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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Nola.
Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you
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Speaker 3: this the evening it comes out, folks, let us be
Speaker 3: the first to welcome you to Thursday, November seventh. We
Speaker 3: are so excited to have our fellow conspiracy realist join us.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk bank scandals. We're going to hear
Speaker 3: a letter from a teacher. We're going to get some
Speaker 3: letters from home. Before before we do any of that,
Speaker 3: we are going to hear from one of the many
Speaker 3: conspiracy realists who followed up with their own harrowing experiences
Speaker 3: regarding our episode on abuse in the Amish community. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll come right back with that after this quick little word.
Speaker 4: And we're back. And yeah, it's been mentioned we had
Speaker 4: quite a few listeners right into us about the recent
Speaker 4: episode we did on abuse within the Amish community, and
Speaker 4: one in particular stood out to me that I wanted
Speaker 4: to share. From an Aussie listener who goes by Solar Boredom,
Speaker 4: he had this to say, good day, gentlemen. I've been
Speaker 4: listening for a few years now and very much enjoy
Speaker 4: the information in banter you all bring to the table.
Speaker 4: Even when there are topics that may not be my
Speaker 4: cup of tea or may have some conflicting information, I
Speaker 4: still enjoy listening to all of your takes. I just
Speaker 4: want to say that you all come forward as genuinely
Speaker 4: caring individuals. It's very kind if you just say a
Speaker 4: Solar boredom. He goes on, I just listened to the
Speaker 4: Amish abuse scandal episode, and living in Australia and only
Speaker 4: really having knowledge about the Amish through television and pop
Speaker 4: culture and weirdoo haha, I didn't realize that perpetrators of
Speaker 4: abuse could reintegrate within the community after a period of shunning.
Speaker 4: I do also wonder if any fathers or other family
Speaker 4: members of a victim could then retaliate. He says, beat
Speaker 4: the shit out of someone, as we would say here
Speaker 4: will a Solar Boredom. We say that over here too,
Speaker 4: against the abuser, and then only have to apologize and
Speaker 4: then be forgiven. That's interesting. I also can't help but
Speaker 4: think that if a victim of abuse were a male child,
Speaker 4: then maybe the punishment might be a bit more severe.
Speaker 4: That is very interesting, and we'll talk about that just
Speaker 4: a sec Once again, thank you for what you guys do.
Speaker 4: You can use this on air if you wish, and
Speaker 4: refer to me as Solar Boredom. Ps to whomever put
Speaker 4: the random doorbell in the opening song. It makes me
Speaker 4: laugh every time.
Speaker 3: Thank you. So yeah, yeah, it's funny because guys and
Speaker 3: Solar Boredom, thank you for raying in again. Noel and
Speaker 3: Matt you may know this as well. I have had
Speaker 3: a letter to Solar Boredom sitting in drafts by ror
Speaker 3: not sending it. I got so excited when someone mentioned
Speaker 3: the opening song Doorbell Cube, because the way I have
Speaker 3: it in the draft, which you will read, Solar Boredom
Speaker 3: is simply all praise due to my pal Matt Frederick.
Speaker 3: He and I worked pretty closely on some odd stuff
Speaker 3: and we were pretty sure we'd get the boot when
Speaker 3: we started this strange endeavor and when Noel, when you
Speaker 3: joined up, we just had some real gas on the fire.
Speaker 3: So all praise to Matt on that. Well.
Speaker 4: It also just just to point out that that was
Speaker 4: the theme for the original incarnation of the show, which
Speaker 4: was visual on YouTube, and in the video opening for
Speaker 4: the series, there is like a creepy dude.
Speaker 2: At a door, right, Matt, Well, yeah, there's a dude
Speaker 2: in the basement. This happens to be the one that
Speaker 2: called Ben, and he's checking out a conspiracy board and
Speaker 2: he hears that doorbell ring, and immediately after it, the
Speaker 2: front door opens and the logo, the show's logo that
Speaker 2: used to be on a like a Manila folder falls
Speaker 2: down as the door opens, and that's the reasoning behind
Speaker 2: the doorbell that still exists in the old song from.
Speaker 4: Six and it's a delightful easter egg that continues on
Speaker 4: to this day.
Speaker 3: And for a side note too, thank you to everybody
Speaker 3: who watches our videos our original incarnation of the show.
Speaker 3: As you said, just a side note, This was back
Speaker 3: before the men's rights stuff ruined Trilby's and Fidoras for everyone,
Speaker 3: so I was still rocking pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And one is a minute black thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, very much so, very much so.
Speaker 4: Ed trench coats are right out as well. You know,
Speaker 4: not that you. I'm just saying fashion choices that have
Speaker 4: not history has not been kind to You're right now.
Speaker 3: I'm still stuck in and my glory days of the
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen hundreds with that stuff exactly, but to the
Speaker 3: point that I think resonated with all of us here
Speaker 3: the cycles of abuse. One thing that really stands out
Speaker 3: about your letters, Solar Boredom is the question about male
Speaker 3: children being abused as well. It has to be statistically inevitable, right,
Speaker 3: isn't that what we discovered?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly does, based on what we know about. Again,
Speaker 4: a lot of these kind of insular communities that have
Speaker 4: very specific guidelines around their sexuality and around their kind
Speaker 4: of separation from secularism and all that stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: we know that if you're kind of I guess I
Speaker 4: don't know. It's hard, it's a tricky subject, but I
Speaker 4: guess I guess I would use the term repressed slightly,
Speaker 4: and that we see that in other situations and other
Speaker 4: cases of abuse and whatever. The inclination of the person
Speaker 4: whose sexual urges are being repressed might be that will
Speaker 4: determine who they act on those repressed sexual urges toward.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's a very tricky thing, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying everybody would ever do that. You know, like, there
Speaker 4: certainly are going to be cases where someone has made
Speaker 4: the choice to not live a sexual lifestyle and they're
Speaker 4: perfectly okay with that choice. But then there are individuals
Speaker 4: who perhaps have darker tendencies and something click, something snaps,
Speaker 4: and it causes them to act out in this way.
Speaker 4: M Yeah.
Speaker 3: We see this time and time again in civilizations or
Speaker 3: communities or societies that have repressed people's natural proclivities as
Speaker 3: human beings. You need look new further than insert fundamentalist
Speaker 3: community here. And I'm not saying fundamentalists specifically in a
Speaker 3: Christian sense. I hope that's clear. But when you prevent
Speaker 3: people from being human in one way or another, their
Speaker 3: human side will still show well.
Speaker 4: And that's not to say I'm not trying to imply
Speaker 4: that the Amish community aren't allowed to have sex. That's
Speaker 4: not the case at all. It is just an act
Speaker 4: that is very specifically designed to procreate and to build
Speaker 4: a massive family and carry on the whatever the the
Speaker 4: legacy of this type of belief system, and of course
Speaker 4: things like you know, queerness, any sort of you know,
Speaker 4: attraction to same genders would be absolutely looked down upon.
Speaker 4: So I would almost argue, then it's even more likely
Speaker 4: that abuse on same sex individuals would be common because
Speaker 4: of the fact that there's no other outlet for that
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I'll join you in this, in this
Speaker 3: bag of badgers. It's it is quite a sticky wicket
Speaker 3: and difficult to discuss, and I think you're absolutely nail
Speaker 3: in it. There noal one thing we like. One other
Speaker 3: example for a stance would be the atrocious, unclean rate
Speaker 3: of same sex abuse in very fundamentalist parts of the
Speaker 3: world like Bacibasi and A'veghan his thought which we have
Speaker 3: discussed before, which I think uh further emphasizes your point, Bro.
Speaker 4: Some of the allegations against P Diddy, you know, in
Speaker 4: the in the in like the hip hop community, the
Speaker 4: idea of like being on the down low or whatever, like,
Speaker 4: it wasn't until very recently in that kind of culture
Speaker 4: that folks like Tyler the Creator and Frank Ocean and
Speaker 4: some of these bigger names have come out and made
Speaker 4: it kind of Okay to be gay.
Speaker 3: As a.
Speaker 4: Million. Of course, I did not mean to leave him out,
Speaker 4: but you understand what I'm saying, Like, for the longest
Speaker 4: time that community was so based on masculine attitudes and actions,
Speaker 4: and I one, you know, when you hear about things
Speaker 4: like what R Kelly was convicted of and now the
Speaker 4: accusations against P Diddy, many of which involved same sex abuse.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the allegations guys of the basically the
Speaker 2: use a term that's not real, the satanification of some
Speaker 2: of that stuff in popular media and it being linked
Speaker 2: to specific things of what stuff of popular music and
Speaker 2: sexual things that are very popular right now, including somebody
Speaker 2: like Lil nas X and you know it's weird because.
Speaker 4: He does dry hump the devil in one of his
Speaker 4: ideos that human.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. If you're making the artistic
Speaker 2: choice to include what would be considered satanic imagery in
Speaker 2: your thing, like as a symbolic thing or whatever thing,
Speaker 2: it doesn't help your you know whatever case like, no, this.
Speaker 3: Is satanic, seriously, like Alice Cooper and yeah, yeah, going.
Speaker 2: Way back, Ozzy Osbourne, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: It turned out to be an awful, awful person who
Speaker 4: probably did many of the things that he was accusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also beat me here, Dylan, h Brian, You're a
Speaker 3: bad person.
Speaker 4: Brian Brian Warner is his name, and he was not
Speaker 4: the nerdy dude from the Wonder Year set, despite internet
Speaker 4: rumor mongering. So sorry, man, please please please continue.
Speaker 2: I guess what I mean, he says. I'm noticing, and
Speaker 2: I think I'm just screwing with my algorithm a lot
Speaker 2: by like specifically staying on reels for longer than I
Speaker 2: should be to like analyze a couple of them. And
Speaker 2: then now, my you're into that, dude, This is all
Speaker 2: you are, right, But people who right now fully believe
Speaker 2: that some version of Satan or you know, Horus or
Speaker 2: Set or the Evil One or whatever this thing is
Speaker 2: is in control of a lot of popular culture, especially
Speaker 2: popular music. We've talked about that on the show before.
Speaker 2: Sorry to take us down this n angle.
Speaker 4: Here are we in a second Satanic panic? Or is
Speaker 4: this cyclical?
Speaker 2: It's hard because of the bubble, right, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much I am being catered to now by that
Speaker 2: algorithm because I watch one or two things to analyze them,
Speaker 2: versus how much that actually exists out on the planet,
Speaker 2: people really feeling that way without irony saying Satan's got
Speaker 2: a hold of you know, everybody, including Taylor Swift and
Speaker 2: you know, just name your popular cultural person.
Speaker 4: I feel certain certain people believe that. I think there's
Speaker 4: no question that there are people out there that believe
Speaker 4: that with their whole hearts.
Speaker 3: I would argue that demographic has grown to in part
Speaker 3: to the algorithms mentioned earlier.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: We have to remember, you know, for many people this
Speaker 3: is an argument existing in the realm of metaphor. But
Speaker 3: for many other people, a growing number of humans, this
Speaker 3: is not a matter of metaphor. It is a matter
Speaker 3: of literal interference by infernal powers and the thing that
Speaker 3: to help just level set anybody's trying to help a
Speaker 3: loved one off the ledge there. One of the best
Speaker 3: questions about that is, if you accept the idea of
Speaker 3: an infernal being that that solely exists in defiance of God,
Speaker 3: then you also inherently accept the fact or the belief
Speaker 3: that God is an omnipresent, omniscient entity. If that is
Speaker 3: the truth, if all things being said previously are true,
Speaker 3: then why would you worry.
Speaker 4: About the devil? I mean I don't know that you
Speaker 4: need a devil with some of the interpretations of God
Speaker 4: being as vindictive as he is.
Speaker 3: Well, all the bath, all right, let's go with it
Speaker 3: a dig it.
Speaker 2: But the whole point was to bring it back to
Speaker 2: attempting to explain the behaviors of somebody, right, like a
Speaker 2: father in one of these communities, who does this to
Speaker 2: their own children, a brother or a sister that does
Speaker 2: it to their sibling. I want to reference somebody who
Speaker 2: called in. They called in a notomously, but I just
Speaker 2: want to give this version of it, please. I think
Speaker 2: in our discussion it was we had a specific heart
Speaker 2: in the show where we were discussing how could somebody
Speaker 2: who was abused go to court and defend, like write
Speaker 2: a letter in defense of their abuser.
Speaker 3: Right Mary Bile's mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were several examples given throughout that thing that
Speaker 2: were like somebody was pushed by the community to do
Speaker 2: something like that. Right, This anonymous person called in in tears,
Speaker 2: I would say from the assessment, telling us about how
Speaker 2: she was molested by her brother. But she absolutely loves
Speaker 2: her brother and acknowledges he was abused before he abused her.
Speaker 2: And the person that abused him, it's known was abused
Speaker 2: by somebody older than him, oh boy, and wrote just
Speaker 2: the complex nature of being a used by a close
Speaker 2: family member like that. And you know, if, at least
Speaker 2: in my case, I've been in that situation, I can't
Speaker 2: fully empathize with the complex nature of the feelings that
Speaker 2: would exist there.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Sure we can talk about the rage and all that things,
Speaker 2: because I know that it would exist for sure, right,
Speaker 2: But I don't maybe fully understand that other part, that
Speaker 2: is this person saying I love my brother no matter
Speaker 2: what because he went through the same horrible stuff that
Speaker 2: I went through.
Speaker 3: And I listen to that as well. And want to
Speaker 3: thank you anonymous for reaching out. We respect your anonymity,
Speaker 3: and please just know that you're helping people when you
Speaker 3: take a stand on this stuff.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, though, I mean, it does feel like
Speaker 4: that is an explanation, but it's certainly not a justification.
Speaker 4: You know, someone can have serious mental illness and issues,
Speaker 4: and if they choose to ignore them and not seek
Speaker 4: help or not take responsibility for their own actions and
Speaker 4: just keep blaming it on their abuse, then you're not
Speaker 4: breaking the cycle, and then you're just you're perpetrating it.
Speaker 4: You're perpetuating it rather so, you know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying we're all imperfect beings, you know, but I
Speaker 4: just do think after a time, there does come a
Speaker 4: point where you have to say, I can't continue doing this.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that though, because I think what you're doing
Speaker 3: there is making a tremendously important point against oversimplifying these things.
Speaker 3: They cannot be oversimplified. The human is a complex being.
Speaker 3: Every single one is pretty unique. And we're talking about
Speaker 3: intergenerational conspiracies of abuse, We're talking about the danger of normalization.
Speaker 3: We're talking about things that cannot have a broad brush applied.
Speaker 3: Because if you say that someone who was harmed at
Speaker 3: one point will inevitably harm someone else, then we're getting
Speaker 3: very close to a dangerously oversimplified argument. It would be
Speaker 3: the same as saying anybody who got in a car accident,
Speaker 3: anybody who got hit by another car is inevitably going
Speaker 3: to hit another car years down the road. That's simply
Speaker 3: not true. But it's as you said, it is so complex,
Speaker 3: and the main thing to remember is that if you
Speaker 3: have been victimized in some way, you are a survivor.
Speaker 3: It is not your fault and the fact that you
Speaker 3: are here this evening listening to the show. We are
Speaker 3: immensely grateful and we are profoundly proud of you.
Speaker 4: And just the last thing. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 4: can understand as well the complex nature of the abused
Speaker 4: in saying my brother, I love my brother. He is
Speaker 4: the product of his environment. Therefore he did this thing
Speaker 4: to me. Therefore I have to forgive him because he
Speaker 4: did not choose to be this way. It was forced
Speaker 4: upon him. And while I understand that thought process, I
Speaker 4: don't think it holds water when you disconnect yourself from
Speaker 4: the emotionality of it, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like, I just don't I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess that's a privileged position to not know, but
Speaker 2: that's the one I find myself in.
Speaker 4: And do you think it's a privileged position as well
Speaker 4: to be the abused and to be able to decide
Speaker 4: that that person should be forgiven? Like is it up
Speaker 4: to society or the courts or whatever to judge that
Speaker 4: person or is it up to the person who is abused?
Speaker 4: It's oh, it's a it's a mind.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: The specific things we were talking about in the show
Speaker 2: were instances where someone was abused and they attempted to
Speaker 2: press charges right, and in that discussion, we found that
Speaker 2: several times those charges got lessened, you know, when the
Speaker 2: community surrounded for support. We found that, you know, as
Speaker 2: we said, letters of support would be written by the
Speaker 2: person who was abused. So I don't know, man, I've
Speaker 2: even kind of lost my train of father.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, this is a very complex issue with
Speaker 4: so many questions, and we do appreciate everyone that wrote
Speaker 4: to us about especially folks that would come, you know,
Speaker 4: to us with personal experience, and we really appreciate the
Speaker 4: trust and honesty, and I think it's it's tremendously valuable
Speaker 4: to anyone else listening who's been in a similar situation.
Speaker 4: So we thank you with all of our hearts. And
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Speaker 2: And we've returned and we are jumping to the phone
Speaker 2: lines to have a little fog roll in on this
Speaker 2: almost still spooky season. Right. I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the things we're going with this week. This person is
Speaker 2: calling in, not with anything really specific, but they are
Speaker 2: commenting on some things we recently talked about on Strange
Speaker 2: News and they mentioned something that guys, I want to
Speaker 2: do just a little spur of the moment analysis of
Speaker 2: something that's mentioned. If that's okay, I've left some links
Speaker 2: in the h in our dock and we'll go through
Speaker 2: them together, if that's cool. So let's listen to this message.
Speaker 5: Roles and subject matter named that bank scandal. I too,
Speaker 5: have been caught up in more than one bank scandal.
Speaker 5: I think I got like twenty some dollars out of
Speaker 5: the Wells Fargo settlement they did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: I'm just now learning about the TD bank one. I
Speaker 5: remember I had to get a new bank account when
Speaker 5: I bought a house. And apparently, you know, fe mobile banks,
Speaker 5: you have to happen freaking margar location, which is fascinating
Speaker 5: because so many briction Martar locations are closing because we'll,
Speaker 5: you know, got to feed the shareholder comps somehow. I
Speaker 5: don't know. Are we surprised that marangue behavior governs everything
Speaker 5: and that range rules and acquisition ruined everything. That's what
Speaker 5: we got. Yeah, I'm throwing cast the cyber truck chemical
Speaker 5: factories now in Atlanta, Are you guys, all right, you
Speaker 5: need a gas mask. You have one. I hope you
Speaker 5: have one. I travel with one in the back of
Speaker 5: my car.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 5: You know, apparently the only person you can us with
Speaker 5: your safety is yourself. It doesn't matter they call themselves
Speaker 5: for how much says claims to make. As far as
Speaker 5: money goes, none of them will ever see any form
Speaker 5: of justice for the horrible decisions they make that may
Speaker 5: or may not kill hundreds of people or cause cancer
Speaker 5: for hundreds of people. I don't remember the Rangy taking
Speaker 5: over the planet, but man for range rules of Acquisition
Speaker 5: definitely governing this planet. How do you guys feel about that?
Speaker 5: Or is it just like everybody else? I'm a single
Speaker 5: tear job in the ocean. What am I going to
Speaker 5: do anyway? J justin, I love the show. Thank you
Speaker 5: for what you do. And as we are not together,
Speaker 5: ghost cheers. I propose by Charlie.
Speaker 2: There we go from the Viking himself. So Viking makes
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting points there, shouting out several things.
Speaker 2: We can tackle them in any order. Eventually, I want
Speaker 2: to get to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition with you
Speaker 2: guys and go, oh good good, We're gonna go through
Speaker 2: them a little bit, I think, and name off some
Speaker 2: of the rules. I've shared a link to those. But first,
Speaker 2: what was that Ben? You said something about a gas mask.
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about being prepared for things in
Speaker 2: the past, right, We've talked about go bags, things to
Speaker 2: carry in your car. We've talked about things to protect
Speaker 2: yourself when, as Viking said, really you have to rely
Speaker 2: on yourself when it comes to protecting yourself and anyone
Speaker 2: else who's let's say, rolling with you in a vehicle
Speaker 2: or staying with you in your home, just anything you
Speaker 2: want to state. On gas masks in particular, it's.
Speaker 3: Good to have one, it's good to have two. They're
Speaker 3: also more affordable than we might assume.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, okay, and we've talked about that before. If
Speaker 2: anyone is interested in something like that, it's like the
Speaker 2: stores that will sell military surplus often.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can find them in your local military surplus store.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind, not all gas masks are created equal.
Speaker 3: Get a new one, don't get a deal on a
Speaker 3: used one. Look, if you could get a deal on
Speaker 3: a used one, I'd be all about it, but it's
Speaker 3: not going to be a good deal, which will probably
Speaker 3: come up in a Farrangi quote later quotation, but please
Speaker 3: check the ratings and really consider what you want it for,
Speaker 3: because just like a water filter, not all of these
Speaker 3: gas masks are filtering the same things.
Speaker 2: Excellent point, excellent, excellent point. All right, So, guys, I
Speaker 2: thought this would be kind of fun. I remember the
Speaker 2: Farrangi as an interesting alien species that were just very
Speaker 2: good at, i don't know, getting their way. Often there
Speaker 2: appears to be all kinds of discussion about this specific
Speaker 2: Star Trek alien species.
Speaker 4: As a bit of a racist trope, right like, potentially
Speaker 4: depending on your perspective of what country you come from.
Speaker 4: I think it's been accused of being a stand in
Speaker 4: for different races that are seen as adversarial perhaps or
Speaker 4: like you know, known for being like meticulously capitalist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I guess how I recollect it. From watching
Speaker 2: Deep Space nine as a child, it looks like there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of discussion after I, you know, the
Speaker 2: Frankie kind of left my world and I just kind
Speaker 2: of remembered them. So I'm not really sure here if
Speaker 2: we are just making, you know, a reference to Star Trek,
Speaker 2: or we are just talking about capitalism or what. But
Speaker 2: I thought as a fun thing, we could go through
Speaker 2: the stuff that Viking mentioned. They're the Ferangi rules of Acquisition,
Speaker 2: just to see if it feels like it's our world
Speaker 2: and not a Star Trek universe. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Absolutely so, if you guys don't mind pulling up the link,
Speaker 2: we'll just go through the It's the one from the
Speaker 2: Saint Minutia website on in our dock there. It's the Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's st it's Star Trek Minutia. It's a great website.
Speaker 2: St Dashmnusia dot com, and it has the entirety of
Speaker 2: the canon rules of acquisition here.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna go through all five hundred of these though,
Speaker 4: are no.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be fun to just like randomly
Speaker 2: say yeah, so the format I imagined guys would be
Speaker 2: like this. Rule one, once you have their money, never
Speaker 2: give it back. I don't know that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 4: Rule three, never pay more for an acquisition than you
Speaker 4: have to.
Speaker 3: I mean that's just good business, right right right?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Going off this list, which is I think roughly canonical,
Speaker 3: you'll notice, as student listeners at skips number two, there
Speaker 3: are two competing Number two's so we'll just go to
Speaker 3: number six, skipping four and five. Never family to stand
Speaker 3: in the way of opportunity.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, got to put profits or family for sure.
Speaker 2: Although the reason why it does this, guys, is because
Speaker 2: in the show, like somebody will state that that's rule
Speaker 2: number X or whatever you know, of the rules of acquisition.
Speaker 4: And this this list, this list cites the episodes they
Speaker 4: come from as well. Yeah, and which series.
Speaker 2: So theoretically nobody ever said what rule four was.
Speaker 3: And you can go to like other articles where they
Speaker 3: cite more things. And that's because some of these things
Speaker 3: get referenced in novels as well as the TV show.
Speaker 4: Guys, having not seen any of these episodes, how do
Speaker 4: they put it? They go rule number one of the
Speaker 4: the Ferengi rule of the acquisition, and then they say.
Speaker 3: This is it something along those lines, because in the
Speaker 3: books you also see you also see it mentioned as
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like when people are following a
Speaker 3: religion and they rationalize what they're doing by citing scripture. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's why would occur organically we would say, mmmm,
Speaker 3: at least that's my take.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. I like rule sixteen. A deal is
Speaker 2: a deal until a better one comes along.
Speaker 4: Rule ten greed is eternal. How is that a rule?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that Isn't that just seems like an observation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I do have Rule seven though, because
Speaker 4: as I mentioned that, I believe the design of these characters,
Speaker 4: they do have quite massive ears, and this rule is
Speaker 4: keep your ears open, which I think maybe was a
Speaker 4: little bit of a joke. I don't know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Hmm, okay. Rule number forty. She can touch your lobes,
Speaker 2: but never your latinum. It is a latinum latins your
Speaker 2: lobes sounds dirty. Latinum is fascinating. It's this fictational, like
Speaker 2: almost mercury looking, liquid metal thing that is worth just
Speaker 2: so many credits, and it's highly highly coveted. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: It looks really cool. You can see it displayed in
Speaker 2: like a glass sometimes.
Speaker 3: Number one twelve, never have sex with the boss's sister,
Speaker 3: follow by number one thirteen, always have sex with the boss.
Speaker 2: Hey, there you go. It sounds like a cult to me. Well, anyway,
Speaker 2: there's a whole list here. I don't even know how
Speaker 2: many there are, guys, because again, they don't go by
Speaker 2: the numbers. They are just you know, a lot, but
Speaker 2: you know they're amazing. More is good, all is better.
Speaker 2: That's rule number two forty two. Boom.
Speaker 3: How many new rules are there, matt I.
Speaker 2: I'm at least down to rule two eighty nine that
Speaker 2: I have seen, So that's a lot. Hopefully there's a book.
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's a rule Fengi acquisition book like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, there has to be.
Speaker 4: There has to be.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't free a fish from water.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's rule two seventeen. Oh, this is the one. Guys.
Speaker 2: Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't
Speaker 2: hesitate to step on them. That's from rule to eleven.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah. And so maybe the argument is that this
Speaker 3: is a hyper capitalistic sci fi depiction of things that
Speaker 3: are followed in capitalism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So just the imagined
Speaker 2: ideas of capitalism run amok to the point where that
Speaker 2: is the only thing that is important, right, Profits over
Speaker 2: any creature, over health, over any family, and literally anything.
Speaker 2: Profits are the one thing that you chase, and that's it.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've talked before in this show about
Speaker 2: how we're in a system that is kind of set
Speaker 2: up that way with open markets, right, publicly traded markets.
Speaker 2: The way it functions, it's just kind of what it does.
Speaker 2: That's what it was designed for, and it does. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it makes me uncomfortable. I'm sure it makes
Speaker 2: a lot of people uncomfortable, including our color Viking.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: I guess the important thing maybe here is to when
Speaker 2: you're thinking of this and the negativity of it, is
Speaker 2: to point it the system if you're going to be
Speaker 2: and if you're feeling negative about it, because it is
Speaker 2: the system itself, and it was designed to do exactly
Speaker 2: what it's doing, and that is kind of the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that causes me a lot of anxiety
Speaker 2: when I think about what happened with that chemical plant.
Speaker 2: As Viking said, what happened with you know, these banks
Speaker 2: that just decided we're going to allow drug profiteers to
Speaker 2: launder their money however long and however much they want.
Speaker 3: I mean, all of those things are kind of true.
Speaker 3: Right We're we're not too far away from Conyers, where
Speaker 3: it appears that although this huge chemical league did not
Speaker 3: kill a bunch of people, yet, it appears that they
Speaker 3: were able to get away with cutting corners at the
Speaker 3: very least. Would we agree with that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure, guys. Rule number one
Speaker 2: seventy seven is know your enemies, but do business with
Speaker 2: them all always right here, all trust nothing. That's rule
Speaker 2: one ninety amazing.
Speaker 4: Another ear joke.
Speaker 2: There goes another ear joke. Sleep can interfere with your
Speaker 2: lust for latinum.
Speaker 4: That's the expensive currency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't sleep, it's gonna interfere.
Speaker 3: There are there are things too that come from these
Speaker 3: weird like I'm looking through different sources of this, and
Speaker 3: the the listed things often you know, jump around. For instance,
Speaker 3: there is no rule two ninety five that we can find.
Speaker 3: But the very last rule I see is four thirty one,
Speaker 3: uh and two ninety nine. Two ninety nine from Star
Speaker 3: Trek Voyager is whenever you exploit someone, it never hurts
Speaker 3: to thank them. That way, it's easier to exploit them
Speaker 3: the next time. It sounds yeah, and then four thirty one,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it sounds pretty missions specific. When the
Speaker 3: shooting starts, let the mercenaries handle it.
Speaker 2: That's smart, that's just smart thinking.
Speaker 3: I guess, good business for the merks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
Speaker 2: Rule number two fifty five A wife is a luxury.
Speaker 2: A smart accountant is a necessity.
Speaker 3: And not all of this age as well, is one
Speaker 3: of the females and finance don't mix.
Speaker 2: Ooh, there you go. The world has been a lot
Speaker 2: of different things a lot of the time, and we learn.
Speaker 4: As we go.
Speaker 2: All right, so that's it for this piece of listener mail.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with one more message from you.
Speaker 3: And we've returned. We'll keep this short with just a
Speaker 3: few letters from home because as we're recording, it is
Speaker 3: almost Halloween here, so we have octivigation on the way.
Speaker 3: We'll give a brief shout out to our Facebook book group.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. As we mentioned in the past,
Speaker 3: we often ask our fellow listeners to give us one
Speaker 3: host name or a joke when you sign up for
Speaker 3: the Facebook page. And I thought it'd be fun just
Speaker 3: to share two of those really quickly. Here's one from Jeremy.
Speaker 3: Jeremy says Ben Matt Nole. I wanted to do something cute,
Speaker 3: but I just want to get here. While I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about it, I found the show by a subject search
Speaker 3: on Anunaki. I think let's pause there. Do we remember
Speaker 3: the Anu Naki? Weren't they like the fallen angels.
Speaker 2: I always get Nefhlim and Annaki weirdly intertwined. I always
Speaker 2: thought Nephelim were the combination of whatever the Anunaki were
Speaker 2: and humans.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait, wait, Ananaki or the ancient Sumerian deities right?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, man, I don't know. I have to look
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 3: Religious syncrets strikes again, and so Annaki inspired Jeremy to
Speaker 3: reach out to us, and Jeremy says, since then, I
Speaker 3: went back to the start and I've been listening in
Speaker 3: order for about a yearish. I just started the first
Speaker 3: episode of twenty nineteen. I love knowing now what we
Speaker 3: didn't know back then, and I'm just waiting for it
Speaker 3: to come back up in a future episode. Love you guys.
Speaker 3: Oh and I'm starting Ridiculous History today.
Speaker 4: Ah sweet.
Speaker 3: So thank you for that letter from home, Jeremy. We
Speaker 3: hope you enjoy it. We also we also have a
Speaker 3: bit of a time capsule experience ourselves when we look
Speaker 3: back at classic episodes that we're republishing, like our Vaccines
Speaker 3: Fact and Fiction episode. Did you guys listen back to that?
Speaker 4: Nope, it's a ride.
Speaker 3: It's definitely pre pandemic.
Speaker 2: It was well, yeah, we talked about it. It was
Speaker 2: mostly about anti vaccine movements when it came to like
Speaker 2: people who were all in on the belief that maybe
Speaker 2: there was a connection to the autism spectrum, like with vaccinations,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of the vaccination from the past,
Speaker 2: But that's pre that's well pre code nineteen stuff, right, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can tell we weren't sure what was coming,
Speaker 3: but just like in our previous Superbug episode, we noted
Speaker 3: the statistical inevitability of this. We also want to give
Speaker 3: a big shout out to Taylor, who joined us on
Speaker 3: Facebook by saying, you guys are my favorite homies who
Speaker 3: don't know they're my homies. Do you guys have homies
Speaker 3: that don't know their homies?
Speaker 2: I mean there are a lot of podcasters that have
Speaker 2: no idea that I feel like they're my best friends.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I identify with that a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're right there with you, Taylor. Also, while we're
Speaker 3: just keeping this for light letters from home, galle heavy
Speaker 3: there for a moment, I thought I was talking with
Speaker 3: our Tennessee pal Dylan Fagan off air, and this is
Speaker 3: just a fun Halloween conversation sort of off the rip
Speaker 3: you guys went trick or treating as children, right.
Speaker 2: I'm going trick or treating tomorrow as we record.
Speaker 4: This has broken the illusion.
Speaker 3: Sorry, So what is the weirdest thing you guys got
Speaker 3: when you were trick or treating?
Speaker 4: You know you asked this earlier and I nothing comes
Speaker 4: to mind. I'm thinking of, like don't some people give
Speaker 4: out like fruit or something. I don't know, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: nothing really major. I don't know. Maybe you guys, You
Speaker 4: guys experience is different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was a kid, there are a couple
Speaker 2: of houses when I was little. Wow, I can't believe
Speaker 2: I remember this. There are a couple of houses that
Speaker 2: would give away home baked goods as like the.
Speaker 4: Thing that's nice I would fly today. It is just
Speaker 4: people are freaked out about that kind of I thought
Speaker 4: it was a treat.
Speaker 2: I remember specifically lemon bars, like like that's why I
Speaker 2: love lemon bar today.
Speaker 3: I think with a little crumbly stuff on top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like in plastic wrap, just you know, just
Speaker 2: wrapped it up and put it in there.
Speaker 4: And I was like, have you guys seen all the
Speaker 4: memes or it's like make sure to check your Halloween candy.
Speaker 4: I found the entire Urukai Army inside this Snickers barn,
Speaker 4: you know, and and various things of that.
Speaker 3: Nation really got Trojan Horst.
Speaker 2: What's the uk Army?
Speaker 4: What's that? You know? From the Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4: They're the real batties, the bad Orcs, the Omega, the
Speaker 4: Mega Orcs.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we didn't real pop culture.
Speaker 4: But in the image for the meme, it's it's a
Speaker 4: cross section of a Snickers with a tiny shot of
Speaker 4: that scene where they're like amassing.
Speaker 3: And Dylan has a great story as forward. We may
Speaker 3: not share it on air. I'll give you one. For
Speaker 3: two years in a row, there was a very wealthy
Speaker 3: guy in the neighborhood who had big fun, uncle energy
Speaker 3: and quite a long driveway, and again two consecutive years,
Speaker 3: instead of candy, he was clearly having like an adult
Speaker 3: party during the Halloween evening and he would give us
Speaker 3: lottery tickets, one lottery ticket and one condom each. WHOA, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know if that go over well in certain communities.
Speaker 3: He didn't go over well at the time, to be honest.
Speaker 4: I just you know, a lottery ticket and it would
Speaker 4: be considered like a vice that tantamount to giving out
Speaker 4: cigarettes and liquor something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was probably that was probably another thing he
Speaker 3: would have done. But I want to thank I want
Speaker 3: to thank my mother for being so diplomatic. You could
Speaker 3: tell she was a teacher. She took one look at
Speaker 3: this prophylactic and then said, oh, that's candy for adults
Speaker 3: and took it away. And then my dad said.
Speaker 4: No, let him keep it. Was it a flavored propylactic?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I did not see it for long.
Speaker 3: Just mystify. Please please follow the rules of the road
Speaker 3: when you're giving kids candy and don't eat.
Speaker 4: I know they look delicious, but they're they're not good.
Speaker 2: There are forever chemicals in many of those propotactics.
Speaker 3: So yes, exactly. And with this we're going to end
Speaker 3: a little bit late with uh with some Halloween jokes
Speaker 3: from our pal Humorous Harry. Remember we forget Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: in a menace he is. He is one of our
Speaker 3: favorite menaceesn menci uh. So Humorous Harry says, oh God,
Speaker 3: these are bad. How can you keep that part in?
Speaker 3: How can you tell that Frankenstein's monster is in love?
Speaker 4: Hold on something about his neck bolts?
Speaker 3: I don't know close he falls to pieces? Does he know?
Speaker 2: I guess he's made of pieces?
Speaker 4: He does, though in the cannon of Frank is sign
Speaker 4: he usually doesn't like fall apart though, like humpty dumpty.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, because he's sewn together. So yeah, here's one.
Speaker 3: Here's one that I bet we can guess. What do
Speaker 3: you call a wolf that is lost?
Speaker 4: A lone wolf? You got it? What is it?
Speaker 3: You got it?
Speaker 2: You always say it? Where wolf?
Speaker 4: It's like the witch? Witch is you know what I mean? Whitch?
Speaker 3: What is an apparition's favorite food?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Hold on, Oh you got this?
Speaker 4: No I don't.
Speaker 3: It's something for people who like things spicy.
Speaker 2: Oh, there could be this is several. It could be
Speaker 2: a reaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done, Well done, you guys. You guys both
Speaker 3: got one.
Speaker 4: It was a pretty good clue though. Man, well I
Speaker 4: didn't get all the way there.
Speaker 3: Thank you. No, no, you got there. Why are vampires
Speaker 3: so good at baseball? Because they bring their own bats? Dylan,
Speaker 3: I hope you're putting some weird rim shots. And after
Speaker 3: each of these we are going to call it an evening.
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Speaker 4: That's right, The mist is different. The fog is pretty schlocky,
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Speaker 2: Well I need to check that out. I haven't seen
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