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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November eighteenth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: and now a guy who probably won't get a word

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Speaker 2: We are back.

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Speaker 3: It is Jaguars Happy Hour, Monday November eighteenth. The aftermath

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Speaker 3: of the Detroit debacle. Fifty two to six the final score.

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Speaker 3: We've got a busy two hours ahead. What's next for

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Speaker 3: this Jaguars team? Well, bye week is next. No changes

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Speaker 3: as of right now. Keep it real as.

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Speaker 2: We always do. In the second hour.

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Speaker 3: Fanatics, fan questions, there are plenty of those today and

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Speaker 3: they're still streaming in. And we'll go around the National

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Speaker 3: Football League. Let's hear from Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson

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Speaker 3: both last night and today, starting after the game end

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Speaker 3: Troit asked immediately about his job security.

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Speaker 4: Mhm m m hm.

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Speaker 5: And you know, listen, I've been I've been around this

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Speaker 5: league a long time, and you know, if it's gonna happen,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna happen, obviously. But but at the same time,

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Speaker 5: I still have a job to do and and and

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Speaker 5: that's to you know, you know, get ready for a

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Speaker 5: you know, a good division opponent here in two.

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Speaker 3: Weeks, and then today asked by Mark Long of the

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Speaker 3: Associated Press, who told mister Cohn it was the best

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Speaker 3: roster ever.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not privy to those conversations that Sean has or

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Speaker 5: who's who's he talking?

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Speaker 4: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I can't answer that it wasn't you.

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Speaker 1: It gets a lot of play.

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Speaker 3: This time of year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I mean you know we talked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we talk a lot. I mean we pre preseason, offseason,

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Speaker 5: I mean going into the season. You got high expectations

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Speaker 5: obviously for your football team, as you should everybody does,

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Speaker 5: start of camp, start of the regular season. And you

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Speaker 5: know rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: I said coach Doug Peterson today full press conference at

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Speaker 3: Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame left tackle Tony Boselli in studio. Pete Prisco,

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Speaker 3: CBS sports senior writer with US down in South Florida.

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Speaker 3: The Jaguars are now two and nine, guaranteed a losing record.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Pete.

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Speaker 4: Draft talk, draft talk. It's time for draft talk.

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Speaker 2: No, No, they're not mathematically eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Yet Pete, Oh my god, you're holding on. You're holding on.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to argue Pete's position at this point, even

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Speaker 6: for me, since we right now we have the number

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Speaker 6: one overall pick in the NFL draft if the season

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Speaker 6: ended today, So it's hard to argue Pete's logic.

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Speaker 2: But I'd like to hold out as long as I

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Speaker 2: absolutely we got all off season for that. Man.

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Speaker 7: I mean, never in my wildest dreams did I think

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Speaker 7: I'd see the most embarrassing day in a Detroit stadium

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Speaker 7: other than the knee. But we saw it on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: That was worse. Yeah, it was worse. It was far worse.

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Speaker 7: It was the most embarrassing loss in the history of

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Speaker 7: the franchise. There was no resistance, there was no offense,

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Speaker 7: there was no blocking, there was no tackling. They did

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Speaker 7: not one thing, well, nothing other than kickfield goals.

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Speaker 4: And that's it. I mean, it was terrible.

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Speaker 7: And Tony, I mean, nineteen eighty five, nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 7: in Detroit is now taking back seat.

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Speaker 4: To the ninth.

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Speaker 7: The twenty and twenty four Jacksonville Detroit game. You must

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Speaker 7: feel good about that, h.

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Speaker 2: No, I've been I would have been fine.

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Speaker 6: Our expansion team having the worst loss in the history

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Speaker 6: of the organization. You kind of would expect that for

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Speaker 6: an expansion team. And you know the shocking thing yesterday

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Speaker 6: I was talking to a buddy of mine, he's who

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Speaker 6: didn't see the game, and he was asking what happened,

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Speaker 6: and he said, well, how many turnovers did you guys have?

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Speaker 6: I go zero? He goes, what you have it? Fifty

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Speaker 6: two with no turnovers of it? Like, how many kick

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Speaker 6: returns did they have? Or special teams?

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Speaker 2: I go zero.

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Speaker 6: Seven straight drives open the game, seventh straight touchdowns for

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Speaker 6: those drives, Pete, they did not have a third down

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Speaker 6: on them. I mean, it was complete utter domination. And

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Speaker 6: that's the hard part it was. It was never I

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Speaker 6: mean I thought that Detroit line is a probably gonna win.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they were the better team. They're the best

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Speaker 6: team in the NFL in my opinion. I've been saying

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Speaker 6: that for weeks. And we are not a confident team.

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Speaker 6: We're not a team playing very well or without our

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Speaker 6: place to go play against a hot team, well coached,

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Speaker 6: well built, has an identity, they know who they are,

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Speaker 6: and they're playing well right now, so it.

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Speaker 2: Was an uphill battle.

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Speaker 6: But just to get I mean, that's like a college

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Speaker 6: game that's like this, that's like Alabama playing Mercer Troy State.

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Speaker 2: Right type of score.

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Speaker 7: I mean, really, I mean that's what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 7: they didn't show up. I mean, and I thought it

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Speaker 7: was I thought it was gonna be bad. I didn't

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Speaker 7: think it would be that bad. I thought it would

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Speaker 7: be like thirty eight to six or but this is awful.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just pathetic.

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Speaker 7: And you know, look, you know, you guys know how

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Speaker 7: I feel about change, and it should, it should and

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Speaker 7: it will come, I think in the organization.

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Speaker 4: But when you fire a guy in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the season.

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Speaker 7: Does that really accomplish anything? I mean, seriously, what if

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Speaker 7: this to say they did?

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 7: What is it gonna make it any better? Is it

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Speaker 7: gonna the last six games of the season. Are they

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Speaker 7: going to rally and and win a game or two?

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Speaker 6: And I think the only thing, Pete, and I'm not

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna you know you, I've said from the beginning,

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Speaker 6: our job on this show is not the higher fire

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Speaker 6: or anything else. So but in general, if you look

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Speaker 6: across the league. I think, Pete, you're right, it does

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Speaker 6: not accomplish a lot as far as development of the

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Speaker 6: team or wins or losses. Because it does. I mean,

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Speaker 6: at this point it matters to the guys in that

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Speaker 6: room as players you want to win because losing stinks.

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Speaker 6: It matters to the coaches. I mean, so I'm not

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Speaker 6: saying it doesn't matter. But at two and nine, I mean,

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Speaker 6: let's say you win the next six, you're probably still

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Speaker 2: At eight and nine, maybe you have an outside chance.

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Speaker 4: Who knows you're not You're not low problem shows you

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Speaker 4: you might win. Yeah, I don't care.

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Speaker 7: If no, no, no, I agree, morph into one.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't win one.

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Speaker 6: Well, I want to talk because there was a question

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Speaker 6: that at press conference again about play calling. We can

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Speaker 6: because you know what set that aside. Back to the

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Speaker 6: question that you asked, Pete, what is it accomplished? I

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Speaker 6: think the only thing accomplishes it's the question and stop.

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Speaker 6: That's what That's the only thing it accomplishes. So that

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Speaker 6: that which is is you know, of covering this league

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Speaker 6: can become an utter distraction in the locker room, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like everyone asks in the same question. It gets asked.

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Speaker 6: Every day, every week, over and over again. So the

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Speaker 6: only thing you accomplished by making a change mid year

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Speaker 6: is that you don't that questions off the board and everyone.

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Speaker 7: Knows already know what you know what I would do?

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Speaker 7: I would just I mean that I've made that. I've

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Speaker 7: made that point on my platforms at CBS over and

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Speaker 4: You know what I would do. I think it needs

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Speaker 4: a refresher across the board. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: sit here and just say is I'm firing him. That's

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Speaker 4: not my decision.

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Speaker 6: But you know what I would No, I know you

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Speaker 6: and I know that, Pete, But I'm just answering your question.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the only thing it accomplishes. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: people say, well you get a head start on find

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Speaker 6: your next coach, do you not? Really, because the rules

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Speaker 6: are set. I mean, unless you're going to go hire

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Speaker 6: a guy who doesn't currently have a job, but you're still.

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Speaker 2: Going to win the process.

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Speaker 6: You're still gonna go through the process after the season

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Speaker 6: have to rule, and so yeah, it doesn't.

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Speaker 7: I've never asked this because I looked on their ticket

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Speaker 7: thing doing. Don't the letters go out.

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Speaker 4: For money renewals.

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Speaker 7: If you if you're gonna renewal, you have to let

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Speaker 7: them know by the end of December if they're gonna

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Speaker 7: take it out of your check.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's something.

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Speaker 2: There's something coming. It happens every year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a letter that.

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Speaker 7: Goes out to people who currently have season tickets. It

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Speaker 7: goes out in the next couple of weeks and they

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Speaker 7: have to decide by December twenty something whether they're.

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Speaker 4: Going to renew and have that money continue to be

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Speaker 6: Of There's there's a renewal process that happens around this

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Speaker 2: I don't know the exact date. I don't know when

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Speaker 2: I looked it up.

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Speaker 4: I looked it up. It's by December.

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Speaker 7: You have to they'll get the letter and then you

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Speaker 7: have to opt out or opt in. Right, No, you

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Speaker 7: have to opt out. If you don't opt out, you're

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Speaker 7: still in. That means you're you're going for That's basically.

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Speaker 4: What it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly.

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Speaker 7: That table, that timetable's out there, and if you're if

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Speaker 7: you're the owner of the team and you're looking at

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Speaker 7: that that's concerning. I mean, that's a concerning you know,

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Speaker 7: time frame right there, because right now and you guys

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Speaker 7: are in the city.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 7: But I get a lot of pushback on X from

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Speaker 7: the Jaguar fans. They're done, they're done, and you guys

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Speaker 3: Yes, every day, all day, all the time, twenty four

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Speaker 6: But Pete, but you know, so I think the the

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Speaker 6: question stop, and I think there's always business reasons to

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Speaker 6: your point. You bring up season tickets. I don't know

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Speaker 6: when we're going out with renewals. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 6: that date is, and I don't know when the drop

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Speaker 6: dead date is. There's a lot of different things coming

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Speaker 6: up for this organization, set aside what's happening on the field,

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Speaker 6: just because with the new stadium renovations, there's going to

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Speaker 6: be obviously in twenty twenty seven, it's gonna be limited

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Speaker 2: Six, limited twenty seven, they're.

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Speaker 6: Out, twenty seven, they're out twenty eight. Is the new stadium,

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Speaker 6: thank you, JP. And so I think there's there's all

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Speaker 6: kinds of mechanics. I think it's going to be you know,

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Speaker 6: we'll see you know. I know the business side has

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Speaker 6: but there's no doubt about that. That has to weigh

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Speaker 8: Very disappointed, very very angry. Today was not our day

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Speaker 2: Yes, Tony, let's get Tony's microphone on. Yes, Oh, sorry, there.

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Speaker 6: You go, Pete picking up what I was, how we finished?

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Speaker 2: Thirty four to thirty one. That was December fourth week thirteen.

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Speaker 7: So you're coming up on a year where you were

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Speaker 7: the you were the number one seed basically with a

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Speaker 7: chance to be the number one seed. It's just to me,

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Speaker 7: they are a variety of reasons that this team has

446
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Speaker 7: fallen off a cliff.

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Speaker 4: You know, the injuries a bit a factor. Obviously with

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Speaker 4: the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: That's always going to be a factor when he's hurt

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Speaker 7: at the end of last year.

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Speaker 6: Okay, injuries are always a factor in this league, Pete.

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Speaker 6: Everyone has injuries.

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Speaker 4: Quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Quarterback is big. So you can look at the offense.

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Speaker 6: But we had all eleven We have all eleven starters.

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Speaker 6: No injuries on the defensive side that I'm aware of

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Speaker 6: that any starters missed or key backups missed the game

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Speaker 6: against Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong about that? JP? No, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you are. I think you're right.

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Speaker 7: Everybody was there, so I mean if you think, I

462
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Speaker 7: mean after we were gett blown off the ball.

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Speaker 6: So the quarterback is a big deal, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 6: And not having Trevor hurts and so you and so

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Speaker 6: you can make as you evaluate the offense. There's some

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Speaker 6: understanding of why you're struggling on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't like we were lighting it up when

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Speaker 6: Trevor were better. But we're not lighting it up when

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Speaker 6: Trevor was at the quarterback, and so I.

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Speaker 2: Agree with you.

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Speaker 6: That's a major, major loss, no doubt about it. Losing

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Speaker 6: Christian Kirk a loss big. We were without Tank Bigsby,

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Speaker 6: but technically he's your backup running back. Okay, but if

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Speaker 6: you look at the health of this team overall, take

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Speaker 6: the quarterback out. Weave that aside. Because you lose your quarterback,

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Speaker 6: that's trouble. But this is I mean, it's been a

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Speaker 6: fair I mean, you were fairly on the defensive side,

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Speaker 6: you were healthy. Now guys have bumps and bruises. But

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Speaker 6: guess what this is. This is where I have a problem.

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Speaker 6: Everybody has injuries.

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Speaker 4: Which is why Doug talking the way he did today

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Speaker 4: was weird.

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Speaker 6: That's what I understand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's given him an out. How it's sore and

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Speaker 4: tired and whatever. I mean.

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Speaker 7: Okay, they go to London. That's different than what everybody

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Speaker 7: else does. But give me a break. It's not like

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Speaker 7: they're going to London and flying over and flying back.

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Speaker 7: They're there for eight days, nine days or whatever. And

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Speaker 7: from what I understand, you guys are still at a

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Speaker 7: luxury resort. You roll out of bed and you practice

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Speaker 7: on the field. Right next to the place.

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Speaker 6: Uh is it? Is it a change of the schedule

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Speaker 6: going to London for two games? Sure, But last year

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Speaker 6: the narrative coming out of London is how good it

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Speaker 6: was for this team because it brought them together and

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Speaker 6: it was a positive talk.

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Speaker 7: At the physical and practice and stuff. What compared to

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Speaker 7: the old days. Bodies are beat up now and week

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Speaker 7: in week eleven because of the practice early in the season.

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Speaker 6: But Pete, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a different tactor

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Speaker 6: because I don't like compared to the old days, because

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Speaker 6: there's no comparison. It's a different look, it's a differently.

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Speaker 6: But here's here's my problem, Pete, Are we doing anything

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Speaker 6: different than anybody else?

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Speaker 7: No, my guess is and teams probably don't have as

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Speaker 7: long a practice as and hit as he does. You know,

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Speaker 7: there's some teams that still kind of condense it a

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Speaker 7: little bit. His practices are kind of long.

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Speaker 6: But there's also guys who who are much more physical

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Speaker 6: in this league too.

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Speaker 4: He's probably in the middle.

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Speaker 2: That's my point. I'm not like the middle of the road,

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Speaker 2: is my guest.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, there's no scientific fact, but my point

516
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Speaker 6: is everybody's sore right now.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's beat up.

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Speaker 6: Everyone has injuries.

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Speaker 2: That's the league injuries.

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Speaker 6: They were missing there one there players and broke his arm.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and they were out of Hudson. I forget

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Speaker 4: about that exactly.

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Speaker 6: Their best defensive player was out. Yeah, guess what they're

524
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Speaker 6: dealing with it. That's my point. You can't like to me,

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Speaker 6: And this is where I go back. You gotta be like, listen,

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Speaker 6: you are who you are. We all are as an individual. Like,

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Speaker 6: there's a set of things I'm dealing with, and guess

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Speaker 6: what I own it. I'm responsible for At the end

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Speaker 6: of the day, I gotta face it and I got

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Speaker 6: to deal with it, and I gotta make decisions and

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Speaker 6: I got to figure out how to get better as

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Speaker 6: an individual. That's no different than an organization.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing.

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Speaker 6: I don't care if you're it's a family, it's an individual,

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Speaker 6: a business on a business. Right now, you got to

536
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Speaker 6: look at it like what do we do?

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Speaker 4: Well, what do we do?

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Speaker 6: We gotta get better here? Whose fault is it? It's

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Speaker 6: my fault, Like I own it. It's got to get better.

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Speaker 7: Part of that equation that you're talking about, that kind

541
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Speaker 7: of staring them right in the face, because it stared

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Speaker 7: them in the face on Sunday that Lion's team was

543
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Speaker 7: bad for a long time. And if I'm not mistaken,

544
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Speaker 7: their rebuild started right about the same time.

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Speaker 4: And look where they are right now.

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Speaker 6: Well, just to give the history there, Pete, to be accurate,

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Speaker 6: because you're right, by the way, in twenty twenty one,

548
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Speaker 6: we were both looking for head coaches, big head coaching search.

549
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Speaker 6: We hired Urban Meyer. We had the first overall pick. Correct,

550
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Speaker 6: They hired Dan Campbell. They had the second overall pick.

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Speaker 6: They went on their path and journey we went on ours.

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Speaker 6: We met on the field yesterday. The result was what it.

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Speaker 2: Was met on the field in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 9: Also, by the way, is it is a big, physical,

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Speaker 9: tough football team on the offensive side, particularly, and they

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Speaker 9: the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Has a coach who plays to his strengths and knows

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Speaker 7: how to get him into the plays that need to

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Speaker 7: be made.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, let's be real.

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Speaker 7: When they put Jared Goff in there, the whole idea

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Speaker 7: was he might be the stopgap quarterback to somebody else

563
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Speaker 7: they go get and he What Ben Johnson in that

564
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Speaker 7: group and Mark Brunello have done with Ben with Jared

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Speaker 7: Goff is incredible.

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Speaker 4: You make it easy on them because they're physical in

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Speaker 4: the run game.

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Speaker 7: They can play action, they can get him outside on

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Speaker 7: bootleg and that's that offense. Okay, James and Williams can run.

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Speaker 7: Aman Rossaint Brown is a good possession receiver and a

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Speaker 7: guy who does a lot of good things in the

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Speaker 7: middle of the field. But they they're physical upfront, and

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Speaker 7: it goes back to what we always talk about, Tony,

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Speaker 7: there's only so many big people on the planet who

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Speaker 7: can play the position. They have good tackles, a great

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Speaker 7: tackle at light tackle, a really good center. Zeitler looked

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Speaker 7: like he was Zach Martin in his prime on Sunday,

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Speaker 7: blowing guys off the ball, and Glasgow, who was terrible

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Speaker 7: last week, by the way against the Texans, actually look

580
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Speaker 7: good on tape this week. That's how bad the Jyras are.

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Speaker 7: But that line is good and it's all predicated off

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Speaker 7: of those five.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing.

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Speaker 7: Jared Goff's good because they can run it. They can

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Speaker 7: run it because those guys are good. They can hit

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Speaker 7: those shots down the field that take time because they

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Speaker 7: can protect them. That's the reason that's a good offense.

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Speaker 4: Pete.

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Speaker 2: You know how I feel. I mean, I'm a broken record.

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Speaker 6: I mean the way if I had a nickel for

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Speaker 6: every time, you build it front to back on both sides,

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Speaker 6: and the toughness of a team is driven by the

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Speaker 6: offensive line.

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Speaker 2: It's always been like that every team I've been on.

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Speaker 4: Provided you have the quarterback, you have to have the

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Speaker 4: quarter No.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying the overall toughness, the physicality.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, like, if you had five really good

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Speaker 7: offensive linemen and a crappy quarterback, you're.

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Speaker 4: Still not winning.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're winning, but you can be physical

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Speaker 6: right the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Okay, but I'll give you an example. Put mac Jones

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Speaker 7: on the Lions. They ain't winning, okay. And by the way,

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Speaker 7: and by the way, Tony, your whole theory before the season,

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Speaker 7: maybe he plays and you can trade him for you

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Speaker 7: get something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I was probably wrong trending the right

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Speaker 6: direction the current.

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Speaker 4: Does he even put the ball in play down the sideline?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what is he doing?

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Speaker 2: He had a rough day.

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Speaker 3: Let's come back and we'll get a little deeper into

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Speaker 3: that quarterback conversation around Trevor Lawrence and his left shoulder

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Speaker 3: injury and the bye week and the week's remaining in the.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't look at anything.

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Speaker 10: I don't have social media, so I just focused on

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Speaker 10: It's a great coach, and obviously it's not going our

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Speaker 10: of men, and we're gonna keep working and figure it out,

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Speaker 10: and I think the bye week is a good opportunity

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Speaker 3: Well that was Mac Jones two straight weeks as a

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Speaker 3: starter for the Jaguars. We go into the bye week now,

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and that left shoulder injury. I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 3: be reevaluated and we'll see moving ahead coming out of

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Speaker 3: does he play? If he's not healthy, what do you

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Speaker 6: A lot of questions, Well, let's start, let's start there

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Speaker 6: and we can talk about Mac Jones.

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Speaker 2: In a bit.

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Speaker 6: Let me just say one thing, but Mac, I wish

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Speaker 6: it was going better just because he's Jacksonville kid, Jacksonville guy.

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Speaker 6: Shouldn't him a kid? A man? Jacksonville guy, you know,

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Speaker 6: so you're always rooting for the home town individual to

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Speaker 6: have success, and it just has not gone well blest

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Speaker 6: couple of weeks. It's not all it's not all on him, obviously,

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Speaker 6: it's the team not playing very well.

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Speaker 2: It's it's too bad as far as Trevor.

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Speaker 6: We don't really even know the severity of the injury,

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Speaker 6: and so I think the philosophy should be moving forward

665
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Speaker 6: is you make whatever decision is best for the organization,

666
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: and what's best for the organization is having a healthy

667
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence for the long run going and especially going

668
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Speaker 6: to next year. We talked about this a couple of

669
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Speaker 6: weeks ago, because we don't know the severity, but if

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Speaker 6: it's a severe injury where he does need surgery, even

671
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Speaker 6: if he can play through it at this point, but

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Speaker 6: he needs surgery in the offseason, I think you have

673
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Speaker 6: to have a long conversation with Trevor, his camp, your team, doctor,

674
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Speaker 6: doctor Kaplan. I think ownership needs to be probably involved

675
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 6: in that. Sure, obviously the coach, the GM, everybody, and

676
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: you need to look at it and say what's best

677
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: for the organization, what's best for Trevor, because those things

678
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 6: should be aligned number one. He's your franchise quarterback. You

679
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 6: paid him a quarter of a billion dollars. He is

680
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Speaker 6: going to be here and he's going to be taking

681
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Speaker 6: snaps from hopefully for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And at two and nine.

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Speaker 6: Right now, again, as a player, you got to think

684
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: about winning the game and all that kind of stuff,

685
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 6: no doubt about. They're to be focused in fighting through it,

686
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 6: not thinking about next year. But I think as a

687
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 6: leadership you need to look at the long run at

688
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Speaker 6: the same time because of where you are right now,

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Speaker 6: and you have to look at the risk of what's

690
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Speaker 6: the risk of injuring it? Further, what does that mean

691
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Speaker 6: anytime you step on the field, there's risk of injury.

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Speaker 6: So but now he hasn't an acute injury, and.

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Speaker 7: What pattern it's a pattern injury because it's the same

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Speaker 7: one he had last year.

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Speaker 2: And if it's something that needs surgery, do it now.

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Speaker 6: Aren't we better off doing that right now so that

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Speaker 6: he has a healthy offseason so that we can be

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Speaker 6: ready for next year. Because what you don't want to

699
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Speaker 6: do is fight through it and maybe you get a

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Speaker 6: couple extra wins because Trevor's your quarterback, But now it

701
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Speaker 6: impacts all of the off season, which impacts next season,

702
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Speaker 6: and you can't.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think you can do that.

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Speaker 7: And so that's by the way, Tony, if he had surgery,

705
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Speaker 7: that also speeds up I mean, it speeds up the

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Speaker 7: timetable for whoever does if they do make a change,

707
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Speaker 7: which they probably will, on what he can do with

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00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 7: the in you know, with the new offensive minds and

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Speaker 7: the new and the new system. Because if he has

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Speaker 7: surgery after the season, then he's going to be down

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Speaker 7: for a while. Yeah, so I think I think in

712
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 7: my mind there's if he needs surgery, and we don't

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Speaker 7: know that, but no idea. But also he didn't get

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Speaker 7: surgery last year and he had the same injury again,

715
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Speaker 7: so maybe he does need surgery.

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Speaker 6: Do you know the injury because I actually don't know

717
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Speaker 6: the exact injury. I just know it's a left shoulder.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it's a labor a joint. I

719
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Speaker 6: don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's an AC joint.

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Speaker 7: But but either way, if he needs the surgery, and okay,

722
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Speaker 7: let's just say a year ago. I'm not a doctor,

723
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Speaker 7: but he didn't have the surgery a year ago, and

724
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 7: he heard it again, and so maybe surgery fixes it finally,

725
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 7: once and for all.

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Speaker 4: And if that's the case, go fix it and come back.

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Speaker 7: Everything's new. Next year, it'll all be new. He's gonna

728
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Speaker 7: probably be learning a new offense, and you'd want him

729
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 7: healthy learning a new offense. What's the point of him

730
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Speaker 7: playing through an injured shoulder with a team's two to nine.

731
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Speaker 7: There's no reason for it, zero other than the fact

732
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Speaker 7: that maybe he's a competitor. And I get it from

733
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Speaker 7: that standpoint, but I think rational minds would sit there.

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Speaker 4: And tell him shut it down and have the surgery.

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Speaker 7: If you do need surgery, and if there's a surgery

736
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Speaker 7: that can fix it once and for all, he certainly

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Speaker 7: should have that surgery.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's say this if for the other side of

739
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: this thing, if he's rested for two weeks, almost three

740
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Speaker 3: weeks and comes back and it's improved and it's getting

741
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: healthier and it's trending the right way. I mean, if

742
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Speaker 3: he's healthy, in theory, you should play, right, absolutely, But

743
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: here's the thing.

744
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: It goes back.

745
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Speaker 6: If he doesn't need surgery and he can, it's gonna

746
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 6: heal on its own. Yes, you play when you're healthy

747
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 6: that's what you get paid to do.

748
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

749
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Speaker 6: We're not going to protect a guy who's healthy for them.

750
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Speaker 6: That's not how you do it. My point is is

751
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 6: this is where you almost have to take it. If

752
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 6: he needs surgery, you got to take it out of

753
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: Trevor's hands almost because he is a competitor. I know Trevor.

754
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 6: He wants to play, he wants to be out there.

755
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 6: He's a tough he's a tough kid. He's a and

756
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Speaker 6: again I just keep on say kid, because there's so

757
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 6: much younger man. He's a tough dude. He is like

758
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 6: he wants he's a grinder, he wants to be out there.

759
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: And this is where it's about. It's leadership, and this

760
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 6: is where the organization has to come. Step back, get

761
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 6: his team, get the doctor, if you need a second opinion,

762
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: get your you know, ownership, GimC everyone, and what is

763
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 6: best for the organization. What's the best for Trevor. If

764
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: he needs surgery and it's gonna make him healthy and

765
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 6: this isn't gonna be a reoccurring injury, then let's do

766
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 6: it now because that's the best thing for the organization

767
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 6: based on where we are right now. If it is

768
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Speaker 6: something that will heal on its own and there's no

769
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 6: surgery required, then he goes out there once he's healthy

770
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 6: and ready to go.

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Speaker 7: But if it's the same injury that he didn't have

772
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Speaker 7: surgery on last year and it happened again, then obviously

773
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 7: that would be an issue too going forward.

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Speaker 6: Well, people, we don't know. Yeah, I'm just saying, but

775
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 6: that's a doctor's decision. A doctor has to tell us, saying,

776
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 6: tell me the prognosis.

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Speaker 2: And I'm probably not one doctor. He'll probably get multiple.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you've invested a quarter of a billion dollar in

779
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 6: the most important player in your organization. You're starting quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Shut it down, Shut it down, Shut it down.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure I agree with you, Pete. You got

782
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Speaker 6: to find out what the what is the prognosis, what's

783
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: the injury? We are Pete, I agree one thousand percent

784
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Speaker 6: on If it is an injury that needs surgery to

785
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 6: heal completely.

786
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Speaker 2: Then you do it now.

787
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 6: If it is something that will heal by itself, then

788
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 6: when he's ready to go, he plays.

789
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Speaker 4: But here's the other part of that sort. He played

790
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: through something last year.

791
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 7: He played through that last year, and there was some

792
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 7: theory that he should have played through it, and that's

793
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 7: part of the reason they went and got mac Jones

794
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 7: because they didn't like what they had CJ. Bether and

795
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 7: so he forced himself back out on the field too soon.

796
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Speaker 4: But there's risk with that too.

797
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 6: There is pete. But this is where it's about the

798
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 6: leadership of the organization, stepping back and making a leadership.

799
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Speaker 7: An organization is the owner because the other guys might

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Speaker 7: not be here.

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Speaker 6: So I think I said ownership should be involved in

802
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Speaker 6: this decision.

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Speaker 2: I agree the.

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Speaker 7: Should make They should make the decision in concert with

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Speaker 7: him and his representatives and his family.

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Speaker 3: There were a couple positive yesterday guys, think of one two.

829
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Speaker 3: In my opinion too, the specialists were really good yesterday.

830
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: The kicker Cam Little hit a fifty nine, tied a

831
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 3: franchise long. I was opening driving than the punter.

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna interrupt you. I can't do this, but

833
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 6: I can't go back to an era where a favorite

834
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 6: player and the guy who performed every week was Josh Goby.

835
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Speaker 2: I refuse, I'm not doing it.

836
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Speaker 6: I'm not like Cam Little's great, great fifty nine year

837
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Speaker 6: congratulations we lost fifty two to six.

838
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Speaker 2: I don't care.

839
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 4: I like Logan when you're pumping up special team.

840
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Speaker 6: Logan Cook is a great punter. Guess what, I don't

841
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 6: want to hear about it, right because I've been a

842
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 6: part of this organization since nineteen ninety five, sans two

843
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 6: years at the Texas I was still a Jaguar at

844
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 6: hard and.

845
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Speaker 4: I what you want playing?

846
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point.

847
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you reminding me. Yeah, I'm gonna tell

848
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 6: a story about that because it goes back to Trevor Lawrence.

849
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 6: I mean finished this point. First is the there was

850
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 6: a time here where Josh Gobe was the best player.

851
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 6: Well that's everyone, That's all anyone.

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00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Talked about in the two thousands.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like, I don't want to do that. Nothing.

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 6: I love Josh, great guy, great golfer, good guy, fun,

855
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 6: Cam Little, I don't know, heck of a kicker, good rookie,

856
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 6: Logan Cook, stud maybe one of the best athletes on

857
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: the team. That can we not talk about that?

858
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: That's the turn game has been pretty good too, so

859
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 7: give he Farr has done a nice job with that group.

860
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 6: He far was a good coach. They're producing. I don't

861
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 6: want to talk about that when we lose fifty two

862
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 6: to six one if they just kicked extra points and

863
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 6: didn't they didn't count their touchdowns, they would have beat us. Correct,

864
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 6: Let's let's not talk about that's not a positive to me.

865
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: Yes, it is a positive one sense. But I just I.

866
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Speaker 4: Can't like, are there any positives? Uh?

867
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: Listen, Brian Thomas Junior is a good player.

868
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 4: Travon Walker was actually a decent player on Sunday.

869
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's guys who play hard.

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00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 7: He plays hard. He was physically matched up. I mean

871
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 7: that's a tough tackle. He's matched up again player. Yeah,

872
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 7: and and there were a couple of decent plays by

873
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 7: Hines heinz Allen. But yeah, those are good for the

874
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 7: most part. Those two guys have been playing all year.

875
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 7: But that's the problem. They're only they're the only two

876
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 7: in a lot of situations.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the three first round picks, by

878
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: the way, Brian Thomas and the two edge guys.

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Speaker 6: Pete, going back to your what you were taught because

880
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 6: you hammered the home. The you hammered home the point

881
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 6: at the end of the last segment that ownership needs

882
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 6: to make a decision about Trevor Lawrence and then.

883
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: You know, be part of it. Be part of it.

884
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but have a loud voice.

885
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 6: Correct, So I'm not so I thought about this when

886
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 6: Pete said I didn't play because he's right at the Texans.

887
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 6: My shoulder was trashed. And I remember I was trying

888
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 6: to play the first year I was there. I couldn't

889
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 6: lift my left arm above my waist. Basically, I made

890
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Speaker 6: them make me a brace where I could have my

891
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 6: arm up so I could pass walk. And I tried

892
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 6: to practice the first nightmare and it was so miserbized

893
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 6: and so much pain. I practiced. I tried, and I'll

894
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 6: never forget. I got called into a meeting. It was

895
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 6: Don Capers, who's the head coach. It was the team doctor,

896
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 6: it was Charlie Castley, the GM, and the head trainer, Kevin.

897
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, this the manor Kevin and the owner Bob McNair.

898
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 6: We're in this big office for big conference room, big table,

899
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 6: and we're all sitting around there and I was like,

900
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 6: I felt like crap number one, because I'm there to

901
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 6: play football. It's the thing I love to do, and

902
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 6: my body was just the surgery wasn't working, and and

903
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was walking into. And we

904
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 6: sit down and Bob McNair, who since passed away. The

905
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: first thing he says. He says, listen, I want to

906
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 6: hear the only thing I want to start with what

907
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 6: is best for Tony Biselli and him getting healthy and

908
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 6: him be able to play here. That's all I want

909
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 6: to know. And ultimately it was Bob McNair's decision of

910
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 6: how we what steps we took next. Now much different.

911
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 6: I wasn't the franchise quarterback. They had invested two hundred

912
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 6: and fifty million in me or nothing.

913
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 4: What did they tell you to do?

914
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: They told me, Bob mcnarre says, we're gonna shut him down.

915
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 6: Let's go do another surgery. So I had a third surgery,

916
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 6: trying to repair the damage that had been done and

917
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Speaker 6: and to rehabit and try to come back and be

918
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 6: ready for the off season, which I went through the

919
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 6: off season, and the shoulders obviously never came back. I

920
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 6: never even got back to fifty percent strengthen it, and

921
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 6: uh it's that was it.

922
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: But I did.

923
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 6: I'll never forget that. It was the only like I mean,

924
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 6: I Bob, I team around, I mean, mister McNair, I mean,

925
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 6: team around is very nice.

926
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: But I got called in the meeting.

927
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 6: He was sitting at the head table and he was

928
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 6: making the decision because it was an important decision for

929
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Speaker 6: the franchise.

930
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: And I'm going, and this is.

931
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Speaker 4: What jefnee surgery. They need to do the exact same

932
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: thing to him.

933
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think in whatever Shod style, it doesn't

934
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 6: I mean, that was mister McNair's style.

935
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Speaker 2: That's how he did.

936
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Speaker 6: It's fine, But the principle is the same. There's certain

937
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 6: big decisions for an organization and this is one of them.

938
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 6: He's our franchise quarterback, and I think it's an organizational decision.

939
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Speaker 6: And obviously the head of this organization is the owner,

940
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 6: Shod Cohn. And so my guess is I he should be.

941
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Speaker 7: In doctor doctor Trevor Lawrence, owner go in the room

942
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 7: and they have to decide what's best for him.

943
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 6: Well, but I think you should have you should have

944
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 6: your trainer in there, you should talk about the rehab trainer.

945
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 6: You should have I mean yeah, But my point is

946
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 6: there's certain decisions.

947
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: Should the coach and the GM be in there.

948
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 6: That's a Shod con decision.

949
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you knew when you went in, Charlie

950
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: going to be there. They were going to be there, right.

951
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 6: It was year one.

952
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: The expansion that's what I mean.

953
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: They we're going to be there. That's different, and so

954
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 7: that's why it's a different scenario. But there's no doubt

955
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 7: that shod Con should be involved in this decision.

956
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 6: In my guess, Pete and I don't know this, my

957
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 6: guess he is. I just think this is such a

958
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: big decision because Trevor, I guarantee you knowing him and

959
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 6: I don't know him super well, but I know him

960
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 6: well enough that dude's a competitor. And all you have

961
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 6: to do.

962
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: Is look what he did last year was putting himself

963
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: out there.

964
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 7: With shouldn't have played a couple of those games, and

965
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 7: so barely practice, could fairly practice, right, That's right.

966
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 6: So that's a big decision coming up. We'll see.

967
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: We've got plenty ahead.

968
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Speaker 3: One hour down, one hour to go. We'll keep it

969
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Speaker 3: real when we come back. We will get fanatics, fan questions,

970
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: we'll go around the National Football League. That's all coming

971
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 3: up an hour two. This is Jaguars Happy Hour, presented

972
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Speaker 3: by Jeto Loan.

973
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Speaker 4: I think you.

974
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: Gotta be really, really careful when you start pointing fingers

975
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 5: at certain people. It's a dangerous thing, and I'm not

976
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: gonna do that not doing it, not right now, because

977
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 5: that's as a head coach in this league that's going

978
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: through what we're going through. You're you're you're pointing a

979
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 5: finger and if it's going to be pointed and pointed

980
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Speaker 5: at me, start with me, right.

981
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: So that's enough on mat That's head coach Doug Peterson

982
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 3: earlier today. It is the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour,

983
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: presented by Mister Chubby's Wings.

984
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: Before the game, after the game, and during the game.

985
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: We're on ten to nextlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars Youtubejay P. Shadwick,

986
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco Lions fifty two Jaguars six, the

987
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: worst loss in Jaguars franchise history, on a day that

988
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Speaker 3: reports Sworld pregame of possible changes pending the result of

989
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: that game, status quo as of right now going through Monday.

990
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: The Lions scored touchdowns on the first seven possessions and

991
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: scored on all eight possessions before the kneel down in

992
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: their ninth and final possession of the game, and a

993
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: massive margin of yardage difference one of the largest in

994
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: league history, the most yards ever gained by the Lions

995
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: in ninety five seasons, their ninety first season in the

996
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: city of Detroit, the second most allowed by the Jaguars ever,

997
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: the most in a non overtime game. And the Jaguars

998
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 3: are now guaranteed a losing record this year or their

999
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: ninth loss two and nine overall record. The bye week

1000
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: coming up this week and then six games to go.

1001
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: That about sums it up. Doug Peterson spoke with the

1002
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Speaker 3: media today. The locker room was open as well, and

1003
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: so we move forward into the bye week, and those

1004
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: are the final availabilities of the week, by the way,

1005
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: and the Doug Peterson went today and the locker room today,

1006
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: no locker room tomorrow.

1007
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: So that's where we are.

1008
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they closed it down for the week. They're done, right,

1009
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: They come in tomorrow and barely do something, then they're done.

1010
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 10: That's it.

1011
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 4: He gave the week off.

1012
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: That's right. Yep, that's what he said today.

1013
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: Okay, nothing like nothing like regroupment after a loss.

1014
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 6: I did it. I did Pete. I did appreciate. I

1015
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 6: liked that how Doug handled that. Everyone wants blood. They

1016
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 6: fire Ryan Nielsen, fire press tail or, fire this person.

1017
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do it.

1018
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 2: I'm not pointing fingers he was asked about.

1019
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: He pointed himself, and you gotta give himredit for that.

1020
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: I do.

1021
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 2: I give a ton of credit.

1022
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he could have.

1023
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 7: I mean he's laid out people before in an indirect way,

1024
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 7: but and some of his players at times.

1025
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: But he handled this one the right way. I thought.

1026
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: I thought he handled it. Said, look at me, I'm

1027
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: the head coach. Blame me. So there you go, blame him.

1028
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 4: I mean, the.

1029
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 7: Messages ultimately falls at the foot of the foot at

1030
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 7: the head coach.

1031
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 4: It always does.

1032
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's how this league works, Bete.

1033
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 7: You know that, of course, of course, and and you know,

1034
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 7: look when things fall apart to this degree, it's a

1035
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 7: bunch of reasons. It's the roster, it's the injury to

1036
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 7: the quarterback, it's the head coach, and and who he

1037
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 7: brought in to be his assistance. I mean, it's all

1038
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 7: it is all tied together. But you know, the whole

1039
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 7: thing with the greatest roster in Jaguars history, I mean,

1040
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 7: give me a break.

1041
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 4: That was foolish to say. Then whoever told them that

1042
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 4: it was foolish to say?

1043
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 7: But you know, because there's been some good teams in

1044
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 7: the history of this franchise, and believe me, I've been

1045
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 7: around it since the beginning. There were teams that were

1046
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 7: a lot better than this on paper going into the season.

1047
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 7: And that's why when those comments are made and it

1048
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Speaker 7: gets to this point, I mean, that's when you call

1049
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 7: it the worst season in the history of the franchise.

1050
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 7: I mean, I thought they would be a playoff team.

1051
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 7: I didn't think they'd win the division, but I thought

1052
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 7: they'd be a playoff team.

1053
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: Tony, you thought they'd be a playoff team.

1054
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 6: Well, I think what we talked about, Pete, if we

1055
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Speaker 6: can go back, I can't remember it. I thought the

1056
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 6: ceiling was eleven, the floor was seven, and I thought

1057
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 6: we because we talked about it all training camp, it

1058
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 6: was they didn't make huge.

1059
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Speaker 2: Changes from last year.

1060
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Speaker 6: And if you look at the free agents, really the

1061
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: only impactful free agent, in my opinion, is miss Morris.

1062
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Speaker 2: MHM at center.

1063
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: By the way, gave Davis done for the year now

1064
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: the niscus injury, yep, unfortunately.

1065
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Speaker 6: And so but yeah, I thought they would be what

1066
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 6: I what we said on the show is the season started, Pete.

1067
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 6: If you remember, I thought they'd be playing games in

1068
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 6: December with a chance to win the division and go

1069
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Speaker 6: to the playoffs.

1070
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought, like, that's like, that's who

1071
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: this team was.

1072
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 6: It's because I thought Houston was good and I thought

1073
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 6: going into December, you'd be fighting to you know, be

1074
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 6: a neck and neck race to win the division in December.

1075
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I was wrong. I did not

1076
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: see it.

1077
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Speaker 7: I did not see it actually be a and this

1078
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 7: would actually if you were ready good, this was a

1079
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 7: year to be good because the division isn't that good.

1080
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 4: No, but I we all thought it was going to

1081
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 4: be good and it's not.

1082
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Speaker 6: I want to go back to the best team ever

1083
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 6: comment that Shod made and just because I'm almost positive

1084
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 6: he was referring to the best roster since he's been

1085
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 6: the owner.

1086
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: Correct, but that's not what he said.

1087
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 6: But that's what he meant, I believe, And fairness to Shod,

1088
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 6: and I don't know who told him that.

1089
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 7: Well, whoever told HiMAT told him he was probably the

1090
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 7: best roster they've ever had, and he doesn't know.

1091
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 6: And it's unfair to say Shod was referring back to

1092
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 6: the team in the nineties or early and so I

1093
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 6: want to make sure because he gets a lot of

1094
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 6: heat for that comment. I'm not saying I agreed with it.

1095
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, let's put in the proper context of

1096
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Speaker 6: what I believe he was saying is he's been the

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00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 6: owner for thirteen years now, I believe, and in the

1098
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 6: thirteen years as a owner, he felt like it was

1099
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 6: or whoever told him that it was the best roster

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00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 6: that they've.

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00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 4: Had, and that was a lie.

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Speaker 6: Pete, I'm uh, even if it was true, I don't

1103
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 6: like the comment.

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00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, but are they better than the Okay,

1105
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 7: the team that went to the championship game?

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00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: Is it better than that team?

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00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Twenty defense?

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00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 6: And the offensive line isn't as good as that offensive line?

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00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 8: No?

1110
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 4: And the quarterback's better?

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00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks better is the running backs?

1112
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 4: Four? Nette was pretty good that year?

1113
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 2: Was that year. Receivers are better on this.

1114
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: Roster, but as a whole, that team was better. And

1115
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 4: that's not counting any of the teams.

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 7: And if you want to go back to like the

1117
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 7: Del Rio teams, that what the Pittsburgh wanted the playoffs,

1118
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 7: that those teams were better. And when to go back

1119
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 7: even further, you go to your teams, they were significantly better.

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Speaker 4: So whoever told.

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Speaker 7: Him that sold him a back of goods, because he's

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 7: not going to make that statement on his own.

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00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 4: He's just not. He's not.

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00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 7: I've been around Shot enough, and I don't know him well,

1125
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 7: but I've been around him enough to know that he

1126
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 7: wouldn't make that statement on his own without somebody telling

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00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 7: him that. Yeah, I have no idea, and soever told

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00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 7: him that probably told him it's the best roster in

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00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 7: the history of the franchise. But that person doesn't know

1130
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 7: because I haven't been around long enough. So to criticize

1131
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 7: Sean for saying it. Should he have said it?

1132
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: No?

1133
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 7: Should he have said it based on what the He's

1134
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 7: saying something that somebody he trusted told him and that's why.

1135
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: He believed it.

1136
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 7: And whoever told him that didn't do the coaching staff

1137
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 7: any favors. So I mean, think about that. If you're

1138
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 7: the coach of that team and they come out and

1139
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 7: they say it's the greatest roster that this franchises ever

1140
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 7: have and you're two and nine, or you're even when

1141
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 7: you're two and four or whatever they were, that blame.

1142
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 4: Clearly goes to you. So again I go back, I

1143
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 4: don't know who told them, but I have an idea.

1144
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1145
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 4: Yes you do, Yes you do.

1146
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 6: I don't, Pete, I don't.

1147
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: I don't like to speculate.

1148
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 6: Speculating, speculating and assuming gets you in trouble.

1149
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think it was his that he went

1150
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 7: with it, do you. I don't think Sean's barber told

1151
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 7: him that and he went with it.

1152
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 4: Maybe he's captain.

1153
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 7: Did his boat captain tell him, Hey, seod I've been

1154
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 7: around football a long time.

1155
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: I know him. You're a boat captain.

1156
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 7: But by the way, you know, this is the greatest

1157
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 7: roster we've ever had in the history of the franchise.

1158
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go with that. I'm gonna go with that.

1159
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 7: Maybe it was, let's see, boat captain, boat mechanic. Maybe

1160
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 7: he told him. Maybe he was a boat mechanic, who knows.

1161
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 7: Maybe it was somebody in the bumper industry, who knows.

1162
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 7: But whoever it was, he trusted him. He trusted him.

1163
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 7: But I guarantee you none of those people know that.

1164
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 7: And whoever told him that didn't know what he was

1165
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 7: saying either.

1166
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: He was only trying to make himself look better.

1167
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 6: Figure it out anyway.

1168
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: So anyway, by the way, mister Chubby's food option today.

1169
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 6: No good, mister Chummies.

1170
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: One of the guys at the bar.

1171
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 3: Told him, you never know, uh, mister Chuffy wings before

1172
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: the game, after the game, and during the game the

1173
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: chicken parm sandwiches.

1174
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: Tonight, Pete, right up your alley.

1175
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 4: Oh lovely, Pete.

1176
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 6: How was your diet and weight loss? Weight game during

1177
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 6: fatball season? Fat ball season impacting you?

1178
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: Nothing? Have a game to pound you.

1179
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 6: My scale broke at the house, like, not broke, it

1180
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 6: ran out of battery off. No, no, no, the batteries

1181
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 6: ran out. I haven't replaced them in like ten days,

1182
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 6: ten days ago. I was fine, although I did have

1183
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 6: a feast in Detroit, a feast.

1184
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 7: Were you Were you with Fragie when you had the

1185
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 7: feast because he put his on Twitter.

1186
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: I was at the same restaurant, but not eating with Frank.

1187
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: Oh you were probably getting sponsored free food.

1188
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that absolutely.

1189
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 6: I'm telling you what I ate six thousand calories.

1190
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: You probably ate steak and vegetables and good calories.

1191
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh, there were some bad calories in their two peas.

1192
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: There might have been some massed potatoes and cheesecake and

1193
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 6: peanut butter cake.

1194
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 7: And like if I talk to people, they bump into you, Tony,

1195
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 7: like in the press box whatever.

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 4: And I talked to them after the fact, they go,

1197
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: oh my god, you don't even they don't even recognize you.

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 4: How skinny you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel good. I've been It's good.

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 6: But no, you know the other thing, because I listen

1201
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 6: back in the day, the year of the Detroit Lions

1202
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 6: went oh to sixteen, I was working for Fox on

1203
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: the bottom crew. So you know how many games I

1204
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 6: did Detroit Lions that year, quite a few of them.

1205
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 6: And to see that stadium rock the way it is

1206
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 6: now is remarkable. That place is humming, and that city

1207
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 6: is excited, and it shows you. And this is why

1208
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 6: this team is so important to this community, into the city.

1209
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 6: It really changes things. When you have a winning team,

1210
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 6: it changes the community. It changes the excitement and energy.

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00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 6: And you could feel it in Detroit just being around Saturday,

1212
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 6: and I mean, people are just excited. I went to breakfast,

1213
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 6: I went to breakfast, got up early and went to

1214
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 6: breakfast with Mark that morning before the game, and there

1215
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 6: was a line outside the place we went. Thankfully he

1216
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 6: got reservations. But everybody we're in Detroit Lions gear, I

1217
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 6: mean just pumped, excited and so winning matters. It matters

1218
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 6: for the organization, it matters for the city, obviously your

1219
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 6: fan base. It's a big deal and you can see

1220
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 6: it happening right in front of our eyes. And what

1221
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 6: Detroit's done and how they've changed the entire narrative. I

1222
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 6: mean my whole time. I mean Sands, the Barry Sanders

1223
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 6: years where they were kind of middle of the road

1224
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 6: fighting for wild card spots. Most of my life, the

1225
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 6: Lions were like the doormat.

1226
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, most of my life. I'm a lot older than you.

1227
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 7: They've been a doormat.

1228
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 6: And they changed it. They've changed the narrative that place.

1229
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 6: They've changed the perception.

1230
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 7: And Jyguar fans have cat envy because the Lions. The

1231
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 7: Lions have done it in four years. They've done exactly

1232
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 7: what you're supposed to do, is flip that organization completely around.

1233
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 6: When it can be done here, Pete, it can be

1234
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 6: done here.

1235
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: When when eight and one is the best start since

1236
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty four, that tells you real Bobby Lane was

1237
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: the quarterback. Doak Walker was the running back of the.

1238
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 7: The Curse of Bobby Lane for all those years. Remember

1239
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 7: that's what they could. They've they've over unless they win

1240
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 7: it all. Though the curse of Bobby Lane lives on,

1241
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 7: this team is capable of winning it all.

1242
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: I just wish they had Hutchinson. If they had Hutchinson,

1243
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: they could win it. I think they'd be the is.

1244
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 6: Or isn't there a chance he can come back for

1245
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 6: the playoffs? Play super by the super Bowl? I think

1246
01:00:59,640 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 6: got it.

1247
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: Imagine running out of the tunnel of the Super Bowl

1248
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: in New Orleans, first game back.

1249
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: What if it's Detroit Buffalo in the Super Bowl.

1250
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 7: Can you imagine one fan base is finally going to

1251
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 7: get their misery ended?

1252
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: Think about that?

1253
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: Putting ahead, let's come back. We'll keep it real. We've

1254
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: been faking it for an hour and fifteen minutes.

1255
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: Until right now, or at least a couple of minutes

1256
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: from right now and a little later. Fanatics, fan questions.

1257
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: We'll go around the National Football League as well. After

1258
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: a Jaguars loss in Detroit fifty two to six, the

1259
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: final score in Week eleven, it's Jaguars Happy Hour presented

1260
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: by mister Chubby's Wing.

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01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 7: I'll say this, and I told the team this today.

1262
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 5: I told to him after the game that the team

1263
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 5: that was out there yesterday that was not us. That's

1264
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 5: not who we are, that's not who stand for. There's

1265
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 5: enough pride in that locker room, enough pride on the

1266
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 5: coaching staff to whether we win, you know, whether we

1267
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 5: win the game or not.

1268
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: Right how we.

1269
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 5: Performed, it's not who we are. It's not who we are.

1270
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 5: It's it's not how I coach, it's not how.

1271
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: We prepared during the week.

1272
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: It's not how the players practice and what they put

1273
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 5: their bodies through.

1274
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: Said coach Doug Peterson earlier today and the full press

1275
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: conference at Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube. It is

1276
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick with Hall of Famer Tony

1277
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 3: Busselli and CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco time for

1278
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 3: Keeping it Real, presented by Nobody. And we get into

1279
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: the defense today. They gave up over six hundred yards

1280
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: of offense yesterday. They entered the game last in the

1281
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: league in total defense, and of course that just got worse.

1282
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: But there have been moments in.

1283
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: Recent weeks where they've kept this team and this struggling

1284
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 3: offense at least with an opportunity to be in a

1285
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: game late. However, they're still giving up four hundred yards

1286
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: doing it. So they're last in the league or near

1287
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: the bottom, and most of the important metrics they're downs

1288
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: total defense, past defense. How do they come back from

1289
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: that kind of effort?

1290
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 6: Where are we at time of possession? Because oh gosh,

1291
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 6: I bet we're way down there. I'll check it anyway.

1292
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm just curious, how do they come back from that

1293
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: kind of effort, especially on defense and results Sunday? Or

1294
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: is this kind of what it's gonna be down the

1295
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: stretch or is this what to expect moving forward from

1296
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: the defense?

1297
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 6: Peter, I'll let you take the first shot.

1298
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 7: Well, if you don't get off blocks and you're not

1299
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 7: physical in the middle, you're not gonna you're not gonna

1300
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 7: win time of possession. You're not gonna be able to

1301
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 7: rush the pass or the way you should be able

1302
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 7: to rush the passer. And you're gonna give up a

1303
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 7: lot of big plays off of play action.

1304
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: And that's what they do.

1305
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 7: They give up a ton of big plays and this

1306
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 7: defense gets run on.

1307
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I tweeted out a picture. I don't know

1308
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 4: if you guys saw it.

1309
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: I did.

1310
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 7: I mean I could have got on my hands and

1311
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 7: knees and crawled through there for a yard.

1312
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: I mean, it's incredible.

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Speaker 7: And then it was all game long, the interior middle

1314
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 7: part of that offensive line just got pushed back and

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 7: pushed back, and he got bodies on They got him

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01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 7: on double teams back to the linebackers, and the linebackers

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 7: couldn't get free and make plays. It was awful. And

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Speaker 7: then when they rushed the passer, they didn't do anything

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 7: up the middle ever, and they haven't all season long.

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01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 7: The problem of the defense is right up the middle,

1321
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 7: all the way up the middle. It starts with those

1322
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 7: interior defensive linemen. You go to the linebackers who have

1323
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 7: been inconsistent all year long. Devin Lloyd spins around, unknowing

1324
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 7: where he's going. When it comes to pass coverage. You

1325
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 7: know that Gibs wheel route. I think that was on him.

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Speaker 7: I'm not one.

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 4: Hundred percent sure, but I think it was.

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01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 7: And then the safeties, So you go right smack down

1329
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 7: the middle of the defense all year long.

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Speaker 4: Bit a disaster.

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: By the way, Jaguars hees thirty second in the league

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 3: in average possession time on offense, So twenty five minutes

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01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: fifty three seconds they possess it.

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: So in the league. Yeah, and so.

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 6: Yes, the defense did some kept them in the Minnesota

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01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 6: game with the turnovers, no doubt about it. They scored

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 6: on defense in the Philly game. But I think we'd

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01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 6: all look at those games and say, Okay, they hung

1339
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 6: in there, they fought, but they're still in the field

1340
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 6: way too much. That's a combination of them not getting

1341
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 6: off the field in the offense, not be able to

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 6: put any drives together. So it's not all defense in

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01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 6: that one.

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: It's a complimentary issue.

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 6: It's a complimentary issue. For the longest time they couldn't

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 6: get any turnovers. I still think we're near the bottom

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01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 6: of the league in creating turnovers. Outside the Minnesota game

1348
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 6: where we had three.

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: The Jaguars are now tied for twenty fifth with eight takeaways.

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01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're near the bottom quartile of turnovers. And

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01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 6: so I think this is a defense that create has

1352
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 6: a problem. Give him a ton of big plays. It's

1353
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 6: been since the beginning. You look at that Miami game,

1354
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 6: it was big plays that beat them. They have a

1355
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 6: problem getting off the field on third down, and they

1356
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 6: have a problem taking the ball away, and so you

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 6: put all that together.

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01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 7: The third in the league is worse than the league

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 7: in yards for completion against.

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Speaker 4: But that's eleven point five. That number is terrible.

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01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 7: But you know what it's been the last three games

1362
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 7: twelve point nine.

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01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 4: Think about that. Every completion average is twelve point nine.

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 4: That's just awful.

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01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: First down is still ten yards last I checked?

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 6: Yeah? And so it is it a schematic issue? Is

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01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 6: it Ryan Nielsen, how he's coaching it, how it's designed.

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01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 6: Is it a personnel issue? I think you have to

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 6: ask questions about the defensive tackles and what we've done.

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Speaker 6: There no doubt about it. The safety play has been

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01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 6: questionable this year.

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 4: Or one of your defensive tackles is play an end

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 4: and he's not playing it?

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: Well, okay, fair, it's a fair when when you know.

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Speaker 7: His most of his pressures that he's gotten this year

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01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 7: have come on the inside.

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01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 6: Yes, he's a much better pass rusher. I mean, in

1379
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 6: my opinion, Eric Armstead should be your nickel three technique.

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01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 6: Anytime you're a nickel, he should be playing three technique.

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01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 4: But couldn't he be a three technique in base two?

1382
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 6: I wouldn't play at his age ten years coming off

1383
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 6: an injury. Pete, you're playing nickel sixty sixty to sixty

1384
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 6: five percent of the time first and second down in

1385
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: base personnel, I would not have him out there. But

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 6: in any Nickel situation he's out there, he should be

1387
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 6: coming off the end. I mean, this week twelve, we're

1388
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 6: still worry about last year's injury. I'm just saying, the

1389
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 6: way we rotate players, if he's out there sixty percent

1390
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 6: of the time, that'd be a lot.

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01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 7: Well, and in hindsight, they got Armstead and didn't get Campbell,

1393
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 7: and that.

1394
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 4: Was a mistake because Kalais Campbell's been playing good football

1395
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 4: all year.

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 7: Klayus Campbell, seventeen years, he's playing, still playing good.

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: For the first stamp of the season, he's in handcuffs

1398
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 3: two hours earlier than he sacks Trevor Lawrence the first

1399
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: play of the season.

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Speaker 6: Let me get ap Let me give you the top.

1401
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 6: Let me give you the top five players in past

1402
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 6: rush win. We eight at the from the defensive tackle

1403
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 6: position this year. Number one, no surprise, Chris Jones.

1404
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 4: Right, he got locked yesterday, by the way.

1405
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 6: Okay, be a good player. Number two Zach Allen from Denvers.

1406
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 7: He's been a steal for them in free agency from

1407
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 7: the Cardinals.

1408
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 6: Number three Kalais Campbell. Imagine that number four Leonard Williams

1409
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 6: and number five Pana Ford. Thank you.

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: I was taking a wild guess of like I'm gonna

1411
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: mess this up.

1412
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 4: He's actually played good for the Chargers year.

1413
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: But my point is, I mean, there's.

1414
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 4: Okay and all those guys. Just let's go through that

1415
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 4: list again, the five.

1416
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 7: It starts with number one, Chris Jones said, yes, okay, homegrown,

1417
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 7: number two Zach Allen, free agent, number three, clay As Campbell,

1418
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 7: free agent, number four, Leonard Williams, trade trade number five forward,

1419
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 7: So nobody. The only guy that's homegrown is Chris Jones.

1420
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 7: And they went out and spent money on Eric Armstead,

1421
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 7: who can't play inside, has to play defensive end and

1422
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 7: doesn't do it very well.

1423
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Why does he have to play defensive end?

1424
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 4: Well, they want him to play defensive end.

1425
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean don't because we don't have any other

1426
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 2: defensive ends on the roster.

1427
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 4: But again, bad moves.

1428
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 6: So as far as back to the keeping, a real

1429
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 6: question is what do you do on defense?

1430
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure. I have no idea.

1431
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 6: I mean I think I I think your best bet

1432
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 6: is to simplify it. Say we're gonna let nothing behind us,

1433
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 6: We're gonna come up and tackle.

1434
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 7: They play simple anyways, Tony. They don't blitz. I don't

1435
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 7: think mug looks and everything like that. They don't do

1436
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 7: it any much.

1437
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: I guess my point is, people, we play a lot

1438
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: of man still.

1439
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 7: Right, which and are they good enough to play man?

1440
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 7: And the answer to that is.

1441
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. They have the lowest blitz

1442
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: right in the league.

1443
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 6: So maybe you dial up the blitzes and just say,

1444
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 6: but then you're you're gonna play more man on the

1445
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 6: back end.

1446
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. It's a tough.

1447
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 7: Well, but they're not dialing up blitzes and they're playing

1448
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 7: man and they're getting beat anyway.

1449
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 6: Well. And the other problem is, so if you're gonna

1450
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 6: play man, blitz I guess the other problem is because

1451
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 6: you have been very poor at stopping the run, especially

1452
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 6: the last handful of games. You don't get a lot

1453
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 6: of third and lungs, so you don't let the pass

1454
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 6: rush even get going.

1455
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: You barely had any third and anythings last week.

1456
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 6: You literally of the four drives before the first seven

1457
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 6: drives that led to touchdowns, they did not have a

1458
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 6: third down. I don't think I've ever heard of that before.

1459
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 6: No third down.

1460
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: Video game stuff almost.

1461
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 6: And one of the thirds downs they had, one of

1462
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 6: those drives was third in inches, and they try to

1463
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 6: take a shot because they knew they were gonna go

1464
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 6: for it on fourth down on the quarterback snake.

1465
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: Four point six per rush the last three and that's

1466
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: just well, Pete.

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01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 6: And two of those games they gave up over two

1468
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 6: yards rushing.

1469
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, four point six per rush because and in this

1470
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 7: past game is for four point eight.

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 4: And it's just it's just it's awful up front.

1472
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 7: It's and and Walker and Alan play hard. They can

1473
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 7: play the run well, but they can't. It's hard to

1474
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 7: rush the passer when you get run on like that.

1475
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 7: And it's hard to rush the passer when everybody knows

1476
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 7: that you're the two they're going to provide the fast rushing.

1477
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 4: The interior guys are gonna be singled up. They don't.

1478
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 4: Nobody pushes the pocket from the inside ever. Like you

1479
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 4: see McNeil for the Lions. He pushes the pocket from

1480
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 4: the inside.

1481
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 7: They don't push the pocket. And that's a problem. So

1482
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 7: what do you do jp If you blitz more, you're

1483
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 7: gonna play man more. But you're playing man. Anyways, the

1484
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 7: problem in zone, those linebackers get lost in zone.

1485
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 4: The safeties get lost in zone. They don't.

1486
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 7: I mean, it's they play it poorly, and so that's

1487
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 7: a problem too.

1488
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 4: So you may as well just go play man. You

1489
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: kick him, you take him, you take him, and go

1490
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 4: after the quarterback. But to do that, like Tony said,

1491
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 4: you guys stop the run to do that.

1492
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: So that is keeping it real. Presented by nobody.

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Speaker 3: It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings.

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Speaker 4: Don't believe they're letting go of the rope. I don't.

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Speaker 4: It is a good football team.

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Speaker 5: They are good and they're gonna play for a long time.

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Speaker 5: I think this year, you know. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 5: just without without question.

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Speaker 2: In the NFC.

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Speaker 5: I look at it, and even visiting with guys today

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Speaker 5: and seeing the guys today, you know they are they're

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 5: they're tired. It's it's been you know, each week, each Monday,

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Speaker 5: you know, we haven't felt very good and that also

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Speaker 5: weighs on me. You're going into the next week.

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Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson earlier today, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: what's your positive spin this week?

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Speaker 6: Don't have any? Got no positive spin out for fifty

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Speaker 6: Here, bye week week off.

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't know sun came up today.

1530
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do

1531
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 4: with your week? Your time off? This weekend?

1532
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 6: Fellas, I am going to Gainesville on Saturday to it's

1533
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 6: uh senior day for my daughter Alexis, who's the captain

1534
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 6: of the cheerleading all girls cheerleading.

1535
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 4: Cool. Oh nice.

1536
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna do that Saturday, and then I'm gonna sit.

1537
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 6: I might probably go to church, maybe play a little

1538
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 6: golf Sunday, maybe watch I'll watch a lot of football,

1539
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 6: do nothing.

1540
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna make a run to see some family

1541
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: back home, I think for a little bit before the holidays.

1542
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going home.

1543
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'd be nice, all right, Pete, you don't get it?

1544
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 6: Bye week?

1545
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 4: No, hell no, just keep on grinding, grind me, keep

1546
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 4: on grinding. Hey. Look we're round in the corner, right Pete.

1547
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: Do you so?

1548
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 6: Where do you watch the games on Sunday.

1549
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 4: In the studio? We have a TV thing set up

1550
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 4: in there.

1551
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 6: Can any of us?

1552
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go watch it. Could I come?

1553
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 6: Could I come Sunday the Sunday If I came down

1554
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 6: Saturday night, hang out with you in the CBS studio

1555
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 6: watching football day?

1556
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 4: You know, it's weird, Tony.

1557
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 7: I would Normally I would have said, yes, you can

1558
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 7: come in there, but ever since COVID, the like the

1559
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 7: process to get somebody to come in is like trying

1560
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 7: to clear secret service.

1561
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,520
Speaker 6: Really it's weird.

1562
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 7: So they answer that question would probably be maybe.

1563
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, don't worry, don't do it because I'm

1564
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,480
Speaker 6: not coming down there. I was just serious.

1565
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's you know, we have

1566
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 7: a whole nice set up in there. We watch the

1567
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 7: games and rip everybody to shreds, and they always get

1568
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 7: mad at me because the Jaguars game has to be

1569
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 7: on the TV closest to me, and so I can

1570
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 7: rip it apart before I watch the tape the next day.

1571
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 4: Believe me, believe me, I was ripping on Sunday that one.

1572
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 4: Though I can't say anything, I called that one.

1573
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 2: I saw it.

1574
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 6: You didn't stop.

1575
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: I saw. I saw. Let me see what the score was.

1576
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 7: I picked when I picked it. Let's be honest, now

1577
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 7: it was I'll be honest with you because you can

1578
01:16:58,800 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 7: go look it up.

1579
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't that, but it was bad. Believe me,

1580
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 4: here we go. It was good.

1581
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 7: And by the way, we played the play yesterday our

1582
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 7: pregame show the.

1583
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: Deal, though I saw it on the Thanks that's great, Pete, Yeah.

1584
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, we played it Don mccow's game taking the knee.

1585
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 4: I forgot you went in.

1586
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 2: I didn't. What did you pick yesterday?

1587
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 4: Mad the ball?

1588
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 7: The next play go up the field with von Dunbar.

1589
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 7: I think it was on the very next play. You

1590
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 7: actually got a good block on that play, Tony.

1591
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

1592
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 7: Uh, you were still trying, unlike some of the other

1593
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 7: people on that team.

1594
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 6: I'll tell you why I hated those thirty eight eight Yeah, Pete,

1595
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 6: I hated like I was. You know, as every player

1596
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 6: has been involved in blowouts and been on the wrong

1597
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 6: side of a blowout, it is the worst because you

1598
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 6: know the game's over. You know it's over, Like to

1599
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 6: end the third quarter like you're down four scores. It's

1600
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 6: you're not I mean, come on, it is what it is,

1601
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 6: and everything in you wants just to get in the

1602
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 6: locker room and go home, or get on the plane

1603
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 6: and get home. But I always told myself it was

1604
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 6: like this is gonna be on tape, and so you

1605
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 6: better compete because whoever is watching the tape next week

1606
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 6: from the other teams. I did not want to have

1607
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 6: them watch me get beat. So to me, it was

1608
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 6: like it became personal. It's like, okay, like it's I'm

1609
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 6: one on one with this guy. Here we go, let's

1610
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 6: let's dial it up. You better get your and I

1611
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 6: would be taught. I'd have to talk to myself. I'd

1612
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 6: be on the sideline talking to myself, like, come on,

1613
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 6: let's go.

1614
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 7: But by the way, you know, Doug's right, I didn't,

1615
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 7: and you know me, Tony, I look for quitters. I

1616
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 7: didn't see it on the tape yesterday, which is more.

1617
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 7: I think that's force the diapmen in the roster, if anything,

1618
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 7: because if you got beat that.

1619
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 4: Bad and you did quit, whoo because there was you know,

1620
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 4: I always look for.

1621
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 7: Joggers and guys that are gonna not play to the

1622
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 7: end of the whistle, and we had there were plenty

1623
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 7: of them on tape earlier in the season. I saw him,

1624
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 7: particularly in London, yes, but but there weren't there.

1625
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 4: I thought they'd quit against the Eagles.

1626
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 7: They didn't in the in that game, they played hard

1627
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 7: against the Vikings and they didn't quit on Sunday.

1628
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 4: They're just not good enough.

1629
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: Not good enough against the Lions, that's for sure at

1630
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 3: UCF Jaguar. Next question, generational quarterback, super Bowl winning head coach,

1631
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: state of the art practice facility, top draft picks, money

1632
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 3: spent like crazy, and free agency.

1633
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: How do we fix this.

1634
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let Pete. I'm gonna let Pete answer this one.

1635
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 7: Well, okay, let's start with the generational quarterback right now,

1636
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 7: he's not a generational quarterback because they haven't brought him

1637
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 7: to that level yet. So that goes to your coaching.

1638
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 7: Your super Bowl winning coach hasn't done his part to

1639
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 7: fulfill that. The state of the art practice facility that

1640
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 7: you can't arg you with it is it's a great place.

1641
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 4: It's a great facility.

1642
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 7: You know, in the past it was a joke where

1643
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 7: they knew know Tony you were in that there were

1644
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 7: rats everywhere in that place.

1645
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't a good facility. It's a great facility.

1646
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 7: Now it's a great free Agents should want to play there,

1647
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 7: Players should want to play there.

1648
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 4: It's a great facility. What was the other What would

1649
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 4: keep that question up for a second. There's more to it.

1650
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 4: I'll keep going.

1651
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: Top draft picks, money spent like crazy.

1652
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 4: They've blown them I mean, let's be real.

1653
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 7: They haven't got banged for their buck on the draft

1654
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 7: picks and money spent like crazy, and free agency hasn't

1655
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 7: worked out.

1656
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 4: Let's go through it again. Because Mitch Morse hasn't been

1657
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 4: good the.

1658
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 7: Last month of the season, there's I mean, he's been okay,

1659
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 7: he hasn't been great. Ronald Darby had one good game

1660
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 7: and has about four bad ones in the last month

1661
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 7: of last five weeks. Who else? Armstead's a complete squid.

1662
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 7: But Gabe Davis before he got hurt was a nothing.

1663
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 7: He's a nothing burger. I mean, he looks like he's

1664
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 7: out of shape and doesn't run very well. So free agency,

1665
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 7: bang for the buck, bang for the buck? You got nothing?

1666
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 7: You got zero?

1667
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 4: Then you want to you could just go through the

1668
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 4: roster of guys.

1669
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 7: Doesn't it pain them that they'd used a second round

1670
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 7: draft pick on a tight end that they don't even

1671
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 7: use in some games, and they not only that, when

1672
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 7: they drafted a second round tight end, the guy they

1673
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 7: let go caught a couple passes against him for the

1674
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 7: Vikings last week, didn't he. I mean, that's all around

1675
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 7: the league. So if you really want to pinpoint it,

1676
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 7: it's the talent. It's the talent. They're not that talented period.

1677
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 3: Next question at Waco Arena, which players would you keep

1678
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 3: to rebuild this and what would be your draft and

1679
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: free agency and free agency priorities. Now, all right, we're

1680
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 3: kind of flirting with the line of draft talk here.

1681
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 3: Not officially eliminated yet mathematically, however, what.

1682
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 6: Do you think, Well, I mean, I'll just answer, you

1683
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 6: got to build the line of scrimmage. Yeah, you gotta

1684
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 6: build both sides of the line of scrimmage. That's how

1685
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 6: you win football games.

1686
01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: At the end of the day.

1687
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 6: This is a physical, violent game played by big, physical men.

1688
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 6: And yes, you need dynamic receivers and backs, and obviously

1689
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 6: you have to have a quarterback, and I believe we

1690
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 6: have a quarterback. But if you have a quarterback and

1691
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,600
Speaker 6: you are physical at the lines of scrimmage, you have

1692
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 6: a chance every week. If you have a quarterback and

1693
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 6: really fancy nice skilled position guys with and you can't

1694
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 6: aren't a physical, tough team, You're just not gonna win

1695
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 6: consistently in this league.

1696
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: I have a strong conviction about that.

1697
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 6: I'm with you, and I and I and if you

1698
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 6: really want to look at it, going to next year.

1699
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 6: You have no one under contract who can play left tackle. Oh,

1700
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 6: you have the right tackle who could play at left tack. Okay,

1701
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 6: right now start current left tackles. You have no no

1702
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 6: one's under contract for next year. You have your left

1703
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 6: guard who you signed who Ezrik Clevenan's a.

1704
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 4: Tough guy of the year. Was it was awful yesterday?

1705
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: Okay?

1706
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 6: You have an eleven he banged up yesterday and he

1707
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 6: got yeah, you know why.

1708
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 7: He was pulling and and and Brandon Sherriff got knocked

1709
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 7: back into him and he tripped him.

1710
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 4: That's how he got hurted.

1711
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 3: Yain.

1712
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 6: So you have an eleven year center, have an eleven

1713
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 6: year maybe he doesn't play, I don't know, but.

1714
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: Eleven years long time.

1715
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 6: You have an eleven year right guard who has beat

1716
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 6: to I mean, I give him credit for fighting, and.

1717
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 4: But he's not coming back on his money. He's not

1718
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 4: coming back.

1719
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 6: And you have a right tackle who is not as

1720
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 6: good as he was his rookie year, but he's under contract.

1721
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 4: Behind that Sunday But no, no, I'm.

1722
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 6: Not saying I'm but behind that, you have nothing.

1723
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 4: Zero.

1724
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 6: You're the only young player that you were excited about.

1725
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 6: Cooper Hodges had a major injury. You don't know what

1726
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 6: the status is going to be. I mean you don't

1727
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 6: and so.

1728
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 4: Then and then flip it to the other side, Tony.

1729
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 6: But like, do you disagree with my evaluation of the offensive.

1730
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 4: Lineessent is accurate? Then you flip it to the other side.

1731
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 7: Okay, you have a you have a defensive tackle in

1732
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 7: Hamilton who clearly hasn't been the same player since that

1733
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 7: stuff happened to him. It was tragic what happened to

1734
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 7: but he hasn't been the same player. The rookies, the

1735
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 7: second round pick doesn't even suit up.

1736
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 6: Was it was he a healthy scratch or is he

1737
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 6: still hurt? Because I can't I can't keeping.

1738
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 2: That a little bit.

1739
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's kind of been off or was he on

1740
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 6: the injury report last week?

1741
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: Let's just look at that lately.

1742
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 4: I think late in the week they put him on.

1743
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 7: Anyway, Okay, but the healthy if he's a healthy scratch,

1744
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 7: it's even worse. He's been a healthy scratch at times. Yes,

1745
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 7: Jefferson gets blocked ledbetter. Is just a rotational guy, that's

1746
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 7: all he is. And so where where do you see

1747
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 7: starters on NFL teams on that and that four that

1748
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 7: play in there.

1749
01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 4: There isn't one.

1750
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 3: By the way, Maason smith ain'kle limited all week in practice. Okay,

1751
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 3: so he was on the injury port the lot, yes,

1752
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 3: and going back to the yeah. So I think for me,

1753
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: it's you got to invest in both lines of scrimmage

1754
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: because you have big decisions.

1755
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 6: Are you gonna are you gonna pay Walker Little to

1756
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 6: be your left tackle? And what do you have to

1757
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 6: pay he's gonna be a free agent? Do you pay

1758
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 6: Walker little? Would you pay Walker little? Would you go

1759
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 6: pay Garrett Bulls? That's what you gotta evaluate the whole thing, Pete,

1760
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,440
Speaker 6: I don't know today. I haven't even got that far ahead.

1761
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 6: But if you look at the unrestricted free agent, so

1762
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 6: how many guys which you have to pay a bunch

1763
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 6: of money for it to go get them? Like even

1764
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 6: an average left tackle is gonna get paid eighteen nineteen fifty,

1765
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 6: Let's say somewhere between fifteen to twenty million, right, Pete?

1766
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: Is that about right?

1767
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 4: Right?

1768
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 7: Right guards are getting more money now. Guards get a

1769
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 7: lot of money now.

1770
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 6: And so you have to draft and develop guys. Wow,

1771
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 6: And so how many starters.

1772
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Do you have.

1773
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 6: That are young players that are backups?

1774
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 4: Right?

1775
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 6: Now in this roster on the offensive line, I thought

1776
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 6: Cooper Hodges was going to be one, but you don't

1777
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 6: know his status.

1778
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 4: You don't know, and you don't know if he was

1779
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 4: going to be.

1780
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 6: But like you thought he could be right foster to

1781
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 6: left tackle. I did not think he had a good camp.

1782
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 6: Maybe he can be developed, I don't know, but it

1783
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 6: didn't look.

1784
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 4: Like it didn't look like it.

1785
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 6: Uh Van Lannon is a been a career backup swing guy?

1786
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 6: Is he is? Do you project him as a starter?

1787
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 6: The bottom lines, you can't go into every year without

1788
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 6: big people on your roster that you're developing. That is

1789
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 6: what if the first.

1790
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 7: Case scenario happens that Morse did decide to walk away

1791
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 7: and and uh Sheriff isn't coming k K, Sheriff can't

1792
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 7: come back, and he's broken down and the money's too much,

1793
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 7: he can't come back.

1794
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 6: So that's well, so to go down here path Pete,

1795
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 6: Let's just talk about that real quick. If both Midgemore

1796
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 6: and Sheriff we're tired because of age, I'm not saying there,

1797
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 6: we have no idea, but there are eleven year guys

1798
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 6: and Sheriff has been beat up this.

1799
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 4: Year in a lot of years.

1800
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 6: You now kind of coming back. You have a right

1801
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,839
Speaker 6: tackle and a left guard. What I've seen out of Fortner,

1802
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 6: he's not a starting caliber center from what I see.

1803
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 4: He's not not from what you've see, and he isn't.

1804
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 6: So okay, all right, So you have two starting caliber

1805
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 6: offensive lignment on your.

1806
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 4: Roster who are average at best.

1807
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 6: I still think, I still think that Anton Harrison can

1808
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 6: be a.

1809
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 4: Really good right but as of right now, he's average

1810
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 4: at best.

1811
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 6: He's an average. The way he's playing this year, you

1812
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 6: would say he's middle of the road.

1813
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: And he actually said that.

1814
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: He spoke with the media and I asked him, Hey,

1815
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 3: what do you want to prove personally the last six

1816
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 3: weeks of this season? I mean, you know, big year

1817
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 3: for you comany. He's like, I've just been up and down,

1818
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 3: inconsistent all year, and I want to be better and

1819
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 3: build up to.

1820
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: The rest of the season. I like that. That's a

1821
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 2: great answer.

1822
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 4: The left Could he be the left hack, Yes.

1823
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 6: Absolutely, he is athletic enough to play left tackle. He

1824
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 6: played it in college. I think he's a much better.

1825
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 6: He needs to improve on his run blocking.

1826
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 2: He needs to he needs to be pushed.

1827
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 4: He doesn't he doesn't finish like he should.

1828
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 6: That's why.

1829
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 2: But he has to be pushed.

1830
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:25,879
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's.

1831
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 7: Major issues on that offensive line and and whoever does

1832
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 7: take over has to make that a priority, has to

1833
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 7: be you know, I want to put something out there

1834
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 7: real quick, the Bill Belichick stuff that Mike Florio threw

1835
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 7: out there.

1836
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill Belichick is seventy two years old. He's coming back.

1837
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 7: Where if he does come back to try and get

1838
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 7: Don Shule's record, is he going to have the patience

1839
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 7: for a rebuild? Because that's basically what you're going to

1840
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 7: be jumping into. And Javille and Will Jacksonville want a

1841
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 7: guy who's seventy two years old. And here's the other

1842
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 7: part of that. Bill Belichick always had control. You can't

1843
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 7: give that guy control. He the reason the Patriots stink

1844
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 7: now is because he had control, not because he couldn't coach.

1845
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 7: It's because of his football decisions. So why that was

1846
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 7: put out there, I got my idea about it, But

1847
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 7: why that was put out there.

1848
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 4: That's ridiculous.

1849
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 7: And I know Tony Kahan has a strong affinity for

1850
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 7: Bill Bellett Belichick and he loves everything he's done.

1851
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 4: And I'd get it.

1852
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick's been the greatest coach maybe we've ever seen.

1853
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 7: But you can't do that in this franchise. The coach

1854
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 7: that comes in and takes over has to be an

1855
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 7: offensive minded coach who can build the damn thing around

1856
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:45,839
Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence.

1857
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: Let's come back for fanatics.

1858
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Fan questions will go around the National Football League and

1859
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 3: what has.

1860
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Been a long day after a long day fifty two

1861
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: to six.

1862
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,920
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1863
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:11,839
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1864
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1865
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1866
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1867
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1868
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 3: go Jags. Let's go around the National Football League and

1869
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 3: Sunday Action. The Packers locked a field goal to beat

1870
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 3: the Bears twenty to nineteen, the final score Packers in

1871
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: that tough division, of course, the NFC North Dolphins over

1872
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: the Raiders thirty four to nineteen, Rams beat the Patriots,

1873
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 3: the Saints over the Browns thirty five fourteen all around

1874
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 3: play from Taysom Hill Pete unbelievable.

1875
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, the gimmick was actually really good on Sunday.

1876
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 7: By the way, they got the bump from the special

1877
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 7: teams coach, right, Darren Rizzy.

1878
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 6: And in that division, Pete, they're in it.

1879
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, because Atlanta's thinks and Tampa Bay's all banged up.

1880
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 4: Yep, it's incredible. They probably won't catch him. I think

1881
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 4: the Bucks schedule is favorable. I think they'll catch Atlanta.

1882
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 4: Atlanta has a tougher schedule.

1883
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 3: Colts over the Jets twenty eight to twenty seven. Anthony

1884
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 3: Richardson back in there now, and you.

1885
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 4: Know what, he looked good, and he looked much more confident.

1886
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 4: And here's the thing.

1887
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 7: Reports out of Indy were that he wasn't the first

1888
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 7: guy in and last guy out, so they sat him down.

1889
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 4: Guess what he was last week? First guy in, last

1890
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 4: guy out.

1891
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 7: You're twenty two years old, and Denny Thompson works with him,

1892
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 7: so I'm sure Denny Thompson told him, you got to

1893
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 7: put your whole head into that stuff. You know that, Tony, Guys,

1894
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 7: you only have a short window. Take advantage of it.

1895
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 7: Put all the work you possibly can into it, cash

1896
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 7: the big bucks, and then you can do all the

1897
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 7: sleeping and relaxing and playing video games you want to

1898
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 7: after you're retired.

1899
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 6: Indy has a big game next week. They gotta go

1900
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 6: play the Detroit Lions.

1901
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 4: Ooh it Indy though, is it?

1902
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1903
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 2: It's at home either way, I don't care where it's played.

1904
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 3: Steelers over the Ravens eighteen sixteen, Steelers now eight and

1905
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 3: two pete.

1906
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Can they sustain?

1907
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 10: You know what?

1908
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 4: And you know what?

1909
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 7: They're playing physical tough football because Russell Wilson was awful

1910
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 7: on Sunday against the Ravens defense that can't stop anybody,

1911
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 7: and they still won the game physical tough football. They

1912
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 7: score a touchdown, he threw an end zone interception that

1913
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 7: was horrific.

1914
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 2: Vikings over the Titans twenty three to thirteen.

1915
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 3: Broncos put up thirty eight on the Falcons thirty eight

1916
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 3: to six to final score both Knicks Huh.

1917
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 7: He's playing well. But Sean Payton can flat out coach.

1918
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 7: I mean he schemes open guys for that quarterback and

1919
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 7: does a great job of it.

1920
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 4: And their defense is good.

1921
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 7: That team's going to be a playoff team to.

1922
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 4: To guarantee guaranteed. Look at their schedule.

1923
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 3: Wow, favorable Seahawks over forty nine ers twenty eight to seventeen.

1924
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 3: The Bills beat the Chiefs, the final unbeaten team goes

1925
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 3: down thirty to twenty one.

1926
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 2: Yesterday Afternoon.

1927
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 7: Has made himself maybe the co Cove favorite right now

1928
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 7: for the MVP.

1929
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 6: But the big question with Bill I mean the big

1930
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 6: question with Josh Allen. The Bills beat and they beat

1931
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 6: the Chiefs when it matters in the playoffs.

1932
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 7: Well, I ideally you'd like to have it at home

1933
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 7: when though Yeah, I mean they they lost to him

1934
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 7: last year. But remember the end of that game, he

1935
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 7: had the shot into the end zone, but Chris Jones

1936
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 7: hit him and remember it fluttered, a guy was wide

1937
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 7: open would have scored a touchdown, and then bast missed

1938
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 7: the field goal that would have tied it.

1939
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,480
Speaker 6: But that was in Buffalo last year.

1940
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 4: Right, That's what I mean. But they still should could

1941
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 4: have won that game.

1942
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 6: On my point, they haven't beat them when it mattered.

1943
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,959
Speaker 7: Well you know why, because they're right now, they're Barkley

1944
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 7: and stocked in them alone to Jordan, that's what they are.

1945
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 4: They got to change.

1946
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: I that's a great that's a great analogy.

1947
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 3: Beat Chargers had a twenty four to six lead at halftime,

1948
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 3: the Bengals came all the way back, tied the game,

1949
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 3: and then Evan McPherson missed two field goals and the

1950
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 3: Chargers go down the field and win thirty four to twenty.

1951
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 6: That was a great I I'm usually so tired, but

1952
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 6: we got home, and you know, I caught probably caught

1953
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 6: two and a half quarters of that game, the whole

1954
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 6: second half.

1955
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: What a great football game. It was a great and

1956
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 2: entertaining football game.

1957
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 7: But isn't it funny, though Tony, how Joe Burrow and

1958
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 7: Herbert navigate muddy pockets the way they do to make plays.

1959
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,759
Speaker 2: I'll say I think Burrow is better than Herbert.

1960
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 7: Burke was better at Herbert at it, but Herbert was

1961
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 7: good at it again early in that game last night,

1962
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 7: and again the offensive line play is better in those

1963
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 7: two teams than what you have here in Jacksonville. But

1964
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 7: Burrow does a great job of handling it when it's

1965
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 7: not like you said, And that's something that Trevor has

1966
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 7: to get better at.

1967
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 6: He does now. It does help having t Higgins and

1968
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase outside.

1969
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 2: It certainly doesn't hurt.

1970
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 6: But I'll say this, Burrow's not afraid to throw it

1971
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:54,879
Speaker 6: to anybody.

1972
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1973
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 6: That Ivy League kid's name, is that the kathlete or yeah? Yeah,

1974
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 6: I might even try to announce his name, but he

1975
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 6: was jo how do you say it, Joseph Josevich. He

1976
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 6: came up with some big catches.

1977
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 4: And he'll throw to the tight end, see too.

1978
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeahs.

1979
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 4: Look, here's the thing about the Bengals.

1980
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 7: They're probably not going to make the playoffs, and everybody

1981
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 7: in the AFC should be happy.

1982
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,799
Speaker 4: They don't. You don't want to play that team?

1983
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,560
Speaker 6: Well, they're four and seven. What's their schedule? Look like

1984
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 6: they've already played the Ravens twice, so they got that

1985
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 6: out of the way.

1986
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, they got the Steelers coming up in a couple

1987
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 7: of weeks, I think, But yeah, they it would be

1988
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 7: tough for them to make the playoffs.

1989
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 6: They're gonna have to go on a big run.

1990
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 3: Steelers, Cowboys, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Steelers.

1991
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could, they could run, they could win. They

1992
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 4: could go on a nineteen ninety six.

1993
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 7: Jaguars run, and nobody will want to play Nobody will

1994
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 7: want to play them.

1995
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm telling you Monday night football, it's the Battle of Texas. C. J.

1996
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 3: Stroud on the six and four Houston Texans, first place

1997
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 3: in the AFC south head to Arlington to face the

1998
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 3: three and six Dallas Cowboys. The roof is open so

1999
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 3: God can watch the Cowboys play. They need all the

2000
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 3: help they can get. Oh you got at Jerry's World tonight.

2001
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 3: Not the Cowboys. They're a disaster. They can't run the ball,

2002
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 3: they have no they can't stop the run. I got

2003
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 3: the Texans, But you know.

2004
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 4: What, I think they hang around in the game. The

2005
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 4: Texans don't look right. They can't really.

2006
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 7: They're averaging four They're averaging four point three per rush

2007
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 7: themselves on the ground. Not great, and they don't stop

2008
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 7: the run. And they have a bunch of injuries. It'll

2009
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 7: be interesting to see if the corners Lassiter and Stingley

2010
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 7: are both banged up. Might not play, but we'll see.

2011
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 7: I think they hang around in the game.

2012
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 4: I don't. I haven't liked what I've seen from the

2013
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 4: Texans at all this year.

2014
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 6: What happens in Dallas.

2015
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 7: Ultimately Pete new coach, definitely, I think that's that's happening.

2016
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 4: But again, if you're gonna be the head coach there.

2017
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 7: You want to have Jerry Jones as your general manager,

2018
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 7: but you are the coach of the Cowboys.

2019
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 2: Ten million reasons why per year?

2020
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 7: Probably at that ten million, you're a little light, maybe

2021
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 7: more than that more.

2022
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 2: You think, uh, there you have it. Monday night. Football's

2023
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 2: in bye week. Here we are, we've arrived week twelve.

2024
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 6: What are we gonna talk about next week?

2025
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 2: Is the big question?

2026
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 4: You talk about next week? We're gonna start looking at

2027
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 4: the draft next week.

2028
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 2: Well, no, they're not. You're gonna be mathematically eliminated.

2029
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 7: Pepe, They're mathematically eliminated in my mind, they're gone.

2030
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 2: In your mind.

2031
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 4: Okay, different take to be mathematically eliminated. One more loss.

2032
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's more than that.

2033
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 6: No, I think I think at two and ten year out,

2034
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 6: you're not getting into the playoffs with ten loss.

2035
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 4: The rect what's their schedule coming up? It's the Texans?

2036
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 6: Then what they Well, they got the Texans, they have

2037
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 6: the Titans twice, and they got the Colts and the

2038
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 6: Jets in the.

2039
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 3: Raiders, Texans, Titans, Jets, Raiders, Titans, Colts.

2040
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 7: On a normal team, you'd say, oh, they could win

2041
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 7: those games. There's nothing about this team that would give

2042
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 7: you any indication they could win any of them.

2043
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 3: That's Pete Brisco, Tony BUSSELLI. I'm JP Shatticker. Thanks to

2044
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 3: Joe Fortunato, Brent Reaver, Manny Alvarez, pens On, Kate Waskey,

2045
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 3: Brooke Hopfee, Bill Peas, our entire crew. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.