WEBVTT - Ep. 122: Live from Denver 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is an eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.520 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening. Un don't make 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:27.440 you eat podcast. You can't predict anything, all right, everyone, 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:35.240 thanks for coming out. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna break 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.919 with protocol a little bit and do intros um. Thank you, 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.279 thank you, thanks, Yeah, honest, the laughing eagle down man. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:52.880 Uh Cody Louhan, who describes himself earlier as having come 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.160 from let me get this right, come from a ranching 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:03.240 and Olympic ski jumping family. Uh, this guy could do 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.240 what you mind? This guy competition but shure, sure, this guy. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.319 You can't see it. He has a hat, he has 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:18.039 a farmer's tan on his head. He has the pale 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:27.280 lines of his hat stitching wedding. Ryan Callahan from all 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.400 the way, all the way from First Light World headquarters 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.440 in catch Him, Idaho, and then Colorado's own Brodie Henderson 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:44.160 who's on the mediator crew. Brody's a semi retired fly 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.600 fishing guide. Yeah that's good way putting, good way of 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.400 putting it. But yeah, man, thanks for coming out. And 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.080 I come through uh Denver a fair bit. Last time 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.880 I came through here, I had one of you guys, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.480 big giant held your box, which I took back home 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.360 with me. Um earlier though another time I went to 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.720 has anyone who ever been to the lynden Meyer the 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:09.320 Lindenmeyer site, you know about this? Okay? So like if 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.360 you go way back in time, so like the first 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.920 culture of American hunters that that emerge as like a 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.040 distinctly American culture was this place called this group called 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.960 the Clovis Hunters, and they were ice age hunters, so 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.480 they hunted mammoths and short faced bears, and they were 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.600 widely dispersed, and they developed this very distinctive projectile point 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.919 called the Clovis Point. It's regarded as a diagnostic projectile 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.920 point where if you find one and look at it, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.920 you're like, that is thirteen thousand plus years old, and 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.480 that's who made that thing, was the Clovis. Now, around 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.760 the time when Clovis came is debated about how this happened. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.400 But all that mega fauno, the mammoths, Masodon, short faced bears, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.680 you know, nine genera of large mammals all vanished kind 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.680 of contemporanis with the arrival of cloth of Us and 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.720 out of this came all these different cultures, and the 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.080 culture that emerged here where we are now was this 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.480 culture called the Fulsome culture, and so most of the 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.920 ice age stuff was all gone, and Fulsome was a 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.480 group of slightly post ice age hunters from around twelve 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.120 thousand years ago who basically hunted the same stuff we 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.639 hunt today because all that crazy stuff was gone. Lynden 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.120 Meyer is the second most famous Fulsome site. The most 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.760 famous Folsom site is in northeast New Mexico, and it's 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.480 called the Folsome site, and you're Folsom, New Mexico. And 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.520 that's where Folsom was identified. And they had driven uh 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.200 thirteen bison Antiquoius up into a dead end canyon and 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.840 killed him with adeladdles and butchered them all on site, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.480 and it was a temporary encampment. Was crazy about lynden Meyer. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.640 Lynden Meyer, just north here is the oldest known place 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.760 that we have which would have been what we now 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.880 think of as a ron avou of hunters. It seems 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:08.160 as though at times, for some unknown reason, hundreds of 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.040 falsome hunters would show up at the linden Meyer site, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.360 so many that their their projectile points kind of distinctive 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.640 as regarded as the most difficult projectile point to make, 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.760 because they would knock a channel out of each face 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.280 of their projectile point, and they would have they would 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.279 have that thing. So you've got a spearhead, a foreshaft, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.080 and there's even a camel bone for foreshaft that came 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.960 out of linnen Meyer. So they were maybe dabbling with 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.120 some stuff that's now extinct, but they would deal these 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.400 like little fluted points and they'd have them in a thing. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.960 And that flute, that channel that they would knock out 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.280 is distinctive of a falsome point, and that the Lindenmeyer 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:50.240 site they have excavated one thousand channels, so that many 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.400 guys making these very specialized points there when they were there. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:59.800 They ate jack rabbit, cotton tail rabbit, bison, they ate venison. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.680 Oftentimes they'll be eating turtle and they eat turtle at 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.720 linden Meyer. So great generalist hunters and people often wonder like, well, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.080 how could it have been that these people who lived 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.560 at such low population densities, how could they have all 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.960 found each other? And why did they come together? And 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.040 it's funny because they had they brought to Lindenmeyer site. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.240 They had red ochre. They came out of northern Wyoming, 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.160 and they had toolstone. They came out of the Texas Panhandle. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.760 In it's regarded that the folsome hunter has lived at 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.800 such low densities. It doesn't make sense that they did 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.720 hand to hand trading. There probably wasn't enough them to 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.200 have trade channels. It's thought that because they had great 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.440 fidelity to stone sources, they seem to be more associated 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.920 with quarries where they would get the very particular type 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.440 of rocks that they like to use to make projectile points. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.640 They had more fidelity to the stone source than they 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.160 did to their hunting grounds. But they liked linden Meyer 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.280 maybe because you're kind of in the mountains, you're kind 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.000 of on the plains. You have the foothills, there's a 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.239 lot of stuff to hunt, and there's this big, multi 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.640 story geologic feature there that's like a red and white 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.320 bands of rock, and you can see this thing from 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:15.200 eighteen miles away. There's a theory that you could say 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.840 to a dude down in the Texas Panhandle and ice 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.840 Age America, just walk up the edge of the mountains 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.680 and when you see right that's where we'll meet in 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.320 five years. And somehow it would work out that these 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.960 mass accumulations of folsom hunters would gather at the linden 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.039 Meyer site. So I bring that up only because, um, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.440 here you have their generalist hunters. They eat a wide 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.760 array of things that people might now regard as a 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.520 little unusual, and they would gather under this large structure. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.960 And here we all are again to night twelve thousand seven, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.640 dred years later, gathered in the Oriental Theater of Denver. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:05.560 So welcome. Uh, There's there's a couple of housekeeping issues 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.240 we have to take care of. Uh. Is a guy 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:16.360 named Dan and his wife Ashley and his daughter's scout 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:25.600 want to wish him a happy Father's Day? So who's that? Callian? 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.680 There's a company I gotta finish up? Uh? Callahan just 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.080 got it. Was telling about a chicker bite on his scroll. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:43.280 But I told you that happens to your confidence. Uh. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:47.280 We've talked many times about cleaning morrell mushrooms. Now, Brody, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.480 can I tell me this guy was roughly where you live? 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.080 Tell where you live? Just south of Steamboat Stagecoach. Has 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:58.080 anyone here? Has anyone here found a Morrell within Let's say, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:07:59.880 what's the fair radius that you would say there are 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.920 has anyone sawnd a Morrell within fifty miles of Brody's house? 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:13.160 Really that? Uh? Do you guys find Morrells in Colorado? 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.960 Eastern Colorado, but not up in the mountains, not in 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.720 the mountain point being Callahan. We've talked at length about 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.480 cleaning Morrell's. A chef wants you to know that he 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.800 washes them, does wash them to get all the bugs 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.240 and dirt off, dries them in a salad spinner A 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.160 bunch of times, leaves the water that falls out of 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.720 the salad spinner in the bottom of the salad spinner, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.480 places it in this fridge for two days. It somehow 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.240 holds enough humidity and the fridge is climate is such 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.960 that when you pull the Morrell out of that salad spinner, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.360 it is indistinguishable from when you picked it out of 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:58.400 the dirt. I just want you to know that another 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.320 guy wants to know this. He's trying to figure out 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.320 when he dies. Go ahead, and he would tell this 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.800 chef that he is losing mushroom. He's beating that mushroom 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.679 up fire too much. Okay, that means that now this 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:19.199 Morrell conversation will have to continue into future. I'm trying. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.000 I'm trying to take care of a couple of things 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.760 just need to be put to rest. House clean, the housekeeping, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.839 keep it going. Uh. The guy wanted to know this. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.400 We had talked a lot about. I talked about what 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.240 I want to happen to my carcass when I die. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.520 He has it that he wants to be cremated, but 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.600 then his wife is supposed to take the ash and 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:45.640 have it made into clay pigeons and then hold a 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.319 clay pigeon shoot where his friends come and shoot him 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:59.000 out of the sky. So he goes on to say, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.360 I'm not even sure if there's a company that does that. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.040 Maybe after first flight cal you could get into that business. Yeah, 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.719 always thinking. Uh, another question, and this is pertinent for 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:20.200 something else. Why blouch? Where did blouch come from? J honest? 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.840 Can you give background on blouch? It's just how you 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:30.160 say boom or bang in Latvian and Latvian I've been 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.080 when I learned from Janice's father Joannice, all Lavians are 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:39.880 named honest, Yeah, they're true, like janice Is father Johannest. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.040 When I heard the word blouch from whom it became 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.920 my favorite word, and everyone assumed that it's b l 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:51.360 o u c h and and Yanic's clarified, that's not it. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:57.360 It's b l o u k S with a a 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.080 u k s a u a s with a blank. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.440 So if you go and look, we're we're we have 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.679 our special blouch t shirts Meteor Podcast blout shirts. It 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:15.240 is not misspelled. It's spelled the right way. Also you'll 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.720 find our posters. And there's a story about the poster. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.880 One day, I was talking about if I was a painter, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.760 what I would paint. Is a scene that was described 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.800 to me by our friend Brandon Butler, which is he 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.640 was watching a turkey gobble on a cold morning and 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.160 he described how in that turkey would rip out a gobble, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.000 you would see steam come out of his beak. And 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.959 I was so moved by that I said that if 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.760 I was a painter, I would make that painting. And 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:45.199 so we had a fan make a special turkey steam 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.600 breathing gobble turkey And that is the story behind that 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:56.640 special commemorative me Eater Podcast steam Breathing Turkey poster. So 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:06.160 that is explained. Now moving on in another thing. Let 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.280 me see, I want to make sure this is our 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.400 last squirrel keeping are let up, this is the last 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.120 girl keeping, last piece of housekeeping, and this is another 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:14.920 thing we really need to put the rest. A long 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:21.400 time ago, I argued that when someone says like things 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:25.839 got off of Western, right, which I've never heard. I 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.480 grew up in Michigan. But if you were like, things 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:32.320 got awful Western there, and I said, yeah, like squirrely, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.800 and people wrote in a guy rolling, He's like no, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:41.600 because Western there is an implied physical danger in Western 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.520 that is absent from squirrely. So I did a long 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:51.240 correction where I said, I stand corrected, Um, squirrely is 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.680 like He used example, like Jana stepped on an arrow, 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.480 the arrow now shoots squirrely. Okay uh, he used example 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.200 cal hand hit on a guy's girlfriend in a bar. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.880 Things got Western. But he but this guy writes and 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.640 he says the correction needs to be corrected. He's from 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:20.239 South Florida. He says, in the motor sports world, squirrely 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.360 damn sure has a sense of physical danger involved. When 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.800 you're going down the road and your bike gets squirrely, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.040 watch out, it's not good. And he also says that 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.400 he introduced me to a term which is squid, which 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:39.160 is a squirrely kid. And another guy wrote in to 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.200 wind up saying that he says, in addition to Western 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.079 and squirrely, you need to be aware of two terms 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:51.000 from the Northeast, which is snotty and sporty. He goes 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.720 on to explay he's a he's a turn works largely 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.480 in the legal cannabis market right now, so he's very busy, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.199 and he says that if c's pick up to a 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.080 level where it's just you're uncomfortable, but it's not perilous, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.640 one would describe that as being a bit snotty. If 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.839 things pick up from there and you really need to 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.360 be paying attention, things have now gotten sporty. He also 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:23.360 uses sporty when describing heated professional discussions. That's the housekeeping portion. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.440 So thank you. Baron with us now to get into 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:32.200 some of the meat here, um trying to get how 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:37.240 best to bring this up. There's something we need to resolve. Okay, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.720 I'm gonna do this. The five people present up here 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.040 on stage to start off, We're gonna handle like this. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:50.640 Is there a grizzly bear in Colorado right now. Okay, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:15:02.840 if if you believe, yes, raise your hand. Oh all right, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.240 there's a there's a little background to this. We've we've 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.560 been quibbling or getting snotty or getting western over the 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.160 past couple of days. Um, I will say, I don't 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.600 know if there's a grizz in Colorado here today, but 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.160 I can say unequivocally, Um, some of you know my 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.240 background in the in the woods and otherwise, but unequivocally, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:29.280 I witnessed a young male bore grizzly in northern Colorado 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.800 last year, just a few miles south of the Wyoming border, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.560 out in some stage brush. And uh, that's I stand, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.440 That's where I stand, And that's fantastic. Yeah. So it's 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.760 kind of like, can we go into a little background. Yeah, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.560 let's go a little background. But let's go, let's go 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.520 deep dive. Let's do it. Okay, deep dive. Let me 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.200 consult my stuff here, because I want to give you guys, 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:56.200 like a little background on the issue. Um. Well, I 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.080 should point out I usually like to point out when 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.000 it was a good transition. You remember earlier talking about 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:08.320 how the fulsome guys brought Ochre down from Wyoming. Huh, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.360 I remember that vaguely grizzlies coming down from Wyoming like 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:22.080 that transition. So where are you leading? This has the 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.920 ochre broder You're saying yes, Say like, what do you 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.000 all famous grizzly bears from the old days? Sharon Common 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.600 Old Old f from was the last bear in Utah? 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.800 You know, New Mexico had an old grizzly of some 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:45.880 name Old Mose, Old Most, Old Silver, now Old Mose. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.600 I want to talk about Old Mose a little bit 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.360 because Brady Brodio, we're talking about Old Mose recently, who 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:58.680 met his end in four uh. Old Mose was a bear. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.480 His name comes from the fat that he mosied around. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.000 And you'll find when you're looking at like old famous 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.120 bear stories like the Last Grizzly here in the Last 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:12.400 Grizzly there they sharing common extraordinarily long life span where 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.240 Old Most seems to have terrified people for forty years. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.760 And to account for the fact that he was terrifying 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.960 people across the entirety of the state, the same rascally 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.840 bear that refused to be caught, he someone had to 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.359 account for, like how he could be everywhere all at once, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.120 So he naturally became Old Mose as in the Mosying 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.359 around Bear and His Old Moses legend Star is a 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.560 guy named Jason Jacob Radcliffe who's out hunting deer and elk, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:44.800 gets mauled by a bear in eighteen three. His buddies 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.760 find him. He's dying in the woods. They load him 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.600 on a horse, bring him down to a ranch, and 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.800 he expires with probably my favorite dying words of all time, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:18:00.440 which is boys, don't hunt that bear. And this was 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:06.440 down in the Arkansas River training. Okay, So people then 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.000 don't take his advice and they just start hunting that bear, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.240 and every bear that anyone goes near it turns out 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.879 to be Old Mose. And there's a guy where at 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.600 a point there's a skeleton turns up and there's a skeleton, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.000 some boots, some spurs, and a car bean and the 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.320 bones have been gnawed on, and that death is abscribed 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.439 to Old most of course Bention. In the spring of 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.159 n four, a couple of guys, so this is a 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.159 year after, like this is the year after the Right 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.920 Brothers had their first sustained flight and the heavier than 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.679 air vehicle to set it in time and four, a 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.840 guy named Wharton Pig and James Anthony gets some hounds 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.199 and they get after old mos and they catch it 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.720 and it it turns into a very squirrely, very Western shootout. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.760 Anthony later describes hitting the old moles behind the shoulder, 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.080 and he used the terms, I still don't know what 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.480 it means. What's my new favorite term. He hits it 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.760 in the shoulder, and the bullet lodged up against on 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.320 the other side a place that he describes as the 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:16.399 sticking place, which like the shoulder blade, maybe that muscle 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.320 behind the shore, like a spot. Do what you think 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.640 it wouldn't that be like like if you're gonna knife 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.560 a hog or you know what I mean, the sticking place, 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.800 that's the place where you stick that pig. That's gotta 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:35.679 be right here. Yeah, yeah, I thought he meant that 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.480 there's like a spot that he finds that his bullets 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:44.040 wind up in without exiting the sticking place, but he 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:49.720 means like the entry point place would be a great 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:57.960 name for a bar. Actually, yeah, that definitely trumps um 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.840 No West bott My brother wanted to name one the 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:08.800 repeat offender um but uh yeah, and the sticking place 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.640 that's gotta be The sticking place means so so dies 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.119 old Mos and kind of like so dies a legend 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.960 and then it winds up being that the last bear vanishes. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.800 Let me just get make sure I'm getting my facts straight. Here, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.159 the last bear in Colorado up unto a point, the 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.800 last bear was what years everybody the last one when 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:34.679 they think they killed the last one was the government. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.520 So that was like a known thing where a government 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:43.320 trapper goes out and on contract kills one stand Juan 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.720 where they were known to be like the last holdout 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.440 a bear of grizzlies in Colorado. And then somehow weirdly 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.159 and this is where this is where Cody, this is 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.239 where like this is the thing that starts to add up. 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.000 What this is where it starts to add up where 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:07.520 it gets squirrel because so last grizzlies gone. But in 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:16.040 nineteen seventy nine, long comes Ed Wiseman. Who can you 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.480 tell the ball of Ed Wiseman. He's walking down a 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.720 trail again the sand Juan in the San juans Alu. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.800 Do basic, man, what's seventy twenty seven years after the 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:34.760 last Grizzli has been killed, here's Ed. He's archery hunting apparently, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.520 And I believe what's the wilderness area. Now I don't 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.399 think it was. Then it may have been, but um, 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.919 the story is obviously convoluted, as these kind of things go. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:50.040 But um, Supposedly he gets jumped by a grizzly and 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.840 manages too And this is like before archery hunters were 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:59.640 commonly using compound bow. So he's hunting with a he's 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.320 hunting the rieker bow wood arrows, gets jumped by angry 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:09.040 grizzly and uh, manages to kill it by stabbing it 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.760 with the arrow and in the heart, like I mean 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:20.000 like place place, and uh, you know, they investigate the 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.639 whole thing because some people later claimed that he shot 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.439 the bear. His hunting partners claimed that, yeah, his hunting 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.639 partners some and I don't this is just internet lord, 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.280 But like some of his hunter partners later said no, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.879 no, no no, no, he got onto it in the meadow, 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.919 put a stock on and narrowed it right. But he 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.439 passed a lie detector tests when they passed, and no 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:47.560 one contested, Like, there's no one that contested the legitimacy 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.080 of the place. It was confirmed by I believe confirmed 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.960 by by biologists as at grizzly, and they went and 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.520 searched the whole state after that. I was five years old. Yeah, 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.600 and they launched a very thing to add in about 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:05.680 this bear ship. It was so it was old, arthritic, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:11.119 its claws and teeth were war down. But but it 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:15.760 had at some point it's life bore young, right, so 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:20.640 it had been a reproductively viable bear. Where we sit 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:25.199 right now, the closest grizzlies are two miles away, right, 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.399 probably over two hundred from here, the southern end of 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.240 the wind River Range. So here you have a twenty 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.840 five year absence. Is that what that math comes out to? 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:39.280 A seven year absence from from the last bear? No, no, no, 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:44.600 I'm saying that first absence and then there's one bamn miraculous. Now, 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.000 like some some writers get involved in this, right like 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.399 Rick Bass did a did a book about it, and 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:55.440 David Peterson did a book about the search. But no 0:23:55.480 --> 0:24:01.840 one's ever then turned up proof. Now there's a ton here. 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.199 But I just want to throw this out real quick. Uh. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:10.600 A bowl hunter from Australia named Adam Greentree saw one 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:15.040 last year. He's in a tough spot though not being Americans, 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:19.200 in a tough spot because like if I was in Australia, Okay. 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.880 Let's say I go to Australia and I'm like, oh, hey, 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:29.199 by the way, the wombats aren't distributed. How you guys 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.720 understand wombats to be distributed? You can imagine the degree 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.200 to which right the resistance I'm gonna get. So he's like, 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.280 it's like a it's a tough stance to take as 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:45.199 someone who can't represent lifelong exposure to to grizzlies and 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.879 black bears, um walking through the single little more so 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:57.560 that an exhaustive search, the consensus, the scholarly academic consensus 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:08.360 is no. But people routinely come forward, and oftentimes credible 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:13.920 people come forward, and you're like, I saw one, right, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:21.720 absolutely incredible. I have the cross he's got, he's got 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.280 a sunburned like, he's got a farmer's stand on the 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:28.320 top of his head. The guy, the guy spends time 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.480 out in the woods. Now you get into like, why 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.280 does this matter? And I think that so give your 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:39.040 stance on why it matters? How do you do? How 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.160 down far down the rabbit hole do we want to go? Um? 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.160 I think I think it matters from a few standpoints. 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.399 I mean, I think people have the literally just a 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.760 basic right to know, you know, if these animals are here, 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.240 I think there is a potential safety issue going forward. Um. 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.920 I don't think there's many of these bears, but you know, 0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.880 we call it kind in my world, the Sagebrush Telegram, 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.439 which is a lot of the you know, communications between 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.200 ranchers and people who live in rural communities, and so, 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:11.040 you know, conspiracy theories run rampant no matter where you are, 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.800 especially when it comes to Apex predators, wolves, wolverines and 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.280 now grizzlies apparently and so um anywhere where where I 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.040 thought I saw where I saw this bear is um. 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.520 Come to find out three other families had apparently seen 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.680 the same animal within like a five or six mile 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.840 radius within a two week span of when I saw it. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.080 So I think people have we need to know if 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.439 these animals are actually coming down through here, especially with 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.960 what's going on with now that the state is finally 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.560 admitted that we have an established wolf population here in College, 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.360 which was used to be only Cook said that. So 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.120 they haven't admitted that there's an established wolf population, they've 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.520 admitted that there's wolves traveling into the state. Know, I 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.359 believe there was, um because we had some of the 0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:00.119 wolf meetings. I'm also from old Steamboat Springs, UM. We 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.040 had for the wolf meetings, there was a statement, and 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.960 perhaps I'm wrong, but I do believe that it said 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.560 that it was an established wolf Colorlation Parks and Wildlife 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.359 guy that we talked to today. So the wolves are 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.600 transient only, but a bunch of them, but we see 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.840 them there. It's a lot of them. So I think, 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.600