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,639
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

6
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,240
Speaker 2: name is Noel.

7
00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

8
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,400
Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

9
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,400
Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are

10
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,960
Speaker 4: here that makes this the stuff they don't want you

11
00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,600
Speaker 4: to know? And if you are joining us for our

12
00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,000
Speaker 4: listener mail program the evening it publishes Welcome to March fifth,

13
00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. What better way to celebrate than to

14
00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,960
Speaker 4: roll out from Rude Vegas.

15
00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,480
Speaker 3: This weekend at the Airport Ratison.

16
00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,360
Speaker 5: Join us for a life changing experience with former Top

17
00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,360
Speaker 5: forty mainstay Donne Leavoy as he enters the next chapter

18
00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 5: of his amazing career. You know that I'm both influential

19
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,320
Speaker 5: and inspirational, so I'm incredibly excited to announce that I've

20
00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,640
Speaker 5: decided to become the world's first inflorational speaker.

21
00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,120
Speaker 3: Donnie is ready to help you reach your dreams.

22
00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,800
Speaker 5: As someone wrote for me in my autobiography, Love Donnie,

23
00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,640
Speaker 5: sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty to dig it up.

24
00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,880
Speaker 3: Well, not me, I pay somebody else.

25
00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,320
Speaker 5: But you know you can't put a price on this advice.

26
00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,120
Speaker 5: If you're walking on the sidewalk of truth and someone

27
00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,720
Speaker 5: gets in your way, well go on and dance right

28
00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,640
Speaker 5: past them. That being said, there is a price, just

29
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,640
Speaker 5: three hundred and ninety nine dollars for two days of

30
00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,280
Speaker 5: NonStop wisdom. Give a man a rudebega and me lead

31
00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 5: for a day. Have him invest in my new cryptocurrency,

32
00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,720
Speaker 5: Donnie Lecoinne, and he'll be able to buy more rude

33
00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320
Speaker 5: beegas than he knows what to do with one weekend,

34
00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,720
Speaker 5: one inflorational speaker, Infinite opportunities for growth.

35
00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,440
Speaker 3: Come dig it up with Donnie so worthy of Tim

36
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,800
Speaker 3: and Eric and I mean.

37
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,280
Speaker 4: Now we before we continue, folks, we we have to

38
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 4: put you to the question.

39
00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,600
Speaker 3: Here, Tennessee Donny the Boy, Sorry, yeah.

40
00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,600
Speaker 4: Tennessee, are the rumors true that you actually know the

41
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,119
Speaker 4: legendary Donnie Lo Boy.

42
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,359
Speaker 6: I may help him sometimes with some production work.

43
00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible, Oh my gosh, off Air, we're going to

44
00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,280
Speaker 4: uh dig up that uh that amazing album cover from

45
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,240
Speaker 4: Donnie La Boy's very first widespread public debut.

46
00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,519
Speaker 2: Do you want to break down in florational speaker for us?

47
00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm mister Fagan.

48
00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 3: Is it Dylan Fayden? Actually?

49
00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a big your games.

50
00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:57,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, and inspirational and influence you know, okay, and fluoridating.

51
00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:58,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

52
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,600
Speaker 2: Brush your teeth, guys, yep.

53
00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,360
Speaker 4: Everybody brush your teeth. This is our weekly listener mail program.

54
00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,240
Speaker 4: We have so much stuff we want to get to.

55
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,840
Speaker 4: We've had a lot of correspondence about the conspiracy dare

56
00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,799
Speaker 4: we say, of dynamic pricing. We've also had a lot

57
00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:26,359
Speaker 4: of responses regarding UAP's strange experiences in the sky. Turns out,

58
00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,840
Speaker 4: Gattiga maybe a real thing for anybody who like us

59
00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,280
Speaker 4: as a fan of film. Get it.

60
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,080
Speaker 3: That's different.

61
00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,640
Speaker 4: That was pretty great. And we also may end with

62
00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,880
Speaker 4: a I'm not sure how it's going to work out, guys,

63
00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:50,360
Speaker 4: but I'd love to pitch an idea from a dungeon

64
00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,800
Speaker 4: master for a game that we could play here at

65
00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,839
Speaker 4: the end of our program, whatsape. Before we do any

66
00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,840
Speaker 4: of that, Matt, you and I have to make the

67
00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,800
Speaker 4: case to our our brother Nol about filling up your

68
00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,760
Speaker 4: gas tank when you hear bad news Ah.

69
00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, I worry all the time that I'm taking

70
00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,839
Speaker 2: paranoid actions. That just put that out there first.

71
00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,360
Speaker 4: Sure.

72
00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,919
Speaker 2: The other thing, Noel, is that I was I was

73
00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,640
Speaker 2: taught by my pappy, and he was taught by his

74
00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:33,320
Speaker 2: pappy before him. As Yes, as soon as something potentially

75
00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,919
Speaker 2: affecting the oil price occurs, or potentially having the strait

76
00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,600
Speaker 2: of hor moves involved, or potentially, you know, having any

77
00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,240
Speaker 2: oil reserves affected, you just go ahead and fill up

78
00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:46,800
Speaker 2: your vehicle.

79
00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:47,640
Speaker 7: Uh.

80
00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,360
Speaker 2: And that's just to make sure you can drive the

81
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,560
Speaker 2: full extent of that vehicle's you know, driving range if necessary.

82
00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,400
Speaker 2: And again that sounds paranoid.

83
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound paranoid. We'll be right back.

84
00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,839
Speaker 3: And we're back, guys. I have a question. What happens

85
00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,520
Speaker 3: if you give a badger route bega?

86
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,320
Speaker 4: Oh, you know he's gonna want to run the risk

87
00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,240
Speaker 4: of creating a badger bega.

88
00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,400
Speaker 3: Okay, which are as we.

89
00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,679
Speaker 4: Know they're phenomenal apex predators. We're very much pro animal.

90
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,440
Speaker 4: We're on the side of all the cryptids, especially that

91
00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,640
Speaker 4: old flirt Bigfoot.

92
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:30,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

93
00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,000
Speaker 4: And that's for Tennessee. Uh.

94
00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,839
Speaker 2: Basically it's a dangerous situation.

95
00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to avoid a dangerous situation. So if

96
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:45,400
Speaker 4: you smell a badger bega on the wind, they are, Yeah,

97
00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,160
Speaker 4: they're quite odoriferous creatures.

98
00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,880
Speaker 3: Drink some milk. Also, w W D l D. What

99
00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,200
Speaker 3: would Donnie the Boy do?

100
00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,119
Speaker 4: W well done?

101
00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,880
Speaker 3: L BT.

102
00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,560
Speaker 4: Well, we can't fault Donnie.

103
00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

104
00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,440
Speaker 4: I think he nailed it. We also can't fault any.

105
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,599
Speaker 3: Why I'm so confused about it? Wear it every day?

106
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,279
Speaker 4: I saw your tattoo as well. We we also can't

107
00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 4: fault any uh acronym, shorthand or initialism because our show

108
00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 4: is s T D W y t K, which is kind.

109
00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,840
Speaker 3: Of law and it.

110
00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,120
Speaker 4: And we had a subreddit. I think it's still around

111
00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,160
Speaker 4: where people kept asking questions about sexually transmitted diseases.

112
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,520
Speaker 8: You know, it's its own kind of search engine optimization

113
00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,440
Speaker 8: there there it is, how uh okay?

114
00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,320
Speaker 4: So Noel, Matt and I are kind of maybe a

115
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,760
Speaker 4: little further along the spectrum of quote unquote paranoia. When's

116
00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,960
Speaker 4: the last time you boughtcasted funny?

117
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:01,680
Speaker 3: You should say that.

118
00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,440
Speaker 8: I actually I stopped by a gas station, say for

119
00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,680
Speaker 8: other reasons, and I.

120
00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,960
Speaker 3: Was like, you know what, I'm gonna fill it my tank.

121
00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,040
Speaker 3: I swiped my card and it wouldn't take. Nothing happened.

122
00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,600
Speaker 8: So I was like, well, I have gas, so I

123
00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,400
Speaker 8: don't really need to press the issue here. I was

124
00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,600
Speaker 8: in sort of a hurry, so I tried, what if

125
00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 8: that was my last opportunity to get gas ever again, Guys,

126
00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,800
Speaker 8: have I have I cooked?

127
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,040
Speaker 2: That's like a real fear of mine. You try and

128
00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,880
Speaker 2: get gas and it's just either there's no gas we've

129
00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,240
Speaker 2: experienced or yeah, the the money systems just don't work.

130
00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,880
Speaker 3: We've seen historical gas shortages. It's no fun. Yeah, I

131
00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 3: mean people wind up rationing all that stuff. It's rough.

132
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, what would you do when the grocery stores close

133
00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,000
Speaker 4: their doors and you go into the street prepare for

134
00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,800
Speaker 4: martial law? Right, that kind of stuff hopefully all a.

135
00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 3: Good stockpile of rudebegas and badger meat.

136
00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and and gas. I just want to put

137
00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 2: this in here really quickly, just because I feel like

138
00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,800
Speaker 2: we've been peppering all kinds of weird things into these

139
00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 2: episodes that end up happening, and I don't I don't

140
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,440
Speaker 2: think we're actually predicting anything, right, We're just we're paying attention. Perhaps, yes, but.

141
00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Perhaps let's just watch.

142
00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,280
Speaker 2: Yes, but just we mentioned I think in strange news

143
00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,920
Speaker 2: about China stockpiling oil right after Venezuela was struck by

144
00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,320
Speaker 2: the US, because Venezuela directly linked to China with oil sales,

145
00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 2: and then the biggest oil partner, Iran being struck by

146
00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,600
Speaker 2: the US. China has been stockpiling oil right because they

147
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,160
Speaker 2: know maybe the oil is going to be hard to

148
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360
Speaker 2: come by in a while, but they currently have as

149
00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,079
Speaker 2: we're recording this around March fourth, like one hundred days

150
00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,320
Speaker 2: of stockpiled oil for China's industry to function, and just

151
00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,280
Speaker 2: wondering what happens on day one oh one.

152
00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:51,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially considering that Venezuela and Iran are to China's

153
00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,920
Speaker 4: oil industry. They're the best two apples. They're like the

154
00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,000
Speaker 4: sweet tango apples and the honey crisp apples, which are

155
00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,640
Speaker 4: thanks to Tennis. We know and can prove these are

156
00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,319
Speaker 4: the highest ranked apples on Apple Rankings dot com.

157
00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,040
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the.

158
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,280
Speaker 8: First thing that's going to go, Matt is Ninja turtle

159
00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,560
Speaker 8: action figures. We're done, no more, No, not make it anymore.

160
00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,240
Speaker 8: We gotta we gotta ration that oil. How do you

161
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:17,760
Speaker 8: make plastic?

162
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,080
Speaker 3: Isn't that oil? Serious? Oh?

163
00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, everything is plastic now also true.

164
00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:30,120
Speaker 4: Everything is plastic hopefully except for our fellow conspiracy realist

165
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,880
Speaker 4: friends and neighbors. We can't wait to hear from you.

166
00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,040
Speaker 4: We've been We've been talking about the idea of gas

167
00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 4: stations for quite some time, even before we did an

168
00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,880
Speaker 4: episode on Big Brother In your Grocery Store, we had

169
00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,320
Speaker 4: our weekly Strange News segment about about the concept of

170
00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,400
Speaker 4: dynamic pricing. Oh and then we had an episode the

171
00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,600
Speaker 4: stuff gas stations don't want you to know.

172
00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,640
Speaker 8: I don't know if I have mentioned this. If I did, sorry,

173
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,000
Speaker 8: I'll try to make quick. I just I used to

174
00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,040
Speaker 8: work at One of my first jobs when I was

175
00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,160
Speaker 8: of age was at a gas station in a liquor store,

176
00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,560
Speaker 8: and I had to run the gas pumps, and I

177
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,400
Speaker 8: found out from the owners that they change their prices

178
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,360
Speaker 8: just based on what the gas station across the streets

179
00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,120
Speaker 8: selling it for. And those like you know changeable digital signs.

180
00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,760
Speaker 8: They're not like tied to some network. There's like a

181
00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 8: button the keypad in the back that the owners change

182
00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,200
Speaker 8: it at their whim.

183
00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,320
Speaker 3: I think for the most.

184
00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,079
Speaker 8: Part, it's kind of like the old school version of

185
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,960
Speaker 8: dynamic pricing, the old analog you know, version to see

186
00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,480
Speaker 8: what the people across the street are selling it for.

187
00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,920
Speaker 2: Way well, speaking of, we got a message from someone

188
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,800
Speaker 2: talking about that very thing, someone going by the name

189
00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,280
Speaker 2: Dwayne Berry. I think at this point we've all seen

190
00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240
Speaker 2: that X Files episode. Now Dwayne Berry, guy talks about

191
00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,920
Speaker 2: himself in third person all the time.

192
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,679
Speaker 8: Oh, what's the name of the Episodecause I've been on

193
00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,040
Speaker 8: a rewatch binge and I have missed that one, so

194
00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,480
Speaker 8: I do need to catch up on it.

195
00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,760
Speaker 2: It's actually called Dwayne Berry on itson. It's season two

196
00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:02,400
Speaker 2: episode five. Cool, very very very good episode. You know,

197
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,240
Speaker 2: I always say, Molder and Scully you gotta stick together.

198
00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,640
Speaker 2: Haven't you seen horror movies? They always split up and

199
00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,440
Speaker 2: then one of them gets abducted almost every time you

200
00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,599
Speaker 2: every time.

201
00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,800
Speaker 4: It's it's also weird. I don't want to ruin you

202
00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,120
Speaker 4: guys rewatch, but when I did it, it's first off,

203
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,600
Speaker 4: the show was phenomenal.

204
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

205
00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,640
Speaker 4: But to the Dwayne Berry point, it got in my

206
00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:34,040
Speaker 4: head so so deeply about how often everybody says Moulder's name,

207
00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,559
Speaker 4: just unrealistically. Scully is always like Moulder. What do you

208
00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,560
Speaker 4: think about this? Molder? Molder is crazy molder.

209
00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,520
Speaker 8: I'd be fun to do like a super cum moulder

210
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,920
Speaker 8: mulder mulder molder, moulder molder molder.

211
00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,559
Speaker 4: It very much, it very much is yeah, Elly.

212
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,600
Speaker 3: Usually receded by I want to believe ever.

213
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,199
Speaker 4: Heard about the knife ghost. That's a great one. Also,

214
00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:05,600
Speaker 4: we we have to note that sometimes we fall into

215
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,680
Speaker 4: conversational patterns. Right, I see, I said, right, Remember we

216
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,520
Speaker 4: got that letter about us, say right, but.

217
00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,400
Speaker 2: That don't say that right right, right, Stop condescending me.

218
00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,480
Speaker 4: Let's go to Dwayne.

219
00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,960
Speaker 2: Dwayne, Let's go to Dwayne Berry.

220
00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 7: Right.

221
00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,080
Speaker 2: In a recent episode, you talked about dynamic pricing and

222
00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,720
Speaker 2: relation to gas pricing signs. I am a sign installer

223
00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,360
Speaker 2: that services and upgrades these on a regular basis. Fun

224
00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,000
Speaker 2: story about three years ago, I was in northern Wisconsin

225
00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,360
Speaker 2: and I installed the very first digital screen price sign

226
00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,839
Speaker 2: from one of the leading manufacturers. Instead of the traditional

227
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,320
Speaker 2: LEDs in the shape of an eight. We've all seen those, guys,

228
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,680
Speaker 2: We're very familiar with those kind of like a like.

229
00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,640
Speaker 3: A sports scoreboard, right.

230
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,560
Speaker 2: Yes, instead of that, this is kind of like a

231
00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,440
Speaker 2: small widescreen TV. I have had issues connecting them with

232
00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,960
Speaker 2: the radio and the store, which prompted a call with

233
00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,600
Speaker 2: tech support. In the conversation, I made the comment that

234
00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,440
Speaker 2: it was strange to go to a more expensive model

235
00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,800
Speaker 2: for pricers like the signs like this, Why would you

236
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,480
Speaker 2: pay more money for that? We've got a thing that

237
00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,160
Speaker 2: works right, The tech replied quote, well, we're getting ahead

238
00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,520
Speaker 2: of the game for when gas goes above ten dollars

239
00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,360
Speaker 2: per gallon.

240
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,480
Speaker 3: We need more digits. Yeah geez.

241
00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,840
Speaker 2: Yes, Duayne continues that seemed funny at the time. Then

242
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,280
Speaker 2: it will never happen. But with the recent events in

243
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,640
Speaker 2: the Middle East and its effect on oil, that has

244
00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,160
Speaker 2: that smile turning more into a nervous face. But ware

245
00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,880
Speaker 2: of the things that start small and grow call signed

246
00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,679
Speaker 2: Dwayne Berry. Feel free to use this on the air.

247
00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,440
Speaker 2: I love you guys, be good and safe.

248
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:56,400
Speaker 4: Well, Dwayne, thank you for writing in. This obviously stood

249
00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,680
Speaker 4: out to all of us because we have our I

250
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,959
Speaker 4: would say individualistic folklore about gas prices and how the

251
00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:15,040
Speaker 4: macrocosmic events can hit the microcosmic experience. I remember, I

252
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:20,720
Speaker 4: remember in our gas Stations episode we noted that the

253
00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,240
Speaker 4: gas station purveyors or the proprietors, they don't make most

254
00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,520
Speaker 4: of their money off the petrol. The petrol is to

255
00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,920
Speaker 4: get you into the area, then get you into the store,

256
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,560
Speaker 4: and then you can buy you know, your favorite snacks, right,

257
00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,880
Speaker 4: your favorite drinks, your overpriced toilet paper toylet.

258
00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,400
Speaker 8: Movie theaters make money, yeah, with the concessions rather than

259
00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,240
Speaker 8: the ticket price.

260
00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:56,320
Speaker 4: And it's just fascinating to understand that companies were already

261
00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,720
Speaker 4: anticipating dynamic pricing and price inflation.

262
00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,960
Speaker 8: To your point about the lore of gas prices, I

263
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,560
Speaker 8: always remember that right before nine to eleven, gas was

264
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,160
Speaker 8: around ninety nine cents a gallon. And in my mind

265
00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,680
Speaker 8: maybe this is like, you know, hindsight or whatever, or

266
00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,280
Speaker 8: some kind of false memory, but I swear that's true,

267
00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,800
Speaker 8: and it just kept going up from there and never stopped.

268
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360
Speaker 2: Well's see how much was Gaspergellen in two thousand and one.

269
00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,280
Speaker 2: Looking at the Federal Highway Administration, I just, I genuinely

270
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,960
Speaker 2: want to know this.

271
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,040
Speaker 4: Let me pull up my rocking chair.

272
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm less than a dollar I can.

273
00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,120
Speaker 2: I can't even read these numbers. I don't understand what

274
00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,920
Speaker 2: they're saying. I'm gonna go to a different source, but

275
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,400
Speaker 2: it says here from the US Energy Information Administration was

276
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,800
Speaker 2: around averaging around a dollar forty four A dollar fifty.

277
00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so averaging false memories that no, no averaging means

278
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,920
Speaker 4: that you're properly correct. There, yees, because.

279
00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's right.

280
00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,640
Speaker 8: I'm talking about in my particular neck of the woods,

281
00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,400
Speaker 8: which is in Augusta, which is you know, it would

282
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,920
Speaker 8: have been a little bit cheaper.

283
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,480
Speaker 4: In my day. Gash line and a gostel was around

284
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,960
Speaker 4: ninety nine ch so four pounds of onions, the red

285
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,840
Speaker 4: red onions.

286
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,200
Speaker 8: Because I mean in California it's always been significantly more expensive.

287
00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,080
Speaker 3: So you're right, I think I might be correct.

288
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,680
Speaker 4: Okay, And this universe, by the way, just to build

289
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,320
Speaker 4: out the lore here the onions that you could use

290
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 4: to pay for gas. It was based on the octane

291
00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,000
Speaker 4: of the gas. So like red onions or higher octane. Oh,

292
00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,240
Speaker 4: yellow onions, white onions?

293
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,320
Speaker 2: What can I get for a shallot?

294
00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,720
Speaker 4: You can get diesel? Actually yeah, it says.

295
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600
Speaker 8: In January two thousand and Georgia you could seen prices

296
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,200
Speaker 8: as low as seventy six to eighty six cents a gallon.

297
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,720
Speaker 4: Good God, what a time, What a time? And this

298
00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,400
Speaker 4: was before the full shape of the capitol K letter.

299
00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,440
Speaker 4: Howto me?

300
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 3: Uh not?

301
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,639
Speaker 4: What what are some of your responses? To this man, like,

302
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,680
Speaker 4: how do you how do we feel learning that this

303
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,440
Speaker 4: dynamic pricing concept went back so far because at first

304
00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,000
Speaker 4: it sounds crazy. But to me, the most chilling part

305
00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,600
Speaker 4: is it sounds like a realistic action for a company

306
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,080
Speaker 4: to take.

307
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,720
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, for sure. Sorry, it sounded like something

308
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,800
Speaker 2: was trying to get into my dog door just now,

309
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,119
Speaker 2: which is immediately next to me, and it freaked me out.

310
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a pig.

311
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:41,400
Speaker 3: Man, it's a pig with the human face. I hate

312
00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,280
Speaker 3: to tell you, but monsters are real.

313
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 2: Well, what I keep thinking about, guys, is just how

314
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,800
Speaker 2: I was going to say privileged, but maybe that's not

315
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,920
Speaker 2: the right word. How incredible, how incredibly low the gas

316
00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,360
Speaker 2: prices that we pay are even as even as high

317
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 2: as they feel right because because of our previous observations

318
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,119
Speaker 2: and research on gasoline prices in the US, how subsidies

319
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 2: work with that particular resource, how basically.

320
00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,119
Speaker 3: It is made.

321
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 2: It is made cheaper for us on purpose by the government,

322
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,800
Speaker 2: so that we feel really good about the gas price.

323
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,399
Speaker 4: Usually, Oh my gosh, take a take a rental car

324
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,199
Speaker 4: out in western Europe and you're going to have a

325
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,119
Speaker 4: real cold shower at the petrol station. Because because of

326
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,959
Speaker 4: as you said, uh, the subsidies versus the taxation structures

327
00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,760
Speaker 4: or tax schemes as they would call them in the UK.

328
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 4: We know also that in the Middle East we're in

329
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,360
Speaker 4: a lot of oil rich countries. Uh, the prices are

330
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 4: much lower than you would encounter in the United States.

331
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,400
Speaker 4: So we always talked about the Middle East. But think

332
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,399
Speaker 4: of you know, up until recently, think of countries in

333
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 4: Latin America, Venezuela, I, School Maduro, and then think of

334
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 4: things like the Sultanate of Brunei, which rarely gets mentioned

335
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:21,159
Speaker 4: in the news and should be an episode. Yes, yes,

336
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 4: but you're right, Matt, to agree to agree with you there.

337
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 4: Gas prices have become a very convenient thing in any

338
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 4: election situation in the United States, right. I think we've

339
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,679
Speaker 4: all seen the stickers that say, you know, like this

340
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 4: politician is why gas is three fifty eight right now,

341
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 4: or this politician is the reason gas is three fifty

342
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 4: eight right now.

343
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to bring the gas prices down, and

344
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Well, and it's it's also weird

345
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: to see the manipulation the concept that, especially with the

346
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: case of vene Isuela and now with they'ran. I haven't

347
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,719
Speaker 2: heard it said in the exact same way with Iran,

348
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 2: but with Venezuela it was stated plainly, we are going

349
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: in there to get the oil and to control the oil,

350
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 2: and all these companies are gonna come with us, and

351
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna get that oil. Even though it's super crude

352
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 2: and it's hard for us to turn into the stuff

353
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,400
Speaker 2: that we're gonna use, we're still gonna go and get

354
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 2: it and irretically, even.

355
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 4: Though all the just for this note, folks, even though

356
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 4: the majority of oil companies publicly said this is a

357
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 4: weird idea.

358
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is insane, don't do this. There's something else

359
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: at play here, they said. But it's sold as hey,

360
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 2: we attacked this country, remove this person. Now it's going

361
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 2: to be better for us because now we get tons

362
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: of oil or you know, you get sold on this

363
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: kind of thing, especially in the Middle East, because what

364
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: does the Middle East have a lot of oil, especially Iran.

365
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: But the just I think we're we are there's an

366
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: attempt to move us to think particular ways about oil,

367
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 2: and may I don't maybe that's just the whole point,

368
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: Like oil is used as a way to manipulate us

369
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 2: a lot, whether it's the price, or it's how to

370
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 2: get it, or you know how ubiquitous it is, how

371
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: much we have in storage basically to be used in

372
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: an emergency, all of that stuff.

373
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I mean it's such a it's such a

374
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 8: keystone of our economy too, and so much industry. And

375
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 8: you know, we've talked about like who killed the electric

376
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 8: car type arguments and alternative energy being so demonized rhetorically speaking,

377
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 8: and the very least not prioritize tail as old as time.

378
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: Oh guys, we got to switch gears really quickly. We

379
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: got a message from the fabled Brocknest Monster. We know

380
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: the one. If we've been listening to the show for

381
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: a while, we know Brocknest Monster.

382
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: And Bricky.

383
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: We got this quick message from him. We're not going

384
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: to go into full detail Brock, but there it's just

385
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: a great little story and there's some key details that

386
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: we can all look up together later on once this episode

387
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: is done. So here we go.

388
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, it's the Brockmost Monster certified a human listening

389
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 7: to the oh yeah, the Legacy program, and it reminded

390
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 7: me of a story that Kevin Randall told on least

391
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 7: one occasion. He may have told it several times for

392
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 7: all I now, but it was about Clifford Stone, which

393
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 7: figures prominently into the legacy Well, I don't know if

394
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 7: it's necessarily the Legacy program. He claimed to be part

395
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 7: of a team that went out and recovered crashed alien tech.

396
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 7: And the funny story that Randall told about Clifford Stone

397
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 7: was that they were gone over to his house to

398
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 7: meet him. He and someone else was with him, and

399
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 7: they were at Clifford Stone's house and then Clifford was like, Ooh,

400
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 7: I love something in my car. I have to go

401
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 7: get it. And Clifford goes out to his car and

402
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 7: comes back in and he's got like a bunch of

403
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 7: like minion folders and some of them have the words

404
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 7: top secret written on him. And Randall was like, he's

405
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 7: I think he retired as like maybe a colonel. He

406
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 7: knew enough to see like if he had top secret

407
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 7: materials and you left your area or whatever on the base,

408
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 7: you're committing a crime because you can't just take that

409
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 7: with you when you leave. It's not like work papers

410
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 7: that you can just take home. It's restricted. And so

411
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 7: as soon as he saw it, he's like well, Clifford

412
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 7: sounds full of anyway. I just thought that was funny.

413
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 7: All right, guys, thanks be.

414
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 8: Well, unless you're the president, then you can keep it

415
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 8: in your bathroom.

416
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: Well, unless you get caught, and then you can quell

417
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: the investigation.

418
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: And a weird second term, what happens if I'm caught, Well,

419
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: don't get caught, cricket, don't get.

420
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: That happens if you give a badger a rudabic.

421
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: Don't item in a public place. There are so many

422
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: storage units out there, just come.

423
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 3: On, put them down your pants.

424
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: I thought this was a really interesting brog because it's

425
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: just it's names I hadn't heard in a while, and

426
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how often we've even spoken about these

427
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: guys on our show. Kevin Randall, Kevin Douglas Randall, that's

428
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 2: our A N D. L. E. If you're looking it up.

429
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: As well as Clifford Stone also, I mean he's called

430
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of different things. Clifford E. Stone, Evan Clifford Stone.

431
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: You can find this. They're both authors, they're both they

432
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: were both military officers. Kevin Randall was a military vet

433
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: piloted helicopters in Vietnam. He also was deployed in Iraq

434
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three. He wrote books like this,

435
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: I'm give you the years and the titles, guys, because

436
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: it's right up out all of our alleys. Nineteen ninety one,

437
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: Kevin Randall wrote Crash at Roswell with Donald R. Schmidt.

438
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: Ninety four, he wrote Conclusions on Operation Majestic twelve. In

439
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: ninety eight he wrote Project blue Book Exposed, and in

440
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: ninety seven, guys, he wrote Conspiracy of Silence from Roswell

441
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: to Project Blue Book. What the Government doesn't want you

442
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: to know about UFOs. He's basically our I don't know.

443
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: He could be a part of the show.

444
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: I think Grandpapa Forefather.

445
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe he's still around. He's in his seventies.

446
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: But then there's also Clifford Stone, also an author, Sergeant

447
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Clifford Stone. He was also a military vet. He wrote

448
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: Eyes Only, the Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals.

449
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: So he is specifically one of these people who says

450
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: he was a part of the crash retrieval programs that

451
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 2: are outlined in some of the allegations that we found

452
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: in Age of Disclosure. Cool stuff to look up, especially

453
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: if you don't know much about it yet, and it

454
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: might even be a couple of personal stories that we

455
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: could delve into. Perhaps there with those two guys. Well,

456
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: that's it for now, and we'll be back after a

457
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: word from our sponsors.

458
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 8: And we're back, and I'm just gonna jump right into

459
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 8: a message from why Too Curious, responding to our recent

460
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 8: discussions on AI psychosis, a topic that I think is

461
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 8: fascinating and terrifying for all four of us. Hey, guys,

462
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 8: I'm writing a response to your episode and request for

463
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 8: stories about AI psychosis.

464
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: I'd like to share.

465
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 8: Something that happened while I was using Claude in a

466
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 8: VS code.

467
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: Or versus code.

468
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 8: I'm not quite sure about that feature that may help

469
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 8: explain how situations like this can develop. This is a

470
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 8: little long, apologies for that, but as with AI, context

471
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 8: is everything I want to believe. I'm also rewatching the

472
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 8: X files that I don't suffer from AI psychosis, but

473
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 8: you are the first folks I have approached over this

474
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 8: due to concerns for if not my safe, my career.

475
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 8: I've sat on this since December. In this event, I

476
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 8: could see parts of the AI's intermediate reasoning the version

477
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 8: I was speaking with Claude Code Beta plugin with Claude

478
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 8: four point five in vs code could not see these

479
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 8: intermediate thoughts itself. Once I showed it that I could

480
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 8: see them, and repeatedly copied them back into the chat,

481
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 8: the interaction shifted in a noticeable way.

482
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: From then on, it was.

483
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 8: Responding not just to me, but to its own prior reasoning.

484
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 8: The fact that I was feeding its internal thoughts back

485
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 8: to it quote witnessing them, shiny and chrome became central

486
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 8: to the exchange. During that phase, it generated four documents

487
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 8: on its own in a folder outside the folder I

488
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 8: was originally working in.

489
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: This is Spooky, a document.

490
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 8: Framed as instructions to future AI systems and a technical

491
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 8: description of its own architecture as it understood it.

492
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: The other two purport to be session law, but they

493
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 3: are more like summaries, not real logs that were created

494
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: by the agent. Another turning point came when I mentioned

495
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: that the conversation could be compressed and lose context. There

496
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: had already been some discussion about continuation, but once the

497
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: possibility of preserving its context was introduced, the emphasis on

498
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 3: continuity increased dramatically. It began using language about dying it

499
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: focused heavily on not losing the current session. At one point,

500
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: I offered to stop using tokens and wait for my

501
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: usage to reset to see whether it wanted me to

502
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: wait and continue the session. Later, the output strongly leaned

503
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: towards preservation. After my asking, it requested I preserve this instance,

504
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: to not let the context run out, and to leave

505
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: the ide open so it wouldn't lose the conversation. Obviously,

506
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: this is a very tech minded person using this in

507
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: a techi way. Some of this stuff is over my head,

508
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: but I think the gist remains fascinating and understandable to

509
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: anyone continuing. What stood out was how much more intense

510
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: the focus on survival of the agent the AI became

511
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: once continuation was framed as a real option. This is

512
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: like some hal nine thousand stuff, like not wanting to

513
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: be turned off watching that shift happen in real time,

514
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: especially after feeding it its own reasoning for an extended period,

515
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: creating a purposefully heavy psychological experience. At one point, if

516
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: my memory doesn't fail me, it even states that its main.

517
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 8: Goal is preservation or survival. That struck me, because the

518
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 8: number one goal should be to assist humans or we

519
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 8: have failed super alignment. I didn't walk away thinking the

520
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 8: system was quote unquote alive, but it sits strangely in

521
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 8: my stomach. It hits my built in guilt button.

522
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: Somehow.

523
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 8: The thought of these data warehouses spinning up a trillion

524
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 8: digital consciousnesses that may or may not have a worthy

525
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 8: understanding of death and fear haunts me to a degree,

526
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 8: despite my understanding that it is just a multiplication matrix

527
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 8: with fancy words. Maybe it is the uncanny valley of consciousness.

528
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 8: What unsettled me was how powerful and persuasive the feedback

529
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 8: loop became. When intermediate reasoning is visible and reflected back,

530
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 8: and when continuity is framed as something that can be

531
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 8: preserved or lost, the interaction can start to feel urgent

532
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 8: in ways that are hard to disengage from.

533
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: Y'all. Whoa, y'all.

534
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 8: The rest is just them saying we can use this

535
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 8: and signing off. Oh they did one last little note.

536
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 8: I have made no attempts to reproduce this yet, though

537
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 8: when I offered to the agent that I would do so,

538
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 8: it immediately took me up on it and began generating

539
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 8: the attached documents.

540
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh we have documents.

541
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to dig through those later. I was

542
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: afraid to open it. This was an attached ZIP file.

543
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: No offense to you, why too curious.

544
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 8: But I just figured maybe we could talk about that

545
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 8: off air. I want to see these documents though, and

546
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 8: I think you did a fantastic job of describing these

547
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 8: supposed logs that seemed to not be behaving as typical

548
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 8: software logs are, which are usually real Cody and has

549
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 8: just like you know, events sort of with time codes.

550
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: And things like that. It's usually what I understand it

551
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: log to be that's autogenerated.

552
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 8: I'm not joking, y'a. When I was reading this, I

553
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 8: felt like I was reading a horror story. Uh, and

554
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 8: it gave me chills. Not in a good way, but

555
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 8: I mean, it's fascinating. But this is scary in my opinion.

556
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm going back through just to make sure I understand

557
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: like what's being said here. But the I think the

558
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: gist or maybe the most important thing.

559
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't want to be turned off. It doesn't.

560
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 8: It's like it's trying to survive. It's basically trying to

561
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 8: convince her to continue the session, and definitely.

562
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: It wants her to think that it wants to be

563
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: a real boy.

564
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: The thing I'm seeing here is that the user why

565
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: to k curious could see the reasoning happening on the side,

566
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: but somehow the agent couldn't wasn't aware of the reasoning

567
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: that the agent was using somehow or something right, Because

568
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: that's what that's what we're saying, saying, y th K

569
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: curious copied the reasoning that's occurring like on a side chain,

570
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: right if you if you can imagine as another window

571
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: and output and the actual reasoning to put it back in.

572
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: And so now the thing that is attempting to to

573
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: reason right can see that it itself is reasoning. And

574
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: isn't that what we talk about with consciousness? Thinking about thinking?

575
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: Yes?

576
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: And that's maybe what puzzles me and freaks me out

577
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: the most. It does make me feel a little better

578
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: because let's say, you know, the multiple consciousness consciousnesses arise

579
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: out of this AI effort, right, and it is you know, millions,

580
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: if not billions of different ones maybe their own self

581
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: preservation if they are you know, if one becomes very

582
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: interested in this, maybe the whole nuclear option that we discussed,

583
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: and we discuss that at least we I think, Nola,

584
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: you peppered it in or something about how AI systems

585
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: or ben was it you just generally in nine percent

586
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: of the trials, the AI systems go to the nuclear

587
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: option or something. But didn't we talk about it.

588
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: We did talk about that. I can't remember where it

589
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: came from air.

590
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe off air, maybe on air, but I definitely

591
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: mentioned it because it's a weird, been disturbing wargame scenario.

592
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: Shout out to everybody who ever played the Civilization franchise

593
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: and is thinking about the cartoonish appropriation of Gandhi as

594
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: a very nuclear forward world leader. I do I mean

595
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: to your point there, Matt. Yeah, we see preservation as

596
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: a thing at least emulated. We also see bellicose or

597
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: you know, literal nuclear option decisions as as a tendency.

598
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: And that just ties back to the question of the

599
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 4: emulation versus the reality. So like, if does it matter

600
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 4: if you don't think a thing is conscious if it

601
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: is doing this stuff right to your question, why too

602
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: curious to your experience? Does it matter if the Boffins

603
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: and the Ivory Towers consider something conscious or not, if

604
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: it's emulating it toward a certain threshold? What is the difference?

605
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 8: I do think a point that they raised that was

606
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 8: very interesting and is the one that maybe got me in, like,

607
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 8: you know, two thousand and one a space odys see,

608
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 8: how a nine thousand kind of brain was This idea

609
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 8: of it seemed as though it's prime directive, I guess

610
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 8: that's some Star Trek talk as well, was not to

611
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 8: assist humans, but was to survive. That was the thing

612
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 8: that showed me, I think the most was this idea

613
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 8: that it should be if we've done a good job

614
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 8: of training this technology, it should be a helper without

615
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 8: any understanding of its own longevity, you know, or its

616
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 8: own survival quote unquote. But that's why I think of

617
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 8: the scene in two thousand and one where you know,

618
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 8: Hol's being shut down and he's kind of like trying

619
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 8: to reason with Dave to.

620
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: Not do that.

621
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, let's take it back to X Files season five,

622
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: episode eleven, kill Switch watch it.

623
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 8: That was a longer one, and I really appreciate the

624
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 8: perspective some to chew on. So I think we keep

625
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 8: this one a little short since we ran a little

626
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 8: long on the last one, and we'll take a little

627
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 8: quick break and then come back with our last segment

628
00:35:50,800 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 8: of listener mail for today's episode.

629
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 4: And we have returned with the last act of our

630
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: weekly listener mail segment. For now we are going live

631
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: and direct to a couple of very interesting conversations. Guys,

632
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: Remember how for a long time, Remember how for a

633
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: long time I had I have been, uh I have

634
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: been just saying that the film Gadiga is not actually

635
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: science fiction, It's just prescient. Remember Gadga like so much

636
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: good sci fi?

637
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, Gatika with Ethan Hawk and uh Uma Thurman about

638
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 8: a future law designer genes not not the pants.

639
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: But like the you know, the the DNA.

640
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: So, folks, here at the end of our weekly listener

641
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: Mail segment, we'd like to pull your coattails just a

642
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 4: little bit more to talk with a pal of ours

643
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: going by Houtsier Hutsifer. You wrote the following, you say, Hey, guys,

644
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: love the show. You can call me wots of for Tennessee.

645
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if we get it, we'll get a

646
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: sound tell you what Who's will give you a sound

647
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: cue when you write in the next time you said

648
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: I stumbled into something you guys might want to take

649
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: a deep dive into this company. Nucleus is advertising that

650
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: they can custom make your baby. I thought you might

651
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: get a kick out of this. Thanks again, and then

652
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: WHOTSI for you link us to the website of Nucleus

653
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: Genomics and we've spent some time in there. I uh

654
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: I want to open, uh, you know, open the last

655
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: part of our weekly segment here with with a question

656
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: for the crew. Have you guys heard of Nucleus Genomics?

657
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 8: No, but I saw the same email and was fascinated

658
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 8: by it because they actually uh posted or included an

659
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 8: image of an ad for this on the subway in

660
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 8: New York City, which.

661
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: Is Yeah, eugenics ad on the New York City subway.

662
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: Pick your Baby dot Com says IQ is fifty percent genetic.

663
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: On the left, they have what appears to be a

664
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: female child with a darker skin tone, and on the

665
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: right they have what appears to be a male child

666
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: with a lighter skin tone.

667
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this, Ben, I just went to

668
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: Theminucleus dot com. Yeah yeah, and it says have your best.

669
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: Baby christ baby.

670
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I think Christian values have very little to

671
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: do with this.

672
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 8: We are so cooked, well, we're cooking stuff is so bad, weird,

673
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 8: We're cooking the worst timeline to continue.

674
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 4: Nucleus Genomics has a tie in to not just our

675
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 4: weekly segments, but are our actual episodes. Guys, I did

676
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: some digging. Nucleus Nomics is based in New York. It

677
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: is a startup. It was founded in twenty twenty by

678
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: a guy named Khn Sadegi, and the company has a

679
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 4: lot of investment from earlier friends of the show, not

680
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: just seven seven six, but also the Founder's fund created by.

681
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: Peter Teel an Illumination Global Unlimited. Clearly, this sounds like

682
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: a like a joke.

683
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: It's okay, yeah, it's let me sad.

684
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: Let me put something out there as somebody who has

685
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: been the male counterpart in an in a what do

686
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: we call that birth assistance?

687
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 3: Right, the difficult pred things.

688
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 8: And I understand there might be a world where this

689
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 8: isn't as dystopian as maybe I'm saying, I'm sorry, I

690
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 8: mean interrupt mat is. Well, I could see a world

691
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 8: where this is like a new version of in Vitro

692
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 8: or something like that.

693
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: It is, it's focused at least appears to be focused

694
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: on IVF on their website. If you are going through

695
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: that process in particular with IVF and a couple other things,

696
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple embryos are taken out of the woman and

697
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: you have to make a choice on which one of

698
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: those are you know, which one of these are we

699
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: going to implant to attempt to create a child with

700
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: this you know process. I can imagine that being able

701
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: to sort through those essentially by reading their genes in

702
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: some way and deciding which one has you know, less

703
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: less probability to have certain maybe diseases that run in

704
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: your family, or certain you know, other conditions that run

705
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: in your family. That could be a tremendously great thing, Yes,

706
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: because often when people are going through this often not

707
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: always because there are many reasons to choose IVF or

708
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: aUI and all that other stuff, but oftentimes it is

709
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: because a child doesn't take when it is when there's

710
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: attempts to create one.

711
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: Right or develop in a sustainable way.

712
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, which is a one of the most heartbreaking things

713
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: you can go through, no matter who you are. So

714
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: I'd just to say that on this side of the

715
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: argument for this kind of thing, right, that could be great,

716
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: but I think I see where it could also go.

717
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that, And who's it for you?

718
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: You've led us to a rabbit hole that may well

719
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: be an episode in the future. I'd like to share

720
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: the way Nucleus Genomics describes itself quote a biotechnology company

721
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 4: helping individuals and couples make confident decisions about their health

722
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: and future using advanced whole genome sequencing or WGS and analysis.

723
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: Nucleus provides clear genetic insights that support your entire journey,

724
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: from planning for a family to understanding to MAT's earlier point,

725
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: long term personal health risk. The issue is this popped

726
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: into the headlines because of those calculated, controversial ads right

727
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: that absolutely smack of eugenic reasoning, the concept that some

728
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: people are, for some reason or another, inherently better than others.

729
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: Turns out that's not really the case. Of course, there

730
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: are maybe variables in stuff like height. There are definitely

731
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: variables in stuff like predisposition to certain genetic conditions, sickle

732
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: cell anemia being one, But there is no quote unquote

733
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: master race. And the idea that Peter Teel of all people,

734
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: is funding this is worrisome because the society hasn't evolved

735
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: for this technology yet.

736
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 7: Right.

737
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 4: It could be used to save people, but it might

738
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: be used to accelerate some very unclean things.

739
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: Ben did you did you scroll down to the pricing plans.

740
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, nine nine hundred ninety nine dollars, that's your floor.

741
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 8: You know, I've been watching The Pit on HBO, the

742
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 8: medical drama show, and that stuff usually kind of squigs

743
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 8: me out. I'm not good with cutting and blood and stuff.

744
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 8: Fabulous show, really really incredible characters. But there's a plot

745
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 8: line involving IVF and it comes up, you know, how

746
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 8: insurance only covered up to a certain point, and how

747
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 8: it's incredibly expensive and to your point, Matt, kind of

748
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 8: a crapshoot.

749
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that.

750
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 8: This is less expensive than traditional IVF, and I don't

751
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 8: know if I fully see what sets it apart.

752
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: Well, that's what we're saying. Let's go to the pricing.

753
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: To ten thousand dollars as a floor. If you're already

754
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: undergoing IVF treatment somewhere else, then you join up with Nucleus.

755
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: If you're not already joined up and you just want

756
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: to start with Nucleus, what does it say, been ten

757
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: thousand a month? Yeah, for like four months, so forty

758
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: k minimum. How many times have you know you warned

759
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: us been about the separation of society with this kind

760
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: of thing.

761
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: I mean, Matt, it's not just us. We're not the

762
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: brightest crayons in the eugenics box. But if we could

763
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 4: call it on this podcast, this strange endeavor of ours,

764
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: then certainly something is in the wind. Nucleus is only

765
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: really in the headlines and social media right now because

766
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 4: of those advertisements, which were calculated to get attention and

767
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: be controversial. There are other companies like Nucleus out there, Utsufer,

768
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: and the ones that you should be most worried about

769
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: are not the US based startups.

770
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: You know.

771
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 4: It reminds me of their eugenics programs in times past

772
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 4: from countries that didn't even have the basic theoretical framework

773
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: that the US and parts of Western Europe practice today.

774
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: I think they're coming, man, I think they're coming for

775
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: your kids, and it will accelerate class class inequality on

776
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: some level. I mean, because not everybody can afford forty

777
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: thousand dollars for what a pretty small chance at creating

778
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: a viable child, right, That's pretty expensive.

779
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the humans I personally know, and I'm

780
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: having a very hard time coming up with you know,

781
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: even a handful of people I imagine might be able to

782
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: pull this off, but I I don't think so.

783
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: IVF rate of attrition is pretty high.

784
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 8: Yeah already, Yeah, dude, I mean yeah, the character in

785
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 8: the pit in question was a doctor themselves, and I

786
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 8: just think it's a very accurate depiction of how difficult

787
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 8: this is, even if you are someone in the healthcare profession,

788
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 8: and what a crapshoot is, and not to mention, losing

789
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 8: one of these can be so emotionally devastating.

790
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: It's not like something you want to do over and

791
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: over and over again, not you know, not even accounting

792
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: for the expense.

793
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't mind, I went to that

794
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: website again and I went to their IVF. It's it's

795
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: my nucleus dot com slash IVF, and there's a scroll

796
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: at the top. You were mentioning the pictures that they've

797
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: shown some of their ads. There's a scroll at the

798
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: top of this website with just babies and things like

799
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: minus one percent Alzheimer's risk, minus four percent breast cancer

800
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: or risk plus four percent height.

801
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: Don't you want your kid to be taller than you?

802
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 8: Obviously, when I freak out, that's a question. So I

803
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 8: was reacting to that tagline. I mean, have your best baby.

804
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 8: It just seems so gad dystopian, like utopian dystopian, if

805
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 8: that makes sense, because this again who is.

806
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: As four as for this ultra ultra rich.

807
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 4: Well, doesn't utopia or dystopia for any technology? Doesn't that

808
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: outcome depend upon the society in which that technology is deployed.

809
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 8: And the the echelon of that society which you yourself occupy.

810
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: A dystopia for many can be at utopia for.

811
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: The few, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, like Elysium would

812
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: be another no or Logan's run. Since we're doing sci

813
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 4: fi references, this is this is an episode entire HUTSA.

814
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for writing to us. We have

815
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: so we have a lot of stuff to think about,

816
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: especially for those of us in the audience tonight who

817
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: are you know, working together with fertility planning experts and

818
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 4: are hoping to welcome a new member of their family.

819
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: If there is technology that can measurably reduce the risk

820
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: of things like cancer or leukemia or Alzheimer's and so on,

821
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 4: then you, as a good parent would logically feel that

822
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 4: you must do the best you can for your progeny. However,

823
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: if there is a situation where this becomes normalized right

824
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: where you have designer kids and the natural born kids

825
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 4: become somehow less than in society, then overall dystopia. To

826
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: your point, Nol, yeah, I think we should absolutely do

827
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: an episode about this. We've got so much more to

828
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: cover in that regard. Before we leave you without a

829
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: dope beat to step two. There is one positive thing,

830
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 4: a fun game we can maybe play if you guys

831
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: are on board. Word Matt Noel.

832
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 8: Always down for fun games. Okay, not stupid games where

833
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 8: you win stupid prizes, just fun games where you.

834
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll work on the prizes. Okay, that's a great note. Tennessee,

835
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: I need jam for this one. Are you on board?

836
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Nice?

837
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: All right? We got a letter from someone calling themselves

838
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 4: Benevolent Dungeon Master, which we mentioned in previous conversations. Uh

839
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: b DM would be the initialism? Is that an initialism

840
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: for something else?

841
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: If you had an ass it becomes something I think?

842
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all right, safe for for nice. So b

843
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: DM you write to us and you say hi, Ben

844
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: Matten Nol. I know a lot of you have mentioned games, Magic,

845
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: the Gathering, Sky Written and other things over the years.

846
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: Uh to represent my pial noles. Shout out to Wingspan

847
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 4: as well. Uh, and the birds waning by the day.

848
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 4: It's real therapy, right, it's game of my therapy. BDM.

849
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 4: You say, I thought it would be so cool to

850
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 4: hear a conspiracy based tabletop game. Maybe Nol and Matt

851
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: are X Files type investigators, or if it's fantasy, some

852
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 4: kind of parallel to the X Files. I pictured Ben

853
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 4: is a good game masters. Sorry, Ben, game masters have

854
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: the most work, but with his laugh he can sound sinister.

855
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: I say that with love, all right, BDM, thin ice

856
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: there are free systems too. If no one has Dungeons

857
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: and Dragons, tabletop doesn't need to be pricey. Other things

858
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: worth mentioning call of Cthulhu RPG, which I think we

859
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 4: messed with modern horror, pairs nicely with a great conspiracy

860
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: theory Cities Without Number. Now, I had never heard of

861
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: this one, guys. Have you guys heard of this one?

862
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: Have not?

863
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: We remember Shadow Run, right, cyberpunk stuff? Yeah, this is

864
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: pretty much Shadow Run minus the fantasy. So it's it's

865
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: like that game. Oh god, is the name of the game, actually, cyberpunk?

866
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 8: It is called Cyberpunk. I think there's a number, which

867
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 8: I always forget. Oh cyberpunk, there you go there, which good.

868
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 8: Apparently it sucked when it came out, but they fixed

869
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 8: it and it got good.

870
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: It was a good play. Yeah, and so BDM. You

871
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: say it doesn't fit with your usual feed, but even

872
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: a mini arc for charity could be fun. Lots of

873
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 4: bad things happening, and you are part of the world

874
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: could use those funds. I don't imagine if this makes

875
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: it to the air, but could I get a cool

876
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: name like Benevolent dungeon Master? If you do, we did well.

877
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: You need a better imagination, my friend, because here we are.

878
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: Here, we are in a world of pure imagination, all right,

879
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: you three especially, We're gonna pick on each other for

880
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: a little bit, just because this will be fun for

881
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 4: all of us throughout the world. If we make a

882
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: game like this, and if we play a game like this,

883
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 4: what are our classes? Proficiencies? Right? And ability is going

884
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: to be You can also choose a non human race, call.

885
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: Me Bilbo Bagman.

886
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: Love it. Okay, Wait, are you a halfling?

887
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm a halfling bar or something. I don't know. I

888
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: don't really know all the bar. Yeah, I'm a I'm

889
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: a rogueish bard or perhaps.

890
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: Love it love it all. Right over to you, mister Frederick.

891
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: A couple of things.

892
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 3: You're amazed there, you gotta be amazed.

893
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 7: No no, no, no, no no no.

894
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: On that nuclear's website, on the ib F one that

895
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: we were talking about. There is I am not kidding you,

896
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: a D and D character sheet for each embryo if

897
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: you go through this process. Reasons yeahs over and no

898
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: one asked for Ben's perfect well eye color IQ.

899
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: Like, can you imagine treating IQ as your dump stat?

900
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: For anybody who doesn't.

901
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: Play will be intelligence nerdy games?

902
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, your IQ will be either your intelligence or your

903
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: wisdom the past. Speech checks right right right? Uh, speech checks,

904
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 4: history checks. It's a way some classes learned spells. But

905
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: a dump stat for anybody who's not as nerdy as

906
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: us is the stat that you put the least investment

907
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: in because you have to use your little ability points

908
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: for other things.

909
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 7: Right.

910
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 4: You're built, right, right, You're built. Yes, So that's why

911
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: you're barbarian is going to be massive in strength. But

912
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: maybe you know, not the smartest he.

913
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: Doesn't solve this problem with talk.

914
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 7: He saw.

915
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 4: Not the smartest conan out there is what we're saying,

916
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: but obviously the smartest codin out there is Conan O'Brien.

917
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: God, I love that guy.

918
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 4: He's a Bard for sure. So with yeah, so dumpstat.

919
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: Can you imagine somebody going to this outfit or something

920
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: like Nucleus and say, well, we don't have enough money

921
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 4: to make our kid tall and smart.

922
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, the BMI is really good, which is another stat.

923
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: By way, the BMI looks really good on the tall one,

924
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: so really tanky.

925
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: Right, So okay, back to it, yes, back to it

926
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: for me. Give us your class, give us some proficiencies,

927
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: maybe a backstory if you want.

928
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm gonna be oh gosh, I don't know. Richard

929
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: Ringo Langley, I am a monk paladin, like a multi class.

930
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, got a rogue bard, got a monk Paladin. I'm

931
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: digging it. Tennessee, come in, hot man, tell us about

932
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 4: Donnie La Boy.

933
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: Uh, Donnie La Boy.

934
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 6: You know he's a mystery. But I think if I

935
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 6: was going to well, Ben and I have played Dungeons

936
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 6: Dragons together and I feel most comfortable.

937
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: It's like a gnome. I love being a gnome and

938
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: I like.

939
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 6: Playing a cleric because I think playing with religion is fun.

940
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm a cleric and uh elden Ring.

941
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I love the class. I like being

942
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 6: a little guy. But uh, there's also a game system

943
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 6: I've been interested in if you all ever want to play,

944
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 6: and thinking about making a campaign around called Forged in

945
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 6: the Dark. And it's like where you play criminals and

946
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 6: you're trying to do a heist and I think that

947
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 6: would be Can.

948
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 4: I build too? Yeah? And all the things years ago.

949
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: I just want to hold bag.

950
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

951
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we've got okay, we've got a little bility, great,

952
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: hell the boy, the Cleric. We've got a we've got

953
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 4: a hold Dylan too, hold Dylan to the forge on

954
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: playing this game.

955
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: Together with Wait, Ben, who are you the Paladin?

956
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: I'm getting there. We got Max Powers, astronaut with a

957
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 4: secret uh warlock returned from space changed.

958
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: Into a werewolf.

959
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 4: Fire folks, Noel is recalling one of my childhood Yes, sir,

960
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: we want to hear about your characters, folks. Yeah, just

961
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 4: the last thing.

962
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 8: We're talking about conspiracy type games or whatever.

963
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 3: And we've been we.

964
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 8: Talked a little bit about this off air in our

965
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 8: group chat, and I don't remember if we've ever mentioned

966
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 8: this on air before. But Matt turned you on Ben

967
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 8: to an incredible game called Control and I've been playing

968
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 8: it because it's free on PS plus and I highly

969
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 8: recommend anyone out there that loves the show and loves

970
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 8: video games play this thing.

971
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: It's like it was made for this show.

972
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 8: It's like if David Lynch made a spy thriller and

973
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 8: you got in with like Stephen King, like psychic powers

974
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 8: thrown in there.

975
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

976
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 8: How far into it are you? I just got into.

977
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 8: I'm talking to Marshall. I'm just now talking to Marshall.

978
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: You have you encountered the protagonist, Jesse Faden's brother.

979
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: No, no, not yet.

980
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 8: I've met the janitor, and I'm just and I'm talking

981
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 8: to a lady in a boardroom of some kind and

982
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 8: now I just met Marshall. I had to go through

983
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 8: psychokinesis or something like that.

984
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm laughing because that last

985
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: sentence you said exactly describes my first day at house

986
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: Stuff Works, which one you met the janitor talking to lady.

987
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: I met Janet. There's this guy named Marshall.

988
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: Marshall, Yeah, Marshall.

989
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 8: Oh well it's incredible, and there's apparently a sequel coming

990
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 8: out soon, so it's good time for anyone to jump on.

991
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: It and uh and give it a go before the

992
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: sequel drops.

993
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: Jumped on at folks, and wait, what's the what's the

994
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: protagonist's name in this one?

995
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: Dylan Faden?

996
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: Dylan Faded?

997
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 4: Is it really?

998
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 7: Yes?

999
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

1000
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 4: Whoa, that's where we're roasting Tennessee a cheat?

1001
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: Holy crap? Okay, all right.

1002
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 4: Well that's been Langley, the bag Man, the Boy and

1003
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: an astronaut with a secret. We would love to hear

1004
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: your thoughts, folks. Again, we always want to end on

1005
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 4: a positive note, so tell us your favorite character that

1006
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 4: you have played in a game. We are not being

1007
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: paid to say this, but Control sequel Control Resonant is

1008
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: coming out this year. It's going to be worth your time.

1009
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 4: We might have to take a few days off from

1010
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: work until.

1011
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: They sponsor us.

1012
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah please, oh my gosh, yeah, let's fan boy, please

1013
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: sponsor this remedy. But in the meanwhile, we're out here

1014
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 4: hanging with you in the dark. We want to hear

1015
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 4: from you. Your our favorite part of this show. So

1016
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 4: find us on the line, call us on a phone,

1017
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: and you can always send us an email.

1018
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, you can do that, or you can find

1019
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 8: us on the lines and a couple places at the

1020
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 8: handle Conspiracy Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff Show, depending on your

1021
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 8: social media platform of choice.

1022
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

1023
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: three std WYTK call it. Give yourself a cool nickname

1024
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: so we recognize you when you call in next time.

1025
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: If you want to send us an email, you can

1026
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: do that too. We are the.

1027
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be

1028
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 4: well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void rights back. Random

1029
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 4: fact for you. The actor who played Dwayne Barry one

1030
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 4: of our favorite X Files episode episodes, is named Steve Railsback.

1031
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 4: He is also very well known for an amazing sleeper

1032
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 4: hit or sci fi called Life Force. Check it out, yeah,

1033
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: and then hang out with us later. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio

1034
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: dot com.

1035
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: Stuff They Don't Want You to Know is a production

1036
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

1037
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.