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Speaker 1: you eat podcast. You can't predict anything, all right, everyone,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming out. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna break

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Speaker 1: Uh Cody Louhan, who describes himself earlier as having come

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Speaker 1: the way, all the way from First Light World headquarters

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Speaker 1: in catch Him, Idaho, and then Colorado's own Brodie Henderson

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Speaker 1: fishing guide. Yeah that's good way putting, good way of

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Speaker 1: I come through uh Denver a fair bit. Last time

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Speaker 1: Meyer is the second most famous Fulsome site. The most

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Speaker 1: So welcome. Uh, There's there's a couple of housekeeping issues

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Speaker 1: South Florida. He says, in the motor sports world, squirrely

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Speaker 1: of really big black bears going their graves, and so

423
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: I like to think that I've been around a lot

424
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: of grizzlies in my guiding days in Alaska. So I

425
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: like to think I'm a somewhat decent credible witness when

426
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: I see these things. And then when I see a picture,

427
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: and when Buddy shows me a picture of a bit bear,

428
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: that you show me that picture yesterday pictures. But here's

429
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the thing, I didn't take the picture right and I

430
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: can show use my phone right now, and I be like,

431
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: look at alose Din. We had giant Lincoln in Colorado.

432
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: What do we have. We're on stage coach yesterday. I've

433
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: gotten this picture. But and and that's the you know,

434
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: that's the tough thing about saying that you saw an

435
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: animal like that in a state where they don't exist,

436
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: you walk out on that limb and go on a

437
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: live podcast and talk about it. So I've always sympathized

438
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: with those guys, because oftentimes those guys are not being right.

439
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: How many people said, how many people try to explain

440
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: away every mountain lion in the eastern US as an

441
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: escape pet. We're soon you have what must be like

442
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: this very thriving industry of mountain lion owners that no

443
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: one really knew about, who are habitually cutting loose their pets,

444
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: drop off the park man and after a while people

445
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: had to come to terms with it doesn't make sense,

446
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: but some number of these things must be packing up

447
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: camp in the Black Hills of South Dakota and deciding

448
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: to go many hundreds of miles relatively undetected. So sure, man,

449
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and and I want to clarify, like my perspective on it.

450
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: I like I want to like sort of like nuance

451
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: out my position on it. I think that I take

452
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: see it's so complicated, it's inexpressible by the English language.

453
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: If someone right now said, hey, do you hear the

454
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: news um, a car hit a grizzly in Colorado, I

455
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a teensy bit surprised because from one

456
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: of those things to travel two miles, I don't want

457
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: them can turn up in Colorado wouldn't surprise me in

458
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the least. What I don't like, though, is the idea

459
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: that there's that that there's this known breeding population that

460
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: vested into that there's people with vested in rest and

461
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: concealing the idea of this thing that it's like it's

462
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: meant to be kept secret because in this day and age,

463
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: like secrets don't get kept well. When they were down

464
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: to having they were down to having only a handful

465
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: of eat, like the Florida cougar, they were down to

466
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: having a handful, but you couldn't keep from getting hit

467
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: on the road. Like things just have a way of

468
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: turning up. And this is like my one of many,

469
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: but kind of my favorite anti bigfoot argument would be

470
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: that if you look at the way rare species just

471
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: get killed and turned up dead and get shot by

472
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: people whose livestock is get attack, getting attacked, chasing their kids,

473
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: they shoot it, it gets hit by cars, it just dies,

474
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: It turns up dead. In the pond, whatever happens. It's like,

475
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: even when we're down to like having some known quantity things,

476
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: we can't stop them from dying all over the place.

477
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: So that when people talk to these wildlife populations that

478
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: there's no carcasses turning up anywhere. It becomes like hard

479
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: to leave that the things that the necessary things are

480
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: in place to do it. And the idea that oh

481
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: they if they catch m Colorado, they bring them back

482
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: to Whelming, how is that going over with the state

483
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: government and Whelming those guys are doing their damn is

484
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: to get rid of a handful of Callahan proposed the

485
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: idea of an underground railroad for grizzly bears. Bears, take him,

486
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: take him back. I do like there's plenty of unknown

487
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: out there with tons of large mammals that we feel

488
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: extremely familiar with. Like, look at all the new data

489
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that's showing up on mule be your migration corridors, Like

490
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: like we just confirmed the longest mule be your migration

491
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: And that's an animal that most people would consider themselves

492
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: extremely familiar with, the root of which is now looking

493
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: to perhaps get riddled with. Yeah, things that went then

494
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: destroy that migration corridor. Um. But it to jump to

495
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: the point is like, look at you know, all the

496
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: data that we're getting off of these GPS collars. UM.

497
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: A great one is Uh they had a colored sal

498
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: grizz in Montana. Um. She covered an incredible amount of

499
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: country and did some absolutely bizarre things including, Uh, Flathead

500
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: Lake in Montana is a huge body of water. It's

501
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: seven miles long, two and a half miles wide at

502
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: its whitest point, and this grizz swam out to the

503
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: dead center of the lake, turned around, swam back. Nobody

504
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: ever saw this. I just wanted to see what was

505
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: out there. No people, there's no eyewitness No, it was

506
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: just tracking data. And you know, we never nobody would

507
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: ever be like, oh, yeah, the grizz is just gonna

508
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: swim out the middle of the night, in the middle

509
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: of the lake, paddle around for a little bit. And

510
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: then they do that all the time. So there is

511
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit unknown that I think does does go on? Yeah,

512
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it kind of beautiful. And like

513
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: my goal, and we we've talked a thousand times too,

514
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: my goal is to and most of the guys that

515
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: hang out with agree with it would be like my

516
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: goal be that we would recover grizzlies and all suitable

517
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: habitat the agreement falls apart when we discuss like we'll

518
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: define suitable. There's there's a lot of people who know

519
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: this issue very well, and they say, like, we've kind

520
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: of done it except for the exception of one spot,

521
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: perhaps two, and they're not here. Nobody likes raccoons and

522
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: their garbage cans in San Francisco. When it's a six

523
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: pound raccoon, it's probably gonna be a bit more of

524
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: an issue. Yeah, it's slightly unnerving and being with your kids, like,

525
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, every wants to get their kids involved in

526
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: the auto doors, to be out with little kids in

527
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: places that have like a like high densities of grizzlies,

528
00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: it's like this added thing. But you know what, in

529
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: of Alaska, it's like they're dealing with it just fine.

530
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: There's people up there, not many, but they're right there.

531
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: So here's a startling grizzly statistic that, uh, the show

532
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: is kind of the power of misguided humans. Um, let

533
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: me find this. Between eighteen fifty and nineteen twenty, grizzlies

534
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: were extirpated from ninety five of their historic range in

535
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: the lower forty eight. Then from nineteen twenty to nineteen

536
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: seventy they were extirpated from half of that. So you've

537
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: got them whittled down to being on a couple percent

538
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: a couple percentage points of their native range, right dance

539
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: like we we had we did. We did a the

540
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: same to Elk, and we've now recovered Elk on of

541
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: their native range. We're still absent from nine of their

542
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: native range, and we're still trying to make progress in that.

543
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: And I just cannot as much to understand the complexities,

544
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: the political aspects of it, what it means for the

545
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: egg industry, everyone, As much as I see that, I'm like,

546
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: I can't. I just can't accept that's something that as

547
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: human beings in America that we can be okay with

548
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: having something like that on the edge. So I just,

549
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying here, but if I did

550
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: hear that someone turned one up in a definite sense,

551
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get that feeling like, oh no, I'd kind

552
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: of like almost a little bit secretly be like it's

553
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: like bringing wild back. It's like going to buy some

554
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: chalks up head Knock and Yellowstone kind of like didn

555
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: the lady just get that's the most common yellow stone injury.

556
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I think the lady just got gored today. Yesterday yellows

557
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: when I was reacharch in my buffalo. Look it was

558
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: talking about um a very common, a very common animal

559
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: related injury. There would be a puncture wound to the

560
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: upper buttocks. Yeah. States, So speaking, going back to grizzly

561
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: bearris and populations, which states now have u and restoration

562
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: that species? Which states now do we now have grizzly

563
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: bear hunts coming on board here? Well? Possibly too, Possibly

564
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: two states will initiate grizzly hunts. Possibly, you know, I

565
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: say possibly because who knows where litigation is. Co might

566
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: do a tag and what only might do up to

567
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: a couple of dozen with female quotas built into it.

568
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: And then they have they we've identified like recovery areas.

569
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: So when we talk about like if we say that

570
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: we should recover them when all suitable habitat um, there's

571
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: this there's this idea of what those student habitats are.

572
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: Northern cascades. So in in northern Washington you have the

573
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: own a cascade ecosystem. And Secretary Zinkie recently came out

574
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: and declared his support for recovering bears in Northern Cascades

575
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: right now, in the Northern Cascades in the US, there

576
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe maybe is one or two grizzlies there right now.

577
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: They flirt with the border. Cavney Yak has fifty yep.

578
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: Sell Kirk's eight. Sel Kirk's have eight. Northern Continental Divide

579
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Northern Continental Divide has over a thousand Greater Yellsone ecosystem

580
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: has eight hundred, possibly proceeding more. In all these places.

581
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: Because of how econom it's usually the number is usually

582
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: the minimum, the upper end of the population, we don't

583
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: really know. And then there's the one spot that we

584
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: say we could get them or could have them and don't.

585
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: And that's the bit route. Well, the Yak as well,

586
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean the Yak Cabney Yak Wilderness is I believe

587
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: the least visited wilderness area in the lower forty eight

588
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: uh rust to hunt black bears in Man, you'd like

589
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: stumble into grizzlies and it's only fifty of them. Yeah,

590
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: So I mean we've recorded fifty bears there or is

591
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: that an ext We've recorded x amount and extrapolated that

592
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: out to fifty. It's extrapolated out because what people are

593
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: Jerry looking at is you're looking at female home ranges

594
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: and then you kind of like, based off session mature

595
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: females how much area they need, you make these like

596
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: these basic map shapes where you put in like known females,

597
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: what would their range be, And then just from general dynamics,

598
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: you understand the ratio of cubs and males and you

599
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: model it out. It's not like someone goes on goes

600
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: one too, it gets the fifty when people have a birthday.

601
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: My kids like to go, are you on? Are you too?

602
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: And they called my older brother man, they get old

603
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: by the time they got up to the right number.

604
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, they don't like they're not counting them. But

605
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: and you get into that area. And this is like

606
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: the last thing to say about with this idea of

607
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: like because like right now there's a lot of talk

608
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: where people in Colorado are toy with idea like do

609
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: we want to reintroduce wolves or let them trickle in

610
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: because there's different sort of like social tolerances right to

611
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: reintroduction and trickling in. And for a while people talked

612
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: about that will take grizzlies and cut grizzlies loosen the

613
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: bitter root. If we take them and reintroducement to the bit,

614
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna have an experimental status so not regulated as

615
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: tightly because they were a reintroduction, and some grizzly advocates

616
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: feel that it's better, Well, let's just let them walk

617
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: in on their own, which is eventually gonna happen anyway,

618
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: because if they walk in on their own, they carry

619
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: with them full e es a protection. We had the idea,

620
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: we're just gonna make a barrel trap and puts them

621
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: in there, just to get the whole thing over with, right. Uh,

622
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: never got around to that, but it was like an

623
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: idea we toyed with was let's just push this along

624
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: and get it to his logical conclusion. But um, it's

625
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: it's like a thing that you guys wrestled with. And

626
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: someone said today that they're like a government agent was saying,

627
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: he's highly what was he saying, he doesn't think that

628
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Colorado will do a wolf for introduction, right? Right? And

629
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to say who said this, Well he

630
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: said parts and wildlife is off. But that's parts and wildlife.

631
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: That's not the people who are actively trying to move

632
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: towards reintroduction, he said. He said, Carl our Colorado parks

633
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: and wildlife. They show up on their own, They're welcome here. Yeah,

634
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: what's your taked? Yeah? But what did the guy say

635
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: to you recently? If you're a big game hunter? How

636
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: can you be if you're why be pro predator at all?

637
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Because the more you know, the less predators, the more

638
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: big game we have to hunt as big game hunters.

639
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: What's your take? Hey, you know, it's a it's a

640
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: tough one. It's you know, I'm kind of a I'm

641
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: gonna take the easier rout being in between her here.

642
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: But I love having apex predators on one In one sense,

643
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: it's these big wild animals that are back in wild country.

644
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: That's there's nothing more beautiful that you can think of.

645
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you think of the state of

646
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: our current mule your population in Colorado, and you think

647
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: of our elk population. We're always a winter or two

648
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: away from major winterkill. What happens if we have a

649
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: huge population apex better population explosion? You know, a couple

650
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: of big wolf packs step into your favorite elk hunting unit,

651
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: and then you have a winter kill on top of

652
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: that then than what than what's going on? Then all

653
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden we have a big problem. So um,

654
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, from a few different perspectives, not a problem

655
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: for the wolves, not a problem for the wolves. I mean,

656
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Colorado was a if you look at yeah, if you

657
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: look at what we've got going on here in Colorado,

658
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is the ideal target for wolves and

659
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: in grizzlies. I mean we're covered up with animals. Were

660
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: pretty special state. So selfishly, I I agree with that.

661
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want these animals killing my dear

662
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: and elk and wiping out my herds. And maybe there's

663
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: a little ignorance in that statement. But on the other hand,

664
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I love wild these wild places and wild things,

665
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: so you know, you're damned if you do, and you're

666
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: damned if you don't. Yeah, I remember when elk, when

667
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: when wolves came into the areas that we hunt elk

668
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: after like what happened very quickly after the Yellowstone re introductions.

669
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: I remember a guy that we would bump into in

670
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: our elk hunting area. He would be he would kind

671
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: of like get worked up about it, but he'd be like,

672
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta share though, gotta share, gotta share,

673
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: like walking them through. But the thing that I come

674
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: back to me and it's like you look into sort

675
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: of like you try to try to like look into

676
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: your own heart. And I remember the first wolf track

677
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I saw a man, I was ecstatic, not for what

678
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: it meant, not like what is it gonna be down

679
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: the road for tag allocations, and but just in the

680
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: immediate moment, right in the immediate moment, there's sort of

681
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: this really satisfying like holy ship. That was the moment

682
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: I had last year. And when I take people to

683
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: hunt in Alaska, always the thing that they always say,

684
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: always I hope we see or a it's just like

685
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: always exactly And that's what's so funny. People travel to

686
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: Alaska going to jacks and going to the park as

687
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: in Frank Church Wilderness, Uh with the buddy mine is

688
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: working in there, the big outfit there's uh, he was

689
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: pretty fun. We're in this pup tent at the end,

690
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: there's like the big wall tent, nice wall tan, cooked tent.

691
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: There's a nice wall tan for the clients, another nice

692
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: wall tan for the clients. And then it's like you

693
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: guide bums figure it out, and uh that remudas out there.

694
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Uh you know, kraal full hot fence of mules and horses,

695
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: and they're kind of talkative all night and they're pawing

696
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: the ground, frozen ground. You know, it's really loud, and

697
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: uh it's a full moon, just like you know you're

698
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: in a glowing tent in a full moon and can't sleep.

699
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: And uh, first wolf, How I ever heard wolf cuts

700
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: loose and everybody goes dead silent, And I would easily

701
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: trade a freezer full elk meat for that moment, you know,

702
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a special, special moment. Another thing

703
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: I returned when I think about this, and I feel

704
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: that's the point I brought up before, is why, like

705
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: the guys that are just dead set anti predator across

706
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: the board, why do those guys all want to hunt

707
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: and lask it's a bad You wouldn't like it at all.

708
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: There's big stuff run around, all toothy, crazy stuff running

709
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: around everywhere. But I think that people would answer, is

710
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: there Alaska guards very jealously, jealously it's right to do

711
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: predator management. So they've got a nice balance. And I

712
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: think that some people fear, probably quite rightfully, so, some

713
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: people fear that if if wolves get very like heavily

714
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: established in Colorado, if you know, in in a decade

715
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: we're talking about grizzlies being like absolutely established in Colorado,

716
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: that there's the idea that that like politically and socially,

717
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: the state Fish and Game Agency isn't gonna have any

718
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: latitude to do management to to like factor in various

719
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: stakeholders in the conversation. I think if people, if people

720
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: knew that this will happen, these animals will come. When

721
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: they come, we will have management authority and we will

722
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: manage with deer hunters, elk hunters, all people in mind,

723
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: and find like a good balance. I think that people's

724
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: tensions wouldn't be as high. I mean, all they gotta

725
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: do is look to Montana, right, I mean, as as

726
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: has it been a doomsday scenario up there for you

727
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: hunting el not at all. And they got they got.

728
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: I mean they found as much as it was gonna

729
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: be that Montana having a wolf season was gonna be

730
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: the end of wolves, they found it ain't that easy.

731
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: Wolves do? They got smart? Yeah, I mean I don't

732
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: know what you're still finding out, Yeah, plenty, I've got

733
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: as good at elk hunting up there as I did

734
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: in Colorado, and there's this beautiful time in there where

735
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: people are so used to blaming wolves that they actually

736
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: ceased to hunt. And if you're out there hunting, it

737
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: is like the best elk hunting on the planet. And

738
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: all you have to do is be like, oh, yeah,

739
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: it's full of wolves. Oh. I've run into guys who

740
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: were like in their truck and had given up because

741
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: they caught the wolf track. You know what, that guy

742
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: would have given up no matter what, you give up

743
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: to his wife's man give up. It's like Psalm's gonna

744
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: make him give up. Uh dame, We else have anything

745
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: on the wolves or grizzlies. Yeah, you saw a grizzly

746
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: in Colorado. They are they're all named old something. Can

747
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: you name them, Cody? Oh, man, we'll call this one

748
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: the old New Hanski, the old lou john Ski. So oh,

749
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: keep it in the family. Name you name them after yourself. No,

750
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to there's enough. What are you going

751
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: to name it? It's something like that, a ghost grizzly,

752
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: and you know it's an old ghost grizzly, except this

753
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: one wasn't old. C uh CPW Colorado, Parks and Wildlife.

754
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: They do have a form, right if you look at it,

755
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Grizzly sighting for they have a grizzly sighting form, which

756
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: like if you got this, they don't have a big

757
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: foot sighting form? Do they bigfoots blurry? Right? Yeah, that

758
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: wasn't blurry. So there's like they got a form. Man,

759
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a reason that people make forms. So if you

760
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: guys out there see one, go fill out the form.

761
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: And he said that the award, and we talked today

762
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: said he wasn't comfortable with the idea that they investigate

763
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: possible sightings, but they he used, like at it, they'll

764
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: look into it. What did he use look into it? Yeah,

765
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: he didn't want to say like quite like I wouldn't

766
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: say we investigate, we look into it, don't worry about it,

767
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: checks in the mail, We'll think about it. So does

768
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: that now? Another to Colorado News piece that I want

769
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: to get into. Can you can you lay out the

770
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Gore Range? I think he spent so much time. Wow,

771
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: I can do it, but you honest is like the

772
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Gore Range expert here. I did a little bit of

773
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: hunting in there, but a lot of you guys probably

774
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you've been up there. There is

775
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the Gore Range that runs from Veil north towards Steamboat.

776
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: There's a Gore Pass which goes between Breckon Ridge and Bail.

777
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: There's Gore Creek that runs from Bail down into the

778
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: Eagle River. There's Gore Canyon on the Colorado River near Kremling.

779
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: Did I say Gore Pass Pass actually to Ponis Kremlin.

780
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: And there's this gentleman, British gentleman that's spent a lot

781
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: of time. You should talk about rampage in my notes.

782
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: The top of my notes is Gore is what you

783
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: might call an asshole. How many people here know like

784
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: the Gore? Like Gore has everything named him? You guys

785
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: know who Gore was? The story of Gore? So so uh,

786
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: this is something we've discussed in the past. Was like Laramie,

787
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: So Larrmy has got how myself named after him? Larrmy

788
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: shows up, he's like kind of a mountain man. No

789
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: one knows aiding a bottom is that his name Laramie?

790
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: And the minute he showed up, well was killed and

791
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: stuffed through the whole in a frozen beaver pond. The

792
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: dude winds up a half to stay named after him. Okay,

793
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: so Gore, here's Gore. So Gore is a he's an

794
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: Irish lord, so he's the aristocracy. Comes west in the

795
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties to go on a little hunting trip. Now,

796
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: an interesting fact about this is Gore faired He's gonna

797
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: come up through New Orleans and come up the Mississippi

798
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: and then go up the Missouri. But he gets word

799
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: from a Mormon missionary in London to avoid New Orleans

800
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: due to a cholera and malaria outbreak, lands in New York. Instead.

801
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: He is packing with him seventy rifles, a dozen shotguns,

802
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: a brass bed, a steel bathtub featuring his personal crest.

803
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: He travels with his own personal fly higher. It takes

804
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: dozens of carts and wagons the haul Gore's hunting equipment.

805
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: He makes his way out to the Platte River, where

806
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: he hires Jim Bridger, famed mountain man Jim Bridger to

807
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: be his hunting guide. And they set to killing, and

808
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: they kill him for two years. Uh. They hunt the Arkansas,

809
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: they hunt the South Platte. They get up to Montana.

810
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: They hunt the Tongue, the Powder, they hunt the Yellowstone.

811
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: Gore likes to sleep till ten. They likes to get

812
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: up and hunt until after dark. By his own calculations,

813
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: he kills two thousand, five hundred buffalo, which he leaves

814
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: the rot one d five bears, perhaps forty of which

815
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: were grizzlies. He kills one thousand, six hundred deer in Elk.

816
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: Indians are going to their Indian agents to complain about

817
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: this particular individuals waste of resources. Even Jim Bridger gets

818
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: sick of him. Eventually everyone's mad the guy. His trips

819
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: coming to an end. He goes down to Fort Union

820
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: on the Missouri and he wants to sell his gear

821
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: to the James Kipp who ran the fort there. James

822
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: Kip gives him what he perceives to be a shitty offer. Now,

823
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, Mike Brody's been in the guiding business.

824
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: How many you guys have all guided everyone? Here's guided

825
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: rich clients give you stuff? Am I not? Is this right? Like? Oh,

826
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: here's my binocular? Sonny? I mean, doesn't this happen? Real

827
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: hired to convert that into gasoline? I have found. But

828
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: it's a thing, right, It's a thing that happens. You

829
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: give your guide stuff not Gore. Gore is offended by

830
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the offer, and at Fort Union he and this is

831
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: witnessed by a many. He starts a giant pyre and

832
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: burns every single thing that he had brought with him

833
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: out of spite. He burns Conostoga wagons, he burns freight wagons,

834
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: He burns red river carts. He burns a silk tent.

835
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: He burns all of his carpets. He burns his down

836
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: filled pillows. He had brought over an Indian rubber rubber

837
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: raft that no one had ever seen. He throws that

838
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: on the fire and burns it. He burns his meteorological equipment.

839
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: He burns his entire personal library. Bridger later in his

840
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: life talked about Gore, and the part of the story

841
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: of the interested Bridger was that Gore introduced him to Shakespeare.

842
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: Gore would read Bridge or Shakespeare at night, but he

843
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: burns all to his Shakespeare text. He had kept meticulous

844
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: journals through his whole journey. He burns his journals, hands

845
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Jim Bridger fifty bucks and leaves only with his hunting trophies.

846
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: Then he winds up with a mountain range, a mountain pass,

847
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: a canyon, lake, Creek and wilderness area that he never

848
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: stepped and named after him. Yep, which violates even the

849
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: government's idea like explain like what it is that you're

850
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: supposed to do? Oh, you you you can you can

851
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: do that better than me, Like like like you have

852
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: to have you have to be an American citizen first, right, Um,

853
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: you go discover, you go explore something, you map it

854
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: out meaningful, you give people useful information that are going

855
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: to be there at some point in the future. And

856
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: someone says, hey, that guy did a good job, let's

857
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: name that mountain after him. But gorgeous gets out of

858
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: sheer inertia. Right, But there's a petition that Brody was

859
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: talking about. No, this is your your area of expertise. Yeah,

860
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: so this is the day and age where we're kind

861
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: of conscious of our history and mistakes we've made in

862
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: the past and names that shouldn't have been named. And

863
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: so there's a movement to rename the wipe Gore's name

864
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: off the face of Colorado's mountain sides. And uh, I'm

865
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: not sure how much traction it's gaining. But you can

866
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: sign the petition. You can sign the petition. Yeah, yeah,

867
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: And I believe what they want. It's the Shining Mountains

868
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: is what they would like the Ute to name them.

869
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: But a name that's been proposed is the general term

870
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: for the Rockies, which would have been the Shining Mountains.

871
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: The level the left a lot of time in there.

872
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: A couple more quick facts about Gore. It was the

873
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: most expensive expensive hunting expedition ever mounted at the time,

874
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: and Gore never cocked his own rifle, so I'd be like,

875
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: cal cock my rifle now I'm gonna shoot, you know, uh,

876
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: read about his thing. It's reminisce so like Gore like

877
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: winds up being a villain right like we now perceive,

878
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: and oftentimes like I'm the guy. I'm the kind of

879
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: guy that oftentimes when I hear like we're gonna read

880
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: aim something because of our contemporary perspective, oftentimes I get

881
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable feeling because I don't think it always

882
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: works to take a contemporary notion of morality and like

883
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: a a like a sophisticated progressive sense of morality and

884
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: apply it to people two years ago who probably in

885
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: their own time were progressive. But if but they but

886
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: it will never keep up, like you're always gonna find

887
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: something So the more you go back and analyze, you're

888
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: you're looking at people who further times were like outstanding,

889
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: like regardless outstanding individuals with really sophisticated thoughts about human

890
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: rights and sophisticated thoughts about what we ought to be

891
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: doing and how we ought to be as a nation

892
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: and what our aspirations and goals should be. But there's

893
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: this blemish, and we we we fixate on the blemish,

894
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: and it kinds of makes me uncomfortable more in his

895
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: own time, was hated, was hated. But maybe you don't.

896
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you leave that name there to just remind you, hey, man,

897
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: don't do that, you know, Well, that's what I'm thinking,

898
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Like Colorado school kid, what an amazing lesson? You're like, Oh,

899
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: Gore a peak. I wonder how that guy named gonna

900
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: look this guy up? I mean, can you learn about

901
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: like the rapacious quality of man? Yes, otherwise it's like

902
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna stick with you. The Shining Mountains is a

903
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: great name. But then no school could ever learns about

904
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: Gore because it's wiped off the face of the map, right,

905
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Yeah, like maybe there should be

906
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: one of those interpretive highway signs that just says like, hey,

907
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: an asshole on it here. Yeah. I don't know, man.

908
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Do you think there are people at the time being like, boy,

909
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: that's terrible, but he's creating a lot of jobs. That's good.

910
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: That's good. Uh. Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't

911
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: know about Because here's the thing. We all love Roosevelt, right,

912
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and if you want to go find if you want

913
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: to find a guy that was up to that, go

914
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: read a little bit about Roosevelt's when he got out

915
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: of office and he did his big African safari. No difference,

916
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: no difference, but he right, Oh, that was just how

917
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: they did things back then, because he wanted up doing

918
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: some good turns. So even our interpretation of morality is

919
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of like the influenced bollies are things where we're

920
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, like his Africa trip. When anyone, anyone that

921
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: describes his average trip, they can't. Any writer that talks

922
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: about it can't help having the giant list of all

923
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff he packed, quite similar to the list

924
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I gave a minute ago. But he's our great hero.

925
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know. The package for River of Doubt.

926
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah extensive, O my god, I mean you could almost

927
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: calm Gore with a conscious right, like he came around

928
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: at the end, you believe. So he died single. I

929
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, well, he did a lot for us,

930
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: right conservation wise. Okay, so let's say this. You're a

931
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: single reference Thereah, cow died single? Oh, just point out.

932
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that, like one history of

933
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: Gore that I read, the writer took some level of

934
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: satisfaction in the fact that he died alone. Maybe I

935
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he was like he might have been,

936
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: but you know what, in the end, he died alone,

937
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: so he must have had a good life. You know.

938
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like the writer took says

939
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant as a dig I was just wondering. Um, okay,

940
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: so let me say this. You are, You are commander

941
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: of the universe, and on your daily docket of decisions

942
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: is hey, should we change the Gore arranged to the

943
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Shining Mountains? And just gotta you know, you got so

944
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: much to do that day. You gotta make a snap decision.

945
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: And you know right now they're making the new signs.

946
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: Do you do it or not? Oh man? Before we

947
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: had this conversation, I was all for change, and you know,

948
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: but now I'm rethinking it. Um. I can't tell you

949
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: how many times I heard you want to say I

950
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: was back in the Gore. Yeah, back in the Shining Mountains.

951
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: That sounds good, they does. But there's nothing wrong with

952
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: the Gore either. But when you know the history of it,

953
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: it kind of stinks. Right. But now I'm conflicted because

954
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we should be changing those little blemishes

955
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: or do we leave them just to reminders. In my mind,

956
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: there's a gap here. The gap being why did they

957
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: name it after him? We know it's named after him,

958
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: but I guess maybe I'm missing something here, But I

959
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: don't know why they named it. Was it because he

960
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: came and did all these amazing expeditions and created a

961
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: name for himself, or because he was in There's for

962
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: how it started to happen. But it's not satisfactory. It

963
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: wasn't them being like, man that was a good guy,

964
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: he was cool. It wasn't like that. It was just

965
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: their naming a lot of things at the time, right,

966
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: So he came along at the right time, was kind

967
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: of notorious, and they said, you're the man rolls off

968
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: your tongue the morning I was for changing now here.

969
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: I am Master of the Universe, was the title commander

970
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: of these of the universe. Keep it, that's my official

971
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: make the sign, keep it. I'm with you like it's

972
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: it's where, it's what it is. You know, you can't

973
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: erase history by changing the name, and you shouldn't want

974
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: to write she shouldn't try and cover it up. I

975
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know, man, callam learning opportunity. This is similar the

976
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: issues that are going on in New Mexico with regard

977
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: to monuments that were named after famous Spanish conquisadors that

978
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: horrible atrocities against Native Americans and Pueblans, and um, you know,

979
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: do you keep these because that was an important part

980
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: of history or do you change them because this guy

981
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: was such an ass and did so many bad things

982
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: and so many were just tools and the tool kit.

983
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, so so yeah, I mean, do you

984
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: know these issues are being looked at all over the

985
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: place right now? I say change it, change it. Hell yeah,

986
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: I've called it to go over my entire life. Commander

987
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: command of Commander Cody hot Rod Lincoln. He opened up

988
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: for stepping wolf. Yeah right, Uh can we are we

989
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: ready to move on. There'ld be cool, cool, no one,

990
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: no one anything more. You know you're good. I'm good. Okay,

991
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: Now what's going on? It's checking that time? Are you

992
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: doing good? Do you think it's immoral? Do you think

993
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: it's immoral or or what's the opposite, immortal? Is it immoral?

994
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: Or okay? Two? Shoot a bedded deer? I'll go with okay, okay.

995
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Can you give me a thinking and why it's okay? Um?

996
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: I think I just lay out why some people would

997
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: say maybe it's not okay. First, right, you want to

998
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: agree that we agree that would be a fine approach.

999
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna say it's okay and tell us why it's

1000
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: not or why some my view it is not yeah,

1001
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: because I think if you don't have the context of that,

1002
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: then why you even have this conversation. But I think

1003
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: that well, there's two reasons I think a lot of

1004
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: people say it's not okay, she did better deer or

1005
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: whatever big game animal. One being that you're not seeing

1006
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: like the body sort of stretched out and you're not

1007
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: able to identify exactly where the vitals are and where

1008
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: exactly should place your bullet or arrow right. The other

1009
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: one being that somehow you caught an animal sleeping or

1010
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: off guard, and that um, you're at such an advantage

1011
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: that you should feel I guess morally bad about it.

1012
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: And then you should like give the animal pass because

1013
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: it's taken a break. Yes, that's money. That's the main

1014
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: two reasons why people are sort of not not like

1015
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I want to see that as a sportsmanship thing, like

1016
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to shoot a duck off the water,

1017
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: right some somewhere in there. Yeah, we've all decided that's okay.

1018
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: So I I say it's okay because, um one, I

1019
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: feel like if you know and and the anatomy enough

1020
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: and if you have a like a rifle or whatever

1021
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: weapon with enough pour that you know that the vitals,

1022
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: that you can still place that bullet right where it

1023
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: needs to go, even when it's you know, crowded up

1024
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: in bedded and as far as like given it a

1025
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: past because you caught it sleep. And you should be

1026
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: considered like an excellent hunter because you snuck up to

1027
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: a bedded animal because everybody knows it's like okay. Every

1028
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: now and then, sure you catch one that's actually asleep,

1029
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: but more likely when they're betted, they're still aware, or

1030
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: or the one next to him is aware. Nobody's actually

1031
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: completely asleep on the job, right. It's not he caught

1032
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: like the platoon sleeping. He's stuck in there and got

1033
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: the jump on everybody. So I think when you sneak

1034
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: into you sneak into a bunch of bedded deer or

1035
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: or just one, you should be considered an exceptional hunter

1036
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: with exceptional skills and not not be not be said

1037
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: that somehow you got over all one. I feel I

1038
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: feel you on that. And remember we met a guy

1039
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: that was kind of the opposite where his wife didn't

1040
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: want to eat meat from animals that looked at him, right,

1041
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: I do remember that. She's like she like, did it

1042
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: look at you know? Okay? Right, So it didn't matter

1043
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: if it was better or not. No, that was her thing.

1044
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: It became. It became rather than saying like, oh, no,

1045
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: you snuck up on this thing and it's better down.

1046
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: Her thing would be like just from looking at it

1047
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: like a sort of outsider perspectively, like once it's aware

1048
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: of you and staring at you, you've kind of like

1049
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: lost like something went wrong there and and and it

1050
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: wasn't like you you know, you've said that before though,

1051
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: like you prefer to shoot animals that have no idea

1052
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: your way prefer it. Like when I'm like, it's in

1053
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: everybody's story, you had no idea. It's like people love

1054
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: that part of the story. Yeah, man, not aware that

1055
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: I was there. I'm gonna start whistling first, just to

1056
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: let him know, get him to stand up. Well, you know,

1057
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: like Kevin Murphy blows the horn right when he starts

1058
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: before he started on the guy that rode in about

1059
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: about this. Do you want to know? I hesitated at first,

1060
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: even shared his detail his dad was so opposed to

1061
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: shooting do you know what I'm talking about? His father

1062
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: is so opposed to shooting a bedded deer that his

1063
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: father once found a wounded deer that had been hit

1064
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: by a car, and he had kind of watched it

1065
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: around their property. He kept trying to catch it on

1066
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: his feet, but it had always cut through their property

1067
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: and lay down, so it's already wounded. He's basically trying

1068
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: to put it down but also be able to eat

1069
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: it for it goes bad. He goes and gets a

1070
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: red Rider BB gun to shoot the deer to get

1071
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: it to stand up, to then shoot it with a muzzleloader.

1072
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: This guy writes in a letter explained is the same.

1073
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: What's your take on it? Wow? Give it a fighting chance?

1074
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: He just give it a fighting chance. Yeah. I hunting

1075
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, we you know, we ran into that

1076
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: scenario in New Mexico on a problem r hunt. Crawled

1077
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: up on an animal, open shot in the bed, and

1078
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship about it. Yeah. Prior to that,

1079
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was actually a pretty cool stock. It

1080
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: was really open country and we had to herd of

1081
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: cattle just come blasting through and it was provided the

1082
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: only bit of cover for the first part of the stock.

1083
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: And then you went in belly crawled and finish This

1084
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: amazing stock got into out in the middle of I mean,

1085
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: there's a grasp about this tall and then you get

1086
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: as cut it rashing and ship. Yeah, crawling around the

1087
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: hot ass sun was dragging my rifle behind me. Cat

1088
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: the storms all up and down and it was like

1089
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: you weren't mainly because it was laying down. It's like,

1090
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: come on, man, So so what does your take would

1091
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: you take? Is? Uh? I have taking animals and some

1092
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: of the best stocks in my life have been totally

1093
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: creeping up on an animal and killing its bed On

1094
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, I have had animals lost

1095
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: with me um by somebody shooting an animal and uh

1096
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: not hitting the animal right when it was bedded, because

1097
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: I have had to happen, and just this past year

1098
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: I had that happen. It costs a family member of mind,

1099
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: a bowl and so on, embedded on embedded bull elk.

1100
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: So it happens. So if you know what you're doing

1101
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: and you feel confident with it, and you are going

1102
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: to own your shot and you've completed that stock, I

1103
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: think you go for it. If you're not confident with it,

1104
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: the animals not laid just right, don't take the shot. Yeah,

1105
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: it's so hard, and I always have a hard time

1106
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: with folks who are like, absolutely, this is the only

1107
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: way you can do it, because honey is just not

1108
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: that way. That's why I love it. It's got no

1109
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: end to the variables. Right, there's animals, and animal does

1110
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: what it wants and the conditions are unknown. So uh,

1111
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: my general rule of thumb is no, do not client

1112
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: though it compresses commander of the universe, compresses the area,

1113
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: um you have more, you're I feel like your odds

1114
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: increase of destroying good meat and patience kills man. Just

1115
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: wait for that thing, stand up, put it through both lungs.

1116
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: Minimal meat loss done to you. Now that being said,

1117
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: you know you can very very well find that scenario

1118
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: where everything is perfect, animals better and you have just

1119
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: that beautiful window through the vitals and and it's great.

1120
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, generally I say, do not shoot. Wait are

1121
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,839
Speaker 1: you coming from the client perspective? What you're telling clients?

1122
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: Are you individually here? I typically hold off myself. Yeah,

1123
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: what about a client of time? No Brody. Well, before

1124
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: Calihan spoke up, I was gonna say, I prefer to

1125
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: shoot everyone betted. But the only shot I'll take you,

1126
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: I had to wait a while for it to bed down.

1127
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: Now I gotta think about it. I mean I have shot,

1128
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: you know. I shot a bullout at less than twenty

1129
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: yards with the rifle bedded down, and he was just

1130
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: as surprised as I was when I um. But now

1131
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: cows like got me off feeling guilty about it. So

1132
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: you're on your personal journey. You know when people say

1133
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: like two people like go yeah or no, when they

1134
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: just measure the volume. When you're doing like an audience survey,

1135
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to do or measuring the volume. I

1136
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: just want for when I put this to the audience test,

1137
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 1: I just want you to say, yep, like that loud

1138
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 1: not all kinds of screaming is a nice yep? Uh

1139
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: would you change? Uh? Okay? All those in favor of

1140
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: switching the Gore Range to the Shining Mountain Range say yep.

1141
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:18,879
Speaker 1: Alls in favor of it keeping its name, huh. Alls

1142
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: that think it's okay to shoot a deer say in

1143
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: its bed say yo. Yeah, they progressively got louder. You know,

1144
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: I don't know about ship Okay. So we have at

1145
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: at you know, at the Mediator podcast, we have a

1146
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: man who's kind of emerged as as what I like

1147
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: to call our philosopher and residence. Where does this guy,

1148
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: this dude Luke Ryan, who happens to be with us

1149
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: here tonight, who uh what sends in all these kind

1150
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: of like really perplexing hunting questions, ethics questions enough to

1151
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,839
Speaker 1: where like I started taking notice of this fellow that he, uh,

1152
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: he really knows how to get in there and grapple

1153
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: with some of the hunting conundrums. And like said, he's

1154
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: an intendis night and he had this question which interesting

1155
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: ideas like what winds up being your shot to kill

1156
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: ratio in big game hunting, pointing out that a wonder

1157
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: one ratio meaning you know, every you you you kill

1158
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: an animal with every shot you fire, might not be

1159
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: the most ethical ratio because in some things that might

1160
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: be that the minute you if if you hit an

1161
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: animal for purposes of having a quick, humane kill, you

1162
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: might quickly follow it up with a second shot in

1163
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: order to ensure that it's gonna like die really quickly.

1164
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: So bragging a one to one might not be as

1165
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: good as if you had like a higher ratio, because

1166
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: you just want to shure to like put him on

1167
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: the ground quickly and efficiently in the case of hunting

1168
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: something like moose or elk. So what is your shot

1169
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: to kill shots fired two animals killed ratio? Uh one

1170
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: point three one point three But lifetime no, I just

1171
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: I just running through in my I just like ransom

1172
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: calculations from like a year from the last year, because

1173
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't like, I haven't like kept that,

1174
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: I haven't like tracked the data. But I'll point out

1175
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: the last year big game hunting, the only time I

1176
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: shot twice, the first one would have been fine. That

1177
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: just happened to shoot twice. I mean it's like a

1178
01:15:50,640 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: fog nack, like a shot and you'll make fun. Oh no,

1179
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, so like one point seven or whatever,

1180
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: one point four? Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, I bet

1181
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: you everyone that they think about it, the number will grow. Okay,

1182
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: let me let me put it. Let me put this way,

1183
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: let me put it in a more conservative way. It's

1184
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: not too it's not big game only or is it

1185
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: we counting a small game to you know, you're not

1186
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 1: countently hunting ducks. No, there's more real quick okay, quickly

1187
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: to give us the last part. Yeah, I got you staying.

1188
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: If you miss, you gotta count it. Yeah, but I

1189
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: don't have that problem. Oh yeah, it would be like

1190
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: not to not to you guys running very high right now. Yeah,

1191
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: you're honestly had some Western hunts. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

1192
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: for sure. Um three on my coups to each on

1193
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: my last two animals. Last cow was to last five

1194
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: squirrels with three apiece. Yeah yeah, I don't know. So yeah,

1195
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: what does that give me? Yeah, I'll just go with

1196
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Colorado last year one on my muley Buck one on

1197
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: my prompt because you missed your MULEI buck before that,

1198
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: my gun didn't fire. What does that? Yeah, I pulled

1199
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: a trigger and I didn't even get a click or anything.

1200
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: Does that count? Doesn't count? That doesn't count. And then too,

1201
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: on my bowl, I pulled that, I shot him and

1202
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: he didn't move, so I immediately shot him again and

1203
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: just to be sure, and walked up there and two

1204
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: two vital shots. So four shots, three animals. Now let's

1205
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: hear Cal's amazingly known Kel's point seven five like amazingly

1206
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: low number. Yeah, this is good. This is humbling bowl

1207
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: one mule deer, one bowl negative four? What does that mean?

1208
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: I at the time, I was like, I am inexplicably missing.

1209
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: Now that's not true. The fact of the matter is

1210
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: is I have, quite ignorantly, I have just not been

1211
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: shooting as much as I used to, and I had

1212
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: my rightful skills have clearly fallen off the map. So

1213
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: I did. Uh. I went back home to Montana on

1214
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: our real misery hunt and found another nice bowl in

1215
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: there and missed. I missed three times, now four times?

1216
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: Missed three times? Okay at sub two yards? Kelly, yeah,

1217
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: are you hearing you? All the scenarios but that's not

1218
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: the question. I can give you a full meal deal.

1219
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: But I missed three times under two hundred yards, okay,

1220
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: And I had a here is the bull because it

1221
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: was so confused that it ran directly at me. And

1222
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: now it's at four years and I'm like, well, now

1223
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: only a jackass would miss and I had the safety

1224
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: on and did uh, how about I not heard the story?

1225
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 1: It was it well, it's yeah, it's not a good story.

1226
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: And it got away. It's just it got away gone.

1227
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the full day I told you

1228
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: about that hunt. It was like thirty winds the whole time,

1229
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: this hell hole and the driving snow, and I had

1230
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: all the time in the world, had my pack down

1231
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: and like two ft of snow, so I was basically

1232
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: like sitting on a couch, had dead fall in front

1233
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: of me and had a perfect rest. And I was like,

1234
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: just take your time, just take your time, just take

1235
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: your time, and one of those yeah, and I did,

1236
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: And I missed over a course of period of time. Yeah, yeah,

1237
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: good question, Brady, hold on. But then was off right? No,

1238
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't, no, no, no, this was off So you lost.

1239
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: I got lost in the numbers somewhere. So you're running

1240
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: a plus two absolutely six an arrow bull, one bullet

1241
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: for the mule. There three misses on another bowl, which

1242
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: I didn't feel bad. Two animals, seven shot. Divide this

1243
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: into this and yeah she did like three point three yeah.

1244
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: Uh cow, moose, one shot, mule, deer buck one shot,

1245
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: cow out three shots. They all hit her, but it

1246
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: was three shots too to end it at the end.

1247
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: That's it for last. But I feel like you year

1248
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: is such a small sample size too, Okay, can we

1249
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: move on? Yeah? If you do, you're salad with sub

1250
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: tube comfortable. I think there's years eyes probably more in

1251
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: cow's range. Thanks Luke. This guy starts out by saying

1252
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: I have absolutely zero access to grind, so I'm gonna

1253
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:32,839
Speaker 1: tell me more. Um. He goes on to ask this, Uh,

1254
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: he's going out west. He's from Georgia, going out west

1255
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: on his first big time wild West hunting trip, which

1256
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: he says he does not want it to get squirrely. Um,

1257
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: what is a specific prong hornet? He's going on an

1258
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: antelope punt, prong horn, analop punt. He's like he wants

1259
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: a little specific piece of prong horn anlope hunting gear,

1260
01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: not like just general universal gear, but antelope gear. Kneepads

1261
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: take one, everybody gets to pick one. I'm doing knee

1262
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: pads analope specific. Yeah, I like it, construction kneepads. Um,

1263
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: since I saw you do this, I'm gonna go with bipod.

1264
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll play, we'll play. Yeah, I'm gonna go

1265
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: with optics. You know, universal gear. You're talking specific normal

1266
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: general gear. I feel like bipods specific enough, specific enough.

1267
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: I accept that answer. So I go like apare twelve

1268
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: or fift twelve power binos. There we go, twelve power binders, sunscreen.

1269
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like a buff but sunscreen kind

1270
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: of thirteen bullets. I don't know. I'll add another one

1271
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: man and we've done this. Uh is a white handkerchief.

1272
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing just for flagging, just doing this.

1273
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: You want to see him go, and they'll oftentimes be like,

1274
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: huh is that legal everywhere? If it's legally illegal, how

1275
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: could it be ill? I can't picture being illegal to

1276
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: be like, to be like, dude, I just was getting

1277
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: my hanky out. I was just giving him my head

1278
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: like a safety aspect. There's something white moving number Oh

1279
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 1: shoot a shot, Steve Rinella, we got time for a

1280
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: couple more. We gotta call it more. We got it

1281
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: also got to our closers. Here's a quick question. But

1282
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys are gonna have any perspective

1283
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: on this question. A guy writes in and he says,

1284
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: I guess this isn't keeping with your having eaten coyotes.

1285
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,520
Speaker 1: Have you any advice or experience with the common carp?

1286
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: There is a lot of meat on those puppies, Um

1287
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: I have like we've cooked and eating common carp. I've

1288
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: smoked him, ground him up for patties. It's uh, it

1289
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: winds up being that like it's absolutely edible. A lot

1290
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: of people from a lot of cultures raise them for

1291
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: the purpose and he's talking about common like, you know

1292
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: your Asian carp raised them for the European cart, raising

1293
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: for the purpose of food. You're fine, it's edible all that,

1294
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: But after when I eat them, I don't come away

1295
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: from it being like man, I cannot wait to go

1296
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: get another cart. And so that's like to me, that's

1297
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: this whole classification of wild game. It's like I ate

1298
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: it didn't hurt um not dying to do it. Again,

1299
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: and I put common carp in that category. Any experience.

1300
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: If you have no experience, can you do me a favor?

1301
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: Try it? Can you? Um? No? No? Not that. Can

1302
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,919
Speaker 1: you tell me what sort of like the latest wild

1303
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: game dish you've been onto that you're like, this is

1304
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: what people ought to be cooking that they might not

1305
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: be aware of your No, they could be aware of it,

1306
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: but it's like what you're on because you made me

1307
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: a very good moose heart taco two nights ago. Yeah,

1308
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: can that be my answer? That could be your thing?

1309
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Lay it out? Okay? Um? Yeah, I did a moose

1310
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 1: heart moose heart and an elkhart. We really didn't need both,

1311
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: but um kind of carved him up, got him down

1312
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: and nothing but meat. You know, there's a lot of

1313
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: connective tissue and silver skin on hearts. As you trimmed

1314
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: all that off, we do not had to, you know,

1315
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: make dinner for the boss. So um. But yeah, when

1316
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: once you get that stuff off of there, the gristle

1317
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and veins and fat and silver skin, it's like very

1318
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: dense kind of soft meat. And I just cut it

1319
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: in strips, marinated it in uh olive oil, lime juice,

1320
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: carne asadas, seasoning, grilled it. Rare threw it on some

1321
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: tacos with all kinds of top. Yeah, like charge some

1322
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: peppers and onions on the grill to go on it.

1323
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Some case so fresco. I think that was about it. Herbs, yeah, cilantro. Yeah,

1324
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: it's just like a fresh summer meat. Yeah. Well, I

1325
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: was so worried about overcooking it that some of it

1326
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: was definitely undercooked. But I'd rather go that direction than

1327
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: overcooked like this in your mouth. But my kids ate it,

1328
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: which I you know, and you guys didn't hear any grumlins.

1329
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: So I love mine here today. But a moose hearts

1330
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: like a guy actually, Like I posted a picture of

1331
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: the elkhart and the moose heart. He's like, you should

1332
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: have posted a picture of a deer heart for US

1333
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Eastern guys for size perspective, and I said, I replied

1334
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: to him, I said, fist to fist child's head like

1335
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of the perspective. I want to back up on

1336
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: cart real quickly. At one time, did it a scopier

1337
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: recipe with carp where you cut the carp's head and

1338
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: tail off, then you de bone and you flay it

1339
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: like de bone all the meat, and you grind the

1340
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,839
Speaker 1: meat up and mix it with butter and bread crumbs

1341
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: and all kinds of all the good things to eat.

1342
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: And you reform the carp's body out of this stick

1343
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:54,480
Speaker 1: the head and tail back onto it like scales with truffles.

1344
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: It's like food taxider. You rescale the carp with sliced

1345
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: truffles and eat it. That is good, carp. It sounds like,

1346
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: can you make that next time? We? Can you make

1347
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: that next time we go cart fishing? I could do

1348
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: it again. I could do it. It It takes like about

1349
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: three days budget um, carp. I feel like anything when

1350
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the water is super cold is edible. And it's a

1351
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: flawed theory. Uh. And then you know, summertime, carp there

1352
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: in to me like boiling hot water out there in

1353
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: the back bays, and and that just does not seem

1354
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: palatable in any way, shape or form. But you know,

1355
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: I was in Panama over the winter that waters always warm.

1356
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Those fish tastes great. Yeah, that's a good point, but

1357
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: people do have that they're good in the winter. I

1358
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: grew up here in that about suckers. But I'm and

1359
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: uh one kind of fun fish thing. You know, MA

1360
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: always try one extra thing. I had a uh brown

1361
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: trout ate a streamer a little too deep and kept

1362
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: the brown trout that had not I only say that

1363
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: because I just hadn't intended to have trout that night.

1364
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: Kind of rearrange the menu and did the trout on

1365
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: blue blue. Yeah, So if you don't know what this is,

1366
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: it's it's basically it takes some aromatics and uh white

1367
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: vinegar and water. Get that too, a high sizzle and

1368
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: just slide the trout in there. Well, when I gutted

1369
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: this brown trout, it had a liver that was like

1370
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: this big. I mean it was like two big thumbs

1371
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: doubled up. And I threw that liver in there and

1372
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: it was not to be missed. It was fantastic in

1373
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: the old days. And they made true doll blue or

1374
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: blue trout. I'm saying it's horribly and uh it was.

1375
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: It was essential that you put a live trout because

1376
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: it's skins would turn to extra vibrant blue. But that

1377
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel quite right. And guts in obviously, Yeah,

1378
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you get the vinegar broth because what it is is

1379
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: like the skin turns blue for some reason I'll never understand. Um,

1380
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: But if you wanted to be really blue, you put it.

1381
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 1: You slip live trout into the boiling elixir, which just

1382
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: one of those It's like gore. Right, there's just some things.

1383
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: There's just some things we don't do anymore. Kids. Oh man,

1384
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: no carp My last name is lu Han, so clearly

1385
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: tacos are pretty big in my household. So I love

1386
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: a red chili taco and just a really good um

1387
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: some of the prime cuts from either pronghorn or elk

1388
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: and uh some good ground red chili from northern New Mexico,

1389
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: and uh some flour and you get the mixture right

1390
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: in your pot, and then you dump in your meat

1391
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 1: and you cook a little sole on the side and

1392
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: which is like hominy almost, and you mix those up

1393
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: and you have a big, hardy stew, probably the best,

1394
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 1: my favorite meal. And you can probably put a house

1395
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: cat near it would taste good, right, And I said,

1396
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: you up, man, If you get that red chili, if

1397
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: you get that, if you get your if you get

1398
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: everything mixed up just right, you can throw a carp

1399
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: in there and it taste a carbon carp tacas. But

1400
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: I've had that, and it wasn't until I met you

1401
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 1: that I knew that there was like a tar or

1402
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: tear war. What's that word in wine tear war? I

1403
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 1: don't know, say to it? Yeah, like uh, meaning that

1404
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 1: that each like each place sort of has its own

1405
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 1: thing that that it imbibes in the flavor, right, and

1406
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: it's like a one thing that like this hill, the

1407
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: South Hill has an extra quality that you don't get

1408
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: when we grow greats on the North pie. Like your head,

1409
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: you were like being into what valley chili's come from? Yeah,

1410
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: the Hatch Valley obviously everybody knows Hatch chili, but a

1411
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of volcanic soil. And then for the green chili,

1412
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: and then northern New Mexico, the Espanola Valley is my

1413
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: family's preferred red chili, which is green chili that's dried, crushed,

1414
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: you know, ground and um. And then each It's interesting,

1415
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: each of the pueblos in New Mexico also take prior

1416
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: to our our chill. Our green chili is better than

1417
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: the next door poeblo screen chili. So everybody's kind of

1418
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: got their own strains and different ways of preparing it. Yeah,

1419
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and you integrate that int your world game, and you

1420
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I integrate a lot of green Chilian red chili in

1421
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: my into our wild game cuisine. My my wife does

1422
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: as well. So you carps have served you carb? Yeah

1423
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: it was good? You liked it? Was that able? The

1424
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: what I did like from that same we're talking about Wisconsin, right, Yeah,

1425
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: well was good. I remember those the ribs that we

1426
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: had off those but they were off the carp. I

1427
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: think that was a buff a little sucker that's a

1428
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 1: native fish. Yeah, but those rails were good. Yeah, like

1429
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: really like meaty good ribs off of a fish. Yeah,

1430
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: like the rib the rib cage. Man, like you cook

1431
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: the rib cage off a buffalo socker, which is like

1432
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: a cart but it's a native fish, not a non

1433
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: native fish. They used to be a commercial market for

1434
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: him in the old days. Just fry that rib cage,

1435
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: thrilled them with ramps, which you probably have new your house. Either.

1436
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: Are they like quarter inch maybe not quite? They're like

1437
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: that thick? No there you going the bone itself or

1438
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: them with the meat the the meat Oh yeah then

1439
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: a solid maybe even three eights. So what what do you?

1440
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: What are you hot on right now? Put? Am I

1441
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: hot on? Turkey, liver, pat day meat, butter as as

1442
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of people on Instagram described it, which I

1443
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 1: never called that growing up, but yeah, I took a

1444
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: turkey liver and ah, I didn't mean to, but I

1445
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: ended up basically sulking in water for about a week.

1446
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: It's because I didn't have time and I was almost

1447
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: getting ready to pitch it, I'll be honest, because like, yeah,

1448
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still gonna be good, but

1449
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: it smells fine, So I went ahead and did it

1450
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 1: and quick recipe. Um, so I recommend anybody tries it

1451
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: because it literally took thirty minutes to not even thirty

1452
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: minutes by fifteen minutes to make, and then maybe an

1453
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: hour to let us set up in the fridge, but

1454
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: just so good a week. Yeah, so in a week

1455
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: you probably get away with just printing it, but trimming up,

1456
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: chopping up a little bit. And I was surprised because

1457
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: it was a chicken liver recipe that I used and

1458
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: they called for a half a pound. I was like, oh, man, like,

1459
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: how am I ever gonna come up with a half

1460
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: pound of liver? Right? But the turkey's liver actually ended

1461
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: up being a quarter pound. A turkey's liver is a

1462
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 1: quarter pound. Yeah, so I just had to have the recipe.

1463
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: I was surprised. Yeah, big liver, and so chopped it up,

1464
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: and then uh, in a with I think like a

1465
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: couple of water, you put that in there, one bay leaf,

1466
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: a couple of peppercorns, one clove of a crushed garlic,

1467
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: and like a half a teaspoon of fresh time. I believe,

1468
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: simmer for about three minutes, turn turn the heat off,

1469
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: put the lid on it, let it sit for five

1470
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: more minutes, strain it out of the water into the

1471
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: food process or remove peppercorns and bay leaves, buzz it

1472
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: until it's pure ad. And then um, I read a

1473
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:32,799
Speaker 1: bunch of recipes on how to make chicken lap patten

1474
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: it and people, uh it varied greatly to ask to

1475
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: how much butter people put in? So for my quarter pound,

1476
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: I put in roughly three quarters of a stick of butter.

1477
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Like the further east you go, the more butter you have, yes,

1478
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: definitely more labby than you are. The more butter you did,

1479
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: you say, three quarters three quarters of a stick? Yeah,

1480
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: three quarters of a stick. And then uh, that's all

1481
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: so it's all pure eight up. And then I think

1482
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: the recipe called for conejak in an avenue. So I

1483
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: think I put in like a tables fun of no, no, no,

1484
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: it was four roses whiskey that had some dust on it. Yeah,

1485
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, if you buzz that another second longer,

1486
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: put into a ramickin, cover it and put it in

1487
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: the fridge. It sets up and then smeared on crackers.

1488
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: It's delicious. Yeah, but you know, you get into the

1489
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: kind of the point of you're like your creamed cart

1490
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: because you've almost taken what it was and transformed it,

1491
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, so far to something else because you've added

1492
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: how long does it take to do that? Yunny? It

1493
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty involved process, Like are you kidding?

1494
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: It was quick and easy. That's the thing that happens

1495
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: in wild game cooking where and we thought it was

1496
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of Steve kend rots, very wonderful venison pork

1497
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: fat sausage. Is at what point is it no longer

1498
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: why old game? A quarter pound of liver in three

1499
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: quarters sticks of butter. I was still like the fact

1500
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: that it's liver makes me be like, it's extra wild game, right,

1501
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: It's like extra wild game. So I still feel like

1502
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: that counts is a wild game dish. It's very definitely

1503
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: a wild game dish. I'm glad you brought up his

1504
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 1: sausage though, because I was talking about this with your brother,

1505
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: and we're talking about like adding too much fat, wasting

1506
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of fat, right, because you end up with

1507
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: a pant that's got you know, sometimes a half inch

1508
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: of what you cook. Those sausages that I made, right,

1509
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: there's like a half inch of fat that they're floating

1510
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: in by the time you've done cook them. But I

1511
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: feel like there's something else going on inside the sausage

1512
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: that when you when you cut down the fat, because

1513
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you're thinking, like all I have here is waste, right,

1514
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: because of all this extra fat I put in here.

1515
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: But something else is going on inside that sausage. It's

1516
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: changing the character of that sausage. With that much fat

1517
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: in the right, even though it's all like there's a

1518
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: bunch left and drift down like when you cut that one, heard,

1519
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: and when you make fat, even though it's like there's

1520
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of rendered out fat, what's left over is

1521
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: a much different product. You're right, because it gets like

1522
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: I think you had once said that you described someone

1523
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: sausage as though you had browned a bunch of burger

1524
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: and crammed it into a sausage casing. Were the ones

1525
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: that being like, it's like kind of ground meat in

1526
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: a tube and the fat. You're right, even though the

1527
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: fat comes out, there's something about the high fat ratio

1528
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: that still makes it that you bite into your like

1529
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: that is sausage you guys. All right, so that's what

1530
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: you're hot onto. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna do it again

1531
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: next year, my liver pat alright. Concluders, Oh, you were

1532
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: supposed to bring something. Gonna do it right now as

1533
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: you are we doing concluders. But you were thinking about

1534
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 1: doing a segue into my concluder. But are you gonna

1535
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: segue off of the moose Heart because you could do

1536
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: a double sege. That's a double segue. Maybe you should

1537
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 1: do that? Um you think how t o? My first

1538
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: concluder is thank you to everyone for coming out tonight.

1539
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: My uh, My second concluder is, um, there's only eight

1540
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: of these chairs in existence, but these these handy Danny

1541
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: Knew yet E chairs. So these are cool, very comfortable.

1542
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: My third concluder, my third concluder is, uh, hey, Brody,

1543
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about that uh moose heart taco. You

1544
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: made me speaking of moose. We were talking to a

1545
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Colorado Parks and Wildlife officer today about other recreational users

1546
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: on public land besides hunter um and the impact they

1547
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 1: may or may not have on game and other wildlife.

1548
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: And CAL has been involved a lot with kind of

1549
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: bringing those recreational users together with hunters to like join

1550
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: up in this fight to protect our public lands, which

1551
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: got me to thinking about this thing that happened up

1552
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: I believe at Brainerd Lake, not that a couple of

1553
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: years ago um where a I think he was an

1554
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: archery hunter drew a moose tag for the Indian Peaks

1555
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: wilderness there, which is, you know, right there by Brainard

1556
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 1: Lake and legally shoots a moose within close proximity of

1557
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the trailhead. The moose kind of saunters through a meadow

1558
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: and promptly dies in front of some freaked out hikers types,

1559
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: which led to that area, like that area being closed

1560
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: within a one mile radius for moose hunting so that

1561
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: no more hiker types get traumatized by animals dieing in

1562
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: front of him, which is kind of irritates me because well,

1563
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: like also it could happen anywhere, like you know, like

1564
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: a hiker could be hiking on any chunk of public

1565
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: land and be like, oh my god, I just the

1566
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: death cycle. Yeah, what kind of place is this? And

1567
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: so like, if we're gonna share public land with these

1568
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: other recreational users, which I'm all for, we gotta share,

1569
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: right like hunt and hunting and things die. And like,

1570
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 1: I understand why it happened because it's in close proximity

1571
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: to Boulder, and but that shouldn't But that shoudn't matter. No,

1572
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that because by you Also,

1573
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: Brody provided his own counterpoint earlier that they had opened

1574
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: up like a like basically a green space cow hunt

1575
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: there that went on very well, exactly sew of you guys,

1576
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: probably from maybe some of you guys, hunted it that.

1577
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 1: When I saw it, I was like, there's no way

1578
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna pass this cow hunt, like right outside the

1579
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: city city limits a Boulder on open space like county land.

1580
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 1: There's no way it's gonna go. And it went over

1581
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: very well. You know, they reduced a heard about that

1582
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: was largely out of control because it wasn't getting hunted,

1583
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 1: and it went over. Did anyone kill him there? Anyone hunted?

1584
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Good luck? I feel like they should have charged those

1585
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: hikers more for having the experience of witnessing witnessing such

1586
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: like a rare occurrence. Yeah, like you watch it on

1587
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: you pay cable television to watch that stuff, right, you know,

1588
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: Like that's my brother was recently telling me. When he's

1589
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: watching uh animal chasing another animal heat roots for the

1590
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: animal to get away, I always find myself kinding. I

1591
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: hope he catches it. Yeah, he's like, oh man, I

1592
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: get the press like i'd be. I'd be like, go down,

1593
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: go down, go down. Yeah he got him again. No points, Nope,

1594
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: call hand out a concluder. Yeah. So, thank you guys,

1595
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: very very much for all the public landowner T shirts

1596
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: and all the compliments about our public lands and they're

1597
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: amazing and the hunt eat t shirts and it's awesome,

1598
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: and I hope you guys do more than just wear

1599
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:53,480
Speaker 1: a good looking T shirt and get involved in this process.

1600
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: It's very easy and uh to talk about this experience

1601
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: and broad he's talking about here. I think it is

1602
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 1: incredibly easy and incredibly unproductive to kind of be like,

1603
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 1: screw you, I'm a hunter and I paid for this,

1604
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: and I'm in fact I'm paying for most of you

1605
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: guys recreation opportunities. Though it's so fun and it's so easy,

1606
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: it's just not productive. So trailhead diplomacy is something I

1607
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: always talk about. Have to have a little bit of patients.

1608
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 1: You have to look at all this as learning teaching opportunity,

1609
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: learning opportunity um for both sides, and you gotta be

1610
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: willing to listen just as well as you uh explain

1611
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:46,520
Speaker 1: your position. But you know, all this stuff is uh,

1612
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:48,639
Speaker 1: we like to think of hunting as a right, but

1613
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: it's just something that we really get to go out

1614
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and enjoy. And it is a very real thing that

1615
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 1: it it could go away. We could see it happen.

1616
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: So I think all of us, as responsible human beings,

1617
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: adults and hunters, have to go out there, uh with

1618
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: a willingness to educate and make sure that this is

1619
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: around for a long long time. Yeah we did, you

1620
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: get That's a tough one to follow up on, Thank you,

1621
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 1: But it kind of thought riding on Cal's coat tails there.

1622
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,520
Speaker 1: I think back in the day here in Colorado nies

1623
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: nine fifties, we had a lot of tremendous people who

1624
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 1: were were class outdoor recreationalist ski jumpers, basically our tenth

1625
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: Mountain Division. Guys, what did they? These are all the

1626
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: original outdoor recreationalists, and that generation was also fishermen and

1627
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 1: big game hunters, and so somewhere those past recreation hunting

1628
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: and fishing of diverge. And so I think it's up

1629
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 1: to us now. It's going on with what calisin to

1630
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: kind of bring that full circle through trailhead diplomacy or

1631
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 1: otherwise and just education, recruiting new hunters. And one thing

1632
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 1: you know that I see, Uh, last year, I was

1633
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: bummed out. I was driving through northern Colorado through on

1634
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: a National Forest road and I kept driving past camp

1635
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: after camp with dudes in the middle of the afternoon.

1636
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: They're all saying, no, you didn't see a grizzly bear.

1637
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: And they're saying, there's no grizzly bearers here, and there's

1638
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: no hippies here. Um, So I was bummed out because

1639
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing any kids. I was just seeing a

1640
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes here and a bunch of dudes there.

1641
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 1: Came over the Settle Rise into patch of aspens and

1642
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: I looked up and there was two kids walking up

1643
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: the road with twenty two smiling at me. And was

1644
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: a brother and sister hunting grouse with a rifle and

1645
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: their dad walking right behind them and kind of made

1646
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: my day. And I was like, God, we need more

1647
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: of that out in the woods right now. And I

1648
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: think you know, and so you know, IM parting not

1649
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: to go too long here, but you know, um, life

1650
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: is like a toilet paper man. The more you get

1651
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: into it, the faster goes. There's so many excuses not

1652
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: to take a buddy or a new hunter, or a

1653
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: child hunting. And so you've just got to take it

1654
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 1: upon yourself to make that happen every opportunity you get,

1655
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: because every day that goes by you don't do it,

1656
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: isn't a day that you didn't take someone else and

1657
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: bring him into this room that is full of people

1658
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 1: that do what we love. So that's all I got.

1659
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: Blind getting all warm and fuzzy in here. Can't team

1660
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 1: me up something he served me up? Can team me

1661
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,759
Speaker 1: up something too? Like trying to segue you into something?

1662
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah give me Oh boy, Um, that's funny because the

1663
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,600
Speaker 1: warden today mentioned that too. Um that struck me and

1664
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 1: I think you guys heard it today where he mentioned

1665
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: that ten twenty years ago, like every camp he went to.

1666
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,679
Speaker 1: There were kids in there, and a lot of times

1667
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: it was just mom, dad and kids and and just

1668
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 1: kids that we're not even old enough to hunt. But

1669
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 1: like every camp you stop, I was like that. And

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01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 1: now they literally get on the radio and go, oh yeah,

1671
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: we just stopped at a campus and people is under

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01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 1: thirty in it. Um So he he was pointed that

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01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 1: as you know, being a factor that we don't have

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01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 1: this like younger generation coming up where we still a

1675
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: lot he said, the average age was fifty or something

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01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 1: something like that. I think there's a thing that happens

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01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 1: and I found it, and this is like just tagging

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01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: on your concluder. But the thing I found that I

1679
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it was something's changed, but I know

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01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys now that seemed to be that

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01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:43,520
Speaker 1: that there like very busy and they're kind of protective

1682
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: of these little times when they can get away, and

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01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:48,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a lot of people that

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01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be bothered by Uh, there's sort of

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01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 1: this mentality of not wanting to be like bothered by

1686
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: the annoyance of having kids, right, And so you can

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01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: I think that now they're maybe not maybe it's not

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01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 1: something new, but there's just kind of like reluctance to

1689
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: be drugged down by how I mean, they're little and

1690
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: they're hard to deal with. I have three little kids,

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01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:12,600
Speaker 1: and when when I'm fishing with them, I'm like, sometimes

1692
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: not the person I want to be a question too,

1693
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 1: and I gotta just go like okay, yeah, I usually

1694
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: don't even get to pull the trigger when I have

1695
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: my kids with me, So you can't. There's not even

1696
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 1: ratio of you know, pull to dead. Sh Yeah, you're

1697
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 1: like bullet fired deal, like no one shot. You might

1698
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: as well leave you gun at home. And then but

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01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 1: then I like I I now and then collect myself.

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01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: I remember when I was getting a vast act to

1701
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:39,560
Speaker 1: me at one point the document like this, and I

1702
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: knew I was like, why have I been laving here

1703
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 1: to twenty five minutes? But yeah, I'll be like this

1704
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 1: is my kids, be like just pulled together, pulled together,

1705
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: pulled together, and then come back out and be like, okay, everyone,

1706
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna get all these hooks out of everybody. We're

1707
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: gonna rebate, and we're gonna get back in the water man.

1708
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 1: So it's like you got to get him out yeah, yeah,

1709
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: thank you again for coming out. Yeah, I love all

1710
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: you guys. One more minute, it'll be fun. But we

1711
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: will be at the front doors season to sign some

1712
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,720
Speaker 1: books as long as we possibly can. And before you

1713
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 1: guys all get out, oh yeah, don't storm out of there.

1714
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 1: We'll be there, so you just, you know, nice and easy,

1715
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: make your way there. But before you leave your seats,

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01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: we have a couple of hats and then you'd be like,

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01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 1: hats for your hat tossed us. Oh, this is the

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01:51:35,520 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: met hats town hats. Oh my god, take up your beer. Yeah,

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01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: all right, I'm out, Thank you guys. Yeah. Dember